From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 19 Mar 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:52:13 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 19 Mar 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: ev knowing aw Re: say hello 2 heaven/andy wood Re: Say hello 2 heaven/andy wood 4th of July live at Reading 95 Re: like feathers in sand... RE: soundgarden rules Re: soundgarden rules Re: like feathers in sand... Re: The Kaytrang/Taylor Bootleg Trading Post Chris-the guitarist Re: Say hello 2 heaven/andy wood Re: 4th of July live at Reading 95 Re: soundgarden rules Re: soundgarden rules Re: comin' up on your right... Re: I have to speak up in favor of.... Re: soundgarden rules Re: The Kaytrang Bootleg Trading Post I have to speak up in favor of.... Re: soundgarden rules Re: comin' up on your right... 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Re: Temple/Andrew/Matt/Real PJ History puss 'n boots Re: The Soundgarden Bootleg Trading Post Re: soundgarden rules SG/Living Colour ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Rosario Fusca Subject: ev knowing aw i heard that eddie didnt know him at all, he got a tape given to him by jack irons that had some music on it. eddie decided he liked the music so he went to seattle to form pj and worked on totd as a sot of side project. thats just what i heard though. ruth ------------------------------ Subject: Re: say hello 2 heaven/andy wood From: kalyssa@juno.com (Katie E Williams) On Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:33:07, -0500 endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) writes: > for those of you who own the mother love bone album 'thing' with >both _shine_ and _apple_ on it, you'll note that there's a song andy >wrote called "stargazer." well, as i was listening to "say hello 2 >heaven" for the 800th time the other night, i read the lyrics sheet >along with it and the line "poor stargazer/she's got no tears in her >eyes" hit me. the song by andy is about a she, and this line from >SH2H is also a 'she' line. "is there a point here?" (okay, going out on a limb here) I've never heard the song by Mother Love Bone so I may be incredibly wrong depending on what the song's about.... but the line that Chris wrote may mean something about how there isn't anyone to feel the intended emotion in the song "stargazer", ("stargazer" being the "she" in the lyrics) ... Since Andy wrote the lyrics, he's the only one that really knew what the song orignally was supposed to mean. Now that he's dead, however, the true feelings and emotions that were supposed to be expressed (the tears) can no longer fully be a part of the song. The song is more empty without Andy. Anyone else who tries to perform that song isn't going to have the real tears, or emotions, that he had. Does that make any sense? I hope I'm at least kinda on the right track. Of course I could be totally wrong and have tons of people reply back asking me what the hell I was thinking. =) ~Katie ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Re: Say hello 2 heaven/andy wood Niki wrote: >for those of you who own the mother love bone album 'thing' with >both _shine_ and _apple_ on it, you'll note that there's a song andy >wrote called "stargazer." well, as i was listening to "say hello 2 >heaven" for the 800th time the other night, i read the lyrics sheet >along with it and the line "poor stargazer/she's got no tears in her >eyes" hit me. the song by andy is about a she, and this line from >SH2H is also a 'she' line. > yeah, i'm thinking, 'is this kind of a mention of andy himself in a >song chris blatantly wrote about him, or is this just some kind of >accident (lack of better word here) that >coincidentally had a lot to do with andy's writings?' I'm pretty sure Stargazer is a reference (in both songs) to Andy's girlfriend, Xana. UKDeb ------------------------------ From: "V. Anselmo" Subject: 4th of July live at Reading 95 4th of July was played to perfection at the Reading Festival 95. Since the guys hadn't touched this song throughout their 94 tour, I was stunned and euphoric to hear it live. The festival takes place in August. Since I'm originally from New York, August conjures a feeling of stagnance and perspiration. But August at the Reading Festival provided an unusually cold and windy night, even by England standards. The show began as the sun was setting. An hour later, the beauty that is the slow building magnitude of '4th of July' was floating on the wind over the large field during the kind of cold summer night I'd always envisioned when listening to the song on my headset. It's a difficult song to offer to a large, unfamiliar crowd. (/me waves to those who experienced the song at the Showbox to contrast the moment for us). SG have only playing the song twice, to my knowledge -- once in a large field and then in a small club ...and never since. Kerrang recent asked Chris which song he's most proud of. He answered, "Oh, that's tough. 4th Of July is probably the one I'm particularly proud of, because it always felt like it was entirely my own. If a song means something to you and a whole bunch of people respond to it, then it sort of changes your idea about it. And if I think a song's really great and other people think it's shit, then I almost start liking it more because I feel like I knew something they didn't." - -Vikki :) ------------------------------ From: sknauf@HK.Super.NET Subject: Re: like feathers in sand... At 03:31 PM 3/18/97 +1000, blind dog wrote: > as much as I'd like to agree with you foxx ('t&t' is *way* cooler >than 'rhinosaur'), I have my doubts that 'rhinosaur' is going to be the >next single released from _dotu_. in fact, I don't think there will be any >more singles taken from _dotu_ at all. we've had reports of radio >stations saying "this is the hot new song from soundgarden!" in the past, >but that doesn't mean that the song in question will actually be packaged >and released in the stores. I agree with Justin, but for different reasons. I don't think 'Rhinosaur' is the next single, simply b/c the next prospective single would have been integrated in the setlist a few times, but as far as I know, SG never played that song live during their last tour (unlike bimh, butow, and pn) ... and before I leave, I'd like to congratulate our listadmin on getting over 300 000 hits on his site!! way to go! :) sabrina ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: RE: soundgarden rules I'm going to hazard a guess, after re-reading the original message that the writer meant that EV didn't do any of the WRITING for Temple, just some patched in vocals. IMHO Temple was CC, Stone and Jeff,and Matt. The original concept was CC's, am I right on that? At 04:52 PM 3/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >Then who was that guy who looked and sounded exactly like Eddie Vedder > singing backup on Hunger Strike. Must be one of those early clones. > >---------- >From: frbpollock@schoollink.com[SMTP:frbpollock@schoollink.com] >Sent: Monday, March 17, 1997 2:34 PM >To: somms@MIT.EDU >Subject: soundgarden rules > >HELLO PEOPLE VEDDER HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HUNGER STRIKE. CHRIS IS >TEMPLE OF >THE DOGG WITH EXCEPTION OF TWO SONGS. WHICH HE WROTE THE LYRICS FOR. >SO >LEAVE VEDDER OUT OF TEMPLE HE DID NOTHING ON IT. > > ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: Re: soundgarden rules If I'm recalling my Sgarden/Temple/earlier Seattle history correctly, no Eddie din't know Andy Wood. Temple was done around the time EV was joining Stone and Jeff to form PJ and got included in some aspects of the recording. Listers, is this correct? At 03:55 PM 3/17/97 -0800, you wrote: >>On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, Billy Pollock wrote: >> >>> HELLO PEOPLE VEDDER HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HUNGER STRIKE. CHRIS IS TEMPLE OF >>> THE DOGG WITH EXCEPTION OF TWO SONGS. WHICH HE WROTE THE LYRICS FOR. SO >>> LEAVE VEDDER OUT OF TEMPLE HE DID NOTHING ON IT. >> >>oh really? >>do you actually own this album? you must have never heard it, because if >>you HAD, you wouldn't make such a blatantly ignorant statement. >> >>and i suppose "times of trouble" had nothing to do with eddie, either? >but I was wondering about this statement today...does anyone know if Vedder >even 'knew' Andrew Wood? I read that some members of SG and PJ did... > > >@~^ RoseeMisst ^~@ > > ------------------------------ From: Toni M Roark Subject: Re: like feathers in sand... >blind dog wrote: > as much as I'd like to agree with you foxx ('t&t' is *way* cooler >than 'rhinosaur'), I have my doubts that 'rhinosaur' is going to be the >next single released from _dotu_. in fact, I don't think there will be any >more singles taken from _dotu_ at all. Justin, don't you think if radio stations start playing a song(Rock 103.5FM in Chicago has been playing Rhinosaur also) and it generates interest that a band would and should capitalize on it? So they spend a day or two making a new video and release the song as a single I don't think that is too farfetched. People that are not Soundgarden fanatics have different reasons for finally going out and buying DOTU. Maybe Rhinosaur might be the song that will make them do it. I'm sure Silver Management and/or A&M watch stuff like that and if there is a genuine "buzz" about a song they might release it. toni Happy Birthday Dana!!! ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: The Kaytrang/Taylor Bootleg Trading Post In a message dated 97-03-18 08:32:44 EST, you write: << Come on, at least Trung is provoking some interesting conversation rather than perpetuating topics such as hot dog cars and Ben's ass. >> Taylor, there is absolutely nothing intelligent about what Trang is doing. He is attacking Geoff for stating a point. Telling Geoff he doesn't support bootlegs "so he can run to his fucking mommy & tell her he has done a good deed" is not spawning intelligent conversation. If you want to bitch about someone attacking people for their points of view talk to Trang not me. All I'm saying is Geoff doesn't derserve that kind of horse-shit Taylor. RELAX, christ. Lance ------------------------------ From: "ANDRI NADZRI" Subject: Chris-the guitarist G'Mornin SOMMsters, i was just wonderin....does SG ussually modify the chords and arrangement for their songs when they play live?I mean,like someone in the list mentioned b4, some songs do have layers and layers of guitars on 'em. i remember reading an interview with Chris and Kim in Guitar World(i forgot what issue)where chris states that they used to built these thick wall of sound around their songs to cover up all the mistakes and stuff, but basically nowadays they're goin for the more stripped down sound. u could really hear the diff between BMF,SU and DOTU..would u ppl have that trademark"wall-of-sound" or the more stripped own SG? emm..all this stuff bout Chris the great lyricist..anyone mentioning bout Chris as a great guitarist too? Catcha l8ter.. "Black and burning sun......." Andri - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: Re: Say hello 2 heaven/andy wood In a message dated 97-03-18 03:46:45 EST, you write: << I'm pretty sure Stargazer is a reference (in both songs) to Andy's girlfriend, Xana. >> actually i think i read somewhere that that is what it was meant for....i'm not sure though...but i read somewhere that chris wrote a song on the temple cd to sorta console wood's gf xo ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: Re: 4th of July live at Reading 95 In a message dated 97-03-18 04:54:40 EST, you write: << He answered, "Oh, that's tough. 4th Of July is probably the one I'm particularly proud of, because it always felt like it was entirely my own. If a song means something to you and a whole bunch of people respond to it, then it sort of changes your idea about it. And if I think a song's really great and other people think it's shit, then I almost start liking it more because I feel like I knew something they didn't." >> that's funny considering the story behind the creation of the song eh?.....i have the little booklet of the making of the superunknown and for the little description for 4th of july the original version that cornell wrote came forth one day after he got a bit high and he was walking and kept thinking someone was following him....but then when he was "sober" he looked at it and didnt like it and completely revamped the whole thing.....so my fav song ever might not have been xo ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: Re: soundgarden rules In a message dated 97-03-18 07:47:04 EST, you write: << If I'm recalling my Sgarden/Temple/earlier Seattle history correctly, no Eddie din't know Andy Wood. Temple was done around the time EV was joining Stone and Jeff to form PJ and got included in some aspects of the recording. Listers, is this correct? >> hadn't pj already pout out ten when the temple project was put together...from what i know...the story goes that one or two memebers of pj (as well as matt cameron - but dont quote me on that one) were part of a band with wood before....and that wood was once cornell's roommate...other than that....there were no real ties with wood to anyone else....esp ev xo ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: Re: soundgarden rules In a message dated 97-03-18 08:35:41 EST, you write: << I'm going to hazard a guess, after re-reading the original message that the writer meant that EV didn't do any of the WRITING for Temple, just some patched in vocals. IMHO Temple was CC, Stone and Jeff,and Matt. The original concept was CC's, am I right on that? >> not too sure about the concept being cc's alone...but toher thatn that....exactly right xo ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: Re: comin' up on your right... In a message dated 97-03-18 08:42:29 EST, you write: << Again, I will ask if anyone has heard them play 'limo wreck' live. This is probably one of my *favorite* SG songs. I've been working on trying to play it and sing for about a year now. I don't see how anyone can keep their vocals that consistantly clear while under the demands it takes to sing that song. My vocals start to crack up near the second verse's 'harvest the gold' and I have to stop and take a drink. ;) >> is there any question that chris is a genius?....both in his writing and his vocals?...i personally think he's amazing.....true mind you that i am a bit infatuated with him...but my cousins have been into sg for as long as i can remember....and they're the ones who got me into them to begin with...so i've been "following" sg since i was about 13/14....for aprx 5-6 years....it wasnt until i was completely into cornell's depth that i actually got to see him....believe it or not...the first time i ever saw cornell was in the hunger strike video...and thus begins a teenage girl's infatuation with a superb speciman of man....other than that though....talking as a fan and someone who is genuinely in it for the music/lyrics more than anything.....no one (sorry taylor) can even come close to what chris does.....he's got amazing vocals....and i've noticed that from their earlier albums to dotu....he's progressed so much as an artist...he has a much wider range with his vocals now...as well as having raises his writing to a magnificent art form....try as hard as we may.....we will never be able to touch cornell xo ------------------------------ From: Lynne Lowe Subject: Re: I have to speak up in favor of.... I agree with Taylor and Deb. We must speak our minds even if it isn't the popular voice. I don't always agree with what I read on this list but I have to remember that everyone has their own opinions. I get to see a different point of view. We can all learn from one another... Peace, Lynne ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: Re: soundgarden rules Yeah, wasn't Temple _right_ after Ten came out? I can recall how annoyed my friend Lin was that Hunger Strike was getting so much airplay it seemed b/c EV sang on it, and so it was like they were trying to ride on PJ's coattails INSTEAD of going on the strength of CC's vocals and the project itself. Yes, Stone and Jeff were in Mother Love Bone w/ Andy, and yes, Andy was CC's roomie for a while, which is one reason Andy's death hit Chris so hard. And I'd have to say those were pretty strong ties! The Seattle music scene is very much "incestuous" w/ everyone knowing everyone else and being friends. EV didn't know Andy, so I remain clueless to this day why he was brought in on the project unless it WAS to cash in on PJ's early success. What's anyone's take on that? later....deb At 10:22 AM 3/18/97 -0500, you wrote: >hadn't pj already pout out ten when the temple project was put >together...from what i know...the story goes that one or two memebers of pj >(as well as matt cameron - but dont quote me on that one) were part of a band >with wood before....and that wood was once cornell's roommate...other than >that....there were no real ties with wood to anyone else....esp ev >xo > > > ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: Re: The Kaytrang Bootleg Trading Post KAISERVRBL@aol.com wrote: > > << But do you really think that > Chris, when counting his millions or speeding in his Porshe, really cares > whether or not I buy FDR? Give me a fucking break. I am the one buying > his albums, etc. The only reason you adhere to this principle of not > getting boots Geoff is so you can walk into the kitchen and tell Mommy > that you did something good today. >> > > Seth, > > You kicked him off once. Why do you keep letting him back? > > Geoff, ignore him he's an ass. > > Lance What are we going to kick off everyone who does'nt share the same views as us? Come on, at least Trung is provoking some interesting conversation rather than perpetuating topics such as hot dog cars and Ben's ass. For christ sake, at least we've got someone who will stand up and speak their opinion like an individual, instead of molding their views to please popular list philosophy. We're in need for some good fucking intelligent debates... why can't you folks argue you're point without getting pissed off or attacking people as you make your point? Geez... Later, Taylor - -- D. Taylor Holmes Senior Quality Assurance Analyst, Automated Test Coordinator Datastream Systems Software, Inc. home: holmest@netdepot.com work: holmest@dstm.com ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: I have to speak up in favor of.... I also have to speak up for Trung. There's absolutely NO REASON why people on this list can't voice their own opinions! How boring it would be if we all had the exact same thoughts, views and opinions! Then there'd be no reason to even have this list. As far as I can tell, the USA is still a free country and we still have freedom of speech. There's a growing attitude on this list that I find disturbing--We can't have opinions that are contrary to either certain people's opinions or that may be different from a concensus of people on the list. Why? I have to agree with Taylor that at least Trung is giving us some interesting thoughts on things other than why Chris and Susan were at the Grammys and who could beat who in a fight and what kind of car Chris drives. Along those lines, I also add my vote to Trung's about the RS article on EV. What IF it was true, that EV IS a controlling, scheming person? Everyone who's pissed off about that article has to remember EV had the chance to give an interview and turned it down. So being reputed journalists, they set out to find out what kind of person he is, and maybe give some insight as to why he turned them down and into some of the ills of PJ. I don't like EV, I've heard too much about how he's running PJ (which imho is not his band but jeff and stone's) and maybe it's time PJ fans see him as he really is. So to further agree w/ Taylor...why is it the list has a tendency to jump all over people who voice an opposing view? What's wrong w/ having some debates and HEARING OUT EACH OTHER before names are called and flames are thrown???? Frankly I find some of these debates that are slightly off Sgarden to be very thought provoking, sometimes better than some of the Sgarden chatter! later.....deb >What are we going to kick off everyone who does'nt share the same views >as us? Come on, at least Trung is provoking some interesting >conversation rather than perpetuating topics such as hot dog cars and >Ben's ass. For christ sake, at least we've got someone who will stand >up and speak their opinion like an individual, instead of molding their >views to please popular list philosophy. We're in need for some good >fucking intelligent debates... why can't you folks argue you're point >without getting pissed off or attacking people as you make your point? >Geez... > >Later, Taylor > >-- >D. Taylor Holmes >Senior Quality Assurance Analyst, Automated Test Coordinator >Datastream Systems Software, Inc. >home: holmest@netdepot.com >work: holmest@dstm.com > ------------------------------ Subject: Re: soundgarden rules From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >EV didn't know Andy, so I remain clueless to this day why he was brought in >on the project unless it WAS to cash in on PJ's early success. What's >anyone's take on that? >later....deb As you said Deb the Seattle music crowd is very tight - one may figure that when EV and Pearl Jam had started to take off that Chris and Eddie had already become friends. When Chris was putting the album together I'm sure he just wanted to get the right sounds from the right people on it. My guess would be he just knew his and Eddie voice would be the correct sound for Hunger Strike. This is one CD that I never felt Chris and the other who played on it were looking for any success or acclamation. I have always felt it was truly a labor of love and loss. Surprisingly it has always been my feeling that ToTD is some of Chris's best work.. The music for ToTD is completely emotional and done with adoration for a loss friend.. But then that is just IMHO... Now as far as the video for Hunger Strike goes now there I would say maybe someone at the management level pushed for this song because of Pearl Jams fame... Jamie (Village Idiot/SOMMs Mom) ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: Re: comin' up on your right... blind dog wrote: > > just out of interest, are there many soundgarden songs (other than > b-sides) that *haven't* been performed live at some time? Again, I will ask if anyone has heard them play 'limo wreck' live. This is probably one of my *favorite* SG songs. I've been working on trying to play it and sing for about a year now. I don't see how anyone can keep their vocals that consistantly clear while under the demands it takes to sing that song. My vocals start to crack up near the second verse's 'harvest the gold' and I have to stop and take a drink. ;) Later, Taylor - -- D. Taylor Holmes Senior Quality Assurance Analyst, Automated Test Coordinator Datastream Systems Software, Inc. home: holmest@netdepot.com work: holmest@dstm.com ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: Re: soundgarden rules In a message dated 97-03-18 11:19:28 EST, you write: << Yeah, wasn't Temple _right_ after Ten came out? I can recall how annoyed my friend Lin was that Hunger Strike was getting so much airplay it seemed b/c EV sang on it, and so it was like they were trying to ride on PJ's coattails INSTEAD of going on the strength of CC's vocals and the project itself. Yes, Stone and Jeff were in Mother Love Bone w/ Andy, and yes, Andy was CC's roomie for a while, which is one reason Andy's death hit Chris so hard. And I'd have to say those were pretty strong ties! The Seattle music scene is very much "incestuous" w/ everyone knowing everyone else and being friends. EV didn't know Andy, so I remain clueless to this day why he was brought in on the project unless it WAS to cash in on PJ's early success. What's anyone's take on that? >> ok...one thing i'm not very proud to admit being a huge soundgarden fan....see...the first time (like i mentioned before) i ever saw chris was in the hunger strike video..and i would've passed by it had i not cought a glimpse of ev....i knew who ev was cuz when they came out with ten i got really into it...loved the songs...and saw a few videos and stuff...so i knew who he was...cornell on the other hand i didnt know...so i watched the video...thought the guy singing along side vedder (oooh how i shudder at that now.....it's soooo wrong..it's ev singing alongside cc..not the way i originally thought it)...was gorgeous....and an amazing singer....and thought i knew him from somewhere...it wasnt until later when i was looking at the cover of my bmf cd that i saw those gorgeous locks of cc's and realized duh...that was cornell.....but as we were saying....i think pretty much with the huge hype and response behind ten that that wasprobably the main reason why ev was brought into it xo ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: Re: ev knowing aw Rosario Fusca wrote: > > i heard that eddie didnt know him at all, he got a tape given to him by > jack irons that had some music on it. eddie decided he liked the music > so he went to seattle to form pj and worked on totd as a sot of side > project. thats just what i heard though. ruth This belongs on the Pearl Jam list. Later, Taylor - -I swear I'm not an apple - -- D. Taylor Holmes Senior Quality Assurance Analyst, Automated Test Coordinator Datastream Systems Software, Inc. home: holmest@netdepot.com work: holmest@dstm.com ------------------------------ From: Rebekah Henderson Subject: Club Lingerie I'm with Mind Riot. I'd love to have a copy of the Club Lingerie boot too. :) There's no way I can reproduce video boots (at least not until I can get my hands on another VCR. whenever that will be), but I can reproduce audio and I'm on the newbie list, so somebody please help a poor newbie out! :) May Soundgarden be with you. Rebekah ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Dunn" Subject: Temple/Andrew/Matt/Real PJ History Little bit of PJ history. (because PJ's start is actually a strange part of Soundgarden's history) > hadn't pj already pout out ten when the temple project was put > together...from what i know...the story goes that one or two memebers of pj > (as well as matt cameron - but dont quote me on that one) were part of a band > with wood before....and that wood was once cornell's roommate...other than > that....there were no real ties with wood to anyone else....esp ev > xo In Loser it states that Pearl Jam got together and after the first week or rehersal they played at the Off Ramp. The first show was taped (10/22/90) So I would suspect that Jack gave Eddie the tape sometime in September or early October. If Eddie wanted to be Andrew's friend then he would have been too late. I would be interested to see who is actually on that tape of the first show (Dave or Matt). But the way I understood it is Stone, Jeff and Mike borrowed Matt to record the demo and that by the time it had circulated down to Eddie, Dave Krusen had stepped in. This doesn't mean that Eddie hadn't seen MLB in concert before, been a fan before, nothing. I'm pretty certain Eddie was well aware of the scene, being that seems to be a very long term fan of bands like the Fastbacks. But no, Andy did not know Eddie personally from what anybody printed. Obviously sitting around the fire and hearing stories about Andrew with Cornell, Ament, and Gossard probably brought him closer to the 'legend' of Andrew Wood than most fans get, and with the sudden success of Ten probably started to understand the problems of what Andrew was going through. Obviously Eddie grasps and appreciates the fact that he was in the right place at the right time. Cornell has said in multiple interviews that he was just kinda there recording with Temple and since he has a good voice they let him come in. Unfortnately I think people ask Chris about Temple of the Dog (and the connection to Pearl Jam) so much I'm beginning to think he wished he never did it by the tone in the last couple articles I've seen =). Every time I hear a PJ question during a Soundgarden article I cringe. But what's little known is the truth in the rumor than Matt Cameron helped put together the demo tape which lurred Eddie to Seattle or the demo tapes which sprung up during the first week or two. Loser states that he was there, but which tape? It's kind of interesting though, because I've heard the tape that's the most likely one and I have to say that it's not too good. It's interesting, but it's pretty weird. Matt is the best drummer, but would have never fit into Pearl Jam anyways. - -Andrew ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: Re: comin' up on your right... Taylor Holmes wrote: > Again, I will ask if anyone has heard them play 'limo wreck' live. This > is probably one of my *favorite* SG songs. I've been working on trying > to play it and sing for about a year now. I don't see how anyone can > keep their vocals that consistantly clear while under the demands it > takes to sing that song. My vocals start to crack up near the second > verse's 'harvest the gold' and I have to stop and take a drink. ;) > > Later, Taylor Umm... Taylor, why don't you take advantage of a great informational web site and educate yourself before you post, you moron... PUSH 03/23/94 Label: Metal Crash Venue: Sentrum Scene in Oslo, Norway Time: 104:45 Sound: B Disc 2: 10. Limo Wreck Later, Taylor - -You've never really lived until you've flamed yourself. - -- D. Taylor Holmes Senior Quality Assurance Analyst, Automated Test Coordinator Datastream Systems Software, Inc. home: holmest@netdepot.com work: holmest@dstm.com ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: The Kaytrang Bootleg Trading Post On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Taylor Holmes wrote: > KAISERVRBL@aol.com wrote: > > > > << But do you really think that > > Chris, when counting his millions or speeding in his Porshe, really cares > > whether or not I buy FDR? Give me a fucking break. I am the one buying > > his albums, etc. The only reason you adhere to this principle of not > > getting boots Geoff is so you can walk into the kitchen and tell Mommy > > that you did something good today. >> > > > > Seth, > > > > You kicked him off once. Why do you keep letting him back? > > > > Geoff, ignore him he's an ass. > > > > Lance > > What are we going to kick off everyone who does'nt share the same views > as us? Come on, at least Trung is provoking some interesting > conversation rather than perpetuating topics such as hot dog cars and > Ben's ass. hot dog cars was an attempt to stop the stupid, mindless "*i* know what kind of car chris drives!" "no, *I* know what kind of car chris drives!" "no, you're ALL wrong, only *I* know what kind of car chris drives!" posts, and to interject a little humor into the list, which has been sadly lacking. > For christ sake, at least we've got someone who will stand > up and speak their opinion like an individual, instead of molding their > views to please popular list philosophy. so far, ever time mr. trang has posted, it's been to rile people up. that's why he got kicked the first time. the ev vs. rs post was pointless. > We're in need for some good > fucking intelligent debates... why can't you folks argue you're point > without getting pissed off or attacking people as you make your point? > Geez... ...and if i may point out, geoff did that; but mr. trang responded by attacking him, not the other way around. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Joe Cennamo Subject: Re: Rhinosaur On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Foxx Watkins wrote: > hey guys I'm new on the list but so far i'm am enjoying it a lot. > I wanted of comment on soundgarden's release of Rhinosaur. My radio station > that i listen to has been playing it a month now. It's a great song > (warning what I'm about to say may be considered blasphhemy by some > sommsters) but i believe that tighter and tighter could have did for DOTU > what my wave did for superunknown. I think that tighter and tighter will be released as a single eventually. Superunknown had 5 singles and DOTUS could easy have that if not more.. I was at concert Friday and the dj's played tighter and tighter between bands. Normally they only play singles, so it's robably been planned for release. joec ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: soundgarden rules On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Mercyhurst Prep Library wrote: > Yeah, wasn't Temple _right_ after Ten came out? I can recall how annoyed my > friend Lin was that Hunger Strike was getting so much airplay it seemed b/c > EV sang on it, and so it was like they were trying to ride on PJ's coattails > INSTEAD of going on the strength of CC's vocals and the project itself. > Yes, Stone and Jeff were in Mother Love Bone w/ Andy, and yes, Andy was CC's > roomie for a while, which is one reason Andy's death hit Chris so hard. And > I'd have to say those were pretty strong ties! The Seattle music scene is > very much "incestuous" w/ everyone knowing everyone else and being friends. > EV didn't know Andy, so I remain clueless to this day why he was brought in > on the project unless it WAS to cash in on PJ's early success. What's > anyone's take on that? > later....deb eddie had come up to seattle and was hanging around, and thus was INVITED by the temple members to participate in the recording. remember, totd was a one off created in tribute to a dead friend; it was never meant to be a commercial success and it wasn't when it was first released. there wasn't even a video. then, sg and pj began to skyrocket in popularity and A&M (not totd, not pj, not vedder, jesus, you people have such prejudices) decided to re-release and promote totd in order to capitalize on the success of both of those bands. again: totd was already recorded and released. eddie wasn't brought in by anyone because why they were recording it he was still no one, just this surfer dude from san diego who had just joined this new band, mookie blaylock. no one in the band made the decision to do this; the record company did. (and yes, the record company can choose to do whatever it wants to to promote an album; they cannot force the artists to participate, but they can decide to start pushing something again) remember, temple was chris and stone and jeff for the most part; do you think anyone could have made them include vedder if they didn't want to? if eddie was as talentless as some of you make him out to be, why would they invite him to participate? again, he was NO ONE at the time... pearl jam were no one at the time... please, pearl jam bashing to the usual address. let's keep it off here. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Temple/Andrew/Matt/Real PJ History On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Andrew Dunn wrote: > Little bit of PJ history. (because PJ's start is actually a strange part > of Soundgarden's history) > Cornell has said in multiple interviews that he was just kinda there > recording with Temple and since he has a good voice they let him come in. > Unfortnately I think people ask Chris about Temple of the Dog (and the > connection to Pearl Jam) so much I'm beginning to think he wished he never > did it by the tone in the last couple articles I've seen =). Every time I > hear a PJ question during a Soundgarden article I cringe. ...and every time i see pj being discussed on this list, i cringe, for that reason. > But what's little known is the truth in the rumor than Matt Cameron helped > put together the demo tape which lurred Eddie to Seattle or the demo tapes > which sprung up during the first week or two. > > Loser states that he was there, but which tape? It's kind of interesting > though, because I've heard the tape that's the most likely one and I have > to say that it's not too good. It's interesting, but it's pretty weird. > Matt is the best drummer, but would have never fit into Pearl Jam anyways. well, we know for sure he was on it, because he told me and chris when we gave him a copy of the video of the ONLY full totd performance (without eddie, by the way -- he was moving his stuff up to seattle at the time) when we met him at the hater show, he confirmed that not only was he the drummer on the demos, but that stone had never given him a copy. nd, it is so obvious (to me anyway) that that is matt cameron on the mammasan tapes -- and he did confirm that he was on the tape that they *sent* to eddie, and that he was on one of the 'ten' demos (that explains why there are TWO....) if any of you want more chronology, you can look at five horizons' concert chronology at http://www1.ixa.net/horizons/tour/cc/ -- but this is straying into pearl jam discussion territory and thus has no place on this list (especially since once again it's degenerating into 'this band sucks, soundgarden are SO much better', and people who know NOTHING about the internal workings of pearl jam pontificating in the air [no, i don't either, but you don't see me making grandiose statements about eddie vedder being an asshole, now do you]) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Andrea Subject: Re: stole a thousand beggar's chains.. From: Vince Varkey Subject: stole a thousand beggar's chains.. I got this cool SG video boot the other day. It was from their Superunknown tour of 1994. It was really neat to see them play songs that they don't play now, like Mailman, Head Down, and Like Suicide. It was also cool to see Chris be able to hit every note, like it was nothing, which was so unlike many of the DOTU shows. I envy anyone who went to see them in 1994. So my question is this: Do you all think that SG played better on their Superunknown tour or their Down on the Upside 1996 tour? Not an easy question but I would love to see what you all think. How *do* they compare to tours they have had in the past? - - -vince Vince, First of all, where did you get the boot? I'd love a copy. As far as which tour they played better on, I think it's hard to say. The venue they played at in LA for the Superunknown tour SUCKED!!! It was actually a boxing ring! The sound was awful, Ben was pissed off the whole show, my seats weren't that great, etc. So although I was happy as hell to see them I wouldn't call it a great show. On the other hand, when I saw them last December, the venue was great with good sound, my seats were cool, Ben was behaving and they all seemed to be having a pretty good time. Chris' voice was obviously not as strong as it was in '94 and they played more of my favorite songs then as well, but I'd have to say that the '96 show was the better one for me. So I guess what I'm getting at is that there are so many factors that go into whether or not an person thinks they played better on one tour or another. Maybe those that went to a few shows on each tour would be better equipped to answer that question than I. - --andrea ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: Re: I have to speak up in favor of.... In a message dated 97-03-18 12:00:34 EST, you write: << So to further agree w/ Taylor...why is it the list has a tendency to jump all over people who voice an opposing view? What's wrong w/ having some debates and HEARING OUT EACH OTHER before names are called and flames are thrown???? Frankly I find some of these debates that are slightly off Sgarden to be very thought provoking, sometimes better than some of the Sgarden chatter! >> to add to that...there's only so much that can be said about sg without going a bit beyond the 5 (counting susan) members of the band.....there's other factors influencing them and the music than just the world that revolves around them...true we may all be avid sg fans...but come on...can we not expand our horizons just a tad bit? xo ------------------------------ From: Rita Bonofiglio Subject: Re: soundgarden rules On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 KSingh2349@aol.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:25:05 -0500 (EST) > From: KSingh2349@aol.com > To: somms@MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: soundgarden rules > > In a message dated 97-03-18 08:35:41 EST, you write: > > << I'm going to hazard a guess, after re-reading the original message that > the > writer meant that EV didn't do any of the WRITING for Temple, just some > patched in vocals. IMHO Temple was CC, Stone and Jeff,and Matt. The > original concept was CC's, am I right on that? > >> > > > > not too sure about the concept being cc's alone...but toher thatn > that....exactly right > xo > straight from jeff ament's mouth "chris wrote two amazing songs about andy (say hello to heaven and reach down) and asked stone and jeff and matt 2 record them"...so i guess that means it was chris' original idea - -----rita b. ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: Re: Temple/Andrew/Matt/Real PJ History In a message dated 97-03-18 12:07:03 EST, you write: << (Dave or Matt). But the way I understood it is Stone, Jeff and Mike borrowed Matt to record the demo and that by the time it had circulated down to Eddie, Dave Krusen had stepped in. >> so then i was right?..matt was a one point (albeit veryvery shortlived) some part of the whole pj thing? <> i honestly wish that they'd (the media) start to differentiate between the seattle bands already...yeah they come from the same city....yeah they all "came out" at relatively the same time....but i wish they'd just get over that already and see each band as a seperate entity <> ok....i knew i heard it somewhere and it was right...weeeeeee <> it's the chemistry of all four of them that makes them so good....put matt and ben and kim and chris all in seperate bands.....and mind you...due to their success now they may do well at first....but in the long run they will probably end up failing....cuz well...they work great together....but apart they're not as good as the whole...what's the saying?...united we stand devided we fall? xo ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: Re: soundgarden rules In a message dated 97-03-18 12:17:08 EST, you write: << remember, temple was chris and stone and jeff for the most part; do you think anyone could have made them include vedder if they didn't want to? if eddie was as talentless as some of you make him out to be, why would they invite him to participate? again, he was NO ONE at the time... pearl jam were no one at the time... >> i dont think anyone said that ev is/was talentless...on the contrary..i believe he's great.....as for the rest of the message....let's just face it...all of us out here in soundgardenland know bits and pieces of the different stories....so we post what we think is right...or atleast what we've been told (like my post about 4th of july being layerd and thus them not being able to sing it....whereas i'm wrong...bhs for instance was layered among many others and yet it sounds great live...so i backed down from that stance...cuz i was told the right thing).....but we just share what (little) we know.....and if someone else has better info....that disproves the first person...then let's not stick it to them.....just say your bit...but dont bash the other person xo ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: just a q? In a message dated 97-03-18 12:31:06 EST, you write: << Andrew Dunn >> i'm sorry guys...this a bit (waaaaaaaaaaaaaay) off....but why does that name seem so incredibly familiar to me..... xo ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: re: soundgarden rule In a message dated 97-03-18 13:07:46 EST, you write: << straight from jeff ament's mouth "chris wrote two amazing songs about andy (say hello to heaven and reach down) and asked stone and jeff and matt 2 record them"...so i guess that means it was chris' original idea >> again..i say thanks for the info..i just posted what i knew to be true...but even still..chris started off by writing two songs about a freind of his....but who's to say that the totd collaboration wasnt a collective idea?......he may have sparked the idea...but maybe the original idea came from ament or gossard himself?....just my two cents xo ------------------------------ From: "Cornholio" Subject: Re: Burden in my Hand UK Import > Date sent: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 21:42:05 -0600 > From: Kathie and David > Send reply to: oponfam@cnsnet.com > To: Soundgarden Mailing List > Subject: Burden in my Hand UK Import > Hi again. I just got a wonderful surprise and I wanted to share. I > discovered the Burden in my Hand single on my pillow after I put the > kids to bed tonight. It was a surprise from my hubby. Its been a long > time since I got an Import and I'm thrilled! I wanted to ask a question > about the CD though. It has a sticker on the front that says Limited > Edition Collectors Slip Box with Free Poster. I can't find a number on > it or any info (I could just not be looking in the right place). I > looked on the web page, but I don't know where this one fits in. It > doesn't say anything about being a "club promo", but it does say its a > limited edition. Does anyone know how limited it is? Thanks. It is in a > box, with a poster and says Part 2 of a 2 CD set. > > Kathie > Yeah, I got that too.. It's pretty cool...it has a CC interview with the single. But there's always a chance on the CD there is a serial number. I gotta check when I get home though. I got the poster up in my room...along with my other crappy SG DOTU poster. I can't seem to find any SG posters in any Southern Ontario stores....and it kinda sucks when all these low lame zines got small SG posters...damn Live wire...... Corny Fish heads, Fish heads, Roly Poly Fish heads, Fish heads. Fish heads, Eat them up, YUM! - -Barnes & Barnes "I love ya baby!"--665 by Soundgarden (reversed) ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: what does it mean? Hello all, I have always wondered what this means exactly. "You make me hate I make music". I see on BMF it was "You make me sick I make music" or "In one ear out your mother" (that one's ok). Basically, it could be anything they want it to be called, this trademark or whatever you call it. So, why do you spose he chose to call it the first one I mentioned? Who makes him hate he hates music? Me? You? Us? Who? I think fame probably makes him hate he makes music. I would hate fame too. Come on, anyone. Give me some feedback! If youve already covered this before last year or something, sorry. Thanks, Carol ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: Re: ev knowing aw >Rosario Fusca wrote: >> >> i heard that eddie didnt know him at all, he got a tape given to him by >> jack irons that had some music on it. eddie decided he liked the music >> so he went to seattle to form pj and worked on totd as a sot of side >> project. thats just what i heard though. ruth > > >This belongs on the Pearl Jam list. > >Later, Taylor > >-I swear I'm not an apple > Actually, it's a TOTD response--which is related to Chris Cornell question! @~^ RoseeMisst ^~@ ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: correction of my previous post fu*k up, sorry =) >>Who makes him hate he hates music? Me? You? Us? Who?<< that is: Who makes him hate he MAKES music! Dam I screwed that up! You knew what I meant anyhow, right? Carol =) ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: just a q? On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 KSingh2349@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-03-18 12:31:06 EST, you write: > > << Andrew Dunn >> > > > i'm sorry guys...this a bit (waaaaaaaaaaaaaay) off....but why does that name > seem so incredibly familiar to me..... not off at all; in fact, dead *on*. andy dunn is one of the best knowledge sources out there regarding the history of pearl jam -- ask any pj fan on the net. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: re: soundgarden rule On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 KSingh2349@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-03-18 13:07:46 EST, you write: > > << straight from jeff ament's mouth "chris wrote two amazing songs about andy > (say hello to heaven and reach down) and asked stone and jeff and matt 2 > record them"...so i guess that means it was chris' original idea >> > > > again..i say thanks for the info..i just posted what i knew to be true...but > even still..chris started off by writing two songs about a freind of > his....but who's to say that the totd collaboration wasnt a collective > idea?......he may have sparked the idea...but maybe the original idea came > from ament or gossard himself?....just my two cents i personally believe it was chris' idea. this is just my impression, based on what i have heard over the years... that chris took it particularly hard, being that andy wood was a former roommate of his. that doesn't mean that stone and jeff didn't take the loss of their bandmate hard.. but from what i understand, chris chose to deal with his grief by writing, and when he had a bunch of songs he turned to stone and jeff to ask them they wanted to do something with him... which turned into totd... there was not yet a formal pj or mookie yet, which is why they turned to matt as the drummer (then again, isn't the quote that every band in seattle wanted matt cameron as their drummer? ;-) ) of course, i don't really know... none of us can really know, unless we engaged the relevant parties in a lengthy discussion... you can't even take interviews as gospel because the guys are human, after all, and don't have perfect memories.... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: 4th of July live at Reading 95 first of all, vikki, *thank you* for this AMAZING post! ;-> On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, V. Anselmo wrote: > 4th of July was played to perfection at the Reading Festival 95. Since > the guys hadn't touched this song throughout their 94 tour, I was stunned > and euphoric to hear it live. The festival takes place in August. Since > I'm originally from New York, August conjures a feeling of stagnance and > perspiration. But August at the Reading Festival provided an unusually > cold and windy night, even by England standards. The show began as the > sun was setting. An hour later, the beauty that is the slow building > magnitude of '4th of July' was floating on the wind over the large field > during the kind of cold summer night I'd always envisioned when listening > to the song on my headset. It's a difficult song to offer to a large, > unfamiliar crowd. i'd even argue that it's a difficult song to offer live, period. not because of the vocals, or any studio trickery or what have you -- just because of the depth and the feeling. hard to duplicate that, hard to even TRY to duplicate that... > (/me waves to those who experienced the song at the > Showbox to contrast the moment for us) heh... all i remember is total, utter SHOCK... not that i have setlists memorized, and we don't have a sg concert chronology (yet! ;-> /me waves at the relevant party... i'm workin' on it, okay? :->), but i knew that '4th of july' was not exactly in the sg top ten of live songs... and also just instinctively knew, if you will, that this song is not a live one, for the reasons i mentioned above... <. SG have only playing the song > twice, to my knowledge -- once in a large field and then in a small club > ....and never since. Kerrang recent asked Chris which song he's most proud > of. He answered, "Oh, that's tough. 4th Of July is probably the one I'm > particularly proud of, because it always felt like it was entirely my own. > If a song means something to you and a whole bunch of people respond to > it, then it sort of changes your idea about it. And if I think a song's > really great and other people think it's shit, then I almost start liking > it more because I feel like I knew something they didn't." with that in mind, i wonder what chris *feels* when he performs it? perhaps that is another factor that dissuades them from trying to perform it often. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Jaime Gonzalez Subject: Re: what does it mean? Carol,I think it means that the Music Industry makes him sick that he makes music.I am generalizing of course.It is full of business types who are really only interested in making money and don't give a rats ass about art or music or self expression. Certain aspects of fame could also be rather undesirable,such as losing your privacy,the scrutiny of everything you do by the media and the public. Anyways,"You make me sick I make music" is the name of his publishing co. and it is with this mechanism that his royalties are paid to him any time one of his songs on which he has music and,or lyrics credits. is played on the radio,soundtrack,album,or for the sale of sheet music,performance royalties,too.It get pretty complicated so I am not going there now. At 01:51 PM 3/18/97 -0500, you wrote: >I see on BMF it was "You make me sick I make music" or "In one ear >out your mother" (that one's ok). > whatever you call it.So, why do you >spose he chose to call it the first one I mentioned? Who makes him Sick he >hates music? Me? You? Us? Who? > >I think fame probably makes him hate he makes music. I would hate fame too. > >Come on, anyone. Give me some feedback! >If youve already covered this before last year or something, sorry. > >Thanks, > >Carol > > > Jaime Gonzalez Computer Repair Technician JGG@pilot.msu.edu Engineering Services 505 Computer Center 353-5266 Michigan State University FAX:517/3536506 ------------------------------ From: Trung Tran Subject: Re: The Bootleg Trading Post Taylor wrote: > > What are we going to do, kick off everyone who doesn't share the same > > views as us? Come on, at least Trung is provoking some interesting > > conversation rather than perpetuating topics such as hot dog cars and > > Ben's ass. > > For christ sake, at least we've got someone who will stand > > up and speak their opinion like an individual, instead of molding their > > views to please popular list philosophy. Then Caryn wrote: > so far, ever time mr. trang has posted, it's been to rile people up. > that's why he got kicked the first time. the ev vs. rs post was > pointless. Says who? I personally did have a point when I posted that Eddie Vedder/ RS thing. And apparently some reasonable people agreed. Taylor goes on to say.. > > We're in need for some good > > fucking intelligent debates... why can't you folks argue you're point > > without getting pissed off or attacking people as you make your point? > > Geez... Caryn: > ...and if i may point out, geoff did that; but mr. trang responded by > attacking him, not the other way around. Actually Geoff started it. Reread his original reply to my EV/RS post and you will see. But hey I am man enough to realize my mistake. Geoff, I am sorry about that snide "Mommy" comment. But when you said that I wasn't a true SG fan because I bought FDR, what did you expect me to do..just sit here and take it? You riled me up,my friend, and I posted out of emotion. I should have relaxed..hypertension shouldn't be a side effect from joining this fine list. I don't think you realize how offending that statement was. Who are you to say that? I still take tremendous offense to that statement. No one needs to be calling anyone an untrue fan on here. Look, we are obviously at an impasse. You believe that if you buy a SG bootleg, then you are not a true fan. I disagree. I feel that you can be a true SG fan even if you purchase a boot. But you better realize something Geoff. If you are calling me an untrue fan, you are calling a lot of us on this list untrue fans because many of them have done the *exact* same thing that I did. And to all the members of somms, what do you think? Is Geoff right? Am I any less of a fan because I just happened to buy a CD SG boot? What do *you* think.. - -Trung Tran ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Re: what does it mean? >At 01:51 PM 3/18/97 -0500, Carol wrote: >>I see on BMF it was "You make me sick I make music" or "In one ear >>out your mother" (that one's ok). >> whatever you call it.So, why do you >>spose he chose to call it the first one I mentioned? Who makes him Sick he >>hates music? Me? You? Us? Who? At 03:56 PM 3/18/97 -0500, Jaime Gonzalez wrote: >Carol,I think it means that the Music Industry makes him sick that he >makes music.I am generalizing of course.It is full of business types >who are really only interested in making money and don't give a rats ass >about art or music or self expression. I think you guys are reading too much into a fun play on words. It helps if you read it out loud and pronounce it like this: "You make me sick, I make myou-sick" I don't think Chris meant anything personal by it. :) Nate ------------------------------ From: Rita Bonofiglio Subject: Re: Temple/Andrew/Matt/Real PJ History > > it's the chemistry of all four of them that makes them so good....put matt > and ben and kim and chris all in seperate bands.....and mind you...due to > their success now they may do well at first....but in the long run they will > probably end up failing....cuz well...they work great together....but apart > they're not as good as the whole...what's the saying?...united we stand > devided we fall? > xo > i have to severely disagree with you there, they may work well together, but don't underestimate the talent that these guys have individually! - -----rita b. ------------------------------ From: Shanon M Cousland Subject: Re: Rhinosaur Yep. I gotta agree, Rhinosaur is good, but I've been praying for Tighter and Tighter to make the singles' list for quite some time. Since it came out, even. It is, to me, one of the greatest songs in existence. I don't know what else to say except that it was influence enough for me to (I don't expect you sommsters to condone this) overlay the graffiti in my park with the entire set of lyrics to the song. Milwaukee will not approve, but I'm way to tired of the Rap Crap that exists in an unneccessary-violence-filled community. And to add to it, I also would like to see or hear a live version of Limo Wreck. Many a time has it put me to a soothing standstill parallel only to the mood created from a sizzling pyre. OK, poetic I am, but lo and behold, it was Soundgarden that did it for me. Oh, if I did have the band's number, I'd want to talk to Kim. I don't care if he'd kick the crap out of me, I'd want to at least talk to him once and see who he is. I also, am a Philosophy major. Little old me, signing off... "Beneath another shovelload," -Setzer ][ ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: a whole bunch of diff message responses In re: soundgarden rule dated 97-03-18 15:16:56 EST, caryn rose writes: << (then again, isn't the quote that every band in seattle wanted matt cameron as their drummer? ;-) ) of course, i don't really know... none of us can really know, unless we engaged the relevant parties in a lengthy discussion... you can't even take interviews as gospel because the guys are human, after all, and don't have perfect memories.... >> well...why wouldnt everyone want matt though...he's amazing...but then again...as i said in an earlier post....you're only as good as the people you're with (take...sorry to bring this in...gilmour/ellet for example..everyone thinks they're playing wiketly since their trade to nj...but it's only cuz the guys on the ice are better - man i hate to admit this being a leafs fan and all - than the leafs)......and as for the whole truth behind the totd thing....let's just face it....it was cornell/gossard/ament....vedder was brought in..he didnt take over and he did add a lot to it (even if it was only on like 1 or 2 songs) even if he never knew wood...... ****************************************************************************** ******************** In Re: Ten and Temple of the dog dated 97-03-18 15:16:56 EST, dave writes: <> wow...man my sources are sooo wrong....but i guess in a sense i was right too...when a&m decided to "re-release" totd...they did so to capitalize on the fame that (sg and) pj were having.....and like i said...i'm a sg fan first....and i do enjoy pj..but had it not been for vedder's face across hunger strike....i wouldnt have cought my first glimpse of cornell ****************************************************************************** ******************** In re: soundgarden rule dated 97-03-18 16:31:32 EST, Rita Bonofiglio write: << no matter who or what started anything, i still miss andy wood =( >> honestly...i never heard anything of andy's...nor do i know anything about him....sorry guys.....just letting you know ****************************************************************************** ******************** alright...well i hope you guys like this new method of my responses....i realized that maybe i was taking up too much room with too many posts...sorry guys for the inconvienience..... xo ------------------------------ From: SJordet@aol.com Subject: Re: what does it mean? Carol wrote: >I have always wondered what this meant exactly. "You Make Me Sick I Make Music.> I believe the somewhat of an answer (or Chris' explanation) for this is on an eight or nine minute interview on the second BIMH single. This is pretty much what Chris said about it: "...Kim's (publishing title) I like is 'In One Ear and Out Your Mother'. Kim and I actually got into a contest to see who could come up with the most ridiculous publishing title. The thing I like about it the most is when other bands do covers of my songs, you see on their album jacket the title 'You Make Me Sick, I Make Music.'" Not the real answer to your question, but at least it's some kind of input. ;) Taylor wrote: I wouldn't exactly call Trung's comments interesting - I think "insulting" would fit the description better. Okay, I'll admit that you don't have to be Kim to discuss Ben's ass and hot dog cars, but they at least (well, the hot dog cars, anyway) bring a little bit of humor to some peoples' days. I respect people who stand up for themselves and don't "mold their views to please popular list philosophy," but I don't have quite as much respect for people who somehow manage to verbally assault and humiliate other people in the process. And if you really can't stand the retardation everyone else seems to be displaying around your holy feet with their petty little chatter, then you think of some topic we all can converse intelligently, won't get bored of in four days, and won't end up insulting other people in the process. It's not quite as easy as you might think. Please pardon any typos or misspellings - I've had enough over the counter drugs to drop a giraffe and my fingers are cold. Benlover ------------------------------ From: Ali@Worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: The Bootleg Trading Post Trung Tran wrote: > > And to all the members of somms, what > do you think? Is Geoff right? Am I any less of a fan because I just happened to > buy a CD SG boot? What do *you* think.. > > -Trung Tran If you were not a fan of SG I doubt very seriously that you would even bother to buy anything by them at all, much less a Boot. The bottom line is its not what we think,its what *you* think. You know how you feel or dont feel about SG, not whether or not your a *true* SG fan just because you buy one thing or another. And quite frankly who really gives a crap one way or the other. But if thats how Geoff feels he's perfectly welcome to voice his opinion. It doesnt necessarily make him right and you wrong or vice versa. As Seth said in an earlier response, we (SG fans) need to support them by eventually buying the authorized copies of releases at some point and time (not your exact words Seth, but I think you get my drift),but that does not mean that if you find a good copy of a boot that you shouldnt by it because its going to make you less of a SG fan then someone else. Dont let anyone tell you diffrently. I've often wondered how SG feels about Boots. I havent heard any of them make a fuss about them, but then again I could be Dead Wrong.. responses........... ali...... p.s. Congratulations Seth!!!!!!!1 300,000 and counting..... I'll just be glad when they come back around here... ------------------------------ From: Kristian Koukal Subject: sonicignition Hello. I am responsible for some Soundgarden stuff on the sonicignition.com web = page. Was wondering if I could get a little feedback from the crew. = It's interview and live stuff. Hit me with the comments at = kristian@sonicignition.com there's some kim wisdom and spoonman live = with frame grabs of chris live. I took those shots from the pit last = fall in Virginia at Patriot center. I had to move to avoid Chris's = boot!! It was so intense. I'm from seattle so it was cool to be close = to SG in a place that big. Thanks. kristian ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: soundgarden rules I believe Caryn has it correct. As I recall TOTD was released before TEN came out, and the video for Hunger Strike appeared after Ten bacame a smash-hit, and Pearl Jam "broke". It seems that A&M were out to make some cash by pushing the project which included members of PJ. Geoff caryn rose wrote: > > eddie had come up to seattle and was hanging around, and thus was INVITED > by the temple members to participate in the recording. remember, totd was > a one off created in tribute to a dead friend; it was never meant to be a > commercial success and it wasn't when it was first released. there wasn't > even a video > > then, sg and pj began to skyrocket in popularity and A&M (not totd, not > pj, not vedder, jesus, you people have such prejudices) decided to > re-release and promote totd in order to capitalize on the success of both > of those bands. again: totd was already recorded and released. eddie > wasn't brought in by anyone because why they were recording it he was > still no one, just this surfer dude from san diego who had just joined > this new band, mookie blaylock. no one in the band made the decision to > do this; the record company did. (and yes, the record company can choose > to do whatever it wants to to promote an album; they cannot force the > artists to participate, but they can decide to start pushing something > again) > > remember, temple was chris and stone and jeff for the most part; do you > think anyone could have made them include vedder if they didn't want to? > if eddie was as talentless as some of you make him out to be, why would > they invite him to participate? again, he was NO ONE at the time... pearl > jam were no one at the time... > > please, pearl jam bashing to the usual address. let's keep it off here. > > --caryn ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: The Bootleg Trading Post Trung Tran wrote: > > Actually Geoff started it. Reread his original reply to my EV/RS post and > you will see. But hey I am man enough to realize my mistake. Geoff, I am Ok, about the EV/RS thing...my reply to your post was probably more out of emotion than anything, but I did apologize for my tone. But I thought it was a pointless post. Eddie's personality is not an appropriate topic for this list. And it seems to me to be pointless to post about Chris's personality and reaction to the RS story when *nobody* knows what the truth is except maybe EV and the rest of PJ. My perception was that you were assuming that the article was a veridical representation of reality. It's a magazine. It's more concerned with what the musicians are wearing than anything about the music. If you want to discuss EV and this thing further, we should move it into amp-j. > sorry about that snide "Mommy" comment. But when you said that I wasn't a > true SG fan because I bought FDR, what did you expect me to do..just sit > here and take it? You riled me up,my friend, and I posted out of emotion. I > should have relaxed..hypertension shouldn't be a side effect from joining this > fine list. I don't think you realize how offending that statement was. Who are > you to say that? I still take tremendous offense to that statement. No one > needs to be calling anyone an untrue fan on here. Look, we are obviously at an > impasse. You believe that if you buy a SG bootleg, then you are not a true fan. > I disagree. I feel that you can be a true SG fan even if you purchase a boot. > But you better realize something Geoff. If you are calling me an untrue fan, > you are calling a lot of us on this list untrue fans because many of them have > done the *exact* same thing that I did. And to all the members of somms, what > do you think? Is Geoff right? Am I any less of a fan because I just happened to > buy a CD SG boot? What do *you* think.. Go back and reread my post. It does not say *anywhere* that you are an untrue fan because you bought a bootleg. Your quote was, "But only a fan would get a bootleg,", and I do not believe that to be true. I'm sure there are many people who own boots just for some kind of status thing, or purely to make money or trade for other boots. I am a fan and I have no immediate desire to buy a bootleg. I like Soundgarden; I like their music, and I don't mind giving them my money. Bottlegs are not made by fans, nor are they made *for* fans. They are made for greedy people to make money off somebody else's talent. I think it would be completely different if a person were to go out, tape a show and *trade* it to others for other shows. That seems to be a fan-based activity. But I choose not to support the bloodsuckers. Clearly we have different opinions, and I'm glad to see that you can debate this rationally, rather spouting off like a child. In summary, you have your reasons for buying boots, and I have my reasons not to buy boots. What else can be said? Geoff > > -Trung Tran ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: singing golden words in a broken voice... On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Geoff wrote: > I believe Caryn has it correct. As I recall TOTD was released before > TEN came out, and the video for Hunger Strike appeared after Ten bacame > a smash-hit, and Pearl Jam "broke". It seems that A&M were out to make > some cash by pushing the project which included members of PJ. sorry for the "yeah, me too" post fellow sommsters, but as far as I can tell both geoff and caryn are right (as was rita when she noted that the project was originally chris' idea). the first two tracks from _temple of the dog_ were originally to be released by chris as a single, probably through a&m; purely as a tribute to the memory of andrew wood. chris proceded to contact stone gossard and jeff ament (members of mother love bone with wood), asking them to record the songs with him. matt cameron joined the three and the group came up with enough material for the album most of us own. eddie vedder was merely an audience to these sessions and was asked by the band to provide backing vocals on a number of tracks (as andrew d. correctly pointed out). besides being a tribute born of sincerity and not commercial greed (as some listers have insinuated), the record was also technically released before pearl jam were even fully formed or realised. _ten_ was yet to be released, as was _badmotorfinger_ (see the radio interview of 1991 with chris, jeff and stone which should be up on sgi.net by the end of next week). the feeling of hype was fostered not by the band (even though they agreed to the 'hunger strike' video and single) but most likely by their record label. ----------------------------------- it doesn't bother me as long as you know words by chris cornell ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: what does it mean? I was about to say the exact same thing. "you make me sick I make music " is not a sentence. It is completely ungrammatical. I think it's just a play on sounds, as pointed out below. Geoff Nate Crosswhite wrote: > I think you guys are reading too much into a fun play on words. > It helps if you read it out loud and pronounce it like this: > "You make me sick, I make myou-sick" > > I don't think Chris meant anything personal by it. :) > > Nate ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Re: Temple/Andrew/Matt/Real PJ History rita b. wrote: >> but apart they're not as good as the whole...what's the saying?... united we stand devided we fall? << > i have to severely disagree with you there, they may work well together, but don't underestimate the talent that these guys have individually! < i'd have to agree with rita on this one. ben, kim, matt, and chris equal on hell of a music group, but on their own they are still amazing musicians. look at hater! look at "seasons" and the acoustic version of "like suicide" !! look at matt's tone dogs side! these guys are loaded! and kim, what band wouldn't want kim as their lead guitarist? the PUSA (presidents of the united states...ect.) had him play on a track on their album. these guys are in demand. and especially look at TOTD. amazing amazing material. each member is his own musical talent and deserves to be recognized as so. besides, what would JCP have sounded like if all 4 boys hadn't combined in the effort? each lended his own personal talent and look what came out-- one of the most powerful songs (***i believe***) to have ever been written. mind riot ____ we see you cry turn your head then we slap your face we see you try see you fail some things never change... ------------------------------ From: CL Miller Subject: puss 'n boots On a solemn March day, you wrote: > for those of you who own the mother love bone album 'thing' with > both _shine_ and _apple_ on it, you'll note that there's a song andy > wrote called "stargazer." well, as i was listening to "say hello 2 > heaven" for the 800th time the other night, i read the lyrics sheet > along with it and the line "poor stargazer/she's got no tears in her > eyes" hit me. the song by andy is about a she, and this line from > SH2H is also a 'she' line. > <"is there a point here?" wonders SOMMSters galore.> > yeah, i'm thinking, 'is this kind of a mention of andy himself in a > song chris blatantly wrote about him, or is this just some kind of > accident (lack of better word here) that > coincidentally had a lot to do with andy's writings?' > um...anyone who can make sense of that share yr opinion... = ) Yes, Niki, Chris wrote "say hello 2 heaven" and "reach down" about Andrew Wood. I believe that most of the album (being dedicated to Andy) has something or other in reference to Andy. Just take a listen to "times of trouble". I agree with Seth about bootlegs. It is not fair to the band if they have gone through what they do to write and record songs and then have someone take the profits for their work away from them. If you (KAISERVRBL) think that it doesn't hurt anyone, then go into your nearest Tower Records or Blockbuster, and steal a few thousand dollars. I'm sure that the company doesn't need it. Love you all! Chris - -- Thank you for allowing me to babble incessantly! Check out my store's homepage! http://www.MovieStop.com My favorite quote of the week: "You ate my ear. . .you killed your wife. . . . . .you framed me. . .and you're mad at me for LYING?" ~~ keanu reeves feeling minnesota ------------------------------ From: Sndgdnfan@aol.com Subject: Re: The Soundgarden Bootleg Trading Post My friend has Fresh Deadly Rarities and it is great! It is almost every b-side you could want. If Soundgarden cared about losing their dollar or two buck royalty they got for an album they would put something out like FDR or make their B-sides more available. Anyway, I heard Chris Cornell himself say on the radio that Matt Cameron bought a Soundgarden bootleg and he wasn't upset about it. He actually enjoyed listening to the rare songs on it. If Chris Cornell isn't going to worry about the buck fifty neither am I. - -pete ------------------------------ From: Candy Subject: Re: soundgarden rules > I believe Caryn has it correct. As I recall TOTD was released before > TEN came out, and the video for Hunger Strike appeared after Ten bacame > a smash-hit, and Pearl Jam "broke". It seems that A&M were out to make > some cash by pushing the project which included members of PJ. > Geoff I believe that the Hunger Strike video also came out before Ten was released. I'm pretty sure that I remember seeing it a couple of times on Headbanger's Ball and being surprised that there was a video for it, as none of the band members were well known at that time. Then later, after Ten was a big hit, they started showing the second, slightly different version of the Hunger Strike video regularly on MTV. Candy ------------------------------ From: David Miller Subject: SG/Living Colour Hey, today I realized how good LTL really is! I mean, I used to like it a lot, but now I listened to it a lot closer today, and it's really cool. I was looking through the liner notes, and they thank Living Colour. And I also have Vernon Reid's(guitarist of now-defunct Ling Colour) new solo album, Mistaken Identity. In his liner notes, he thanks SG. Anybody know the relationship betw these 2 bands. PS--please, this list does not always have to be in arguments, people can post their opinions to an extent. Draw the line when you're insulting someone else. It doesn't matter who started it, try to be mature about it, and please, WHEN FLAMING, DO IT PRIVATELY!!! Nobody on this list wants to hear you insult someone else. Some people on this list just get too defensive about things. This is just a suggestion, if you're going to flame, do it straight to me. It's annoying to go through endless messages that have no meaning to me. I'm probably one of the youngest members on this list, and we should all try to be more grown up about things. Guess this was a pretty long PS, sorry. Dave Miller ********************************************* *I like to trade bootlegs. * *Check out my Pearl Jam homepage at: * *http://pwp.starnetinc.com/gwm/pearl.htm * *You can find my bootlist there * *PEARL JAM AND SOUNDGARDEN RULE! * ********************************************* ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 70] ***************************************