Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 02:00:02 -0400 Reply-To: Soundgarden Mailing List Sender: Soundgarden Mailing List Subject: SOMMS Digest - 1 May 1997 to 5 May 1997 There are 18 messages totalling 590 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. the feel of soundgarden 2. RS TOP 200 ALBUMS (2) 3. Jesus Christ Poses 4. exploitation (2) 5. checking... 6. Matt's Song and others 7. dont read this 8. Attention Netscape 4 and Microsoft Exchange users 9. Down Under On The Upside.......explanation, plea, and a warning! 10. muchmusic/hater 11. corporate magazines *still* suck 12. hater at the showbox 5/2 13. Caryn Rose/CrappyCorporateMags 14. CrappyCorporateMags 15. rage 16. 1 year ago, last Friday... ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from SOMMS, send a message to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU ** with the following in the *body*: ** ** SIGNOFF SOMMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 05:24:28 PDT From: "Koggle :)" Subject: the feel of soundgarden ....hello there this is my first post to this mailing list and i agree that there's alot of levels in SG's music.. one night i couldn't sleep and put DOTU on and REALLY listened to Blow up the Outside world.. oh man.. was that an experience.. hehehe it was like i was flying, or feeling the same way anyway.. soundgarden help me out when i'm down too.. i'm looking for SOMMS in australia too.. anyone know how hard that's gonna be? hehe yup, there was a J-file about the guys when they toured australia.. and i'm so glad i got to see them before they broke up.. :) anyone ever touched Chris Cornell? heheh umm i have.. outside after a show i touched him on the back.. big deal, you might say, but i was ecstatic for days.. *grin* kogg --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 09:59:05 -0400 From: janet adams Subject: RS TOP 200 ALBUMS Hey All. In regards to SU being left off of RS top 200 albums I remember reading way back in '91 how Nirvana's Nevermind album only got *** out of *****. In '94 SU got **** out of ***** so somewhere along the line Nevermind either improved or SU got worse. Does anyone know if the Smashing Pumpkins made it. RS gave them *** stars for Mellon Collie. Oh yeah, to all you yanks looking for a really good band out there look no further than Toronto's treble charger (there first major-label album is out tomarrow.) They've sited Sonic Youth, R.E.M. Nirvana and Soundgarden as major influences. Great band. BYE FOR NOW. WES ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 04:26:50 -0000 From: kimberly mcclure Subject: Re: Jesus Christ Poses This is in reply to the letter sent: From: DustyGrrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Jesus Christ Poses I do not know what Bush video you are talking about since i rarely watch any Bush materials, however i think they got the idea of the crucifix in the jar of urine from a Mapplethorpe photograph. The photograph depicted a Crucfix submerged in a jar of urine. When first released the photo caused an uproar. No matter where the image came from, I agree with your letter and would also add that it shows Bush own lack of originality. But who the hell ever thought that band was original, especially with a name like Bush. And those people that think Gavin is better looking than Chris, share the same Sub-Zero I.Q. as Gavin and his Bush band. In my humble opinion...*smile*. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 10:52:42 +0000 From: Stella Rogers Subject: exploitation Well its been almost over a month now since the break up. I'm slowly getting over it. What I haven't gotten over, is certain companies (http://www.blockbuster.com/sound/) exploiting the break up to make more money. Yeah, yeah, I know. It is a business, therefore it has to make money. But really, basically saying things like, "BUY BUY BUY NOW, EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM!!!" I should mouth off to blockbuster... stella ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 23:27:20 +0300 From: Adar Subject: checking... this is a mail just for me to check if it works ok?? thanx... hehe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- BEWARE: You have just been e-mail from Matt Cameron You may Replay this mail to:stimpy1@netvision.net.il ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 13:33:27 -0700 From: gene Subject: Matt's Song and others --------------B33DB99795D5EC7F18B0F282 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Golly gee whiz where the hell is everyone? From Addicted to Noise: > Addicted To Noise Senior Writer Gil Kaufman reports: In a new spin on the > old James Brown plea to "give the drummer some," an album due out this > summer aims to give a gang of alternative rock drummers their due. > > Called Flyin' Traps, the instrumental percussion record on Hollywood > Records features ex-Soundgarden drummer Matt Cameron on a self-penned tune > called "Theme From Holy-O," the Flaming Lips' Steven Drozd playing his > composition "Headphones Theme From Seemingly Infinity," Porno For Pyros' > Stephen Perkins doing his tune "Monkey in Brazil," Mudhoney's Dan Peters > covering Ray Davies' (Kinks) "Do You Remember Walter?," and the Melvins' > Dale Crover with the appropriately sick, "Vomit and Orange Juice." > > Other artists on the collection, produced by Redd Kross' Brian Reitzell, > include: Reitzell "Snake and Mongoose," former drummer J. Mascis (Dinosaur > Jr.) "Car!," Barrett Martin (Screaming Trees/Tuatara) "Barnburner," Joey > Waronker (Beck) "Chorkle is Dead," Josh Freese (Slider/Paul Westerberg) > "The Gay 90's," Tim "Herb" Alexander (ex-Primus/Laundry) "Choked," Mac > McNeilly (ex-Jesus Lizard) "Lime," Michael Musburger (Fastbacks) "Noodles," > Alexis Fleisig (Girls Against Boys) "Don't Ruin Me Gorgeous" and Chris > Vrenna (ex-NIN) "The Steel Box." > > In the liner notes to the collection, Modern Drummer magazine Assistant > Editor Adam Budofsky, says of the contributions, "I'd wager that even > listeners who recognize the names of the drummers on Flyin' Traps will be > pretty surprised by the diverse and mesmerizing sounds they discover here. > The full spectrum not only of drumming, but of musical expression is > represented, from Barrett Martin's squelchy urban jungle, to Stephen > Drozd's cosmic sonic space voyage, to Joey Waronker's sinister avant-garde > groove experiment--to Dan Peters' neat re-interpretation of Ray Davies > jewel." -- gene --------------B33DB99795D5EC7F18B0F282 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
Golly gee whiz where the hell is everyone?
From Addicted to Noise:
Addicted To Noise Senior Writer Gil Kaufman reports: In a new spin on the
old James Brown plea to "give the drummer some," an album due out this
summer aims to give a gang of alternative rock drummers their due.

Called Flyin' Traps, the instrumental percussion record on Hollywood
Records features ex-Soundgarden drummer Matt Cameron on a self-penned tune
called "Theme From Holy-O," the Flaming Lips' Steven Drozd playing his
composition "Headphones Theme From Seemingly Infinity," Porno For Pyros'
Stephen Perkins doing his tune "Monkey in Brazil," Mudhoney's Dan Peters
covering Ray Davies' (Kinks) "Do You Remember Walter?," and the Melvins'
Dale Crover with the appropriately sick, "Vomit and Orange Juice."

Other artists on the collection, produced by Redd Kross' Brian Reitzell,
include: Reitzell "Snake and Mongoose," former drummer J. Mascis (Dinosaur
Jr.) "Car!," Barrett Martin (Screaming Trees/Tuatara) "Barnburner," Joey
Waronker (Beck) "Chorkle is Dead," Josh Freese (Slider/Paul Westerberg)
"The Gay 90's," Tim "Herb" Alexander (ex-Primus/Laundry) "Choked," Mac
McNeilly (ex-Jesus Lizard) "Lime," Michael Musburger (Fastbacks) "Noodles,"
Alexis Fleisig (Girls Against Boys) "Don't Ruin Me Gorgeous" and Chris
Vrenna (ex-NIN) "The Steel Box."

In the liner notes to the collection, Modern Drummer magazine Assistant
Editor Adam Budofsky, says of the contributions, "I'd wager that even
listeners who recognize the names of the drummers on Flyin' Traps will be
pretty surprised by the diverse and mesmerizing sounds they discover here.
The full spectrum not only of drumming, but of musical expression is
represented, from Barrett Martin's squelchy urban jungle, to Stephen
Drozd's cosmic sonic space voyage, to Joey Waronker's sinister avant-garde
groove experiment--to Dan Peters' neat re-interpretation of Ray Davies
jewel."
--
gene --------------B33DB99795D5EC7F18B0F282-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 23:42:14 +0300 From: Matt Cameron Subject: dont read this checking this thing ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ BEWARE: You have just been e-mail from Matt Cameron You may Replay this mail to:stimpy1@netvision.net.il ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 17:17:10 EDT From: seth Subject: Attention Netscape 4 and Microsoft Exchange users Hello all, Listserv seems to be working - hopefully nobody had any trouble subscribing. If anyone has any specific problems, let me know. For those of you who are using Netscape 4 to send email, please please please follow the instructions for disabling HTML messages found at http://cnet.com/Content/Features/Howto/Communicator/tip39.html - since I no longer compile the digests manually, the uselsss HTML version of your message will be appended to the text version and take up unnecessary space. For those of you who are using Microsoft Exchange, please follow the directions at http://www.creativelement.com/win95ann/win95ann5.html#13 to prevent a similar problem caused by Microsoft's MIME and rich-text features. You may also want to check out the tip found at http://www.creativelement.com/win95ann/win95ann5.html#15. seth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 17:16:46 -0400 From: Larry Grover Subject: Re: exploitation Stella Rogers wrote: > > Well its been almost over a month now since the break up. I'm slowly > getting over it. What I haven't gotten over, is certain companies > (http://www.blockbuster.com/sound/) exploiting the break up to make > more money. Yeah, yeah, I know. It is a business, therefore it has to > make money. But really, basically saying things like, "BUY BUY BUY > NOW, EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM!!!" I should mouth off to > blockbuster... > > stella Yeah, I checked out this site. Pretty cheesy!!! I mean, the regular releases are NOT going to go out of print overnight!! Sheesh!! When was the last time you saw a shortage of Nirvana, or Led, or anybody else that was ever popular on a major? As long as there's a buck to be made the albums will be available. What, are they trying to start some sort of feeding frenzy? GRRRRRRRR!!!! Jen Grover (back from vacation and almost caught up) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 06:54:09 +0930 From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: Down Under On The Upside.......explanation, plea, and a warning! Hi folks, A while back now I was silly enough to outlay quite a lot of money on = behalf of some Sommsters - for the (as then we were told "limited and = found only in Australia") DUOTU 2-pack CD. I bought several, and sent = them out to my fellow Sommsters as they sent their money into me. I say silly, because I am still out of pocket - I have a CD here that = someone had promised me they would buy, but still haven't sent any = money. Now I am sick of waiting (it's been over three months now), so = it's for anyone out there who wants it. Please email me privately if = you definitely want the disks, and we'll arrange payment. I am NOT = doing this to make extra money - all I want is repayment for what I paid = originally, plus postage! I can give several Sommster references - from = those who paid me their money and who all received their CDs. And a warning to people out there who might think of buying something = for someone and actually sending it off before getting any payment: = DON'T DO IT!!!! I lost money over the Nothingman shirt incident, and = looks like I might be losing more here. :-( Carolyn the Miffed and Furious ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 17:40:09 -0400 From: Larry Grover Subject: muchmusic/hater Does anyone out there have any of this wonderful Muchmusic video stuff on tape?? If so PLEASE let me know what you have and what you want for a copy. I do have stuff to trade. Also, did anyone go to the Hater show Fri. nite? If so, post a review, PLEASE! And is there ANY Hater bootleg stuff, audio or video, anywhere?? Jen Grover ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 19:05:06 -0400 From: Leslie Campbell Subject: Re: RS TOP 200 ALBUMS <> No, Smashing Pumpkins didn't make it either. But FUCKING HOLE DID. So did FUCKING PAVEMENT. Chris could fart a better tune than either of those bands as a whole could create, yet their albums are essential and SG's are not? Please. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 20:18:00 -0400 From: Caryn Rose Subject: corporate magazines *still* suck i'd started a message with that subject header a while back and never finished it. but since it seems that we are still up in arms over it, i'm gonna write about it anyway. ;-) the subject header says it all. i don't know why everyone is up in arms - rolling stone stopped being the bastion of the counterculture or even a publication that serious music lovers pay heed to ages ago. i don't care what some ultra-corporate megalith says (or doesn't say) about any band i care about. there are a few writers left who i care for, but a very few. but it's the fact of who they are, not because they write for rolling stone, that makes me value their opinions. i don't need a magazine to validate my musical choices. none of us should need it. so i could care less what they say about my favorite bands. do i think this is 'punishment' for speaking out against them? i don't think so -- r.e.m. and hole and pearl jam were in there, and they were all kinda vocal about how much they hate rolling stone. do i think it was a stupid oversight? yes. but look at that stupid list of the 'top 40 alternative albums' that spin published a few months back. nine inch nails was, what, #1? and frickin' *garbage* was above sg and pj? (no disrespect intended to anyone who likes garbage, but you have to admit that a band that's released one album thus far cannot be judged to have contributed anything substantial to "alternative" music, even if butch vig IS part of the band...) corporate magazines still suck. ;-) --caryn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 20:26:37 -0400 From: Caryn Rose Subject: hater at the showbox 5/2 to our utter dismay, this show was hyped big time by the local sucky alterna-station. yes, it was a great bill (huge spacebird, hater, valis [members of tad, mudhoney, screaming trees, etc.] and the fastbacks) but we know perfectly well that they have never paid any attention to hater before and wouldn't be doing so now if it wasn't for the fact that soundgarden broke up. so the crowd was full of ppl who could care less about hater and were there to gawk. luckily hater was second on the bill so it wasn't too crowded by the time they came on, since most ppl of course assumed that they were headlining this bill. not that i expected loads o' personality and snappy stage patter from ben, but a 'hello, thank you for coming' might have been nice. there was ZERO between-songs chat and zero eye contact with the audience by any of the band. the set was paralyzed for at least the first 5 songs by the worst mix i have EVER heard. you could NOT hear the vocals to save your life. and when someone in the crowd yelled something to that effect, ben's predictable response was something abusive like "i'll give you some vocals, fucknut". after the mix was sorted out, i have to say that it was a really good set. ben's guitar playing is improving, matt was, well, matt cameron. ;-) but the audience was dead, except for a couple obnoxious fratboys near the front (yes, we were sitting in the back near the soundboard, as far away as we could get ;-) ). no one was moving around or even seemed to be paying much attention and there was little if no applause or response between songs. i wonder if this wasn't a little too big of a venue for them (800). they seemed kind of lost. they ended abruptly and left the stage. aaron got the setlist and posted it earlier. oh, there was a DAT hooked up to the soundboard for the set. i cannot imagine they are thinking of a live hater album but who knows. ;-) no pictures, no tapes -- i may shoot the ok hotel show next week but i don't know if i want to be that near the stage. next week they open for eleven and the ok is a nicer, much more intimate venue, and it is, of course, the ok ;-) --caryn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 20:28:20 -0500 From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: Caryn Rose/CrappyCorporateMags Date sent: 4-MAY-1997 20:23:26 Caryn, I agreed one hundred percent that music magazines opinions of Soundgarden shouldn't affect out opinion on them and their music. But I think that we should still be up in arms over that Rolling Stone "best" 200 albums article. The reason I say that is because these magazines are going to be the record that people may refer to years from now, when the whole Seattle grunge scene fades into history. I think that it's our duty to make sure that these bozos in these magazines get their facts straight. If we don't get outraged about it and force some changes, people in the future might get the wrong impression about our music. So, while it's fundamental that we listen to music that we like, not because of some dumbass reporter's opinion (music reviews are complete crap in my opinion), we've got to make sure that the truth comes through in magazine articles. If we aren't part of the solution, we're part of the problem. Later, Michael Apple ************************************************** Pale in the flare light The scared light cracks and disappears And leads the scorched ones here And everywhere, no one cares the fire is spreading And no one wants to speak about it. - "4th Of July", Soundgarden ************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 20:58:01 -0400 From: Caryn Rose Subject: CrappyCorporateMags At 08:28 PM 5/4/97 -0500, MICHAEL APPLE wrote: >But I >think that we should still be up in arms over that Rolling Stone "best" 200 >albums article. > The reason I say that is because these magazines are going to be the >record that people may refer to years from now, when the whole Seattle >grunge scene fades into history. I think that it's our duty to make sure >that these bozos in these magazines get their facts straight. If we don't >get outraged about it and force some changes, people in the future might >get the wrong impression about our music. "force" some changes?! and how exactly do you propose that we will have any effect on them? and on what do you base your assertion that "these magazines are going to be the record that people may refer to years from now"? why a magazine, as opposed to a book, of which there have been several excellent ones? why not a movie such as hype!? why not a magazine such a time or newsweek, who covered the "grunge revolution"? this sounds like all the pearl jam fans who were up in ARMS over the rolling stone hatchet-job about eddie. they wanted to organize petitions, a letter-writing campaign, etc. and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. they don't give a shit about what *we* think, because we are not their target audience! rolling stone is aimed at people who listen to the radio for background music and buy records based on impulse. those are the people who need to be told what to buy and for whom a top 200 list will impress. good music is good music, period. rolling stone has done these top 100/200 albums before and there were always bands missing and i don't see any band who had a real impact fading away. who, precisely, will be relying on rolling stone as a guide in the future? anyone who relies on rolling stone, and only rolling stone, deserves what they get. soundgarden do not need any stupid corporate magazine to ensure their place in rock history. they as a band have already ensured that. their albums aren't going to be disappearing out of the record store any time in the near or distant future. i'm sure that whatever future musical ventures the individual members take part in will keep their back catalogue in stock for many years to come. > So, while it's fundamental that we listen to music that we like, not >because of some dumbass reporter's opinion (music reviews are complete crap >in my opinion), we've got to make sure that the truth comes through in >magazine articles. If we aren't part of the solution, we're part of the >problem. the rolling stone top 200 was not a factual article about the band. it was an OPINION. it's just one big record review. has nothing to do with "truth". --caryn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 23:42:25 -0400 From: Larry Grover Subject: rage Does anybody have the Soundgarden rage stuff on video? If so, please let me know!! Jen Grover ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 22:52:47 -0500 From: Ben Timberlake Subject: 1 year ago, last Friday... I met my first fellow-sommster in person at the listening party for Down On The Upside. Those were happier days, huh, Toni? Anyway, I was out the other night and remembered that it had been a year since that date. A lot has changed since then. I went from having never seen Soundgarden Live to seeing them three times and getting to shake hands with them. I got a new album, some roio's, and met even more sommsters. Oh, and the band broke up, too. So much happens in a year... -- Ben p.s. When I turned 19 last May, I vowed to do something so that I didn't hit 20 and think, 'what the hell am I doing with my life?' Well, if anyone can think of something that would take less than a week, could you let me know? Time's a-wastin'. Ben Timberlake This is the way the world ends Northwestern University Medill School of Journalism pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~bft718 btimlake@nwu.edu -30- HAMM: [Soft.] What'll I do? [Pause. In a scream.] WHAT'LL I DO? -- Beckett, "Endgame" ------------------------------ End of SOMMS Digest - 1 May 1997 to 5 May 1997 **********************************************