Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 02:01:06 -0400 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 29 Jun 1997 to 30 Jun 1997 There are 17 messages totalling 544 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. just pretend... (2) 2. this is all... 3. one post 4. alive in the superunknown Q's 5. alive CD+ (3) 6. 7. Mas Jeff Buckley Info 8. Chris' lyrics 9. fuck 10. Ty Cobb single (3) 11. See you in a month 12. Yet more look-a-likes! To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 16:13:15 -0700 From: Raine Subject: just pretend... >anyhoo, i think that on Outshined Chris says Shedding because, with six >albums, i only really know two songs with bad words (big dumb sex,ty >cobb) and they repeat that word extensively. I don't think an awesome >song like Outshined should be marred with a shocking word like that. he's got a point. given the right context, swearing can help to get the = point across, but if not it only detracts from the song. >PS: Regarding favourite vids. I must admit I'm a big lover of Rusty Cage >and Jesus Christ Pose videos, but I find I'm hard to pushed to separate >my love for the songs from the videos themselves. My all time favourite >Soundgarden video would be Black Hole Sun. Something about that fast >scrolling dark cloud in the shots of the band that does it to me every >time...and now every time I see low level cloud whizzing by in the skies= , >I think of the Black Hole Sun video... i'm really happy to see that ppl aren't afraid to give BHS the credit it = truly deserves... back in spring '94, as i was slowly, and unwittingly, being captivated by the song, i remember reading in billboard or somewhere that there was a vid. i couldn't wait to see it, and it wasn't long befor= e i got the chance to. at first i was sort of startled- i really didn't know what= to think. what exactly was the point being made? (if something grabs my interest, no matter what it is, i always look beneath the surface, i alwa= ys find myself reading into things). it seemed like there was a really thin = line- in both the song lyrics and the vid- and depending on which side of the line i chose to stand on, which way i interpreted it, i'd either love it = or hate it. well, the more i listened the more i fell in love, the more i watched= the more fascinated i became. that summer, BHS the song, and BHS the vid, became my all-time favorites. never before had i been *so* profoundly touched by a work of art... and lately everyone's been talking about what makes a true fan, and a lot of ppl seem to think that if you don't have = all their work, if you don't know everything about them, you can't be. well, = at that point in my life, i didn't own *one* of their albums, i'd heard "spoonman" and "outshined" a few times before on the radio, and i knew absolutely nothing about them- save for the fact that they'd created one = of the most amazingly beautiful songs i'd ever heard... and i loved them, = and i knew that i always would. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 18:28:43 -0700 From: Raine Subject: this is all... >Does it really matter how many tapes, cd's, videos, boots, concerts >attented any of us has? What matters is what the music, band, etc. >means to each of us personally, ourselves. exactly. >So anyways, anyone else agree that without the Soundgarden >contribution to the "Basketball Diaries" soundtrack, it would really >a worthless buy? I found it for $8 not too long ago and was excited >about getting it. UGH major! it is the worst soundtrack i've ever >heard. but then again, that's just me... i loved the one by the jim carroll band. "those are ppl who died, died!" :-) >Outshined is close captioned for the hearing impared,and my tv has the >captioning option so I decided to watch the video with the captioning >on, and low and behold shedding appears when he says well shedding. >but also during fell on black days when Chris says hands are for >shaking not tying, no not tying, it says "dont turn".... insted of saying or >showing not tying. So you know it isnt always right. Anyone ever make >use of there tv's captioning option or do I have to much time on my >hands? *thank god* for closed captioning! a few weeks ago my friends and i were having Jack Fest '97, and for some reason, in a lot of those movies from the late '60s & '70s ("easy rider", "the last detail") you literally *cannot* hear what they're saying the sound quality is so poor. i've never used it for anything else tho. >I haven't seen any Matt look alikes, but last year there was this >security guard working at one of the malls that looked EXACTLY like >Chris Cornell (except with a tie :o). When I first saw him I made a >major double-take and I thought it was just me (seeing as I love SG so >much), but my friend who was with me even said "hey doesn't that look >just like the guy from the band you like?". So I guess it wasn't just me! >Hmm...kinda made it tempting to shoplift (heheh, wouldn't want the >security guards to arrest me or anything! ;o) it's funny. there aren't many Sg fans where i live, but there sure are plenty of chris clones! i've seen a few at various local punk/hardcore/ska shows, and one time my friend who works at IGA (grocery store) saw one who was from belgium or somewhere, on vacation at one of local resorts. but the chris-a-like sighting that i'll never forget happened 2 summers ago when we went to see the ramones. it was a great show, but what really made my night was turning around and seeing this kid, probably about 19 or 20, who looked almost *exactly* like chris, even the same eye color. then, a few minutes later as if by fate, "outshined" came on. =) the whole time my friend & i were debating whether or not to go over and tell him, but by the time we decided to, the opening act took the stage & after that we lost him in the crowd. >My biggest objection to music videos is really an objection to MTV as the >self-proclaimed star-maker. Like their current big push of the Spice >Girls (gag) and Jenny McCarthy. Who the hell gave them the power to >decide what will be popular? Anyway, it bugs the shit out of me to go to >a concert and have the whole MTV crowd dancing in the aisles, whooing >and such, during such MTV classics as Outshined or BHS, and then >sitting like, duh, during every song that was never a video (a huge >number as far as Soundgarden is concerned). It just irks me to try >listening to a great song while some jerk stands there looking around, >chatting and acting stupid until the next MTV song comes, at which time >he or she starts acting even more stupid because their very >over-enthusiasm tells me that the only thing they know about SG is what >they've seen on MTV. Sorry for ranting, but that drives me nuts. it sends me to the moon and back too, but really the best thing to do is just feel sorry for them and ignore them. or hate them and ignore them. i hardly ever even notice they're there... there *is* a rush i get from the crowd, but the greatest joy is the very reason that i've travelled all that way in the first place- to see the band. it doesn't matter if there're several thousand other ppl there, or several hundred or less, and it doesn't matter if some, most, or *all* of them are trendies or bandwagoners, b/c they're completely insignificant once the band takes the stage. at that point it's me, and it's soundgarden, and the earth and the sky. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 19:12:22 -0700 From: Raine Subject: one post >I honestly dont think Chris would cover Jeff's music. I could be wrong, >but I just don't think he would. He has never covered stuff of his friends >that have died (Andy, Shannon,etc) at least that i know of - it just isnt his >style i dont think. If he did, Eternal Life is really the best fit, if not >the only fit (imo). Chris is a great vocalist, but there is something about >JB's songs that i dont think anyone else can really pull off well (at least >not yet..maybe someone will come along some day who can) - they are >just too different. As for the stuff from My Sweetheart the Drunk, it may >never get released, but it is brilliant stuff. At this point, i'd rather the >world hear what Jeff was working on for the last couple of years than to >have other people cover it. That's true, Jeff really was an unparalleled talent. altho, covering his songs would be a way of both paying tribute to him and carrying on what he's left behind.... but you're right, his fans deserve to hear his legacy, and he deserves for his work to be heard the way he intended. ~Lorraine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 11:54:07 PDT From: The Koggle Subject: alive in the superunknown Q's >also during fell on black days when Chris says hands are for shaking not >tying, no not tying, it says "dont turn".... insted of saying or showing >not tying. while browsing thru Alive in the Superunknown CD-rom i stupidly just figured out that if you click anywhere on the screen while the vid is playing, lyrics appear.. and in FOBD it just says "hands are for shaking" and nothing else.. so what gives? i'm positive i hear "not tying.. no not tying.." and if that's right, why wouldn't it be written with the other lyrics? ahh back to the confused lyric thread.. (yeah yeah, i'm sorry *sheepish*) with these NEW and exciting lyrics on the screen i've found many things that i've ALWAYS screwed up.. how's "i loved that i was alive" instead of "learned that i was a liar" and in TDITTL "would you say.. [you] never seem to live up to the ones inside your head" instead of "words you say never seem to .etc.." i dunno.. maybe i have too much time on my hands.. eheh dammit there's no red lobsters in aussie.. *pout* --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:10:41 -0400 From: Pam Underwood Subject: alive CD+ ok peoples it's stupid question time. I have the ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN CD+ but it won't work in my computer. My cd drive sounds like it's chewing it up every time I put it in. Anyone know why? *~PAM~* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 12:12:21 PDT From: The Koggle Subject: Re: just pretend... >song like Outshined should be marred with a shocking word like that. hee hee this makes me laugh.. one single word could not possibly marr a SG song.. no way! they're too awesommmmmmmme :) and as for shocking? i dunno.. that's opinion only.. shedding or shitting..? chris probably sang them to sound similar so people could interpret it their own way.. those who would be offended if it was "shitting" could be satisfied that it was "shedding".. and if anyone craved for a 'bad word' they could enjoy that little "shitting" added in there.. ha! who knows.. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 12:14:26 PDT From: Matt Busse Subject: I sent a cool E-mail request with a cool picture on it to Much Music for their RSVP request show. I asked them to play Rusty Cage, so I'll be watching that show for the next couple of weeks. Just thought I'd mention it in case you wanna see and they actually do play it. Matt Busse --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 13:27:56 -0700 From: Gene Candelaria Subject: Mas Jeff Buckley Info Exscuse me, no SG content. This is for those who appreciate Jeff Buckley. I copied a couple of inches that my local paper ran. If you'd like to read it go to http://www.pe.net/~sunishun/JBtrib.html . If you don't have internet access and you'd like to read this story, e-mail me privately. Thanks. -- gene ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:26:47 -0700 From: Fetal Bliss Subject: Re: alive CD+ > I have the ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN CD+ but it won't work in my computer. > My cd drive sounds like it's chewing it up every time I put it in. Anyone > know why? It's 'cause our CD-ROM drives suck! ...And we're not true fans 'cause we don't but a new one just for AitS! OK, I apologize for involving that other thread... ^_^ Later, Scott Eyes to sun, she lays in peace Eyes bear complacence Brown, the meadow grows tall to the sun Seasons have come, they have gone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 12:09:05 -0500 From: Richard E Horner Subject: Chris' lyrics Well Chris also says "Fuck it up" in Gun so that is three songs he cusses in. Not counting Outshined, 4 if you do. Umm, I can't do a complete total though because I don't have a vast collection of B-sides. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:08:55 -0500 From: Richard E Horner Subject: Re: alive CD+ There are two possiblities. Cds, beleive it or not, actually vary in size. Some are thicker than others. If your drive in CAV (hence it spins the CD), it could be scratching it. The other could be that your drive does not have the correct support drivers for a CD+. If it doesn't and is CLV then it will spin the CD for the read ahead on the data part and then drop the CD to the resting place (causing the scraping noise) and then read ahead the audio part, dop it again and read the data part again in an unending loop. This is most likely on a win95 system with an older CD rom drive. Especially a 63 minute drive. Rich On Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:10:41 -0400 Pam Underwood writes: >ok peoples it's stupid question time. > >I have the ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN CD+ but it won't work in my >computer. > My cd drive sounds like it's chewing it up every time I put it in. >Anyone >know why? > > >*~PAM~* > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:22:06 -0400 From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: fuck Warning: The following post contains material which may be unsuitable for some readers. The unintended or unauthorized reproduction, sale or distribution of this product is strictly prohibited. Failure to obey these laws may result in fines or imprisonment. My employer is not responsible for any of the views or opinions which are expressed in the following post. And any similarity of person's portrayed to any actual person, living or dead, is purely incidental. Viewing of this post is not recommended for any person's who may be subject to the following conditions: Dizziness, nausea, confusion or drowsiness caused by stroboscopic or other types of rapidly flashing light; sleepless, agitation or aggression caused by the continuous viewing of television for abnormally long periods of time, disorientation, panic or memory loss caused by the involuntary reception of large quantities of simultaneous external stimuli or any other type of abnormal physiological behaviour which can be triggered by unexpected atmospheric or electrical field anomalies. I recommend that in the event of accidental ingestion of excess portions of this post..notify authorities immediately. At 12:09 PM 06/29/97 -0500, somebody wrote: >Well Chris also says "Fuck it up" in Gun so that is three songs he cusses >in. Not counting Outshined, 4 if you do. Umm, I can't do a complete >total though because I don't have a vast collection of B-sides. well let's see... chris sings at least one of the 7 dirty words on.... Gun - "fuck it up" Big Dumb Sex - um...."fuck you" Kyle Petty, Son of Richard - "daddy didn't raise no fucking fool" Ty Cobb - "fuck you all" um...chris has a weird homoerotic lyric thing happening in the middle of the boot 7" for "S>P Rock City (live)". Kim sings? about his penis in "Exit Stonehenge"...a southern baptist would probably find that word offensive, so you can include that. He doesn't sing 'shiting' in "Outshined. It's 'shedding'. Didn't you know the grass is always greener over the septic tank? Think metaphoric physics...like cartoon physics only more analytical. s. - 'has your band begun to rust?' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:57:02 EST From: Saskia Becher Subject: Ty Cobb single Hey I just bought the Ty Cobb single with the remix of Rhinosaur... man it is wierd but I think that I prefer it to the original, funky stuff.. anyway the shop that I bought it from still has another copy so if anyone would like me to get it and send it.. let me know... Sassy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A wise mand changes his mind, a fool never will - Spanish Proverb ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:28:52 EDT From: seth Subject: See you in a month In 12 hours I'm on my way to London - I'll be gone until July 29. During that time Geoff Kleemola (gak@netcom.ca) will be standing in as listadmin, so if you have any questions, please contact him. Just a reminder: you can send the following commands to listserv@mitvma.mit.edu if you need to change your subscription options: SIGNOFF SOMMS Unsubscribe from the list SET SOMMS NOMAIL Temporarily suspend mail delivery to your account SET SOMMS MAIL Resume mail delivery to your account SET SOMMS DIGEST Switch to digest mode SET SOMMS NODIGEST Switch to individual messages mode INFO REFCARD Get a list of all available commands While I'm gone the digest will not be archived on the website and the website will not be updated (obviously). Take care, seth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:33:03 -0400 From: Matt Artis Subject: Re: Ty Cobb single I have never seen the single. If there is a single for Ty Cobb, does that mean that there is a video? Thats it.....boring letter, huh? ~Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 21:17:46 -0500 From: NIKI FREER Subject: Re: Ty Cobb single Matt wrote: >If there is a single for Ty Cobb, does that >mean that there is a video? nope, no video for Ty Cobb. the single itself was released after the band broke up (choking sound goes here), which i'm still confused as to why that happened. but to answer yr question, no- no TC video will be made or was ever made. mind riot ____ long time coming many served the few... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOUNDGARDEN 1984-1997 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 21:25:38 -0500 From: NIKI FREER Subject: Yet more look-a-likes! Hey guys, i forgot all my Kim look-a-likes! i have seen tons of Kim's wandering the parimeters of Pennsylvania! One night i was up at the mall killing time with a friend before we headed over to see the Howard Stern movie. we're walking along, and in front of CVS lo and behold stands KIM THAYIL! i of couse yelped "it's KIM!" which caused her to look and her jaw to drop when she realized how right i was. (btw, she can't even look at Kim photos, some weird nerousis about his eyes or something... I LOVE YOU KIM!) so the guy walks into CVS, and i say "lets go follow him!" Of couse, that is totally ridiculous and kinda silly, but i was in a silly mood and hell- the guy *looked* like kim thayil. Well, anyone who's ever been in a CVS knows how the ceiling has those weird mirrors on it that show people walking, but kinda in a reverse manner so it's hard to tell where exactly the person is. Anyways, we went into the CVS and didn't see him anywhere, so we looked up and he was walking away from us. er, or so we thought. She goes "oh look! there he is!" then we look down and the Kim clone is directly in front of us and she blurts out "Oh there he is right there!" and the Kim grins and walks past us as we dissolve into laughter. sure, it's a dumb story, but the guy looked almost identical to a young Kimmy. And we saw him a few more times that night and waved once or twice, but the guy never really acknowledged us. = ( and later that night, as we stood in line to get into the movie, yet another Kim clone came strolling by us, this one even closer than the last one. = ) and this guy who works at this gas station near me IS kim's identical twin w/o the long hair. beard and everything. my mother hates how everytime we drive by there, i say "Hi Kim!" = ( but what do parents know, eh? = ) thanks for listening to my Kim babble. = ) mind riot ____ long time coming many served the few... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOUNDGARDEN 1984-1997 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 29 Jun 1997 to 30 Jun 1997 ************************************************