From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 12 Mar 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 03:08:06 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 12 Mar 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: Pump Up the Volume Down Under on the Upside review RE: Pump up the volume Re: bloody murder is the best I've heard her scream... Warning: Tested On Animals! Re: New album RE: Well if there was a new album.................. what ever happened to badmotorfinger SG obsession sg Re: what ever happened to badmotorfinger Ben Sheperd Fluttergirl?? Push CD If you plant ice, you will harvest wind You drive WHAT Chris?? Re: You drive WHAT Chris?? Re: You drive WHAT Chris?? Re: You drive WHAT Chris?? Re: You drive WHAT Chris?? Hunger Strike Re: ...and out your mother ...and out your mother Re: You drive WHAT Chris?? Re: You drive WHAT Chris?? Re: You drive WHAT Chris?? CHRIS'S # Is this the Soundgarden Mailing List? Re: CHRIS'S # Re: Chris and Susan Re: Chris vs.... And in this corner...Zach De La Rocha -and- bodliy fluids Zach vs Chris Re: CHRIS'S # Re: Is this the Soundgarden Mailing List? Re: Is this the Soundgarden Mailing List? soundgarden singles box ??? Re: You drive WHAT Chris?? Chris vs.... RE: Savage Garden.....almost reduces me to tears, Mandy!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: Pump Up the Volume In a message dated 97-03-10 19:03:04 EST, SndGrdn45@aol.com writes: << I saw the movie "Pump up the Volume" the other day. Soundgarden is on the soundtrack. I know this movie's a few years old, but does anyone know what song is on the soundtrack? Thanks. >> It's "Heretic" isn't it? Lance ------------------------------ From: sknauf@HK.Super.NET Subject: Down Under on the Upside review Found this in a magazine someone from New Zealand sent me: - --------------------------------------------------------------- So you bought Soundgarden's latest album when it was first released months ago and now you find it's been re-issued with a bonus six-track CD as a limited edition to mark the recent Big Day Out tour. This happened to me recently with Leftfield's Leftism album; The week after I bought it, out it came again with a bonus disc of remixes. Great that the extra tracks have been made available but hard on the fan who bought the album in its original form. So what do all you first-in Soundgarden fans miss out on? The bonus track has 'Jerry Garcia's Finger', an original demo of 'Birth Ritual', the video version of 'Fell on Black Days' and a remix of 'Dusty'. Unless you're such a fanatic you have to collect everything by Soundgarden, you could probably live without these tracks, but it's still a nice little disc to have. The real winners are those who have just recently taken an interest in Soundgarden and are only just getting around to buying their last album. A worthy bonus. But for the real fan it just means buying the album for a second time.... - ---------------------------------------------------------------- sabrina ------------------------------ From: Peter Taylor Subject: RE: Pump up the volume I know I'm stateing the obvious, but soundgarden also have songs on the soundtrake for sfw and the basketball diaries. Nicky ------------------------------ From: tonerkin Subject: Re: bloody murder is the best I've heard her scream... >Blind Dog wrote: > well, even though my own motivation to buy the lolla '92 boot was >different to your's toni , Oh! come on Justin! Don't tell me you don't "enjoy" a nice sweaty Chris picture now and again!!! > before the "fuck the police" bridge: " remember that you're not >singing about wanting to kill somebody. you're just singing for your >rights..." I do have this particular recording on tape. Thanks to Mistress Shroom. and last summer while I was outside painting my back porch I had the tape in and when it got to the above mentioned bridge I had to turn the volume way down. We have many of Chicago's finest in our neighborhood and I just don't think it is such a good idea to play "fuck the police" at max. volume. There might be some reprecussions. I wouldn't even play a song out loud that says "fuck the plumber" you never know when you might need those guys too!!!! > I hope that serves as a good intro to the cd, toni. I would dub >it for you, but I have too much on my plate at the moment as it is. Thanks Justin, I have had a couple offers to tape it. toni ------------------------------ From: Seth Subject: Warning: Tested On Animals! In a very unofficial experiment, I found that exposing my bassett hound to high amounts of Badmotorfinger and Ultramega OK (anything bassy, really) causes her to promptly fall asleep in front of the subwoofer. I have no conclusion for this except that she is kind of mental, and must enjoy the vibration. NOTE: It has also been found that playing Soundgarden has been known to cause the psychic newt (read: #25) to break into song, although no explanation has been derived as of yet. The present hypothesis states that many animals instinctively know what is cool and what is not. I tend to agree with this statement, but I need to research it further by listening to more Soundgarden. Smile y'all Seth W. (different) P.S. No #2 pencils were hurt or killed in the process of this experiment. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: New album From: Ben Timberlake >anybody hear any news on a new album being released within the next >year.Also is there any plans to release a box set with all of their >unreleased material on it. Yes, the new album, entitled "MisterBunchyPants" is set to come out in late fall. Here's what Kim said about it in a little blurb in the April Spin: "This album is going to be almost all acoustic. Also, Chris only sings on about one or two songs. For the rest of them, we use kitchen appliances as the lead vocals. None of us did any of the writing either, all the songs were written by Gavin Rossdale and Jason Everman... This is definitely not the same 'Soundgarden Sound' fans are used to. We've really played up the influence Yanni and the Spice Girls have had on our music." As for the box set, don't you already have it? It's got all their B-sides and about 10 previously unreleased tracks. Check at your record store for "UltraLouderthanBadUnkownUpsideBenIsFullOfShit" ever helpful, Obi-wan (Ben) Kenobi Ben Timberlake Mistah Kurtz - he dead Northwestern University Medill School of Journalism pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~bft718 btimlake@nwu.edu -30- "This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends -- T.S. Eliot, Not with a bang but a whimper" "The Hollow Men" ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: RE: Well if there was a new album.................. This is probably totally stupid, but if there was a new album, Does anyone have any title suggestions?????????? I think they should bring back Louder Than Fuck! Lance "Searching for the ground...........with my good eye closed" ------------------------------ From: frbpollock@schoollink.com (Billy Pollock) Subject: what ever happened to badmotorfinger I realize that soundgarden changes with every single album but to go from the riffs of louder than love to the wicked hardcore sound of bad and then mellow almost completely out for super makes me think.does it make any body else ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: SG obsession - -------------- You know your obsessed with Soundgarden (or Chris) when: You send Chris your favorite book thinking he might like to read it on the long and boring plane ride back to Seattle from Hawaii. (it waited at Silver Mgmt...probably in a pile with all the other special gifts fans have sent) You wonder if he ever read it or even liked it. You even made him a special hand made book mark out of match book covers with a poem you wrote about Chris on it and your phone number hoping maybe he might get drunk some night and call you if your lucky. (so far no luck) Then you think that maybe you have a mental problem and your afraid KOTS thinks you do too based on all the stupid shit youve wrote to them over the years. (you didnt mean to say all that stuff, it just kinda happened that way). You never run out of things to post to SOMMS about. Although learning french just to read a Soundgarden magazine article has me beat UK Deb! =) (but that would be kinda fun) Carol - --o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o ------------------------------ From: KENNY BECKWITH <"beckwith@gte.net"@gte.net> Subject: sg I seem to recall hearing somewhere too about SG putting out a box set of b-sides for all us U.S followers. I would be extremly happy with that prospect considering all of the singles I would have to end up buying just to get these b-sides. I wonder if the box set would include the remixes or different versions of the songs that are on the albums? Lisa B ------------------------------ From: Rita Bonofiglio Subject: Re: what ever happened to badmotorfinger On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Billy Pollock wrote: > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:19:42 -0600 > From: Billy Pollock > To: somms@MIT.EDU > Subject: what ever happened to badmotorfinger > > I realize that soundgarden changes with every single album but to go from > the riffs of louder than love to the wicked hardcore sound of bad and then > mellow almost completely out for super makes me think.does it make any body else > hmmmm, what exactly does it make you think about? it makes me think that as songwriters they have evolved...i hope your not thinking the dreaded words "sell out" ...if every album sounded like badmotorfinger no matter how spectacular it is, we'd be really bored... wow, what a pointless message i just wrote...but i've been itching to post and since i can't find any soundgarden boots in toronto and since i know nothing about billy corgan's lyrics, well you could see why i've had nothing to say... - -----rita b. "parents were horrified at the idea of smack, crack and pot..." ~~~david letterman on a rejected ad campaign for rice krispies..get it? get it? snap crackle pop..ah nevermind...~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: frbpollock@schoollink.com (Billy Pollock) Subject: Ben Sheperd Chris is giving too much freedom to Ben and it's not entirely working out. I have Hater and the Sheperd songs are very reminiscent of Dotu. If anyone else feels the same way or if they want to mgripe about why Thayil isn't writing songs anymore, write me. Matt is the greatest drummer in the world ------------------------------ From: "ANDRI NADZRI" Subject: Fluttergirl?? Hi..... can anyone help me out on this one... Does anyone know the tabs for Fluttergirl and BIMH in standard tuning? i'm not much of a good guitar player..but i do play some pretty good SG songs(JCP is a killerr!!!) Please email me privately... And...for a UnSG content(sorry..:)) Does anyone know whether there will be a Lollapalooza this year? and what bands are in it anyway?? "Would you lie for me?" Andri - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Jennifer Kern Subject: Push CD I'm sorry for sending this to the list, I forgot who had written it. I have the "Push" CD and would be happy to copy it for ya. My father went to Singapore last fall and knowing I am a SG fan, picked it up for me. He paid and ungodly amount (which I personally NEVER would have forked over--but what can I say, but thanks Dad!) SO, because of the sickening, ridiculous, high price of bootlegs, I feel the correct thing to do is pass it on to whomever wants it, so send me a tape, and consider it yours. JEN ------------------------------ From: "Anna Mehrer" Subject: If you plant ice, you will harvest wind What's up with this: it's 4:20 and it's the fourth Soundgarden song I've = heard on the radio today--woopeeee!! Regarding bootlegs: I think they're wonderful. Regarding SP: Seeing them live in '93 really ruined it for me. Also--just a quick question: how much of an influence did Husker Du's = music have on Soundgarden? Any ideas? If you have chicago helmet tickets, e-mail me--pleeeeeaaaase!!!i'll buy Thanks, Anna ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: You drive WHAT Chris?? Sabrina wrote: >So to whomever first posted about this: the roadcrew was either=20 >pulling your leg, or Chris seriously thinks he has Susan's birthdate=20 >on his arm, and got himself one hell of an illiterate tattoo artist....=20 >or he just wants everyone to believe it's Susan's birthdate, 'cos in=20 >reality it says "I love Shroom" in Arabic ;-) and he doesn't want a divo= rce. Ahhh, well that makes ALOT more sense. See... I TOLD you people that one= day Chris would come to his senses and realize... uh... never mind. That's t= oo inane for even me to consider. ;-) But hey... a girl can fantasize, can= 't she? ;-) Thanks Sabrina! Fiona wrote: >In a radio interview Chris C did whilst in Melbourne, (that I am in=20 >the process of sending to Seth) he talks a little about the naming of=20 >DOTU. I'll try to complete it soon b/c it gets real strange and=20 >interesting towards the end!! - Shroom, only been on this list a=20 >while, but I can guarantee you'll love it ;) What is this?? Something that *I* will love? Hmmm... that means that it must contain some element of Chris talking dirty or silly. I prefer dirt= y, but I'll settle for silly. Is this up on the page yet? I'm so woefully behind on all my mail and checking out web sites.... *sigh*. It's those folks in #somms. They're constantly distracting me. Ummm... but I *did* manage to check out the NEWLY UPDATED Hater page! My, what an interestin= g picture of Ben with his shirt torn. That was a totally groovy concert. = May the Screaming Trees show be half as exciting. ;-) Christy wrote: >I wonder where you may have heard this...but I believe that >Chris & Susan DO NOT have matching Mustangs....=20 >I think that you've got it alittle backwards... >Susan & Chris own two Ford Explorers! :D And...Chris is the one who=20 >drives the Mustang. Actually, word on the street is that Chris is now driving the Oscar Meyer Weinermobile. When questioned about this startling rumor, Silver Managem= ent gave this hootchie a stern "NO COMMENT." So I guess that means it's true= ... heheheh... More later, kiddies... Shroom "Shroom, take off all of your clothes, lay down, and do everything the ni= ce rockstar tells you to." ~ Chris Cornell "Hey Shroom... Dave (Navarro) and I will be waiting in the hot tub. Hurr= y, or we'll be forced to start without you..." ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer Shroom Girl, Inc. =99 '97 ------------------------------ From: Jean Bruns Subject: Re: You drive WHAT Chris?? ShRooMGrLz wrote: >Actually, word on the street is that Chris is now driving the Oscar Meyer >Weinermobile. ROTFLOL!!! oh, my! this image is quite outrageous! now all we need is mr ed ved riding shotgun (pls excuse the expression!) :D too much! jean ------------------------------ Subject: Re: You drive WHAT Chris?? From: seth > >In a radio interview Chris C did whilst in Melbourne, (that I am in > >the process of sending to Seth) he talks a little about the naming of... > > What is this?? Something that *I* will love? Hmmm... that means that it > must contain some element of Chris talking dirty or silly. I prefer dirty, > but I'll settle for silly. Is this up on the page yet? Yes, the radio interview that Fiona transcribed is now on the page (my boss wasn't in today, so I spent my time at work productively). http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/misc/radio_1-30-97.html seth PS - Now the word is that the site is staying where it is, no URL change, but that the sgi.net folks are ordering another new server. *shrug* ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: Re: You drive WHAT Chris?? >ShRooMGrLz wrote: > >>Actually, word on the street is that Chris is now driving the Oscar Meyer >>Weinermobile. > >ROTFLOL!!! >oh, my! this image is quite outrageous! now all we need is mr ed ved riding >shotgun (pls excuse the expression!) :D > >too much! > >jean Hey, did you know that the band drives the (Scooby Doo)'Mystery Machine' van while touring sometimes? This is only because they solve mysteries in their spare time. For example: They were the first to find out Eddie Vedder was a vampire, but they keep this info on the down low. They also found out Chris Cornell is the devil himself, but they try to keep this information hidden. Remember the intro to Searching With My Eye Closed with all the barnyard sounds? Ya gotta wonder... On a recent episode, they found out that Shroom was having a secret affair with a basketball star that is on E. Vedder's favorite team(Dennis Rodman guest stars.) heheheheh.... @~^ RoseeMisst ^~@ ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: Re: You drive WHAT Chris?? >PS - Now the word is that the site is staying where it is, no URL >change, but that the sgi.net folks are ordering another new server. >*shrug* I'm down with that. You probably noticed that I didn't put in any responses to the URL change. It would just be another address I would have to memorize.(And Dena's shirts won't suffer, either.) @~^ RoseeMisst ^~@ ------------------------------ From: Jentje Subject: Hunger Strike I finally saw Hunger Strike!!! Not just part of it, but the whole video (about time don't you think???). This is the best, I've often sent requests for it on MuchMusic's RSVP for the past five months, and they finally played it today!!!! I'm so happy. Chris looks absolutely dee-licious and Eddie looked, well...like Eddie :) Toodles!!! ~>a very happy Jenn ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Re: ...and out your mother hot tip: look for more of kim's work on the next record bets>. I feel that a new album is still faraway, maybe a new home video? It would be nice, and as for a b-sides album, maybe they can do one like that band that recently released one but I refuse to mention their name because they have been discussed to much recently. Hey maybe SG could release an anthology?? I'd give anything to hear the earliest ver of JCP. But back to the b-sides thing, yeah it would save us alot of money from dishing out 10 bucks for an import single that contains 1 song. I'm still kicking myself for bying the pretty noose single that had Jerry garcias finger. And it turned out to be an instrumentle. damn. Dave ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: ...and out your mother On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Billy Pollock wrote: > else feels the same way or if they want to mgripe about why Thayil isn't > writing songs anymore, write me. kim *is* still writing songs, billy. the reason that they weren't on dotu is because they weren't complete, or at least as complete as other member's songs. 'never the machine forever' would have also been left off the record if kim hadn't hunkered down and written the lyrics himself. hot tip: look for more of kim's work on the next record . ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: You drive WHAT Chris?? On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, RoseeMisst wrote: > >ShRooMGrLz wrote: > > > >>Actually, word on the street is that Chris is now driving the Oscar Meyer > >>Weinermobile. > > > Hey, did you know that the band drives the (Scooby Doo)'Mystery Machine' > van while touring sometimes? This is only because they solve mysteries in > their spare time. For example: no! you have it ALL wrong! i have it from my super-secret sources (my cousin's sisters's brother's friend lives next door from the guy who used to live down the street from the guy who used to cut the hair of this barista who worked on the same block as someone who once walked by silver management's front door) that the members of soundgarden all drive *clown cars*. you know, those little cars, you can fit a lot of people into them? chris has a red one, ben has a green one with the roof cut off, kim has a purple one, matt has a yellow one, and susan recently ordered some for her entire office - erin haley also has a red one with a sunroof so that you can see her lovely hat while she drives. and for those of you who question my information -- you've obviously never tried to park a car in downtown seattle! with this new measure, instituted by susan silver, she can fit three cars into the space normally taken up by one. think of the savings at the end of the month! she's not soundgarden's manager for nothing! *ahem* - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: You drive WHAT Chris?? On Tue, 11 Mar 1997 ShRooMGrLz@aol.com wrote: > Actually, word on the street is that Chris is now driving the Oscar Meyer > Weinermobile. When questioned about this startling rumor, Silver Management > gave this hootchie a stern "NO COMMENT." So I guess that means it's true.... nononono.... the weinermobile is being driven by one seth a. perlman. this is his 'day job'. i know, you thought he was off being a web geek, but what you also don't know that seth has already masted the secret to human cloning and has a stable of saperl drones there to do his bidding, his scanning, his html, his perl, his laundry, placate his girlfriend, while the REAL mr. perlman is out driving said mobile. don't believe me? it was parked in cambridge last night right near where seth lives. right in front of the grocery store. i have my sources. ;-> - --c. ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: You drive WHAT Chris?? I heard Perlman STOLE said Weinermobile, and that it's in a Boston-area chop shop as we speak. Apparently there is a huge black market for Weinermobile parts. He's gotta pay for all that RAM and the latest version of Photoshop somehow. . And about the clown car thing...it's all true. Soundgarden did the DOTU tour and Lolla in ONE clown car. Think about it. It can fit the band, roadies, equipment, and the rest of the entourage. And it's economical! Rumour has it that J.P Patches is the new driver for the band. Clowns are funny ------------------------------ From: java4u@sos.net Subject: CHRIS'S # Hey Everyone! I just got done talking to my friend and apparantly he got Chris's phone number, how I don't know!???! I asked her how but I guess she's not that big of a SG fan so she didn't ask! But her cousin ended up talking to one of Chris's brother for quite a while! And the great thing is that I'm getting hooked up with her cousin, and he's become really good friends with Chris's brother. And we all know what this means, I just might get to meet Chris real soon, maybe even as soon as Spring break! I'll keep you all posted! Later, Rachel Peace, Love & Empathy ------------------------------ From: The Opon Family Subject: Is this the Soundgarden Mailing List? Caryn wrote: > my point? you don't like smashing pumpkins? good for you. you think taht > soundgarden is the ultimate band of all time? good for you! but do NOT > fucking continue to trash every other band out there that does not speak to > you personally. Excuse me, but isn't this the Soundgarden mailing list? What exactly did you expect to hear here Caryn? I would have been surprised and frankly disappointed if everyone started raving about how much they love Smashing Pumpkins. I thought Lorraine's post was far from offensive. I found it to be well thought out and it expressed much of what I myself feel about Soundgarden. > i *adore* soundgarden, > those of you here who have read the reviews i have written know that they > speak to my heart and how. but they will never do for me what pearl jam do, > or patti smith, or the who, or r.e.m., the rolling stones, or what the many > other bands who share my heart do. Although Caryn has a multitude of "favorite" bands, Soundgarden is far and away my #1 favorite, and has been for almost 7 years. This doesn't mean I don't like other music or that I think SG write the best music and/or lyrics "of all time" or that they are the most talented people "of all time". All it means is that for some reason they speak to my soul. People on the SG mailing list should not have to defend themselves for preferring SG. When I joined this list I thought "My God, finally a place where I can talk openly about my feelings for SG and not draw blank stares or open hostility". It really pisses me off that another member of the list would do the very things I was trying to get away from. While I agree that we shouldn't compare bands (or any other form of artistic expression) on a level of "who is the best", I don't think you should expect all kinds of support for your other favorites from the people on this list. I have always liked Aerosmith, a band that is often cut down on the list. But, since this isn't the Aerosmith mailing list, I don't get all up in arms about it. I can't resist putting icing on the cake, so please read on... Personally I WILL NOT LISTEN TO SMASHING PUMPKINS AND I AM PHYSICALLY REPULSED BY BILLY CORGAN. That, of course, is only my opinion. Kathie ------------------------------ From: Rita Bonofiglio Subject: Re: CHRIS'S # On Tue, 11 Mar 1997 java4u@sos.net wrote: > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:39:03 -0800 > From: java4u@sos.net > To: SOMMS@MIT.EDU > Subject: CHRIS'S # > > Hey Everyone! > > I just got done talking to my friend and apparantly he got Chris's phone > number, how I don't know!???! > > QUESTION FOR ALL>>>> if YOU had chris'(or anyone of them, or any other famous person you adore, but since this is a sg list, we'll stick to the boys) phone number, would you actually call? and if so, what would you say? me, well i don't think i could call, i don't even think i would want to...there is a line (IMHO) between "rock stars" (famous people in general) and fans...diving into the private part of their life just seems awkward to me, and i'm sure it is for them too...they do all they need to do for us when they make records and perform shows. PLEASE NOTE!!!!!!! this is in NO WAY a flame, or an insult or intended to come across mean spirited....if any of you decide you would call, FANTASTIC..this is just MY OPINION? ok? ;)!! i love everyone! - -----rita b. ------------------------------ From: Just Us Subject: Re: Chris and Susan Stacy wrote: > > Chris seems like a total alien to the "celebrity scene". > > You really think so Kathie, he probably wouldn't be quite as marketable if > he was. He didn't seem quite so alienated in "Detail" magazine, or any of > the other magazine articles or interviews that I've seen or read. He's a > celebrity, he has to be, it wouldn't be music otherwise. Actually I think what makes Chris "marketable" has nothing to do with being comfortable with being a celebrity - quite the contrary. I do think his image has been very carefully developed and promoted, but that's where Susan and Silver Management come in. The point I was trying to make was that the "image" is not necessarily the man - the image was developed and promoted by a talented manager. I really think we underestimate the influence of management here, thinking the band does all this stuff on their own. Hasn't anyone here ever done anything at work that they really didn't agree with 100%, but that they were told to do by management? As caryn pointed out, the fact that Chris and Susan are married does not change the fact that she is his manager. Teresa said: > I don't think Susan > would want to be thought of as domineering,I know I wouldn't find it > flattering myself. I believe I referred to my mother as domineering, but the fact that you find the term so unflattering just shows how differently we view men and women as far as business goes. A domineering man would probably be seen as "powerful" where a domineering woman is seen as a "bitch". In order to be as successful as she is I'll bet Susan has had to be more than domineering. So for all the Saint Susan talk of late I imagine Susan has had to do some ball breaking to get to where she is, not to mention getting the bands she manages to where they are. Unfortunately in our male-dominated society that's usually the only way to do it (sorry guys). Of course I don't know the woman, so I could be dead wrong. I just think we sell her short by pretending she's this nicey-nicey person when she's probably one of the most powerful women in music today (I'm sure someone will let me know if I am wrong on this one). I'm not cutting her down. And in her personal life she's probably a sweetheart, but as a business woman she's gotta be tough as nails. Kathie ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Re: Chris vs.... Billy wrote: > > Seeing as Chris vs. Billy Corgan stayed talked about for a while, I > thought I'd suggest another challenger for Chris. How does Zach De La > Rocha of Rage Against the Machine compare? I'm really interested to hear > everyone's response! No comparison there. Zach is more of the politcal lyricist. The most politcal song Chris ever wrote would have to be Slaves&Bulldozers, thats directed more to the record indusrty types. Since you are looking for a challenge how about Chris vs Perry Ferrel, now both are gifted writers. Both are more on the poetic side, actually Perry is more poetic than Chris, but I dont want to go anywhere, it is good to debate on such things, each writer in there own right is good, but you can never compare the two artist's. Or put any one on the level, I'm sure each fan puts there favorite artist on a pedestal anyway. And there hardly is room for another. Dave ------------------------------ From: Rita Bonofiglio Subject: And in this corner...Zach De La Rocha -and- bodliy fluids On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Billy wrote: > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:57:42 -0800 > From: Billy > To: Your Real Name > Cc: somms@MIT.EDU > Subject: Chris vs.... > > Seeing as Chris vs. Billy Corgan stayed talked about for a while, I > thought I'd suggest another challenger for Chris. How does Zach De La > Rocha of Rage Against the Machine compare? I'm really interested to hear > everyone's response! > god, i am on a role today... i think chris' lyrics and zach's are so different that it would not even be fair to put them in the same ring...not because one is better than the other, just *extremely* different...a different level of writing..boy, this one is tough...reeeeealllllyy tough...tough like it will keep me up thinking all night tough. let me conclude like this...chris is best at the lyrics he writes...zach is best at the lyrics he writes...what a cop out answer!! i would like to add a "you know your obsessed..." if i may...when one of the members (no names please) spits on you, and your HONORED--->think about it people..spit(!) he SPIT on you, thats pretty degrading! but in the world of obsession, we would all carry chris to the bathroom right? (i read that is some article..)so what's a little spit among the numerous bodily fluids that we would be willing to...jesus, this could get pretty nasty and considering i am tired and silly on cough syrup, i will shut the hell up. au revior - -----rita b. ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Zach vs Chris I'm sorry I have to post one more time tonight, but hte Zach vs Chris thing got to me. Heres how I have to put it. To compare both of their lyrics, you would have to compare them on the same level, and there not at the same level. They write about different things, and Zach altogether is a sifferent kind of writer. Being that he is more of the political writer. Chris on the other hand is more of a personal and poetic writer. Zach writes about how bad the governments and the cops and whatever armies from another country I cant think of, right now are. Chris tends to write about black hole suns, overfloating and days he tried to live and girls that are aging (Flower). Simply rage is a political band that wants to and does, get their message across. Soundgarden is a band that wants to please themselves musically and rock the stuffing out of us. In my own opinion and how those to band pretain to my musical taste, they are equally good at what they do and how they do it. Thank you and goodnight Dave ------------------------------ From: Tiffany Saint Subject: Re: CHRIS'S # On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Rita Bonofiglio wrote: > QUESTION FOR ALL>>>> if YOU had chris'(or anyone of them, or any other > famous person you adore, but since this is a sg list, we'll stick to the > boys) phone number, would you actually call? and if so, what would you > say? me, well i don't think i could call, i don't even think i would want Unless I had a legitimate reason for calling, I don't think I would invade his privacy that way. I would try pretty damn hard to come up with a legitimate reason to call if I had the phone number though... - ----- Experimental Media Research Laboratory, Northern California For more Information, http://emrl.com or email INFO@EMRL.COM. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Is this the Soundgarden Mailing List? From: seth > Excuse me, but isn't this the Soundgarden mailing list? What exactly did > you expect to hear here Caryn? I would have been surprised and frankly > disappointed if everyone started raving about how much they love > Smashing Pumpkins. Yes, this is the Soundgarden mailing list. The point is this: many people (I'm guessing that perhaps it is even the majority of people) on this list consider Soundgarden to be their favorite band. That's great. However, when you are stating that Soundgarden is your favorite, Soundgarden is great, Soundgarden is the best band in the universe, or whatever, it doesn't make Soundgarden favoriter or greater or bester when you stick in a "Smashing Pumpkins suck" comment. In other words, cutting down another band does not make Soundgarden any better. It just generates unnecessary, non-SG-related traffic, because people then see it fit to continue a discussion not just about Soundgarden, but also about whatever band got cut down. > People on the SG mailing list should not have to defend themselves > for preferring SG. No, of course not, but preferring SG is not best expressed by stating a dislike for other bands. > While I agree that we shouldn't compare bands (or any other form of > artistic expression) on a level of "who is the best", I don't think you > should expect all kinds of support for your other favorites from the > people on this list. I don't think other favorites should be the focus of discussion. If someone mentions another band, feel free to email that person *privately* and express your agreement or disagreement. This message is not directed specifically at Kathie -- it's directed at everyone. seth ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Is this the Soundgarden Mailing List? On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, The Opon Family wrote: > Excuse me, but isn't this the Soundgarden mailing list? What exactly did > you expect to hear here Caryn? I would have been surprised and frankly > disappointed if everyone started raving about how much they love > Smashing Pumpkins. I thought Lorraine's post was far from offensive. I > found it to be well thought out and it expressed much of what I myself > feel about Soundgarden. this list should talk and rave about soundgarden, but not to the extent where you are being offensive to music that other people might love as much as you do soundgarden. which is what happened with the original post that started this whole diatribe. > Although Caryn has a multitude of "favorite" bands, Soundgarden is far > and away my #1 favorite, and has been for almost 7 years. yes -- i admit it. I am a lesser mortal, i am not a worthy soundgarden fan. how DARE you dismiss my love for the bands i listed. how DARE you. you cannot even begin to KNOW what those bands have done for me. patti smith saved my fucking life, quite literally. so fucking what soundgarden is the only band you care about? that makes you, or or your opinion, more valid than mine? that's fine. i could care less. this sentiment is really pointless, kathie. then again, i know you don't consider seth a "worthy" soundgarden fan either, so i know i'm in good company. > This doesn't > mean I don't like other music or that I think SG write the best music > and/or lyrics "of all time" or that they are the most talented people > "of all time". All it means is that for some reason they speak to my > soul. People on the SG mailing list should not have to defend themselves > for preferring SG. When I joined this list I thought "My God, finally a > place where I can talk openly about my feelings for SG and not draw > blank stares or open hostility". It really pisses me off that another > member of the list would do the very things I was trying to get away > from. talk about how great soundgarden is and i will sit here and read it with great interest. start trashing other bands -- not *comparing*, i mean *trashing* -- and i would say that it is pointles and have no place here. > Personally I WILL NOT LISTEN TO SMASHING PUMPKINS AND I AM PHYSICALLY > REPULSED BY BILLY CORGAN. oh, that added a lot to the discussion. thank you for sharing. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: RachelMak@aol.com Subject: soundgarden singles box ??? Today i saw a Soundgarden CD box for sale. Has anyone seen this ? Its a cardboard box, with the Soundgarden symbol on the cover, and it also came with the BHS single. Then, on the sticker it said : this box is made for superunknown singles only, for ordering other soundgarden singles, see details inside. What other singles ??? Has anyone bought this ??? rachel :) ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Re: You drive WHAT Chris?? At 05:50 PM 3/11/97 -0800, Caryn Rose wrote:> >nononono.... the weinermobile is being driven by one seth a. perlman. > >don't believe me? it was parked in cambridge last night right near where >seth lives. right in front of the grocery store. i have my sources. ;-> Yeah, like it's any secret here in Cambridge! Everyone here knows Seth and his, shall we say, 'idiosyncrasies'. I hear MIT is getting tired of his antics, and may kick him out this June. Nate ------------------------------ From: Billy Subject: Chris vs.... Seeing as Chris vs. Billy Corgan stayed talked about for a while, I thought I'd suggest another challenger for Chris. How does Zach De La Rocha of Rage Against the Machine compare? I'm really interested to hear everyone's response! ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: Savage Garden.....almost reduces me to tears, Mandy!!!! On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, me wrote: > I recently looked at the top 20 singles chart, and came upon a band = that > goes by the name "Savage Garden" there single is at number 16. Does = any > one know anything about this band. Mandy responded: Savage Garden are getting airplay in America??? My god! Savage Garden = are=20 an Australian band from Brisbane, very poppy and nothing like = Soundgarden.=20 Nice to see an Oz band getting some air play though. Oh SHIT! Are you really telling me that band is Australian?????? = [hiding my head in shame] Almost makes me wanna cry. I'd go further = than to say "very poppy" (I'd call POTUSA that, and IMHO they are a cool = band). I'd say "very sappy, teeny-bopperish, lovey-dovey, = sickly-sweet!" :-# But [sigh], I agree with you Mandy, that it's good to know an Oz band is = getting some airplay overseas............ With only 140 unread Somms posts to go, it's Carolyn the Modern Filmstar And it feels like heaven is so far away......The Offspring ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 64] ***************************************