From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 5 Apr 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 01:23:01 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 5 Apr 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Wow! :-) who's doing what? a week in seattle with the ktms [LONG] #26...Wave Over Wave hi too all Love Line feed your head with somms Re: feed your head with somms a quickie Re: a quickie SNL Re: feed your head with somms Re: SNL 665->667 HIDDEN MESSAGE the waiting is over whomsoever I've cradled... ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: Wow! :-) Seth tells us we're back. Seth, my man, you know that *I* wasn't one of = the ones hassling you - I was hoping to get all caught up on Somms mail = while the list was down but I haven't read ANY!! Now you tell me we're back in business, and I still have 307 messages to = read??=20 Eeeeeeek! :-O Now that's not why I'm writing here. I have just found my review of = Soundgarden and other bands at Adelaide's Big Day Out - a long post. My = email software is telling me this message was never sent. Yet I know at = least SOME of you received it, as I've had some responses! Did it go = through to everyone? If you didn't get it, and you'd like to read it (I = warn you, it's long) - email me privately and I'll forward it to you. = If nothing else, it will get your eyes exercised and practised enough in = readiness for the Somms back-digests Seth will soon be sending us! ;-) Oh, and Seth and his helpers (whoever you are) - I and I'm sure other = Sommsters appreciate the effort you've been putting in to helping solve = this problem. Adios Carolyn the Mollycoddled Fairy You can all just kiss off into the air - behind my back I can see them = stare......Violent Femmes ------------------------------ From: "Austin 3:16" Subject: who's doing what? hey folks... Vince brought up an interesting point that I've always kinda wondered about myself... when you read the credits to a song, what exactly was their contribution to the whole process? take "Dusty" - lyrics by Cornell, music by Shepherd... does this mean Ben wrote/arranged ALL the music for the song, including drum tracks, rhythm guitar parts, even vocal lines? I don't think that's what it means, but it kinda sounds that way... so has Matt only written drum tracks for songs in which his name appears in the credits? in that respect, the credits can be rather vague... I always figured the credit just went to whomever came up with the bulk of the song... the main riff, or overall sound... anyone know for sure how they credit the writers? Kevin (Outshined) ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: a week in seattle with the ktms [LONG] well, hello list. since we couldn't send out posts while our festivities were taking place, here's a short summary of what life is like with the ktms in town. if you don't care, delete now. ;-> thursday: come home from two weeks on the road, exhausted. clean house in preparation for ktms invasion. talk to shroom on phone. sleep. friday: sleep. (hey, i know i'm not getting any this week!) prepare for ktms invasion (read: buy beer). argue with aaron as to who is picking up seth at the airport. saturday: argue some more about who is picking seth up from the airport. around 5pm, the invasion begins. shroom and dena with a lovely birthday present (THANK YOU AGAIN!!!) for me, and vikki. they have just cleaned out a cool poster store downtown. (i can't find shroom's present, but more on that later.) chris mansfield, andy dunn, bonnie and jen also arrive. we are waiting for the thug and the listadmin. they are late. we start to imagine that aaron has 1) dragged seth to the ok before coming to my house; 2) they have run into chris cornell at the airport and he has invited him over; 3) etc. aaron finally rings the buzzer and we all hide in a closet for some reason. we talk a lot about what we are going to do. we order pizza for those who haven't eaten, and we go off to see the fastbacks at the crocodile cafe. it is packed. seth just got here, yet he runs into people he knows waiting in line for the bar. i run into eddie vedder for the first time after two years of living in seattle and then have to go talk to him because i have an audience of ten watching my every move, and who refuse to NOT let me go and talk to him because they'll have to listen to me kicking myself in the butt for the next six months if i don't. i do. eddie is charming, i am flabbergasted, i give him my prized pete townshend pin and we talk about the who. i am flabbergasted. then, the ktms goes to watch the fastbacks kick serious butt. i drink mass quantities. after the show, i have to re-enact my convo with eddie in the parking lot since everyone was out of earshot. we almost get shot by some lunatic in the apartment building next to the lot. go to sleep around 4am. sunday: breakfast at the Bumbershoot Memorial Denny's on Mercer St. Then, everyone waits for me to start my car and we go off to the best store in the seattle area for sg stuff, love music. shroom is on the spot with the video camera. the guy who works there (they are all HUGE sg fans, really cool people) is amused, but i'd warned him this was going to happen. we scour the store for items we want before vikki shows up and cleans it out. ;-> seth takes pictures of the legendary jcp candle. we drool over the candle. we clean out the store of all related sg items, then head for the sound garden sculpture. seth takes some pictures. that evening, we commandeer the best part of the balcony at RKCNDY and watch the screaming trees and TAD (as well as jack endino's brand-new band) kick serious butt. quote of the night was from tad: "thank you for coming.... thank the rest of you for breathing hard." seth, andrea and i observe a Woo Girl [tm] and ponder her existence. andrea: "i wonder if she ever, like reads a newspaper or anything..." seth: "i bet she has a lot of sex." after the show, we walk miles to the hurricane, watch the degenerate population of seattle, and eat really bad food. no drinking tonight, it was an all-ages show. go to sleep around 4am. monday: i have the day off in honor of the invasion. get up and go to west seattle. eat at the listmeister's favorite restaurant, boston market. seth takes some pictures. shroom and dena get to see what is so gorgeous about west seattle (and no, it's NOT chris cornell's house.) seth skips rocks on the beach (the multi-talented list admin!) shroom takes really amusing video footage. we learn that seth has never seen "singles". in the afternoon, we go to discovery park and watch dena reenact the 'hunger strike' video. seth takes some pictures. we watch the video of the last ktms-fest, watch a video of shroom's house (including the soundgarden shrine in her room). then, we go to a mexican restaurant where we drink lots. we come back to my apartment and watch the rocky horror version of "singles" (yes, we HAVE seen this too many times.) dena kindly points out stone gossard's two lines in the movie, which i've never noticed before. then, everyone goes out to watch the comet while i have to go to sleep so i can get up for work the next day. at 4:30 am, they're still not back. i am jealous. ;-( tuesday: a GORGEOUS seattle day, shroom and dena take seth to gasworks park. they will be meeting me for lunch later; dena leaves for home that night. shroom is staying at my house. we meet for lunch and go to the croc, then hit the sub pop megamart where seth buys a pigeonhed shirt, i buy an AMAZING charles peterson soundgarden poster, shroom gets a WWC single. then they go off to sightsee and take dena to the airport, i get to go back to work. i come home that night and an hour later they all show up, INCLUDING dena. whoops ;-> she is on the first flight for the next day. i now have to house shroom, dena AND seth. ;-> there's some 'super-secret' show tonight but none of us can be bothered: "is it soundgarden? no. is it pearl jam? no. then who cares?!" the phone rings for seth and it's a familiar voice. when he gets off, we learn that jack endino just called him. seth is shaking his head at this week so far: "laura from the fan club, eddie frickin' vedder and jack frickin' endino!". we go eat dinner and REALLY drink a lot; get to sleep by around 2. wednesday: i get up at 6:30 to say goodbye to dena. shroom takes dena to the airport, except that dena is driving and she gets on I-5 NORTH instead of south. whoops ;-) i get up when shroom gets back, say goodbye to her, go to work, hung over as hell. seth gets back around 9pm and is answreing his email (or so i think); i go and read a book and figure, wow, an early night with no alcohol! wrong. around 11 seth leans over and goes, 'hey, wanna go to the ok at midnight with aaron?' so i was wrong about the early night and the alcohol. ben shepherd is in what he terms his "johnny cash" phase. i get into an argument with him over which is better, "raw power" (my pick) or "funhouse" (his pick). oh well, there's no accounting for taste, i suppose. i wont relate the rest of the evening. ;-> get home around 3 again. thursday: i barely remember at this point, except that after work i went out with a bunch of people who got laid off and got drunk with them. i'm hoping for an early night, except that when seth gets back, we stay up until 3am watching soundgarden videos and pearl jam at the pink pop festival. friday: another blur. we are all meeting that evening for dinner at the two bells (it jsut happens to be the closest place i can think of to the croc, and i dont' want mexican food AGAIN). we go to the croc and watch the supersuckers. they were fine, until they did their country set. then, we head for the BMD (bumbershoot memorial denny's) for french fries, except that we're all so hungry we're eating full meals. bonnie charms us with her rendition of the new blur single. come back and watch videos again; we were gonna stay up all night but only made it until 4am. saturday: take the listadmin to the airport. come home and sleep. i don't get my dishes done until monday, and the recycling box full of beer bottles is STILL in the kitchen.... soon to come: the KTMS in Seattle Web Site, featuring the Seth Perlman Pic of the Day! This week: seth smells the gold vinyl BMF! - --caryn ------------------------------ From: "Eric B. Gardner" Subject: #26...Wave Over Wave Sea over bow. #26 is a My Wave promo digipak (and I learned what a digipak is right here on the somms list:). The usual crap: email to enter, winner picked at random. Winner (only) must provide a shipping address. Once notified, the winner has 5 days to claim his/her prize. Entries taken until Monday, 7 April. ***Make sure you understand all of the above before entering*** Eric ------------------------------ From: "McMahon Potvin" Subject: hi too all greetings from Canada.... Someone wrote: What's your favorite soundgarden song (or somethin' like that, whatever....)? for me, it's BLEED TOGETHER, taken from the 2 UK singles for BURDEN IN MY HAND. The single also contains another new song called KARAOKE, both were produced by Adam Kasper and Soundgarden... so you know that the songs are about a year old at tops.... Anyway, the song (bleed together) rocks like hell and kinda reminds me of Pearl Jams' version of SONIC REDUCER... ya'll should really check it out... come back to me on that one... this site rocks, so does this mailing list!!!! I WISH I COULD VISIT SEATTLE SOMEDAy.......someday.... I hear that BEN will be playin' bass on DEVILSHEAD along with the Wood brothers... that cd is gonna be wild..... I'll save some for later.....next time : I'll give you my review of the performance of Soundgarden AT LOLLapalooza 96 in Quebec city (canada)...i saw i last summer....till next time!!!! Marc ------------------------------ From: Rebekah Henderson Subject: Love Line SG was on Love Line????? When I first saw that post my first reaction was 'Why would SG go on Love Line?' If anybody taped this I TOO want a copy. I'm sure something can be worked out. (SG was on Love Line. I'll need to go dwell on this.) May Soundgarden be with you. Rebekah ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: feed your head with somms Seth, yea, I was one of those guilty ones who emailed you.......sorry ;). **Warning** A really long I-missed-you post to follow. >>I have a really basic question that I should already have the answer to >>but in SG's liner notes, what does "Music: Shepherd; Lyrics: Cornell" >>mean exactly? Does it mean that, for example, Ben created the song >>and Chris is simply doing the vocals? Or maybe Ben created the music >>itself, but Chris created the vocals? On "Never the Machine Forever" >>it says "Music and Lyrics: Kim Thayil" and he obviously didn't do the >>vocals. See, I feel really foolish in asking a question like this, since >>I have been a fan for a number of years now; I really should know this answer >>by now..but if y'all could help me out, that'd be cool. >> >>- -vince Vince, if your really just yanking our chain I apologize for replying like a dumb ass, but if your serious.....it means the music was *written* by so and so. Lets say Chris is alone in his quiet beach house hide away with his dog and his guitar. He spills his cranberry vodka and gets mad and starts ferociously jamming out> He comes up with a cool sounding riff, he toys around with it for awhile and comes up with a killer song. The lyrics of this will-be-a-killer-song are *written* by, lets say Ben. Ben maybe had a shitty time in Hawaii on tour and hes just sick of the whole tour thing and so he writes about how pissed off he was that one day and......wala, youve got the lyrics to Chris's music! (well, this is a figment of my over saturated with Soundgarden imagination)! Ya see?? Its not about who plays or sings them on the album. I still think your just bullshitting about that, right? 8).... >>Anyone else goin' through this? >> >> >>Lance >>"Hey you slaves come hang your owners" "Lay your children on their thrones...gather round and fall right down" For the last 4 friggin years Lance! ;) Soundgarden is like a ghost that follows me around and haunts me all the time. Im so ready for a new album. Straying a bit.......Does anybody else like that song by the Cardigans.....that love song? I like the guitar playing in it. Those guys are strummin up a storm!! Thought just occured to me last night: Do you think that Chris is probably psychic since his mom is? I betcha he probably is. Love, light, & happiness Carol Slave4CC ------------------------------ From: Vince Varkey Subject: Re: feed your head with somms Vince Varkey wrote: I have a really basic question that I should already have the answer to but in SG's liner notes, what does "Music: Shepherd; Lyrics: Cornell" mean exactly? Does it mean that, for example, Ben created the song and Chris is simply doing the vocals? Or maybe Ben created the music itself, but Chris created the vocals? On "Never the Machine Forever" it says "Music and Lyrics: Kim Thayil" and he obviously didn't do the vocals. See, I feel really foolish in asking a question like this, since I have been a fan for a number of years now; I really should know this answer by now..but if y'all could help me out, that'd be cool. - -vince > Vince, if your really just yanking our chain I apologize for replying like > a dumb ass, but if your serious.....it means the music was *written* by so > and so. Lets say Chris is alone in his quiet beach house hide away with his > dog and his guitar. He spills his cranberry vodka and gets mad and starts > ferociously jamming out> He comes up with a cool sounding riff, he toys > around with it for awhile and comes up with a killer song. > > The lyrics of this will-be-a-killer-song are *written* by, lets say Ben. > Ben maybe had a shitty time in Hawaii on tour and hes just sick of the whole > tour thing and so he writes about how pissed off he was that one day > and......wala, youve got the lyrics to Chris's music! (well, this is a > figment of my over saturated with Soundgarden imagination)! Ya see?? > > Its not about who plays or sings them on the album. I still think your just > bullshitting about that, right? 8).... Dude, you did not answer the question. If fact, what the hell are you even talking about? I didn't ask about who is playing or singing on the album..I think by now, I would know that (sarcasm on). All I was asking is what exactly does.....you know what, forget it. - -vince ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: a quickie Yea, me again. sorry. Just a quickie couple questions I probably should know: 1. On Louder than Live, when Chris says "This was in a movie nobody saw", what movie was it? 2. What album is Homicidal Suicidal on? Vince, please dont think I was making fun of you in my previous post. It sounded kinda mean, but really I didnt mean it that way at all. ;) Please somebody, Vince you probably know, help me out! I will really appreciate it! Carol "Like the moon to earth, or the sky to sea, only were no longer allowed to be" <-----Somewhere ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: a quickie Slave4cc@aol.com wrote: > 1. On Louder than Live, when Chris says "This was in a movie nobody saw", > what movie was it? The movie is "Lost Angels" starring Adrock of the Beastie Boys. > 2. What album is Homicidal Suicidal on? Its on one of the Outshined singles. The original was by 'Budgie' and I think its on their self-titled album. - -- Chris Mackenzie ------------------------------ From: FERGUSJA@mala.bc.ca Subject: SNL *whew*, has anyone seen this? theres a page from SGs appearance at SNL, mostly pictures, but it seems SG actually did a scetch with jim carrey that got cut from the final airing of the show... my god, any SNL employee who smuggled out a copy of that scetch, made copies, and started circulating it (preferential treatment for sommsters, perhaps?) would be my personal hero for life! you'll find it at http://imusic.interserv.com/soundgarden.sg3.snl/ please excuse me if you all already know about this, and im making a complete ass out of myself! now if you'll excuse me, i'm gonna go get drunk. al ------------------------------ From: Jaime Gonzalez Subject: Re: feed your head with somms At 12:31 PM 4/4/97 -0600, you wrote: > >Vince Varkey wrote: > >I have a really basic question that I should already have the answer to >but in SG's liner notes, what does "Music: Shepherd; Lyrics: Cornell" >mean exactly? Does it mean that, for example, Ben created the song >and Chris is simply doing the vocals? Or maybe Ben created the music >itself, but Chris created the vocals? On "Never the Machine Forever" >it says "Music and Lyrics: Kim Thayil" and he obviously didn't do the >vocals. See, I feel really foolish in asking a question like this, since >I have been a fan for a number of years now; I really should know this >answer by now..but if y'all could help me out, that'd be cool. > >-vince Vince,don't sweat it.Carol,did provide you with an answer.She's cool. "Music: Shepherd; this means that Ben wrote the music for the song called "Switch Opens". "Lyrics: Cornell" this means that Chris penned the lyrics to the song called "Switch Opens" In Soundgarden,Chris is the main Vocalist for the band.He is the front man.Chris sings all the songs except for the occasionally one. for example;On Superunknown Ben sings on Half,and on UltraMega OK,Hiro sang on Power trip. No need to feel foolish about asking a question,Talk to ya later. Gonzo Jaime Gonzalez Computer Repair Technician JGG@pilot.msu.edu Engineering Services 505 Computer Center 353-5266 Michigan State University FAX:517/3536506 ------------------------------ From: Rita Subject: Re: SNL > > *whew*, has anyone seen this? theres a page from SGs appearance at SNL, mostly > pictures, but it seems SG actually did a scetch with jim carrey that got cut > from the final airing of the show... > yeah, i saw this a while ago and always wondered what the skit was about, why it never aired and most importantly HAS ANYONE SEEN IT!?!?!?!!? so can some enlightened soul who has info on this, spread the knowledge to the rest of us??????????????? - -----rita ------------------------------ From: PenCapChu1@aol.com Subject: 665->667 HIDDEN MESSAGE a while ago, SOMEONE on the list posted how they had used their computer to play 665->667 backwards and discovered a secret 'satanic' message. I didn't see anyone mention this before, in the recent issue of that Guitar World magazine, there is a small section about 665-667 where two people named Matt Brown and Tommy Smith had used their computer to discover the hidden backward lyrics. I am first of all wondering if the two people that got published in the magazine are the same that are on the somms list???? and also, Kim replied to their letter, pretty neat-o eh.. well this is what he said: "The song was a total spoof on the whole backmasking thing. Since we were teenagers, we knoew about backward masking on Led Zeppelin and Beatles albums. We just flipped the tape over and recorded Chris singing backward. "My sweet Santa, oh my sweet Santa. I miss you. What are you bringing me this year? The Grinch tried to spoil things for you, but you showed him!' It's an ode to Santa, not Satan." so who posted about this originally? and how exactly did u do it again in case i decide to listen to it someday.. - -pencapchew ------------------------------ From: Larry Grover Subject: the waiting is over Yes!! After days of deprivation, a digest!! And what is on it? Benlover's dreams and Chris saying very nice things about Ben! Does life get better? My clock radio woke me up the other day with Rhinosaur and the dj saying, "New from Soundgarden." Kind of gives creedence to these new single rumours. And they were on Loveline?! Damn! If anybody does have a tape of this, please let me know too! Jen Grover (Ben woman to the core) ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: whomsoever I've cradled... On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, Toni M Roark wrote: > stars(for lack of a better word) role models?? Does anyone feel that Kim, > Chris ,Matt or Ben are role models for them either as a musician or in a > personal way? If they are.... how so??? and if they aren't does anyone > think they should or shouldn't be? I really don't think most musicians care hard to say, toni. I don't think any of the guys would want or choose to be a role model for anyone. for the most part I believe that they write and record music only to soothe their owns souls, not to provide some sort of example or outline some sort of rule book on how to live your life. furthermore, I think it would be hard for four men such as themselves, considering the depth of their character and experiences, to even be perceived as role models. none of us know enough about them to want to be like them, at least on a personal level. and nor should we. having said that, I'm sure that in some ways they would like to be an inspiration to their audience; or even to raise the level of awareness of some of their listeners. we gain much of our own awareness of our environment through some media source (albeit a diluted awareness), so why not through soundgarden's music? imho it would be easier (and more morally sound) to provide a different perspective or voice on an issue than to try change or mold a person's viewpoint into your own, and this seems to be the route taken by the band. I know my own thinking has been influenced through their lyrics and the views they reveal during interviews. and even though they are not a truly political band with some sort of real agenda, I think that all their listeners must be influenced on an intellectual level at some time by their music; not just on the emotional level which is so much more immeadiate. in the end the band promotes thinking and individuality; thinking for yourself rather than letting someone else do it for you. if that is the way you live your life then you are missing the point. > I admire the men in Soundgarden for their talent. Since I have no musical > talent at all I can't be as eloquent as Blind dog's comments about Matt's > drumming. thanks for the kind words, toni :) ---------------------------------------------- welcome to the cruel world, hope you find your way it's a cruel world, try to enjoy your stay words by ben harper ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 78] ***************************************