Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 02:00:04 -0400 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 6 Aug 1997 to 7 Aug 1997 There are 23 messages totalling 649 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Soundgarden Won't U Come & Wash Away the Rain..We've Fallen On (2) 2. living bands 3. Info on "Omega Paradise" 4. april 9, 1997...my version of nov. 22, 1963 (fwd) 5. Soundgarden calendar 6. another dream 7. Mix it UP! 8. where was I thread 9. My Soundgarden Dream (2) 10. where did you come from? (4) 11. Aussie sommsters! 12. I CAN"T BELIEVE IT 13. where i was 14. Thanks all who answered my question yesterday. 15. SG Solos and/or Kim's musical influence 16. LTLive blue 17. Kim as a lead guitarist 18. where was I To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 02:26:34 -0400 From: "Carol C." Subject: Re: Soundgarden Won't U Come & Wash Away the Rain..We've Fallen On In a message dated 97-08-05 13:42:34 EDT, you write: << << ) So, what was everyone doing when they heard the news of Soundgarden breaking up :( 2) Where did they hear it from? 3) What was your first reaction (or action) once you heard the news? 4) Did anyone do anything "special" or whatever to mourn our great lost?>> >> 1. Well, I was at work sneak-reading my somms mail and some jerk sent this email to somms about how he was *the* biggest sg fan and he had inside info that they had really broke up. I thought it was is a mean joke. (does anyone else remember that email?) =[ 2. I found out it was not a joke cuz of more comfirmations from people on the list. I later watched mtv (argg) waiting for any news. =[ 3. I was totally shocked and got all teary. I was at work so I couldnt bawl or nothin. I didnt have a warm body to hug or talk to about it. =( 4. I felt angry, sad, hurt, and listened to sg and mourned the great loss with all the vundabaa (wonderful) people on this list. you guys really helped me get through it. I got FDR from a sommster like 3 days later, and it was so cool to have new sg tunes i never heard, what a gift! =) But now Im wondering why Im still here. I love SG, but theyre gone, yet we remain. I wonder if they wonder the same thing about us. =[ And I wonder what chris is doing "right this second" at least once a day. I try to have out of body experiences to go see what he's doing! If I ever acomplish this, I will be sure to post it. =) Carol "you dont know what I live, you dont want what I give." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:02:31 +1300 From: Stuart Appleby Subject: Re: living bands NIKI FREER wrote: > > um, guys... > did you read the post seth sent yesterday? if it ain't SG related, > it ain't on the list. well, here are my favourite bands, and all of them are SG related: a) Soundgarden b) Temple of the Dog c) Pearl Jam d) The Presidents of the USA -Kim played on "Naked and Famous" well, i wouldn't say that my teachers really like Soundgarden, but last year i was doing this graphics project and i decided to design a cover for a new Soundgarden album (it really sucked), but anyhoo i brought my cd covers in for Mr O to photocopy for me and i made him read all the lyrics, but i don't think he was very impressed, because when he read Never the Machine Forever and it says "inspiration: greg gilmore" he made this strange face and thought it was pretty sick. but one good thing was when i left at the end of the period i didn't put my chair up and i ran away and he said, "hey you, Soundgarden, get back here!" but i just ran away. he actually called me SG. and i got 21 out of 25 for the project, which was fantastic. well, i had a dream the other night... actually about 6 months ago but i had to relate it to totd. Soundgarden were playing at my school, but it was the school i went to then i was about twelve...and there was this contest that if you name the songs that the lyrics are from you get to go up on stage...i can only remember Chris and Kim up there though...any way, i thought i'd kick ass, but the lyrics were something like "arggh" and "whoaaa" and "mmmmmmm" and stuff like that and i got the first one, from Searching With My Good Eye Closed i think... but the rest was way to hard and it was so frustrating, like trying to run away in a dream and your legs don't go very fast... well it actually was more of a nightmare, but at least i saw Kim and Chris. from graham:) i'm 16 too! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 03:32:39 -0400 From: Giuliana Garbini Subject: Re: Info on "Omega Paradise" << one thing I can point out, they misspelled "Thayil" with "Thayic" and "Shepperd" with "Shepard" >> And you also misspelled it. It's "Shepherd", not "Shepperd". Much Love, Giuliana ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 03:50:15 -0400 From: rita Subject: april 9, 1997...my version of nov. 22, 1963 (fwd) ok, i know, maybe soundgarden breaking up in not as important as JFK's assassination...but you know, i think it is... so there :P 1) So, what was everyone doing when they heard the news of Soundgarden breaking up :( i was home doing what i do best...nothing. 2) Where did they hear it from? i found out through this list. did my afternoon e-mail check and i had about 8 messages, one from mosh the video man and the subject was "soundgarden r.i.p." and i thought, well, um, maybe he as a new soundgarden video to sell. and he said they broke up...and i thought, what!? what a joke. then i read the rest of my mail and i just sat there and stared at my screen. and then i just turned my computer off, didn't even close my program or disconnect, just shut the thing off. 3) What was your first reaction (or action) once you heard the news? i went downstairs to the tv and knew it would be on muchmusic at 1:45 when they do their news thing...i was still couldn't quite believe it. as soon as i got down stairs my mother looked at me at said "who died?" our conversation need not be repeated since i typed it out to you all that day, and i don't wanna think about it cuz it pisses me off. so i waited for the news and bang, i heard it officially...and i was just shocked. and then the phone calls poured in, literally like someone just died. so i just continued to carry on like a zombie, i was so in shock. after the news thing, i remebered kurt. and i just sighed and thought, good lord, a day after kurt day, what bloody timing. so i was having i miss kurt fits mixed with soundgarden is gone realizations...just sitting there, just numb i don't know how else to explain my feeling. 4) Did anyone do anything "special" or whatever to mourn our great lost? well i had to go get my damn hair cut that afternoon so i went to do it and in the car i listened to alice in chains (my new fav. boys *sniff*) because soundgarden would just be too depressing...so i'm driving in this catonic state, just totally numb and i hit a stop light and i just...i cried, just bawled...sort of lost it. i did the hit the head on the steering wheel thing (i can't help laughing when i think about what i must have looked like to the people beside me) the light turned green, i dried my tears and said "fuck it" (don't know why) put the radio especially loud hoping layne's voice would drown out the reality that my REAL boys were no more....it didn't really work. i got a bad hair cut that day too. ~rita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:24:10 -0400 From: Matt Artis Subject: Re: Soundgarden Won't U Come & Wash Away the Rain..We've Fallen On OK, heres my little story. I was doin the homework in my room, alreadyt feelin pissed off cause i was having trouble w/ English (again) Then my friend Jeff called and told me the news. I didn't believe him until he played back the radio clip which he had taped. I promptly threw the telephone across the room and broke it (shit!) i continued breaking morer stuff for a while, then just laid on my bed until i had to go to school the next day. i was pretty depressed and pissed off the whole week, ask anyone i talked to on aol during that time. ok, im done now. ~Matt "Sitting here like uninvited company Wallowing in my own obscenity And share a cigarette with negativity" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:58:19 +0100 From: Deborah Baker Subject: Soundgarden calendar Key Mail Order are now taking orders for the 1998 Soundgarden calendar. It costs 4.99 (including post and packing) for UK orders 7.99 including shipping for Europe 9.99 including shipping for the rest of the world These prices are in Sterling. They take all major credit cards, plus IMOs. You can email them at sales@keymailorder.co.uk UKDeb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:49:52 -0400 From: Rachel Potter Subject: another dream okay... here's another dream i've had... don't worry.... it's shorter then the other one! it starts out in a car... not my car... it's chris'... it'sa black monster truck... w're driveing along... really fast... and we run over a cow... but chris keeps on driveing and we're in this country like setting... and we keep on running over farm animals... and then we run over kim... but chris doesn't care... he just keeps on driveing... and then we run over susan... but chris doesn't care about her either... because we're on our way to a church to get married!!!!!! the end, Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:58:02 -0500 From: tonerkin Subject: Mix it UP! Hi all, At Micro Center yesterday I picked up a copy of Blender... "the pop culture Magazine on CD-Rom" Bono is on the cover but what really caught my eye was one particular article called "Grunge R.I.P. The New Seattle Sound" I bought the CD. I looked at it this morning and the "article" is called "Seattle goes POP" It is the story of a guy and his love of SubPop and the changes he and Seattle went through between 1989 to the present. The second screen I clicked on Nothing to Say started playing(not a bad start) It shows his room in 1989, 1992 & 1997 and you click on various things in this kid's room(who by the way is giving a fairly whinny narrative) The 1889 section has a Screaming Life cover leaned up against the bed. There are several clips from Hype. Jack Endino talking about making the first SG single. Fairly interesting CD....I don't know whether it is worth the 12 bucks I paid for it or not!! But it is Soundgarden related and there are fleeting glimpses and sounds of them so it will go with the launch CD and those types of SG items on the computer desk. toni ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:07:52 -0400 From: Deb Servey Subject: where was I thread To add to the thread of where was I when I found out about the breakup... I was at work, where I originally had my email and had subbed on to the list. Don't recall now if it was before lunch or after, but I checked my listmail one more time and there it was. Actually, it didn't come to me as any surprise so I don't recall any over-riding emotions, it was just sort of a "Oh, finally..."type of response. I did call my best friend at her work to tell her and that was about it. Guess my first real thought was "What's going to happen to the list?" That was pretty anti-climactic, wasn't it? deb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:40:33 PDT From: Myra Haza Subject: My Soundgarden Dream I had a Soundgarden dream last nite! So here it goes: Soundgarden was eating breakfast (?) in the commons of my old middle school with my friends Brent & Blaine (?). I said "You guys kick fuckin ass!! Hell yeah!" But it was only Chris, Kim, & Matt. And Susan was their and she was bitchin about something I forgot what it was. Then I had Kim sign my backpack (?) and we staring talking about Guilds. It kicked ass....then I woke up. There's my Soundgarden dream. -Myra Quote of the Day:"Drifting body its soul desertion" Alice In Chains.."Would?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:54:33 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: where did you come from? Someone started a thread not so long ago asking how we got into SG. I'm curious to know from what musical direction people came to them. I know many of us have quite eclectic tastes, but I think most of us recognize that we have a certain "bent". I'd like to know if you came to them from an alt/indie/punk background, a metal background, or a pop/rock commercial radio type background, and if it was love at first sound or took repeated exposure to get you well and truly hooked. Soundgarden had a wonderful way of melding all these influences into something appealing to people of all these taste preferences. It's one thing that made them special. And lord almighty, I sure don't want to talk about what I did and felt when I learned of the breakup. It was bad enough to have to live it once. In many ways I'm still living it, and probably always will. That knife got buried really, really deep. Jen Grover ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:25:31 -0400 From: Elric&Dagny Subject: Re: where did you come from? Jenny Grover wrote: > > I'd like to know if you came to them > from an alt/indie/punk background, a metal background, or a pop/rock > commercial radio type background, and if it was love at first sound or > took repeated exposure to get you well and truly hooked. Hi guys! This is a difficult question for me to answer in a few words. I love a broad range of music. (I'm one of the "mature" Sommsters. :) Before I got into SG, I liked classic rock bands: Pink Floyd, Led Zep. I liked metal bands: Black Sabbath, Fates Warning. I liked goth bands: Bauhaus, the Cure. It's difficult to say what about SG specifically appealed to me; I'll just say that they are the band that epitomizes what music should be. And yes, it was "love at first sound," but it wasn't until I heard BMF that I was completely hooked. Just "Let Me Drown." Life Rules! Dagny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:30:28 -0400 From: Rebekah Henderson Subject: Re: where did you come from? For a long time I really didn't care for music. That's because for a long time, music seemed to be viewed as a bad thing in my household. It hasn't been that way for a while. Perhaps because my household changed and for the better. But anyway I started really getting into music and I was kinda ashamed that I liked it because people around me thought it was this horrible thing. Especially rock music. Rock music was satanism pure and simple to these lunatics. Of course what I liked was rock. It wasn't the "rockest" rock around, but rock still. I would play tapes really low in my room so no one would hear the music and I was constantly paranoid that I could get caught listening to it. Then we (by we I mean my mother and myself) moved to a another, better household. My musical tastes started to really broaden, but I wasn't into one particular person or band or even any particular type of music. I think I was searching for something I would like for a long time. I guess I was looking for a serious committment, as odd as that sounds. It seemed like no matter what I listened to, it just wasn't hard enough for me. So I started going towards hard rock/heavy metal (I say heavy metal lightly because there's some stuff out there that is just noise plain and simple.). That took me through a few bands that I started to really get interested in. I liked them for a while, but I soon grew tired of them. They weren't hard enough for me anymore. I was getting kinda restless....I don't really know what the word for it is. You know that feeling you get when you haven't heard anything new or fresh in a while? You start to get hungry I guess. You start to crave something juicy to sink your teeth into. Something you haven't tried before. It just so happens that SG came on the radio at just the right moment when I was really tuned into what I wanted and I thought YES! YES! YES! I would listen to the radio in high hopes of catching a SG song. Then I would watch MTV until I taped the video. :) SG was/is the serious committment I was looking for. Not to say that I don't like other bands or songs, but I found a band that I will probably love for a *very* long time. I found something that was timeless, inspiring, and fresh. I found something eternal. I was just elated. I bought all of their albums. I couldn't get enough of them! When I got this computer, I bathed myself in SG info/pics/sounds/videos/articles and everything you ever wanted to know about SG in Seth's site. I didn't notice that there was a mailing list for a while because I was too busy reading all the articles. I still go back every couple of months and read all of the articles again. I went through all of my own music magazines searching for SG stuff and every time I found something, I got that burning feeling in my stomach. The feeling of excitement that I have found something by this great band that I've never read before, combined with the hurried anticipation of reading it. Even though SG has disbanded and there will be no more albums from them doesn't mean that they've become old and stale in my eyes or in my heart. There is always something hidden in their music. Like when you're feeling bummed out and you've heard this song a thousand times and you know it by heart and the next thing you know you hear a sound or a word or you get a new vision in your head that you've never heard or had before. It happened in the exact same song you thought you knew by heart. Then you start to really listen and you hear other things and everything is new and fresh all over again. It's forever. Plus there's various imports/bootlegs that have new stuff on them. Stuff you've never heard before and live versions of the same songs you've listen to on their albums, but it's different. It's got that concert feel. I never got to see them in concert so bootlegs are something that are very special to me. They are the closest thing I can possibly get to hearing/seeing them in concert. SG inspires all kinds of feelings. Whether it be in their music, in videos, or just about the band members. There are bands that are likable on a surface level, but SG isn't a surface level band. The moment I hear any one of their songs, I'm instantly drawn into a world of meaning, emotions, and creativity. Asking what musical direction people came from is a simple question and for some it only takes a simple answer, but I just have so much to say about something I love and I think we all know that talking about or describing something you love can never really be adequately done, but one can try. :) Soundgarden is my favorite current *LIVING* band. May Soundgarden be with you. Rebekah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:50:00 +1000 From: Stephen Frantz Subject: Aussie sommsters! hey there.. can anyone from Australia on the list help me out with getting a vinyl copy of superunkown? please let me know.. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:55:23 -0400 From: Dan Carbo Subject: I CAN"T BELIEVE IT I don't know if anyone read my post about my door sized painting of the SG symbol. It was painted by a friend and hung on the door to my room. Anyway, my mother TORE IT DOWN!!!! I am so pissed. She said it was getting in the way and looked ugly. I knew she never liked it, but she threw it in the TRASH!!!! I CAN"T BELIEVE IT. It was my only possesion I cared anything about. Tearing down a poster is one thing. You can always buy a new one. But this was a one time thing and now its gone. I'm going to kill my mother. I'm just glad I'm moving off to college in three weeks. Royaly pissed, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:50:45 -0400 From: Mike Smith Subject: Re: where did you come from? prior to black hole sun, i was straight outa' compton. mike. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:58:43 -0400 From: Mike Smith Subject: Re: My Soundgarden Dream ya know, i was gonna skip this whole sg dreams thing, but i gotta' admit, ive had a few. when i herd about myras dream about eating breakfast with the band, it sparked my memory of a sg dream i had,,,,,,,,,so here goes......... i was in seattle(never been there) just walking around when i see chris and ben, so i run up to them(trying to keep cool) and start asking them all these questions, when they ask who the hell am i and why am i bothering them i tell them im from some magizine(total lie, evan in dream land) so they kinda agree to answer a few, so were just walking along the streets and, i forget who, says they are hungary. so we go into a dennys and i continue my badgering line of questioning, and all i remember after that is chris ordered hash browns....... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:25:33 -0400 From: Igor Nepomnyashchiy Subject: where i was I think i was in school at the time. One of my friends said "Did you hear? Soundgarden broke up". Since this friend has made evil jokes before, i didn't really believe him. Then, anotehr friend told me. ASt that point i believed it. I didn't have one of the reaction some of the people on the list have described like "I was bummed out teh whole week". It was just.... Oh, fuck. Grunge is dead. Since this was around the anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death, and that was on my mind, i was really depressed like "Dammit, thats it, Grunge is totally dead. First Nirvana, now this." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:15:42 -0500 From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Thanks all who answered my question yesterday. Date sent: 6-AUG-1997 22:15:28 Michael Apple ************************************************** Pale in the flare light The scared light cracks and disappears And leads the scorched ones here And everywhere, no one cares the fire is spreading And no one wants to speak about it. - "4th Of July", Soundgarden ************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 23:40:14 -0400 From: Dave Nailling Subject: Re: SG Solos and/or Kim's musical influence Howdy! Kim does use improvisation in about 95% of his solos. Sure, he'll use some of the best riffs from the solo while playing it live, but all of the rest is thought up on the spot. I've heard that the only exception to this rule is the solo in "Like Suicide". I've heard that he plays that one pretty much identical to the one on Superunknown, although on one of my bootlegs it doesn't sound 100% original. I think he was improvising roughly 25% on my copy. When I play the solo, I use about 50% improvisation. That's actually a lot for me, because I hate playing the same solo twice. Anyway, I just stick to the noticeable parts, e.g. the runs down the G strings and the long bends. -That Texan kid (Dave Nailling) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:23:10 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: LTLive blue Quick, can anyone tell me what a mint Louder Than Live U.S. promo 12" on blue vinyl is worth? I've found one for $40, but I'm dragging my feet a little. Jen Grover ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:51:43 +1000 From: tendrils Subject: Kim as a lead guitarist i have to say that this topic about kim's solos is one of the most interesting threads we've had recently > Kim does use improvisation in about 95% of his solos. possibly, but it doesn't mean that he doesn't work out his solos initially. I remember reading in an interview with kim (probably in some guitar magazine) that the solo from BUtOW was a first take. Apparently he was just messing around over Chris' rhythm part and trying to get a feel for his solo. Chris urged him to use what he came up with and they did. I can't remember who it was that said that solos are usually just some eastern scale and therefore anyone can write them (ie. Chris), but it is definitely not the case. If it were, then anyone could just mess around in a scale and write great solos on the spot. Good solos have so much more like *feeling* and dynamic impact and whatever else the soloist chooses to use. They are more than just a string of notes picked out of a scale. For instance, Kim's use of wah is often his choice to lend his solos a distinct 'voice'. This is not to say that Chris couldn't write the solo, but it would still be Kim who has to find a way to give it feeling and "life". I'd just like to add that although I think Kim is a great soloist and Sg would be less without his contributions, I think some of he has had a few solos that didn't really cut it (if anyone cares to discuss it). tendrils ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 23:37:58 -0500 From: Betty Anne Redson Subject: where was I When I found out about the breakup I was at home. One of my friends called me and the first thing that she told me was that she heard on the radio that SG had broken up. I didn't believe her, but after I hung up I checked my email and found way more messages than usual, with subjects saying BROKEN UP. So I knew then that what my friend had said was true. and of course I then got mad and cried like most people said they did. Marie ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 6 Aug 1997 to 7 Aug 1997 **********************************************