Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 02:00:06 -0400 Subject: SOMMS Digest - 11 May 1997 to 12 May 1997 There are 44 messages totalling 1374 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. more on SU 2. TY COBB SINGLE 3. Soundgarden cats (2) 4. hard headed.. 5. hot rod death toll.. (3) 6. sorry.. 7. Superunknown has no guts? (2) 8. australian mtv 9. Cash - Rusty Cage / LTL promo disc 10. Thoughts on Superunknown 11. Superunknown/ Temple of the Dog - Pearl Jam and Faaark!!!!! (2) 12. MORE STUFF ABOUT BREAKUP (5) 13. The US/BMW discussion 14. One more thing on sg's last 2 albums 15. Tribute Album and Ty Cobb single (2) 16. HAPPY ANNIVERSERY? (2) 17. HEY LIST 18. One year ago??? 19. Hater Set List, May 10, 1997 (3) 20. Reactions to Superunknown 21. ...the Mtv Europe Soundgarden Live & loud... 22. AusMtv - Kinda to the Aussies of the list....sorry 23. Recording .AU or .AIFF files 24. Superunknown song (2) 25. by the roadside 26. SOUNDGARDEN VIDEOS! 27. superunknown 28. Inflatable Soule 29. here we are, crying in the night... 30. forget that last one, the real one will come in sometime soon... To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send email to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with the following in the body of your message: SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 02:44:06 -0400 From: "Lori S. Bingel" Subject: more on SU To continue my thoughts on SU - I think an interesting factor affecting my initial reactions to SU is that for about 12 months before hand I had gone on a SG "dry spell" - for over a year after the relase of BMF, that album was almost the only thing I listened to. In 1993, I started listening to a lot of jazz and symphonic music and just a lot of stuff that isn't SG. When I bought SU the only pre-BMF album I owned was UMOK which hadn't grown on me. I went into my first listening of SU with almost no expectations or predtermined feelings about it. I think the bottom line in this whole discussion of the latter 3 SG albums is, man, you gotta respect a band who can make change. If SG put out an album identical to BMF is sound and feel instead of DOTU, their fan base may not have spread how it did (I have heard the singles from DOTU on the radio more often than singles from any other, with the exception of Black Hole Sun, and look at how many sommsters on the list have admitted to DOTU as being their first SG experience), and more importantly, it would have reflected a lack of growth. Like many list members, I tend to hold BMF in highest regard, but as stated by many others, SU and DOTU are full of great songs, and even if each album didn't hit me the same way, it's inspiring to me (especially as a musician) to hear fresh, new sounds and approaches to things on each of these albums. Lately I have been mostly listening to SL/Fopp and LTL, not only because they are great, but because they have helped me better appreciate the limbs SG went out on to NOT put out the 'same old stuff' in the last two albums. (I actually think BMF is a pretty far stretch from LTL, but that's for another discussion) I think the band took a lot of risks releasing DOTU, in the production and the song material. We've all heard enough from the guys to know that their "thing" has always been their art, their music, and not a commercial sucess/fan thing. To me, DOTU is a bold statement of this idea, and it makes me love SG more than ever, even though it doesn't hit me as hard as BMF, or whatever. any how, my $.02. ~Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 17:23:02 +1000 From: spoonman Subject: TY COBB SINGLE Hi all you yanks and Brits or whatever else you might be. I live in OZ and will ship copies of the TY COBB single to anyone who wants them. The b sides are: Rhinosaur Big Dumb Sex ( this goes well with Ty Cobb) Rhinosaur ( some alternative mix) Email me if you're interested. abrand@comwiz.com.au THANKS Mike P.S. If anyone wants to trade Soundgarden bootlegs, my list is at this link: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6492 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 03:21:07 -0400 From: Larry Grover Subject: Re: Soundgarden cats My cat SINGS to Soundgarden. Whenever I crank it up loud, especially BMF, he sits in the hall (he seems to like the acoustics there whenever he sings) and wails like a feline Chris Cornell! (Actually, he's probably just complaining because of the volume I play this stuff at). Jen Grover ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 00:52:15 PDT From: "Koggle :)" Subject: hard headed.. ..i'm in Australia and I got the Ty Cobb single today.. it's got Ty Cobb (LP version) Rhinosaur (LP version) Big Dumb Sex (LP version) and Rhinosaur (the straw that broke the rhino's back remix) compared to the original Rhinosaur, i really like the remix.. it's got a HUGE bass sound and lots of distortion on the vocals.. the only thing that gets to me is that they mixed the original chorus guitar part into the verse, so it sounds off when the chorus sounds much the same as the verses (all except the first one. they should have kept the trend going) this Rhinosaur is more upbeat compared to the original, which i found kind of dull.. i scanned the cardboard case the single was in, and you can have a look if you like at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/6953/tycobb.jpg .. the picture on the cd is the same.. w/ the tracks written across it.. but uhh i think i got ripped off ... $8 is getting too high for singles in Australia.. about time someone did something about it.. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 01:16:09 PDT From: "Koggle :)" Subject: hot rod death toll.. okay, if you were all pissed that i didn't scan the cd.. rejoice.. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/6953/tycobbcd.jpg but hey, i didn't say it was a good quality scan.. it sucks actually.. heheh just one thing about this single, is it a coincidence or is there a reason why two of the 3 different songs (not including rhinosaur remix) have "fuck" as a major word in their choruses..? just wondering.. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 01:17:05 PDT From: "Koggle :)" Subject: hot rod death toll.. okay, if you were all pissed that i didn't scan the cd.. rejoice.. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/6953/tycobbcd.jpg but hey, i didn't say it was a good quality scan.. it sucks actually.. heheh just one thing about this single, is it a coincidence or is there a reason why two of the 3 different songs (not including rhinosaur remix) have "fuck" as a major word in their choruses..? just wondering.. OH!! and note that Ben's head is absent on the cd pic.. heh heh heh --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 01:20:54 PDT From: "Koggle :)" Subject: sorry.. .....about that.. i pressed stop, just when i remembered that i was going to say something about Ben's head.. but it must have already sent.. sorry, i know how annoying that is.. Koggle --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 02:09:15 -0700 From: RoseeMisst Subject: Superunknown has no guts? Koggle posted: >well, maybe i'm biassed.. cos BMF got me into Soundgarden.. but Superunknown may >be a great sounding CD, but it has no guts to it.. no real inner power creating >an awesome sound, like Badmotorfinger.. am i crazy or does anyone else >understand this?? > > Hmmm...I think a better way of saying that would be that SU is not as gutsy as BMF... What I'm saying is : I think SU had plenty of 'guts'. There was tons of great sounds in that 70-minute plus CD. I felt it was highly innovative. Some examples would be Fourth of July, Like Suicide, and Superunknown...music that makes me feel Chris' voice and Kim's guitar... ^~@ RoseeMisst @~^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 03:02:21 PDT From: "Koggle :)" Subject: Re: Superunknown has no guts? >Hmmm...I think a better way of saying that would be that SU is not >as gutsy as BMF... right.. i know that superunknown is a great cd.. Like Suicide and Fell on Black Days do move me.. it IS a good cd, but Badmotorfinger is my personal favourite.. it seems [to me] that it comes from their hearts, they seem to love what they're doing in BMF, and what i was meaning to get across was the fact that SU just doesn't have that same sound, in my opinion.. SU is practically perfect.. it's well polished, and the roughness of BMF gives me the impression that it's their true sound.. raw and pure.. i can't describe it.. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 12:23:53 +0200 From: Martin Ander Subject: Re: australian mtv Adriana Jacoto wrote: > > > "Live and Loud" Soundgarden - MTV Brazil. > > Set List: > > 1 - Burden in My Hand > 2 - Spoonman > 3 - Blow Up The Outside World > 4 - Mailman > 5 - Black Hole Sun > > Marcelo Jacoto > Sco Paulo, Brazil OK, I was partly wrong when I said that Aus MTV's broadcast was identical to MTV Europe's. Seems like BIMH was also recorded at this session. Would be cool to hear, someone make a soundclip!!! /martin. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 03:14:38 -0700 From: Jason Thompson Subject: Cash - Rusty Cage / LTL promo disc I finally got the Rusty Cage single with versions by Johnny Cash and SG. Cash's version was better than I anticipated. Rusty Cage is on Cash's album Unchained for those interested, but I was holding out to get this one instead. I also scored a promo copy of Louder Than Love. It's got the same tracks as the regular release, but it's a picture disc cd. The picture is a group shot of Matt, Hiro, Chris and Kim. I'll scan it this week and send the picture to Seth for the images section on his page if you want to check it out. Also got an advance copy of Faith No More's next album..Yes!! Later, J ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:50:28 +0800 From: Georgia Kennedy Subject: Thoughts on Superunknown I absolutely love BMF, and from the onset, thrashed it continuously. What I love about this album (both now and then) is it's brutal intensity and simplicity. There are a few tracks on there which showed me hints of the things yet to come, such as Searching, Room a thousand years wide, and Mindriot - these songs (to me) had something a little different to the rest. But in all, BMF captured incredible spirit, will, and attitude, that I could completely relate to myself at the time. It always makes me think about how it felt to finally know a little bit about who you are, and what life is all about. I bought SU as soon as it was released, and immediately loved it. But what I loved about it was that it was different, and showed a new SG - still ripping out intense music with killer riffs, but also with more maturity (for want of a better word!) to their writing. Songs like The day I tried to live (my all time fav) and 4th of July just speak to me in the most amazing way. In essence, this album has the same signature SG intensity, but on a more emotional level. In all, a most intricate and satisfying piece of work. georgia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:42:10 +0000 From: Trent Slade Subject: Re: Superunknown/ Temple of the Dog - Pearl Jam and Faaark!!!!! Hey, Well i'm a PJ buff :) and no their not pulling a silverchair :) Footsteps was on the original 3 track demo that Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament gave to Jack Irons who then gave it to Eddie Vedder. Anyway Eddie put lyrics to it and I guess Chris got his hands on it too and put some lyrics to it aswell :) Temple of the dog was formed around the same time Pearl Jam was formed. When ppl ask Eddie why Times of Trouble and Footsteps have the same Guitar riffs his usually says "Well I've got my version and Chris has his" Faaark I didn't know that Soundgarden mtv unplugged thing was on Rage I went to bed early caus i was fucking tired :) if I knew it was goin to be on I woulda had as many cups of coffee as possible :) seeyas Trent http://www.box.net.au/~sanity/tabs.htm http://www.box.net.au/~sanity/pearljam.htm ---------------------------------------------- "Shuddup Dillweed" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:47:24 -0500 From: The Coleman Family Subject: MORE STUFF ABOUT BREAKUP HEY PEOPLE OF THE LIST!, i WAS TALKING TO MY OLDER BROTHER YESTERDAY AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE HEARD SOUNDGARDEN WERE TAKING SEPERATE PLANES TO SHOWS AND WEREN'T EVEN TALKING TO EACH OTHER. tHEY WOULD JUST SHOW UP FOR THE GIG THEY WERE PLAYING AND THEN LEAVE AGAIN IN THEIR SEPERATE PLANES. cAN ANYONE CONFIRM THIS RUMOR? cAUSE I KNOW MOST OF THE ARTICLE WERE SAYING THAT THEY WERE ALL STILL FRIENDS AND THE DISBAND WAS "AMICABLE". dAVE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 10:50:46 -0300 From: Adriana Jacoto Subject: Re: The US/BMW discussion Adriana Jacoto wrote: > > Rebekah Henderson wrote: > > > > SAG???? Who is SAG???? Soundgarden is SG. BMW??? BMW is a car. BMF is > > Badmotorfinger. It's not Fop, it's Fopp. It's not LL. It's LTL (Louder > > Than Love) Who is Cornea????? Is that a woman?? Their lead singer is > > Chris Cornell. Hire?? As in employment??? Their ex-bassist is Hiro > > Yamamoto. AMOK?? As in someone is running amok??? I think you mean UMOK > > (Ultramega OK). US??? As in the United States??? They have an album called > > Superunknown (SU). Are you sure you're on the right mailing list??? I am > > completely and thoroughly baffled by your post. > > > > Rebekah > > > > At 02:48 PM 5/9/97 PDT, you wrote: > > >I am really enjoying the discussions about the records that opened our eyes > > >to SAG... > > > > > >I started listening to SAG when a friend brought over a copy of what I later > > >found out to be a bootleg of a show that SAG did in Seattle in 1989 (I don't > > >know where). At the time, I was into death metal and really heavy metal, so > > >SAG at the time was playing songs that are on Screaming Life/FOP and LL. > > > After my fascination with Slayer and the liked died off around junior year > > >in high school (1990), I snagged a beat up cassette of LL. from a friend, > > >and I was amazed. The heavy bass, erratic yet masterful percussion, and the > > >killer rives along with Cornea's velvet thunder was pretty much audio sex. > > >AMOK was the same. Ben's playing far outclassed Hire's, and the rest is > > >history. With BMW, I was hypnotized by that whole album. Slaves, > > >Rooms...wide and Drawing flies are my fad tracks, but the rest of the record > > >is incredible. I agree with the guy who said it is one of the best rock > > >albums ever. I think BMW defined the heavy part of the Seattle music scene > > >in the late 80s and early 90s, and introduced it to the rest of the country > > >(I am not taking anything away from the other bands from the era...) > > > > > >I just want to voice my opinion on what I consider artistic growth before I > > >go on. I don't think I know of one good artist who is content to simply > > >reproduce the works that they have "mastered," in any media. Yeah, the > > >corporate rockers of the last decade and the dinosaurs that won't die kept > > >the cookbook hits coming, but look at their fates. The live on as mere > > >images of buttock on MTV specials or have a budding acting career in B > > >movies. They weren't artists in the sense that SAG and other great bands > > >are/were. As individuals, maybe the guys from Poison were artists (I doubt > > >it?), but as a band they fucking sucked. > > > > > >Back to SAG... The transitions from the FOP/SL/AMOK sound to the LL. sound > > >to the BMW were marked in the music and the lyrical content. I enjoyed each > > >of these albums because I was able to follow the band as they matured both > > >musically and personally. It only made sense that the music would change as > > >the members changed. US was a drastic change for me from BMW, and it took a > > >while to adjust to it, partially because there was a 3 year lag between > > >albums. However, to date, US is my fad album. Like Seth said, there are > > >some tracks on there that are not as moving as others, but I don't believe > > >they were made for airily (I hope not...) 4th of July makes me unconscious > > >when I hear it. Who knows, I get in grooves where I only like AMOK or LL. > > > It'll change tomorrow... > > > > > >DOTU is a great album, but the breakup has jaded its appeal to me for awhile > > >I am afraid. Applebite speaks to me, and so does BUTOW. The rest of the > > >songs are cool, but I have a bad taste in my mouth from all of the bullshit > > >I have been hearing since the breakup. > > > > > >On a side note, did anyone see Hater last weekend at the Showbox? Who is > > >the drum tech that jumped in during the middle of the set and played? I was > > >waiting for the red headed guitar tech to pick up Ben's Gretsch and start > > >in. A good set in general. Valis was less impressive. > > > > > >If you are not at work where you are forced to use a computer on a day like > > >today, I pity you for not being outside in the nice weather in Seattle. > > > > > > You are is true Hi, List Excuse me for my collapsing english. It's "NO ATTENTION" (Chris Cornell) :-) Marcelo Jacoto SOUNDGARDEN Fan Number 1 from Brazil ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:32:22 +0300 From: Adar Subject: Re: One more thing on sg's last 2 albums i want to say something about DOTUS now u sad that SG werre capable of more and they should hire a producer and thats your opinion and i cant change your mind but my opinion is that SG has got better and better through the albums and DOTU was for my opinion the best SG album i still havent found any falts on it co`z i think the album is just perfect now i want to say something about SU you sad that it was chris`s best lyrics now still i cant say that it is wrong because its not totaly wrong see now chris is like a "majestic" song writer i think he is brilient but i dont think that there is such thing as best lyrics ofcourse there is such thing as bad and meanning less lyrics but when it comes to chris he cant get any better with what he has writen over the years co`z like the lyrics he wrote were abselutly AMAZING so i thing from temple of the dog till DOTU his lyrics were perfect! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- BEWARE: You have just been e-mail from Matt Cameron You may Replay this mail to:stimpy1@netvision.net.il ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ ---------- > From: Dave > To: SOMMS@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: One more thing on sg's last 2 albums > Date: Sunday, May 11, 1997 1:56 AM > > My last post for today, its not so much that DOTU isnt so good it just > seems like they were capable of more. Maybe they should have hired a > producer, but you know what they say, if you take guitar lessons you end > up sounding like your teacher. Superunkown wast that listenable at first > but has soundgarden ever been? Superunkown in my opinion is some of > Chris's best lyrics ever. > > thats all for today kids tune in tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 10:34:53 -0700 From: Dave Subject: Re: Superunknown/ Temple of the Dog - Pearl Jam and Faaark!!!!! > Faaark I didn't know that Soundgarden mtv unplugged thing was on Rage > I went to bed early caus i was fucking tired :) if I knew it was goin > to be on I woulda had as many cups of coffee as possible :) > > seeyas > Wait it was unplugged???? > Trent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:05:31 EST From: "Jamelah F. Earle" Subject: Re: Tribute Album and Ty Cobb single >>Wow, have I gotten behind in my digests or what?! >>Well, actually, you have no idea how far behind I am... >>ANYWAY! >>1) the latest rolling stone: bitchin' pic of the band... same >>regurgitated shit as usual though. and how fucking stupid of me... I had >>no idea Allen Ginsberg died. I cried for hours. He died April 5. Chalk >>another (and so far paramount) day of mourning in the month of April. april was pretty depressing... i found out about ginsberg and soundgarden on the same day... talk about crappy luck... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:32:43 -0400 From: Kevin Cornell Subject: HAPPY ANNIVERSERY? IM A REAL BIG FAN BUT THIS IS THE FIRST I HEARD OF SG UNPLUGGED. WAS THIS ON MTV OR WHAT? I ALSO HAD SOMETHING TO SAY IM VERY HEART BROKEN BECAUSE FRIDAY WAS THE ONE MONTH ANNIVERSY IT WAS VERY SAD FOR ME BECAUSE I AM 1 OUT OF 5 SG FANS IN MY WHOLE SCHOOL EVERYONE ELSE DOENST CARE. MY FRIEND CRIED BECAUSE HE WAS TOTALLY DEVOTED AND COULD NOT HANDLE IT. SG INFLUENCED ME AS A MUSICIAN AND MY BAND TO TRY HARDER. MATT CAMERON IS PROBABLY THE BEST DRUMMER I VE EVER HEARD. I JUST WISH I COULD HAVE HEARD THEM LIVE JUST ONCE. RIGHTY NOW IM LISTENING TO FELL O N BLACK DAYS WEARING A SUPERUNKNOWN SHIRT WRITTING ABOUT SG TO ALL YOU OTHER FANS OUT THERE THIS DIFFENETLY PROVES HOW BIG OF FAN I AM. THANK YOU AND IF YOUD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SG EMAIL ME IM DWNONUPSD1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:55:42 -0400 From: Kevin Cornell Subject: HEY LIST HEY LIST HOW MANY OF YOU LISTENED TO MIND RIOT THE DAY SG BROKE UP. THAT WAS THE SADEST PART OF MY LIFE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 12:56:39 -0700 From: Dave Subject: One year ago??? Isnt it almost time for the one year anniversery of DOTU? I forgot what day it was released on. Though I did by it that day. Just cant remember. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:05:27 -0500 From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: HAPPY ANNIVERSERY? Date sent: 11-MAY-1997 15:57:53 > IM A REAL BIG FAN BUT THIS IS THE FIRST I HEARD OF SG UNPLUGGED. WAS THIS ON >MTV OR WHAT? I ALSO HAD SOMETHING TO SAY IM VERY HEART BROKEN BECAUSE FRIDAY No. Soundgarden said that they didn't have enough material that would work acoustically, so they never did Mtv Unplugged. That sucks because they would have rocked unplugged. >WAS THE ONE MONTH ANNIVERSY IT WAS VERY SAD FOR ME BECAUSE I AM 1 OUT OF 5 SG >FANS IN MY WHOLE SCHOOL EVERYONE ELSE DOENST CARE. MY FRIEND CRIED BECAUSE HE >WAS TOTALLY DEVOTED AND COULD NOT HANDLE IT. SG INFLUENCED ME AS A MUSICIAN >AND MY BAND TO TRY HARDER. MATT CAMERON IS PROBABLY THE BEST DRUMMER I VE >EVER HEARD. I JUST WISH I COULD HAVE HEARD THEM LIVE JUST ONCE. I know the feeling. I felt terrible when they broke up, but my brother and his fiance didn't understand, and none of my friends liked them like I did. I had to resort to going to a talker and chat board to exorcise my demons about it. >RIGHTY NOW IM >LISTENING TO FELL O N BLACK DAYS WEARING A SUPERUNKNOWN SHIRT WRITTING ABOUT >SG TO ALL YOU OTHER FANS OUT THERE THIS DIFFENETLY PROVES HOW BIG OF FAN I >AM. THANK YOU AND IF YOUD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SG EMAIL ME IM DWNONUPSD1 You don't have to do ANYTHING to *prove* yourself as a fan. That was one of the cool things about Soundgarden. They didn't expect their fans to dress up like them (like the 80s metal bands did) and they didn't expect everybody to follow a certain code of behavior. So, SG fans are often very different people. I think this is great because it leads to some really fun arguments. :) I love conflict. Later, Michael Apple ************************************************** Pale in the flare light The scared light cracks and disappears And leads the scorched ones here And everywhere, no one cares the fire is spreading And no one wants to speak about it. - "4th Of July", Soundgarden ************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:51:01 -0400 From: Aaron Kamp Subject: Hater Set List, May 10, 1997 Here's the Setlist for the show at the OK on Saturday May 10: I Want You Lost Highway (Hank Williams) Try Curtis Uncontrolled Walk Alone Not Allowed Stooges Cover (only says Stooges on list) Down Undershoe The Ending North Kitsap Circles Whatsever ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 01:10:06 +0000 From: Michael M Holliday Subject: Reactions to Superunknown Hey all! I haven't posted to the list for a long time, but this reactions to Superunknown thread really caught my eye, and was something I really reacted to. I got into SG after Badmotorfinger came out, after catching them opening for Neil Young. I had heard of SG, had heard Outshined and Rusty Cage and liked them, but had never really put 2 and 2 together until the Neil Young concert. I was really blown away by Rusty Cage and Outshined live, not to mention JCP. Anyway, I went out and bought BMF and loved it right away. I worked backwards with LTL, UMOK and finally after a lot of searching, SL/FOPP. SG became without question my favorite current band, second only to Zep overall. When I heard that a new SG album was due out, I was very anxious. I was really looking forward to the album, but I was also afraid of the build- up in expectation. I hate when you get excited by a band that you didn't really know before, and then their next record comes out and it's a letdown from their previous work. I was also concerned that with all the hype around Nirvana and PJ, that SG get the recognition they deserve. I guess that's a pretty personal way to feel about a band, but I think most people on the list can appreciate what I'm saying. Anyway, I left work early the day SU came out, picked it up and went home to listen. I had heard Spoonman for a few weeks on the radio, and thought it was very interesting, but I wasn't prepared for what SU had to offer. I popped the cd in, put my headphones on and relaxed to listen. From the opening chords of Let Me Drown to the final wail of Like Suicide, I was just caught and held by SU. Usually when I listen to a new album, I listen to the songs I've heard before, and after 4 or 5, start skipping through to catch the essence of the rest. Plus on most albums, the best songs seem to come first, and the rest kind of trail off. This wasn't true for me with SU. After it finished, I took off the headphones, went downstairs and said to my mother (who happens to like SG), Soundgarden just released the greatest rock album of all time. I think what struck me the most about SU was the complete perfection of the album. Every song offers something different; the flat-out aggression of Let Me Drown, the crushing heaviness and incredible lyrics of Mailman, the experimentation of Head Down and Half (which I wasn't all that wild about until I heard the live version from the NYC Armory show, incredible!), the grinding 4th of July, Superunknown, Limo Wreck, and the amazing climax of Like Suicide. The sequencing of the album, the production and mixing, everything came together for SU. I really feel that SU is a musical benchmark, that all subsequent bands will have to measure themselves against. I have a hard time picking other cds to listen to, when I know that I could be listening to SU. Although, to be honest, I probably play BMF more often, just because when I listen to SU I need to hear the whole album. I don't think that any songs on either BMF or SU are 'skippable', but BMF seems more suited for playing in segments. I think that SU really lends itself to being played as a whole. Sorry to say, that what I was afraid of happening with SU happened with DOTU. I think that this would be a great record for most other bands, but I was disappointed in this as a SG album. I can't imagine what it would be like to try and follow-up on SU, but to me at least, there was just something lacking. Anyway, sorry for the long post, just making up for many months of lurking. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:01:38 -0600 From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: Hater Set List, May 10, 1997 Aaron Kamp wrote: > Here's the Setlist for the show at the OK on Saturday May 10: > The Ending Cool! They're doing WWC tunes live now! Did anybody boot the show? -- Chris Mackenzie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 01:13:00 +0300 From: Matt Cameron Subject: Re: ...the Mtv Europe Soundgarden Live & loud... hey i never saw foo fighters live-n-loud ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ BEWARE: You have just been e-mail from Matt Cameron You may Replay this mail to:stimpy1@netvision.net.il ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ ---------- > From: Dave > To: Adar > Subject: Re: ...the Mtv Europe Soundgarden Live & loud... > Date: Sunday, May 11, 1997 8:32 PM > > Hell Mtv america never plays the Badmotor vids anymore. All they play is > Blow up the outside world, and they havent even played that in a while. > Im just wondering howcome we dont get to see the Live and Loud? We got > to see the Foo Fighters do one, but that was it. Maybe its becuase Mtv > feels Soundgarden aint cool anymore I guess. > > Adar wrote: > > > > well i can tell u one thing i like get mtv-europe and like its not so great > > when it comes to soundgarden ok they done this live-n-loud thing but they > > almost dont show SG videos like they do in mtv-america and if they do show > > some video they only show BHS and BIMH and PN they sometimes do play > > spoonman but like i still never saw like JCP and Outshined and rusty cage > > and the day i tried to live and fell on black days and flower and i also > > get this asian music channel called channel V and thats the only way i can > > see BUTOS co`z they baned it from mtv-europe thats why i download all of > > the videos from seth`s page (but i saw the videos from the "alive in the > > superunknown cd-rom") > > byebye > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------- > > BEWARE: You have just been e-mail from Matt Cameron > > You may Replay this mail to:stimpy1@netvision.net.il > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------ > > > > ---------- > > > > > > What I want to know is howcome us american Mtv watchers > > never get to > > > see anything cool? All american mtv did was fire those lame vjs, well I > > > kinda miss Idalis. Does anyone have any mtv non american soundgarden > > > vids they want to trade???? I have to concerts on tape and thats all. > > > They are pretty good to. > > > > > > Dave proud member of the soundgarden preservation society. > > > "screw the crew 97" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:24:49 PDT From: "Koggle :)" Subject: Re: MORE STUFF ABOUT BREAKUP >i WAS TALKING TO MY OLDER BROTHER YESTERDAY AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE HEARD >SOUNDGARDEN WERE TAKING SEPERATE PLANES TO SHOWS AND WEREN'T EVEN TALKING >TO EACH OTHER. tHEY WOULD JUST SHOW UP FOR THE GIG THEY WERE PLAYING AND >THEN LEAVE AGAIN IN THEIR SEPERATE PLANES. > > >cAN ANYONE CONFIRM THIS RUMOR? cAUSE I KNOW MOST OF THE ARTICLE WERE SAYING >THAT THEY WERE ALL STILL FRIENDS AND THE DISBAND WAS "AMICABLE". Dave, when i saw them in Brisbane, Matt left after all the other guys did.. so that's confirmation for ya.. Koggle --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:42:28 EDT From: seth Subject: Re: MORE STUFF ABOUT BREAKUP > Dave, when i saw them in Brisbane, Matt left after all the other > guys did.. so that's confirmation for ya.. Sometimes I cannot believe what people say on this list. The fact that one member of the band left the venue after a show at a different time than the other members of the band has ZERO to do with ANYTHING. It absolutely boggles the mind to think that Matt leaving a show at a different time than the other guys would say to you that the band was having problems. They travel to shows, do their thing, and then they just do whatever they want. They were never obligated to roam around in a pack. How about Chicago? Kim has family and friends in Chicago. Does the fact that he didn't go out to the bar after the first show with Matt and Ben mean that the band was on the verge of breaking up or that said breakup was in some way not amicable? No, it probably means he just had something else to do. Please, try to demonstrate that you're more intelligent than the average music journalist and instead of jumping to conclusions and trying find a story where there isn't one to be found, live with the facts. seth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 17:08:26 PDT From: "Koggle :)" Subject: Re: hot rod death toll.. >hee hee your scan is funny chris has no mouth!! :) hehehe yeah it's funny lookin', but that's what the pic is like.. it's really overexposed, and he actually doesn't have a mouth.. oh what a hell this world would be if that were true.. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 17:25:44 PDT From: "Koggle :)" Subject: Re: MORE STUFF ABOUT BREAKUP >Sometimes I cannot believe what people say on this list. The fact that >one member of the band left the venue after a show at a different time >than the other members of the band has ZERO to do with ANYTHING. It >absolutely boggles the mind to think that Matt leaving a show at a >different time than the other guys would say to you that the band was >having problems. They travel to shows, do their thing, and then they >just do whatever they want. They were never obligated to roam around >in a pack. > did i say that matt leaving seperately meant that there were probs? i was simply replying that i saw first-hand truth about the rumour that they travelled separately.. nothing more, nothing less.. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:00:21 -0400 From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: Hater Set List, May 10, 1997 At 03:01 PM 5/11/97 -0600, Chris Mackenzie wrote: >Cool! They're doing WWC tunes live now! Did anybody boot the show? the show was booted, and the taper was standing in front of susan silver the whole time. now, *that's* chutzpah ;-) (no, we don't know how the tape came out and no, i don't have it so don't write me asking for it) --caryn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:02:29 -0400 From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: MORE STUFF ABOUT BREAKUP At 05:25 PM 5/11/97 PDT, Koggle :) wrote: >did i say that matt leaving seperately meant that there were probs? i was simply >replying that i saw first-hand truth about the rumour that they travelled >separately.. nothing more, nothing less.. ah, BULLSHIT. you said you saw him leave ONE, repeat, *1* show separately. none of us, you included, have any knowledge or factual information as to WHY. seeing one band member leave one show separately doesn't confirm any rumor. why do you people so delight in trying to find things where there is nothing to find????? you would think you didn't like soundgarden very much at all from the way some of you are carrying on. and would those of you sending messages in ALL CAPS please stop. thank you. --caryn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:09:15 EST From: Saskia Becher Subject: AusMtv - Kinda to the Aussies of the list....sorry Hey all >Faaark I didn't know that Soundgarden mtv unplugged thing was on Rage > I went to bed early caus i was fucking tired :) if I knew it was >goin to be on I woulda had as many cups of coffee as possible :) > Does anyone know more about this??? And did anyone tape this?? Sassy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:39:20 -0400 From: "Christopher M. Farley" Subject: Recording .AU or .AIFF files I saw this band in my old collage town this weekend, The Bob Walters. They were a quasi Nirvana/Seattle/Grunge/Retro thing. They did however do a psuedo old school Beastie Boys thing with samples of all kinds of stuff in it. There was a little sample of spoonman included. I bought the tape and want to send a file to seth to post (Its pretty humourus actually.) .Wav files are just way to big. Where can I find programs to record .au or .aiff files? Anyone... Anyone... ? Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:00:00 -0400 From: Kelly Carter Subject: Superunknown song i was reading on seth's site, and it said that there was a 16th song on the international version of superunkown.... what was it? thanks... ~Kelly ~ i reach deep into your mind... and pull you inside out. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:16:59 -0500 From: Vince Varkey Subject: by the roadside Since some people were bringing this subject up, does anyone have any info on Hater bootlegs? Does anyone here actually *have* any video or audio Hater boots? If you do..contact me : ) -vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:26:54 -0700 From: Rachel Thompson Subject: SOUNDGARDEN VIDEOS! Hey Sommsters, Does anyone have any Soundgarden videos? I have never recieved MTV so I have never seen any of the videos. If anyone has any of the videos, I would love it! I would pay you for the video, shipping, and the time it took you to get it together for me. Thanks alot. Peace Love Empathy Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:46:42 -0400 From: Antonia Navarro Subject: Re: Soundgarden cats My cat starts attacking me when I listen to SG. He's always attacking me! I guess it gets him hyper or something, but he's always wild anyway. It gets him going, kind of like what it does to me somethimes. I go on a rush when I listen to BMF.... -antonia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 23:37:29 -0400 From: Joe Cennamo Subject: Re: Tribute Album and Ty Cobb single Jamelah F. Earle wrote: Subject: Re: Superunknown song I believe it was "She Likes Surprises." I didn't know it was an international version though. I thought it was just an Australian deal like Down Under On The Upside. Rebekah At 10:00 PM 5/11/97 -0400, you wrote: > i was reading on seth's site, and it said that there was a 16th song on the >international version of superunkown.... what was it? thanks... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Kelly > > >~ i reach deep into your mind... and pull you inside out. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:15:42 -0600 From: Scott Brooks Subject: Re: superunknown This is to clear up any offence I may have caused people by my post Re: superunknow. I did not say that you have to listen to songs that you don't like and appreciate the good parts. I said that you should be able to listen to songs you "may not like that much." I'm not telling anyone what to do. I just think that there is something good to be appreciated in everything in life, not just specifically music. Thank you, Sincerely, Scott Brooks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 00:26:50 EDT From: seth Subject: Inflatable Soule Only tangentially related: Inflatable Soule is featured in iMusic's new Indie Music Showcase at http://imusic.interserv.com/showcase/indie/infla.html - there's a clip of "Sudden Titles" there. seth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:57:27 +1000 From: justin nicholls Subject: here we are, crying in the night... another week, another song. lucky number four is 'head down'. I hope you enjoy my rather amateurish analysis (which hopefully will also be easier for you to read than it was for me to write). the stuff you know - track number six from my favourite soundgarden record, 'head down' runs for just over six minutes. both the music and lyrics were composed by bassist ben shepherd. the record itself (_superunknown_) was produced by michael beinhorn and soundgarden, mixed by brendan obrien, engineered by jason corsaro and assisted in both engineering and mixing by adam kasper. from what Ive read, the relationship between band and producer was a little strained after four long months in the studio, so the band elected to act on the wise advice of stone gossard and hired o'brien to mix the final product (although, I have also read that beinhorn basically declined to mix the record). additional drum and percussion tracks are credited to ben and gregg keplinger. the music - okay, I'm man enough to admit it. this song was not one of my favourites after my first hearing of _superunknown_. don't get me wrong, I didn't think it was bad. but within the context of the album 'head down' just wasn't as immediate or as striking as something like 'the day I tried to live'. mabye chris' voice was just a little too difficult to get into the first few times around. then, as I listened more, I came to regard 'head down' as one of the real "hidden" gems of _superunknown_; along with with 'fresh tendrils' and 'she likes surprises'. now I feel that 'head down' is perhaps _superunknown's_ *best* song, a song that is not only an excellent composition in it's own right but a song that really widened my perception of what soundgarden was and what they could truly achieve with their music. quite a progression, wouldn't you say? What I respect most about 'head down' is it's texture and sense of depth, a depth that "you can put your hand into, fish around and get something" (kim, musician 1994). while it retains an amount of the psychadelia that pervades many early soundgarden songs, 'head down' also feels very real, a texture and there-ness that I believe is missing in some of soundgardens early work. instead of going for the throat like so many songs from previous records, ben has written a song that manages to exist within itself but still promise more without resorting to pure bombast. I also admire 'head down' because of its contrast; it really is unlike anything ben wrote before or after (for soundgarden, at any rate) and is similarly unlike just about anything else the band recorded over their twelve year career. Where I'm going with this, I don't know. it is difficult to convey what a song means to you on a personal level, not to mention the question of why. it's tough to explain the unexplainable, y'know? maybe I'll try sticking to the particulars . The introduction is somewhat offbeat (there is no break between this and the end of superunknown), but soon slides into a guitar refrain that you know well by the time the song has run its course. Guitar parts are added incrementally, building a sense of anticipation and growth. Once the verse riff is unveiled you understand that head down possesses a simple elegance that will entrance your ears again and again. The songs rhythm is awesome in many regards, perhaps due to the warmth of chris acoustic guitar and the largely percussive nature of the song itself. The performance really is wonderful. There is a sense of completeness, yet there is also a feeling of movement and opportunity, space enough to push the song in ways that arent necessarily obvious. Maybe it is a form of conflict or tension, a tension that is continually resolving till the final note rings out. While the songs overall tone is dark, bleak, or whatever, there is a note of hope that is not only borne out in the lyrics but in the chord progression itself (but then again, Im probably just hearing things). The songs mood is haunting, but uplifting in some undefinable way. I dont know. maybe Im just reading too much into it. I do know that as dense as it sometimes sounds, there is a lot of space to head down, perhaps more than can ever be explored in six minutes. Musician by musician - ben wrote the song, so Ill talk about his performance first. Yes, the song rocks. Perfect in almost every detail. In fact, Id give my eye teeth to hear his original demo, including vocals. It would be an early sketch of a masterpiece, something to treasure. I also appreciate that head down is very much unique, in that it sounds little like any of his other songs. His bass isnt particularly prominent in the mix, the guitars (especially acoustic) and drums pretty much occupy the front of the speakers. But after repeated listens, you can hear him. Hes definitely there. In fact, after repeated listens I cant hear much else but ben, his ominous rumble a brilliant counterpoint to kims sometimes lilting/sometimes haunting leads. His playing is decidedly simple for the bulk of the song, but during the instrumental interlude (roughly 2:40-3:50) he adds a number of grace notes and alternate lines, becoming just a little more complex. Then at approximately the five minute mark he fades from the mix; perhaps to concentrate on his shared percussive role. On that note, ben and greggs drumming contribution isnt readily apparent to me. I do note, however, percussive elements throughout the songs breadth that I can attribute to ben and gregg. During the instrumental break there a couple of cool moments, and at 1:42 there is an interesting crashing from the right speaker. but I dont think they were supposed to be taken by themselves, but are meant to be heard in the songs own context. And in that they are successful. Chris also plays an important part in head down. The lyrics - Sandwiched between the hope of superunknown (if this isnt making sense, it doesnt make it lies) and the search for salvation of black hole sun (heaven send hell away), head down is in a difficult position. which way does it turn, to the dark or to the light? Interestingly, it provides a stepping stone between the two, pushing the tone and the listener towards more usual soundgarden territory - depression and helplessness. ----------------------------------------------- in your real life, treat it like it's special in your real life, try to be more kind in your real life, think of those that love you in this real life, try to be less blind words by vernon reid ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:59:15 +1000 From: justin nicholls Subject: forget that last one, the real one will come in sometime soon... foolishly, I just posted a draft of my most recent soundgarden songbook . kindly delete it and wait (if you're interested) for the real thing. I'm sure it needs more work... justin ----------------------------------------------- in your real life, treat it like it's special in your real life, try to be more kind in your real life, think of those that love you in this real life, try to be less blind words by vernon reid ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 11 May 1997 to 12 May 1997 ************************************************