From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 13 Apr 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 03:24:10 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Sunday, 13 Apr 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: SGDN radio Loud what a day :( :( Re: Leave Ben alone. :P yes, PLEASE leave Ben alone Seattle Music Scene Re: so, this is it the first and sad message to all of you! a statement READ ME!!!!!!!!!!!! prognostication of the end and other random lyrics Thankful for you guys......... you have given me life. sup pop 100 SG radio station still and forever tripping the line SOUNDGARDEN THERAPY Hey..... SOMETHING TO BARE WITH THE PAIN RHINOSAUR Re: SG radio station thanks to sg ????? remember i love you love you MD Pack, containing... Responses to lots of messages and my retrospect on the b Okay, enough the year crap a request hi. A look back oh dear God What's happening??? soundboard bootlegs? Gaining Perspective Re:Learning Experience/ A small mercy Re: The Top Ten ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Jason S. Lewis" Subject: SGDN radio I just have to say, that this is the coolest thing ive ever seen in my life. Reason alone to buy real player ------------------------------ From: firebug@canuck.com Subject: Loud To anyone in Canada, or anyone else that gets MuchMusic, Soundgarden will be (were) on Loud tonight. I expect it will repeat sometime early tomorrow morning as well. - -------------------------- alyssa firebug@canuck.com ------------------------------ From: JAMES COLES <808state@pixi.com> Subject: what a day :( :( This has got to be the worst month in my life so far.Today is my 29th birthday,what a bummer.Every year on this day I will be mourning the loss of my favorite band. :( I guess that I should look on the upside,I got to see them here in my home town (Hawaii) which will now be the place where they last performed.I got to meet some really cool hoochies(vikki,Eileen&corinna) went back stage,met the band,got autographs Etc... All we can do now is sit back and see what these guys do as individuals(I can't wait). ALOHA GUYS XXX0000.........Nancy ------------------------------ From: Rita Subject: Re: Leave Ben alone. :P > > (or > something very close to this) > > Oh, please. None of this was Ben's fault - and if it was his, is was just as > much everyone else's as well. And please people, even if for some reason you i knew this was gonna start, because we don't know what happened, the speculation will now begin...blame it on chris, he wants to go solo, blame it on ben, he's just to damn mean no, blame it on kim, he just wants to drink beer and philosophize, and finally, blame it on matt..well we all know matt can do no harm cuz he's an angel, the "nice one" remember? :P just forget it..stop pointing fingers, it solves nothing, just creates pointless gossip and it does not bring them back. and about the them owing us something. i feel that they have given all of us the most precious and valuable thing they ever could...their music. it has enriched us and touched us in ways that no other could. you all know what soundgarden has done for you in your life and just what an invaluable gift that was, who could ask for anything more. however, when a band (not *just a band*..i swear if i hear that one more time, there will be a killing spree, menedez style, in my home) that you have invested so much of yourself in to, breaks up, you can't help but want to know why...i think thats natural, and i really don't think anything's wrong with it. and while they gave us sooooo much, we gave alot back to them too. and i just hope they don't forget us. rita ------------------------------ From: Larry Grover Subject: yes, PLEASE leave Ben alone Thank you Benlover. I am so sick of people picking on Ben, especially the media. They're just grasping at tabloid straws. For cripe sakes, he wasn't some unknown to them that they picked up on the street! He knew them for years before he was ever in the band. He was 12 when he met Kim! They wanted him in the band. He just wears his emotions on his sleeve more. His displays of frustration were a symptom, not a cause IMHO. This is no one person's fault. If it was they would just get rid of that person and go on (read my lips: J-A-S-O-N). If he was someone they just couldn't get along with he wouldn't have been with them for, what, 7 years? Anybody that thinks Ben was ever somehow disposable doesn't know how to read songwriting credits, or how to listen. What, you'd rather they had kept Jason? Go ahead, flame me. I can fucking take it. Hang in there, Benlover. I'm with you. Jen Grover ------------------------------ From: "Farsi" Subject: Seattle Music Scene Seattle music scene is time bomb that going to exploded completely very soon, it's possible that Alice in chains and pearl jam will also break up in the near future (maybe not, hopefully not). It seems that these lyrics had told us the future: - - The wreck is going down - - Get out before you drown Farsi ------------------------------ From: "wyn" Subject: Re: so, this is it Vasant wrote on Sat, 12 April 1997 13:01: >to add to the hurt, I also feel guilty. I mean, I was perfectly fine at >school today, not pissed off or anything, happy as usual. then I read about >some of you guys crying and stuff. I feel I should be more upset than I am. >it makes me feel like I don't love soundgarden enough. Well your not alone in this feeling of perhaps not liking them enough. I was really sad when I read my e-mail about it I couldn't even tell anyone, I just couldn't say the words. I got up at 5.30am to go to uni checked my email, I just couldn't believe it when my brother got up (he's actually one of the few people who understands my obsession with Soundgarden) I just said go look at the computer and just read the subject headings on the email, he then joke a little about this which I expected. I may have at a few times almost started crying over it (like when I caught my bus to uni and switched on my walkman and heard soundgarden or when I read over the email I have gotten) but not quite like what people have written about. Although I have mourned their parting in my own way. Well at least my friends at uni were considerate enough not to take the quick stab but they weren't going to empathise. I feel lost in the middle between people who don't care enough or at all and people who really, really upset over it more than myself. >I can't say they've changed my life or anything. They haven't I suppose changed my life either except in changing my taste in music in to something which I see as better also because of that I'm now also addicted to seeing bands live and because of that I now associate with different types of people and I believe I'm better for it. One day the "..feeling of peace.." I have always gotten from soundgarden will return and I wont feel sad listening to their albums. I only wish that now I had another band to listen to for a while because soundgarden would always alleviate a bad mood but now it just aids in my depression. Although much of what I have written is depressing there were some points that weren't at least we both know that there is two of us we don't need to feel guilty. Bronwyn wyn@powerup.com.au & Wyn ------------------------------ From: Luca Ruffini Subject: the first and sad message to all of you! Hi everyone! I'm here for the very first time and...this is not a good time! I'm sad because of latest news 'bout our dear garden, but I feel a nice sensation to read all your messages; of course, I don't know anyone of you, but I feel you near to me and I hope it's the same for you, my friends! Maybe this mail was not necessary in a moment like this, in which no words are requested, but this was only a way to say "I CARE ABOUT YOU, BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE FEELING!" Ciao! LACHI :,( The best song is that song they will never play (here, everything goes well) ------------------------------ From: don't@bother.com Subject: a statement hi, I'd just like to send out a big FUCK YOU to all the motherfuckers who are so Goddamned selfish as to even think of uttering a foul word toward Soundgarden! Who the fuck are you? They don't owe you shit! Try listening to "boot camp" or any of their other songs that say, "man, I'm really getting sick of being the slave of this image." Show some fucking respect to the greatest band of all time! And to ANYONE who dares to have the balls to insinuate that Ben was the cause (fucking shepherd or fuck ben) can kiss my ass! I'm glad you were in the band, asshole! Maybe you'd like to enlighten us further you stupid shithead?! And finally, another big FUCK YOU to all the people who consider this to be the fucking CHRIS CORNELL BAND, because it WASN'T! Life sucks, play hard ------------------------------ From: dumo13@erols.com Subject: READ ME!!!!!!!!!!!! HEY! Just in case anyone is speeding through the digest! HHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!! I think this is a GOOD IDEA!!!!::::: You know how Seth makes up Birthday cards to send to the band on their birthdays? Well, I think we should have one to give everyone a chance to tell them (briefly) the effect they've had on us, and just how much we appreciate them! I don't see how we could not do this, I mean how could we NOT do this????!!! Whaddaya say Seth?! northern virginia chris AKA: Liverman "BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED YERRRRRR HEARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTT OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWT!" Somehow smiling! ------------------------------ From: DML4646@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Subject: prognostication of the end and other random lyrics "Endless ending/And comprehending/Nothing of the sense you're sending..." All of "I Awake" All of "Somewhere" "Looking for a pedastal/That I can put you on/And be on my way..." "And the candle was burning yesterday/Like somebody's friend died..." "Give up to fate, you don't have to need me/So let it go, let it go, let it go..." All of "Fell on Black Days" ""I woke the same as any other day you know/I should have stayed in bed..." "Cry, if you want to cry/If it helps you see/If it clears your eyes..." All of "Zero Chance" All of "Blow Up The Outside World" "...Just an anchor on my heart..." "...It's only forever..." "Get up/Get off/Get on with your life..." "On the storm/It's time to go..." "Head high got to smile/Head high like a song you like" even if it's all Ben's fault, I can forgive him because of that line SS Right now I'm Down on the Upside, But soon I'll be Ultramega OK. Although the future is Superunknown, They'll always be Louder Than Love You get so much Fopp In this Screaming Life, All you can do is show everyone your Badmotorfinger. ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Thankful for you guys......... More than ever before I am thankful for the list & its members. As I struggle with feelings of disappointment and loss, no one around me in real life relates. They all look at me like "I can't believe you're upset over a band". At least I can find solstice in the list. A place where over 800 people share at least some kind of loss with me. It doesn't make what happened any better. Not by a damn sight. But it's nice to feel some companionship. Thanks. I also want to say at this time *NOW MORE THAN EVER* we need to keep the list alive. This way we will keep a network to keep us all up to date on side-projects, new projects, solo ventures, or reunions. Let's vow to keep this alive. Lance ------------------------------ From: Fender Subject: you have given me life. As Soundgarden parts from their music, the music is still living within all of us. As one other fan on this list quotes, "We've been to the mountain and back." Well, I beleive they're gonna go back to the mountain. I pay a tribute to the gods at HTTP://WWW.WORLDY.COM/~BUCCI/ but I'm not here to advertise. I'm here to thank all the fans, and especially Soundgarden. Personally, I blame this on the month APRIL. (cool eh?) did you know that the lead singer for METALLICA is going deaf? He's got a disease in his ears. From too much rock. But it happened in April so...Yeah, I guess it's pretty stupid theory but, now, my motto is ... (not to fans) "HARD HEADED FUCK YOU ALL!" Good bye. "We don't go to hell, just our memories do..." \\|// (o o) (_) ------------------------------ From: Raul Agrait Subject: sup pop 100 hello, i know im not on the list anymore (quit last february if anyone cares). but i was wondering if i could get someone's opinion on something (and maybe spur some talk not related to the break up [ive read recent digests on seth's page]. anyways, i was record hunting last night and i stumbled upon a copy of sup pop 200 on cd. i was wondering if im an idiot for not buying it last night. it was only $6 or $7. if anyone here who owns it could write me back (via email, not the list) and tell me more about it, (not just "sup pop rock city") it would be really apreciated. - -Raul ------------------------------ From: cornell Subject: SG radio station Have you guys checked this out at the imusic site? The SG Radio station. Except for the breaks in the songs, this is the ultimate! If only we had one of these things in real life, like a real radio station....constant SG while you cruise the web. Great. Check it out before imusic takes it down. One more thing...I know this is a sucky time to sound like a leech, but would it possible for me to get the in the mouth of decadence compilation? It has some b-sides that I'll probably never get my hands on, and was waiting till the next album (hah!) and new singles to get a compilation....please, someone mail me. Gregg - -- d i s i l l u s i o n http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 "bring it down and under-in" ------------------------------ From: Krakhead13@aol.com Subject: still and forever Well as you can probably guess this is another post about the disbanding of our favorite foursome. For the past two days in high school I have been consistantly ragged on because the people in my classes all know what a freak I am over the guys. Even in the halls I've had to deal with the occassional "didn't you hear about that band SG breaking up?" and " Now that SG is breaking up who you gonna pick for your fave band now?" Well I have just one thing to say to them and everyone else. " SG is still my favorite band. And I just can't seem to accept that they are gone. So the way I see it is SG is still SG and they always will be. Nothing can change who they are and what they did. I just see it as they aren't producing or proforming any new material." 4---> SG JUST LIKE SUICIDE PAM. ------------------------------ From: cornell Subject: tripping the line I know I'm a posting maniac today, but I just have to know one thing... Have I stepped over that line that seperates fan and fanatic? I went to the imusic site and downloaded(stole) that picture they have of Chris that says "Soundgarden 1984-1997". I printed it out in small picture size on a stiff piece of white paper, cut that out and put the picture in my wallet...I just have to know...am I now insane? :) Gregg - -- d i s i l l u s i o n http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 "bring it down and under-in" ------------------------------ From: "McMahon Potvin" Subject: SOUNDGARDEN THERAPY PLEASE READ...... Hey to all in trying to cope with our lost... Just wanted to say that SETH IS RIGHT. If you wanna live the best SOUNDGARDEN experience available to all right now, pop in BADMOTORFINGER and krank up the volume... put on Mind Riot or Room A Thousand Years Wide, and you'll live it all over again... At first, i just didn't want to do that, cause i thought it would be waaaaaay too painful..... BUT YA KNOW WHAT? IT's one the best moments i've had with this band.... i definetly recommend this... go on, stop reading the digest for now... and go crank it up... or then again, read the digest with the previous songs...... i hope the experience is a good for you SOMMSTERS...... Marc Potvin ------------------------------ From: "McMahon Potvin" Subject: Hey..... SOMETHING TO BARE WITH THE PAIN hey ya'll after checkin' out seths' page, i thought it was cool that she had the SONG OF THE MONTH.... Tell you what, i'm puttin' out my own SONG OF THE DAY.... each time i post i'll have a new one...cool huh? oh well..... Here's todays song: MIND RIOT go listen to it.........now......you won't regret it. Marc Potvin ------------------------------ From: "McMahon Potvin" Subject: RHINOSAUR Hey!!! I was just wonderin', since everybody is talking about Rhinosaur being the new single..... HAS A NEW CD single been put out????? Hey Steven R. Jr., or any of you that could help me........ could you please post about this?? Thanx... Marc......... ------------------------------ From: alisa brozena Subject: Re: SG radio station what's in the mouth of decadence and how do i get it? to all you NY area Sommsters>>>>> i got the confermation from K-Rock today that the tribute will be tomarrow night at midnight (which is techncally Monday). So get your blank tapes ready! lee *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Whomsoever I've cured, I've sickened now And whomsoever I've cradled, I've put you down... -C. Cornell *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* ------------------------------ From: "Tom Paterno" Subject: I would like to thank Soundgarden for their music. Tom Paterno ------------------------------ From: "Jamie C." Subject: thanks to sg i have to thank soundgarden for breaking up when they did. i 'm just as disgruntled as the rest of you, but i must understand that this is a band that doesn't treat their music as a business, they treat it with respect. i'm looking forward to seeing (hearing?) what these guys will do next. will hater continue on? i hope so. i'm can't wait to hear devilhead. a chris cornell solo project would kick ass. anyways, my computer lab is closing, so i'm out of here. don't worry, soundarden may be finished, but the music wil never die. - -JAmiE C. - ----------------------------------- "All hail king Neil, the reject monarch" (YOT, "Neil") - ----------------------------------- visit! www.toptown.com/TOOCOOL/tackman - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: #1 Brat Subject: ????? "i'm thinking of your highness and crying long upon the loss i've found..." zero chance of ever turning this around? so many of his words are coming true again. is it stupid to still hope? maybe... but half of me still is. i'm so confused, and i think that's the worst part...my head is spinning - i feel indignant, dejected, alone... and yet still hopeful at the same time. and it's all so surreal - i just keep thinking *this can't be*. on one hand it makes absolutely no sense... and on the other in a way it does. i keep thinking 'tomorrow we'll hear that it was all a big mistake.' to anyone out there who's blaming Ben, show some goddamn respect. just remember that we would've never had Soundgarden as we know it without Chris Cornell, Ben Shepherd, Matt Cameron and Kim Thayil. we would've never had "Ty Cobb," "Zero Chance," "Dusty," "Slaves & Bulldozers," JCP, "Head Down," "Half," "Somewhere" w/out Ben. and that's why i just can't understand it. how much more music could they have created together????? they belong together. it was kismet. there's so many bands & artists out there that i love, so many different kinds of music... and Hole's gonna start recording a new album, David Bowie's on tour... and suddenly i don't care. *my favorite band* has broken up. i don't care. hardly anyone around here knows, or cares, or understands. the person who calls himself my father had a flash of genius & offered these kind words - "what the hell is all this trouble about? so a band broke up, so what? that happens, bands break up." yes Frank, i guess you've forgotten all your Beatles records down in the basement. i guess you've forgotten that you once loved something, or at least claim to have. i'm the last person in the world who would ever discredit any of them as individual talents who are brilliantly gifted who can stand on their own. i would never in a million yrs think that. but together they formed *the greatest band in history*... how can they give that up? how can they let anything destroy that? i was thinking last night - another indication that the press release was dead wrong is the fact that there's no farewell tour... something like that most likely would've been planned. at least if there was a terrible fight, at least if they just can't stand eachother right now, at least that can't last forever... i just want to know *why*. anything's better than not knowing. but i'm also scared of what the reason could be. but i just want to know why. somebody mentioned "Boot Camp" a while back & said it has a whole new meaning for them now. "there must be something else, there must be something good, far away..." well there is. and they found it in Soundgarden, and so did i. ~Lorraine "and you know you have it still, Heaven inside you..." ~Jerry Cantrell, Alice in Chains ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: remember i love you love you guys, to try and brighten this up a bit (please don't flame me for this, i am really upset about this whole thing, just hearing chris sing brings up tears) i scored some good stuff last night in an attempt to make myself smile. I went to the local vinyl store, the first thing the guy says is "how are you doing with it?" = ) i'm way too known for loving SG. so i go and hit the ususally bland SG file, and pull out four amazing things! UM OK on black 12" (8.99) Flower on black 12" (7.99), SU on clear double vinyl (9.99) and that limited ed JCP etched 12" for 14.99. ! i was so happy, i walked around the store clasping them to my chest like i'd been given the greatest present of all. best thing about it was they had just put the stuff out that morning. and i got all of it that night. it made me happy, like the good SG gods felt so bad for us, that they smiled down upon me for a few moments and let me be happy. they had a LTLIve blue 12" at one time and sold it before i got it. very upsetting. but this eased my hurt of the goodbye of my best friends just enough for one night. just thought you might want to know that there's still good out there... sabrina- do you still want me to mail that stuff to you? mind riot (not happy in anyway, but dealing slowly) ____ like somebody's best friend died... whatsoever i've feared came to life... would you cry for me?... head high, got to smile... i feel the hurt surround me... sleep tight for me, i'm gone... burrow down in and blow up the outside... won't you come and wash away the rain?... remember, i love you, love you... * april 9, 1997 - the day the music died * ------------------------------ From: Moon Druid Subject: MD Pack, containing... Responses to lots of messages and my retrospect on the breakup > From: THE SPOONMAN > Subject: my last day with soundgarden > > they r really breaking up! > > this time this is final! I don't want to be the negative one, but I'm trying to think of a time that it wasn't "final". Actually... I'm drawing a blank on when they broke up the first time. > BULLSHIT! they broke up because they r sick of one another, I was > never > intrested in their personal life, only in their music, but I know > that > such a successful band will break up only because they just dont > want to > be together anymore. I'm also not sure about their solo career. to > make Come on. I'm not the band, but if you think about it, you can figure out what's going on. It seems that Ben was getting too irritable recently. If you know about Hater, you know that Matt and Ben were in it together. And you should also know the rumor behind the title. Matt and Ben "hated" that Chris and Kim were always thought of as the core members of Soundgarden... as the band's soul. Matt was probably indifferent on the matter because of where he stands with Ben. Chris and Kim probably decided that kicking out Ben would risk problems with Matt... but further that they didn't really want to kick Ben out. He'd become a part of Soundgarden. If you listen to interviews, you can tell that they all click really well. The other problem there would probably be that Chris, Kim, and Matt don't want to go through finding another bass player. Before, they had a lot to look forward to. They wanted to keep going. They wanted to be big, it seemed, when they signed to A&M. Everman didn't work out, they found somebody else. But now... who's going to be good enough to fill the hole? You lose Ben, you lose a lot. It's better to end it gracefully than pull a Black Sabbath and reconfigure so many times that it's not even Sabbath anymore. > I looked at some soundgarden pics. and I noticed something. they r > never > seem close in their pictures! they dont have a friendly group shots > like > PJ have (I know that those shots r probably just an act, but > still...) > and on DOTU cover they actually look like complete strangers! this > is > scary. Oh... please don't do this. The last thing I want to see on this list are people saying that you could tell breakup was imminant from the first demo recordings. (i.e. If you listen to "Nothing To Say" you realize that the band is saying that when we break up you'll have nothing to say.) > I tried to listen to SG today but I couldnt handle it I broke up > after > temple of the dog. It will be hard for me to hear their music for a > long > time. Please don't do this either. You know what... you should listen to Limo Wreck. It'll help. Moon Druid - ------------------------------ > From: Matt Woosley > Subject: I woke the same as any other day > void. I have to say something regarding the breakup of the most > influential > band in my life. SG was something solid that I could hold onto in > this hell > of a world. That rock is now gone. I can't even begin to imagine > anything > that could come close to replacing the music they made. It has too > much Nothing has to replace it. It's still there. If you fell in love with Soundgarden's old music, you can still love it. It's like when a relative dies. You aren't supposed to grieve over them day and night for the rest of your life. You should still love them. You should still feel for them. But you also have to know that life goes on. You still have memories. > those on this list. I curse myself for not being able to see them > live, but > the experiences of those here on SOMMS made me feel as though I had > gone to > a concert. The posts I read the last two days made my cry but also > helped me How do you think I feel? I live in Chicago... right near the Aragon. I drop in and out of this list. If I would have stayed on another month I would have heard about SOMMS fest... and I would have gotten to go backstage. Moon Druid - ------------------------------ > From: Gimpilater@aol.com > Subject: What kind of CD's am I going to buy now? > > This sucks shit does'nt it? I have been waiting and hoping for a new > SG CD to > come out and now it never will. Sound Garden has slowly but surely I can tell that you're a big fan. Jesus... Soundgarden. One word. Not Sound Garden or even SoundGarden. Regardless, there's still lots of great music out there. Mudhoney, Screaming Trees, the Dynomites, the Bollweevils, the Melvins, Skin Yard, Mother Love Bone, Green River, Tad, Devilhead, Hater, Center for Disease Control Boys... I could keep going. Do you really want me to? Moon Druid - ------------------------------ > From: "ARIE ELMALEH" > Subject: ben joined devilhead > > Hey guys, > I have some good news for you. I just heard on 102.1 The Edge in > Toronto > that Ben has joined Devilhead. See? They all are still going to > stay in > the music biz, or at least a couple of them will. Let's not dwell > on what Gee... that's a blessing. (FYI - this was probably a key reason of the breakup) > I'm still in great shock. But I realized that I have to face the > truth, > and I have to beleive that the ex-members of Soundgarden will move > onto > other projects, maybe even re-unite someday. > All you have to do is beleive. I wasn't planning on doing this, but now I have to. These are my predictions for where and what Soundgarden will do. Here we go... SAD VERSION Chris Cornell will embark on a solo career in which he releases a few albums. Many of the songs are just Chris and a guitar. Other times he invites friends to play with him. Matt plays drums once, Kim guitar once, but other than that other people. Morissey II. Kim sits around in a bar in Seattle and heckles people as they walk in. Matt joins up with another band. Devilhead does okay. BAD VERSION The members of Soundgarden try things, but it doesn't work out. In ten years, they have a reunion concert like the Eagles and Kiss. Prior to that, they get up on stage to present an award at the Grammys in which hundreds of adults males still in suits and ties get up and cheer (a la Van Halen) SCOOBY DOO VERSION Soundgarden makes another public announcement saying that they never actually broke up. They run to the A&M press center and find the people who issued the announcement. Upon tearing off their masks, they find that it's actually Jason Everman hiding under the mask. Jason has been plotting his revenge ever since becoming an Airborne Ranger. VINTAGE SEATTLE VERSION Pearl Jam breaks up within a year. Jeff Ament and Stone Gossard get back together Alex Vincet. Instead of Mark Arm on vocals, they take Chris Cornell. (Hey... no offense to Bootsy for leaving him out, all right?) Matt rejoins Skin Yard. Something tells me Daniel House's time has come... Ben stays with Devilhead. Kim sits around in a bar in Seattle and heckles people as they walk in. OPTIMISTIC AND YET SURPRISINGLY POSSIBLE VERSION Ben goes with Devilhead. They do well enough... I suppose. Matt does stuff with Seattle bands for a few years. All the while, Chris has tried some solo stuff but misses the guys. Chris, of course, keeps in touch with Kim. When Kim is not sitting around in a bar in Seattle heckling people as they walk in, he and Hiro are back together with some other people. Kim joins Truly? Chris does some stuff with Kim and Hiro, and they decide that they've got something going after all these years. While jamming one night, Kim starts to play Beyond The Wheel. Chris sings Black Hole Sun jokingly during the start of the song (he has sung Hey Jude and Stairway in there, you know). Soon after, they go to Matt and ask him if he wants in... mainly because Soundgarden is not Soundgarden without Matt -- could you envision any other drummer? I'm not sure if they'll call themselves Soundgarden again, however. Moon Druid - ------------------------------ > Subject: The wreck is going down... > From: seth > through headphones, and I promise you will hear new music. The band > has given us something that will always be fresh, always new, and > always exciting, and it will last forever. Cherish that gift and > don't > let the music die. And if you've got 25 bucks to spare, go to a music store and buy a bootleg. I just bought "Waiting On the Upside" recently... great boot. >From the last Lolla show in California this year. Bad title, though... Moon Druid (still) - ------------------------------ > From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_And=E9r?= > Subject: News... > > Another email just dropped in saying that Alice in Chains has broken > up > too. Far from official though... (They have "broken up quite a few > times...) Ahhh... Layne'll die of an overdose before they break up. And as far as them regrouping, I'd say it's 100% bull as of now, since there's nothing backing it up. But I wouldn't be surprised if something happened soon enough. (Guess who? Moon Druid... oh... whaddaya know...) - ------------------------------ Well... hey. I'm back. And what a welcoming party it is. This is a very different scene from when I first joined this list however many years ago. Different people talking about different stuff. And sad stuff, too. Don't get me wrong. I love their music. I'm broken up about this whole thing. I didn't cry, though. I didn't give myself time to be upset. It was like a strange high when I saw the announcement. I just paused... my life paused.... I tingled. And then I put in Superunknown. And after a few minutes of soothing, everything got better. I still wish they had never broken up. But I havn't shed a single tear. I havn't been angry. Burning a candle is a cool idea, so I plan on doing that tonight. I'm just gonna play guitar, sing, and watch a candle burn down. Be peaceful for a little while. I rarely give myself that opportunity. So I'm bringing back my official position from a while ago. There used to be wicked flame wars on this list, and I was proclaimed the Official Unofficial Gardener to stop the insanity. So I'm the Unofficial Official Unofficial Gardener and this is what I need to say... Let's stop mourning over this. We can be upset, but we've got to move on. Why look at it as a death? It's a loss, but there's still music out there. There's still hope. Let's talk about the band's music. The way it was. The way it still is in jewel cases and on vinyl. I'm going to start the conversation, because it's not easy to do. Favorite song off of each album and then a favorite B-side and bootleg - -- don't forget to say why!!! Screaming Life - Entering - It's got that pounding drum and the overpowering bass. Kim mixes in there pretty nicely. Chris's scream is too amazing to describe. And Matt was definitely working hard on drums. Then again... when isn't he? Fopp - Fopp - It's fun. You can sing it up on stage and get people to sing and dance along with you. Ultramega OK - Mood For Trouble - This was a tough one for me to choose, but the song is so incredible. Just when it reaches a peak, it backs off. It's almost confusing. Louder Than Love - Gun - Noisy, chaotic, angry, and a good "I've had a bad day" song. Badmotorfinger - Somewhere - There's so much to it. Lots of emotions. Distress and hope and joy and then disdain and a little more hope and... aww.. you get the idea. Superunknown - Like Suicide - The guitar solo. That's what makes this my favorite song. Down On the Upside - Tighter & Tighter - The guitars, the vocals, the drums... pure Soundgarden. The band at it's best. B-side - Show Me - It's a great song. Thanks Devo, for writing it in the first place. Bootleg - Real Wild Children - Two discs of intense fun. You can envision Chris running around on stage. Plus, it's either three or four concerts. Really good music. Moon Druid ------------------------------ Subject: Okay, enough From: seth This is getting silly. We don't know why the band broke up. I know that many of you cannot feel a sense of closure until you find out exactly why things happened the way they happened, but you're going to have to wait. Saying it's Ben's fault is as pointless as saying it's not Ben's fault. Deciding it is Ben's fault and then debating the issue of firing him from the band vs. breaking up is utterly ridiculous. You don't know what happened, I don't know what happened. Just leave it alone. On a related note, we don't know what the band members will be doing in the future. We'll know if and when something gets released or they show up somewhere. If Matt says he and Taz are going to be on the Flying Traps CD, I'll believe it when I see it. If Chris says he's releasing solo material, I'll believe it when I see it. If Kim says Dark Load is going on a world tour, I'll believe it when I see it. The only thing we can be sure of is that Ben did play with Devilhead, since they had a gig last Friday. That was the last appearance by any member of Soundgarden. Whether he continues to play with them is anyone's guess. Will they release anything together? I'll believe it when I see it. seth PS - Moon Druid, you're fired. ------------------------------ From: Stoojizm@aol.com Subject: the year the past few years have been great for me with all the acheivements that have been accomplished by me and others.we have all ppreciated the fact that soundgarden has and will always be the best grunge group.that's why we gotta keep the faith and still listen to the best,maybe by some act of craziness the will get back,but i doubt that very much.i was pissed off at the fact that they broke up,i got my friend to listen to soundgarden and now that he is into it they broke up.let the garden sound forever man,let it be what it is.i have brought so many soundgarden cd's and they have all pleased me,the minute that i get my car,i'm gonna pay a tribute to the best SoundGarden.well that is all for now. ------------------------------ From: "Polly, Eliza" Subject: crap ugh......i thought maybe i was beginning to get over this thing, and not letting myself see their faces or hear their music was really helping me....then i had to go watch MTV News and i totally lost it....and they just *had* to show the clip from the Grammys "hopefully we'll be back in the studio soon"...dammit... and on top of it all, the ISPs in the Midwest are all out, detached from the Net, so I don't even have my somms mail to turn to.... i should have stayed in bed eliza ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: a request listen, we've been through this a zillion times. many of you can't stand pearl jam. that's FINE. however, to keep CONTINUALLY speculating based on ZERO FACT that "they are going to break up soon" because they are "doing nothing" is 1) STUPID and 2) NOT TRUE. you all know how you all feel right now, right? it sucks, right? so why would you so carelessly and thoughtlessly speculate on the breakup of a band that an awful lot of people care about. you want everyone who's a pj fan to feel the way we are right now?????????? i wouldn't mind if the comments were at least partly intelligent... but they're these broad sweeping statements that CLEARLY show that you know fuck all about pearl jam. and if you want to debate this with me, go right ahead. off list. i'm waiting and would LOVE to chat with you. seth, get that midget out of your kitchen yet? ;-> - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Alice Childress Subject: hi. I mailed the list yesterday with my sob story about how unsensitive my best friend has been to me lately..well, we're made up now, a good thing. But since the whole thing with him has been settled, it's given me time to get depressed about Soundgarden; before this, I didn't have time to be sad over it....especially since like I said I have a bunch of favorite bands now...but now I just feel really horrible. I'm listening to Down On The Upside and I don't know if I can listen to it much longer...for now, anyway, its just too depressing. I've been wearing Soundgarden shirts since I heard of the breakup, and I was in the mall tonight, and I see two kids, one with a Slayer shirt, and as I pass them I hear one whisper to the other "Did you hear about Soundgarden?"...ugh.. And it kinda pisses me off too, because now that it's happened, I want to show that I still support SG, and I used to have my car covered with Soundgarden stickers, but I got the whole thing painted and so they took the stickers off..and I try to go out and find a new one for me car but I cant find one anywhere..grr... But back to the topic..I think I speak for all of us when I say Soundgarden was more than just a band to me. People who haven't been affected by music in the same way as I don't understand how I feel right now. They cant. Soundgarden's music was and still IS a best friend to us all. It's always there for us. We can go and turn it up at high volumes when we are gurgling with pleasure, and when we feel extraordinarily shitty we can use it as a sort of shoulder to cry on. Its reliable, its always there. More than I can say for some people. And its sort of like that friend has died, but you have memories and other things to hold on to, and so it hurts, but it doesn't feel quite so bad. If I said this to any of my friends, they would get pissed at me. I really miss the band. I remember how excited I was when SU and DOTU came out (I didn't find out about the band until a little while after Badmotorfinger came out) I'll never know that again..sure there are other bands whose new releases I'll eagerly look forward to, but Soundgarden is unique. They were there for me at a time in my life when I really needed someone or something to hold on to. I'll never forget them for that. They showed me how good it feels to be dedicated to something. They are my biggest influence, yesterday, today and in the future. enough of this sappy bullshit :D overfloater. ------------------------------ From: Dave Subject: A look back Well i finally saw the week in rock, and the little (and I do mean little) retrospective wasnt all that bad. I like the old footage. Oh well I applaud them for calling it quits before it got out of hand. Before they turned into a tired old rock machine. It took alot of guts, and I guess it was for the better. I am waiting to see what Chris does, I doubt and can almost bet that Temple of the Dog will not resurface. It did run through my mind but I'm sure Pearl Jam is alive and well. Is it better to burn out than fade away as the song would say? Or is it better to be remebered for a long list of work that will never age, that will remain as fresh as it was when it first came out. Soundgarden have done it and been there, vice versa. So now the collecting begins, go out buy all the bootlegs, singles, vinyl, videos whatever you can get your hands on. Even buy all the solo project recordings. Soundgarden is still alive, the music remains, and so do the memories. Soundgarden not only musically satisfied themselves but along the way the satisfied us, and by doing so not compromising what they whated to be and held on to all their musical integrity, other bands have failed but not Soundgarden. Dave, proud member of the Soundgarden preservation society. ------------------------------ From: SndGrdn45@aol.com Subject: oh dear God Did any of you see the thing on MTV News about SG? I guess it was their career in review. I'm sure most of you did. I saw it again today, but didn't cry as much this time. Yesterday after I saw it I was hysterically crying for like more than half an hour. But I was crying so hard, it was uncontrollable. I just kept on thinking,"Twelve years. Why?" over and over. Yes, of course there were 50 other thoughts and questions in my head. I won't name them all because we all have questions, probably all the same. I get even more depressed after I read each message, it breaks my heart. I can't accept the fact that Soundgarden doesn't exsist. Chris, Kim, Matt, and Ben are no longer together making music. That I'm listening to something that physically doesn't exsist, but exsist's in our hearts. I can't take it anymore. - -antonia ------------------------------ From: SndGrdn45@aol.com Subject: What's happening??? Sorry for posting, but usually righ after I send something, I remember something else. Anyway, today is Hiro Yamamoto's birthday. I wonder how he feels about the breakup. There was also an article in the New York Post (my friend cut it out for me, so I don't know what page it was on or anything) about the breakup. It was just explaining the whole story, and stated the comments from A&M. But I'm really worried now, because this is definetly the end of "grunge." No Nirvana, No Soundgarden. I have a really bad feeling about Alice in Chains (who doesn't?) and I don't know about Pearl Jam. Everything is becoming, dare I say it, techno. What's happeneing to society? - -antonia I also searched through the New York Times, and didn't find anything on SG. ------------------------------ From: Brian Subject: soundboard bootlegs? The big breakup has got me reminising about the three times I saw SG live and I was wondering if anyone had any SG soundboard bootlegs? I'm also looking for decent copies of the three shows I went to: Downing Stadium, Randalls Island NY 7/11/96 Syracuse, NY 7/13/96 Roseland, NY 11/16/96 Thanks. I'll trade off my list for something worthwhile. ======================================================================== "Are you gonna bark all day, little ----- doggie, or are you gonna ---- ------------- ---- bite?"-Micheal Madsen, ---- - ---- Reservoir Dogs -- - - - - - - - -- "Just victims of the in-house - - - - - - - drive-by. They say jump, - - -- - -- - - you say 'How high?"-Rage -- - - - - - - - -- Against The Machine ---- - - - ---- later--------------Brian ---- ------------- ---- ----- ======================================================================== ------------------------------ From: Kathie and David Subject: Gaining Perspective I felt very angry yesterday. I decided to get away from this for an evening and spend some time with my husband, who sat for hours talking with me about Soundgarden, my feelings, our (the list) feelings, and what they (SG) may be feeling. He (and all of you) have really helped me gain some perspective on this whole thing, and I feel like I've come out of the fog. Some thoughts: * I think it is very big-hearted of some of you to say Soundgarden doesn't owe us anything, much less an explanation. I disagree. I think they owe us everything. And even if what they have become has become a source of pain for them, that isn't our fault. It is probably very hard for even them to explain at this point, but I think they owe us the courtesy of some kind of acknowledgement of what this (and they) have meant to us. Our devotion has supported them to stardom, and we've all spent loads of money on them. I definitely think they owe us some kind of explanation. * I do think Ben has been a source of discontent, not only a symptom of it. I don't buy the "but they've been unhappy for a while" thing. Ben has been with them for a long time now. When I first saw them with him in 1992 his behavior was no different than it was when I saw them in November last year. That '96 concert was very telling for me, because I was amazed at the growth and level of maturity as far as musicianship that Chris, Matt and Kim showed compared to four years earlier. But Ben did not seem to have grown at all, except maybe even more obnoxious. While I don't think Ben is the only cause of problems, I think he has been one of them for some time now. I think Ben wants to be a *star*. I really don't think the rest of them do. * I think this break-up is definitely Soundgarden being true to themselves and to us. Throughout their career they have complained of the discomforts of being celebrities. They talked of leaving if it stopped being fun. For those of you who have people using the "they took the money and ran" line you just tell them to go to hell. If the money was what they wanted they certainly wouldn't have quit now. After each album since Louder Than Love Soundgarden have been "the next big thing", but every time they stopped just short of really making it. And it wasn't because of a lack of interest by the public, it was a deliberate backing down by them. They would be on every rock magazine for a while, but when the pressure started getting to them they virtually disappeared, usually for at least a year and a half, when the cycle would start all over. Since SU I bet they havent' been able to just disappear, and maybe they felt this was the only way to ever get any peace again. I respect their courage and their integrity. * My husband has spent alot of his 30's doing a re-evaluation of his life and where he is heading. Our SG guys are at the age when that kind of thing starts. Maybe they just want to do something different, now that they have the resources, while they are still young enough to enjoy it. I'm sure every one of them has interests outside making music that they certainly deserve to explore. All in all I agree with those of you who feel that this is a good thing. And I'm actually curious to see what they all do now. Soundgarden is Dead - Long live Chris Cornell, Matt Cameron, Kim Thayil, and Ben Shepherd. Good luck, guys. And Thank You. Kathie ------------------------------ From: Kathie and David Subject: Re:Learning Experience/ A small mercy Heather Aston asked: > Even though the news is still fresh, I'd like > to ask everyone what they have learned from this so far? I've learned that my own selfishness can blind me to others feelings. I've always thought of myself as a very compassionate, empathetic person. Maybe it was part of the grief process, but for a while all I could see was my own pain. It took alot of soul searching to be able to see the situation in light of what the guys in the band (these guys I care so much for) must be feeling. Does that make sense? Kathie ------------------------------ From: Bodson@aol.com Subject: Re: The Top Ten Here is my top ten....but not in any particular order; that would just be waaaaaay too hard. Understand that I only own SG's last three CDs, so this list only includes songs from them. Perhaps if I ever get money to buy their earlier stuff this will change. ~ Applebite ~ Bootcamp ~ Fell on Black Days ~ Fresh Tendrils ~ Jesus Christ Pose ~ Limo Wreck ~ Mailman ~ Mind Riot ~ Tighter and Tighter ~ Zero Chance Of course, this was very hard to choose. Almost every other SG song is a tie for eleventh! The only SG song I truly don't like is Half (because of those terrible vocals....Ben should leave the singing to Chris!) Although I tried, I couldn't make a list of my top ten favorite songs by anyone....there are just too many. ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 89] ***************************************