From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 16 Mar 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 02:23:27 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Sunday, 16 Mar 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: bsides/new album sg concerts ohio players and vh1 Be kind to the new guy! Re: Chris vs. Cantrell Sg live SG survival kit Sgarden, RS, EV, PJ, etc. Soundgarden Chris vs Myself Spin Magazine Sermon on Pop Music who cares? Re: chris, eddie and rolling stone Re: chris vs anybody Feeling Like You..... Re: Sermon on Pop Music anyone out there? Re: Chris vs. Cantrell Re: Sgarden, RS, EV, PJ, etc. RE:Spin Magazine Re: bsides/new album Re: who cares? Re: Sg live Re: Chris vs Myself Re: Chris vs Myself Susan *was* bowling. OBSERVATION THE HAPPIEST DAY OF MY LIFE!!! Chris VS. Vedder misc. stuff Re: A Final Word on the Grammys Alive in the Superunknown Burden in my Hand UK Import Re: Alive in the Superunknown recovery Recovery recovery Our own music (was Re: Chris vs. Cantrell) RE: Say Anything... Killing with Charm(Recovery) Rolling Stone Re: Alive in the Superunknown Re: chris vs anybody nothing in particular. . . There's one in every crowd..... ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Rosario Fusca Subject: bsides/new album Maybe soundgarden will release an album like sp's pisces iscariot album, all the bsides on one cd instead of a box set. they could be rerecording material for it or something and maybe thats what they meant. this is only speculation so dont trash me or my ideas and PLEASE dont bring up the SG vs SP controversy. ruth ------------------------------ From: Rosario Fusca Subject: sg concerts i was wondering whether any somms members who've been to soundgarden concerts where you am i was supporting them and whether they liked you am i or not, i only saw them supporting sg when they played at festival hall in melbourne. i personally like you am i but feel free to say that you dont, if you can be bothered to reply. ruth ------------------------------ From: me Subject: ohio players and vh1 As I am typing this the Ohio players are on vh1! Its vh1's 7 days of seventies week. They didnt play fopp. I guess they are a funkadelic band, considering this is the first time I have ever seen them, and heard them. dave ------------------------------ From: steve@skeeter.idiscover.co.uk (Steve Orr) Subject: Be kind to the new guy! From: steve@skeeter.idiscover.co.uk Subject: Screaming Life!!!! Ooo 'eck,First post to new digest-thingy. Er, greetings from London (England, of course). To the point: I'm sure I saw on the Soungarden Web site that the original issue of Screaming Life came on red vinyl. Hmmm, I have a copy of this and mines a sort of marbly blue colour (note correct spelling :-) ). It's on SUB-POP and everything, it's just a different colour. What's it all about then? Is it a reissue? IS IT WORTH ANYTHING?? (Only kidding, of course I wouldn't part with a Soundgarden record for mere money. Other offers gladly accepted :-) ) Enuff of this witty banter (I wish!) Steve ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_And=E9r?= Subject: Re: Chris vs. Cantrell On Thu, 13 Mar 1997, Nikki Meyer wrote: > Chris vs. Kim? hmmmm now that's interesting, I'm not too sure about that one. I > agree with you about Cornell vs. Cantrell > This is a really interesting comparishion. Cantrell and Cornell are in a way very alike as songwriters, they both have the talent necessary to write stuff that when you figure it out you think "why didn't I think of that?". You can also often tell if a song was written by either one of these two. Enough of this idolization, I'm sure these guys have employes writing their songs... I never seem to be able to write such high quality stuff myself ;) /martin. (guitarmaniactothebone) ------------------------------ From: tendrils Subject: Sg live when I went to see Soundgarden live down here in Australia I had a number of songs in mind that i was hoping i would hear them play. The one i was most saddened not to head was Head Down.,.. (even though another crazed and awed fan next to me at the front shouted out between encore songs "Head Down, Ben! Head Down!") I have now accepted that i may never get to see them play this song live (*sigh*), but I was hoping that someone lucky enough to have seen it will answer me this question: Does Chris his part with an acoustic on stage? Don't forget to write... this email's cool Cornell lyric follows: - -- Hey you slaves go hang your owners Write your name in their ashes Lay your children on their thrones - -- ------------------------------ From: sknauf@HK.Super.NET Subject: SG survival kit Hey people, guess what I found yesterday? A DOTU survival kit! I had no idea these things existed, but it's pretty cool. According to the label, it's UK promo only, and quite rare. It contains loads of stuff, which I'll list (yes, I took notes... HMV probably thought I was a nutcase): 9-trk video compilation, Ident Club Greeting video, frisbee, ear-plugs, compass, water pistol, hacky sack, hooded rain-coat poncho, bottle of water and first aid kit and all of this comes in a green backpack. Now, what caught my eye (apart from the water pistol - what's it doing in a survival kit?) was of course the video. There's a video compilation out there! Hopefully this one will be released on it's own, 'cos the entire kit costs around $230, and as much as I love SG, I'm not going to pay that much for two videos and a bunch of earplugs and frisbees. sabrina ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: Sgarden, RS, EV, PJ, etc. I'm probably opening myself up to lectures and flames but this is a place to post opinions, etc., so I wanted to add my 2 cents to this discussion. In the first place, it's PJ and their management who imposed this media ban back when Vs was in the works. NO interviews, NO photos, NO anything new to go to the press and therefore to the fans. (In fact, I could tell you quite the story about what Curtis Management did to a fellow zine editor who merely asked for a photo pass,and this is someone who gets passes from others regularly.) We all saw the effects of it if we looked--and I once did b/c I used to be a huge PJ fan--w/ the music mags re-running old photos and articles, just so they could proclaim PJ was in their mag so they'd sell it to the desperate PJ fans. Weird thing was, despite this ban, you still saw them in certain publications like Musician and others. The whole thing seemed so hypocritical and 2-faced. So a publication w/ a world-wide rep, aka RS, asks for an interview and gets turned down. They start poking around and they find out some unflattering stuff about EV, which, sorry, I do happen to believe b/c I do know a few people in Seattle. It gets published and the PJ/EV idolizers take offense b/c, after all it's "cutting up" their hero. Hey, what if their hero, Mr. Vedder, isn't the nice guy they all think he is? Is anyone we admire really the way we think they are? So I can't blast RS for that article, from MY own perspective, which I've formed based on what I know. As for CC speaking out or defending EV....well, if he considers himself to be EV's friend (is he sure EV considers him a friend?) then this certainly shows CC is loyal to his friends, and that does have to be admired. MY 2 cents worth, understand, tho I think this whole thing could lead to some good converstaions on the list! This is so much better than flaming bands others on the list like or taking stabs at people! ciao....deb ------------------------------ From: KENNY BECKWITH <"beckwith@gte.net"@gte.net> Subject: Soundgarden Hey everyone. ITS FRIDAY! ITS FRIDAY! ITS FRIDAY! WOOHOO.(Now that I got that out) So I just finished reading 3 days worth of somms, so I must now comment even though most of the somms content is of things that had been already examined and re-examined. I am just glad the whole Billy/Chris thing has finally begun to die out. I hate it when all you fight over something so trivial. Because no matter how much you say something or someone else tells you something else, if you believe yourself to be right, it won't change a thing. But anyways..If I had Chris's number I wouldn't call. Or if I did I would probley do what someone else mentioned and ask for someone else. Anything for the chance to talk to Mr. Cornell because at the rate I'm going I won't ever get the chance to meet or even see him in concert:( Life is so unfair. In my boyfriends French class they sang Black Hole Sun(in French) I found that quite humerous. Soundgarden in the class room. Whats going to be next? I tried to get him to sing it for me but he wouldn't do it. Someone mentioned they were looking for a copy of GoldMine? I get mine from Blockbuster Music. You know you're obssesed with Soundgarden when...You go out and get a job just so you can be able to offord all the Soundgarden stuff you don't have. Lisa B ------------------------------ From: Stacy Meyrick Subject: Chris vs Myself Why do I feel like nearly every mail I receive is just reminding me of why I left? > there is no one who can compare to the man in question. He's a muscian, a songwriter, a lyricist, but not a god. There are millions of muscians, songwriters and lyrcists in the world who you will never see or hear. I once saw an alcoholic playing for money in a high street - have you ever heard him? Or the man playing blues in the middle of a crowded shopping centre. Or the young girl with her violin in a small town side-street. I doubt it, because without these experiences music will never mean anything to you. > Chris vs Thayil-any takers on this war. No, because it's pointless. > I have no idea what Chris is driving now but a little bird told me that way back when he was really big in saving the planet (just look at the song Hands All > Over) so he didn't drive anything but rode around on a bike. Kelly, do you honestly care what car he drives? What happened to people talking about why they are here, why they like Soundgarden I feel like I'm reading a pile of teen-angst, that nobody really knows what to talk about and instead they're just passing time. I thought that just maybe we could talk about music, talk about one of the most beautiful things in the world, but no. It really is a shame because there is enough people here with enough experiences and opinions to raise the conversation to a standard so much higher than this. > We're actually lucky to still have our bands... It's a pop scene that likes to crucify and immortalize it's hero's... Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Jim Morrisson, > Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, Shannon Hoon, Andrew Wood, James Dean, River Phoenix, Marilyn Monroe, the list goes on... and it *will* go on... Taylor, most of these people crucified themselves. They're the gods that we're supposed to look up to. They're the gods that feed on addiction, only to die like all the others junkies that nobody really cared about anyway. And who put them there, who made them "immortal"? Who found acceptance in what they did? The pop scene doesn't come into it, is's just human, like every person you named above. The story below was told to me at four in the morning in some Spanish bar drinking watered-down beer. It has absolutely fuck-all to do with Soundgarden, so if that means anything then I suggest you stop reading now. Whether it's true or not I don't know, but the point doesn't change: A man walked into a cafe, and having ordered a coffee from the young lady at the counter, walked slowly towards the far corner of the room to a small table positioned there. A second man, though somewhat hidden within the shade, raised his head to see the stranger. With such eagerness, the man shouted across the room, and throwing himself through several tables and chairs, eventually came to rest in the chair opposite him. "You're a muscian aren't you? No you are, I'm absolutely sure." The stranger said nothing and with a smile pointed towards the leather guitar case leaning against the wall next to him. The man, almost hysterical at this, grasped the nearby napkin and demanded an autograph. Taking the napkin, the stranger took a pen from his inside pocket and began to scrawl across the pattern. When he had finished the man took the napkin back and began to read the stranger's words. "You know who I am?" The startled look of the man seemed highly amusing to the stranger. "Of course I do, everybody does. You're Robert Plant." Cheers, Stacy. ------------------------------ From: tonerkin Subject: Spin Magazine Hello all, Spin April 97 issue. The Spin 40...the most vital artists in music today. Soundgarden is #32. There is a small paragraph with a blurry photo of them all. I'll keep you guessing who was #1. toni ------------------------------ From: "Seth W." Subject: Sermon on Pop Music Hey You know, I think the Seattle scene has been over in the eye of pop media for two years already. Dubbed, sampled R&B with computer repaired vocals and an endless stream of love song lyrics has been biding its time; gradually filling the band widths until, SURPRISE, we can't get away from it. Not to mention the worthless 4-measure drum loops that people call dance music. But the thing is that its just part of a cycle that is picking up where it left off in 1989. One of these days something new and worthwhile will show up, and that will be the trend for a few years. And it will all happen a bazillion times. This "Pop Media" we bitch about is being dictated by the same fifth graders that had to re-do their wardrobe when the look of cool changed abruptly from Nirvana to 311. (I have a lot of respect for both of those bands, just for the record.) Just go to your local record store for about half an hour and watch who is buying records, and you'll see this to be true. Anyway, we are stuck with it, but it's not as though this means Soundgarden or anyone else is being laid off or anything. There is a new album in the works; Screaming Trees last one was terrific, and the same goes for the Meat Puppets and a lot of others. All of these bands that I was fortunate enough to be exposed to around or just before the turn of the decade are still doing quite well, thank you, you just have to weed through more crap at Sam Goody or whatever to find their stuff. I can handle that. As long as these musicians I respect have the courtesy to make music available to me (us), I will gladly pad their royalty checks and simply ignore all the other crap! Preachin' on, once again! Seth W. (different) ------------------------------ From: Rita Bonofiglio Subject: who cares? all this eddie vedder/rolling stone (that issue came out when? things must be pretty low in sg land if we're talking about this now) has made me think.... personally, i don't believe the article, and no eddie vedder is not my hero , it was just an irresponsible piece of journalism, come on, high school sources, get real. yes, yes, i will continue to trash rolling stone for that article, not because of what they "revealed" about eddie vedder, but because of the tactics they used to create that article...totally unproffessional, totally out of line, very tabloid enquirer like. now to the point...who really cares about his (or anyone's) personality/background...isn't the reason we love these people for the music? you see, this is the reason i try not to read up on the personal lives of musicians i like, what is the point? so who cares if eddie vedder was the cool guy in high school (i don't believe it) does he still not write great music? and who really cares if chris cornell ducks fans when he sees them...so what? music is the bottom line in all of this, videos, pictures, books and magazine covers are all extras. now of course lines should be drawn ( i just don't think i could look at soundgarden the same way if i found out one of them beats women and rapes dogs)but in my opinion, i just think music is all that should matter. just curious, is there anyone on this list who had a bad expierence with a member of soundgarden (besides poor caryn who practically had her nose broken by ben shepherd) and did it effect the way you listen to their music? ca c'est tout..i have another damn paper to write (what the hell am i doing this for then?) - -----rita b. ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: Re: chris, eddie and rolling stone Taylor Holmes wrote: > > Don't read. > > Point1: Ever post something after a couple of beers only to read it the next morning and wonder what the hell you were talking about? Sorry, all... disregard... Later, Taylor ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Dunn" Subject: Re: chris vs anybody god, you guys are STILL talking about this? > From: Orko > Subject: Re: chris vs anybody > > WhaT about > > chris vs Vedder? close race... anyone like to comment on that? I say that the people who understood the points which were raised in the origional argument (which was about people having open minds to other forms of music, not about who "rules" and who "sucks") is over and nobody really should embarass themselves any farther by participating in such a debate unless it is in private email. - -Andrew ------------------------------ From: Aferdity@aol.com Subject: Feeling Like You..... Well, I have two things to say: First of all, I have a DOTU on vinyl if anyone is interested in buying it. You can have it for what I paid for it. E-mail me (Aferdity@aol.com) and I'll give you all the details. Second of all, I'm still looking for someone who got the MTV pre-Grammy show on tape. I would REALLY like a copy of this. If you have this and don't mind sharing (I'll pay for your trouble) please e-mail me. That's all for now. Take care and be sweet!! Stay Cool, Kelly :) ------------------------------ From: Rita Bonofiglio Subject: Re: Sermon on Pop Music On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Seth W. wrote: > will all happen a bazillion times. This "Pop Media" we bitch about is being > dictated by the same fifth graders that had to re-do their wardrobe when the > look of cool changed abruptly from Nirvana to 311. exactly right...this bandwagon is slowly emptying, but it does not bother me...we may be fewer now, but we're definitley better...and going to see a soundgarden show just becomes more bareable. no more having to put up with some trendy asshole who just wakes up from his pot induced sleep when black hole sun comes on. - -----rita b. ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: anyone out there? I just heard from a fellow lister who lives in a town that's maybe80-90 miles from me and it just got me to wondering. Is this area so devoid of Sgarden listeners?? Is there anyone else on the list from NW Pennsylvania--that's the side Pittsburgh and Erie are on--NE Ohio--like around Cleveland--or even Western NY--like Buffalo south??? Gawd, I'm suddenly feeling very stranded and alone! Help me! Like I'm stuck on a deserted island! It's Friday--see ya bright and early Monday! deb ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: Re: Chris vs. Cantrell In a message dated 97-03-14 04:29:28 EST, martin. (guitarmaniactothebone) writes: << Enough of this idolization, I'm sure these guys have employes writing their songs... I never seem to be able to write such high quality stuff myself ;) >> that just sprung a major idea into my head....well..actually..first off...why don't you think you can write anything of that calabre?...and well..the idea i had...which is now instantaneously not looking so good but i'll share anyhow...why dont you (we) post some of our stuff...and see? xo ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: Re: Sgarden, RS, EV, PJ, etc. In a message dated 97-03-14 07:48:33 EST, deb write: << As for CC speaking out or defending EV....well, if he considers himself to be EV's friend (is he sure EV considers him a friend?) then this certainly shows CC is loyal to his friends, and that does have to be admired. >> i know this is really stretching it (my forthcoming comment that is)...but if I take your theory of admiring someone (to me mind you...cornell needs no reasons to be admired...he should just be...but anyhow..moving along)...so according to the scenerio you've sorta set up...we shouls admire like hitler and mousilinni..and their sort cuz hitler (being the biggest hypocrite that ever lived) stuck by mousillinni's side or rather modelled after him during the second world war....am i making any sense? xo ------------------------------ From: SndGrdn45@aol.com Subject: RE:Spin Magazine As soon as I opened my mailbox, I knew Soundgarden HAD to be one of the top 40 most vital artists, but it's a blurry picture. And Trent Reznor is #1. ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: Re: bsides/new album In a message dated 97-03-14 04:41:28 EST, ruth writes: << PLEASE dont bring up the SG vs SP controversy >> there isn't one though...well not in my mind anyhow....billly corngan has even been quoted many times praising soundgarden and cornell....so if the head of sp himself looks up to sg...then what real controversy is there? xo ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: Re: who cares? In a message dated 97-03-14 10:52:04 EST, rita write: << isn't the reason we love these people for the music? you see, this is the reason i try not to read up on the personal lives of musicians i like, what is the point? so who cares if eddie vedder was the cool guy in high school (i don't believe it) does he still not write great music? and who really cares if chris cornell ducks fans when he sees them...so what? >> actually....i'm sorta guilty for trying to find out about cornell on many occassions..but you make an increidbly valid point....what the hell does it matter how they grew up or how many siblings they have or whatever.....it should be about the music...and as for those "fans" who are only into sg or any other group for that matter for the media image of the group.....then well..i think they should just get the hell out of my way and let me closer to the band i most idolize becuase their music is awesome and becuase in their own way they've touched my life with it xo ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: Re: Sg live In a message dated 97-03-14 05:36:07 EST,tendrils writes: << The one i was most saddened not to head was Head Down.,.. >> believe me..i know exactly how you feel...one i wanted to hear most was 4th of july..i'm simply extatic about that song....but i dunno why they didnt play it..i would've given anything to hear them play it....i saw them live on nov 13 (96) at varsity arena (toronto)...and it was amazing..i was about 5 feet from cornell throughout most of the concert.....an experience i will definitely not forget......but getting back to the topic at hand..i was utterly disapointed when they didnt play 4th of july though. <> huh? <> wow..wher'd you get that one? xo ------------------------------ From: KSingh2349@aol.com Subject: Re: Chris vs Myself In a message dated 97-03-14 11:37:03 EST,stacy write: << Kelly, do you honestly care what car he drives? What happened to people talking about why they are here, why they like Soundgarden I feel like I'm reading a pile of teen-angst, that nobody really knows what to talk about and instead they're just passing time. I thought that just maybe we could talk about music, talk about one of the most beautiful things in the world, but no. It really is a shame because there is enough people here with enough experiences and opinions to raise the conversation to a standard so much higher than this >> i agree with you...but if you're so concerened about the decline of this system and the messages...why dont you..instead of complaining about it...lead the conversation into something more intellecutal..more interesting xo ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: Chris vs Myself In a message dated 3/14/97 2:51:20 PM, KSingh2349@aol.com wrote: <> Anyone car for a "Michael Apple"? Lance ------------------------------ From: lecocke@txdirect.net Subject: Susan *was* bowling. Hey list. I just got not only my PJ Starr videos, but my Kaiser Keller vid too. Needless to say, I'm one happy kid...Well, I'm off to go plant myself in front of the HUGE tv to watch them. Gotta love Spring Break. Oh, and by the way (Shroom particularly), I'm pretty damn sure I saw Susan in the background on the bowling segment of Headbanger's Ball. Comments anyone?! Later, luv Margret ------------------------------ From: ALISHA SALLEY Subject: OBSERVATION WHATS UP ALL, FIRST TIME ON THE LIST, AND I HAVE TO SAY ITS NICE TO TALK TO SG FANS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE A SHORTAGE WHERE I LIVE. OR IS IT JUST ME? COULD IT BE MY TASTE IN MUSIC? ANYWAY...... JUST AN OBSERVATION. I'VE OFTEN FOUND THAT ALOT OF MUSIC OR GROUPS THAT WE AS FANS SEEM TO DISLIKE, THE VERY SAME BAND(MEANING ANY BAND OUT THERE) THAT WE ADMIRE SO MUCH, WILL OFTEN FIND THAT VERY SAME FORM OF MUSIC OR IN SOME CASES A PARTICULAR BAND, MUSICIAN, ETC. ETC. A MAJOR INFLUENCE IN THEIR LIVES. I'M JUST CURIOUS, HAS ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE NOTICED THE SAME THING. AS BEFORE, JUST AN OBSERVATION. OR AM I READING TO MUCH INTO SOMEONE ELSES LIFE. ANY RESPONSES? ALI................. ------------------------------ From: Cornell32@aol.com Subject: THE HAPPIEST DAY OF MY LIFE!!! Y'all... This isn't SG related...other than they covered a song by this band, but I just have to tell you all how giddy and silly I am about the MUTHAFUCKIN BLACK SABBATH REUNION TOUR!!!!! WOOOOOHOHOHOHOHOH!!!!!!! Okay, I'm alright. Well, I'm sure Chris will be thrilled, anyway! hehheh.. Anybody who is also excited, please e-mail me so we can be all giddy and silly! Love, Leslie ------------------------------ From: Chris Liepe Subject: Chris VS. Vedder From: Orko Subject: Re: chris vs anybody >>WhaT about >>chris vs Vedder? close race... anyone like to comment on that? Chris VS. Vedder: They make a great pair (Hunger Strike) Sometimes they sound similar in my opinion when they see low, but where Chris wins is the high energy powerfull vocals. (Slaves & Bulldozers, Spoonman, Outshined, and more) Both are great at singing, but Chris's range and power makes his voice unbeatable by anybody out there. (MY OPINION) -CL ------------------------------ From: Jennifer Kern Subject: misc. stuff Hello everyone!! I ordered some SG stuff a little while back and they sent me the wrong item. I thought I would check and see if anyone here would like it before I sent it back. I ended up paying $13 for it (which IMO isn't bad). For anyone who's interested it's a 7" bootleg of "Earache My Eye" (on black vinyl). Not an original SG song, I know, but for those of you who like to collect, it may be something you would like to add to your collection. Email me by Tuesday and let me know. JEN ------------------------------ From: Kathie and David Subject: Re: A Final Word on the Grammys Deb answered Kristen: > >This is directed to everyone who seems to think it's so strange that > >Chris attended the Grammy's with his wife. What is strange about > >either one of them being there ? > > Agreed! Why is everyone jumping on that? They were nominated, and I'd > expect someone, if not the whole band, to have been there, wouldn't you guys? I don't think anyone thought it was strange. I think this discussion stemmed from the thread before the Grammys where people were saying what a sham they are (the Grammys that is), but that SG always showed up. For me I wondered why Chris was there but the other members weren't. It didn't surprise me at all that he would be there, since he had been in the past, or that Susan would be there, since she is the manager of several nominated bands. I think it somehow got twisted to this idea that he was coerced to go by Susan because it was only him and not the others. Kristen continued: > Does > anybody on this list really believe that when Susan says jump-he says > " How high ? " Just because they work together does'nt mean that in > private they're not a normal married couple. While I don't think Chris does or agrees with everything Susan says, I do think she probably has a pretty big influence both in his private and professional life - how could she not. Even presidents are influenced by their wives, and their wives aren't even in management positions. Knowing some of the history behind their relationship and the assent of the band it would be stupid of him not to trust her judgement. She has been instrumental in taking SG from obscurity to stardom. > As a band they have > the authority to fire her, which is exactly what I feel they would do > if she was a domineering, bossy, control freak. I don't remember anyone calling Susan any of these things. I found some things I have read about Susan as a manager and thought I would put them in here just as examples of what I've been trying to say. From the 1996 Rip reprinted on Seth's page: "In a heavily male dominated sector of the industry, she's a savvy, forceful businessperson who has earned the respect of everyone she's worked with..." I know New Metal Crown isn't well thought of here, but there are several good parts about Susan in there as well: [1987]"At the time when they were still just another band with talent and a chance, Susan Silver made the decisive moves and gave them the push they needed, as Howard Lev noted: 'They weren't playing a whole hell of a lot at that time. It seemed Susan was really picking and choosing their dates at that particular point and really focusing on them starting to think more about recording and getting all that together. The two of them [Susan and Chris] went to New York. I asked what they did there, and he said, 'checking it out.' I had the sense that she was showing him the way. A lot of it was her honing his instincts." "The Rocket's Charles R. Cross, who has dealt with her for a number of years summed her up this way: 'She's one of the most powerful female rock managers in the country...She is a powerful, demanding manager, and it's hard for females to do that, whereas when males are that way,...they're considered brilliant. She does it and everyone talks about how bossy she is.' And finally, from Zen and the Art of Silver Management on Seth's page: [Susan talking] "At our staff meeting earlier, we were talking about the pros and cons of any situation, and I used my dogs as an example. The pro is they reduce my stress level. The con is they increase everybody else's. When you own your business, you can bring your dogs to work." > There > would be no logical reason for him to put up with that, he could > probably find a thousand girls who'd take her place in a > heartbeat. Maybe a thousand who would WANT to take her place (in his life) but I doubt that he could find a thousand who could REALLY take her place. Their relationship seems a whole lot more complex than that. Kathie ------------------------------ From: u1002740@host.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey Mlinscek) Subject: Alive in the Superunknown Alive in the Superunknown is an awesome CD-Rom, and if you don't have it get it. But does anyone no why the Spoonman video is not on there? I mean all the other singles released from Superunknown are on there. All my friends are indians. All my friends are brown and red. ----Spoonman---- Sean ------------------------------ From: Kathie and David Subject: Burden in my Hand UK Import Hi again. I just got a wonderful surprise and I wanted to share. I discovered the Burden in my Hand single on my pillow after I put the kids to bed tonight. It was a surprise from my hubby. Its been a long time since I got an Import and I'm thrilled! I wanted to ask a question about the CD though. It has a sticker on the front that says Limited Edition Collectors Slip Box with Free Poster. I can't find a number on it or any info (I could just not be looking in the right place). I looked on the web page, but I don't know where this one fits in. It doesn't say anything about being a "club promo", but it does say its a limited edition. Does anyone know how limited it is? Thanks. It is in a box, with a poster and says Part 2 of a 2 CD set. Kathie ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Re: Alive in the Superunknown me wrote: > > Jeffrey Mlinscek wrote: > > > > Alive in the Superunknown is an awesome CD-Rom, and if you don't > > have it get it. But does anyone no why the Spoonman video is not on there? > > I mean all the other singles released from Superunknown are on there. Somewhere I had heard that the video is in there somewhere. Can anyone else confirm this? And what about the live footage of Chris when his head was shaved. I thought I saw it once, before you get sucked into that stupid pong like game. Maybe the Spponman vid isnt viewable by just going into m-player. I dunno is there any secret stuff in the cd-rom.? The world may never know. Dave ------------------------------ From: Lee Christensen Subject: recovery Hey ya, Any Australian Sommsters awake this morning?? there I was eating breakfast watching Recovery, when I hear 'And now Soundgarden at the BDO' I'm like what unn? And wouldn't you know it the video player was in the other room being used for dubbing and not hooked up to the tv!!!! Anyway the played a short bit IE 30secs worth of SG live at the BDO and had an interview with Matt. Anyway able to copy it? And did anyone watch the whole show?? (yeah I know 9am is a bugger to go up and watch recovery :) did they have anymore earlier on in the show or was that it? oh I had more to say like how the hell does a band like Savage Garden get air play in America when HUGE bands over here can't ??? I ask you what is wrong with the world :) :) /me thinks of starting up his own radio station :) Pump Up the Volume anyone? seeya Lee ***** "I'm sorry I was cruel, I forgot to kiss you..... " For KC dog....love you always....Oct 1986 - Feb 25 1997 ------------------------------ From: Georgia Kennedy Subject: Recovery Hi list - Yes, I was up early this morning (the body gets used to 6.00 am wakeup calls & goes into auto pilot mode), and I did watch Recovery. BUT the TV reception where I live is shit, and more pointedly, on Channel 2, the picture completely sucks, so I didn't bother to tape it. However, I have a friend who may have and if he did, I'll post. Anyways, there was nothing else on the show about Soundgarden (Mark of Cain played a couple of blistering numbers live however), and apart from the 30 secs or so of live footage from the BDO, the segment was largely uninteresting. Matt has such a great speaking voice tho... georgia ------------------------------ From: keenan@peninsula.starway.net.au Subject: recovery hi peoples, well i managed to tape soundgarden on recovery. well actually i missed a few seconds at the start but got the rest. it only goes for about 4 minutes and isn't very exciting. it's got matt talking about stuff, he talks about the album name and that. and has a tiny bit of spoonman from the big day out, the melbourne one i'm pretty sure and about 5 seconds of searching with my good eye closed and a bit of Hype. anyway, i can make a copy for those people who really want it. bec (writing her first post) ------------------------------ From: Martin Andir Subject: Our own music (was Re: Chris vs. Cantrell) KSingh2349@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-03-14 04:29:28 EST, martin. (guitarmaniactothebone) > writes: > > << Enough of this idolization, I'm sure these guys have employes > writing their songs... I never seem to be able to write such high quality > stuff myself ;) > >> > > that just sprung a major idea into my head....well..actually..first off...why > don't you think you can write anything of that calabre?...and well..the idea > i had...which is now instantaneously not looking so good but i'll share > anyhow...why dont you (we) post some of our stuff...and see? > xo Well, I'm not into music written down. However, soundclips would be cool! My band (shit, that sounds egoistic...) are having a concert next weekend and we'll be taping it, so those of you who are interested could mail me and recieve clips... maybe. BTW, how many of you out there play in bands? /martin. ------------------------------ From: Wyn Subject: RE: Say Anything... >Brydon wrote on 14/3 >Did any UK SOMMSters catch a film on ITV, Wednesday night called 'Say >Anything'? Some Cameron Crowe film from 1989 with John Cusak... > >Soundgarden were on with 'Flower' and 'Toybox', Mother Love Bone had 'Cloe >Dancer/Crown Of Thorns', Living Colour were on there, Fishbone, the >Replacements, the Chilli Peppers... > >I don't know if the SG songs were on the soundtrack (if one was released), but >I didn't see it mentioned in the Releases section of Seths page. >Anyone have any idea? > >Brydon > I was going to ask this question but hadn't got around to it, but not fro the same reason. I was having a look through one of my brothers Nirvana books (theres always a chance of catching a SG pic) and it had a Sub Pop chronology in the back and it mentioned a movie made by Cameron Crowe Called Say Anything... with music by SG & mother love bone include on the soundtrack so I was surprise that it wasn't in the discography too. Bronwyn. ------------------------------ From: Wyn Subject: Killing with Charm(Recovery) I hope all you Aussies out there were watching or taping Recovery because they had an interview with Matt Cameron on there. I haven't seen it all, I was just in an ABC shop where I went over to look at the Red Dwarf videos and there on the TV beside them was Matt Camerons face. Pity was that I couldn't hear anything said cause they had the volume turned off so I'll just have to go home this arvo and watch it. Ps: this is extreemly sad I'm at UNI on a SATURDAY! is that devotion or what, although I'm just doing e-mail and going on the net. Bronwyn. "Killing with Charm"~Rhinosaur ------------------------------ From: Peter Taylor Subject: Rolling Stone This is in regards to "Chris, eddie and Rolling Stone. Rolling stone are just little fuckers who are pissed of that vedder wouldn't give them an article. What they presented was definately not facts. It was pure bullshit. Fiona Theissen. I would have emailed you privately, but the messages always get returned. Good to finally see another melbourne sommster. If your still interested in getting a copy of somms in Australia, I think I might know of a way, so email me. Nicola Taylor ------------------------------ From: FrkShow911@aol.com Subject: Re: Alive in the Superunknown In a message dated 97-03-15 00:32:49 EST, you write: << And what about the live footage of Chris when his head was shaved. I thought I saw it once, before you get sucked into that stupid pong like game >> The live version of Kickstand can be found on the second level down the stairs. When you get there, do a 180 degree with your virtual head and click on the big red bent gear. As for the Spoonman vid, there isn't one on there. ---hope that helps, Al ------------------------------ From: vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu (Vasant Ramamurthy) Subject: Re: chris vs anybody >From: frbpollock@schoollink.com (Billy Pollock) >there is no one who can compare to the man in question. Corgan has nothing >on him because he is competely different. worse thing Corgan could do was >lose his drummer. anyone heard the song off of the lost highway cd,it's got >a techno beat to it(kind of). >Chris vs corgan- chris multidemensional country(call me a dog)thrash(slaves >and buldozers)pop(black hole sun)rock(burden). Corgan 2 demensional >hard(jelly belly) soft(tonight tonight) well, with that last comment, it's obvious that you haven't heard enough smashing pumpkins. but anyway, forget about it; i don't want to start some stupid sp v. sg thread again. i'm sure the long-time sommsters know my feelings on sp (ie., i like them). and for god's sake, could we stop comparing chris to everybody else? what exactly is the point? we already know how good chris is. vasant - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Home of the Soundgarden Songbook: http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu "When new damage comes, it's a new word for plague, a new world order, a new word for hate" - New Damage - S O U N D G A R D E N ------------------------------ From: merlin Subject: nothing in particular. . . hey. . . first i just wanted to say to anybody who's written me in the past few days - if i haven't written back, it's b/c i didn't get your message - b/c of a server problem or something. sorry. hopefully things'll be back to normal soon. anyway... all i've got to say about the whole "Chris vs. so-and-so" thing is: through-out history, democracy has always prevailed over communism. and you guys are all wrong about Chris' car! didn't you hear!? he drives the Partridge Family van!!! that's all for now. . . ~Lorraine "nothing's closing my eyes. . . . ." "so I drink in the shadows of an evening sky. . . . ." ------------------------------ From: Rebekah Henderson Subject: There's one in every crowd..... ....so which ones are Chris, Kim, Matt, and Ben?? My setting is the neighborhood. Mr. Know It All; recognized as the man who often has trouble balancing his own checkbook, but somehow manages to have the solution to the national debt. This would be Kim Thayil. He often sits on his front porch nursing a beer and watching other neighborhood dwellers come home from work. Always says hello when they step out of their car and immediately tries to lure them over to his porch so he can state his latest opinion on anything and everything. He tells it to anyone who will listen and occasionally those who won't. He doesn't mind because he's really just an over-friendly guy. He likes to have a good beer and stimulating conversation. Most people just nod and say, "Yes Kim," because in truth they don't really know what he is talking about. They're being polite and letting him rant all he wants. He's too much of an intellectual. Maybe after a few beers people might actually grasp what he is saying. Until then he sits on his porch waiting for the next person to step out of their car. Mr. "Aw, shucks!"-recognized as the man who gets your mail while you're out of town and mows your lawn out of kindness; a true guy next door type. This would be Matt Cameron. He's got the look. Good build and pretty blonde hair. The guy who looks like an eternal college student. He helps elderly ladies across the street. He helps the mom with 3 kids running around bring in her groceries. He talks cars and motorcycles with the other guys in the neighborhood. The girls love him. He's a true do-gooder. The Guy Who Lives In The Haunted House-recognized as the man who seemingly dwells in the house with the shades always drawn and in bad need of painting. This would be Ben Shepherd. He makes appearances every once in a while. He sometimes stays away for days and then just pops back up. When he comes down the road to the house, the neighborhood children gather in front of the house and whisper. The yard is really just some tall weeds now. Rumors about the yard include everything from children supposedly walking in the yard and never coming back, buffalo sightings, and bear traps. What the children and the rest of the neighborhood don't know is that he doesn't really live there. His 105 year old blind grandmother lives there. He is her only relative and he shows up to take care of her. She doesn't know how bad the house looks nor does she care and she doesn't want him spending his money to fix it up. Experimental-Curiosity Man aka Mr. Way Too Much Spare Time-recognized as the guy who's house sometimes flickers with light in the middle of the night and sometimes explosions come from his garage. This would be Chris Cornell. A quiet individual who usually doesn't socialize much except when knocking on a neighbor's door at 2am to ask if he could borrow a fire extinguisher. He means well. He always thinks that his "experiments" are the next big thing. He's working on all the waves of the future. His basement is littered with blueprints of some inventions that Albert Einstein couldn't figure out. His patient and brave wife Susan recognizes when he's fixing to have a brainstorm so she makes herself scarce by suddenly remembering something they need from the store or going to a friend's house to help her pick out a dress. In reality she's notifying the local fire dept. and paramedics that Chris is at it again and they should be on stand-by. His injuries never amount to anything more than minor burns, fractures, and the occasional electrocution. This is a new thread in my opinion. How do you relate the men of Soundgarden to people you encounter?? If they were in the crowd who would they be?? May Soundgarden be with you. Rebekah BTW, this was meant to be humorous and most likely familiar to everyone. ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 67] ***************************************