From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 20 Mar 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 02:11:58 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 20 Mar 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: The annual post from The Guitarist... Re: Chris-the guitarist Goodbye Tonight Show whatever does this annoy anyone else? Info you should know... more responses to more messages Re: puss 'n boots responses Temple tape limo wreck, ymsimm, live sg Re: 90 GOOD-BYE EVERYONE Is that Susan??/Outshined Re: Tonight Show Re: Temple tape Tape Trees Explained KT & the NC incedent. Re: puss 'n boots elastic firecrackers.. Re: more bootleg shit LISTENING TO SOUNDGARDEN INCREASES FERTILITY Re: more responses to more messages Cash, Johnny Re: KT & the NC incedent. Johnny Cash doin Rusty cage.... boot trading page Re: Rusty Cage SEX messages XMAS Rusty Cage Re: Rusty Cage ------------------------------------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: The annual post from The Guitarist... A couple things: 1 - I noticed my name on the list of SOMMS owners? Hey, 'twould be cool, but unfortunately not yet . . . working on it though . . . ;-) 2 - My birthday was last Monday (the 10th) and among the joyous gifts I received was ... Soundgarden-Riff by Riff! ah, what great joy to now whip out riffs from the solo on Big Dumb Sex to the mandolin on Ty Cobb! (now I must get a mandolin! be ready to hear from The Mandolinist-2001! ;-) 3 - Regarding that obnoxious post about Eddie V. being unrelated to T.O.D., why is it that every time some strange person from nowhere has something incredibly stupid to say, they feel they need to use caps? It seems now that whenever there's a message completely in caps lock you're almost always guaranteed some insane ramblings of stupidity (which will always lead to collective flames from the list, which just adds to the traffic on this list and supports why I now get the digest) 4 - Regarding the debate about the morality of bootleggs versus authorized releases . . . boy, now I feel really bad about getting From the Mouth of Decadence... I'd finally convinced myself that it was alright and that I wasn't going to jail, and now Seth says that if you have an unauthorized release without having each song also on an authorized release, you're going to hell! Sure, I know I'm going to hell anyway, but this sure doesn't help plead my case... that's all for now... I think... The Guitarist-2001 "Without you everything falls apart Without you it's not as much fun to pick up the pieces" - The Perfect Drug, Nine Inch Nails ------------------------------ From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: Chris-the guitarist Sorry about the verbose nature of this post... :> At 06:27 18/03/97 -0800, ANDRI NADZRI wrote: >i was just wonderin....does SG ussually modify the chords and >arrangement for their songs when they play live?I mean,like someone in the list >mentioned b4, some songs do have layers and layers of guitars on 'em. Okay, so I'm getting a little off track here, seeing as I can't give you a direct response exclusively for Soundgarden. General principles used by bands (and this applies for guitar and vocals) is that there is usually only one or two outstanding parts to be played or sung from any given studio song. Prime examples are: * Black Hole Sun - played live by Chris Cornell alone with acoustic guitar. For example, the introduction played contained the more important of the two guitar parts - one guitar track from the album version (noted in official transcription for the song as having a high frequency "Leslie" or rotating speaker effect over it) was completely omitted. This left no major gaping hole in the song. Added to that, Chris Cornell singing solo also meant that the final chorus, where on the album version there is "screaming" going on the background, this "screaming" was omitted. No major effect to the overall consistency of the song - it's still very much (unmistakably?) Black Hole Sun. * As I previously mentioned, Alice In Chains records three guitar tracks (well, Jerry Cantrell does, to be more specific) - obviously for their unplugged edition, where Jerry was joined by another guitarist (sorry, name forgotten), one guitar track has to go. This is no problem - the arrangements for either guitar are made as such that the "important" guitar information remains. [Also note that Alice In Chains often records three vocal tracks - with only Jerry Cantrell and Layne Stayley singing, one of these lines has to go!] Most guitar transcriptions in magazines and a lot of official guitar tab books identify this concept and will transcribe songs for only one or two guitars. However, it is equally important in these transcriptions that the major riffs, hooks, vocal lines and chords are included. A different chord will immediately be noticed, as will variations in riffs - it's better to completely omit a riff than to half do the job... To facilitate accurate playing of songs, it's important to ensure correct guitar tunings of songs. Black Hole Sun NOT tuned to dropped D would be very different... In summary, to my knowledge, Soundgarden uses this "play the important stuff" principle - at least, they did when I saw them! >DOTU..would u ppl have that trademark"wall-of-sound" or the more >stripped own SG? I personally don't consider the two to be far from each other - in either case, you still have a limited number of important musical features that you notice in a song...extra tracks don't affect that; and anyhow - "mistakes" made become part of the song. Only the guitarist him/herself really knows the truth... That said, give me the stripped down version. Jackhammer Music Anthologist - - corrections, additions, comments most welcome... ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: Goodbye Time has come for me to leave the list. I would like to thank the list for providing intelligent conversation about one of my favourite subjects, soundgarden. Special thanks to Carolyn the M.F. for the tape trading. Hope to be back one day. "Rock n' roll doesn't have a soul, just a dick and a wallet" --- Kim Thayil ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Tonight Show Hey did any one see the Tonight Show? Johnny Cash was on and he played Rusty Cage, it sounded pretty darn good, cept he left out the "Hits like a phillips head into my brain" verse, I dunno why he does that, then afterwoords Jay Leno interviewed him, didnt mention Soundgarden at all. Overall it was pretty cool. Dave ------------------------------ From: Peter Taylor Subject: whatever As I was reading the previuos list, I noticed something about a pj mailing list. Is there one? Would anyone be kind enough to give me the adress? Nicky Oh and by the way. If eddie had nothing to do with temple of the dog, how come his name was credeted for two of the songs on it. Just addding my 2c worth to this little debate. ------------------------------ From: kjm@mtool.com (Karen Monoker) Subject: does this annoy anyone else? > oh i agree with that....the guys are brilliant...if it wasnt for their individual outstanding talent....as a whole they wouldnt be as amazing...however....unless sg (dont worry..i'm biting my tongue) do breakup...we'll never know whether my theory or your theory is right or wrong.....but we're allowed to have our own opinions...and so i still think that yeah they'd still be good if they went into different things....but never come even close to the calabre they've acheived now ****************************************************************************** ******************** In Re: singing golden words in a broken voice... dated 97-03-18 20:46:57 EST, blind dog wrote: << sorry for the "yeah, me too" post fellow sommsters, but as far as I can tell both geoff and caryn are right (as was rita when she noted that the project was originally chris' idea). the first two tracks from _temple of the dog_ were originally to be released by chris as a single >> thanksyou guys....like i've said before....each one of us knows bits and pieces...some a bit more than others....but i just posted what i knew (to be true) but you guys have shown me the reality behind it.... <> i dont think anyone said that.....the majority (if not all) have said it was released as a tribute to wood....but a&m wanted to cash in on pj (and sg's) "new found" fame...so THEY (not sg/pj) rereleased it as a commercial thing ****************************************************************************** ******************** In Re: Temple/Andrew/Matt/Real PJ History dated 97-03-18 22:23:39 EST, niki freer wrote: << i'd have to agree with rita on this one. ben, kim, matt, and chris equal on hell of a music group, but on their own they are still amazing musicians. look at hater! look at "seasons" and the acoustic version of "like suicide" !! look at matt's tone dogs side! these guys are loaded! and kim, what band wouldn't want kim as their lead guitarist? the PUSA (presidents of the united states...ect.) had him play on a track on their album. these guys are in demand. and especially look at TOTD. amazing amazing material. each member is his own musical talent and deserves to be recognized as so. besides, what would JCP have sounded like if all 4 boys hadn't combined in the effort? each lended his own personal talent and look what came out-- one of the most powerful songs (***i believe***) to have ever been written. >> you do have a point there....however...no where did i say that they did not have talent on their own....the reason (imho) these "side" projects (or whatever you wanna call them) worked so well is becuase no matter what....they still have the support of eachother (not saying that once/if - you guys are gonna kill me if i keep saying this - they break up and go their seperate ways they wont still support eachother)...but if they do break up....and do differnt thing...differnt bands...or pure solo projects....well...honestly...maybe they'll sound a hell of a lot better than anything they have produced as of yet....but the sad reality of it is....they're gonna be compared to soundgarden (ie; before {my little proposed} breakup)....and thus...taht's going to hinder their success in the future...as well as how we percieve (not necessarily how it really is...but how we percieve) them seperately....am i making any sense or just pure rambling? ****************************************************************************** ******************** In Re: soundgarden rules dated 97-03-18 23:31:44 EST, candy wrote: << I believe that the Hunger Strike video also came out before Ten was released. I'm pretty sure that I remember seeing it a couple of times on Headbanger's Ball and being surprised that there was a video for it, as none of the band members were well known at that time. Then later, after Ten was a big hit, they started showing the second, slightly different version of the Hunger Strike video regularly on MTV. >> there are two versions of hunger strike? ****************************************************************************** ******************** In Re: puss 'n boots dated 97-03-18 23:36:22 EST, clmiller wrote: << If you (KAISERVRBL) think that it doesn't hurt anyone, then go into your nearest Tower Records or Blockbuster, and steal a few thousand dollars. I'm sure that the company doesn't need it. >> not saying that i agree with the bootlegging thing per sa.....but how is this really relevent to the topic at hand?..... ****************************************************************************** ******************** In Re: Tonight Show dated 97-03-19 05:18:35 EST, dave wrote: << Hey did any one see the Tonight Show? Johnny Cash was on and he played Rusty Cage, it sounded pretty darn good, cept he left out the "Hits like a phillips head into my brain" verse, I dunno why he does that, then afterwoords Jay Leno interviewed him, didnt mention Soundgarden at all. Overall it was pretty cool. >> no...i missed that...but when sg played TO (for those of us who dont know what that is...that's be toronto...ontario)....much music (our equivelent of mtv....but mm is better...tee hee..nevermind)...chris mentioned something aobut cash recording rusty cage...and he said he really liked cash's version of it....as for cash not mentioning sg....did the song come up in convo with leno and johnny? ****************************************************************************** ******************** alright guys...that's it for now....thankyou...drive thru xo ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: puss 'n boots In a message dated 3/18/97 9:36:22 PM, clmiller@usachoice.net (CL Miller) wrote: << If you (KAISERVRBL) think that it doesn't hurt anyone, then go into your nearest Tower Records or Blockbuster, and steal a few thousand dollars. I'm sure that the company doesn't need it.>> Why was I singled out? I have never even posted as to my position on this subject. Chris I am hurt. First of all I own EVERY single bit of Soundgarden I have been able to get my hands on. I have even doubled up on a lot of stuff just to collect it. (i.e. singles that I have 3 or 4 of, various vinyl colors, albums on CD AND cassette etc). I have a few bootlegs, Stolen Prayers, Fresh Deadly Rarities, and 3 live boots, but that's it. My Tape compilations I did was not to circumvent the band or steal any profits from them, I was just trying to get people exposed to as much stuff as I could because some of this stuff is harder than Hell to find. PLUS, I lost money on the whole thing. So why was I mentioned in this post? Lance ------------------------------ From: Fiona Thiessen Subject: *** Aussie SOMMSters, sorry everyone else but there's a few of us on here (relative to those who are actually posting stuff) and I don't have the time to mail them personally. Someone was saying they heard another person yell "Head Down Ben, Head Down!!" ...shit! were you at the Melb Festival gig? that person was right behind me and I was right up the front, wavering b/w Chris and Ben. You must have been near the front too! Another person mentioned You Am I being at a record store the day before BDO, it wass Greville Records and Ben and Matt were there too!! The band before You Am I at Festival was (The ?) Living End. I too heard SG warm up before the gig, I also heard YAI and LE, and so I should have! :) I was 3rd in line, there 6hrs before opening time. I can't beleive a whole bunch of Victorian SOMMSters were there and I could have met you all face to face (and let you jump line to get up the front ;> ) Fiona ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: responses In Re: does this annoy anyone else? dated 97-03-19 11:07:28 EST, karen wrote: << Does it annoy anyone else when people are quoting songs incorrectly? This is not intended as a flame, I am just wondering if I have become way too obsessed... And I didn't mean just this particular quote, there are tons of them every day... I'll just stop now. >> well...with the aids of the aid of lyric sheets we shouldn't have those probs and this should be "unacceptable"...right?...right...but then again...there are those songs that dont exactly have the lyrics avialable to the public...and let's face it....some of the singers out there arent exactly clear and dont ennunciate/articulate the words (take...and donot tell me to take this to the pj page..i'mjust using an example....take for example a great song...black....it's amazing...but it doesnt exactly....as far as i'm concerned...have the original lyrics to be found....so although i can tell you most of what the song says....i'm not sure of some parts of it...and thus....i will probably quote them wrongly) ****************************************************************************** *************** In Re: soundgarden rules dated 97-03-19 11:07:28 EST, deb wrote: <> let's face it....no two people are ever going to agree on everything....if we didnt have difference of opinoions...no matter how big/small they may be....we'd lead very boring lives.....and i think it's great as well....and everyone on this list should be able to post whatever they want and not have to worry about being flamed (actually i take that back...cuz after all..there is a limit to everything)....but...why is it that some of us are completely jumping all over someone cuz they (i) think differently...or (ii) are a bit off with their info.....if you dont like what someone has to say or think/know they're wrong....go ahead and post your views...but dont put anyone else down...agreed deb?.... <> well...we do differ here....i dont think he was "stuck" into doing the job per sa....he could have.....had he felt that passionately about it...refused the project....but then again...he didnt force himself into the project either..he was invited in <> nope..no dice on that one....like i said...we (not just you and i...but me and a lot of people....you and a lot of people....everyone and evyerone else) have a difference of opinions....and unless you make a direct crack at me....you wont offend me....and vice versa...i'm not gonna attack you (you being not only the personal you...but also applying the the general universal you) as a person or question your morales just becuase you think this thing is better than that...or becuase you perfer something over something else.....it's all a matter of taste....to each his own...right? <> and that's what ticks me off a bit about this list....when someone does bring pj up...face it guys....they're sooo related (pj/sg)....that you'll get atleast 3 or so people telling you to go post somewhere else....i've said it before....and i'm gonna say it again....there's only so much convo involved where we can talk about and only about sg......if we dont want the list to deteriorate into a haphazard worthless bunch of mail....we have to go a bit (not necessarily a lot) out of the realm that is sgland...get it?....it doesnt hurt if we do talk about something/someone that is sgrelated without it having to strictly being based on cc, kt, bs, mt (or even ss)...... <> well....and one thing though....you also gotta admit...that yeah we are huge sg fans...but look beyond the blindfold you've encased yourself in guys...but i think deb will agree (or not...but still)....you gotta admit....yeah sg were on their way up...but maybe....just maybe (put that ignorance down)....just slightly purhaps....seeing ev in the hungerstrike video...grabbed people's (like my) attention....and then seeing cc...and noting his beauty....as well as his great vocals and immense talent....could have purhaps maybe sorta kinda helped sg rise a bit faster?.... <> oh....hehhe....i guess i should tell you guys who you're talking to eh?....sorry....well...the name's khyaati....but that's just gonna be a bit too hard for you to remember....so....kate will do fine....thanks ****************************************************************************** ****************** xo ------------------------------ From: "Jamie C." Subject: Temple tape when i bought the Temple Of The Dog tape (yes, i bought tapes back then), it had a sticker on it that said something like; "featuring member of Pearl jam and Soundgarden". Suffice to say (and I say this kinda shamefully), that's what made me buy it. .. - -- - -JAmiE Care - ---------------------------------------------- ******* "Two of us, that's dangerous" * * (B.C.) * O O O * ---------------------------------- * * acoustic sounds...... * ***** * ****MoNaBoNe-J**** * * jcare@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca ******* ----------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Luck's Last Match Subject: limo wreck, ymsimm, live sg To the person talking about singing limo wreck, why would you want to keep your voice clear? Throw in some raspy distortion (have plenty of sunny D to drink afterwards) and the song sounds really evil! and, what's better, with the distortion, you don't have to hit all the notes perfectly, as long as the emotion stays... you make me sick i make musis is completely grammatical. It may not be allowed in perscriptive grammar, but it conveys an idea that perceivers understand, making it okay in descriptive grammar. an ungrammatical sentence would be: house the a painted student Also, it is a nice play on sounds, but i also just like the thought that he's saying "You piss me off, but i'm not gonna kick your ass, i'm just gonna go play guitar" We say Shakespeare had double meanings, why can't Cornell? And as for changing songs live, i remember at lolla that pretty noose was played w/ regular barre shapes, which blows to shit the two tabs i've seen, where the tuning is CGCGGE. any ideas? laters. -j "A voice coach taught me to sing, he couldn't teach me to love" - -Pavement. ------------------------------ From: Fiona Thiessen Subject: Re: 90 Ok, so the cliche is probably true, "if you can't say anything nice, blah, blah" but.... .. to whoever wanted to know about where to get 90 clothing.... I know for a fact Chris has calvin klein underwear and you must be able to get these at any clothing store! ------------------------------ From: KENNY BECKWITH <"beckwith@gte.net"@gte.net> Subject: GOOD-BYE EVERYONE Well Sommsters I am unsubscribing from the Somms list. Trust me I don't want to but my parents are disconnecting my computer. They said it was costing to much money. As soon as I get my job I will be back on though. Even if I have to pay for it myself. Any one that I was making any trades with I e-mailed you already. So if anyone wants to get ahold of me for any reason you got to do it tonight. Talk to all of you soon. THIS SUCKS!!! AAAUUUUGGGGHHH Lisa B ------------------------------ From: Rebekah Henderson Subject: Is that Susan??/Outshined On the SNL performances, when SG just finished BIMH, Chris walks back to their amps and all of a sudden there's a person behind the amps! Is that Susan? I didn't see anybody during Pretty Noose and you never see anybody behind them and there's plenty of shots of the amps! It's just for a few brief seconds, but that is a person!! Does anybody know what I am talking about?? Also, I know that Matt does the backup vocals on some songs when SG play live and I was wondering if he sings on the albums as well or if it's Chris doing them and to make it sound good, Matt does them onstage. I was watching the video for Outshined today and I'm pretty sure I caught a glimpse of Matt lip synching to the backup parts. Just wondering because they do sound like Chris on the albums, but sometimes you can't tell. May Soundgarden be with you. Rebekah ------------------------------ From: Billy Subject: Re: Tonight Show Yeah, I saw that... I was waiting for him to mention Soundgarden but he never did. It was a decent cover if you dig his music but I think Soundgarden's version is 99999 times better. ------------------------------ From: "Christopher M. Farley" Subject: Re: Temple tape Me too. I never heard a song of of the CD(I was high tech back then), but that sticker made me buy it. I don't neccessarily think that is something to be ashamed of. Later, Chris - ---------- > From: Jamie C. > To: somms@MIT.EDU > Subject: Temple tape > Date: Wednesday, March 19, 1997 12:42 PM > > when i bought the Temple Of The Dog tape (yes, i bought tapes back > then), it had a sticker on it that said something like; "featuring > member of Pearl jam and Soundgarden". Suffice to say (and I say this > kinda shamefully), that's what made me buy it. .. > -- > -JAmiE Care > > > ---------------------------------------------- > ******* "Two of us, that's dangerous" > * * (B.C.) > * O O O * ---------------------------------- > * * acoustic sounds...... > * ***** * ****MoNaBoNe-J**** > * * jcare@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca > ******* ----------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Tape Trees Explained Hey List 99% of you have no idea what a tree is..so hopefully this will explain it. I doubt it will sink into all...but some of you may get the gist...even the rude people (you know who you are *sigh*). steve - -------------------------------------------------------------- >>The following is taken from the FAQ section of the Verve homepage and slightly modified :)<< What is a "tree"? A tree is basically a hierarchal distribution list for the purpose of getting rare/live material in the hands of the mailing list at a low cost to everyone. How does it work? one person volunteers a tape to tree, this person is the "trunk" of the tree. that person asks for individuals interested in serving as "branches" to the tree. these branches will dub copies of the tape for the "leaves". So here is a graphical representation of the tree: a) douglas has a tape that is mega cool and he wants to share with the group. let's say it is Soundgarden's 11/13/96 Toronto, Ontario b) he offers the tape to "tree". if he just wants to share, but not do any of the legwork, he posts a message saying "i've got a cool tape to tree, who wants to take over?" otherwise he does it himself. c) someone volunteers to handle the details of the tree. douglas mails the tape to be treed to the someone. let's call him richard. (note: yeah call him dick :-) d) richard posts to the group asking for volunteers to serve as "branches" for the tree. These volunteers will have to make copies for others, so the branches should have a pretty good quality dubbing deck, or similar capabilities. e) richard receives emails from the volunteers who will dub (remember these people are called "branches"), and keeps them on file. f) once he has at least a few volunteers, he then asks for "leaves". these are people who just basically want copies of the tape, but either don't have the desire or capability to make copies for others. which is ok. g) richard then notes the number of emails that are leaves, vs. the number of leaves. h) richard organizes them into groups. to keep any one individual from having to do a whole lot of dubbing, he tries to limit the number of leaves on a branch to around 5-7 people. the number of branches is dependent on the demand for the tape. a key idea is to not have one person have to make 25 tapes. let's distribute the workload amongst the group. i) richard emails the branches and asks for their addresses and some $$. the amount of $$ should be cost. this is not a profit-making enterprise. i expect a chrome cassette, packing and postage to be $5-$7, dependent on airmail etc. however, the $$ amount should be agreed upon by the group, not set by an individual. j) as the cash rolls in, richard makes copies of douglas's tape and mails them to the "branches", along with the names and addresses of the "leaves" that have been assigned to that person/"branch". k) as each branch receives his/her tape, s/he emails his/her assigned leaves and asks for $$ and a mailing address. she makes copies for his/her assigned leaves and mails them out. l) the leaves get their tapes and everyone rocks out. What happens if i don't get my tape? The "trunk" can trace back who your "branch" was, and you should know anyway. the tree runs on trust and love. if you are ripped off, the group will shun the ripper. hopefully though, since the cost is low, the pain won't be too great. ------------------------------ From: Ali@Worldnet.att.net Subject: KT & the NC incedent. I know this is off the subject aweebit. Last year when SG was in North Carolina,( I believe it was NC, I'm old so bear with me) Kim got into some trouble with a girl that was part of a wedding party. I know at the time that it happended they or Kurt Loder to be more specific, said that he was being charged with assault from some girl who said that he pushed her. I believe it was in reference to her asking him for an autograph or a picture and he wasnt in the mood (he is only human) and she pushed him and he pushed her back (something to that extent) and I was just wondering if anyone on the list knows what the final outcome of that situation was. Did he go to court? Where the charges dropped? Was he ever even charged? I never heard anything else about it, and I was wondering if anyone else may know what happened. Thats all.... later........ ali.......... ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Re: puss 'n boots CL Miller wrote: > Yes, Niki, Chris wrote "say hello 2 heaven" and "reach down" about Andrew Wood. I believe that most of the album (being dedicated to Andy) has something or other in reference to Andy. Just take a listen to "times of trouble". < yeah, i *knew* that. i was just wondering if the specific line about the "stargazer" was a direct mention of andy's song. i found out from a few SOMMSters that the song andy wrote called "stargzaer" was about his girlfriend, and so i've kinda come to the conclusion (with, again, SOMMSters help) that the whole "stargazer" line is about her. "times of trouble" is a very good song, one of the better ones on the album, in my opinion. mind riot ____ we see you cry turn your head then we slap your face we see you try see you fail some things never change... ------------------------------ From: Vince Varkey Subject: elastic firecrackers.. Regarding the pictures from last years's sommfest in Chicago that are currently on Seth's site: Are there anymore pictures out there that are scanned and are out there? Like on someone else's site? Also, about Vikki's pictures of the band that have just been added to the site..wow. Those really were some of the best pictures I have ever seen of the band. Great job. About Jason's SG bootleg site: Only three people were on that list, last time I checked. A person asked if we had any initiative to do this whole thing. Do we? Am I the only one into this? Does anyone have any info on the upcoming Hater CD? And Seth, how did you manage to attain the upcoming song titles? Your Silver Management connection? : ) That's all I got. Responses would be appreciated. Weird concept I know. - -vince ------------------------------ From: Vince Varkey Subject: Re: more bootleg shit I have to add my 2 cents to this thread before it dies. Trung, if you want to go buy bootlegs, that is fine with me. You are a fan of the band, you *wanted* the songs, so you did what you had to do. There are some moral questions of course, but the world won't end if you buy FDR or whatever boot you choose. Obviously, a lot of folks on here don't feel the same way. But hey..to each his or her own. About the being a true fan or what not.. you made a good point. I have FDR. I would hate for someone to accuse me of being, as you put it, an "untrue" fan because that would simply be ignorant. Anyway, keep speaking your semi-controversial views man..it makes for interesting reading. - -vince ------------------------------ From: CL Miller Subject: LISTENING TO SOUNDGARDEN INCREASES FERTILITY A PUBLIC APOLOGY: I would like to publicly apologize to KAISERVRBL for my comment in yesterday's post. I didn't read the post correctly but should have. I hang my head in shame. On a blustery March day, Lynne wrote: > We must speak our minds even if it isn't the > popular voice. I don't always agree with what I read on this list but I > have to remember that everyone has their own opinions. I get to see a > different point of view. We can all learn from one another... I agree 100% that we CAN learn from someone else's viewpoint, but...if someone else tries to MAKE their own viewpoint by trashing another's, it is pointless. Opinions (or facts) are only as good as the information or logic that they are backed up by. You don't dislike something just because. There is almost always a reason for like, dislike, hate or love. If you are going to state your opinion, GREAT! But try to explain to someone who doesn't agree with you why you feel that way. > at least we've got someone who will stand > up and speak their opinion like an individual opinion...yes...well-founded opinion?...maybe not. See above point for explanation. On a slippery March day, Deb wrote: > There's absolutely NO REASON why people > on this list can't voice their own opinions! How boring it would be if we > all had the exact same thoughts, views and opinions! Then there'd be no > reason to even have this list. As far as I can tell, the USA is still a > free country and we still have freedom of speech. I agree Deb. But as I've said before, there may be freedom of speech, but there is also something called common courtesy. Respect others' opinions, and you will receive respect for yours in return. > What's wrong w/ having some > debates and HEARING OUT EACH OTHER before names are called and flames are > thrown???? Exactly...HEAR EACH OTHER OUT! On a timeless March day, Caryn wrote: > ...a little humor into the list, which has been sadly > lacking. Yes, Caryn, it seems that when SG are being reclusive, the wolves of SOMMS come out of the cave and go at each other's throats. I thought that this list was to discuss our LOVE of Soundgarden, not our disgust for each other??? Am I wrong??? On an insatiable March day, KSingh2349 wrote: > it's the chemistry of all four of them that makes them so good....put matt > and ben and kim and chris all in seperate bands.....and mind you...due to > their success now they may do well at first....but in the long run they will > probably end up failing....cuz well...they work great together....but apart > they're not as good as the whole...what's the saying?...united we stand > devided we fall? Interesting. Here's my take. Chris Cornell = Chocolate Chips Kim Thayil = Sugar Matt Cameron = Milk Ben Shepard = Flour Mix them together, and you get wonderfully tasty cookies. Keep them apart, and they are all still tasty (well, maybe except for the flour, but it's BEN for Christ's sake!") AND! They can each be used in other recipes with other ingredients to make equally delicious foods! (God, I'm hungry) On a salient March day, Caryn wrote: > i wonder what chris *feels* when he performs it? > perhaps that is another factor that dissuades them from trying to perform > it often. I too wonder what Chris feels. I read somewhere that he often feels like he is the best singer/performer in the world...but just as often feels that he is a worthless piece of shit. I would imagine that he feels the connection to a personal song just like we do when we smell a familiar old smell (baking cookies or a roasting turkey) or if we hear a song that we identify with a particular moment in time. btw...does Chris decide what to play for a setlist, or does the whole band decide? Also, why do they play a nearly identical set night to night on tour? I can understand the new material would remain constant, but what about old stuff? On an infantile March day, Trung wrote: > Actually Geoff started it. But Mommy, HE hit me FIRST! (sorry, I couldn't resist) ;) > Geoff, I am > sorry about that snide "Mommy" comment. Good man! On a replicating March day, Geoff wrote: > Clearly we > have different opinions, and I'm glad to see that you can debate this > rationally, rather spouting off like a child. YOU WIN THE GRAND PRIZE! This is what I've been talking about kiddies. Intellectually stimulating, mature, adult conversation. {:-) I love you all! Chris p.s. AGAIN...KAISERVRBL, I apologize. - -- Thank you for allowing me to babble incessantly! Check out my store's homepage! http://www.MovieStop.com My favorite quote of the week: "Everything has been thought of before: the challenge is to think of it again." ~~ J. W. Goeth ------------------------------ From: Candy Subject: Re: more responses to more messages > there are two versions of hunger strike? Yes. They are basically the same video except that at the beginning of the original one, there's a close up of a plate with ants crawling on it. I believe the second version opens with a shot of the lighthouse. Also in the first one, Chris is shown briefly sitting under a table singing which you don't see in the other video. If there are any other differences, I can't remember what they are right now. It's been a while since I've seen either one. Candy ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Cash, Johnny I thought that lastnight's Tonight Show performance by Johnny Cash was okay, as far as emotion goes thats just the man in black for you, but still I wonder why he left out that one verse?? Later "Like gods eyes in my headlights" ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: KT & the NC incedent. i don't remember whether it was seth or aaron, but one of them told me that the dreaded heather mifflin had dropped the charges. this was, of course, the incident that founded the KTMS, and prompted the "free kim thayil" sign i brought to lolla. ;-> but, in the end, justice triumphs somehow... i have no further details, but perhaps the original source does... if aaron ever sobers up from last night (and AARON! i need a news item about last night! write me! - --caryn ------------------------------ From: "ANDRI NADZRI" Subject: Johnny Cash doin Rusty cage.... Hey.. did anyone catch the Jay leno show yesterday? johhny Cash played SG's Rusty Cage...... I didn't catch the earlier part of the show..so ...i'm not sure whether jay or Cash introduced that song as SG's song.... I thought the song was kinda...funny .. y'know...cause the signature main riff was missing... what do u guys think??? Andri - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: FERGUSJA@mala.bc.ca Subject: boot trading page i cant seem to access the boot trading page. maybe i got the url wrong... i have it down as http://members.tripod.com/~sgrdn/index.html can someone *please* set me straight!? al ------------------------------ From: "Christopher M. Farley" Subject: Re: Rusty Cage Seth, any chance of getting footage of this on the website? Chris - ---------- > From: merlin > To: SOMMS@MIT.EDU > Subject: Rusty Cage > Date: Wednesday, March 19, 1997 10:25 PM > > hey. . . > > well, i finally heard johnny cash's "rusty cage" last night on the > tonight show. it was alright... it didn't compare to the original... > but i thought he could've put a lot more feeling into it. maybe he > was having a bad night... the recorded version might be a lot > better... what does everybody else think? (everybody who's > heard it) > > and i'm finally getting mail again... but i'm missing a lot. so anybody > who sent me anything since last tuesday (i think) could you please > forward or re-send it? thanx. > > that's it for now. . . > > ~Lorraine > > > > "nothing's closing my eyes. . . . ." > > "so I drink in the shadows of an evening sky. . . . ." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: FrkShow911@aol.com Subject: SEX ....Now that I have your attention, I stumbled across...yep you guessed it. Another online SG article with...(sit back down!!! I'm not finished)...pictures. Yeah, the only catch is that there are ONLY two pictures of Kim and the rest are of...yeah, yeah, yeah, that Cornell character. BLAA!! Typical!!! Where the hell is Matt???? And who ever heard of that tall guy who plays that 4-string thingie while uncontrollably salivating?? Gimme a break. Well, if you want to check it out, feel free to stop by: http://www.jitter.com/stars/skinny/sg/ Oh yeah, and for the ones who are really in tune, Gregg Keplinger in cooperation with AYOTTE CUSTOM DRUMS ( !!!!!! ) ( you know, the tubs that Matt play ) have just released Ayotte-Keplinger stainless steel snare drums through AYOTTE CUSTOM DRUMS ( !!!!! ) By my knowledge, Matt was really the only drummer heavily using these things before this marketing attempt. Sorry but I'm shameless with the plugs! And no I don't work for AYOTTE CUSTOM DRUMS ( !!!!!!!! ) ----Al ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: messages In Re: Temple tape dated 97-03-19 12:46:09 EST, jamie c wrote: << when i bought the Temple Of The Dog tape (yes, i bought tapes back then), it had a sticker on it that said something like; "featuring member of Pearl jam and Soundgarden". Suffice to say (and I say this kinda shamefully), that's what made me buy it. .. >> here...we have a perfect exxample of what i've been trying to say....yeah...we've now established that totd did get realeased before sg's bmf and pj's ten.....BUT....some if not most of us (as ashamed as we may be of the fact) looked into it becuase we saw that it had sg and pj on it...... ****************************************************************************** ******************* ATT: SETH re those stupid chain letters from gotee1@juno.com i thought the rule was no damn chain letters?...and here we have 2 of them...what's up with that?....thanks seth..i know you're busy and all...but thanks for looking into it...please?....k....bye ****************************************************************************** ****************** In Re: LISTENING TO SOUNDGARDEN INCREASES FERTILITY dated 97-03-19 18:45:54 EST, clmiller wrote: << Interesting. Here's my take. Chris Cornell = Chocolate Chips Kim Thayil = Sugar Matt Cameron = Milk Ben Shepard = Flour Mix them together, and you get wonderfully tasty cookies. Keep them apart, and they are all still tasty (well, maybe except for the flour, but it's BEN for Christ's sake!") AND! They can each be used in other recipes with other ingredients to make equally delicious foods! (God, I'm hungry) >> heheh...that's soooo cute....good thing you made chris the cchips...cuz...mmmm...i still get to have him on his own...tee hee...well...yes...you do have a good point there....like a lot of other people did when they disagreed with what i said....but...wouldnt you rather have that delicious giant choc chip cookie than say.....a pound cake?...or a choc chip granola bar....or scrambled eggs...or bread?...get where i'm going...damn...my sweet tooths' acting up ****************************************************************************** ********************In re: more bootleg shit dated 97-03-19 19:32:19 EST, vince wrote: << Trung, if you want to go buy bootlegs, that is fine with me >> you know what?....very very good point....what the hell should it matter if we do or dont buy bootlegs.....it does matter cuz chris, ben, matt, and kim do not see a single penny of it...but you know what?...on the incredibly overpriced (but i still dish it out becuase i love them so much) stuff i have bought...they've made enough money...but me on the other hand...dont exactly have that much.....and my parents refuse to fund my soundgarden habit....so i cant dish out all the cash for all the singles...mind you i have paid a heck of a lot for every piece of sg stuff availabe to me (including totd...single's soundtrack....basket ball diaries soundtrack....etc)...but...if i can get a bootleg...who are you to tell me i'm not a true fan just cuz i dont have the cash flow you do?....maybe you who can seemingly afford what i cant (when it comes to sg..cuz otherwise parents are very kind...tee hee...) are the not so true fan cuz you dont know what a rush it is to be able to get that bootleg to help complete my collection for a hell of a lot less than if i was to do the same with store singles..not flaming anyone's idea if they think they shouldnt buy bootlegs....infact..more power to you...but dont judge me cuz i do (not that i have....but if/when i do...) ****************************************************************************** ******************** In re: tape trees explained dated 97-03-19 16:09:56 EST, steve wrote: << 99% of you have no idea what a tree is..so hopefully this will explain it. I doubt it will sink into all...but some of you may get the gist...even the rude people (you know who you are *sigh*). >> steve...you are truely a great man.....now that i know what the hell everyone's talking about....hook me up hon.....i want in..i wanna be a branch damnit..sorry guys...no good as a trunk...but i wanna do my bit and be a branch ****************************************************************************** ********************thankyou..drive thru xo ------------------------------ From: KMoran1051@aol.com Subject: XMAS Seth, I sent some Xmas Gifts to the guys at Susan Silver Mgmt,. is there any way you might be able to find out if they received them? Ok, ok, yes....I sent them Xmas gifts, but I haven't received a reply, noit that I expect one, but it would be nice. I just hope they got their gifts. I thought I would thank them for a great show here in Phx. Oh by the way Shroomy, thanks for your CC pic of the day what can I say "MMMMMM MMMMMM Delicious!!!!" You read my mind girly..... Seth , see if you can help me out there buddy. Thanks, Vikki She lived like a murder but she died, just like suicide (Hi Doc Kavorkian) HAHAHAHA! ------------------------------ From: merlin Subject: Rusty Cage hey. . . well, i finally heard johnny cash's "rusty cage" last night on the tonight show. it was alright... it didn't compare to the original... but i thought he could've put a lot more feeling into it. maybe he was having a bad night... the recorded version might be a lot better... what does everybody else think? (everybody who's heard it) and i'm finally getting mail again... but i'm missing a lot. so anybody who sent me anything since last tuesday (i think) could you please forward or re-send it? thanx. that's it for now. . . ~Lorraine "nothing's closing my eyes. . . . ." "so I drink in the shadows of an evening sky. . . . ." ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: Rusty Cage I dunno about the Tonight show version, but the studio version will appear there soon. Geoff Christopher M. Farley wrote: > > Seth, > any chance of getting footage of this on the website? > > Chris > > ---------- > > From: merlin > > To: SOMMS@MIT.EDU > > Subject: Rusty Cage > > Date: Wednesday, March 19, 1997 10:25 PM > > > > hey. . . > > > > well, i finally heard johnny cash's "rusty cage" last night on the > > tonight show. it was alright... it didn't compare to the original... > > but i thought he could've put a lot more feeling into it. maybe he > > was having a bad night... the recorded version might be a lot > > better... what does everybody else think? (everybody who's > > heard it) ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 71] ***************************************