Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:00:59 -0400 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 11 Jun 1997 to 12 Jun 1997 There are 25 messages totalling 730 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. State of the List and Hater release: 2. freash deadly rarities 3. waiting for you to tell me what went wrong... (3) 4. louder than love... (7) 5. Art Influence 6. Is LTL "bad?!" (2) 7. Louder Than Love... 8. And the Ty Cobb single goes to... 9. CD book vs. New Metal Crown (2) 10. Louder that Love 11. Garden of Souls 12. Soundgarden Books 13. I'm going where the cold winds blow... 14. So I'm not the only one!?? (2) To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 05:26:33 -0400 From: Deb Subject: Re: State of the List and Hater release: Read it, loved it, agreed with it totally! Have enough of us said it now? Have some tolerance, don't bite people's heads off, be kind. Chris, you bsaid stuff I've said before numerous times! We are a community. 'Nuff said... 'Scuse me whilst I spazz, I leave for Europe on Monday! ciao....deb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:34:27 -0400 From: Chris Johnson Subject: freash deadly rarities i got my copy of fresh deadly rareities yesterday its pretty good. theres a lot of cover song on that but it was worth it -kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:51:29 +0200 From: Anders B-N Nergaard Subject: Re: waiting for you to tell me what went wrong... First of all, thanx for yet another awesome review, Justin. >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:18:20 +1000 >From: justin nicholls >Subject: waiting for you to tell me what went wrong... > > "beautiful" also pretty much sums up ben's contribution to >'overfloater'. most times I'm not entirely aware of what ben is playing, >but I'm proud to report that here his performance is nothing but short of >remarkable. it's weird. when I hear the song, I can hear the notes being >played, but I can also hear the *spaces* between the notes. there is this >huge expanse, easily enough room for the song to be comfortable, and right >in the middle of it all is ben, twisting and turning like some magical >waterfall. his basslines seem to coil around matt's snare and chris' >throat with equal assurance; after focusing on his performance and the >variation it showcases, I am just in awe of the agility. better than hiro? Perhaps, but "different" would be a better word. Of-course, if you're comparing Ben's music to the stuff Hiro played back when he was a member of SG; you will find that Ben plays much better than Hiro. But he also plays much better than he did on the previous records, in fact, they all do. Hiro has also developed as a bass-player (as well as a singer). Ben plays a different style than Hiro did/does. If anyone doesn't think Hiro to be an excellent bass-player, try listening to Truly. (If you haven't got "Fast Stories...from Kid Coma", go out and buy it. It's the best CD I've bought this entire year). Sure he isn't as melodic as Ben, but he sure can play. Just listen to the songs "Blue Flame Ford", "Hurricane dance" and "So strange" (it is indeed) from "Fast Stories...From Kid Coma", those songs alone make it worth buying the CD. But don't get me wrong. What Ben does on the whole DOTU album is awesome ("beautiful" even), then again, so is what Hiro does in Truly. (If people find this not SG related, I would just like say that Hiro was a member of SG for five years (84-89) and was Kim's friend long before that. Without Hiro, no SG). On to something completely different. OK, I feel like a total idiot asking this question, but I just have to. I finally got "Leslie's coughing up blood" and "Heart and Lungs" (both from Truly, Sub Pop), but what does this stuff that's written on the discs mean: "SPCD 86/257" (on LCUB) and "SPCD 24/176" (on Heart and Lungs) ? Andy "Fill your head with crazy sounds" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:32:33 -0400 From: Jamesetta Simpson Subject: Re: waiting for you to tell me what went wrong... > okay, it is safe to come back to your computer now. my gush mode >is off for the moment, Gush on my friend for I feel the same emotion as you do with this wonderful song.. > his vocal performance is an altogether different kettle of fish. >this is where the song's dynamic lies. chris starts out soft, but grows >more and more insistent as the song progresses. I would rate this as >easily one of the best vocal performances on the record; the dips, curves >and pure emotion make it difficult to ignore. and like most late-era The way Chris uses his voice in this song is my biggest draw to it.. He takes you on an emotional roller coaster ride with each word. He draws you up higher and higher ending in a rush of pure delight. > what's the song about? good question. 'Overfloater' has been and always will be a love song to me. I can take the words and turn them to verses of love and making love. I know most people don't agree with this but then Soundgarden has always given us music that lets each person create their own view on the meaning... Thanks for picking Overfloater as this months song review, as always you did a great job Justin.. Jamie (Village Idiot/SOMMs Mom) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:42:09 PDT From: ANDRI NADZRI Subject: louder than love... hello SOMMsters... been a while since i've posted something..taking classes this summer so it;s keeping me busy..BUT..i do catch up with the latest news about SG.. recently..after reading Guitar World and Guitar Player mags...both of them seem to rate Louder Than Love as not very good...being a SG fan since 1990, i have all the official albums and EP's EXCEPT Louder Than love (shame on me!!:I)..so ..i was wondering...what do u guys think about LTL...is it as bad as what had been described in the guitar mags??My decision to buy LTL will be based on your response..so please..help me out..:)) Thank you... Andri --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:00:55 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Art Influence Well, I'm an artist by profession, and Soundgarden has been an important influence on my work, less in terms of imagery, but very much in terms of mood and attitude. I have, however, done two collages in the past year for myself-- a paper collage of Ben playing, based on Motorvision, and a collage of various objects relating to the Fairfax show I attended (ticket stub, the setlist I made during the show, a penny I found on the sidewalk as we came out, the fortune from my fortune cookie at lunch that day which reads "you are given the chance to take part in an exciting adventure", pictures of the band, a cd, and the guts of a floppy disc to represent the wonderful SG friends I've made via computer). Whenever I look at that Fairfax collage it brings back the mood of that day. Jen Grover ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:25:48 -0700 From: Michael Roberson Subject: Re: louder than love... hey, lots of people have told me that they don't like louder than love. i've even read it on the list. when i first listened to it, i wasn't completely taken, but i did like a few songs (ugly truth, gun, loud love). however, it did "grow" on me. the more i listened to it, the more i loved it. the same was true with superunknown. I recommend buying it. even if you don't like it, it won't destroy you financially and SOMEONE out there would be willing to buy it from you. what do the rest of you think? Mike Roberson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:32:02 -0700 From: eliza Subject: Re: louder than love... ANDRI NADZRI wrote: > so ..i was wondering...what do u guys think > about LTL...is it as bad as what had been described in the guitar > mags?? No! I can't stand seeing that album get trashed (or any SG for that matter ;-) I am a definite fan of LTL...sure, it is not as great as others, but for songs like Ugly Truth, Loud Love, Big Dumb Sex, Full On Reprise, Uncovered, it is a must have...not to mention the pic on the the cd ;-) Speaking of Uncovered...I was thinking the other day about what I think the most underrated SG songs are....Underrated meaning it didn't become a single and just doesn't get discussed much (I know *here* almost every song gets discussed, but i mean in general) So...here are my pics for the most underrated song on each album.... SL/Fopp: Hmmmmmm...Entering UMOK: Mood for Trouble LTL: Uncovered BMF: Face Pollution (lately that song has just been kicking my ass) SU: Fresh Tendrils!! (my vote for one of most underrated of all time) DOTU: Overfloater! (thanks for recognizing it brilliantly justin) Others: Fluttergirl, Missing, Nowhere But You, Christy, Heartfist, Toy Box and a million more...basically almost every unreleased song! singing at my desk now, eliza ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:37:35 -0400 From: Elric&Dagny Subject: Is LTL "bad?!" Andri wrote: LTL...is it as bad as what had been described in the guitar mags?? NO! NO! NO! I think LTL is great! It is probably their only album that I would consider somewhat "heavy metal." Although BMF is definitely my fav, it was LTL that I first became aware of SG. There is a lot of humor on it (I like Full on Kevin's Mom). I don't think there is a weak song there; I look at it as a "precursor" to BMF. You should especially check out Uncovered. Every SG fan should have this album! Life Rules! Dagny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:05:49 -0500 From: Richard E Horner Subject: Re: Louder Than Love... Yes, buy Louder Than Love. Around here, my town, its everyone's fav soundgarden album. THe reason guitar mags hate it is the guitar is so simple. I know 'cause I play. All the songs on that album are simple chord heavy riffs or a simple pattern repeated. Guitar mags don't like stuff that is easy to play. Yeah, the solos may be hard but they are improvised. Ohh, the other reason the mags don't like it is because the album was written around distortion as the basis for songs like Loud Love. But you MUST buy this album for Full On Kevin's Mom alone. That song is worth the $$. "I ain't saying who but it wasn't me!" Rich <> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:46:00 -500 From: "Audrey L. Hillyard" Subject: And the Ty Cobb single goes to... Jamie Simpson! congrats Jamie. I'll keep an eye out for more copies of Ty Cobb & any other Soundgarden goodies... audrey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:47:33 -0400 From: Marsinay Smith Subject: Re: Is LTL "bad?!" i couldn't agree more...i DEFINITELY recommend you pick it up. -v *************************** In a message dated 6/11/97 3:43:25 PM, Dagny wrote: << I think LTL is great! It is probably their only album that I would consider somewhat "heavy metal." Although BMF is definitely my fav, it was LTL that I first became aware of SG. There is a lot of humor on it (I like Full on Kevin's Mom). I don't think there is a weak song there; I look at it as a "precursor" to BMF. You should especially check out Uncovered. Every SG fan should have this album! >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:19:06 -0400 From: Alissa Corsi Subject: Re: waiting for you to tell me what went wrong... In a message dated 6/11/97 6:00:53 PM, you wrote: <> you got it right there.... his voice is like..... like..... geez.... I can't even find words.... like liquid heaven pouring over me..... ahhhhh..... not to mention the music even!! this song does it for me. it's very tingly. that'a a horrible word..... but every time I listen to it, I have this rising feeling..... it's amazing, like it's sad, happy, and cool.... all at the same time! what an amazing song.... it was the last one I heard before......"it"..... <<'Overfloater' has been and always will be a love song to me. I can take the words and turn them to verses of love and making love. I know most people don't agree with this but then Soundgarden has always given us music that lets each person create their own view on the meaning...>> rock girl! this song gives me that kind a feel too. like a kind of orgasmic feel.... nobody go nuts on me now.... w/ the emotion, chris's voice, the music..... kick ass song y'all..... go and listen to it again!! you will appreciate it even more!! "Remember I love you, love you" love, lissa =) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:21:47 -0500 From: "B. Kinser" Subject: Re: louder than love... I find that people who got into Soundgarden with Superunknown (or Badmotorfinger even) tend to dislike Louder Than Love and the earlier stuff. On the other hand, fans who got into the band with the Ultramega OK or Louder... tend to dislike the later material. I feel there is a definite trend in the series of albums and it goes in twos'. 1.Screaming Life/Fopp and Ultramega OK 2.Louder Than Love and Badmotorfinger 3.Superunknown and Down On the Upside I'm more of a group #2 person myself, leaning towards the earlier material, but then that's only my opinion. Anyone else?? BK BTW I saw Rush in St. Louis over the weekend and must say that it was an incredible show. 2 hours and 40 minutes of incredible musicianship. If you get the chance, don't miss it!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:51:54 -0400 From: Julia Rosselli Subject: Re: CD book vs. New Metal Crown I to thought that the CD Book was much more well written than NMC. I mean the Nickson book was published released Dec. 96, but there wasn't even a mention about DOTU or the Superunknown tour ( at least from what i can remember). With NMC I had a feeling of " You mean that's it?" when i got to the end. The CD book by Jon Ewing is definitely worth getting ( the pictures are awesome and numerous). NMC I bought just to have, but it is definitely not a must. Julia:-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:20:08 -0700 From: Rachel Thompson Subject: Louder that Love I first recognized Soundgarden when Badmotorfinger came out, and became in love with them instantly. I then when out and got Louder that Love, Screaming Life/Fopp and Ultramega OK. I loved their earlier stuff alot also. For me, I didn't really characterize their music in different groups upon each album. I just knew that I loved it. They definately had a sound all their own. Peace Love Empathy *Rachel* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:25:55 -0400 From: Sarah Bucolic Subject: Re: CD book vs. New Metal Crown Actually the NMC book was published in November 95. Where can I get the CD book? I can't find it in book stores or music stores. Peace, love, and SG. Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:31:38 -0700 From: Jordan Snodgrass Subject: Re: Garden of Souls Sorry for such the delayed post, but someone said KTS (CD bootleg makers) went under... All I have to say is RIGHT ON!! Fuck KTS... they were making money off Soundgarden. By sitting on their asses. There is a right way and a wrong way to "bootleg" shows, and selling CDs for $50 each is NOT the right (or shall I say fair/moral) way to do it. keep those tapes spinning... -- js. mailto:jasnodgr@ucsd.edu http://sdcc8.ucsd.edu/~jasnodgr/um/ Tapes - http://sdcc8.ucsd.edu/~jasnodgr/tapes/ "and that's jordan, not jason." -me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:39:50 EDT From: seth Subject: Re: louder than love... Eliza wrote: > Speaking of Uncovered...I was thinking the other day about what I think > the most underrated SG songs are....Underrated meaning it didn't become > a single and just doesn't get discussed much (I know *here* almost every > song gets discussed, but i mean in general) So...here are my pics for > the most underrated song on each album.... Yes, I think maybe "underrecognized" might be a better word... > Others: Fluttergirl, Missing, Nowhere But You, Christy, Heartfist, Toy > Box and a million more...basically almost every unreleased song! I agree 100% with Toy Box as an underrecognized gem in Soundgarden's catalog; it's my favorite b-side, a song that I think paves the way from Ultramega OK to Badmotorfinger. It somehow doesn't seem to fit in the Louder Than Love era during which it was released, and seems way ahead of the Screaming Life era during which it was first recorded and the Ultramega OK era which directly preceded its release. And then Ben Kinser wrote: > I feel there is a definite trend in the series of albums and it goes in > twos'. 1.Screaming Life/Fopp and Ultramega OK > 2.Louder Than Love and Badmotorfinger > 3.Superunknown and Down On the Upside > > I'm more of a group #2 person myself, leaning towards the earlier > material, but then that's only my opinion. I'm not sure. I think Screaming Life and Fopp are a group and UMOK, BMF, and SU are a group. LTL and DOTU seem to stick out as illogical follow-ups to UMOK and SU, respectively. UMOK, BMF, and SU all have a very definite atmosphere to them -- certainly not the same atmosphere, but each of those records has an overwhelming feeling to it that LTL and DOTU don't have, instead seeming to be a collection of strikingly different moods. I'm definitely an UMOK/BMF/SU person myself; I do listen to LTL and SL/Fopp occasionally, but DOTU hasn't been in my CD player since a few weeks after it came out. -seth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:43:33 -0700 From: Rachel Thompson Subject: Soundgarden Books I'm looking for the Soundgarden CD book, I can't find it. A matter of fact, when ever I go to bookstores or records stores I rarely ever see SG books. I just got the New Metal Crown one, because that was the first I've seen, whenever looking. Can anyone else recommend any other good SG books, that I can keep my eye out for. Thanks... Peace Love Empathy *Rachel* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:16:14 -0500 From: Richard E Horner Subject: Re: louder than love... I don't know if your entirely right. I got into Soundgarden with Superunknown because that was the first time I heard them, but I think its their lamest album. And I don't really look at Soundgaren as what albums I like, but rather at what songs I like. Every album has good songs and not as good songs. It just depends on what you like. I listen to a lot of heavier stuff when I'm not listening to SG (Megadeth, KoRn, Metallica, Queensryche). Chow, Rich On Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:21:47 -0500 "B. Kinser" writes: >I find that people who got into Soundgarden with Superunknown (or >Badmotorfinger even) tend to dislike Louder Than Love and the earlier >stuff. On the other hand, fans who got into the band with the >Ultramega >OK or Louder... tend to dislike the later material. > >I feel there is a definite trend in the series of albums and it goes >in >twos'. 1.Screaming Life/Fopp and Ultramega OK > 2.Louder Than Love and Badmotorfinger > 3.Superunknown and Down On the Upside > >I'm more of a group #2 person myself, leaning towards the earlier >material, but then that's only my opinion. > >Anyone else?? > > >BK > >BTW I saw Rush in St. Louis over the weekend and must say that it was >an >incredible show. 2 hours and 40 minutes of incredible musicianship. >If >you get the chance, don't miss it!!! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:51:34 +1000 From: justin nicholls Subject: I'm going where the cold winds blow... On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Andy wrote: > First of all, thanx for yet another awesome review, Justin. and you are welcome ;) > Perhaps, but "different" would be a better word. Of-course, if you're > comparing Ben's music to the stuff Hiro played back when he was a member of > SG; you will find that Ben plays much better than Hiro. But he also plays "different" is probably the better term, but I would also go so far as to say that "preferable" is the best one. I have heard the truly record (even though it is a little wonky in places, I don't mind it at all), and going on that record I would argue that ben's style of play is now so much more musical than hiro's that I really would prefer to listen to ben. I also think that ben's song-writing is much more creative and emotive than hiro's, case in point being 'head down' or 'down undershoe' versus anything you can find on _kid coma_. > finally got "Leslie's coughing up blood" and "Heart and Lungs" (both from > Truly, Sub Pop), but what does this stuff that's written on the discs mean: > "SPCD 86/257" (on LCUB) and "SPCD 24/176" (on Heart and Lungs) ? since they are single or ep releases, I would argue that those are just cataloguing or serial numbers used by the record company; the 'sp' might stand for "special" and cd stands for, of course, "compact disc". ----------------------------------------------- in your real life, treat it like it's special in your real life, try to be more kind in your real life, think of those that love you in this real life, try to be less blind words by vernon reid ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:08:55 -0700 From: Raine Subject: Re: So I'm not the only one!?? hallo all! i finally got around to reading all the posts from the past few days, and couldn't stop laughing at all the messed up lyrics- i thought i *was* the only one who'd heard things! "spoonman" seems to be the one that trips most ppl up... at first i thought it was "all my friends are scared of death" too (and i was sorta disappointed when i found out it wasn't). i also thought he was saying "i'm together w/ your *prayer*". what else? when i first heard BiMH, i thought it sounded like "laughter in the sand" heheh... and of course there's the whole "come on while i get off" thing... i don't know, i really think it's "come on, like it all". "all the little pigs have god/gone", i was never quite sure 'bout that either, tho i do think it's "god" (and i prefer it that way, and it makes more sense in the context of the song- but i guess it all depends on how you read into it). that's another wonderful thing- not only can the lyrics' meanings be construed so many different ways, but even the lyrics themselves. i think recall chris saying somewhere that by the time they actually get around to recording the songs, he's changed the lyrics around so many different ways that he can't remember what he'd finally settled on! and i don't care what anyone says, in BUTOW, i hear "and the ones you can *kill*", not "help". and yes, it makes *perfect* sense... well, in MY warped mind anyway. (just kidding) ;) >Has anyone ever made a Soundgarden influenced sculpture? well, a sculpture, no. but like i was telling my friend lynne the other day, a few weeks ago i came up w/ a new idea for a story which was inspired partly by "fresh tendrils" (has any1 noticed what an *incredible* song this is?! one of my all-time favorites- i listen to it every day now). BUTOW, BiMH, "pretty noose", BHS, "boot camp" among others have all sparked ideas for stories. Sg has inspired me i so many ways- in everything i love... in life! ciao... a very cheerful Lorraine (2 more days of school- forever!) Long time coming, many served the few... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:19:02 -0700 From: Raine Subject: Re: So I'm not the only one!?? hallo all! i finally got around to reading all the posts from the past few days, and couldn't stop laughing at all the messed up lyrics- i thought i *was* the only one who'd heard things! "spoonman" seems to be the one that trips most ppl up... at first i thought it was "all my friends are scared of death" too (and i was sorta disappointed when i found out it wasn't). i also thought he was saying "i'm together w/ your *prayer*". what else? when i first heard BiMH, i thought it sounded like "laughter in the sand" heheh... and of course there's the whole "come on while i get off" thing... i don't know, i really think it's "come on, like it all". "all the little pigs have god/gone", i was never quite sure 'bout that either, tho i do think it's "god" (and i prefer it that way, and it makes more sense in the context of the song- but i guess it all depends on how you read into it). that's another wonderful thing- not only can the lyrics' meanings be construed so many different ways, but even the lyrics themselves. i think i recall chris saying somewhere that by the time they actually get around to recording the songs, he's changed the lyrics around so many different ways that he can't remember what he'd finally settled on! and i don't care what anyone says, in BUTOW, i hear "and the ones you can *kill*", not "help". and yes, it makes *perfect* sense... well, in MY warped mind anyway. (just kidding) ;) >Has anyone ever made a Soundgarden influenced sculpture? well, a sculpture, no. but like i was telling my friend lynne the other day, a few weeks ago i came up w/ a new idea for a story which was inspired partly by "fresh tendrils" (has any1 noticed what an *incredible* song this is?! one of my all-time favorites- i listen to it every day now). BUTOW, BiMH, "pretty noose", BHS, "boot camp" among others have all sparked ideas for stories. Sg has inspired me in so many ways- in everything i love... in life! ciao... a very cheerful Lorraine (2 more days of school- forever) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:22:33 -0500 From: NIKI FREER Subject: Re: louder than love... andri wrote: >My decision to buy LTL will >be based on your response although LTL seems to be the least acclaimed and least liked SG album of them all, i happen to love it to death. i think there are just so many really decent songs on it. look- hands all over, gun, loud love, i awake, ugly truth, uncovered, full on kevin's mom... fuck, the whole album is really good, i think. some say it's over produced and made to sound pure metal or whatever, but i love it. and who can go without big dumb sex! it's a great album, IMHO. mind riot ____ i think it's turning back around and i think i like it... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOUNDGARDEN 1984-1997 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 11 Jun 1997 to 12 Jun 1997 ************************************************