From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 20 Apr 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 03:22:35 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Sunday, 20 Apr 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Entertainment Weekly live performances... Re: LR: NPJC: theory on soundgarden break-up... LR: NPJC: theory on soundgarden break-up... thoughts Re: live performances... Re: LR: NPJC: theory on soundgarden break-up... Re: live performances... WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Live album? Re: Re: LR: NPJC: theory on soundgarden break-up... Re: spread the music and the pests! poodoodles Re: I agree Re: The follow-up to Matt's post Re: I agree Re:Trust me, you'll want to read this Re: LR: NPJC: theory on soundgarden break-up... Matt and CC (The only Soundgardener) matts response The #somms hot-tub and spa Re: The #somms hot-tub and spa Re: The follow-up to Matt's post hehe... Boots? Some dork Another Reason oh man......... ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Fetal Bliss Subject: Entertainment Weekly I haven't read this myself; my friend told me over the phone: there was an article in the new Entertainment Weekly about SG with a some different news than most all the other articles. It said that the band really didn't like the whole touring bit (which some of us have heard before and regret). Also, though tensions have mostly been with Ben (esp. on stage), it said that Matt and Chris were having problems too... no one noticed innocent ol' Matt? ^_^; New light was shed on Ben, too, in that it was said that he wanted to develop SG's music further, though the rest were pretty happy... SG stagnant? I don't think so... What I think about this: concerning Devilhead (who everyone thinks really sucks and is undeserving of Ben (I have never heard them anyway)), perhaps Ben plans on single-handedly turning them around...? We'll wait for DH's third album... What else... Many Seattle bands were shaken by this and were considering splitting, including PJ & AiC. :[ Oh yeah, it was all from "a source close to SG" :P but hey, I dunno, I'd like to read it myself soon. What do you think? Eternal Soundgarden, Scott - -- On your breast I might lay my crowded head... In your mouth I might feel the serpent's kiss... In your eyes I might be your saving grace... I would feed your heart... But in your heart I'd freeze - C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: Stephen Frantz Subject: live performances... If only I could have heard tighter and tighter or overfloater live, this would have made my year.... What over songs would have you guys liked to of heard live but didn't? Stephen ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: LR: NPJC: theory on soundgarden break-up... At 08:29 PM 4/19/97 +0200, Martin And=E9r wrote: >On Sat, 19 Apr 1997 java4u@sos.net wrote: > >> This was taken from the Pearl Jam Mailing List: >>=20 >> Okay, remember how a couple of weeks ago, the drummer of Foo Fighters >> left. Well, they have since gotten a "temporary" replacement drummer >> (some guy who used to drum for Alanis Morisette). Well, what are the >> chances of Foo Fighters picking up Matt Cameron??? Just a thought... >>=20 > >I think Matt is far to good a drummer to play with Foo Fighters, I mean >he's been moving away from that punk rock thing for quite some time now >and I don't think (and certainly don't hope..) that he'll join Foo >Fighters since they are a bit in that direction. But I don't know Matt >so... with all due respect to the foo fighters (whom i love), matt cameron is not a drummer that you "pick up". =20 why can't people leave the now -former members of soundgarden ALONE???? jesus! why hasn't it occurred to people that what they do in future is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS! no, they can't let them be, they have to poke and poke and poke and poke and poke and POKE and i hope to fucking HELL that matt cameron hasn't read any of the digests lately because he would see what a bunch of losers some of us are. there is no new news. there has been no announcement. we will know what the band members are going to do when they do it. can you please give them some dignity and peace and respect them by leaving them alone for a little while????! - --caryn ------------------------------ From: java4u@sos.net Subject: LR: NPJC: theory on soundgarden break-up... This was taken from the Pearl Jam Mailing List: Okay, remember how a couple of weeks ago, the drummer of Foo Fighters left. Well, they have since gotten a "temporary" replacement drummer (some guy who used to drum for Alanis Morisette). Well, what are the chances of Foo Fighters picking up Matt Cameron??? Just a thought... **************************************************************** LongRoad - A Pearl Jam Mailing list / To post email: longroad-L@iastate.edu To unsubscribe email: majordomo@iastate.edu / in the body of your letter type only: unsubscribe longroad-L **************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: java4u@sos.net Subject: thoughts Didn't think this day would ever come To the point of dark depression I see their faces once again But only on a cover Together I want them to last Although they must move on I hope to see them all again Even though they'll be departed Peace Love Empathy Rachel =( ------------------------------ From: GGarbini@aol.com Subject: Re: live performances... I would have loved to have heard "Overfloater" and "Tighter & Tighter" live, too. Those songs would have been amazing live. Love, Giuliana ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_And=E9r?= Subject: Re: LR: NPJC: theory on soundgarden break-up... On Sat, 19 Apr 1997 java4u@sos.net wrote: > This was taken from the Pearl Jam Mailing List: > > Okay, remember how a couple of weeks ago, the drummer of Foo Fighters > left. Well, they have since gotten a "temporary" replacement drummer > (some guy who used to drum for Alanis Morisette). Well, what are the > chances of Foo Fighters picking up Matt Cameron??? Just a thought... > I think Matt is far to good a drummer to play with Foo Fighters, I mean he's been moving away from that punk rock thing for quite some time now and I don't think (and certainly don't hope..) that he'll join Foo Fighters since they are a bit in that direction. But I don't know Matt so... /martin. ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_And=E9r?= Subject: Re: live performances... On Sat, 19 Apr 1997 GGarbini@aol.com wrote: > I would have loved to have heard "Overfloater" and "Tighter & Tighter" live, > too. Those songs would have been amazing live. > > Love, > Giuliana > When I saw them last October they didn't play *any* (well almost...) of my favourites, among them the two already mentioned plus Mailman, Limo Wreck, Zero Chance, Mind Riot, Fresh Tendrils, Like Suicide... (I could go on for ages...) Kinda pissed me off, it was a great show though, even if would have liked to hear a lot of other songs than those played. /martin. ------------------------------ From: The Spoonman Subject: WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHRIS IS NOT SOUNDGARDEN!!! I mean, I he was a big part, but how bout the AMAZING lead by KIM THAYIL or drumming by MATT CAMERON!! (however ya spell it) I can't beleive I'm hearing this! I wanna know what Kim is gonna do. Who knows? He'll be the JIMMY HENDRICKS II!! Well, C-YA L*ter! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- The music lives . . . S O U N D G A R D E N 1 9 8 4 - 1 9 9 7 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- ------------------------------ From: DunWei@aol.com Subject: Live album? I was listening to the radio last night. 105.7 (or .9 -- I dunno) FM said that SG will release a live album as their last one. BUT, the DJ also said that "Ben and Matt already have a new band and album coming out", referring, I assume, to the new Hater. So, I dunno...can anyone confirm or deny? Dun-Wei ------------------------------ From: DML4646@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Subject: Re: Re: LR: NPJC: theory on soundgarden break-up... Caryn Rose wrote: >why can't people leave the now -former members of soundgarden ALONE???? >jesus! why hasn't it occurred to people that what they do in future is >NONE OF OUR BUSINESS! no, they can't let them be, they have to poke and >poke and poke and poke and poke and POKE and i hope to fucking HELL that >matt cameron hasn't read any of the digests lately because he would see >what a bunch of losers some of us are. >there is no new news. there has been no announcement. we will know what >the band members are going to do when they do it. can you please give them >some dignity and peace and respect them by leaving them alone for a little >while????! There is nothing wrong with speculating on the future of the former Soundgarden members. We're all a bit upset regarding the future of our favorite musicians, and imagining them working with other musicians we like makes it a little easier. No one said "Matt, join Foo Fighters please!!!" It was just idle, harmless speculation among other fans of Soundgarden. There was no harm done and there is no need to attack people for stating their opinions. As far as AIC and PJ breaking up in response to SG breaking up, I don't know if I could handle that. While each breakup could mot be as painful as that of Soundgarden, combined with the not yet dull pain of the loss os Soundgarden it would be way too much. We can only pray that it dousn't happen. (PS: breaking up in response to SG's breakup would be a stupid reason) SS Right now I'm Down on the Upside, But soon I'll be Ultramega OK. Although the future is Superunknown, They'll always be Louder Than Love You get so much Fopp In this Screaming Life, All you can do is show everyone your Badmotorfinger. ------------------------------ From: dani.wegelin@prodigy.com (MISS DANI G WEGELIN) Subject: poodoodles alright, this is my first post to the list in forevers...aol, being the bastards they are, cancelled my account...okay, that aside. wow, wanna hear how i coped with the sg split? i played my whole sg library (14 cd's, a tape and a vinyl) all day and made a list of bands that it should have happened to...like the spice girls...or the fine young cannibals.... okay, enough of that hi i'm back...bye dani oh yeah Sg r u dead? non.---VERY funny. i like it. oh yeah again, what's with this chris was soundgarden shit? i mean, even my LEAST favorite member of sg (ben shepard) had a HUGE impact on every song! I'm sorry, but take away kim, ben, and matt, as cute and loveable and intelligent and gifted as CC -is-, soundgarden wouldn't be jack. okay...ttfn ------------------------------ From: Tiffany Saint Subject: Re: I agree On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Metkulu wrote: > I agree! I could care less about the other members. Chris is > Soundgarden. Huh. I disagree; I think Soundgarden was as perfect a blend of talents as I've ever had the pleasure to hear. I WISH I agreed with you, because then I wouldn't have to be so unhappy about the breakup. By the way (sorry about the non-Soundgarden content, but I can't resist) If you play guitar and live near Sacramento, and are looking for a band, please email me privately to set up an audition for a band that plays original (not covers) rock. The band has a drummer, bass player, & rhythm guitarist/singer and is looking for a lead guitarist (vocal talent is, of course, a plus). Tiffany - ----- Experimental Media Research Laboratory, Northern California For more Information, http://emrl.com or email INFO@EMRL.COM. ------------------------------ From: Tiffany Saint Subject: Re: The follow-up to Matt's post Thank you, seth, for forwarding that message from Matt. Reading it brought me to tears (once again) over the loss of Soundgarden. I feel more bittersweet about it now, though, rather than just bitter. Tiffany - ----- Experimental Media Research Laboratory, Northern California For more Information, http://emrl.com or email INFO@EMRL.COM. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: I agree From: Ben Timberlake I was thinking about the "Chris is Soundgarden" thing. I couldn't help but mind-jump to that No Doubt situation where all the band members are upset because gwen gets all the attention. (please note, here, that i'm no fan of no doubt). Then, I imagined Soundgarden in the "don't speak" video. Kim, Matt, Ben mugging for the magazine camera. Chris wearing a tiara. Matt doing that crazy juggle thing with the orange. Then, to top it all off, Chris singing to Ben about their former relationship. It gave me a good chuckle. Oh man, I'm gonna get unsubbed for this. -- Ben Ben Timberlake This is the way the world ends Northwestern University Medill School of Journalism pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~bft718 btimlake@nwu.edu -30- The music lives . . . S O U N D G A R D E N 1 9 8 4 - 1 9 9 7 ------------------------------ From: SndGrdn45@aol.com Subject: Re:Trust me, you'll want to read this Hello. Wow, that message made me cry. A lot. I'm really glad that at least one member of the band knows how much love people had for Soundgarden, and how painful the breakup was. I still can't get it thorugh my head that Soundgarden does not physically exsist. I can never see them, ever, in my whole life. But we still have the music and memories of them, and I'm really glad that Matt knows this. I'm really glad that he knows the love that so many people had for the band. Oh no, I'm crying again. It's weird. I have such strong love for the band and it's members (ex-members?) and it's a very special love that I have only for them. I'll never have that for any other group or any other people. Thank you Seth!! Music and Love can Save Us, - -antonia ------------------------------ From: Bosshogrox@aol.com Subject: Re: LR: NPJC: theory on soundgarden break-up... In a message dated 97-04-19 15:22:08 EDT, you write: << why can't people leave the now -former members of soundgarden ALONE???? jesus! why hasn't it occurred to people that what they do in future is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS! no, they can't let them be, they have to poke and poke and poke and poke and poke and POKE and i hope to fucking HELL that matt cameron hasn't read any of the digests lately because he would see what a bunch of losers some of us are. there is no new news. there has been no announcement. we will know what the band members are going to do when they do it. can you please give them some dignity and peace and respect them by leaving them alone for a little while????! >> As far as the foo-fighters thing:i really dont think matt and foo fighters mix well. Dave grohl seem s to be on a page of his own as far as creativity and it doesnt seem to be something matt would be interested in ,anyways i think he can make his own band! As far as the other thing, don't get so offended we are just curious,we like them,we want to know about them,we want more of them.-besides that letter was hardly an invasion of thier "dignity"and "peace" ------------------------------ From: Ali@Worldnet.att.net Subject: Matt and CC (The only Soundgardener) It was nice to hear from Matt, but please everyone heed the words of Caryn, LEAVE THE GUYS ALONE!!!!!!!!Let them get some MUCH needed peace. I know we all love them and may even feel like they are family to us, but they are only human and humans do get tired. I too felt the way Matt felt when Tony Williams died, as I also felt that way when another one of my favorite musicians died, Harold Melvin. But I felt such relief when I found out the only reason SG disbanded was because they wanted to pursue other things and not because of a members death. When I saw them last year I thought to myself, Get some rest guys, you need it BADLY.. I was glad that I got to see them perform live, and would have loved to see them again, but is it worth it if your unhappy, bored or just in plain need of a break. and....... Although this has been responded to enough, I just had to say something about it.......CC is Soundgarden?......Good Grief!!!......Well what the hell was Ben Shepherd, Matt Cameron, and Kim Thayil. I guess they were just figments of our imagination, somepeople just taking up space so Chris would not have to stand on stage by himself. I'm sorry to post this to the list, but this statement got me so irratated (correct spelling?) I had to speak up. I know everyone has their own opinions about what makes up a band, but I thought a band consisted of more than one person. Perhaps if it were called Chris Cornell and Soundgarden then you could look at it in a different way or maybe not. But to say that CC was SG please........Someone help me on this, am I wrong or what. I should not let it bother me but, to me that is almost like disregarding any contributions that Matt, Ben and Kim have made to SG over the Yes (forgive me for forgetting which member said it)15 years of SG's existance in one form or another. Instead of fawning over CC, why not just fawn over the music, I'm sure that was their original intent to begin with. Chris is a very attractive man, Yes, but so are Matt, Ben and Kim, and that certainly is not the reason you should listen to them or any other band for that matter. I certainly cant wait to see what magic these guys have up their sleeves.(Did I spell that right?) Well just speaking my mind............Sorry didnt mean to make it so long. But good lord..............CC (laughs)!!!!!!! ali........ p.s. Matt if you ever get chance to read the SOMMS digest in the future, thumbs up to playing with Billy Cobham... ------------------------------ From: Ali@Worldnet.att.net Subject: matts response Sorry Seth I also meant to thank you for forwarding Matts response. Two gems in one day, to much for me.(smiles) ali........ ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: The #somms hot-tub and spa The hot tub is open and steamy hot.... COMMING SOON, THE MCDS!!!! STAY TUNED! The List Thug and SOMMS Sheriff, Aaron ------------------------------ From: Tiffany Saint Subject: Re: The #somms hot-tub and spa On Sat, 19 Apr 1997 ThNrthFace@aol.com wrote: > COMMING SOON, THE MCDS!!!! STAY TUNED! Matt Cameron Death Squad, huh? Sounds interesting.... - ----- Experimental Media Research Laboratory, Northern California For more Information, http://emrl.com or email INFO@EMRL.COM. ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Re: The follow-up to Matt's post seth, this was such a great thing to read, this post from matt. i'm not as upset as i was a few days ago about the breakup, i realize i love the band's music and that will and can never die. it's been created. you cannot un-create something. and when it's beautiful, it lasts twice as long as forever and touches tenfold more deeply. thanks so much for letting us read this and thanks so much to mattster for taking the kind time out to write us and let us know something. i didn't expect something like this at all, and i'm pleasently surprised and comforted with your words. i've got nothing else to say. thanks both of you! mind riot ____ listen here he is inside... SOUNDGARDEN 1984-1997 ------------------------------ From: cornell Subject: hehe... This may upset some people but at this juncture in this long hall to emotional recovery I could not give a damn!! I do not care so much what the rest of the band does. I cannot imagine going another day, I cannot imagine exhaling and inhaling another breath, and walking one more step with out Chris Cornell's passionate voice flowing out of my stereo like a sweet flowery essence. I cannot begin to speak of the emotion this man puts me through when I hear his poetry transcribed through lyrics and songs. Chris is a poet. He is my Deity. His words bring me new inspirations, hopes , dreams, satisfactions, wholeness and light. So do not tell me he is a grown man and can drink and smoke and do whatever he feels. Do not tell me he is not a role model. Do not speak to of such vices. He is not purposely a role model,and he has no responsibility to as one. However, he is an idol to me and others. He does not have to change for us, for me. I accept him as is. I suppose I just fear not hearing his sweet rhythmic words, his empassioned voice full of life, love rage, intrigue and feeling. I can accept his drinking and smoking, but I would die inside, vegetate into oblivion if I could hear the melodies I hear now when I put in Superunknown, Down on the Upside and Temple of the Dog. Chris makes the band. Chris is Soundgarden. Chris is Temple of the Dog. Chris is his next band. Chris Cornell is not a GOD in your sense (I do not believe in God so for those who believe in it) He is not physically superior but what he exudes and gives to us, to me, is far superior to your God, infinitely infinite, omnipotent, perfect, etc. I worship the ground he walks on and the music he makes because without him and only him I would not realize all the significant things I came to realize. Without him/his music I will not realize all the things I hope to see when he makes HIS new band. Excuse me if I sound disgustingly poetic or pseudopoetic but this is CC's doing. He has brought out another side of me. I have more to say but I'll let you all take this in first. I must go sleep now....my soul is at rest for now..or maybe just numb..... - - --The words you say never seem to live up to the ones inside your head----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- one question....if Chris Cornell is the whole band...than why was it once described as "one of the most democratic bands"? Why do you listen to Applebite, Zero Chance, Somewhere, Limo Wreck, etc, etc. Howcome Chris didn't say "Fuck you Ben, we don't need you, you're out of the band" when Ben was getting into fights with Kim? Or why didn't he say "Fuck you Kim, we don't need you, you're out of the band"? Oh. Because Chris isn't and wasn't the whole band. My bad. Gregg - -- d i s i l l u s i o n http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 "bring it down and under-in" --------------------------------------------- soundgarden:1984-1997 http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2/boots/back.htm --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: cornell Subject: Boots? Does anyone have the "Into the Upside" or "Blow Up the Outside" bootlegs? Wouldja be willing to trade? E-mail me! Also, does anyone have ANYTHING with "Christi" on it? I have the REading '95 boot, but the quality is pretty bad...I can't make out chris' words, and the music is kinda bassy...I have an itch to hear this song SO BAD! Gregg - -- d i s i l l u s i o n http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 "bring it down and under-in" --------------------------------------------- soundgarden:1984-1997 http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2/boots/back.htm --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Noah D J Dee Subject: Some dork This is in response to the tool who said that Chris is the entire band. I didnt know that Gavin Rossdale was on this mailing list. This obtuse craftsmen tried terribly hard to sound eloquent and poetic in his wrenching story about fetal position blues, but his end result had about as much coherency as "screaming daisies from fourteen miles away". This is the kind of kid who thinks "do you feel the way you hate \do yyou hhaate the way you feel" is a profound statement. Are you all afraid of this kid as I am? Do us a favor, whoever you are: Go back to the fetal position, and leave the "flowery essence" to the Spice Girls. "My place was beneath you, but now I am above, and now I send you this message of love." Noah ndee@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: JAMES COLES <808state@pixi.com> Subject: Another Reason Hi All, Just got my entertainment weekly in the mail today.There's a small article about the break up. This one says"creative conflicts surfaced during the recording of DOTU,when frontman Chris Cornell and drummer Matt Cameron disagreed with guitarist Kim Thayil over how much the band's sound should evolve". And it goes on about the Hawaii thing Etc...... It seems as time passes we'll hear more&more reasons for the break up,but will we ever know the truth? Just thought I'd share.....Aloha....Nancy ------------------------------ From: "McMahon Potvin" Subject: oh man......... Damn...... you are intentitled to your opinion about Chris being Soudgarden and all.......BUT IT AIN'T TRUE.... The way i see it, throw Chris out of the band and throw in Mark Arm on vocals and the band will still be a damn good one......... heheheh......that's my opinion..... Oh, and another thing to those who think "That Chris is Soundgarden".......YOU ARE NOT SOUNDGARDEN FANS.........you're Chris Cornell fans...... Again, this was not aimed to hurt anyone..... you are intitled to your opinion.... just try to respect us SOUNDGARDEN fans a little bit!!!!!! Now i'm not sayin i won't by a Chris Cornell solo record if it comes out, i just like the whole of the band more than the individuals.........(although Seasons was pretty good....) Marc ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 96] ***************************************