Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 02:00:04 -0400 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 7 Aug 1997 to 8 Aug 1997 There are 29 messages totalling 1043 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Assorted stuff 2. Flutter Girl (4) 3. Soundgarden Won't U Come & Wash Away the Rain..We've Fallen On Black Days 4. Dreaming from my music hometown... 5. Sculpture/Kim/My Room (2) 6. where did you come from? (3) 7. Nothing to say on encarta 8. Those were the bad ol days! (3) 9. Chris a dork? 10. two, two, two posts in one! (2) 11. Where is the webring? 12. SOMMS SHIRTS....... 13. Bad fuckin trades!!!!! I need help, what do we do when another sommster fucks you on a trade and never sends out what he/she tells you they will, even after they have received your tapes, yes tapes not tape. Help Glenn, the guy from the SG tribute band SUPERUNKNOWN 14. Lyrical opposites & contradictions (2) 15. Skye Thomsen 16. a room a thousand years 17. give me a little piece of your heart... 18. OUr little logo thingie 19. How Long Will It Last?... To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:24:10 -0500 From: Richard E Horner Subject: Assorted stuff Has anyone ever made a Soundgarden related level or patch for Doom, Quake, Duke Nukem or any other game? I always wanted to replace the picture of the little dudes face in Doom2 with Kim's face making all kinds of wierd expressions. Where was I? I was sitting right here at my comp probably playing some crappy game when Larry (Like Suicide) called me and said, "Hey Rich I was at Seth's site and there is this whole thing that SG is dead" I was one the less moved saying, "that sucks" I just told myself that it was better that they broke up than continuing on and releasing shit just to make money. I wasn't broken or anything because bands come and go. Its called show business not show (insert appropriate word here). Where did I come from? If you hadn't guessed I'm from a metal background although I like Alternative bands that can play like AIC and Tool. No I have not had an SG dream. Rich "Killing for religion...somethin I don't understand" Soundgarden, Metallica, and Megadeth, Injustice for All http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/4984 .' `. .'/ __ ___ ______ _ _ _ __ \`. .'/ \/ || _||_ _/ /|| | | | | | / \ | `\. ' / /\/| || |_ | | / || | | | | |/ /\_\| |\\` / / | || _| | | /_||| | | | | || _ | _ \ / / | || |_ | | / || |_ | |_ | |\ \/ /| | \ \ / / | ||___| |_|/_/|_||___||___||_| \__/ | | \ \ / / |/ \| \ \ /.' `.\ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 02:38:37 -0400 From: "Carol C." Subject: Flutter Girl Where does this song appear? Plz help! Thanks if you do, Carol rewind, play, rewind, play, rewind, play ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 02:09:55 -0700 From: Tiffany Saint Subject: Re: Soundgarden Won't U Come & Wash Away the Rain..We've Fallen On Black Days On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Maria Joseph wrote: > 1) So, what was everyone doing when they heard the news of Soundgarden > breaking up :( I was at work. > 2) Where did they hear it from? I heard it from the radio announcers (djs). > 3) What was your first reaction (or action) once you heard the news? I thought it was a mean spirited joke. > 4) Did anyone do anything "special" or whatever to mourn our great lost? I mainly listened to more Soundgarden and felt depressed. Actually, I tried the denial thing first, then I felt bitter, then I felt resigned, then I felt depressed. But no, I didn't really do anything cool. Several friends called to express their sympathy. Tiffany /\/\^^/\/\ Vampyre Cat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:34:36 +1000 From: John Grieves Subject: Dreaming from my music hometown... >I'd like to know if you came to them >from an alt/indie/punk background, a metal background, or a pop/rock >commercial radio type background, and if it was love at first sound or >took repeated exposure to get you well and truly hooked. I first heard Soundgarden courtesy of my sister, but I was too young to realise what good music was at that stage. We're talking being into bands that I'm ashamed to admit to ever liking... [anyone heard of Bros? :>] Anyhow, my sister used to play her Loud Love EP. I couldn't believe she played the remixed Big Dumb Sex from the album - I was always scared my parents would come upstairs and get sooooo angry at her... It never happened. Before I knew it, she moved down south and I was left to start defining my own taste in music. I was graduating through "decent taste in music" college. Aerosmith changed me with Pump for the better in 1991. I never looked back. AC/DC, GnR, I started listening to stuff with more rhythm and soul than soppy love songs written for young teenage boys and girls... I then reached the heaviest group I'm proud to say I still love - Pantera. 1993 saw me loving Far Beyond Driven. All this was courtesy of friends and crappy AM radio station...and then I moved south to join my sister. I finally had a decent radio station to listen to (Australia's Triple J). Spoonman was being played soooo much, as was Black Hole Sun. The name Soundgarden sparked memories of the Loud Love EP my sister played. My first ever CD was Superunknown, which was to be played on my computer's CD-ROM drive. I still don't own a proper CD player for the house - only my CD-ROM drive and a Discman. Soundgarden didn't quite manage to steal number one spot as my favourite band from Faith No More in 1994, but darn they came close. I slowly collected the Soundgarden back catalogue and the rest is water under the bridge. I now have a taste for music I'm truly proud of, and thank heavens SG is part of it... So, was Soundgarden love at first sound? I guess by default I'd have to say no - but I didn't understand what my sister was playing all those years back. Superunknown was a way different experience - I went from liking two tracks to loving an album. No album had ever grabbed quite as Superunknown did... But what is my musical background? I've given you the more popular stuff, but I managed to omit something. I was a classically trained pianist. I'd like to think my tastes were and still are pretty broad. A lot of pop sucks (and I'm not talking about pure feeling wise - I'll give you music anthologies if you want them!), but my parents have a jazz collection I'd kill to have, let alone the classical CDs, cassettes and vinyl that my mother and I cherish. A long stint in a band through the latter part of high school gave me an inkling of what it might be like to be a rock star. I'm learning guitar, have played drums (geez, I'd be rusty now) and my main instrument is currently a KORG M1 synthesiser, complete with eight track sequencer (damn, I need a sampler!). It's through all these experiences combined that I can appreciate the wide range of music currently called my collection. Dreaming of Soundgarden? Nah, even if I did, I wouldn't remember it...such is my relationship with dreams. I must say it has happened that I've been asleep through the middle of the night and I've left the radio beside my bed on all night. One night it happened that Black Hole Sun started, and I awoke, sitting bolt upright in my bed. Hell, I can't even do that in the mornings!! :> To make things even better, my favourite ever song (not SG) was played straight after. I then went straight back to sleep...go figure! >> 1) So, what was everyone doing when they heard the news of Soundgarden >> breaking up :( I'd like to say something original, but nope, I heard it through the list. Just reading my mail... >> 3) What was your first reaction (or action) once you heard the news? I first thought "What are these people up to on the list?" When I logged on, there were two breakup messages. I wasn't going to believe anything until it was a little more substantiated than a couple of people hearing it on the radio...but it did get me thinking about what it would mean for SG to have broken up. Time passed and it obviously was official. By that time, I didn't feel any strong emotions. I was glad that Soundgarden had broken up by mutual decision rather than flogging a dead horse for eternity. I was sad to think that there would be no more SG albums to collect, but that won't really sink in until a couple of years down the track when I start thinking "Dagnabit, I could go another SG album!". >> 4) Did anyone do anything "special" or whatever to mourn our great lost? Not really. Because I had reconciled the loss, it was life as per usual. I was happy to cherish what SG had given us rather than mourn for the loss of future offerings... If you've managed to read through all this, can I have a slice of your attention span? Sorry for it being so long, folks... Take care, y'all. Jackhammer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 02:38:37 -0700 From: Tiffany Saint Subject: Sculpture/Kim/My Room 1. I'm going to Seattle tomorrow (Thursday) and I want to go take pictures of the Soundgarden sculpture. Could anyone who knows the name of the park or the street address send me private email? Thanks! 2. Someone wanted to know about people meeting members of SG. I met Kim and he was very nice and quite talkative. I actually ran up to him behind the venue, and a security guy yelled at me to get back over on the sidewalk. Kim decided to follow me over there instead of following Ben and Matt onto the bus. It was late, cold, dark, and rainy but he still took the time to talk to everyone that was waiting to see a glimpse of SG after the show. I already posted about this so I won't go on any more, except to say that meeting Kim was one of the high points of my life because he treated me like a fellow human being and not like a rabid "fan". 3. I just moved and there isn't much in my room. I did print the message from Matt Cameron, and it's tacked on the wall near my computer. Every time I start to get depressed, I read what he wrote to the list. It reaffirms my faith in humanity to read it. I won't bore you with the details of why it means so much to me; I'm sure most of you understand the impact. Tiffany /\/\^^/\/\ Vampyre Cat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:36:17 -0400 From: Deb Servey Subject: Re: where did you come from? RE: the where did I come to Sgarden from thread...pop/rock radio was what I grew up on, but it exposed me to a couple groups that still influence my ear. Don't laugh, but Journey and Toto have always had the cleanest productiuon sound and I still prefer that. Then came 1983 and YES re-emerged w/ the aid of a new guitarist, Trevor Rabin. We went to see them play here in Erie, and I just zeroed in on Trevor--that's another long story, but it's as tho no one else existed in the universe and by the 3rd song I was hooked. Over the years I've amassed a huge collection of Trevor's solo stuff, as he was in a huge group in his native South Africa and then did solo stuff in England. Again, that clean, clear sound plus he's a master songwriter, producer, etc. For a while my friend and I got deeply into the Canadian rock scene as well. Got out of that in time for Trev's US solo tour--you don't care but we've grown to be friends over the last 12 years. Somehow in there, my friend got into Pearl Jam and at the time you could not talk PJ w/out also talking Sgardenand she got into Sgarden pretty fast. I reluctantly watched some live POJ vid and got hooked on Stone, but I swore I'd never get into Sgarden. Ugh! To this day, some of their older stuff is just noise to me, and if that makes me a lesser fan, don't bother telling me! What hooked me on the band was seeing them live the first time. August 93 they and PJ opened for Neil Young and when Sgarden played, it was the new stuff that hooked me. That would have been what became Superunknown. That plus seeing Kimster in the flesh...oh, wow! So I started to listen more to the music, but could only "identify" w/ it as far back as BMF, and that's probably b/c they did Lolla on that album and we have alot of live vid from the era--PJ, Lolla, Sgarden. But to this day I still love the clean, clear production stuff, and my collection is very eclectic! From gregorian chant to techno to grunge to new wave to pop! Let's face it, we all come from very diverse backgrounds....what matters here is the common interest in Sgarden! thanks for listening! deb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:25:30 +1000 From: Knee High Ug Boots Subject: Nothing to say on encarta Hi, Just wanted to say, that I just got encarta 97 and nothing to say(well part of it) is on it. Very cool. Nicky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:12:35 -0500 From: tonerkin Subject: Those were the bad ol days! I have read the posts regarding the thread of "where were you" when you heard the band broke up with a heavy heart. This morning I went back into the mailbox that I closed the door on back in April called "Break-up" I saved all the post from those black days in April. I don't know why...I guess to torture myself someday and reread them. Well, I did that this morning and it made me very sad BUTT it also made me rediscover once more how much we all helped each other through it. The list and it's members were here when all of us at one time or another needed a shoulder to cry on or rage that needed a vent. I was sleeping when the announcement broke. I had worked nights and gotten up in the middle of the day to see my answering machine light blinking. There was a message from Anna, a Chicago Sommster. Even though Anna and I had never met I could tell by her voice that something was wrong as she asked me if I had seen my e-mail! "Call me", she said and gave me a number. I got my e-mail in and as 30 some messages downloaded I knew whatever it was ,it wasn't good!! And than I scanned the titles and knew it was the end! I read a few and immediately dialed the number that Anna had left. We talked and I even laughed, I think I was in shock at this point and it helped to talk to someone who felt the same way I did. I hope I helped her because she certainly helped me. I didn't cry for several days but driving to work one afternoon listening to my daily dose of SG....I just lost it and I shed a river of tears for the band I loved so much that was to be no more!! toni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:08:29 -0500 From: Kathie and David Subject: Chris a dork? Kelly wrote: I met most of the band at lola '92(matt,kim,chris) and Id have to say there all pretty nice guys for the most part, but chris is a MAJOR dork, (sorry ladies!) "Sorry ladies"??? You must realize that some of us have met him too. I don't know what you consider *cool* in a man, but obviously your standards are very different from mine. I found Chris enchanting. He has the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen, and just looking into them you can see his sincerity and depth. And he's really a nice person (maybe that turns you off?). After meeting Chris I felt even more strongly than I had before that I would really like knowing him better (it actually depressed me a little, since there's no chance of that). I think Vikki was right. Maybe he just didn't feel like *entertaining* you. Kathie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:08:51 -0400 From: Jentje Subject: Re: Flutter Girl This song is on my tape of Supermainstream. I think it was a demo for the album SuperUnknown. ~>Jentje "My hands are rough My fingers cold..." At 02:38 AM 8/7/97 -0400, you wrote: >Where does this song appear? > >Plz help! > >Thanks if you do, > >Carol > >rewind, play, rewind, play, rewind, play > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:34:42 -0400 From: Dan Carbo Subject: Re: where did you come from? >Someone started a thread not so long ago asking how we got into SG. I'm >curious to know from what musical direction people came to them. I know >many of us have quite eclectic tastes, but I think most of us recognize >that we have a certain "bent". I'd like to know if you came to them >from an alt/indie/punk background, a metal background, or a pop/rock >commercial radio type background, and if it was love at first sound or >took repeated exposure to get you well and truly hooked. Soundgarden >had a wonderful way of melding all these influences into something >appealing to people of all these taste preferences. It's one thing that >made them special. I guess I have to say I came to them from a more heavy metal/rock backround. Yet I am no metal head because I like all types of music. James Taylor, Phish, and others that I like are as far away from metal as you can get. I never liked one particular sound until I heard SG. I liked SG when I first heard them, but it took a while for them to really grow on me. SG has this gift that the more you hear a song the more you like it. The more I listened the more I loved SG. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:37:17 -0400 From: "Carol C." Subject: Re: Flutter Girl I have this boot, but what album, import, etc did it originally appear? My copy is kinda bad. Carol so flutter home cuz your better off alone than with me... In a message dated 97-08-07 04:20:15 EDT, you write: << Subj: Re: Flutter Girl Date: 97-08-07 04:20:15 EDT From: beavis@io.com (Eric B. Gardner) To: DustyGrrl@AOL.COM (Carol C.) On the Stolen Prayers boot...and maybe the Supermainstream boot as well (maybe others, too...I don't know for sure) Eric >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:13:19 -0400 From: eliza Subject: Re: Flutter Girl Flutter Girl is not on Supermainstream...it is on Stolen Prayers..and that is the only place you can find it (that I know of) which is too bad cuz it is one of my top 5 favorite SG songs.. At 11:08 AM 8/7/97 -0400, you wrote: > This song is on my tape of Supermainstream. I think it was a demo for >the album SuperUnknown. > ****************************************** I'm more afraid of living than I am scared to die I'm more afraid of falling than I am of flying high I am more afraid of loving than I am of being scorned but I will keep on trying though I have been forewarned. --Ben Harper ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:32:51 -0400 From: Rachel Potter Subject: two, two, two posts in one! So, what was everyone doing when they heard the news of Soundgarden breaking up :( 2) Where did they hear it from? 3) What was your first reaction (or action) once you heard the news? 4) Did anyone do anything "special" or whatever to mourn our great lost? here it is: 1)&2)well i thought i heard it from MTV news one night sitting on my couch... but then they started talking about envoge so i changed the channel, and the next day at school people were comeing up to me all day to tell me. 3) i got a really sick feeling in my stomach... and i just sat down and i don't think i talked to much the rest of the school day 4)my math teacher excused me from doing my homework the rest of the week (he was also a sg fan) and my friend (a major pearl jam lover who insists that pj is better then sg) made fun of me and i prayed to god that pj would break up too... instead mike mccready broke his coller bone :( now i'm sad again! Rachel P.S. I'm 16 too!!! P.P.S. I know this is a little immature... but MY DOG JUST FARTED!!!!!!!!! It was really funny!.... cause i've been sick and pukeing all day long and no one's home to talk to and my dogs have been following me around and one of them just FARTED!!! HA HA HA!!! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Second post: soundgarden members i'd wanna talk to in order... and why: 1. Chris-i'm obsessed what can i say 2. Kim-he seems funny (like in motorvision when he talks about goofus and gallent... and eatting the dog's coller or whatever) 3. Ben-we could talk about people we hate 4. Matt-he's only last cause he seems shy P.S.I don't like savage garden cause of their name... i mean how close to soundgarden can you get!!!!?!?!?!!! I'm still pukeing my brains out! -Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:54:34 -0400 From: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Sculpture/Kim/My Room how would i go about reading the post that matt sent to somms??? is it in the archive? how do i get to it?? mike. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:55:44 -0500 From: NIKI FREER Subject: Re: Those were the bad ol days! Toni wrote: > This morning I went back into the mailbox that I closed >the door on back in April called "Break-up" I saved all >the post from those black days in April. I don't know why...I >guess to torture myself someday and reread them. last night while i was at a friends house with some huge number of other people, it was finally my turn on the computer. so i got on and went right to seth's sight. not that i hadn't been through everything a million times, but i went there just cause. and i went to the mailing list part, so see what had been archived so far, to see if it had been updated yet. and i just sat staring at it, so i clicked on "apr" and then on April 8, to see what we were so unknowingly talking about the "day before." it was very saddenning to see how almost carefree our posts were that day. things about kim's solos, things about songs, things about assorted little stuff. just normal somms posts. then i read the 1st April 9th one, with not one mention of the disbandment at all, which was really sad to me for some reason. so i went to the 2nd April 9th, and it started with that big letter from seth about how he was sending out multiple digests due to the announcement. then i scrolled down and looked at all the subject titles from the letters i had read that broke the news to me. it was like a shock, like it didn't really happen. it's been so long now, it's august already, and it seems so strange. I know I'm kinda babbling on incessantly here, but it was such a heart wrenching feeling to go back and just *look* at the subject titles. i couldn't even read the posts themselves. the very first one said "tell me this is not true..." or something along those lines. nothing else. it really ripped my heart out. so i had to stop. i had to get away from those memories, so i got off and didn't think about it the rest of the night. and it struck me as interesting that it made you do that too, toni. = ) *deep sigh* mind riot ____ i was slipping through the cracks of a stolen jewel... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOUNDGARDEN 1984-1997 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:01:10 -0700 From: Bonnie Subject: Re: Those were the bad ol days! Toni wrote: >This morning I went back into > the mailbox that I closed the door on back in April called "Break-up" I > saved all the post from those black days in April. I don't know why...I > guess to torture myself someday and reread them. Ahh, you and me both, my friend! I saved them all as well. I tend to do that with things I think are monumental in my life, but I'm also a saver at heart anyway. I like to be able to go back in time and trip-out on how it was. I don't have a photographic memory like some folks, so my mementos help me out in that respect, along with pictures, and whatever I deem worthy of saving. It's like keeping journals too. When I read them now, some of it can be funny and sad, but I also see that I wasn't as much of a dumb-shit as I thought I was, at times. My life has been strange, but I see that I still had logic, intelligence and, when needed, the calm sense of mind to get through it all fairly intact. Somewhere the resilience of youth turned into tenacity. Whatever, I'm usually not a quitter and try to remain ever the optimist. Anyway, just as Toni said, it brings back the sadness, but also shows the good that was working even when maybe we couldn't' see if for ourselves at the time. I sure did know that I needed the list and you people more than ever during that time. It was very difficult for me. When I found out SG broke up, I was at work. It was in the morning, nearing lunch time I think. I always had the radio on at work and that day I barely caught the words "broke up." Of course, for an instant I thought, "Who? SG? No way!" I hadn't heard who it was. But it's like, maybe I did hear it and then tried to deny it, because until I heard more a few minutes later, I had this uneasy feeling, like I already knew. Then I had a phone message from Thugs, and his line was busy, then an e-mail from Caryn to the list saying something like, it can't be and I had already passed panic at that moment. And then from there on out, it was like the water through a newly opened dam. Everything came flooding in: e-mails, phone calls, really awful sinking feelings. And all this at work. Everything always seemed to happen at work. I wanted to leave, I couldn't do my work, for God's sake! I called my friend Bill in Salt Lake City, I couldn't get hold of others and needed to talk. Funny thing, Lance was on the other line with Bill at the time I called. We were both reaching out to the same person. But I needed to be around or talk to people who understood how I felt, and didn't ridicule that feeling. At least I had my somms buddies through mail and phone. The Seattle gang had a couple "let's just be together" things. Nothing super special, but being in the company of one another at time when we (they, since I never made it to either one) needed it and each other the very most. At that time, things for me (in my "other" life, perusal life, apart from somms) were iffy, at best. Then add the break-up on top (which alone would have been enough to make me physically ill and all the other shit...), well, I was not really in good shape at all emotionally speaking. Plus I never made it to hang with my friends and mourn the loss of SG. All I wanted to do was talk about and listen to SG, but it didn't happen. I drank beer, but never got drunk. So instead, what happened to me was it lingered much longer, festered. I didn't get my big outburst done, so it seeped through me and since I was already vulnerable, waited to attack. I think I only had one significant outburst or moment, because it affected me for quite a while. Just had to keep it all in and think, instead of vent. But I did vent one day, the day I should have been in Seattle at the OK with my friends, commiserating the loss. My tires were shot, I didn't feel safe driving, it was rainy, nothing seemed right, and I wigged a bit. Kind of went off on something small that normally wouldn't have done it, but as it does when this goes on bottled up, it ALL came rushing out and it was Bonnie's day. I had talked to Jen and Andrea on the phone and was super depressed after that, knowing I'd be alone when they'd all be together. So, that was my big deal. Something close to a nervous breakdown?? I don't know, but I never stopped listening to SG. Instead, it's all I listened to, and loud in my car. Yes, I played them loud and looked at people on the street to see if they recognized the music and knew they'd broken up and all that. Also, I think that everyone who knows me, and knows of my love for SG, all thought of me the moment they heard (if they did). Anyway, that is neat. And some of these folks may have teased me in the past, but at least comprehended how it would impact me. I mean days and weeks later, if I hadn't seem them for that long, they still mentioned it and asked how I did and said the first thing they thought of was me and how I was handling it. Okay, even months, since I hadn't seen my brother for a long time, he still mentioned it. God, sorry for going on. Once again, got me started, got me thinking and got me reliving those moments....I get lost back in time, really.... Bonnie (toni, can i take you up on that offer? i had to dump all my files at work and everything i saved is gone. some of it forever, ouch.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:01:36 +0000 From: "John D." Subject: Where is the webring? I'm kind of behind here but, where is the Soundgarden webring? I was also wondering if it was ok for me to put a link for this on my site.Kind of a dumb question... Anywho, thanks. -John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:42:23 -0400 From: Dena White Subject: SOMMS SHIRTS....... Hey Gang!! I just wanted to post that all the shirts have been reserved. IF you have Emailed me and asked to reserve a shirt for you...PLEASE make sure that you send the money for it. I will only hold the reserved shirts until Aug.22nd.( for Austrailia and New Zeland... your dates are Aug.30th ) IF I do not have your money by then I will assume that you dont want the shirt, and will then contact the people who I have let down by not having shirts. Im only trying to be fair here....I hope you understand. Thanks! Dena :)~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:03:53 -0400 From: glenn king <688120@ICAN.NET> Subject: Bad fuckin trades!!!!! I need help, what do we do when another sommster fucks you on a trade and never sends out what he/she tells you they will, even after they have received your tapes, yes tapes not tape. Help Glenn, the guy from the SG tribute band SUPERUNKNOWN Glenn (Superunknown) Tribute to Soundgarden ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:41:37 -0400 From: Scott Hammer Subject: Re: two, two, two posts in one! In a message dated 97-08-07 13:48:22 EDT, you write: << P.S.I don't like savage garden cause of their name... i mean how close to soundgarden can you get!!!!?!?!?!!! >> Niether do I. Every time (yes every time, no exageration here) I go into a record store (don't know why I just called em record stores...most don't have any) I go to the Soundgarden section to see if there's anything odd that I don't already have. I end up seeing a disk that says S************ Garden...the "avage" is ALWAYS covered up by a price sticker...and I get all excited thinking "Wow! Some Soundgarden stuff I don't have!". I pick it up and look at the side only to find out it's that Savage Garden crap and I get all pissed off. I guess I should've learned by now, but with my luck if I don't pick it up and look it would be something rare and unusual from the boyz. ~^v^OzzY^v^~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:13:55 -0400 From: Brian Coursen Subject: Lyrical opposites & contradictions Many of you have likely noticed something consistent in many of Chris's lyrics. Many songs and song titles contain words or have meanings that are either opposites or contradictary. The first time I notice this was in OUTSHINED "looking california and feeling minnesota". Chris has said in interviews that that line from OS was the first time he was really open about himself in his lyrics. But this is a very common theme in most of Chris's more 'open' songs. This is probably most aparent in SUPERUNKNOWN. If this isn't what you see / It doesn't make you blind If this doesn't make you feel / It doesn't mean you've died If you don't want to be seen / You don't have to hide If this doesn't make you free / It doesn't mean your tied If this doesn't take you down / It doesn't mean your high and so on.... This re-ocurrs often and I have a theory. Chris away from the stage, away from the music is a self admitted recluse. But on stage, in his music, he is very open. He is the first to admit this. He is a man full of internal contradictions and he displays this very evidently in his lyrics. Even the name Soundgarden is kind of contradictary. What could be make less sound than a garden? If you have notice this are notice other contradictions or opposites within Soundgarden please reply. I know of many little ones myself but if I wrote them all now it would ruin the fun. Don't you think? To get you started here are a few.... Whomsoever I've cured / I've sickened now Whomsoever I've cradled / I've put you down So what you wanted to see good / Has made you blind And what you wanted to be yours / Has made it mine She lived like a murder / But she died just like suicide Please reply! ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* IF THIS ISN'T MAKING SENSE IT DOESN'T MAKE IT LIES ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:14:58 -0500 From: Pyxis Subject: Skye Thomsen Here's the deal: remember that post a few months ago about a person who said he/she had a friend who had a CD burner and would burn us copies of two CDs that he/she owned for cost and postage? Well, a couple of us on the list (read: shills) went for it. Some of us even sent CDs to copy. Okay, okay, no sermons. We feel bad enough as it is. However, we now are looking for someone in the New Jersey area who wouldn't mind checking up on this person, and maybe even getting our CDs returned to us. Sure, we learned our lesson. But we're talking about some really well-loved music here. You can't fault us for trying. Any volunteers? We'd really appreciate it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:25:58 -0400 From: Lyndsay Smith Subject: Re: where did you come from? I guess I would have to say that I came from a number of different musical influences. I remember probably when I was in the 3rd grade my friend a nd I liked the songs "Under the Bridge" and "Cold November Rain" so then I wasn't really in to much rock or heavy metal(I was just in 3rd or 4th grade). I listened to mostly pop, I guess, music wasn't really that big in my life then so I don't have much of a memory of that then. When I was 12 or 13 I started listening to more of the alternative and rock. I swithced radio stations. I still wasn't big into one certain or a group of bands. I just liked the music. I listened to that and classical music which I still like a lot. I heard Black Hole SUn when I was at a school dance in 6th grade and I remember saying to myself "This is cool music" (or something like that). That's when I started liking music a whole lot more and got into SG. I was in to Live and the Toadies as well but they didn't strike a chord and the timing wasn't correct like SG was. Lyndsay I've been deaf now I want noise ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:24:00 -0400 From: Nadezhda Ball Subject: a room a thousand years responding to kelly, i guess the milk thing would be a good idea. i think kim's would ber i prefer orange juice, or something like that. responding to kelly part two: well my room is not wall to wall, but it's dooin good. i have a bunch of pics of chris on my wall, door rather. two of the same pic. one is off center and the contrast is too dark, cuz it looks cool dat way, and the other is what my friend and i like to call "fairy princess chris cornell" i was bored at my internship, we had access to the copying machine and some glitter stars in the drawer. i was gonna give him a gold aura, but my attention span was not that long. my friend put the stars in his hair and i put two blue ones in his eyes. from there he became a fairy princess. we found it quite amusing, but it looks really phat. anyway, i have a poster from a music magazine, that that same friend gave to me. it's an old poster/picture with hiro in it. yay! most of my pictures though have been preserved in a plastic box, so i can keep em all together, and make phototcopies of the ones i wanna put up. my closet and my room door are filled with misc. people in a nice collage sort of fashion, also with flyers to raves out here in nyc, only the nice flyers though. phat post cards, good art, and of course my boys soundgarden. i aslo have a sg flat from dotus that i simply must put up. although dotus isn't my fav album, it's a threeway tie between bmf, ultramega ok, and screaming life fopp. i made collages to put all over the room, but not too many, we don't want it to look cluttered here. in between my two doors are pics of a really phat N (for my name) and james dean and lucy ball, my heros, besides my boys. over my bed is a phat albert poster all colorful and shit matching my blue room, my room is a very colorful place. there's too much shit in there actually, i don't think i could type everything down. whatever, i look later and let y'all know. i have no money so the sg pics and posters that i get are from really nice friends that don't mind giving me shit from a long time ago, but as soon as Nadezhda getz a job, she is going to town and havin a ball! if anyone lives in the nyc area and knows of any good record as in vinyl shops (besides second coming) and poster places, please lemme know. if you wanna know the excact pisc i have lemme know, too. Nadezhda "i'm not a lyric writer to make statements. What I enjoy doing is making paintings with lyrics, creating colorful images. I think that's more what entertainment and music should be." -Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:43:08 +1000 From: justin nicholls Subject: give me a little piece of your heart... On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, eliza wrote: > Flutter Girl is not on Supermainstream...it is on Stolen Prayers..and that > is the only place you can find it (that I know of) which is too bad cuz it > is one of my top 5 favorite SG songs.. just as a note to new listers or fans of the band (of which I know you aren't one, eliza), 'flutter girl' is *not* a soundgarden song. as far as we know, 'flutter girl' was composed and recorded solely by chris, and is only one of a number of demos put to tape without any contribution from ben, kim or matt. some bootlegs, most notably _stolen prayers_, include among these demos a solo rendition of 'spoonman', a song that was later recorded and mixed for _superunknown_. 'flutter girl' is a great song, although perhaps not a tune soundgarden would have felt comfortable with ('sunshower', anyone?). make the effort to trade some tapes and you won't be disappointed . btw, I had my first taste of wellwater today, and it was wonderful! ted almost gives himself away in a couple of spots, though... congrats to chris for making the liner ;) justin ----- in your real life, treat it like it's special in your real life, try to be more kind in your real life, think of those that love you in this real life, try to be less blind words by vernon reid ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 18:02:20 -0400 From: Maria Joseph Subject: OUr little logo thingie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOUNDGARDEN 1984-1997 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ this is what I'm referring to. I know that we've been using it for a long time when we close our letters but it just dawned on me about it.. In an interview Chris was asked when the band got together and he said 1985 and I thought that was queer because we always wrote 1984 and I realized that when you do your math.. 1997-1984 is not 12 years.. or a decade... 1997-1985 is a decade... hmmm...... makes you think.. I'm just bringing this up for you guys... later -Maria.. personal lover of Matt Cameron :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 00:22:14 -0400 From: Jentje Subject: Lyrical opposites & contradictions It's an interesting thread... Chris has often used contradictions in many of his songs. Here a few that I found: "Just from the start it's the end" {~No Wrong No Right} "I'm feeling that I'm sober Even though I'm drinking I can't get any lower Still I feel I'm sinking" {~Outshined} "Only happy when you hurt Only deadly in a swarm Only healthy in the dirt Only empty in your arms Only bending when you break Only feeding when you're cold Only healing when you ache Only feeling when you don't " {~Rhinosaur} "Everything I gave is what I need Everything I've held is what I've freed" {~Slaves and Bulldozers} "These tears to remember These tears to forget" {~Tears to Forget} Contradictiong lyrics seem to be very colourful and for some reason, instead of confusing people, it helps them relate to what the song-writter is singing about. I learned that this type of writing method is often used to illustrate a point in a way that the reader (or in this case the listener) can somehow familierize with. And Chris definately seems to be a master at this form of lyric development. Toodles!! ~>Jentje ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 00:27:00 -0400 From: Sarah Bucolic Subject: Re: How Long Will It Last?... <