From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 25 Mar 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:36:18 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Tuesday, 25 Mar 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Screaming Life/Fopp BMF Stuff Re: down the sidewalks of that city... help me The deal of the year......so far tape trees? Hard Headed and Confused!!! (c: Re: Hard Headed and Confused!!! (c: Re: The deal of the year......so far A thread? About SG's music? Anyone? Re: A thread? About SG's music? Anyone? Re: A thread? About SG's music? Anyone? Re: A thread? About SG's music? Anyone? "Chris", by Seventeen Sorry!! LESLIE'S COUGHING UP BLOOD... echo all the worlds... I might bathe in cold burnt sweat... RE: LESLIE'S COUGHING UP BLOOD... bile drinking @ Lollapalooza 92 LESLIE'S BLOOD...REGURGITATED... Re: I might bathe in cold burnt sweat... Kozik Re: Taping vs. Bootlegs Cornell vs. Corrigan, HAH! Aftertaste Re: Taping vs. Bootlegs Hello Posting with my good eye closed change Chris' ASCAP Listing more responses to weeks-old stuff :) Long Hair down the sidewalks of that city... Re: Chris' ASCAP Listing sg music Re: ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Jason S. Lewis" Subject: Screaming Life/Fopp I just found Screaming Life/Fopp in a music store in the mall today for $17.00. I thought it was quite a find for where I live (IOWA). ------------------------------ From: "Jason S. Lewis" Subject: BMF Stuff Does anyone know where I could get BMF related stuff like Shirts or posters? please send info to legion@revealed.net ------------------------------ From: "Jason S. Lewis" Subject: Re: down the sidewalks of that city... At 02:23 PM 3/25/97 +1000, you wrote: [snip snip] > never the machine forever - okay, this piece grates a little. >nothing against kim, but he has written better music in terms song >context. most of the parts are cool, but they sound a bit disjointed. the >flow between sections isn't quite there. but at any rate, I enjoy >listening to this song for the four distinct drumming parts and how matt >tackles each of them. matt has stated that one of the parts had to be >lengthened by four bars once initial recording of the song was complete. >can you pick where it is? [snip snip] I couldnt agree more with that. Matt's time on the chorus of Never The Machine Forever is so perfect It almost bugs me. ------------------------------ From: JAMES COLES <808state@pixi.com> Hi folks,just came home from the marilyn manson concert here in Hawaii.They were playing at a 3000 max venue,they started 1 hour after schedule ,and were shut down by the fire dept 40 min into their set!! The venue was filled to about 3500,very Hot,very angry,but they rocked!! When the fire dept shut the concert down,I was worried that maybe a riot might start, so my husband and I dug out right away! These are the same promoters that brought Soundgarden to Hawaii,but of course they played a much bigger venue. It seems that Hawaii has been bad luck so far for the non mainstream bands.. First Soundgarden and now Marilyn manson,what next??? The Big Kahuna....:{ Naneki.. ------------------------------ From: Gen0cide69@aol.com Subject: help me Ok, SOMMSTERS.....There are like a zillion of us, so someone can help me with this, right???? I am doing a music trivia game at my school, and I am doing a Soundgarden section, of course! The Soundgarden section will be at the end of the game, so the questions have to be very hard!! I need to know minor details that will stump the contestants, like what kind of cigarettes they smoke, or their dogs names...ya know, stuff like that. I'd be *very* grateful if anyone could give me some real hard questions to ask. Dawn Utopia ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: The deal of the year......so far Hey guys, Hopefully I can deviate from the bootleg mess that has been plaguing us for weeks now by steerting the thread in this direction: SOUNDGARDEN - KOZIK If you remember about a month ago someone posted about this incredible KOZIK poster advertising SG's last show at the Mercer arena, well incredibly it was only $10. Now, if that wasn't enough, I ordered it & rec'd it in the mail last week. Not only is it a genuine KOZIK for only $10, but the damn thing is AN AUTOGRAPHED LIMITED EDITION!!!!!!!!!!!! I got #483 (I think) of 680. I was just going to tack it to the wall until I saw that, now I think I'm going to have to get it framed and preserve it. You can find it on the TILT page & it is well worth 10 bucks. Lance Shave your head and burn your sheets bow your head to the trinity that's what blind dogs believe ------------------------------ From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY) Subject: tape trees? I've been reading these messages about tape trees and it sounds like a great idea ! Ive got some awesome Sg bootlegs on tape and cd and would love to share them with people or trade for them! this is a great idea ! how do i join ? sean ------------------------------ From: Aferdity@aol.com Subject: Hard Headed and Confused!!! (c: Well I just got finished listening to Waiting On the Upside. It was a pretty cool CD considering that you can't hear them all that well but hey, it's Soundgarden, right!!! Even though it was the last show of the Lollapalooza tour it sounded pretty much like the shows they put on after. BHS was damn cool because it was just Chris and that was one of my favorite songs they did on the tour because it was different from the norm (not to mention Waiting For the Sun)!!! I didn't get to stay at Lolla for the whole SG show because of circumstances that were out of my hands and it pisses me off, but oh well, it's over and in the past. I have a question for those of you who have this or have heard it: what the hell is Chris (I think it's Chris) saying at the very end of Rusty Cage? Maybe someone can shed some light on this for me. Yes, I bought a bootleg and it got me thinking with all the talk on the list. I don't own any studio recorded bootlegs, such as SP or FDR, but I do own 3 live recordings. Anyway, my point being that if the record company sees that fans buy bootlegs of any sort why don't they release them so the band will be getting the money. I got into a discussion with my mom the other day over bootlegs because she asked me where I got them and if the band got any money from the sales. I answered her questions and then asked if all the recordings of live Jimmy Buffett shows (she's a big die-hard fan) were put out by his record label and she said yes. Why then doesn't A&M record shows of SG or for any other band on their label and put them out there for the public to buy. That way we won't be ripping off the band. Do you get what I'm getting at?!?!? I mean with all this talk I thought about sending a check for the amount that I bought my bootlegs for to SG (who I would send it to I don't know) so they could profit from it. Stupid idea I know but I haven't done it because I'm running REALLY LOW on funds. All I'm saying is is why doesn't someone that has some pull over this matter see that some fans want more and what would it hurt to record some shows and put them out there for the public to enjoy. Comments are very welcome but please, if this is going to start a Cold War then don't bother!! Enough said. I'll shut up now and leave. Thanks for taking the time to read this, if you did!!! Take care and be sweet!! Stay Cool, Kelly :) ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Dunn" Subject: Re: Hard Headed and Confused!!! (c: > I answered her questions and then asked if all > the recordings of live Jimmy Buffett shows (she's a big die-hard fan) were > put out by his record label and she said yes. Why then doesn't A&M record > shows of SG or for any other band on their label and put them out there for > the public to buy. That way we won't be ripping off the band. Do you get > what I'm getting at?!?!? I mean with all this talk I thought about sending a > check for the amount that I bought my bootlegs for to SG (who I would send it > to I don't know) so they could profit from it. I think the MAIN problem with this is, is the marketing and money it takes to actually put out an album. And A&M, being A&M will want to support it (Like Geffen and the last two Nirvana live recordings). You also want to see decent material out there, not shows that the band hate. If I remember correctly, Jimmy Buffett has his own label, can pretty much run things without much advertising, as well as a REALLY stable fan base something which Soundgarden doesn't have. Why doesn't the band put one together? Quite frankly they may not want to. Many of us actually HATE live albums, live recordings, and don't want to hear them, and they may hate them too. Does that mean they support the selling of bootlegs. Not necessarily. Then there's problems with compilation albums, getting the rights, editing, censoring for release, quality, etc etc etc. Meaning you can't just release a double CD show anytime you want to. And that won't stop boots anyways. Boots still exist of Greatful Dead no matter how many live CDs they release, and the same is for Blues Travelor, Jimmy Buffett, Pearl Jam, and ANY band who has released live shows out there. So I don't think you can neccessrily fool yourself into thinking that if Soundgarden would release a live album then everybody would stop buying boot CDs. Quite frankly the people who can somehow justify buying them now, will justify buying them later no matter what. The pull of new-instant product will drawn them in no matter how hard they try to resist it. There's no way to solve this problem. I do wish Soundgarden would do something what Pearl Jam does: doing an international radio broadcast every tour so anybody can hear it without having to either trade or buy a bootleg of it. But nothing can stop CD bootlegs, but it still doesn't mean we have to give into them. - -Andrew ------------------------------ Subject: Re: The deal of the year......so far From: seth > Now, if that wasn't enough, I ordered it & rec'd it in the mail last week. > Not only is it a genuine KOZIK for only $10, but the damn thing is AN > AUTOGRAPHED LIMITED EDITION!!!!!!!!!!!! I got #483 (I think) of 680. I was > just going to tack it to the wall until I saw that, now I think I'm going to > have to get it framed and preserve it. You can find it on the TILT page & it > is well worth 10 bucks. That's autographed by Kozik, not by Soundgarden. They're also hand-numbered... In all, a lovely deal. seth ------------------------------ From: "Lori S. Bingel" Subject: A thread? About SG's music? Anyone? Hey - What work of Hiro's (including songwriting, bass lines, etc.) do you think was most significant during the time he was with SG? His style is so different from Ben's, I'm wondering if any of you pre-BMF loyals have any ideas on this. As a bassist I'm curious. I really like a lot of the Screaming Life stuff. ~Lori ------------------------------ From: Gen0cide69@aol.com Subject: Re: A thread? About SG's music? Anyone? In a message dated 97-03-23 15:16:03 EST, Lori wrote: << What work of Hiro's (including songwriting, bass lines, etc.) do you think was most significant during the time he was with SG? >> In response to that, I think that *all* of the work Hiro did with Soundgarden was significant to the way the band was then, and is now. (Just throwing in my two cents!) :) Dawn Utopia ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: A thread? About SG's music? Anyone? IMHO, the best tune Hiro ever wrote for SG was 'I Awake', I know alot of people hate this song but I never understood why. It has got to be the most haunting tune off of Louder Than Love. I think this song conjures up the feeling of a nervous breakdown - very moving. As for bass work, I've always been partial to 'Little Joe'. - -- Chris Mackenzie ------------------------------ From: Gen0cide69@aol.com Subject: Re: A thread? About SG's music? Anyone? In a message dated 97-03-23 15:46:49 EST,Chris Mackenzie wrote: << IMHO, the best tune Hiro ever wrote for SG was 'I Awake', I know alot of people hate this song but I never understood why. It has got to be the most haunting tune off of Louder Than Love. I think this song conjures up the feeling of a nervous breakdown - very moving. >> I awake is *definetly* The best Hiro song...In fact, I think it is one of the best on Louder Than Love. (Again, throwing in my two cents!) Dawn Utopia ------------------------------ From: "Jason Thompson" I Just wanted to let everyone know that the Bootleg trading page will be down for a few days. The people at Tripod cancelled my membership, but they should reinstate it in a few days. There was some problem with the verification password that they gave me. Sorry for the inconvenience. J ------------------------------ From: lecocke@txdirect.net Subject: "Chris", by Seventeen Well, I keep reading that the list is in dire need of some humor, and I must say that after reading today's and yesterday's digests, I wholeheartedtly agree. So, as I promised a long time ago, here's what Seventeen has to say about our beloved boy: < picture of the cover of Noise from the Underground > "Anything that starts with a half-naked photo of Soundgarden's gorgeous Chris Cornell and includes the kissy-face Kurt-'n'-Courtney cover shot from an ancient (in rock years) issue of Sassy has got to make you put this one on your must-read list. Ooooh!-the hipness drips off the pages!" Well, there ya go. I hope you all enjoyed that and realize that the reason you really should buy this "hip" book is because a semi naked picture of CC adorns the front (as if we haven't seen that before...someone should send these people Motorvision). Yes, forget about the bands inside, not to mention the things you just might learn if you open the book. Oooooooh, I think I'll run out and tear the cover off...:) byebye kids, Margret ------------------------------ From: JAMES COLES <808state@pixi.com> Subject: Sorry!! OOPS! I was wrong,Marilyn Manson fainted. Sorry ,but I was pretty wasted when I wrote that:) Very Hung Over today:( Bye.....NC ------------------------------ From: Cornell32@aol.com Subject: LESLIE'S COUGHING UP BLOOD... Hey kids! In light of the PRE-MILLENIUM TENSION that seems to have affected the list lately, I've decided we need to ease up a little bit, and I think I have just the solution: a contest. Yes, that's right, FREE SHIT. Everybody loves free shit, right? Well, if you are the winner of my contest, here's the bootleg SG vids you can choose from (copies, of course, but good quality): * Seattle Lollapalooza 1992 * Greek Theatre, Berkeley CA, 1994 * Paris, France, opening for GN'R (pay-per-view) * Japan, Feb. 94: Interviews, Videos & Live (includes JCP vid!) So how do you get one of these cool vids? Well, nothins for free, babe, so you're gonna hafta earn it! Here's what you gotta do: I'm gonna give you some lyrics (SG, of course) and you gotta tell me what song this line is from, and where that song can be found. Fair enough? I'd also dig it if you told me why you think you deserve the prize! Yeah, I have no life. Humor me, and you might get somethin extra. Here's the line: "IN YOUR MOUTH...I MIGHT FEEL THE SERPENT'S KISS..." Recognize that? Well send me an answer then, goofball! RULES OF THE GAME: All SOMMSters and their family and pets are eligible. All entries must be submitted (privately) by March 25, 1997 at 10:42 pm. Only one entry per SOMMSter, please, unless you have multiple personality disorder, or a really large ego, in which case I'll allow 2. Must have an IQ of at least 21 to enter. Allow 2-3 wks for delivery. Always wear a condom. GOOD LUCK!! Leslie P.S. I'd also like to trade if anyone is interested, and I have many more boots from other bands! =) ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: echo all the worlds... On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Rebekah Henderson wrote: > Also, I know that Matt does the backup vocals on some songs when SG play > live and I was wondering if he sings on the albums as well or if it's Chris > doing them and to make it sound good, Matt does them onstage. I was > watching the video for Outshined today and I'm pretty sure I caught a > glimpse of Matt lip synching to the backup parts. Just wondering because > they do sound like Chris on the albums, but sometimes you can't tell. as far as I know, matt rarely sings on soundgarden records, even though he regularly adds his voice to chris' on stage. I have a feeling that in the past ben has laid down extra vocal tracks in the studio (is it just me or is he humming during 'head down'?), but for the most part chris doubles or even triples his own vocal parts in order to get the necessary sound for such songs as (but definitely not limited to) 'let me drown' and 'never named'. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: I might bathe in cold burnt sweat... first off, I'd like to say that I saw _star wars_ yesterday. not that it has anything to do with soundgarden. I just thought it wasn't a bad little movie :) I came across some rather odd (or disgusting, depending upon your perspective) information last week. while killing time in my local bookstore, I noticed an autobiography written by our favourite body-piercer and daredevil jim rose. I thought it might be interesting to see if he mentioned soundgarden anywhere amongst the pages of human dartboards and lightbulbs. of course, there was an entire chapter on lollapalooza '92; much of which dealt with rose's enormous liking of soundgarden and their music. cool trivia for the day: on the kts boot of sg at lolla, the announcer who screams "all right phoenix, this is your blah blah blah..." is in fact jim rose himself. cool, eh? anyhow, I thought that the book might either prove or disprove all those urban myths about whether chris and eddie vedder took part in bile drinking contest over the course of the '92 tour. well, if mr. rose is to be believed, it seems that this is no myth. the story goes something like this (turn away if body fluids turn you off): chris turns up on the stage during a sideshow performance involving rose and matt "the tube" crowley on stage 2. matt the tube's forte lies in swallowing stuff and then pumping it back out his nose and mouth via a long plastic tube. chris is, by rose's way of thinking, bored with the monotony of the tour and is looking for some fun. he proceeds to collect bile from mr. crowley's tube in a glass and then takes a big swig. apparently, this wasn't the only time that chris drank from such a fountain on the lolla tour. rose also recollects that many other notables followed the bile-drinking trend, namely eddie (I can't remember if it turned into a contest or not), al jorgensen of ministry, perry farrell and a bunch of other touring buddies. comments? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Cornell32@aol.com Subject: RE: LESLIE'S COUGHING UP BLOOD... Hey, kids! Yes, I do believe we have a winner! But stupid me...my rules were flawed. What do you expect from a head?! Our winner was: DAVE (dxk24@po.cwru.ed) He was the first one through with the correct answer, and he chose the Berkeley vid as his prize. Congrats to Dave! BUT..as I said..my rules were flawed (hey, no one's perfect, asshole! heheh). Not everyone receives their mail at the same time! SO here's what I'll do: Dave still gets his prize of course, but if anyone else knows the right answer, send it on, and I'll draw a name from all the right answers to send another prize to. You still have till Tues. nite at 10:42 to mail me. Fair enough? Good luck! Les ------------------------------ From: Gen0cide69@aol.com Subject: bile drinking @ Lollapalooza 92 In response to the question of whether or not the bile drinking thing was a contest or not, it was. (ick!) It was a contest to see who could drink the most bile over the course of the Lollapalooza 92 tour. Eddie Vedder won. Dawn Utopia ------------------------------ From: Cornell32@aol.com Subject: LESLIE'S BLOOD...REGURGITATED... Yes yes, it's that annoying contest girl again. I've noticed a pattern here: no one can follow the damn instructions! Just make sure that when you tell me WHAT the song is, you tell meWHERE the song can be found as well, you dig?! Best get it right...cuz I'm a mushroom-cloud-layin-muthafucka muthafucka! Peace..be wild! Leslie ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: I might bathe in cold burnt sweat... At 03:35 PM 3/24/97 +1000, blind dog wrote: > apparently, this wasn't the only time that chris drank from such a >fountain on the lolla tour. rose also recollects that many other notables >followed the bile-drinking trend, namely eddie (I can't remember if it >turned into a contest or not), al jorgensen of ministry, perry farrell and >a bunch of other touring buddies. comments? yes, actually, a few. ;-> the person who posted that eddie was the winner of the bile beer drinking contest is correct. in fact, there is a video in wide circulation from an appearance by the jim rose circus here in seattle (which is, after all, their home) where eddie drinks bile beer for the amusement of the audience. and, jim rose is a friend of eddie's -- was hanging out with him at the fastbacks show last night at the croc, for instance. ;-> um, soundgarden content -- well, seth was looking over my shoulder as i wrote this. does that count? ;-> oh, and sommsfest seattle II attended the screaming trees at RKCNDY tonight and they rocked, as usual. not that that has ANYTHING to do with soundgarden either, just thought i would mention it ;-> - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Georgia Kennedy Subject: Kozik To further detract from the slanging matches of late... I have ordered a copy of the Kozik print that Lance mentioned, but I'm yet to receive it. You become patient with things like that when you live in Australia..... But, I already have a copy of a genuine Kozik print - the "other" one mentioned by Caryn a few weeks ago, of a SG/PJ show at the Unicorn. This print is truly a visual gem, in all it's fluorescent glory. The gorgeous woman in the pic has these great "tattoos" all over her upper arms, just like George Clooney's character (can't remember the name, it's been a while!) had in "From Dusk Til Dawn". I have a friend that is a wizard with an Apple & a silkscreen, and he made me a t-shirt of the print - It's fabulous! And great to go out in something a little different that came to you in such a great way. Anyone that can find this print would be crazy to pass it up. georgia ------------------------------ From: Kathie and David Subject: Re: Taping vs. Bootlegs Well, this discussion has certainly turned ugly. While I agree that trading tapes is better than buying bootlegs, I think that in the zeal to organize this tape tree we are forgetting something important. To my knowledge (please correct me if I am wrong) Soundgarden does not allow taping at their concerts. The ethical base of the tape tree idea rests not only on the trading rather than sale of tapes but also on the band authorizing the taping under the assumption that the tapes will be traded not sold. So if Soundgarden does not support this open taping aren't we being a bit hypocritical here? Is it more ethical to trade unauthorized tapes than to buy them? Several people have pointed out that certain artists object to bootlegs because they lose control over the quality of the work being taped and distributed. How would this tape tree under discussion justify copying material the band may feel to be an inferior performance, or one they would prefer not to be distributed on tape? IMO this whole childish argument is totally pointless until SG authorize taping of their shows because until then, no matter how honorable your intentions, you are still distributing unauthorized recordings. If we are truly talking about "ethics" here then that too is intrinsically wrong. I agree totally with Enrique's post: > i guess my point is that some official releases are made to take advantage > of the fact that fans want every song. therefore taking more of our money > for less. i dont know if it's soundgarden's or A&M's fault, and i don't > care. i'll buy them anyway, what the hell, but if i can save some money > buying a bootleg instead of 4 or 5 not so good singles or whatever, i will. I too felt betrayed when BMF/SOMMS was released, but I chose to buy the new release too. And the whole "singles" releases thing pisses me off because it is clearly a way to weasle even more money out of true fans. Personally I think if this were an issue the band really cared about they would work to do something to discourage us from buying bootlegs, like allowing taping or releasing more live recordings and bootlegs in a more reasonable format. I know these things are not only their decision, but surely they have a great deal of input into these subjects. I'll bet they don't much care because I think they pretty much support personal freedom (to choose, for example, how we spend our money). Just one more thing (sorry this is so long). It amuses me that the company (read that "corporate") line is being spouted by some people who I don't recall speaking out against bootlegs in the not so distant past. I am not referring to Caryn here, because if I remember correctly she has consistently argued against bootlegs. Nor am I talking about people who are relatively new to the list. But I've been on this list for over a year now and from the time I joined, Fresh Deadly Rareties has been a topic of discussion. In the past, though, it was people looking for it, people happy they had found it, people raving about it (just for the record, I don't own this one) -- all positive stuff. Now its FDR = bootleg = (tsk, tsk) B-A-D-D-D-D. Certainly some people may have changed their minds about bootlegs being OK, but some of it sounds suspiciously like corporate ass-kissing to me. We all have our own opinions about bootlegs, and most of us live where we are free to spend our money pretty much as we choose. And since Soundgarden does not allow taping, maybe we can move beyond this now? Kathie ------------------------------ From: "GILES, CLAY OWEN" Subject: Cornell vs. Corrigan, HAH! Well, with this being my first post, I thought I would extend a comparison of Soundgarden as opposed to that of the Smashing Pumpkins. It seems to me that every time a group or panel or magazine or MTV compare bands that hold the "alternative" label, they always rave about how great the Pumpkins are. Well, here are some interesting facts about their vocalist, Billy Corrigan. 1. At a bar, in which our beloved Kim Thayil was partaking of his usual brewski, Corrigan entered the place, clad in a superman t-shirt. After a series of questions which contained a little humor, Corrigan ran out of the place, bawling his eyes out. 2. During a concert in Nasville, as on the MTV awards show, the Smashing Pumpkins sucked pretty bad. So bad that noone in the entire arena was moving, dancing, moshing, or singing along. Shortly after, Corrigan screamed, to his own fans, and I quote: "You're all a bunch of cats and dogs! Go home to all your mothers!" Now, it just seems to me that that shows two things about SP, not only are they crybabies ( Thayil told him he was just kidding), but they also don't give a damn about their fans. As far as Cornell is concerned, I've always felt that the best songwriters right from inside, not from some stupid tree that even the singer probably doesn't know what it is. (Cherub Tree) Cornell, in my opinion, is the best songwriter of our age. A symphony even does renditions of Black HS. And it takes alot of talent and patience to come up with SG's weird riffs and to put lyrics to them. Seasons, perhaps the most underrated song affiliated w/ Cornell, is nothing short of a masterpiece. The things that go through Cornell's head when he writes are unimaginable. I think Corrigan just sits around and comes up with things to write about. I bet he walked out of his shanty one night and said to himself, "It's a nice night. Think I'll write a song about it. Thus, "Tonight, Tonight." To each his own, naturally. I like one song by SP, the song off the Singles Soundtrack. But I'm sorry, Cornell along with Kim, Matt, and Ben, are so overrated that it really pisses me off. I think that SG's songs will stay with future generations for a long time, much like Led Zeppelin. As for SP, they will end up where they started, at the end of a needle. Later. ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Aftertaste Hey List jeez, my unix mail is down for 4 days and I return to read some incredible stuff about me, STEVE :-) LOL...could he possibly use a bigger font for my name ;) Wow...caps everytime and it was said soooo much ;)...I almost felt famous ;-) NOT! Ya know the old saying...any publicity is good publicity as long as they spell your name right :-) Ring any bells to those that remember the October '95 Flame Wars :-) Thanks Tippy! You're idiocy has been a blessing to getting the word out about the live recording trading page! :-) We couldnt of asked for a better marketing plan ! If only you had capitalized the URL of Jason's page every other word :-) Jason send him a copy of the homegame and a case of turtle wax plus a year's supply of rice a roni...the san francisco treat! :-) Lastly...All information regarding this tree will be on Jason's page once he gets that little administrative snafu cleared up :) Branches will be notified this week (wednesday/thursday) with instructions. Congrats to everyone still involved...you'll be rewarded for your patience :) steve - - thanks mom ;) ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Taping vs. Bootlegs At 08:41 AM 3/24/97 -0600, Kathie and David wrote: >Just one more thing (sorry this is so long). It amuses me that the >company (read that "corporate") line is being spouted by some people who >I don't recall speaking out against bootlegs in the not so distant past. >I am not referring to Caryn here, because if I remember correctly she >has consistently argued against bootlegs. Nor am I talking about people >who are relatively new to the list. But I've been on this list for over >a year now and from the time I joined, Fresh Deadly Rareties has been a >topic of discussion. In the past, though, it was people looking for it, >people happy they had found it, people raving about it (just for the >record, I don't own this one) -- all positive stuff. Now its FDR = >bootleg = (tsk, tsk) B-A-D-D-D-D. Certainly some people may have changed >their minds about bootlegs being OK, but some of it sounds suspiciously >like corporate ass-kissing to me. well, i'd heartily disagree. when i first moved back to the states, the first thing i did was buy all the pearl jam bootleg cd's i could get my grubby little hands on. i have always bought bootlegs, my feeling being 'i have multiple copies of everything ELSE by this band' and didn't see anything wrong with it. 5 years later, i want nothing to do with them. there was a path between point A and point Z -- i didn't wake up one day and say, 'ohmigod, bootlegs are wrong, i don't want soundgarden/pearl jam/whoever to hate me'. it was a thought process, an experiential thing. it was being ripped off by bad quality boot cd's, it was watching pj broadcast every concert in '95 on their pirate radio station, and then watch those shows being released on cd for $70 and up. and it was *talking* with other fans and friends about it, about the inherent contradictions (and the not-so-inherent ones), listening to other viewpoints, and then coming to the conclusion that i personally won't do it, for reasons that personally make sense to me. one of the things that is wonderful about human nature and about the internet as well is the process of education. you think one way, and you act one way, and then you start to hear other viewpoints that make you question your own viewpoint. my point is, the people whom kathie speaks of might just have changed their mind due to the heated, open and honest discussions we have had about bootlegs on this list. in fact, i happen to know several people who have changed their tune because of discussions here. i also know of several people who are more confused than ever, and several people who are going to go right along buying everything with the word SOUNDGARDEN on it. ;-> as for the corporate ass-kissing part of it -- ah, gimme a break. make a statement and name names and log this 'suspicious' change of opinion, or stop making groundless allegations. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: KENNY BECKWITH <"beckwith@gte.net"@gte.net> Subject: Hello Hey everyone. This message is for any one that I had a trade going with. I lost everyones email address so I figured I could get ahold of yall this way. But anyways, Lance, Greg, Anna, and Jenny, I have already sent your stuff out. I have recieved the tapes from Jenny and Motorvision from Anna. Jen and velvt, I will be sending your stuff out very soon. Most likely tomorrow. Jason T. if you still will tape those things for me I will be sending you the tapes and postage. Jen, is 3 xtra tapes enough for you to tape all your boot-legs on? Well let me know when you get your stuff. Lisa B ------------------------------ From: Wyn Subject: Posting with my good eye closed I was reading my mail from friday and in it see this post about the BDO in adeliade. >My Somms t-shirt is in my >bag, but I can't get to it. Otherwise I'd have held up the back of it, >so at least Kim could see "Posting with my good eye closed". Um, I don't want to sound really ignorant (what am I saying I am ignorant) but where would I get one of these Somms T-shirts? I have read some stuff in here about Dena? or something but it was all a bit vage, But I have only realy been here for a month since getting back too Uni and feeling the urge to find stuff to satisfy my Soundgarden urge. I was lazy last year. If some one could e-mail me about this so I could get one myself, I would eternally greatful. By the way I am in Brisbane Aust. Bronwyn. ------------------------------ From: Vince Varkey Subject: change I feel pretty dumb. Awhile back, I posted using the subject line "Stole a thousand beggar's chains"..well the line was obviously wrong. I had an off day..what can I say. I apologize for my major gaff. - -vince ------------------------------ From: Vasant Ramamurthy Subject: Chris' ASCAP Listing Hey everybody. I was just looking through Chris' registered songs on the ASCAP web site, and I found this song I've never heard of before. It's called "SINGLES CUES." Anybody know where it's from or what it is? Vasant PS-BTW, if you want to look yourself, it's www.ascap.com. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Home of the Soundgarden Songbook: http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu "When new damage comes, it's a new word for plague, a new world order, a new word for hate" - New Damage - S O U N D G A R D E N ------------------------------ From: #1 Brat Subject: more responses to weeks-old stuff :) hi everyone. . . >i am also wise enough to know that sometimes our heroes aren't >humanitarians outside of the spotlight (including chris). just what exactly did you mean by this? >do you all think that Sg played better on their superunknown tour >or their dotu tour? well i really can't compare, b/c i only saw them play once on the su tour, and 3 xs on the dotu tour. all 3 dotu tour shows were much better than the one su tour show (at roseland) b/c 2 were outdoors (lolla) and one was at a club - so everything was so much better - atmosphere, etc. if i hadn't been there to see Sg, the roseland show really would've kinda sucked. it just wasn't the ideal place to see them play - but that doesn't mean they didn't play well. every time i've seen Sg live they've played exceptionally well - but the 2 best shows i've ever seen were lolla in ny and the show at the electric factory in philly - and they were both on the dotu tour, so... i just wish i'd gotten to see them play more than once on the su tour. but i think the dotu tour appealed more to me b/c by then i had gotten to know their music so much better, and i had a lot more favorite Sg songs, many of which they played. >i have always wondered what this means exactly. "you make me >hate i make music." i think it means the basically the same thing "you make me sick i make music" does - it's chris' sarcastic side showing. i really think it's very funny - and maybe he meant it to be, or maybe it really is serious. you can take it either way - and *i* think he meant it to be taken both ways. if you do take it seriously, it think he's directing it at society and saying that his hatred and disgust inspire some of his music, or that he uses music to help him escape his feelings of hate and disgust, or escape the people who make him feel those things. that's it for now. oh, wait! tonight's the oscars! the grammy's all over again. instead of working on a term paper which i'm really behind on, or something constructive, i'll watch just to get a glimpse of my favorites and see what everyone's wearing, and of course i won't worry about who's gonna win, b/c it doesn't matter, it's just a stupid statue that you don't even *win*, the academy *gives* it to you... and i remind myself that throughout history many people w/ no talent at all have won - just b/c of politics, or sympathy votes, or sheer stupidity... but then for some strange reason, when my favorites don't win, it bugs me anyway. go figure. ;) ~Lorraine "It's just sitting in the ice box with the potato chips and my underwear!" ~Marilyn Monroe, 'The Seven Year Itch' <--- a *great* movie, just watched it over the weekend. =) ------------------------------ From: Orko Subject: Long Hair As the president of Short Hair for Rock Stars... I am tired of all fans of Chris wining about his short hair... I consider CC and Stone Gossard as victories in my fight against long hair. Orko president of SHRS By the way... this is sarcasm, please don't yell at me. ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: down the sidewalks of that city... yes, this is just another one of those (long) posts extolling the virtues of a drummer like matt cameron. I was bored last night, so I came up with some of this. comments from those who play the drums (I'm a frustrated drummer myself) would be appreciated. well, we all know that matt rocks. yeah, what he does during 'jesus christ pose' is great. man, that 'wooden jesus' song rocks. but sometimes I wonder about his other songs, songs that don't often get mentioned here on the list but songs that just might be as good as the ones usually touted as his best. mayhap matt is not just a one-trick pony? to me, matt's drumming is all about balance. not only in terms of his effortless moves between the pounding of 'gun' to the grace of 'mind riot', but in that his drumming style simply radiates balance. I don't know how many takes his drum tracks need (and I'm guessing not many), but he seems to nail *exactly* what the song demands each and every time. his two sticks (not to mention his two feet) are always in the right place. his bass drum *always* drops in at the right moment. he is not sparse or unimaginative in his playing style by any means, yet his drumming features only what the song calls for. to me, matt's drumming is not about percussion or simply keeping the beat, it is about *music*. anyway, here are some of my thoughts on a couple of soundgarden tunes that you might know . comments would be appreciated. room a thousand years wide - when I first heard bmf I pretty much ignored the second side. let's face it, I was young and songs like 'outshined' and 'rusty cage' were more immediate than 'mind riot'. but now I would definitely count 'room...' as one of my all-time favourite soundgarden songs. part of the reason is because it has little to do with chris (at least in terms of writing), only because I'm interested in the songs chris *doesn't* write. but the major reason is because matt wrote the music. I find that of all the songs the band records, his are perhaps the largest in terms of power, they just seem more "there" (lovers of 'mailman' will agree). I find that this song in particular is completely a drummer's groove; matt sits back and snares the rest of the band to death. but what really drags me into this song is the section running from about 0:51-1:04, the bridge between verse one and two. it is probably something very simple to him and other accomplished drummers, but the way he plays the ride cymbal with his right hand and alternates between the hi-hat, snare and crash with his left chews me up every time. and then he mixes it up between 2:42-3:05 with more rolls and crashes. beautiful. karaoke - when I first heard this b-side, I got it all wrong. the intro and outro to this song are not just noise. maybe the guitars are simply (I use that word lightly) strumming furiously, but what matt does with his cymbals, snare and toms is amazing. he seems to be hitting each drum simultaneously. is it possible he has trained some sort of octopus or something and is keeping it under his coat? bleed together - this is the song that made me believe matt's arms and legs work independently of one another. again, the drumming is spot on, but in the sections I'll call verse 'b' and 'd' ("I know you're half afraid...") matt is hitting the bass drum and (probably) second tom at the same time while alternating with hi-hat hits and double openings. I know that he doesn't play with a hi-hat on his right-hand side, so I imagine that he changes hands here, much like the end of 'rusty cage'. but it isn't his hands that amaze me during this, it is his feet. surely he can't just do this without thinking about it? overfloater - nothing really specific about this song is better than the whole; I just love the sound of his bass drum. it is so sexy it reminds me of john bonham's own bass during 'when the levee breaks'. btw, doesn't his drum part at the beginning of 'dusty' remind of you of the late great bonzo? pretty noose - a song that has been derided here, but if you can't appreciate the drum part you must be deaf. matt worked out this pattern after about fifteen minutes with the song, leading me to believe that he really is a genius (stop me if I go to far and ask matt to be my betrothed). and I know that this may sound like blasphemy to some, but is it possible that matt used an overdub here? I've listened to it closely, and the section running from roughly 3:32-3:42 sounds insane. unless matt is using some weird one-handed roll or is rolling on the bass drum he must have three arms because I don't know how it is possible to roll on the toms while playing your ride cymbal. tighter and tighter - 3:24-4:00. it's mind numbing. so what if danny carey keeps time on his toms during 'jimmy'? try playing this and see what comes up. (I was only kidding about danny. I have a lot of respect for him). cold bitch - this is a way cool piece of music, and was somewhat ahead of its time in terms of soundgarden's musical evolution. during an interview kim notes that on most songs on _bmf_ there is an obvious place for a solo and that's where it is. you know what is going to happen and it happens. but on _superunknown_, the band tried to move away from this, using vocals during guitar solos so that there was increased motion or dynamics (see 'mailman'). but *this* song was written (?) and recorded sometime during the _bmf_ sessions, so it preceded that record by at least a year. but to get to the point, the part spanning 3:45-3:57 is imho the most beautiful piece of music ever conceived by the band, because of this notion of dynamics and movement. it only runs for a little more than ten seconds, but the combination of chris' hurtling vocals, kim's earth-shattering guitar and, of course, a brilliant drum fill by matt gives me shivers each and every time I hear it. never the machine forever - okay, this piece grates a little. nothing against kim, but he has written better music in terms song context. most of the parts are cool, but they sound a bit disjointed. the flow between sections isn't quite there. but at any rate, I enjoy listening to this song for the four distinct drumming parts and how matt tackles each of them. matt has stated that one of the parts had to be lengthened by four bars once initial recording of the song was complete. can you pick where it is? anyway, that's enough for this post. I've left a couple of other contenders out ('down undershoe' and 'your saviour' among them) in the interests of clarity and length. hopefully we will all get to hear more drumming from matt on the next hater record and from his drumming twin tad dameron on wwc's _declaration of conformity_ soon. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Re: Chris' ASCAP Listing Vasant Ramamurthy wrote: > > Hey everybody. I was just looking through Chris' registered songs on the > ASCAP web site, and I found this song I've never heard of before. It's > called "SINGLES CUES." Anybody know where it's from or what it is? > > Vasant > Well I think the name says it all. An early demo version of Spoonman was used in the film "Singles", and maybe Chris had other input in the film, the first song that Chris sent to Cameron Crowe was Jesus Christ Pose. I dont think it was ever used in the film. Also Seasons was heard in the film also. So thats all I can think of. Anyone else want ot give it a shot?? Dave ------------------------------ From: Gen0cide69@aol.com Subject: sg Hey everybody! I am in dire need of help!!!! Not only did my cat eat my SOMMS, and my DOTU tape (no joke), my house got robbbed last night!!! Of course, all of my treasured Sg tapes, cds, and videos were either taken or trashed :( If any of you can help me restart my collection of rarities, I would be more than grateful. I will buy, or if necessary, send tapes, if someone tapes something for me. I would also pay for all shipping and other crap like that. I am really bummed out, so if anyone can help me out, please e-mail me privatly. Dawn Utopia ------------------------------ From: " KYLE LEWIS" Subject: music Hey Soungarden kicks ass! Kim T. rules on guitar!hey just a fan dropping in a few lines - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Fiona Thiessen Subject: Re: Anyone got any good ideas about how to hide a DAT recorder?? I'm possibly taking one that's about half as big as a regular computer screen (the screen bit not including the bit w/the buttons for adjusting) maybe a little bigger, to a concert (outdoor one) It's about 2cm or 1 inch wide, plus a stereo mic. Friends are coming too so there will be more than one body!! Fiona ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 75] ***************************************