From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 22 Apr 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 04:13:31 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Tuesday, 22 Apr 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: RE: Trust me, you'll want to read this Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 21 Apr 1997 Re: I agree Re: Trust me, you'll want to read this CC Salad Dressing... Things that make you go "Hmmm..." Re: Soundgarden Gifts Re: I agree Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 21 Apr 1997 Matt's Post Thanks Matt you big sweetie!!!!! Re: chris bowling Message from Matt a new beginning rockin' in the free world Matt's Post and 7-7 Lollapalooza show Re: rockin' in the free world It's more than just Music SG Article from Last Summer Matt's post Re: Tony Williams? Blind Dogs and burn your sheets... i've seen how you've given... A Reflection on what Soundgarden was to me. REMEMBERING SOUNDGARDEN People mag K-ROCK Tribute make no mistake I am what you make me... Re: i've seen how you've given... The gifts they gave ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: Trust me, you'll want to read this This is strange, this feeling I have right now. =20 I feel humbled, I guess that's what it is. I was shocked at SG's breakup, yet not grief-stricken like many of my = fellow Sommsters were. Because deep down I knew that the music is still = with us, and will ALWAYS be alive (I note now that Matt feels the same = way). But when reading Matt Cameron's letter, well, I realise that perhaps = grief WAS in my heart all along, and just hadn't yet been released. =20 For now I really FEEL grief, in the purest sense of the word. Reading = Matt's letter brought tears to my eyes and a lump to my = throat...............as I type this I am actually crying. =20 {ironic, I am listening to Pearl Jam's "Smile" on my CD-Rom as I cry} But I am also so glad that our Soundgarden guys' "love and respect for = one another is probably deeper than it ever was" and they "are all = brothers". As if the lump in my throat wasn't already aching, by the = time I read that paragraph the tears really did start to flow. Matt Cameron, I want to thank YOU from the bottom of my heart. For = being so honest with us, for sharing your feelings. THAT is what has = humbled me. And I also thank you, Seth, who have brought all of us together. This = mailing list has not just helped me gain a better knowledge of all = things Soundgarden, but it has also given me many extremely close = friends who, like Soundgarden's music, will be with me forever. Carolyn the Melancholy Fan So don't you lock up something that you wanted to see fly...Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: Foppnrock@aol.com Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 21 Apr 1997 In a message dated 97-04-21 04:45:56 EDT, you write: << From: Nicky Taylor Subject: sub pop 200 Hi everyone, havn't posted for a while, I've been in the asylum(j/k), Anyway, I just bought Sub Pop 200 and I was wondering is this worth anything. It sjust out of curiosity mind you >> Nah Nicky. It was re-issued a couple years ago and can still be bought. Eric ------------------------------ From: "Cornholio" Subject: Re: I agree Sorry, I just didn't want to reply to all that big stuff... But I have to admit jwilson, whoever you are...that you are right. In fact this is as right as anyone is going to get. Also, we have to admit to ourselves that SG is no more but still lives on. Chris should be recognized for his lyrics more often and not for being in SG. Toodles. Dave SOUNDGARDEN SOUNDGARDEN SOUNDGARDEN /////////////// ////////////// //// //// //////// //// //////// //////// //// //////// //// //// ////////////// /////////////// SOUNDGARDEN SOUNDGARDEN SOUNDGARDEN "I love ya baby!"--665 by Soundgarden (reversed) ------------------------------ From: Shanon M Cousland Subject: Re: Trust me, you'll want to read this Thank you, Seth and Matt. I don't know who to thank more..... Seth for delivering the words to those he felt deserving (all of us, he's too kind), or Matt for actually telling us what's going on. I can't believe he cares. Remember, there's a difference between thinking the person tells the truth and believing the person who breathes it. I'm somewhat rejuvinated. I really love the world that cares. It's nice to know it still exists. I, too, have been crying and bleeding my soul out. Soundgarden made my life. Believe it or not, I am a NIN and Marylin Manson fan to boot. Soundgarden was the only one band that taught me what beauty is. On a side note, I recently bought a SG tee-shirt with the Pretty Noose single on it. The reason that it was so significant is that I bought it from a clearance rack for $4. No lie. I'm from Milwaukee, and that says a lot. That low of a markdown meant only one thing..... no one was devoted enough in the area of posuers to buy it and wear it with pride. No one, except me. (I hadn't gotten it earlier because it was on the other side of town that I went to go shopping for a change). I'm proud to be among the few who care. EVERYONE ELSE HERE SHOULD BE TOO. Raise your head. "Bow down." We were blessed. We are among the few. I am proud to be a SG lover. As long as I live, SG lives. As long as Seth is alive, SG lives. It's like a tome. Think of it this way........ in a world in which things are seldom finite, we have the pleasure of being able to have heard it all. I love you guys, in the most platonic way possible. That is, I don't want to "fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck you, fuck you...." ;) Laters.....and hails from ][.....this isn't the final 4th of July yet. Setzer, a 3-year devotee ------------------------------ Subject: CC Salad Dressing... From: Brydon Cheyney CS95 > Yep. As a matter of fact, I heard that during the shows, Kim and Ben > aren't even plugged in, and Matt's mics are turned off. They just "air > guitar" and "air drum" along to a tape prepared by Chris. The only reason > Chris keeps them around is to help move the equipment. I'll bet you guys > didn't know that. > > Ross This *IS* a joke, right? ... right? I didn't catch the original post, but... Anyway... Cheers to all the SOMMSters who were up on #somms Friday night... Or my Saturday morning!!! I really can't see myself getting up at 6am too many Saturdays, so I'll really treasure that morning... I'll miss all the #sommzgrl action - the CC salad dressing, Aaron running around naked... em... Me reconsiders the last coupla statements... Shit, I miss something... Ehhh... I think it's the fact that I found a group of people who could understand the whole SG break up thing... There was no talk of it, but the fact there was a kindred spirit going on was a real comfort... The fact I could at last say hi to sommsters like Shroom and Caryn, talk to them... I just can't wait til graduation and I can fuck off to Seattle and fullfil my role as 'future roomie' to Dena and Shroom... I think being held captive sounds a lot less worse than it did... ;) So cheers to Dena, Shroom, Caryn, Sabrina, Rosee, Thuggy, Geoff, Chris, Seth, Toni, Vicki, Ben, and whoever the Hell I've missed out... It was a lot of fun, but I have to say it was weird having everybody saying they were off to bed when I was only up... Brydon - -- Loneliness - An interesting place to visit, just don't take any friends ------------------------------ From: "Ben \"Flea\" Burnsed" Subject: Things that make you go "Hmmm..." I know this is straying a little off the subject of Soundgarden, but kind of following up some of my earlier comments, did anyone see the premiere of the new Foo Fighters video on 120 Minutes last night? Alternative/Seattle/punk rock seems alive and kicking to me. A big "Hmmm..." goes out to a certain motherfuckin' guitar magazine claiming that "Alternative Music is Dead" and that we have nothin' but No Doubt and 311 to look forward to (Were they not also considered "alternative" as well? Hmmm...) And now for the least unlikely Soundgarden prediction: The members of Soundgarden decide to get together for a farewell concert, or better yet, a farewell tour that takes 2 years to complete and they end up saying "Farewell" in some cities more than once - at least 3-4 concerts in Seattle, of course. They stay broken up for 2-3 years afterward while Chris tries to cross over into country music a bit as a solo artist. Then they all get back together saying they have resolved whatever problems they cited as the reason for the break-up. In showbiz this is known as the "Judd Method" (yeah I'm talking Wynona and Naomi here!) Peace y'all Flea ******************* I grew up, went into rehab You know those doctors never did me no good They said "Son, you're gonna be a new man" I said "Thank you very much, and can I borrow fifty bucks?" - Layne ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: Re: Soundgarden Gifts Here I was wracking my brain, mildly anyway, trying to come up w/ some neat thing to say. If you want gift in the true sense, Kim Thayil gave me one of his guitar picks... But then my pal and buddy UKDeb came up with this one, and I jumped for joy. Yes of course, the greatest thing I've really gotten is my friends, and like she said, you know who are!!! :)) ciao....deb At 08:34 PM 4/18/97 +0100, you wrote: >The gift Soundgarden gave to me was the friends I have made here on the >mailing list. You know you are! >Feel free to puke at the above statement, but it's true :-) > >UKDeb aka saccharine queen > > ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: Re: I agree This is sooooo sad. NO BAND is just one person. It takes a band to make the music. did Chris play all the guitars and the drumms and the bass, did he write ALL the lyrics and music? No band is one person. Caryn, I'd love to hear your real response to this one!!!! ciao....deb At 06:01 PM 4/18/97 -0400, you wrote: >I agree! I could care less about the other members. Chris is >Soundgarden. > ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Dunn" Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 21 Apr 1997 >From: Nicky Taylor >Subject: sub pop 200 > >Hi everyone, havn't posted for a while, I've been in the asylum(j/k), >Anyway, I just bought Sub Pop 200 and I was wondering is this worth >anything. It sjust out of curiosity mind you. Probably about $10.00 used nd. ------------------------------ From: BIDOLS@aol.com Subject: Matt's Post Seth, I want to thank you for forwarding Matt's letter to the group. Seeing letter come through really shows how much the band cared about what their fans thought. As much of all you felt, the emotions got stirred up again, but somehow this time it felt a lot better. On another note, I really find it disheartening to see fellow SOMMsters bickering about "Who is Soundgarden?" I really find this path of conversation quite distructive in preserving the dignity of the band's accomplishments. Soundgarden became for me (as many bands have done) a reminder to how wonderful the gift of music is. I firmly believe that these guys will continue to produce great music for us, but in different forms than we currently know. Anyway, there's my 2 cents that I seldom give...but felt compelled to write. " the seasons roll on by...." you know Mark ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: Thanks Matt you big sweetie!!!!! >Subj: The Calvin Kleiner Remembers Us... >Date: 97-04-20 22:09:43 EDT >From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) >Reply-to: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu >To: somms@MIT.EDU > > > There >are times like these when I'm glad to be a sommster. Forget all that >media shit. All I needed was consolation from an actual SG bandmember. Yea, that was really cool of him to do that. He cares were here. The friggin media is what keeps them from saying anything for fear it will most likely get twisted out of proportion. >Smothering in Matt's 'big soul kiss' >@~~^RoseeMisst^~~@ To Matt Cameron: the big sweetheart & drummer extrodinaire: Thank you Matt! That was very cool of you to take the time to write to Seth & Somms. It meant alot. You guys are the best!!! Carol ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: Re: chris bowling This goes for me too.....somebody no doubt has that SG bowling vid on tape Somebody, please have a heart!!! Carol ;) - -------> I insert a general comment:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No longer feeling like a slave4anyone, I will soon ponder and come up with a new screen name.;) >In a message dated 97-04-20 22:15:31 EDT, you write: << Subj: Re: chris bowling > Date: 97-04-20 22:15:31 EDT > From: redson@il-icom.net (Betty Anne Redson) > Reply-to: redson@il-icom.net > To: somms@MIT.EDU > > >I am looking for any one with a copy of the MTV's headbangers ball with > >rikk r. When they all went bowling and chris came out with his short > >hair......................it was the release of > >Superunknown...........please someone help obtain a copy > > > > MAHALO, > > KIM > I am also looking for this, so if any one has it contact me also. > Thanks, Marie >> ------------------------------ From: "Lane, Karen" Subject: Message from Matt I rarely post but this was too awesome to let pass. I have to thank Matt for taking the time to clue us in and make everyone here feel appreciated. I am personally really excited about the amazing affect 4 former Soundgarden musicians can have on the world of music when they head in different directions. The possibilities are endless! Think Sideways! ------------------------------ From: Taylor Subject: a new beginning Hey SOMMSters Thanks to Matt's message, I'm feeling a sense of closure. SG is still my favorite band, and I'm still saddened by the split, but all good things must end sometime. I've been celebrating the music for the past week and it still rocks! :) God, you get to feeling so close to a band because they're the ones that you turn to at a rough time. But I can still put on Let Me Drown, or Limo Wreck, or Slaves & Bulldozers, or Flower and feel better. That's powerful stuff. Or any of the songs to enhance a good mood, but especially Bleed Together. It gets me out of bed in the mornings (and is responsible for my speeding on highways!). So thanks to the guys for being such a major part of my life. Rock on! Taylor K. - -- "With haste and reverie Killing with charm" ------------------------------ From: Vince Varkey Subject: rockin' in the free world I have a question. Has anyone downloaded the Pearl Jam/ SG version of Rockin' In The Free World from Seth's site? Check it out if you haven't. Anyway, what I was wondering was where exactly is this from? What video or bootleg is this from and is there anyway I could get a copy of it, if it is out there? Any help would be much appreciated. - -vince ------------------------------ From: chewy Subject: Matt's Post and 7-7 Lollapalooza show Haven't posted in a while...hope I remember how =) I was happy to see that they (or at least Matt) reads the list...I wish them all luck in any future endeavors. We may never know why they split, but who cares...we still have plenty of great music to listen to. Whoever thinks Chris Cornell IS Soundgarden...boy are you disillusioned...he has a great voice and he writes some great stuff, but Jesus Christ Pose is nothing without Matt's drumming, Ben's bass, and Kim's guitar. And all of them wrote it. And that's just one of *many*. Wake up and stop letting your hormones confuse your thinking... Does anyone out there have the 7-7 Lollapalooza show on tape/CD? I was supposed to goto this show, but some crap came up and I missed it =( my birthday too! It was in Quebec. If you do, e-mail me and maybe we can trade? Check out the trading post for my trade list : (http://members.tripod.com/~Sgrdn/index.html)...thanks a lot adios, chewy (dave) dxk24@po.cwru.edu (bummed he missed the #somms action when Brydon visited...you're gonna have to do it again now =) ) ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: rockin' in the free world On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Vince Varkey wrote: > > I have a question. Has anyone downloaded the Pearl Jam/ SG version of > Rockin' In The Free World from Seth's site? Check it out if you haven't. > Anyway, what I was wondering was where exactly is this from? What video > or bootleg is this from and is there anyway I could get a copy of it, if > it is out there? Any help would be much appreciated. this is from houston in 1992, the infamous Unicorn Ballroom show (of Kozik poster fame), pearl jam opened for soundgarden. the pearl jam show exists on video (way cool show, shit quality tape, lots of heads in the way), but the sg show does not exist, to the best of our knowledge. neither does the encore, unfortunately. ;-( this footage was taped by mtv, hence the reason it is from the mtv web site. ;-) mtv masters rarely, if ever, make it out of the vault, and what usually makes it out is uncut interview footage, not live performance stuff, for the obvious reason that it has more of a value. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Kathie and David Subject: It's more than just Music I was very moved by Matt's message. Thank you Matt for not only caring enough about how we feel to read the digest, but for caring enough about us to write such a gentle, kind note. My heart just felt so full as I read, and he even mentioned Chicago! And apparently HE doesn't think its so awful for people to speculate about the future plans of the guys, since he says he'll keep Seth informed of his so he can pass them on to us. Matt's message just reconfirmed for me the reasons I love(d) Soundgarden. Moon Druid wrote: > I still fail to see what has changed. Sure, they've broken up. But when > you listen the CDs, are you listening to the four guys or are you > listening to the music that they've made? The thing is, for me and for alot of us I think, there is and always has been so much more than just the music. Sure the music is what perked up my ears that first time, but I was also drawn to the presence and attitude of the band, from that very first video (Loud Love). There was something more to them, something totally different and I was hopelessly hooked from then on. I've loved alot of different bands for their music, but I have never felt such an identification and closeness with any other band like I have with Soundgarden. I've always felt that Soundgarden were very close to their roots. They remembered what it felt like to be a fan, and never felt that they were any better or more important than any of us. I truly care about them as people, and feel that they have shown us more of themselves as real people than most performers ever do. I mean these are guys I baked pumpkin bread for, and Shroom gave her ankle bracelet to (well, that was only Chris, but still) and bunches of us have sent birthday cards, etc. to. From the beginning being a Soundgarden fan was something truly special and unique. We may feel that some of that uniqueness has been taken away because of the more recent popularity, but I don't think the pseudo-fans ever really "got it", so they don't really matter anyway. Until I found this list I didn't know any other Soundgarden fans. Waiting in line for concert tickets was always a treat, because I would get to meet others who at the very least knew who Soundgarden was, and usually were as enthusiastic as I was to be meeting others who felt as they did about this great band. My husband was amazed at "Sommsfest" in Chicago - how we all seemed to know each other immediately even though we had never met. Being a Soundgarden fan has meant a great deal to me, and has been a part of my daily life for well over 7 years. Its great that we'll always have the music, but I'm really going to miss alot of other things about being a Soundgarden fan. And these are the things I find myself still getting weepy over. Thank God the list isn't going down. I wonder how many of us, almost immediately after the initial shock of the news washed over us, thought "Oh no, what about the list?". Most of us have found a comaraderie here that we were unable to find in our everyday lives, because so few people in our *real* lives share the same devotion to Soundgarden. Thanks again, Seth, for keeping this forum open. And thanks again to you, Matt. You truly made my day. Kathie ------------------------------ From: SGUTIERR@fogelson.csf.edu(Santi) Subject: SG Article from Last Summer This past summer, I remember flipping through this magazine that had an interview with the band about DOTU. The one thing that I remember very well was that the article had some great photography in it, especially a close up of each member of the band and a long conversation with Kim as they went around the town one night. It was such a great article but I can't remember what magazine it was. If anybody could help me out I would appreciate it. Thanks, Santi ------------------------------ From: SNDGRDGRL@aol.com Subject: Matt's post 've never posted before, but I've been lurking for many months now. Matt's post has moved me to write for the first time. I'd seen in several posts that he followed SOMMS but I never in a million years expected him to contribute, although hindsight tells me I probably should have. Thank you, Matt, for your time and your words - they are a comfort. Please do keep us posted - most of us are all very interested in everyone's future direction. I've been a fan since Louder than Love (which immediately caused me to get Ultramega OK, and the EP's). SG's music probably saved my sanity (if not my life) during my divorce three years ago simply by giving me incredible music and forceful lyrics that came painfully close to describing how I was feeling at any given moment. I was lucky enough to see SG live many times (I was always the quiet one as close as I could get without being mauled - which didn't always work). I don't want to drag this out any longer than necessary - - suffice it to say that I've probably been your average "obsessed" fan. But believe me - I've always been in it for the MUSIC. And that's what I'm going to miss the most. Besides, I'm on Shroomy's picture list, so I get my daily dose of band/individual pics anyway. ;>) Yes, I felt absolutely levelled (is this irrational? - I guess not judging by the list members' reactions) by the news on April 9. Of course, the fact that I knew all you SOMMS guys were as depressed about the breakup as I was seemed to help a little (as opposed to nobody I know personally giving a shit - - or understanding that I did). And real life quickly intruded and demanded my attention, so I think I'm through mourning for the loss of a band that gave me twelve years of pleasure (also the occasional therapeutic insight and an acceptable method of expressing some massive hostility). I'm sorry for all the SOMMsters that never got to seem them live. Life has an incredible way of never turning out like you expect, and you may very well get an opportunity later. And if you don't, again I apologize, but we still have the music. Anyway, what I really want to say is "Thanks, guys! You've touched a chord in so many more people than you can ever know. We're all really glad you were together as long as you were, and really sad to see you go, but we have faith that you're all moving on to interesting things that, hopefully, we can all share again. Be healthy, be happy." And the same to all the list members - be healthy, be happy! Trina ------------------------------ From: Bosshogrox@aol.com Subject: Re: Tony Williams? I'm sorry, I wasn't familiar with this man,and i missed the original post.Did he have a link to the band or was it just critical imformation ------------------------------ From: ali@worldnet.att.net Subject: Blind Dogs Whats up, Can someone help me on this one..... The other night I was watching the movie Basketball Diaries (very good movie I might add) and a song by SG called Blind Dogs was played and I was wondering if this song was released as a single or was it released just for the movie. thank god for SOMMS....what would I do without you guys and gals....... p.s. what more can I say except a BIG SOUL KISS BACK TO YOU MATT & SETH. ------------------------------ From: justin nicholls Subject: and burn your sheets... On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 ali@worldnet.att.net wrote: > The other night I was watching the movie Basketball Diaries (very good > movie I might add) and a song by SG called Blind Dogs was played and I > was wondering if this song was released as a single or was it released > just for the movie. the song 'blind dogs' was included on the _basketball diaries_ soundtrack (and played through the end credits, I think). it was also performed live by the band during their time on pearl jam's 'self pollution radio' broadcast. the bootleg of that song is worth hearing. be sure to check out steve's soundgarden discog for the facts/details. just out of interest, 'blind dogs' went through a number of different incarnations (re: demo recordings) before the final version was released. apparantly no-one in the band felt the original demos were interesting enough to put on a record. I, for one, really like the finished product. ----------------------------------------------- in your real life, treat it like it's special in your real life, try to be more kind in your real life, think of those that love you in this real life, try to be less blind words by vernon reid ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: i've seen how you've given... despite all the zillions of different thoughts and emotions i had during the chicago experience, i remember walking away thinking, "Matt is the nicest guy in the world"...yes, they were all great, but something about Matt stuck with me - he was just the most genuine nice guy, standing around and just hanging out with us (and wondering where seth was ;-) Anyway, his post has completely confirmed if not strengthened that feeling for me....In a time of real darkness for this list, Matt chose on his own, to reach out to the grieving fans and let us hear directly from one of them - something he certainly did not have to do, but did because he obviously cares...THANK YOU MATT.... on one hand, it made me smile...on the other hand, it made me cry again...i think after the first few days i may have put myself in denial and pretended that this was all a dream ...someone would pinch me and then we would all soon be discussing the tracks on the new CD....hearing right from the source brought me back into reality again and has forced me to face that this list will never talk about SG songs that will never be created.... So I did something today to make myself feel better....I have been wanting to send a gift to Erin and Silver Mgmt and SG, but wasnt sure what...Something to just show my appreciation for all they have done for us and for my life...I didnt want to send flowers cuz they die, or candy because it gets eaten, etc. I wanted to send something that would last and last, something enduring in this time of ending....So today, I sent a big beautiful Cactus from the desert ...it blooms white flowers once a year and is supposed to live for hundreds of years....whoever thinks that is stupid, I don't care....it was something that i wanted and needed to do...and i hope they enjoy it for at least as long as i have loved SG.... *sigh* eliza ****************************************** I walk these streets alone, shadows hide my face My sins are etched in stone, never to erase My fears unshakeable, if I could believe I'd trade these wings of gold, for what I really need S O U N D G A R D E N 1985 - 1997 ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: A Reflection on what Soundgarden was to me. Date sent: 21-APR-1997 21:04:13 Hi, all, Five months ago, I was on the list for a couple controversial weeks, before I asked to be signed off to avoid a conflict. I made a lot of friends on the list, but I also generated a lot of hostility. But, in light of current developments, I hope we can put the past behind us and share our memories of Soundgarden, and what it meant to us. For the past couple of days, I've checked over the SOMMS archive and read everyone's anger, shock, and depression at the disbanding of our favorite band. I can understand your reactions completely. I too, am deeply affected by Soundgarden's disbanding and I still haven't completely recovered from the shock. When I first heard Soundgarden, back in 1991, it changed my life. Before them, I was an angry, bitter teenager who was constantly running into trouble in school, with my parents, and with the police. But when I listened to Soundgarden, I heard people who were echoing a lot of the anger and depression I felt. Finally, here was something that understood me. Listening to "Badmotorfinger" made me realize that I wasn't the only person in the world who was constantly having dirt kicked in their face. It was okay to be unpopular, and it was okay to feel hurt. Now, six years later, I'm a dean's list English major, I'm a published author, and, most importantly, I am a better person. I can never thank Soundgarden enough for helping me when I needed it most. They understood me when no one else did. If anyone on the list is still feeling really depressed about the band , I suggest you do what I did to recover. For my final paper for my short fiction class, I wrote a short story called "Black Days", which was about a college student getting over the breakup. It really helped me focus my anger and depression and do something constructive with it. Soundgarden will never die. Later, Michael Apple ************************************************** Pale in the flare light The scared light cracks and disappears And leads the scorched ones here And everywhere, no one cares the fire is spreading And no one wants to speak about it. - "4th Of July", Soundgarden ************************************************** ------------------------------ From: jmh271@psu.edu (Jeff That Psu Guy!!!!) Subject: REMEMBERING SOUNDGARDEN HERE IS SOME LYRICS IN THE REMEMBERANCE OF SOUNDGARDEN: ************************************************* HEAD DOWN We see you try We see you fail Some things never change We hear you cry We hear you wail We steal that smile from your face Bow down, bow down, bow down to live that life Head down, head down, head down, hide that smile Head high, head high, head high, got to smile ************************************************* ************************************************* BOOT CAMP I must be pure and true I must contain my views There must be something else There must be something good Far away, far away, far away, for good ************************************************* ************************************************* THE DAY I TRIED TO LIVE One more time around might do it one more time around might make it one more time around might do it one more time around The day I tried to live, yeah ************************************************* ************************************************* LIMO WRECK Ill be going down For the rest of the slide While the rest of you Harvest the souls And the wreck of you Is the death of you all And the wreck of you Is the break and the fall Im the wreck of you Im the death of you all Im the wreck of you Im the break and the fall ************************************************* ------------------------------ From: Terri Parks Subject: People mag Hi everyone there is a brief paragraph & a comical photo (check out the facial expressions....wow) regarding the breakup in this weeks People magazine..page 108 to be exact. That's all for now Terri ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: K-ROCK Tribute Hiya, I begged my friend in New Jersey to record the big K-ROCK Soundgarden tribute that was sposed to be on midnight, Friday the the 11th (?)...and either he didnt listen at the right time, or the tribute consisted of nothing more than a mention of the breakup a few times and 2 songs spread way apart, JCP, and Bleed Together<--good song! It also had a hilarious interview with Henry Rollins in which Henry tells of how in his "world" Bush would be soup bowls and spice girls would be in cages begging for bowls of meat! and so on (LOL sorry ;)....ya gotta love Henry, his philosophy on life is pretty interesting..... Well I swore to Seth our of respect for him I wouldnt bash other bands ever ever again so help me Soundgarden gods, so nuf of that. Does anyone know if that was the extent of the "big tribute", or was there more to this and my friend just missed it? Anyone know? Carol --->DustyGrrl (formerly known as slave4cc--->slave has run run run away.......for all I know, she is in Seattle pursuing a career as a tattoo artist, hoping she can ink on Chris, I dunno.;) ------------------------------ From: justin nicholls Subject: make no mistake I am what you make me... I don't know if this is going to be worthwhile or even interesting to the majority of list members. in fact, I stole the idea from another list (of sorts), so at least I can plead ignorance if it doesn't work. I just hope that if we can start concentrating on the music the hurt will go away. probably a naive hope in the short term (even considering matt's emotional post to the list and the closure it seems to have afforded some list members), but a hope all the same. for the next couple of weeks I'm going to parallel sgi.net's song of the month by posting my own reviews of soundgarden songs (weekly, if I can motivate myself). these reviews may not be overly engaging for older listers as I've probably said a lot of this before, but maybe newer sommsters will get something out of my various ramblings. there is also the chance that other listers will take the bait and give their own thoughts on other songs. anyway, I'll try and stick to some sort of formula for each song (background/lyrics/music) so that there is at least some semblance of direction (I'm known for long-windedness). so shut me up if it gets too boring. my first choice for review is 'karaoke'; chosen primarily because it was one of the last songs ever recorded by the band, but also because it is a pretty interesting song in it's own right. before I go any further, here is the small print - 6:01; lyrics/music by chris cornell; produced by chris, matt cameron and adam kasper; mixed by chris and adam; recorded at studio litho. a slight difference (perhaps too trivial to mention, but you know me) between this song and those included on _down on the upside_ is that adam was assisted in engineering 'karaoke' by matt bayles, not sam hoftedt of _dotu_ fame. 'karaoke' made its first appearance on the _launch_ cd-rom in august '96, and was subsequently included as a b-side on the australian and european release of 'burden in my hand' roughly one month later. the song was then included on the australian re-release of _dotu_. background - interestingly, 'karaoke' was mentioned by members of soundgarden as a possible track for _dotu_ as early as february '96, almost four months before the release of that record (making me look the fool, since this song was probably one of the very first songs demoed and recorded during the _dotu_ sessions). chris gives some indication as to the song's subject matter in rolling stone magazine (feb.'96), noting that "it's about how loads of bands are imitating something that already exists...following a formula is what seems to be successful right now." kim concurs, contending that "it seemed like there was a real cool, aggressive shake-up in rock, and really quickly they homogenized it and repackaged it...when pearl jam ceased making videos, they got all these second-rate, b-grade pearl jams to make videos...it's all top 40 and probably won't exist a year from now. there are only so many teenagers and limited funds and resources to sustain the careers of all these bands" (spin '96). going on previous interviews, I would assume that both ben and matt agree with the above sentiment. powerful and original music doesn't come in a can, and I believe that all four members of soundgarden regarded "copycat" bands with equal amounts of distaste and enmity. soundgarden also respected greatly the contribution of bands such as nirvana and pearl jam (among others), and would understandably be angered by those who would try to copy or imitate their creative successes. the only balancing factor was that while chris, kim and matt were prepared to dump on "butt rock" and "hair farmer" bands such as poison and warrant all day long, they were unwilling to do the same to their contemporaries (at least most of the time this was true) in public. they would make reference to copycat bands but would avoid naming them individually, probably much to the chagrin of their interviewer (nothing like a little controversy, eh?). we'll never know exactly who they included in this group, but it doesn't take much thought to draw up a short list. which begs the question: why wasn't 'karaoke' included on _dotu_? no reason has ever been given by the band, but the simplest reason I can come up with is because it would have seemed out of place on the record. influenced more by art than music (I'm sure you've all noticed the liner artwork for _dotu_), soundgarden were very much aware of the impact of sequencing - the process of ordering the final tracks on a given record. my best bet is that 'karaoke' would have disturbed the overall story or feel of _dotu_, but more on that as I warm up. lyrics - well, if you don't know what chris is singing about on 'karaoke' by now, you must have been skim reading. and badly :) the lyrics are as follows: Gonna shake your head Gonna shake and spin Gonna pick it up abed with something new First I heard it in my car Then I saw it on the set It's nothin' I can't do It's nothin' I can't lick Oh, yeah You can hear it in the air You can feel it in your bones You can sing it in your head You can wear it on your clothes Oh, yeah You can steal it if you dare Just might get you where you're goin' I'm just a regular man Now I'm a regular mess Doesn't matter how you dress Doesn't matter how you fit Oh, yeah Chorus (you can hear it in the air...) I'm gonna show you someday Chorus You can hear it in the air You can feel it in your bones You can have it for your own May not miss you when your gone. nothing too difficult to follow there, although thanks to vikki anselmo I now know what the word "abed" means (an adverb meaning 'in bed'). the words are obviously a commentary on musicians who would claim an existing sound as their own; who would reproduce it with an eye to similar success. I think some of the lyrics also confront the packaging and homogonisation of the musical form by record companies, the media or the mass market that steamed kim so much, especially lines like "you can wear it on your clothes". interesting to me is the line "then I saw it on the set"; I'm guessing that chris is talking about the dreaded music video, which is somewhat intriguing because back in the dark ages (before I was born) it wasn't a music video that sold your records, it was the strength of the song or music itself. also of note is the similarity between 'karaoke's' lyric structure and that of 'fourth of july'. I personally find more than one parallel (in form, not sentiment) between "first I heard it in my car, then I saw it on the set" and "and I heard it in the wind, then I saw it in the sky". the chorus of karaoke is also kind of similar - "you can hear it in the air, you can feel it in your bones". which makes me think that in in order to criticise copycat bands, chris has copied his *own* lyrics. that would show a good sense for satire. but then again, maybe he just liked how the words sounded together, and the resemblance to 'fourth of july' was only passing and only borne of coincidence. two other points worth noting: 1. the "oh yeah" refrain is pretty funny if you think about it (surely this is chris' best attempt at pop lyrics yet?); and 2. I have *no* idea what "I'm gonna show you someday" means. any thoughts would be appreciated. music - musically, 'karaoke' is more than interesting. in fact, it can get down right absorbing if you spend too much time listening to it through headphones :) the length of the song is interesting, in that the song, as a sometimes commentary on copycat three-minute pop, runs for roughly six minutes (a comment in itself?). it is obvious that the band spent some time with this song, in constructing and layering its various sections. the vocals are heavily altered for the most part, using varying amounts of reverb and muffling. chris has also done multiple takes on some of the lyrics, making his words almost jump out of the speakers (his shriek of "it's nothin' I can't lick" comes to mind). also note the the whispered lyrics during "I'm gonna show you someday". I don't think there are more than two or three guitar tracks, in addition to, of course, ben's bass. from the feel of the song, I would guess that chris definitely played one of the guitar tracks. there appears to be a real dichotomy or divide present in 'karaoke'. the introductory thirty seconds of noise seem to be at odds with the general sound (although not mood) of the song's main section. since I have no experience in playing the guitar I don't know if the riffing is difficult, but I place it's speed somewhere above that featured in 'jesus christ pose', so I would guess yes. you can also draw a comparison to 'karaoke's' intro/outro and the chorus of 'ty cobb' or the verse of 'an unkind'; not much movement on the fretboard. from a drumming standpoint, the intro is at the same time extremely difficult and fuckin' cool :) mirrored by the sixty second outro, I'm not entirely sure how matt pulls off all those rolls and crashes. at any rate, I think that for once all four guys were working just as hard on their instrument as the next guy (only halfway joking). the opening and closing of 'karaoke', in a word, is furious. but as frantic as these parts are (the most frantic since 'circle of power' in my estimation), they clash with what I would describe as the laid-back swing of the song itself. yes, there is definitely an underlying dirtiness to the song's middle, and yes chris' vocals are by no means laid-back. but I would argue that the simple groove and, dare I say it, bounce of the chorus and verse sections are far less frenzied as the song's front and back. their mood, while confrontational, lack in musical terms the sheer attack of the intro and outro. kind of like the difference between 'jcp' and 'outshined' in many ways. both dark, but one more angry than the other. this was probably by design; if chris wanted to criticise unoriginal music, what better way than to write a halfway cheesy and certainly simple riff? the bridge takes the song nearer to its conclusion, leading directly into the final chorus. from memory there is no lead break or even much noodling from kim. the last chorus starts out low and soft, but soon breaks its own restraints (chris' vocals here are amazing, considering our wonder over his throat troubles/treatment of same) and hurtles headlong into the final breakdown, which as I mentioned before doesn't let go for another whole minute. I am curious as to the decision to tack these noisy sections onto the beginning and end of the song; are they there to challenge those who would steal from soundgarden or is are they just a plain statement of fact, this is what we can do, steal it if you can? interesting to me is that the cacophony they raise is somewhat the antithesis of their own sound (if you can narrow it down. which you probably can't or shouldn't), that sludgy/curdling world that was at the core of their sound and what attracted most of us to their music. so, a pretty good song. why didn't it make it onto a record instead of ending up as a b-side? I think that in terms of both lyrics and music it wouldn't have seemed right. I would even go so far as to say that it was discarded as a likely inclusion on _dotu_ somewhere in the middle of recording (the recording discrepancies point to a song that was "fixed" after _dotu_ was completed). it was obviously a song they wanted to release (evidenced by it's many formats), so I imagine it just didn't suit the overall mood of the record. musically I can't see where it would have gone. lyrically I can't imagine it on there. from 'pretty noose' to 'never named', from 'boot camp' to 'never the machine forever' there is one defining lyrical element. all the songs are very personal, except maybe 'no attention' and 'ty cobb' (at least I imagine they are), and 'karaoke' doesn't seem to hold that same element. it's from the heart, but it doesn't have heart in it. that probably sounds dumb, but that's the best way I can describe the difference. 'karaoke' is more brain than heart, I guess. so instead of hearing it out of context or tampering with the balance of the record, it ended up coming out under its own power. and for those of us who collect anything with "soundgarden" stamped on it, I guess that doesn't matter a bit ;) well, that's that. justin's soundgarden songbook, chapter one is finished . I hope that was worth your time and effort. if not, let me know and I'll make the next one shorter. no really, I will :) ----------------------------------------------- in your real life, treat it like it's special in your real life, try to be more kind in your real life, think of those that love you in this real life, try to be less blind words by vernon reid ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: Re: i've seen how you've given... In a message dated 97-04-21 23:32:23 EDT, you write: << ..So today, I sent a big > beautiful Cactus from the desert ...it blooms white flowers once a year and > is supposed to live for hundreds of years....whoever thinks that is stupid, I > don't care....it was something that i wanted and needed to do...and i hope > they enjoy it for at least as long as i have loved SG.... > *sigh* > eliza Now I want you to receive.... Hi there, Well, I dont think your choice of a gift was stupid at all, and neither will they Im sure. Cactus are beautiful, special things. I've sent stuff before, and worried it was uncool or whatever. I sent Montana sapphires, fossil gator claws, fossil shark teeth, crystals, all cool stuff ive found myself, kinda wierd but im a rock buff...;). I thought claws and teeth were kind of a cool thing to send them, well im wierd like that...hee hee. (Shit I hope they liked it)! You got the greatest gift of being a part of the Chicago expierence. You will *always* have that. That will never go away! ;) Matt is so nice and sweet and I really gained a whole new kind of deep respect for him for having the heart to do that for us. Wow, what a guy! His soul kiss, was a great touch. My soul needed that kiss. Yours too I bet ;). Take care Eliza...I know the breakup of this most excellent band happened for a reason we cant understand....yet...I take comfort in knowing it was meant to be this way. I hope you can too. Dam! Sorry to blah blah so much. ;) Carol ---->DustyGrrl (slave4cc has flown away somewhere...) ------------------------------ From: "Toni M. Roark" Subject: The gifts they gave I have been giving the gifts thread some thought over the past few days and I have come up with several. The first gift SG gave to me was their music. When I first heard BMF I had "been away" from music for quite a while. Had given up on it, didn't buy CD's or go to concerts anymore. But Soundgarden's music picked me up by my ears.....shook the cobwebs out and made me want to hear music again. The second gift was this list. The very first day I went online(9/95) I looked up Soundgarden and came across Seth's page. I joined the mailing list the next week. I have learned so much, traded for lots of music and videos and most of all made many friends....not just cyperpals but friends in the true sense and for them I am grateful. The third gift Soundgarden gave me was going to see them in Seattle in June. It was a huge hurdle for me. I had never traveled alone, gone to a concert by myself, stayed in a hotel on my own. I wanted to go so bad I overcame many fears(flying to name one)to go to Seattle. And I had such a good time I could and would do it again. The fourth gift Soundgarden gave to me are many many great memories that have a great soundtrack to go with them. The weekend of November 8th,9th and 10th are stored right up there in the top memory bank as a wonderful life experience. From meeting the band, to hearing them play like their hearts were on fire Sunday, to dancing a joyous dance with my fellow sommsters, to seeing my new friends in their jammies sitting around my kitchen table drinking coffee and talking SG! It hasn't been just a band.....it has been an adventure! Thanks Kim, Chris, Matt and Ben. You guys give hell of alot better gifts than the myrrh, frankincense and gold crap! And a special thanks to Matt for the note...did I mention before that I am a HUGE Matt fan and he is the cutest, best drummer and looks really great in his panties!! :))) (please disregard those sucking sounds you just heard -thank you) toni ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 98] ***************************************