From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 22 Mar 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 01:27:06 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 22 Mar 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Helmet sounds like Soundgarden Why we buy Official Releases and Bootlegs chris cornell, my neighbor??? Re: Chris sang PJ's Alive Re: Nothing to say... Re: Nothing to say... Oops...and Alive Unplugged? Re: Unplugged? what tape trading is all about... Re: Unplugged? Re: Nothing to say... Aust. RS readers poll, thing and umm something else somms and ll ------------------------------------------------------------ From: JesusCPose@aol.com Subject: Helmet sounds like Soundgarden Reprinted without permission from THE NORTHERN STAR, newspaper run by Northern Illinois University students Helmet Aftertaste Rating: 8(on a scale of 10) "The twisting and bumpy road to notoriety in the music business in the music business for Helmet is beginning to look and sound a lot like that of Seattle grungers-turned-rockers, Soundgarden. The New York city-based Helmet first struck in 1989 with the indie release, Strap It On, followed by the major label albums, Meantime and Betty, two diverse types yet true grit pieces of work. Soundgarden toiled in indie land for years before signing on the dotted line and releasing Badmotorfinger, a classic album but not a band-breaking one. It wasn't until the band found a comfortable medium between grunge and rock'n'roll on Superunknown that they were heralded for their musical talents. [Goes on to say later] Aftertaste's songs are corroded with guitars of all sounds, some like Soundgarden. Like Soundgarden's Chris Cornell, Hamilton is not known for insightful and deep lyrics. Their lyrics are downright silly and just written because some words happen to rhyme and most have less than fifteen lines of words. In other words, don't look for the any Vedder-or Corgan-ish musings here." Looks like the author of this piece is misinformed about the band and implied his dislike for the lyrics Chris writes. Jesus "...not known for insightful and deep lyrics..." LOL ------------------------------ From: Larry Grover Subject: Why we buy No one should ever be ashamed of buying a record because of who is on it. Isn't that why we buy records, to get music by people whose music we like? I bought TOTD because of who is on it. How many of us would ever have bought Hater or Wellwater Conspiracy if we hadn't known who was on it? I've acquired some of my favorite records by reading Kim's t-shirts! We can't all be Peter Buck and shell out for everything that looks like it might be cool. Marketing isn't totally evil if it points some of us in the direction of what we want and probably didn't know existed. Jen Grover ------------------------------ From: "Enrique Olavarria" Subject: Official Releases and Bootlegs hello. in my opinion, the remark about the work and effort the band puts in official releases is true most of the time, but not always. years ago i bought BMF only to find out a while later that a new BMF with an extra disc (SOMMS) had been released. i wasn't happy about having to buy BMF again (and i didnt). then i got Superunknown and a month later every store had the international version with an extra song (she likes surprises) and then kind of the same thing happened with DOTU and Down Under on the Upside. not much work or effort put in the three different new versions. of course i want to have them all, but i dont have the money to buy albums twice. so if i ever find BMF/SOMMS and Fresh Deadly Rarities sitting together in a store i have no doubt i would get FDR, simply because it has more songs i don't have (now if SOMMS was an ep it would be cheaper and things would be different). speaking about singles and b-sides placed in a context that is IMO also true most of the time (the flower single is a very good example) but not always. some singles are just a couple of old b-sides and one new song in an attractive package (and throw in a poster too). not much effort (in the musical content) in there either. of course i think every single is cool and if i could get them all i would, even if that meant i would have every song ten times, but id rather buy a bootleg with that one new song and others i don't have. i guess my point is that some official releases are made to take advantage of the fact that fans want every song. therefore taking more of our money for less. i dont know if it's soundgarden's or A&M's fault, and i don't care. i'll buy them anyway, what the hell, but if i can save some money buying a bootleg instead of 4 or 5 not so good singles or whatever, i will. i don't know how you guys find bootlegs anyway, i just spent a month in L.A. and San Francisco and didn't see a single one. maybe i wasn't looking in the right places. bye. enrique. ------------------------------ From: spierce@mpls.k12.mn.us (Sandy Pierce) Subject: chris cornell, my neighbor??? this isn't terribly useful information but, i was looking up addresses and names on the internet and i found that there are a lot of Chris Cornells and even one that lives very close to me. i got excited (even though i live in minneapolis). wouldn't it be cool if your name was chris cornell, or if you knew one? there were some christine and christina and chrissy cornells too. i just find things like that amusing. there were also a lot of people with my name, i was suprised (but i was more surprised by the number of chris cornells). enough useless bable, amanda ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Re: Chris sang PJ's Alive Farsi wrote: > Anyone out there got a copy of Omega Paradise (Live in US '93)? If so you probably know this but I'll say this anyway. I once knew someone who had the original copy, it had a weird cover, like a scene form hell or something. That's not the important thing, one track 7 they play room a thousand years wide (although one the cover track 7 is called something else, I can't remember what it was) and suddenly in the middle of the song everything slows down and Chris starts singing PJ's Alive. It's so cool also it has different lyrics. The cool thing is that the band is playing room a thou... and Chris is singing Alive. < um, actually, the song that chris sings "alive" in is in an extended version of "slaves & bulldozers." he sings "jesus is my friend" after he stops "alive" too. but, the case is marked wrong, the song isn't room a thousand years wide, it's slaves & bulldozers. it's even marked wrong on my taped copy. = P the songs are from motorvision or louder than live, and some show i can't figure out. (any one who buys this- the version of Somewhere is AWFUL!) mind riot ____ we see you cry turn your head then we slap your face we see you try see you fail some things never change... ------------------------------ From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: Nothing to say... At 06:29 20/03/97 -0800, ANDRI NADZRI wrote: >John,thanks for your lengthy but helpful explaination Glad to help! >..BTW... >do u know the tabs/chords for the solo version of BHS...anyone in fact??please >email privately... If you want the guitar tablature transcribed for BHS, there is a few places you can get it on the 'net (if you're into Netscape or Internet Explorer), for example, at: http://www.ee.fit.edu/users/northcut/TABS/ [this will get you to a menu - just follow it through to Soundgarden and then Superunknown] You have to use some interpolation to get the whole of the song and listen to the album for the timings, and the solo itself is actually missing. If you really REALLY want the solo, give me a line, but it's a big one to transcribe (hell, we're talking about triplet demi-semi quavers for much of the way, and as they're playing in 9/8 for the solo, there's a helluva lot of those in a bar) - I have the entire tablature for Superunknown (and BMF and LTL and - soon - DOTU). The deal with the solo "rhythm" track (play around with this to get the timing) - note dropped D tuning and bastardised final three chords (I don't know who figured out that chord...) - and this is repeated throughout the solo. Bass guitar doubles this rhythm track (except the final three chords!) No chord F6sus#4/sus2 E||-------------------|-------3--3-3---|| B||-------------------|-------3--3-3---|| G||o------------------|-------4--4-4--o|| D||o------------------|-------3--3-3--o|| A||---3-2-0--/3-------|-------3--3-3---|| D||-------------5-4-3-|-(3)---3--3-3---|| ^ That's a slide up from the second fret to the third. The bracketed note is tied over the bar... If you need more info, just contact me...Hope this is of some help. Jackhammer. ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Re: Nothing to say... okay, this is how i play it (and no, this is not exact timing, it's not that hard to get when you play along. drop D tuning): D: 0-5-------------8 0-3 0-2 0-1 0 A: 5 5 5 3 3 2 1 1 3 D: 5 5 5 3 3 2 1 1 0 G: 5 5 5 4 1 2 that's the verse riff, repeat as necessary... add this little ditty to the end though, after the first time: D: 0-5 0-3 0-7 A: 3 5 3 7 D: 0 5 3 7 G: 2 that very last barre could be wrong... if you find anything better sounding, lemme know. play this for the chorus: D: 0 1 0 0 - 0-5 0-3 0-7 A: 1 1 3 3 5 3 7 D: 1 1 0 0 5 3 7 G: 1 2 repeat, and again, last chord is funny, may not be entirely correct. when he goes to do the screaming "black hole sun! black hole sun!" part, play this D: 3 3 3 3 3 3 - 1 1 1 1 1 1 - A: 3 3 3 3 3 3 - 1 1 1 1 1 1 - D: 3 3 3 3 3 3 - 1 1 1 1 1 1 - G: 5 5 5 5 5 5 - 3 3 3 3 3 3 - 2 2 2 2 2 2 B: 5 5 5 5 5 5 - 3 3 3 3 3 3 - 3 3 3 3 3 3 e: 3 3 3 3 3 3 - 1 1 1 1 1 1 - 2 2 2 2 2 2 i have it written down 6 times for each chord, but play it as necessary, it's not always 6. that last thing is a D chord. barre the frets, but play mostly on the higher 3 or 4 strings. sounds pretty close to me. if this gets goofed up through e-mail, let me know and i'll re-send it. ____ we see you cry turn your head then we slap your face we see you try see you fail some things never change... ------------------------------ From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves) Subject: Oops...and Alive Sorry! That last post of mine was meant to be sent to Andri personally, not the entire list. Also, I forgot to mention that guitar tabs can equally be found on Seth's page at: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/tabs/ Silly of me not to plug the main SG page... :-( At 11:06 21/03/97 +0800, Farsi wrote: >That's not the important thing, one track 7 they play room a >thousand years wide (although one the cover track 7 is called something >else, I can't remember what it was) and suddenly in the middle of the song >everything slows down and Chris starts singing PJ's Alive. As side information, if you have the Motorvision video, there is also a song where Chris breaks into Alive. I'm not absolutely sure of the song, but it's probably Room a Thousand Years Wide too... Jackhammer ------------------------------ From: Brian McGilton Subject: Unplugged? It's been quite a while since I was on this list so you'll have to forgive me if this topic has already been covered. What does everyone think about an unplugged show? What songs would you like to see included? I was pleasantly suprised by the AIC unplugged show and was suprised at how good even the "harder" songs came out in acoustic format. I think it would be great if the guys would do one. Well, thats my 0.02 cents. Guido ------------------------------ From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: Unplugged? At 14:35 21/03/97 -0800, Brian McGilton wrote: >What does everyone think about >an unplugged show? Chris Cornell played Black Hole Sun with acoustic guitar, so I don't see why not... >What songs would you like to see included? Too many - Rusty Cage, Jesus Christ Pose (modified intro), Spoonman, Fell On Black Days, Full on Kevin's Mum...to name just a handful. Not just to hear them, but see if they can pull them off on acoustic... Jackhammer. PS: How about MTV goes out on a limb and lets us hear "Big Dumb Sex" ? :> ------------------------------ From: Kristian Koukal Was wondering if anyone had impressions of the Soundgarden stuff on the = sonic ignition website? sonicignition.com I'm very interested in = peoples impressions. kristian@sonicignition.com ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: what tape trading is all about... here's an excellent article about the whole spirit behind tape trading. perhaps posting it here will make the point to those thick enough to t hink that money can buy them everything: >A word about bootlegging vs. live taping from Marc Nutter and John > Longmire... > > Over the past few years, and thanks in large part to the generous policies of the > Grateful Dead, Phish, Allman Brothers, Radiators, Widespread Panic, etc. we have > seen a great increase in the number of bands allowing live concert recording. > > Fortunately, many respectable tapers exist and have a great deal of integrity. They > willingly record and copy music to share the spirit of live shows. > > Unfortunately, there are several ways that we could lose this privilege. Many of us, > who have been recording for a long time (and some newbies as well) are quite > concerned about some issues. The buying and selling of tapes, careless trading, and > non-cooperative attitudes toward security and fellow audience members hurts our > cause. > > First and foremost, when bands allow live taping they are "sharing" or "lending" their > music. But, make no mistake about it -- even though they are lending tapers their music > so that it can be shared, they maintain OWNERSHIP of this music. No one has the > right to assign a monetary value to this music except the band, the band's > representatives, the record company, etc. > > Especially with the proliferation of the Internet and of high quality tapes (thanks in no > small part to the increase in tapers who make digital masters) there seems to be an > increase in demand for tapes in general. In light of Jerry Garcia's recent passing there > no doubt will be an increase in demand for Dead tapes too. Many newbies or others > desperate to get live music may offer cash for tapes. Tapers, no matter how tempting > this may seem after one has put tons of time and money into recording, one must never > accept this. Similarly, to those who are seeking that one elusive show, that stellar first > show, or whatever show turns up on a "bootleg" offered for sale, please don't "buy" it. > Seek out a "live tape" from a taper or a friend of a taper. Chances are the "bootleg" will > be of inferior quality anyway. Additionally, the person who released or made the > "bootleg" likely does not care about the music and would, without the least bit of > concern, risk the demise of the live taping scene as a whole. > > Similarly, by buying a bootleg you reinforce the "bootlegger's incentive" to keep making > and selling "bootlegs." When you sell or buy a tape and it becomes a "bootleg" you > have substantiated the record companies' worst fear (i.e. that the sale of bootlegs will > rob the artist, the songwriters, and the record company). Remember the law is clear > against unauthorized duplication especially when money is involved. > > Further, don't forget that the exchange of money in relation to "tapes" is where it goes > from authorized duplication to unauthorized duplication. Finally, please buy (not copy) > the artist's commercial albums if you're going to make tapes or receive tapes of that > artist. This way you prove that you will buy the commercial albums in addition to check > out live tapes. This gives the artist and record company the incentive to keep allowing > "live taping." > > This is not intended to be harsh or rude, but the use of the term "bootleg" to refer to a > "live tape" (one that is not being bought or sold commercially) is extremely harmful. It > implies illegal recording and copying for money. > > Anyone doing that is not living up to the deal which allows free copying of live music. > Help us all by spreading the word that live tapers are not bootleggers and that live > recordings are not intended for sale. Please do not buy unauthorized "bootleg" CDs > and discourage others from doing the same. It will lead to the demise of authorized live > taping. > > Additionally with the advent of DAT and other digital formats, it is virtually impossible > to keep a clone from falling into the wrong hands. Remember, any clone can be used to > master a CD. Would you want your name attached to that tape somehow? > > "Any time you trade a tape, you are trading with all the other people that the person > you traded with trades with." Yikes, almost sounds like a social disease. If it shouldn't > be out there don't let it be. > > To keep the bootleggers from succeeding and to preserve our increasingly delicate and > fragile privilege to tape we must make tapes available to lots of people, and again, > discourage buying/selling live tapes for profit. After tiring of people offering to buy > tapes from us on the recent DMB tour we tried to instigate a plan where the grovellers > would get together and start a tree or at least cooperate with each other. This way the > taper only has to make one copy and the grovellers can share the burden of the > copying. If you see people abusing the implied etiquette of live tapes don't be afraid to > correct them. Everybody benefits from "live tapes" and everybody loses from > "bootlegs." > > One final note from the pedestal (sorry) -- we must be considerate at events where > recording is allowed. There will likely be whiners in the crowd or potentially jerky > security. This whole taping thing is new to them. They see it as an inconvenience and > see our stands not as beneficial but as an obstruction to their view. Be kind to people > and offer tapes to those who are inconvenienced. This indeed takes more time but it > turns potential enemies into friends who will thank us for our hard work. ------------------------------ From: Ali@Worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: Unplugged? John Grieves wrote: > PS: How about MTV goes out on a limb and lets us hear "Big Dumb Sex" ? :> Probably not in this life time, that would be cool though. But then again if they dont even want to show JCP, good lord what would they think of Big Dumb Sex? Imagine the uproar over that. Especially if no lyrical content was changed. Who needs to be thrilled? and even better, What needs to be touched. (I can't begin to imagine.) Good suggestion though........ PS..Wouldnt Tabs like that one, especially if it was being sung to her, or is she finally over CC. (just a joke) ali............. ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Re: Nothing to say... oh lord, sorry sommsters! i know this got way botched up. forgive my idiocy. this is for the BHS solo version...here's a re-post: D: 5 5 8 0-3 3 A: 5 5 5 3 3 D: 5 5 5 3 3 G: 5 5 5 D: 0-2 2-0-1 1-0-0 A: 2 2 1 1 3 D: 2 2 1 1 0 G: 4 1 2 that's the verse riff, repeat as necessary... add this little ditty to the end though, after the first time: D: 0-5 0-3 0-7 A: 3 5 3 7 D: 0 5 3 7 G: 2 that very last barre could be wrong... if you find anything better sounding, lemme know. play this for the chorus: D: 0 1 0 0 A: 1 1 3 3 D: 1 1 0 0 G: 1 2 D: 0-5 0-3 0-7 A: 5 3 7 D: 5 3 7 G: ---------------------------------- repeat, and again, last chord is funny, may not be entirely correct. when he goes to do the screaming "black hole sun! black hole sun!" part, play this D: 3 3 3 3 3 3 - 1 1 1 1 1 1 - A: 3 3 3 3 3 3 - 1 1 1 1 1 1 - D: 3 3 3 3 3 3 - 1 1 1 1 1 1 - G: 5 5 5 5 5 5 - 3 3 3 3 3 3 - 2 2 2 2 2 2 B: 5 5 5 5 5 5 - 3 3 3 3 3 3 - 3 3 3 3 3 3 okay i know it says only 6 times for each chord, but it varies and it's not tough to figure out. that last chord is a D. barre the entire fret where it says so, but play mostly on the highest 3 or 4 strings. sounds best that way. if this once again gets botched, yell and scream at me for being dumb. to end on, where the final verse is and the song just stops (the "hang my head..." part): D: 5 5-8 0-3 3-0-2 A: 5 5 5 3 3 2 D: 5 5 5 3 3 2 G: 5 5 5 4 and that it, cc just lets the last note fade. you can bend that last note hit on th G string if you want, kinda sounds neat. and there you go, figured out from watching the Fairfax vid, thanks you so much. = ) mind riot (sorry again!!!) ____ we see you cry turn your head then we slap your face we see you try see you fail some things never change... ------------------------------ From: Lee Christensen Subject: Aust. RS readers poll, thing and umm something else Hey ya, Well since I may as well do my once a year post or so :) it may aswell be now. A friend lent me her copy of the Aust. Rolling Stone with the readers poll results in it...well it's only RS so let's see how we did: Best Male Singer: 1) Eddie Vedder 2) Billy Corgan 3) Chris Cornell well 2 out of 3 are alright :) I won't say anything about my opinion of BC singing :) Best Hard Rock Band: 1) Metallica 2) Pearl Jam 3) Soundgarden Wierd things: Pearl Jam managed to win both the best and worst album of the year for No Code...work that one out :) Pearl Jam also won best band, followed by Smashing Pumpkins and then Garbage. Of note: You Am I won best Australia Artist and Album (Regurgitator and Powderfinger followed) Best Australian Band: Regurgitator, You Am I, Spiderbait Hope all that wasn't posted before....I know it's pretty crappy a RS readers poll but well I read it :) >when i bought the Temple Of The Dog tape (yes, i bought tapes back >then), it had a sticker on it that said something like; "featuring >member of Pearl jam and Soundgarden". Suffice to say (and I say this >kinda shamefully), that's what made me buy it. .. And this was posted from someone and made me remember when I saw a BMF cd with a sticker on it reading :) wait for it :) 'WITH CHRIS CORNELL FROM TEMPLE OF THE DOG' :) :) I am not joking on a BMF cd :) god that made me laugh :) Oh well time to go quite once again :) :) seeya Lee PS: why do I always put somms@mit.edu.au on my messages...damn send again :) ***** "I'm sorry I was cruel, I forgot to kiss you..... " For KC dog....love you always....Oct 1986 - Feb 25 1997 ------------------------------ From: "Eric B. Gardner" Subject: somms and ll I have a copy of bmf/somms (20) and also a copy of loudest love (18), both are surplus to my needs. This is not a freebie, the number after each item is the price, postage included (in the US). Money orders in US funds preferred. If more than one person responds I'll resort to the name drawing ritual. Minor details will be worked out w/the individual. I also have the SuperUnKnown cd release w/ She Likes Surprises (8) and a BimH cd single (w/ Karaoke (sp?), Bleed Together and el demo version of Birth Ritual) (8) and a black vinyl copy of that SubPop single of the month club release (15)...damn...what was the name???:) I am not opening a store, just thinning things out a bit. Eric ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 73] ***************************************