From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 24 Apr 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 02:31:37 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 24 Apr 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: soundgarden Kerrang Tribute Re: Kim and Chris at the library? Ty Cobb single Re: hey man.... Re: Ty Cobb single Some predictions Karaoke and Bleed Together allstarmag article headbanger's ball Karen's at it again... random notes Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 23 Apr 1997 Re: Solo project skeptic confusion Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 23 Apr 1997 Solo project skeptic "An Ode to Soundgarden" Re: Solo project skeptic Re: Karen's at it again... Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 23 Apr 1997 _The Rocket_ article on the breakup RE: _The Rocket_ article on the breakup Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 22 Apr 1997 wellwater conspiracy Re: _The Rocket_ article on the breakup Re: Things that make you go "Hmmm..." Tape Tree Re: ["Karaoke" review] Re: All the news that's fit to print some more thoughts on cc solo Re: Things that make you go "Hmmm..." All the news that's fit to print ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "GOOD PAUL" Subject: soundgarden Who were the orginial members of Soundgarden and why did they break up? My e-mail address is Goodp@hotmail.com Thanks Paul ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Kerrang Tribute Good ol' Kerrang! This week's issue (645 - 26.4.97) includes an 8 page mini poster pull-out of our guys. If anyone wants to order an issue, email kerrang@dial.pipex.com - not me :-) But I have to say there's only a couple of pix that I haven't seen before (which I will of course send to Seth) - mostly on Seth's site. And the 'posters' are A3 size.The most interesting one is Chris on stage from their first ever London show. And this is what Kerrang says.... "SOUNDGARDEN 1985-1997 "At 9am on April 9, a short 32-word statement was read out on air by Seattle radio station KNDD The End stating that Soundgarden had split. For a band who have sold in excess of 20 million albums around the world, it was a remarkably low-key way to end a 12 year career. Then again, Soundgarden have always been low-key blokes. "Thankfully, there are no drawn-out, pocket-filling farewell tours on the horizon. There are no unreleased 'Garden tracks buried int he A&M vaults that will end up on a dog-ended posthumous album. For once, it seems as though the foursome of frontman Chris Cornell, guitarist Kim Thayil, drummer Matt Cameron and bassist Ben Shepherd have bowed out with dignity." This eight-page pull out celebrates Soundgarden as they were. From their first London show (May 12, 1989 - pictured above) through to their last photo session for Kerrang!, it's a fitting tribute to one of the most influentuial bands of the last decade." ..... Aaaah, bless. Actually, I *think* they meant that for once *a band* bowed out with dignity, rather that it was the first time Soundgarden had behaved with dignity, but it's the thought that counts :-) Elsewhere in this issue, in the US Mail section: Don Kaye in New York writes... "It's depressing to think that we can no longer look forward to a new Soundgarden record every year or two, but it's also cool to think that we'll never have to hear a *bad* Soundgarden album. It's an inevitable fact of life that most bands go into a gradual decline as their best ideas and initial chemistry slowly but surely fade into the past. I'd rather have five killer albums by any band than five good ones and five unlistenable ones. And there's no doubt that these four guys will prosper individually with their own projects. I wish them the best of luck." Kevan Roberts In Seattle writes... Soundgarden's decision to call it a day after some 12 years together has brought some predictable reactions from assorted celebrities and others in their Seattle home town. It's also prompted a few slightly bizarre comments as well. ' They're genius,' Pearl Jam guitarist Mike McCready told The Seattle Times. ' They single-handedly destroyed '80s music. You can hear it in songs like Tighter and Tighter, Flower, Limo Wreck, Fopp. They just put out great music. They were true originators.' ' I hardly know what to say,' was the comment from former Nirvana bassist Krist Novaselic (now, of course, leading his own band Sweet 75). 'I'm saddened, but they're all strong individuals, so I know they'll do all right. They'll move on.' Acknowledging what many others were thinking, Novaselic said that Soundgarden's decision to split up signified the end of the most crucial era in the history of the Seattle music scene. Reminiscing about the earliest days of the grunge movement, Novaselic added: ' I remember back in 1988, Nirvana were supposed to open for Soundgarden down in Olympia, outside in a car park. so we went and saw them play in some tavern earlier, just to check them out. And Chris Cornell was just going at it. He was literally insane. Kurt Cobain was standing next to me looking at them, shaking is head going, 'No way. There's just no way we can open for them.' They were definitely THE grunge band. But I guess all things must come to an end.' Meantime, a record store worker at Tower in Seattle, where Soundgarden could regularly be seen browsing the racks - strangely compared the breakup of the band to when '80s band The Police split up. Let's hope this doesn't mean that Cornell will turn into a late '90's version of Sting! And another Tower employee told a local reporter: 'It's kind of like when Mark Coban died - I mean *Kurt* Cobain. It doesn't really affect me at all.' Somehow I think many Kerrang readers and music lovers everywhere will disagree with that last comment. ...................... UKDeb ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Re: Kim and Chris at the library? Katie wrote: >I just got done reading the last few digests and came upon a post about chris >bowling. Now, I could be wrong (because this was a long time ago), but I >remember something on MTV with Chris and Kim at the library. Does anyone >else remember this? The bowling segment, the band in a bookstore in New York and loads of other cool clips(including the alternative video for Outshined and the pay per view concert set from the G n R tour))can all be found on tv compilation videos from PJ Starr@aol.com The editing/quality is not brilliant (mind you, I had to convert the tape to UK so it will have lost something) and some may argue the ethics of selling stuff taken from tv to desperate fans, but they've given me a happy hour. UKDeb ------------------------------ From: tendrils Subject: Ty Cobb single I don't know if this info has been posted or not... but today i got my Ty Cobb single (down here in Australia) and i thought y'all might be interested in what went onto the last Sg single tracks: 1. Ty Cobb (LP version) 2. Rhinosaur (LP version) 3. Big Dumb Sex (LP version) 4. Rhinosaur remix : the straw that broke the rhinko's back um, obviously there's no point talking about Big Dumb Sex (how did this get on here???). IMHO the rhinosaur remix is pretty good. I'm not a big fan of remixes in general, but this one does goood by not losing the original feel of the song too much (it's pretty standard no-frills stuff). oh yeah, remix done by Wm Rieflin correct me if i'm wrong, but this is the first single in a long time that wasn't Words & Music: Cornell (except My Wave, where it was Music: Cornell, Thayill). I guess that's a good thing, nice for the 'general public' to hear some music from the rest of the band.... tendrils ------------------------------ From: "Jeff Harrison (PennState U.)!!!!!" Subject: Re: hey man.... At 09:14 AM 4/23/97 -0700, you wrote: >maybe i'm late, but it'a ULTRAMEGA OK..... > >If you like it, i would definetly suggest pickin up the FLOWER EP (about >6$) at the same time).... although you may have a tough time findin it.... > >See ya... > >Marc > Thanks alot for telling me whats songs are on the Flower Ep Jeffrey Michael Harrison ------------------------------ From: "Jeff Harrison (PennState U.)!!!!!" Subject: Re: Ty Cobb single At 07:14 PM 4/23/97 +1000, you wrote: > >I don't know if this info has been posted or not... but today i got my Ty >Cobb single (down here in Australia) and i thought y'all might be >interested in what went onto the last Sg single > >tracks: >1. Ty Cobb (LP version) >2. Rhinosaur (LP version) >3. Big Dumb Sex (LP version) >4. Rhinosaur remix : the straw that broke the rhinko's back > >um, obviously there's no point talking about Big Dumb Sex (how did this >get on here???). IMHO the rhinosaur remix is pretty good. I'm not a >big fan of remixes in general, but this one does goood by not >losing the original feel of the song too much (it's pretty standard >no-frills stuff). >oh yeah, remix done by Wm Rieflin > >correct me if i'm wrong, but this is the first single in a long time that >wasn't Words & Music: Cornell (except My Wave, where it was Music: >Cornell, Thayill). I guess that's a good thing, nice for the 'general >public' to hear some music from the rest of the band.... > > >tendrils > > >When did the ty cobb single come out. Is Big Dumb Sex, the old version or is Ben Sheppard playing the bass.. Jeffrey Michael Harrison ------------------------------ From: "GILES, CLAY OWEN" Subject: Some predictions I really don't post all that much, and I'll probably get slammed from alot of people, but I really don't give a shit. I just recently purchased some SG concerts and it really made me think about the ways our beloved members of SG might travel. It is my true belief, although I am not a Ben-basher, that his attitude definitely caused a riff in the fiasco. Reasons? Well, I have two SG concerts on video tape, one from 1990 and one from 96'. After watching them repeatedly, I noticed how much Ben's demeanor had changed. In the earlier show, he was going off. He was jumping around and was really into the music. In the 96 show, he was just standing there. Not once did he move, jump, sing, or act like he was into it. He acted like he hated the music and hated performing. Watch Chris, Matt, and Kim and they are still jamming. Of course, I don't know what really happened between them. But next time you see some old SG videos, look for yourself. Also, my predictions are as follows: Kim and Chris will remain together to the end. They enjoy performing together (just watch them) and mesh well together. Matt and Ben will continue with Hater. But after playing with Chris and Kim for so long, they will soon realize that they miss it. I see in the future a kind of Seattle Rock fesival, here is the lineup: 1. Screaming Trees- a full set, ending with Mad Season coming on stage and starting their show with the duet, `Long Gone Day' 2. Alice in Chains- a full set, ending with duet with Chris- ``No right turn'' off of the `Sap' album.here 3. The rest of SG takes the stage and does a full set, ending with the Temple of the Dog members doing a set. 4. Pearl Jam takes the stage and, after a full set, all the members take the stage and end the show with a stunning rendition of ``We are the World' with Chris doing the Michael Jackson part, Eddie Vedder doing Springsteen, and so forth. That's all for now. Later gater. Sg song og the week: Bleed Together. Cogman ------------------------------ From: "McMahon Potvin" Subject: Karaoke and Bleed Together Is it just me...... Maybe i'm just weird and stuff... I like to think that Karaoke would have fit nicely after Applebite and that Bleed Together would have definetly set a cool tone to DOTU by bein the first song and putting Preety Noose 2nd. I don't think it would have changed the albums balance that much..... oh well, it's just a thought!! Of course, i'm probably wrong, cause i've been listening to my albums on "random" for the past month.... when i listen to the song disordered, it actually makes me feel like i got some brand new albums! a smiley face =) goes out to all you SOMMSTERS!!! as the days of old are finally back, and we're all coming to accept what happened to us... Keep it alive..... Can't wait for my somm-cd to get here.......i hope Canada Post doesn't screw up and lose it.... Later, Marc ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: allstarmag article from http://www.allstarmag.com/news/database/Archive/9704/22/news-cont.shtml#story1 "We don't mean to sound all ga-ga over the aesthetically pleasing Chris Cornell or anything, but, can anyone even remotely imagine a really, really bad picture of the man? No. We think not. Well, apparently the manager for the now-former Soundgarden singer (God, that hurts to say), Susan Silver, wasn't too pleased with an old photo of the hottest rock star in the universe from around age 17. The picture was used in Seattle- based American Music News as a joke contest that was along the lines of "identify these people and win a fancy American Music water bottle." Chris allegedly came down to their offices to pick up all copies of the photo and the negative, and was described as seeming "kind of embarassed about the whole thing, and blamed it on his management (and wife)." Anyway, if anyone wants a copy of the magazine, contact Greg at 206.632.8623. Tell him allstar sent ya! Oh, and speaking of Chris, yes, there's been talk of a solo project --obviously -- but, no, there are no definitive plans set yet... " ------------------------------ From: JLG5754@ACS.TAMU.EDU Subject: headbanger's ball i've been noticing lately that a lot of people are looking for the headbanger's ball edition where they go bowling right before the release of superunknown. i remember recording this, so it should still be in my little video collection back home (if my sister hasn't erased it already. she has a tendency to do that when she's mad at me). should be worth a look after all this time. oh yeah, if anybody can forward me matt's message, i'd greatly appreciate it. jen ------------------------------ From: COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu Subject: Karen's at it again... Karen Cornell was doing readings on KNDD a while ago. Her business card reads "intuitive consultant." I was late getting to the office, so I missed the earlier stuff and don't know whether or not they discussed anything SG related. I was listening to BMF on my way into work so... But I did hear Bill Reid ask Karen about Chris: He asked her what she felt about women (and men) wanting to be with her son. Karen said just hearing all the comments on him being a sex symbol was strange, since it's pretty hard to think of your son in that way, although she does say he is very good looking. She also said he's very kind, quiet, and what he's like on stage is very different than how he really is. She's also very proud him. He set a goal at 16 and said 'this is what I want to do and I'm gonna do it.' Karen said that very few people can do that. She also admitted she was the last one in the family to see that. That he was actually gonna do it, was doing it and he had already achieved his goal before she realized he had done it. She said, as a single Mom, her focus was elsewhere, but the other kids knew what he was doing and knew he was going to achieve his goal. She's very impressed and proud. The above is not verbatim, so I tried to get what I could, but you sort of get the idea... Bonnie ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: random notes Hey List couple random things... 1. buy/sell/trade for a copy of the new Wellwater Conspiracy vinyl _Declaration of Conformity_. Or...if you don't have a record player...buy it when it comes out on CD. Release date unknown? (chris?) It's very un-SG in sound (it's similar to the spacy pop of "Night Surf")...but if you are a fan of low fi, early Pink Floyd or Japanese noise pop or anything beatlesque :-) It's brilliant. Definitely a summer sounding CD...well i think it'll go great with a guiness and a thunderstorm :-) The song "Sandy" is particularly addictive. Be careful, cuz you will be mumbling incoherent japanese after hearing it a few times. Chris, did you translate those Japanese lyrics yet? 2. The vid tree is now in motion (mailed out). Email j.t. from now on. If 11/13 makes the rounds like I've been told...I will trunk that show. 3. Is there a US release date for Ty Cobb as an import? 4. On a serious note, if someone is interested in teaming with me to purchase the Soundgarden signed guitar in the T.J. Martel Celebrity Auction, please contact me. I'll provide more info then. steve ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 23 Apr 1997 - ------------------------------ From: Katherine Revel Subject: kim and chris at the library? I just got done reading the last few digests and came upon a post about chris bowling. Now, I could be wrong (because this was a long time ago), but I remember something on MTV with Chris and Kim at the library. A few years back, MTV had them shopping at the Strand bookstore, in NYC. Could that be what you're thinking of? Does anyone else remember this? From what I remember it was pretty entertaining. Anyone got it on tape? (i know chances are slight). PJStarr@aol.com has it on one of her compilation tapes, I think. You can e-mail her and see. ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: Solo project skeptic On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, MICHAEL APPLE wrote: > A lot of people have been talking about a Chris Cornell solo project. > I don't know what everyone else thinks, but I'm really kind of skeptical > about the whole idea. I mean, solo artists usually don't make as good > music as their original band. Look at the Beatles. Overall, their songs > were much better when they were together than later, individually. Chris's > music might really suffer if he does it on his own. if you're paul mc cartney wanting to write a lot of fluffy pop songs, then maybe (though personally i think "maybe I'm amazed" for one tops almost ANYTHING the beatles did). but look at john lennon's work! sure there was a lot of experimental stuff that many people don't like, but his solo work had a power and a voice and a presence that Lennon never had a chance to express within the confines of the Beatles. if you look at the progression of the beatles' music over time, you can see how the band was beginning to splinter into different directions. they tried to give voice to their individual interests within the entity that was the Beatles and frankly, it sucked. they were trying to wedge interests in john cage and stockhausen and indian raga and who knows what, all of them going in completely divergent directions and all at the same time. that doesn't (and most certainly didn't) make for a uniform creative voice. everyone knows that just because it said "lennon/mc cartney" on the song didn't mean that it *was* towards the end. any basic beatles history book will break it out for you and any fan of their music can tell whose songs belong to who. my point being, the beatles' forced 'captivity' (as it were) did not make for good songwriting. personally i don't think we have enough evidence to make the statement that chris' songwriting will suffer. if anything, i think it will grow and soar because he is not having to write for *soundgarden*. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: RiTa Subject: confusion i'm driving home today, forced to listen to the radio cuz my tape deck has become possessed by satan, and the d.j. introduced rhinosaur as the "the latest from soundgarden". i am confused. did they release this...what's going on? am i just that dense and don't get that if they play a song on the radio it doesn't mean its been released...don't all answer at once! ;) ________ RiTa, who is left only to dream what the video might have looked like *sniff* ------------------------------ From: Strat5@aol.com Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 23 Apr 1997 Ok i heard rumors about an unplugged session, that the guys might be doing as some sort of reunion. Does anybody know if this is true or not. Also, I have all of SG's CDs except one. I forgot the album name but the songs 665 and 667 is on it, does anybody know the Title. It would help so i can go and buy it thanks.. isn't 665 667 on ultramega OK ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Solo project skeptic Date sent: 23-APR-1997 14:18:07 Hi, all, A lot of people have been talking about a Chris Cornell solo project. I don't know what everyone else thinks, but I'm really kind of skeptical about the whole idea. I mean, solo artists usually don't make as good music as their original band. Look at the Beatles. Overall, their songs were much better when they were together than later, individually. Chris's music might really suffer if he does it on his own. I don't mean to stir up trouble here. "Seasons" is a great song and I admire Chris's songwriting ability. But I really wonder if he'll end up like all those pop singers with backup bands and so much distance between themselves and their audience. Later, Michael Apple ************************************************** Pale in the flare light The scared light cracks and disappears And leads the scorched ones here And everywhere, no one cares the fire is spreading And no one wants to speak about it. - "4th Of July", Soundgarden ************************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Michael J. Dorn" Subject: "An Ode to Soundgarden" I would just like to thank Soundgarden for 12 loud magical ear blistering years. It is sad that you guys had to go about your own ways but that is up to you. Soundgarden has made an important impact on my life, so much that I can not put it into words. I will never forget the innovaters of the Seattle-Grunge scene. Thank you for everything. "BURROW DOWN AND BLOW UP THE OUTSIDE, BLOW UP THE OUTSIDE, BLOW UP THE OUTSIDE WORLD" ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Re: Solo project skeptic michael apple wrote: > A lot of people have been talking about a Chris Cornell solo project. I don't know what everyone else thinks, but I'm really kind of skeptical about the whole idea. I mean, solo artists usually don't make as good music as their original band. Look at the Beatles. Overall, their songs were much better when they were together than later, individually. Chris's music might really suffer if he does it on his own. > i'm sure whatever chris will do will suit his liking, or he won't do it. whether or not soundgarden fans like his new music, should a solo projcet occurr in the future (fingers crossed for it), will be up to them and their personal tastes. i hardly think chris will go out solo in an attempt to make more SG music all by himself. SG's music was a million times over the music by all four members. not just chris, not just matt or kim or ben. > I don't mean to stir up trouble here. "Seasons" is a great song and I admire Chris's songwriting ability. But I really wonder if he'll end up like all those pop singers with backup bands and so much distance between themselves and their audience. > all those pop singers that he's laughed in the face of, right? remember big dumb sex? and karaoke? these two songs show in about 10 minutes of music that he will not become another cliched solo artist. neither will any of the others in their new projects, whatever they may be. please, really, i don't even see how you could think of any of them becoming a burnt-out musical stereotyped clone of past solo artists, especially chris cornell. mind riot ____ listen here he is inside... SOUNDGARDEN 1984-1997 ------------------------------ From: DustyGrrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Karen's at it again... Doesnt it seem a little rude of the interviewer to ask someones Mom this sort of thing? Jeez. I would love to catch Karen being interviewed sometime...some of you guys have spoke with her before, havent you? Ya all in Seattle I spose? Laterz, Carol;) (formerly slave4cc) In a message dated 97-04-23 12:58:44 EDT, you write: << He asked her what she felt about women (and men) wanting to be with her son. Karen said just hearing all the comments on him being a sex symbol was strange, since it's pretty hard to think of your son in that way, although she does say he is very good looking. She also said he's >> ------------------------------ From: ngc1@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 23 Apr 1997 Hello, my name is nate I am a new member to the list, which makes me feel like a shmuck for not getting to know you guys out there sooner. Anyways, its refreshing to know that there are actually other people that give a f#@k about the break up. It seems like I'm the only Soundgarden fan out here at Cornell University, and it pisses me off when people laugh at my misery. Why does anyone even care which member they think was the reason for the band's success? Soundgarden was a BAND, not some group like the pumpkins who consist of Billy's genius and the rest of the group to play at concerts. Anyone who thinks that Chris was responsible for all the music should look at the fine print at the bottom of the lyrics sheets. One last thing, Is there any place that I could get the music videos of their songs? And if so, is it cost efficient/ thanks for your time nate chittenden ngc1@cornell.edu ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: _The Rocket_ article on the breakup The Rocket is the local bi-weekly Seattle music newspaper. =20 Remember: it is a JOURNALIST here. You can clearly see that she was digging for dirt and you can CLEARLY see that there is no dirt to be found.... just because it's in a newspaper doesn't mean that it's true. - --caryn COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN: Why did Soundgarden break up? They're (still) not talking by S. Duda For a band that will be remembered by, among other things, its earsplitting volume, Soundgarden's exit from this world was uncharacteristically silent. There were the predictable noises: radio stations aired inevitable, nostalgic hype and tribute specials; newsreel footage recounted the facts and figures of documented hits and sales figures as the band posed in video clips; and online sites laid out rumor after rumor on bulletin board thread= s. But from the band =96 Chris Cornell, Kim Thayil, Ben Shepherd and Matt Cameron =96 its management and its record company, there was no sound, save= a terse, 32-word statement that rattled over fax machines early Wednesday morning, April 9. "After 12 years, the members of Soundgarden have amicably and mutally decided to disband t pursue other interests," it read diplomatically. "There=92s no word at this time of any member=92s future plans." That was it. Reached later in the week, Susan Silver, the band=92s manager and Cornell= =92s wife, would only characterize the ssplit as "heroic," while praising the band for having the courage to come to the decision and "look into the unknown." Susan Silver employee Erin Haley also remained tightlipped. "There=92s no drama and no hidden story," she said. "It was a quiet, priva= te decision." Other staffers said nothing, and said it efficiently. A&M, the band=92s record label, referred all callers to the press release. But all was not =96 and is not=97 well in the Soundgarden camp. The decisi= on to end the band, while perhaps heroic, was anything but amicable. After numerous off-the-record interviews with individuals close to the band, it seems clear that the decision to end the run of a group that sold more than 20 million LPs and helped define an era of American music had been debated=97often hotly=97for some time, perhaps even as far back as the recording of its last album, 1996 =96 Down on the Upside. Band issues, which included intense personality conflicts, a strong dislike of touring, as well as the mounting pressures that accompany steering an enterprise as large as Soungarden, came to a head as the bandwrapped up its final leg of shows through Australia and Hawaii. During these shows, reports suggest that tempers flared repeatedly. Tension in the band was running so high that Shepherd (who has since joined Devilhead as a full-time guitarist) abandoned the stage on the tour=92s final night, not returning to finish the set. By this time, the group=92s internal communication had completely shut down= =2E The musicians returned to Seattle, not as a band, but separately, each member pondering life as a solo artist, mourning the end of an era. "That was kinda the last straw," reported one source. "Ben did a freakout at the tail end of the tour and they sent him home on a plane alone. They were really pissed. They had been getting into fights and stuff, but that was the last straw." Back home in Seattle, band members exchanged phone calls, only getting together in small groups =96 Thayil and Cornell, Cornell and Cameron =96 to discuss their fate. At the end, the entire band never met as a whole. Instead, "Kim and Chris got goether [Monday, April 7] to dot the I=92s and cross the T=92s and make it official," a source reported. "There was not a= n official band meeting; it was band members meeting on their own and talking on the phone. Management was not included." It would be unfair to single out one individual to blame for the breakup of a relationship involving four grown men. To that end, it must be noted that Soundgarden=92s dislike of the business side of the phrase "music business" was well-known. Soundgarden, according to numerous sources, simply got tired of the pressure; tired of the strain of carrying arena-sized crowds. That being Soundgarden was no longer fun only seemed to seal the deal. "Here=92s a band," one source said, "who were never supposed to have hits. But they had hits. To take them out of their element and throw them out in front of 20,000 people is too much. It=92s a lot of presssure." Aside from Shepherd, the future for Soundgarden=92s members seems uncertain= =2E While all signed to A&M individually, no other plans have been announced. Both management and record company sources have issued dubious reports that posthumous releases =96 live, greatest hits, or demo sessions =96 are not p= lanned. Perhaps it is the personal weight of the decision that has kept reaction and comment so shrouded for so long. Perhaps, as Erin Haley noted, "The way they are handling this is very Soundgarden-esque =96 very private, ver= y personal. "It=92s much like the way they will be remembered," she finally allowed. "They are a band each person will remember differently, but they will remember with extreme fondness." The Rocket, April 23-May 14, 1997 ------------------------------ From: Andrea Pinto Subject: RE: _The Rocket_ article on the breakup I think I'll take the "matt" version of the breakup instead of this hack-job. And how many more journalists are going to use the word "terse" to describe the press anouncement? Here's a dollar, buy a new adjective. ------------------------------ From: ooyesiku@brynmawr.edu (Olukemi Oyesiku) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 22 Apr 1997 I agree with you on that one Dave, CC should be reckognized for his lyrics and not for being in SG. --kemi ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: wellwater conspiracy just picked up the new album at the sub pop mega mart on my lunch hour. for those who don't live in the emerald city, you *can* purchase the WWC album online from sub pop for $9, plus shipping etc. there's an address for cd's on the back of the album: Third Gear Records P.O. Box 1886 Royal Oak, MI 48068 no email that i can find. Sub Pop is online at http://www.subpop.com of course, if you don't have plastic, you can send a check or money order directly to mr. steve turner: SUPER ELECTRO RECORDS P.O. Box 20401, Seattle, WA 98102 supere@nwlink.com - --caryn ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: _The Rocket_ article on the breakup Date sent: 23-APR-1997 18:26:52 >I think I'll take the "matt" version of the breakup instead of this >hack-job. And how many more journalists are going to use the word >"terse" to describe the press anouncement? Here's a dollar, buy a new >adjective. I think that all the journalists are using "terse" to describe the press announcement because that's what Kurt Loder called it on Mtv News. They just wanna be cool like Kurt. :) Later, Michael Apple ************************************************** Pale in the flare light The scared light cracks and disappears And leads the scorched ones here And everywhere, no one cares the fire is spreading And no one wants to speak about it. - "4th Of July", Soundgarden ************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Krakhead13@aol.com Subject: Re: Things that make you go "Hmmm..." In a message dated 97-04-21 10:15:36 EDT, you write: << I know this is straying a little off the subject of Soundgarden, but kind of following up some of my earlier comments, did anyone see the premiere of the new Foo Fighters video on 120 Minutes last night? Alternative/Seattle/punk rock seems alive and kicking to me. A big "Hmmm..." goes out to a certain motherfuckin' guitar magazine claiming that "Alternative Music is Dead" and that we have nothin' but No Doubt and 311 to look forward to (Were they not also considered "alternative" as well? Hmmm...) >> Yeah I have that magazine too. I felt a little pissed off that they go and say that shit. Don't get me wrong No DOubt and 311 are cool and all but I consider them more SKA or punk than the new wave of alternative music. And the new Foo Fighters video is pretty cool. They sound better now. IMHO. *~PAM~* JUST LIKE SUICIDE ------------------------------ From: Fetal Bliss Subject: Tape Tree Hey, someone, anyone, reiterate the tape tree info, please. On the same note, does anyone have "Fresh Deadly Roses"? Just that one song. Very interested, I am. We can still hear more Soundgarden... Thanks, Eternal Soundgarden, Scott - -- On your breast I might lay my crowded head... In your mouth I might feel the serpent's kiss... In your eyes I might be your saving grace... I would feed your heart... But in your heart I'd freeze - C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: Fetal Bliss Subject: Re: ["Karaoke" review] I apologize to the author, I don't remember who you are and I already deleted my digest, but your "Karaoke" review was excellent! Why don't you arrange something with seth to replace the Song of the Month? No offense intended to seth's work, but that was superior, and weekly? Hmm... Eternal Soundgarden, Scott - -- On your breast I might lay my crowded head... In your mouth I might feel the serpent's kiss... In your eyes I might be your saving grace... I would feed your heart... But in your heart I'd freeze - C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: All the news that's fit to print At 12:17 AM 4/24/97 -0500, tonerkin wrote: > Caryn, is that the issue of the Rocket with the two headed baby on the cover or the picture of the Alien that was >elected mayor of Sheep Bladder U.K?? >We are talking Enquirer/Star/Globe type reporting here. You know you're in trouble when the text is littered with >our source this and a source that! Why couldn't they go with Susan and Erin's statements? Instead they go with >this bullshit type story. "The band members exchanged phone calls" do they have a bug on the phones or were >they lip reading with a telephoto lens from 2 blocks away. I agree with Andrea I'll stick with Matt's story. well, everyone in seattle has their "inside" sources and i for one am getting tired of hearing stupid recycled unattributed bullshit. i want just ONE person to tell me who their inside source is and then maybe there'd be a chance that i'd think about believing them. this is the same problem i had with the EV rolling stone cover: not *one* person spoke on the record. now why do you think that is? *snort* not to mention that i usually take issue at "s. duda"'s reporting. when i saw her byline on the article i knew we were in for an attempt at muckraking. and i'm with andrea. i also gave her $8 worth of adjectives to send on to various stupid journalists. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: some more thoughts on cc solo i was hunting for some info for the list admin tonight, and i came across this paragraph from Clark Humphrey's "Loser: The Real Seattle Music Story", that echoed my thoughts earlier today about Chris' hopefully forthcoming solo work: WORSHIPPING AT THE TEMPLE "Jeff Ament and Stone Gossard joined with Soundgarden's Chris Cornell to record a couple of tribute songs to Andrew Wood. Those sessions grew into the _Temple of the Dog_ album, named from a line in Wood's song "Man of Golden Words" and released in early 1991 on A&M; initial sales were modest. The CD was a collection of slow blues-rock dirges and power ballads, some with indulgent guitar solos. They weren't all directly about Wood; some were existing Cornell compositions that didn't fit Soundgarden's established format. " (not to mention that this closes an earlier list argument about TOTD) I just find this interesting. *shrug* who knows. to quote the listadmin, i'll believe it when i see it. ;-) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: Things that make you go "Hmmm..." Date sent: 23-APR-1997 23:07:09 > I know this is straying a little off the subject of Soundgarden, but kind > of following up some of my earlier comments, did anyone see the premiere of > the new Foo Fighters video on 120 Minutes last night? > Alternative/Seattle/punk rock seems alive and kicking to me. A big > "Hmmm..." goes out to a certain motherfuckin' guitar magazine claiming that > "Alternative Music is Dead" and that we have nothin' but No Doubt and 311 > to look forward to (Were they not also considered "alternative" as well? > Hmmm...) >> > >Yeah I have that magazine too. I felt a little pissed off that they go and >say that shit. Don't get me wrong No DOubt and 311 are cool and all but I >consider them more SKA or punk than the new wave of alternative music. And >the new Foo Fighters video is pretty cool. They sound better now. IMHO. Was that magazine Guitar For The Practicing Musician? I stopped getting that one because they are so full of shit. The writers are a bunch of balding baby-boomers living in the dark ages of so-called "progressive rock" (also known as "same old, same old.") Foo Fighters has a new album out? THANK YOU, GOD! I love Foo Fighters! Can someone please tell me when the album will be in stores. ( My credit card is warmed up and ready to go. :) I just thought of something. People (Mtv kind of people) are saying that grunge has died with Soundgarden, yet we still have Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam, Screaming Trees, Mudhoney, 7 Year Bitch, Dead Moon, Tad, and Foo Fighters. I bet that when the former members of Soundgarden (it still hurts to think of them that way) form new bands, there's going to be an explosion of grunge rock again. It'll be like the second wave in the battle for good music. :) The thing though is that Chris Cornell, Kim Thayil, Ben Shepherd, and Matt Cameron are going to spearhead it. Just like they spearheaded the first grunge explosion. These guys' musical talent and influence on the music community in Seattle is astounding. Now that I'm getting used to the idea that Soundgarden has broken up, I can now see the endless possibilities. Maybe, just maybe, they might be able to make an even bigger impact on music by spreading out like this. I guess it's something to think about anyway. Later, Michael Apple ************************************************** Pale in the flare light The scared light cracks and disappears And leads the scorched ones here And everywhere, no one cares the fire is spreading And no one wants to speak about it. - "4th Of July", Soundgarden ************************************************** ------------------------------ From: tonerkin Subject: All the news that's fit to print At 02:40 PM 4/23/97 -0700, you wrote: >COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN: >Why did Soundgarden break up? They're (still) not talking >by S. Duda > > >"That was kinda the last straw," reported one source. "Ben did a freakout >at the tail end of the tour and they sent him home on a plane alone.=20 They >were really pissed. They had been getting into fights and stuff, but that >was the last straw." > >Back home in Seattle, band members exchanged phone calls, only getting >together in small groups =96 Thayil and Cornell, Cornell and Cameron =96=20 to >discuss their fate. At the end, the entire band never met as a whole. >Instead, "Kim and Chris got goether [Monday, April 7] to dot the I=92s and >cross the T=92s and make it official," a source reported.=20 "There was not an >official band meeting; it was band members meeting on their own and talking >on the phone. Management was not included." Caryn, is that the issue of the Rocket with the two headed baby on the cover or the picture of the Alien that was elected mayor of Sheep Bladder U.K?? We are talking Enquirer/Star/Globe type reporting here. You know you're in trouble when the text is littered with our source this and a source that! Why couldn't they go with Susan and Erin's statements? Instead they go with this bullshit type story. "The band members exchanged phone calls" do they have a bug on the phones or were they lip reading with a telephoto lens from 2 blocks away. I agree with Andrea I'll stick with Matt's story. toni ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 100] ****************************************