From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 19 Apr 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 14:42:41 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 19 Apr 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: SOMMS. SOMMS? SOMMS! Almost recoverd? Re : B-side and covers Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 12 Apr 1997 Plain SG silliness... whhhhhhooooooooooaaaaa special gifts My two cents Chris' hair Re: Soundgarden Gifts I agree Re: I agree Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 12 Apr 1997 Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 18 Apr 1997 re:My two cents Re: I agree Re: I agree Re: My two cents Can A sg fan help me out Re: I agree Re: Sg acronyms Heard it from another room. . . Re: Heard it from another room. . . ------------------------------------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: SOMMS. SOMMS? SOMMS! We interrupt your regular miserable Soundgarden breakup posts for a special announcement: I GOT SOMMS!! I know, it's kind of late now, but at least I'm going down in glory now! Yes, I, me, myself, The Guitarist, have gotten meself a copy of the great and almighty BMF/SOMMS, courtesy of our very own Luck's Last Match (J)! Happy day in ex-Soundgardenland . . . SOMMS: (to the tune of the Spam Song, by Monty Python's Flying Circus) SOMMS SOMMS SOMMS wonderful SOMMS SOMMS SOMMS amazing SOMMS SOMMS SOMMS ...I don't remember the rest...but you get the idea . . . I know return you to your regularly scheduled mourning . . . The Guitarist-April 9, 1997 "It's gonna be to dark to sleep again" - Rusty Cage, Soundgarden, Badmotorfinger ------------------------------ From: JAMES COLES <808state@pixi.com> Subject: Almost recoverd? It's great to see that things are somewhat back to normal on the list,and that everyone is recovering from the shock of it all!!! These 4 men together as a band,will be greatly missed,but their music will live on forever!! By the way,I am thinking of buying some inflatable soule.Yes I know they sound nothing like SoundGarden, and I have the address and all that stuff,but I don't know which CD to buy.I know they have 2 CD'S out which one would you recommend? Please help:| , Aloha.........Nancy ------------------------------ From: "Farsi" Subject: Re : B-side and covers Someone wrote: >Who did Waiting For the Sun originally? And BTW - it's on Waiting on the >Upside... by Snow Recordings. WOTU is a bootleg from the last Lolla... Waiting For the Sun was originally recorded by The Doors. Farsi ------------------------------ From: ooyesiku@brynmawr.edu (Olukemi Oyesiku) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 12 Apr 1997 I will probably get verbally bashed for saying this but I don't really care what the other band members are doing. I care only to hear the sweet melodies of Chris Cornell, his awesome heart wrenching lyircs and his awesome mastery of the guitar (although not better than you know who of the band) I cannot for the life of me dream of living without Chris' words, voice and music. Right now I am going through a phase where i cannot ------------------------------ From: RoseeMisst Subject: Plain SG silliness... Been a while, since I posted about you guys, huh? Just got lazy. Anyways... Moon Druid posted: > FYI - Diamond Lie is the original AIC... DL was a glam metal band. If > you have sap, the pictures that the guys are pissing on are their > pictures from Diamond Lie. > oh...that's what that was! I own the cassette version, and I thought that was just some artsy-fartsy collage. Never really paid attention to that before. Now for some SG material: Thanx seth, for putting those pix on the site. To the rest of 'yous'...didn't you know? There are about 17 new pix(and a few more on the way), including that infamous Peavey ad Shroom talked about some time ago(http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/images/gui0494p.jpg). I think it's on her wall. Also, in the same directory for images, you should definitely check out 'gui0494d.jpg'. It's an image of Kim. My friend swore that man was Charles Manson! When I told her he wasn't even caucasian, she gasped, 'no...you're kidding!" Imagine, Killer Kim...The Guitar Ripper... But some of you already know about these pix, anyway. Tendrils posted: > just a short one, me and another obsessed Sg fan came up with this > acronym, it may just cheer some of you up... :) > > > Sg r u dead? non. Thanx, Tendrils! Witty way of using the band's name! I commend you, and I will crown your 'tendriled' head with a wreath of Fresh Deadly Roses(with thorns)... heheheheh...I'm silly... :P Anyone read skye's posting of the Guitar World SG article? Sure made me feel good. It wasn't too long ago that: SG was not headlining Temple of the Dog was released and re-released Singles (movie and soundtrack) were released SG were bowling with Riki Rachtman(what a great episode...the debut of Chris' new 'do) There was such a thing as Body Count okay, I'm getting carried away...that article brought back some good feelings. But then there's some kind of humor in the article: Chris disses himself(or is the 'Wailing Adonis' just being modest?) He says stuff like: "I'm too shitty of a guitar player to do that" [when told he could have a 'career on the coffee house circuit as a solo act'] Oh come on, Chris. You're no Kim Thayil, but what did you do on 'Seasons', huh? Mind you, this article is before everyone and their mama recognized Superunknown, but it seems in this article that Chris is belittling himself. I guess you have to read it to understand what I'm saying. (Oh yeah. I said it. Wailing Adonis. He may not have rippling pecs, but you get the idea.) Carol sez: > I though chris cut his hair while on tour in europe or somewhere.... > how much money you wanna bet she still has it? > ;) 'What will Chris Cornell's hair be doing next? Will he be like thousands of other men and get a GQ-esque Caesar cut, or will he keep the Satanic Spiked Afro, his signature hairdo? All this and more on the next episode of Hard Copy...' see you in #somms! @-^ RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: "McMahon Potvin" Subject: whhhhhhooooooooooaaaaa Soundgarden and Bodycount touring together.............that would have been fu**** wild.......... Imagine Chris and Ice-T yellin f*** the police as Kim lays some monster solo and Ben kicks around every technician he can spot.....................whoooooaaaaa....... i'm mindboggled by this.... Later.. Marc ------------------------------ From: Larry Grover Subject: special gifts Remember, we do not really KNOW them, only what they have chosen to reveal to us, and yet, in that many of us have found something or someone to identify with. I know I have, and while I won't elaborate here, I will say that they gave me a big shot in the arm of self-acceptance at a time when I very badly needed it. And they helped give me the guts to say fuck you to anybody who tries to make me into something I'm not. For many of us Soundgarden have been the champions of the insecure. That's something that, for me at least, is not likely to ever go away. Jen Grover ------------------------------ From: DML4646@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Subject: My two cents Here's how I see it: Hiro, Chris and Kim were thre musicians who admired some of the same musicians. They got together and made music that they liked. One day they came to the realization that they could make money by sharing their music with others. But their primary motivation was always the music itself. Matt and Ben joined because they felt the same way. Everman was history because he didn't feel that way. They say they respected his ability, and they got along with him. He just wasn't compatible. This mentality is what made them true artists, and what separates them from Bush and 311 and all those other sellouts. Perhaps DOTU didn't live up to their standards. It was good enough for us, but perhaps not good enough for them. Record sales had nothing to do with it, I'm sure. They've never been a consumer-friendly band. Maybe just been was disappointed with the record, or maybe just Kim. Or maybe all of them. Personally I love the record, But it does lack some things that previous albums had. It doesn't have a sense of continuity, a feeling that the record is progressing towards an end, like their previous material does. Although the individual songs are excellent, I think they could have been sequenced better. Putting Never Named after BIMH and then Applebite after that is one of the greatest mistakes. Instead I would put Applebite between Overfloater and An Unkind, and Never Named between Rhinosaur and Zero Chance. I finally got Screaming Life/Fopp just a week before the breakup, and I now have a tie for my favorite album. I can't decide between that or Ultramega OK. I'll just have to listen to both, alternating for hours on end :) SS Right now I'm Down on the Upside, But soon I'll be Ultramega OK. Although the future is Superunknown, They'll always be Louder Than Love You get so much Fopp In this Screaming Life, All you can do is show everyone your Badmotorfinger. ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Chris' hair Carol wrote: >I though chris cut his hair while on tour in europe or somewhere.... >how much money you wanna bet she still has it? When Hype was previewed at the Sundance festival there was a Hypemobile there with various 'grunge' exhibits on board. And a lock of Chris' hair was included in the exhibition! UKDeb aka trivia queen ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Re: Soundgarden Gifts The gift Soundgarden gave to me was the friends I have made here on the mailing list. You know you are! Feel free to puke at the above statement, but it's true :-) UKDeb aka saccharine queen ------------------------------ From: Metkulu Subject: I agree I agree! I could care less about the other members. Chris is Soundgarden. ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: I agree On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Metkulu wrote: > I agree! I could care less about the other members. Chris is > Soundgarden. i was going to go off on a patented tirade, but then thought better of it: this is so stupid as to not even merit a response. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: ooyesiku@brynmawr.edu (Olukemi Oyesiku) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 12 Apr 1997 IS THIS TRUE THAT THEY WILL REGROUP AFTER SUMMER AND FALL OF '97. SOMEONE WROTE THIS ON APRIL 12TH MAILING LIST. HELP ME I HAVE GOT TO KNOW. IS THIS ANOTHER SICK JOKE OR ANOTHER FUCKING RUMOR???? TELL ME, TELL ME, ANYONE BEFORE MY HEART EXPLODES....AGAIN........ - --KEMI SG OBSESSED FAN ------------------------------ From: ooyesiku@brynmawr.edu (Olukemi Oyesiku) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 18 Apr 1997 I let the pain subside to a place where I thought nobody could touch. I cried when I first heard the news. I fetal positioned next to my dorm room door and cried and chocked on my pain. It felt horrible, like death lingered in the air. The death of a great band is what it was. Then I cried,...and now....now my pain resurfaces from numb repression. What I feel now is greater than I could have ever possibly fathomed. I read all these things my fellow mouners write and feel the chunks rising in my throat. You all, your words are a reminder of what I tried to supress. The power of words are trully incredible and this is what people do not understnad and some can never comprehend!! This may upset some people but at this juncture in this long hall to emotional recovery I could not give a damn!! I do not care so much what the rest of the band does. I cannot imagine going another day, I cannot imagine exhaling and inhaling another breath, and walking one more step with out Chris Cornell's passionate voice flowing out of my stereo like a sweet flowery essence. I cannot begin to speak of the emotion this man puts me through when I hear his poetry transcribed through lyrics and songs. Chris is a poet. He is my Deity. His words bring me new inspirations, hopes , dreams, satisfactions, wholeness and light. So do not tell me he is a grown man and can drink and smoke and do whatever he feels. Do not tell me he is not a role model. Do not speak to of such vices. He is not purposely a role model,and he has no responsibility to as one. However, he is an idol to me and others. He does not have to change for us, for me. I accept him as is. I suppose I just fear not hearing his sweet rhythmic words, his empassioned voice full of life, love rage, intrigue and feeling. I can accept his drinking and smoking, but I would die inside, vegetate into oblivion if I could hear the melodies I hear now when I put in Superunknown, Down on the Upside and Temple of the Dog. Chris makes the band. Chris is Soundgarden. Chris is Temple of the Dog. Chris is his next band. Chris Cornell is not a GOD in your sense (I do not believe in God so for those who believe in it) He is not physically superior but what he exudes and gives to us, to me, is far superior to your God, infinitely infinite, omnipotent, perfect, etc. I worship the ground he walks on and the music he makes because without him and only him I would not realize all the significant things I came to realize. Without him/his music I will not realize all the things I hope to see when he makes HIS new band. Excuse me if I sound disgustingly poetic or pseudopoetic but this is CC's doing. He has brought out another side of me. I have more to say but I'll let you all take this in first. I must go sleep now....my soul is at rest for now..or maybe just numb..... - --The words you say never seem to live up to the ones inside your head----- ------------------------------ From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY) Subject: re:My two cents i agree with your statement about their motivation behind their music but I would like to add that when they became SO BIG as they are now then they felt alot of presure to sell records and fill concert halls half way filled with people who really didnt care about anything except that they were on MTV , fans of pop music , just their to see a rock show . Also I think they've gone as far as they could , they've made 6 albums with a huge varying in styles and songwriting in them all and they've reached the end of the road , better to quit while your ahead . It saddens me that they've broke up , they were ( still are ) a great means of joy and expression for me , something always to look forward to , but for them personally I am GLAD they broke up . Chris was bugged eyed and skinny at the show I went to at the Patriot center in Nov and Ben hardly got into it at all . change happens sean ------------------------------ From: Bosshogrox@aol.com Subject: Re: I agree In a message dated 97-04-18 20:00:30 EDT, you write: << On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Metkulu wrote: > I agree! I could care less about the other members. Chris is > Soundgarden. i was going to go off on a patented tirade, but then thought better of it: this is so stupid as to not even merit a response. --caryn >> this is awful stupid,maybe you should listen to the music and not perv over pics of chris ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: Re: I agree In a message dated 97-04-18 20:12:43 EDT, you write: << Subj: I agree Date: 97-04-18 20:12:43 EDT From: Metkulu@concentric.net (Metkulu) Reply-to: Metkulu@concentric.net To: somms@MIT.EDU I agree! I could care less about the other members. Chris is Soundgarden. >> You just dont get it, do you? Carol ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: Re: My two cents In a message dated 97-04-18 21:11:05 EDT, you write: << But it does lack some things that previous albums had. >> Not enough screaming, right? Chris's lyrics sound the best to me, when hes screaming his guts out in that magnificant way he does, because that gives it force, power, and intensifys the emotion of the song ;).-------------->IMO My new fav's as of 2 weeks ago when I was gifted FDR ~~~(thank you again u kno who u r :)~~~ Toy Box Heretic FDR Cold Bitch Ahhhh, nothing can relax me better than falling to sleep with that blasting in my head phones... Carol ;) ------------------------------ From: Bosshogrox@aol.com Subject: Can A sg fan help me out IS there a web ring for sg or their type of music in general, please e-mail me if you know how to get there! ------------------------------ From: Joshua M Wilson Subject: Re: I agree On Fri, 18 Apr 1997 Slave4cc@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-04-18 20:12:43 EDT, you write: > > << Subj: I agree > Date: 97-04-18 20:12:43 EDT > From: Metkulu@concentric.net (Metkulu) > Reply-to: Metkulu@concentric.net > To: somms@MIT.EDU > > I agree! I could care less about the other members. Chris is > Soundgarden. > >> > > You just dont get it, do you? > > Carol > Interesting how this works. I play in a band in seattle (i wont mention the name) but these comments sadden me. I read these responses about soundgarden and i have never posted, though i suppose now is the time. All bands will have the silly followers that hook into the singer and forget what else he is surrounded by-the energy and music of himself interacting with his band mates. Soundgarden is an interesting example. Chris Cornell has been plagued with this similar music television/pop culture disease. It was inevitable, we all knew it. What saddens me is that the band has moved on at a time that they felt fit and people type in like it was the CC Quartet and the others have merely backed him for 15 years-yes 15. Chris started playing the drums when he got involved in music and still has been doing much of the music writing which warrants further attention, credit and recognition. I am sure that Kim, Matt and Ben have all laughed about this image of Chris though i feel it to be devastating to music as art and not necessarily to music as entertainment. What is the difference? People who play when they are poor and have nothing else but the music and words they write and the songs that are made up from such vision. Trying to convey something, or just to get it out as catharsis. Music as a sort of healing process and life work-not entertaining the masses at the music television spring break beach house. Is all music art? Perhaps, though its up to the individual to decide. I can't condemn the music you listen to, i can't judge you on my terms-its irrational. I can only consciously choose what music i listen to because of the feelings it creates inside me, the influence and impact it has on my daily experience and the thoughts and purpose the words and sounds provide me with. Indeed music is an experience not just a hit single as Soundgarden and others have demonstrated to all of those who identify with this post. As consumers we have turned our musicians into celebrities and icons, and as a result of that they are no longer artists in this culture, they transcend the fact that they are humans creating something that others might identify with or be touched by. I am guilty as well, and perhaps there is no way around deeming them famous and incredible. I don't mean to condemn our motives for listening to music in American society, I mean to ask ourselves what that means and why? Is it because Chris has an amazing voice and we like it when he takes his shirt off? Obviously this is partly the case and hence the saddness gifted to those of you all who identify with the words and notes and history of a bands experience. For those of you who listen to Chris Cornell i can't condemn you or your reasons but i ask you are you getting something out of this? It seems to me, observationally, that you don't care about this man's work (and who he has shared the last decade and a half with) but you care about him as an icon to you. If you don't like the music then you don't. To many on the list the music is beyond listening to Superunknown a few times to check out the radio cuts. We listen becuase it creates something inside of us that no other band could have incited in the exact same manner that these musicians did when they got together to record a song or play a show. Please pay attention to why Chris Cornell was up there for so many years. Please ask yourselves to transcend your old ways of thought. Forget your selves for a moment and turn down the No Doubt, ask yourselves why this effects you. What about this makes you put a post out to others concerning such a band? I can only feel sorry for your opinions as much as i respect the right for you to have opinions that contradict my own. I am under the strong impression that Soundgarden is art and not merely entertainment for youth culture in america. maybe i am wrong and have been fooled for so many years. Perhaps its all been a lie that has kept me going, but when you talk with Matt Cameron you see something in the man's eyes. When you stand outside in the seattle rain with Ben and Matt before a Hater show you can't help but feel something real. When you see Kim Thayil at a small Truly show, by himself you can't help but wonder. Its not about fame and money to these guys. Its not about being the american rock stars you created them as, its about playing music and getting something out to others who have an interest and a caring. I respect these four men equally for their efforts, (not to leave out Jason and Hiro) and the energy and time they took for themselves and you and I. Their music moves me and Chris's voice burns through me as only some of us understand. Ask your self why they didn't play Black Hole Sun at the Grammy's? Ask yourself that-And when you run into Chris downtown one day, you can ask him. Keep live music real Keep music alive, take care- jwilson ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: Re: Sg acronyms In a message dated 97-04-17 07:13:28 EDT, you write: << Sg r u dead? non. >> That is funny and still so sad. Soundgarden, are you dead? Yea, we are. Sorry to hurt you all. But we had to do it for ourselves, ya know. Yea, we know, we know. Carol @---->------------ ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Heard it from another room. . . On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Olukemi Oyesiku wrote: > Superunknown, Down on the Upside and Temple of the Dog. Chris makes the > band. Chris is Soundgarden. Chris is Temple of the Dog. Chris is his > next band. Yep. As a matter of fact, I heard that during the shows, Kim and Ben aren't even plugged in, and Matt's mics are turned off. They just "air guitar" and "air drum" along to a tape prepared by Chris. The only reason Chris keeps them around is to help move the equipment. I'll bet you guys didn't know that. Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And all the sky went silent Cracked like glass and slowly Tumbled to the ground --C. Cornell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And be sure to check out http://www.indiana.edu/~drumline/home.html ------------------------------ From: Bosshogrox@aol.com Subject: Re: Heard it from another room. . . In a message dated 97-04-19 01:27:40 EDT, you write: << Yep. As a matter of fact, I heard that during the shows, Kim and Ben aren't even plugged in, and Matt's mics are turned off. They just "air guitar" and "air drum" along to a tape prepared by Chris. The only reason Chris keeps them around is to help move the equipment. I'll bet you guys didn't know that. Ross >> YEAH, thats because they like having their musical talents wasted for twelve years, why play instruments even if you're good,if you can pretend!And don't you say they dont have talent cuz kim can outplay just about anyone around! ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 95] ***************************************