From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 10 Mar 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:43:15 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Monday, 10 Mar 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re:Grooooooooovy stuff... Chris vs. Billy - the final word :) Bootleg Trading Page That symbol blah Boots vs. Taping You know you're obsessed with Soundgarden when... Who wears the pants? Re: Chris vs. Billy - the final word :) Chris's mustang! Chris' car. all these years will not begin... Soundgarden in the Hall of the Mountain King Re: Who wears the pants? Re: SG Rocktoon! Re: rocktoons Re: Chris vs. Billy - the final word :) you can feel it in your bones... MisterBunchyPants concert contest !!!!COP THIS!!!! RE:drowned in shark fins... ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Re:Grooooooooovy stuff... Shroom wrote > Susan would have the original Chris, and we >would have CCCC's. (Carbon Copy Chris Cornell's) =20 Would that be bootlegged clones or should we start a clone tree? :-) UKDeb ------------------------------ From: merlin Subject: Chris vs. Billy - the final word :) hey all..... well, looks as if we've reached the tail-end of the Cornell vs. Corgan/ lyrics/poetry/personal meaning debate and moved on to bootlegs (which i wish i had more to to say about, but i hadn't given it much thought previously, and don't even own many, and the ones i do have i got for free). so i thought i'd offer my final (probably) comments on the matter. somebody said that they think Sg's lyrics reflect more about peoples' thoughts, etc. than SP, and that Sg's more likely to be popular 20 or so years from now. the extent of which i can comment on SP is limited, b/c i don't own any of their albums, haven't heard their entire body of work, whatever. but what i have heard, *i* wouldn't consider classic or timeless. Sg does transcend time and everything else. i know people from all generations and walks of life who love Sg and can identify w/ their music. and they've got everything - 4 extremely gifted musicians, one of the greatest singers ever in rock, originality (there's no one else out there like Sg, and never has been), creativity... and they're *real*. they've never followed any trend or tried to please the masses. they make music for themselves, b/c they love it. i've never trashed SP or billy corgan, and i'm not saying corgan doesn't have any talent. i've gotta give him some credit - some of his songs do appeal to me, and a few hours ago i got done watching THE GREATEST solo artist of all time (imo, *of course*) - David Bowie's 50th birthday concert, and billy performed the encore w/ him - he played on "All the Young Dudes" and "Jean Genie." and i wouldn't go so far as to say i was impressed (by billy), but, well, like i said - i do have to give him *some* credit. but still, he doesn't even compare to Chris. . . and never could. that's all for now... ~Lorraine "so I drink in the shadows of an evening sky. . . . ." ~David Bowie ------------------------------ From: "Jason Thompson" Subject: Bootleg Trading Page I received quite a few responses about the bootleg trading page, all of which were positive. I've set up an account through tripod as Caryn suggested and the page will be up shortly. I will only have 2 megs to start with, so the pages will be mainly text. The page will have lists of every traders Soundgarden shows and a list of other bands that they trade for(but not their shows as space is limited). It will have email links to all traders on the page also. What I need now is for everyone who wants to get involved to mail me their trade lists so I can post them on the page. Please use the following as a guideline when you send your list to me. Name:John Doe EMail:JohnDoe@whatever.com Audio : (soundgarden shows only, please) Name of Boot (if it's from a cd) date of show(s) Location Time sound grade Stolen Prayers demos 74:23 A-/B- Full On Kevin's Mom 10/24/89 Providence 70:00 B Video: (soundgarden shows only, please) Description Date Location Time overall grade Lollapalooza 7/92 Seattle 50 min B 11/20/96 Fairfax 105 min A- Other Bands I have bootlegs of: Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc. Other Bands I might trade for: Tool, Alice In Chains Also, newbies are welcome if you are able to make copies of audio or video tapes (this means you have a good dual deck cassete player or two stereo vcr's) If you don't have any shows but you want to be involved, mail me with your name and email address. Once we get the page going, some of us with shows will send newbies one or two tapes. The catch is that you are then expected to duplicate that tape once or twice and send it to other newbies. I have only been trading for a year and a half myself, so any suggestions from experienced traders on how to make this run smoothly are welcome. send your lists and comments to jdt19@csufresno.edu I will post the address of the page when it is up and running, which should be very soon. Later, J ------------------------------ From: sknauf@HK.Super.NET Subject: That symbol I realize, that I've mentioned this to several people, but never posted about it...... At 09:56 AM 3/7/97 +0000, Kristen wrote: >Also, in response to an >inquiry made last week about the meaning of Chris's tattoo-I believe I >read here that it is a Chinese symbol of his wife's birthsign or at >least has something to do with her. Can anyone confirm this ? No, no, no...... it's the Latvian symbol of the phrase "I am God"; Chris is just too modest to have it inked in English. ok, maybe that isn't entirely true, but it's more likely to mean that, than Susan's birthdate in Chinese. I'm sorry to disappoint all the Susan fans out there, but the symbol on Chris' arm *isn't* Susan's or anyone's birthdate in Chinese... it isn't even a date. It isn't a zodiac sign or the Chinese equivalent of the name 'Susan' or a numeral or *anything* in Chinese, and I doubt that any other culture out there would have a different symbol for every date of the year. (For those who care, it isn't even an Asian symbol). So to whomever first posted about this: the roadcrew was either pulling your leg, or Chris seriously thinks he has Susan's birthdate on his arm, and got himself one hell of an illiterate tattoo artist.... or he just wants everyone to believe it's Susan's birthdate, 'cos in reality it says "I love Shroom" in Arabic ;-) and he doesn't want a divorce. sabrina ------------------------------ From: Iodine Subject: blah Well, three years ago yesterday, March 8th, Superunknown was released here in the US..anyone remember that? I remember the radio stations were playing the whole thing the weekend before the release, and so we all had it on tape, and so it wasn't nearly as exciting when the album actually got released as it would have been if we hadn't heard it. Oh well.. Wanna know what I did to 'celebrate' hehe this is really good :) I destroyed the front left end of my car. New York sucks, the weather blows, and since Mother Nature was goodnatured enough to sprinkle three inches of the white shit on good old Albany, I was on my way to see a couple friends and I hit a guardrail...ugh..2k damage. Oh well. Life goes on... BTW, I read on the digest something about Lollapalooza '92 the bootleg..I found it too, and I put it back cuz I hear the sound of that particular boot is so horrible. I'd love to have a copy of SG doing Cop Killer, but..I dunno..I'll pass if the quality isn't all that good..kinda like the Reading version of waiting for the sun..which is the only version I have. It SOUNDS good, except for this one tonedeaf offkey guy singing along..UGH! Where does he live! Besides my best friend is studying to become a cop, so Id feel kinda bad listening to a song called Cop Killer :) Oh, and on the Chris car issue, he USED to drive a Porsche but I heard somewhere that he sold it and he and Susan drive Mustangs and Explorers now..who knows.. ah well, better go get ready for work now. I hate McDonalds *----jawbox--> take me down to the desert sea. i don't want to wait. i want to leech my memory. *----mostly harmless web page--> (bbs.cowland.com/giuseppe) ------------------------------ From: The Opon Family Subject: Boots vs. Taping Caryn said: > if soundgarden wanted to prevent bootlegging, the best thing they could do > would be to openly allow taping of their shows. imagine if they had a > taping section, or allowed tape recorders in... anyone on this list could > bring a tape recorder in, we would all have tapes of shows and NO ONE > would go buy a bootleg. no one would profit off of soundgarden (except > maybe maxell, sony and TDK ;->). we would have tape trees, anyone who > wanted a show could make their own copy, or trade for one easily. Are you by any chance a Grateful Dead fan too? This is what the Grateful Dead did for many years, for different reasons, but it worked. The Dead felt that people had already paid for the show, so if they're there they should be able to take something home with them. And a whole ethic evolved among the fans where it was totally unhip to sell Grateful Dead boots. The only way you could get them was by trading (or as a gift of course). The fan club made advance tickets available by 800 number where people could reserve space in the taping section (or anywhere else, too). Of course the Dead played arenas and had plenty of room for tapers right by the sound board. Perhaps if we took the space the moshers take up now we could make room for tapers at SG shows. I wonder how the band feels about the taping/trading idea. As for current boots, my feelings are mixed. I agree with Caryn in many ways, since now there are SO MANY boots and they are alot more expensive than they were 5 or 6 years ago. On the other hand I agree with Toni too, because there are some old boots out there that give us a chance to hear songs live that SG don't (or very rarely) do live any more. When I first started buying SG stuff I was so anxious to get my hands on anything and everything I could afford that I bought several "imports" which at the time I was too naive to know were actually bootleg recordings. During the last tour alot of people complained that the band wasn't doing any of their old material any more. Well, I have boots from Boston and Seattle 1990 shows that have not only every song from Louder than Love, but two different versions of Beyond the Wheel, Flower, Hunted down, All your Lies, and Nothing to Say. The Seattle one is especially precious to me because it was recorded in September of 1990, right around when I became obsessed with SG. Now I've been lucky enough to have actually heard most of these songs done live, but the majority of this list hasn't, so I do see the value of having these boots and I in no way regret having bought them. I also have a boot of a show from 1992 that has several songs from Badmotorfinger (Searching..., Drawing Flies, Mind Riot, Jesus Christ Pose, Somewhere, and Slaves & Bulldozers) and yet another version of Beyond the Wheel. I think that as the band has gotten more and more popular the bootleg thing has gotten out of hand. I love the idea of tape trees and trading among ourselves rather than supporting some bootlegger. But even if we had started taping during this last tour we wouldn't have gotten all these old songs. I guess what I'm saying is I think people should be very selective in what they buy and not just grab up every bootleg just to say they have it. I feel very fortunate to have been able to get these three old boots, but back then hardly anyone knew who SG was. So there is more involved than just the ethics of the thing. What do you all think? Kathie ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: You know you're obsessed with Soundgarden when... >And do you consider yourself obsessed with Soundgarden? Well, you'll fin=>d >yourself in good company on the "You know you're obsessed with Soundgarde=>n >when..." page. (Also compiled from past digests, so if you posted one...>then it's on this page):>http://members.aol.com/shroomgrlz/obsessed.html This page (and the haikus)is hilarious, shroom (and so familiar)! I'm going to print it out and hand it to my friends, family and colleagues when they tell me I'm deranged :-) For what it's worth, here are my confessions... You know you're obsessed with Soundgarden - - when you read the Cancer horoscope before your own - - when you buy French rock magazines cos Soundgarden are in them and then struggle through them with a dictionary and a french grammar 'because it will improve my colloquial french.' - - when your partner catches your smirking evilly to yourself and when he asks what you're thinking about, you LIE! - - when you buy a scanner just so you can share your Soundgarden pix with other obsessees - - when Seth emails you 'Nice scan!' and it's *almost* as fab as if Chris Cornell were to tell you 'Hey Deb, damn but you're sexy'! - - when the highlight of your weekend in Copenhagen is finding a rock magazine with new pictures of Soundgarden in it - - when the minute you get home from the airport you scan them in and send them to Seth - - when you phone mtv europe to complain cos they banned BUTOW - - when your first trip ever to the States is to Seattle - - when you are willing to pay for your partner's flight too - - when you convince him you have to walk the Foster Island wetlands trail cos you want to see where Chris once hid from his friends in a crevice beneath the overpass - - when you seriously consider crawling into that crevice yourself - - when you meet a guy who is hiring bathroom attendants for the Seattle Planet Hollywood and just for one insane moment... - - when you are such an 'anorak' that you correct Metal Hammer magazine b/c they got one of the answers to their Soundgarden quiz wrong. And you give them a lecture on the Scott Sundquist era. - - when you keep a promotional Soundgarden stick of rock 'just for emergencies' - -when you almost burn your kitchen down cos you've been reading somms - - when people say you don't look your age and you attribute this to the power of Soundgarden - - when Soundgarden looked as if they didn't want to be on stage at Reading and you take it personally - - when you just have to join in a thread that was happening before you even subbed :-) UKDeb ------------------------------ From: The Opon Family Subject: Who wears the pants? After reading all the posts about Chris and Susan at the Grammys (which I didn't bother to watch because I know it's crap) I started getting this picture in my mind. Some people wondered why Chris was the only band member at the show, and a while back many people questioned Chris' decision to do the Details spread. In fact over time people have questioned alot of Chris' decisions. It hit me like a ton of bricks, and all of a sudden I had this image of Chris and Susan next to my own dear mom and dad. My mother is a very strong woman, some may say domineering, and my father pretty much lets her make the decisions - not because he's weak, but because he not only trusts her judgement, but also finds it easier (I think) not to have to make the big decisions. Perhaps this is the case with Chris. Maybe he figures Susan must know what she's doing, so I may as well go along with it. God knows I doubt SG would be where they are today without Susan's management talents (I know, sacrilege, but I bet its true). Chris seems like a total alien to the "celebrity scene". I'm not saying this is a bad thing. And I'm not saying they never disagree on anything. But I'll bet he welcomes her guidance and doesnt' give a shit what anyone else thinks of it (except maybe the other guys in the band). Any comments? Kathie PS: Blind Dog it was good to see posts by you again. I was just thinking about you the other day, wondering why you and some of the other long time list members don't post much any more. ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Chris vs. Billy - the final word :) At 02:29 AM 3/9/97 -0800, merlin wrote: >Sg does transcend time and everything else. i know people from all >generations and walks of life who love Sg and can identify w/ their >music. and they've got everything - 4 extremely gifted musicians, one >of the greatest singers ever in rock, originality (there's no one else >out there like Sg, and never has been), creativity... and they're >*real*. they've never followed any trend or tried to please the >masses. they make music for themselves, b/c they love it. ya know, this is beginning to sound like this drunken argument i had in a bar on fordham road in 1992. the jukebox was playing "remote control" by the clash, which our table had selected, and the table of drunk preppie types next to us took offense that their frickin' bryan adams song was taking so damn long to come up because we had over-fed the jukebox. so, their chosen form of amusement that evening was to trash every band that came on that we got enthusiastic about (the group of about 10 token punk rockers that went to fordham university [i am NOT kidding, it was quite sad actually]). as the music editor of the student newspaper, i was of course selected by our group to do the arguing (i also think i was marginally less drunk). and i kept maintaining to this bunch of buttheads that in ten years, the clash's first album would stand the test of time, would be considered classic, would still be listened to and played and valued. that the clash wrote amazing songs, could combine politics and a good, memorable riff, put one one of the best live shows out there, etc etc etc. (i also had to have this argument with them about U2's "Boy"). my point? you don't like smashing pumpkins? good for you. you think taht soundgarden is the ultimate band of all time? good for you! but do NOT fucking continue to trash every other band out there that does not speak to you personally. just because YOU do not like them does not mean that they do not have worth, or longevity, or that someone doesn't think about them what you think about soundgarden. the criteria you listed above, lorraine, are not unique to soundgarden. there ARE a lot of things that ARE unique to soundgarden and i don't see them listed. what about kim's guitar work, or amazingly creative and original drum parts, funky time signatures, the combination of buttrock and punk rock with thoughtful lyrics? those are some things that no one else has. but that doesn't mean that the other bands are unworthy of even being listened to on the radio, or that sp possesses qualities that sg doesn't. personally, i will still be listening to "cherub rock" as a 'get psyched' song in 10 years, i played it to death when i was a club dj to get myself pumped, and it was the ONE song i wanted to see when they played live. sg is LOUD all over, but the pumpkins raise WALLS of frickin' guitars. it's bloody incredible to witness. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I LIKE ONE BETTER THAN THE OTHER; IT IS JUST DIFFERENT. i like them *both*. to try to say that one band is better than another because of certain criteria that you personally developed is pointless. i *adore* soundgarden, those of you here who have read the reviews i have written know that they speak to my heart and how. but they will never do for me what pearl jam do, or patti smith, or the who, or r.e.m., the rolling stones, or what the many other bands who share my heart do. that does NOT mean that they are better, or worse, or anything else than these other bands. i would NEVER, ever try to compare these bands on a level of "who is the best"... because, frankly, it's juvenile, pointless and doesn't prove anything. you didn't even offer a constructive discussion, like justin did... so can we *really* end this pointless discussion before we continue to offend people on here? - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Brian34295@aol.com Subject: Chris's mustang! In a message dated 97-03-09 15:40:24 EST, you write: << Shroomus informed little me that Chris now drives a MUSTANG!!!!!!! (for me, that's a yuck-I dated a guy with a Mustang, so the memories are irritating.) Anyway, he has one, Susan has one. Shroomy and I bet our lives, well maybe not our LIVES because we're sticking around for that cloning thing to happen), but I'll bet Mariah Carey's life that his Mustang is black. :) >> hey....that is so cool! i drive a mustang, too! it's like my favorite hobby besides music, of course. it's a 94' black gt convertible with the whole saleen body kit added. anyway, are there any pictures floating around that show Chris with his Mustang? I would like to know if his is like mine...or if it is a Saleen version. if anybody knows, i would really appreciate it! that is so cool!! later...... "...we just shake our heads and say, ' I can't believe how fucking good this is.'" Seth Brian34295@aol.com dead to the world ------------------------------ From: Rebekah Henderson Subject: Chris' car. He sold the Porsche, huh? Actually, I'm kinda glad. I never really thought they were attractive cars. And they're so small! He's like 6'2! Where is he putting his legs? Up on the dash? How uncomfortable! :) Mustangs on the other hand are pretty cool. Good looking, in my opinion. And Susan has one too. How sweet. Matching Mustangs. :) Well, whatever! I kinda feel a connection here knowing that they drive cars that I could actually afford. BTW, how did you guys find out about his Mustang and Susan having one too?? Don't hold out on me! :) May Soundgarden be with you. Rebekah ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: all these years will not begin... On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, merlin wrote: > >chris writes less from the first person perspective than billy... > > Nearly every song can I think of written by Chris was written in the > 1st person - meaning he used "I" and not "he," "she," "they," > whatever. But this has nothing to do w/ writing something that's from I'm don't want to persist with this debate, but I just want to clarify. you are right in what you say, lorraine; a majority of chris' writing is in the first person. I just feel that chris is more likely to write or sing about matters that concern the ubiquitous "they" than billy corgan is. while he might use words like "me" or "I", chris seems more comfortable to sing about "you" or "us all". it might be in the first person technically, but his words rarely seem to encounter or relate real one-on-one situations (unlike corgan's). I realise that his more recent writing has changed somewhat, but the nature of his earlier writing (primarily bmf and superunk) leaned more towards societal or universal concepts, not individual or specific ones. maybe his lyrics are just less romantic than corgan's... having said that, I have two quick notes/questions - one, if you are a fan of hater and you haven't visited their unofficial homepage in a while, take a stroll. the page's maintainer (let his name go unsaid) has graciously listed some of the new song names from the upcoming record. perhaps 'how does that grab, darlin'?' is a companion piece to 'blistered'? two, has there been any concrete evidence of the new wwc album sighted by any lister? I know that chris and tad have worked hard to give us what we want, but I've given the release date of march 11 to probably the best import place in town and they still have no idea. mayhap it has been misplaced or set back? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Soundgarden in the Hall of the Mountain King Hey List! Here is a list of *all* the Soundgarden items in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. If you want specific information about an exhibit, scans of the ticket and wrist ID bracelet, directions to the Seattle exhibit or general info on the HoF...email me :-) I don't want to disturb the flame wars presently going on :-) - ----------------------------------------------------------- a video clip of a long haired CC (i'd guess from 1989) singing "I Awake" in the monitor above the Seattle exhibit. a clip of CC riding in a van (face moving toward the camera) from the _Motorvision_ video is included in the 15 minute rock n roll movie documentary in level 4's movie theatre. SUB POP 200 vinyl Hunted Down blue vinyl 7" Deep Six vinyl Coop Soundgarden Poster Soundgarden/Screaming Trees/Tad poster Soundgarden show poster 1987 Chris Cornell's guitar a picture of Chris Cornell from 1969 A Soundgarden Godzilla tshirt (totally fucking cool...i want!!!!) Handwritten 4 page (single side) contract with SUB POP Matt Cameron drumsticks Press Bio 1986 (it said SST on the black n white band photo...when did they 'officially' sign a record contract?) Fopp vinyl Badmotorfinger vinyl Temple of the Dog vinyl A poster shaped like the state of Texas advertising Soundgarden and Pearl Jam shows in Texas 1992. Sound garden/Soul Asylum 1986 Minneapolis concert flyer (note the misspelling is correct) steve - - "Purple Haze, Jesus Saves" - Jimmi Hendrix "Purple Haze...beyond insane is it pleasure or is it pain down on the ceiling looking up at the bed see my body painted blue and red I see fetus unborns pointing at the time rush through space my hair is blowing in their minds through the haze I see 1,000 crosses scratched in the" - - first version of "Purple Haze". The ending was never finished :-( I wrote down the lyrics cuz of Jimmi's use of the words jesus, space, fetus, blue and the visual aspect of seeing 1,000 crosses in the Purple Haze. A weird vision to say the least :-) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Who wears the pants? From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >Kathie wrote: > Perhaps this is > the case with Chris. Maybe he figures Susan must know what she's doing, > so I may as well go along with it. God knows I doubt SG would be where > they are today without Susan's management talents > Any comments? Good point but there is also the fact that both Soundgarden and AiC were up for awards - Silver Management (Susan) could have been there to support both bands. It would be only natural for her husband to go with her being that his band was up for an award also. Touring is over this would be a nice trip to the east with his wife. Can't blame the rest of the band not wanting to go since they have been traveling so much. It was just nice to see Chris and Susan for the few seconds they were on.. I would like to see an interview with her and Chris - see how the act around each other.. Jamie (Village Idiot/SOMMs Mom) ------------------------------ From: DodeRoad@aol.com Subject: Re: SG Rocktoon! In a message dated 97-03-05 00:02:05 EST, java4u@sos.net writes: << There's a rocktoon website! There are tons of different rocktoons, one is even for SG! >> Yeah, I've seen that. It's pretty damn funny...I swear, it looks EXACTLY like Chris. Let me go look up the URL.....aah, here we go. http://www.crl.com/~tyman/Rocktoons ------------------------------ From: DodeRoad@aol.com Subject: Re: rocktoons In a message dated 97-03-05 01:33:29 EST, instant@deltanet.com writes: << If no one has already beat me to this, the roctoons website is : www.crl.com:80/~tyman/rocktoons. That should be it. The only soundgarden picture I saw was a humurous one with them standing in a garden. Maybe they have some new ones(one). >> Uh oh. Is that the real URL? It USED to be the other one I posted, I swear. Someone check for me, OK? ------------------------------ From: merlin Subject: Re: Chris vs. Billy - the final word :) in the future i'd appreciate it if someone is going to criticize what i say, first please read it. don't just take one part, distort it, and then respond with a sanctimonious discourse that makes no sense. >>Sg does transcend time and everything else. i know people from >>all generations and walks of life who love Sg and can identify w/ >>their music. and they've got everything - 4 extremely gifted >>musicians, one of the greatest singers ever in rock, originality >>(there's no one else out there like Sg, and never has been), >>creativity... and they're *real*. they've never followed any trend >>or tried to please the masses. they make music for themselves, >>b/c they love it. >ya know, this is beginning to sound like this drunken argument i >had in a bar on fordham road in 1992. the jukebox was playing >"remote control" by the clash, which our table had selected, and >the table of drunk preppie types next to us took offense that their >frickin' bryan adams song was taking so damn long to come up >because we had over-fed the jukebox. so, their chosen form of >amusement that evening was to trash every band that came on >that we got enthusiastic about (the group of about 10 token punk >rockers that went to fordham university [i am NOT kidding, it was >quite sad actually]). >as the music editor of the student newspaper, i was of course >selected by our group to do the arguing (i also think i was >marginally less drunk). and i kept maintaining to this bunch of >buttheads that in ten years, the clash's first album would stand the >test of time, would be considered classic, would still be listened to >and played and valued. that the clash wrote amazing songs, could >combine politics and a good, memorable riff, put one one of the >best live shows out there, etc etc etc. (i also had to have this >argument with them about U2's "Boy"). >my point? you don't like smashing pumpkins? good for you. i never said i don't *like* SP. Quite the contrary, in fact. i said that = i in fact *do* like some of their work, and that imo billy corgan is a talented musician. >you think taht soundgarden is the ultimate band of all time? good >for you! i think that Sg is *one* of the greatest bands of all time. and yes, that is good for me. >but do NOT fucking continue to trash every other band out there >that does not speak to you personally. i've never trashed SP or any other band on this list. want proof? refer to all my previous posts, if you've got the time. >just because YOU do not like them does not mean that they do >not have worth, or longevity, or that someone doesn't think about >them what you think about soundgarden. that's elementary. >the criteria you listed above, lorraine, are not unique to >soundgarden. i never said that they were. imo, those qualities *certainly* don't pertain only to Sg. >there ARE a lot of things that ARE unique to soundgarden and i >don't see them listed. what about kim's guitar work, or amazingly >creative and original drum parts, funky time signatures, the >combination of buttrock and punk rock with thoughtful lyrics? >those are some things that no one else has . i'm not a musician. i don't know anything about time signatures, etc. but what i do know is that i love what i hear, and i've never heard anything else like it. and i also know about words, and i've commented on CC's thoughtful, insightful, passionate, poetic, poignant, scathing, satirical, pensive, indignant, original, beautiful, and yes, imo, brilliant words many, many, many times in the past, and plan on continuing to. >but that doesn't mean that the other bands are unworthy of even >being listened to on the radio, or that sp possesses qualities that sg >doesn't. personally, i will still be listening to "cherub rock" as a 'ge= t >psyched' song in 10 years, i played it to death when i was a club >dj to get myself pumped, and it was the ONE song i wanted to >see when they played live. sg is LOUD all over, but the >pumpkins raise WALLS of frickin' guitars. it's bloody incredible >to witness. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I LIKE ONE >BETTER THAN THE OTHER; IT IS JUST DIFFERENT. i >like them *both*. again, elementary. >to try to say that one band is better than another because of >certain criteria that you personally developed is pointless. i >*adore* soundgarden, those of you here who have read the >reviews i have written know that they speak to my heart and >how. but they will never do for me what pearl jam do, or patti >smith, or the who, or r.e.m., the rolling stones, or what the many >other bands who share my heart do. that does NOT mean that >they are better, or worse, or anything else than these other bands. >i would NEVER, ever try to compare these bands on a level of >"who is the best"... because, frankly, it's juvenile, pointless and >doesn't prove anything. >you didn't even offer a constructive discussion, like justin did... oh didn't i? well, i'm always up for a challenge, and if people out there want to keep discussing this, i'd be happy to - and i'll make sure to offer "constructive discussion" ad nauseam. >so can we *really* end this pointless discussion before we >continue to offend people on here? umm... i'm not exactly sure what you said... something about offending people? well, i don't believe i've ever offended anyone, but if anyone *was* offended by any chance, mail me. i just want to say that i thought it was implied that when someone says "i think so and so is the greatest" it's an opinion. if i had said: "hey everybody!!! there *is* a God!! He came to me last night and told me 'Chris Cornell is the greatest writer, singer, and musician of = all time, and Soundgarden is the greatest band. spread the word, and let = it be known that anyone who thinks otherwise is a heretic, and shall be damned and burn in the flaming pits of Hell for all eternity!'" then that would've been cause for the aforementioned diatribe. when i first read the post that you sent me, caryn, i felt like i was 12 years old again and my parents had chastised me for having the audacity to speak my mind about something. but that was ridiculous, and a few moments later it occurred to me that it doesn't matter. these things happen. criticize what i say all you want - i can take it. but get it right. there certainly isn't anything wrong w/ criticism, and a good argument. it's one of the many things which make life interesting. but there is something *very* wrong w/ misrepresenting what someone says. ~Lorraine "Just you try to hold me down, come on try to shut me up." ~Courtney Love ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: you can feel it in your bones... On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Wyn wrote: > *A Curious thing at the concert Chris said when they came back for the first > song of the encore said that this song was a favourite of his then played a > song which I recognised but assumed falsely that it was head down it had a you assume correctly, bronwyn. I was at the show and it definitely *was* 'head down'. and it was fantastic :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Werewolf from Soundallot Subject: MisterBunchyPants I was reading an old Digest (one of two dated March 6) and I was wondering Why people thought that Down On the Upside was so not like SG. Look at the past titles. - -Louder Than Love - -Utramega O.K. - -BadMotorFinger ***** - -Superunknown - -Down On the Upside I think MisterBunchyPants would have been a good title. If some people think that it dosent fit the type of music on the album, Than why did they name all of their other albums the way they did? Just a thought. Ryan, By the way, if anybody has an extra BMF-SOMMS, Spoonman SI( domestic or import),or any 7"'s lying around collecting dust, I will be glad to take them off of your hands.=:) <-It's a dude with a mohawk! "This song is in a movie that nobody saw!" -CC ------------------------------ From: don <"ddd@plainview.com"@plainview.com> Subject: concert contest 1.Black Hole Sun 2.Super Unknown and Fore Shock 3.asshole! 4.balls 5.women with big tits! 6.not an expert just a fan! Thanks Matt your a real stand up guy. P.S. I'LL HOLD MY BREATH!!!!! Don:-| ------------------------------ From: Wyn Subject: !!!!COP THIS!!!! ****WARNING THE LENGTH OF THIS MESSAGE MAY OFFENED SOME VIEWERS!!**** On Saturday I decided a had to by another Soundgarden CD (my collection is incomplete since I only have Superunknown, Badmotorfinger, Down On The Upside, and Screaming Life/ Fopp). It was a big decision to go for Louder than Love, or Ultramega OK or the Down on the upside CD with the limited edition tour CD (the latter would have ended up most likely as a Christmas present for my brother, minus the tour CD of course!). After much deliberation I decided upon ULTRAMEGA OK which I haven't regretted nor did I think that I would have. I'm sorry if I'm boring some of you SOMMS veterans out there but it was a long time between drinks for me since I bought Superunknown in 1994. After hearing it so much on the radio, although Black Hole Sun was starting to irritate me, but the other singles of the album really spoke to me. If your wondering why I hadn't heard much of their stuff before this: 1) I am from Brisbane though this could considered a poor excuse. 2) Poor taste, eg. In 1987 when Screaming Life was released my most significant memory was that I had a Primary School Teacher who looked like Hitler- he had the little moustache and everything. - -In 1988 Ultramega Ok was released (but I don't really need to tell you guys that, now do I) this year for me Brisbane held EXPO'88 (very exciting stuff here). - -Then in 1989 LTL of course and the year I bought my first CDs and they were Darryl Braithwaite's edge and Hits of 1989 (which includes everything from Fine Young Cannibals to The Bangles to Elvis Costello). - -And in 1991 I hadn't bought a CD for a while since year before when I bought Hits of 1990 ( the horror!! my insanity continued) and in '91 the song I can most remember was the song EMF put out, which must have been pretty poor since I don't even remember what it was called now.( My brother now informs me that it was 'your unbelievable' but the above still applies). - -And in '92 like most Australians I discovered Nirvana (it came out in very late '91 so I hadn't heard it). I became popular for at least a short while because of them actually because on a school camp (at the height of their popularity over here) I was the only one with a tape of SLTS because my brother had the CD so while everyone else wanted to play over and over again Smells like.... All I wanted to play was Lithium which I thought was better. - -Then we come to '94 SG tour and I miss them, But they put me on to the true path to enlightenment and good taste. - -In late '96 I finally got around to buying BMF & DOTU which I devoured completely. - -Tuesday the 22nd of January 1997 at approximately 9.30 Aust. Eastern standard time I saw one of the best shows of my life- Soundgarden with support by You Am I and Turtlebox at Festival Hall in Brisbane. - -The next Thursday they have on Triple J one of the best J-files of course being Soundgarden where they played 3hrs straight of Soundgarden. I was reading last week on Seth's site the March Kerrang article where the author mentions that on the radio after their Hordern show there were 3 SG songs played in a row this was the same show and radio as above, and if they kept listening they would have heard a few of their own interviews. - -Anyway a little bit after this when my brother paid me $20 to vacate the house for the day (couldn't get any more out of him(he has a girlfriend so think you can guess why?)) I when out and bought Screaming Life/ Fopp. *A Curious thing at the concert Chris said when they came back for the first song of the encore said that this song was a favourite of his then played a song which I recognised but assumed falsely that it was head down it had a repetitive lyric in it "falling down" or something which sounds similar? I've speculated that it was perhaps Zero Chance, or Switch Opens? But both of these I thought I would have noticed for themselves but I don't know- ANY SUGGESTIONS? I'm sorry if this is considered too long but as you may be able to tell I had a particular uninteresting Saturday night with the exception of my new CD. Bronwyn "I'm entering, without a sound, I'm entering, on the wings I've found." ------------------------------ From: Wyn Subject: RE:drowned in shark fins... >From: blind dog >Subject: drowned in shark fins... > >On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, caryn rose wrote: > >> but... having said that, i made a conscious decision last year to *stop* >> buying cd bootlegs, and instead to focus on tape trading. tape trading of >> live shows is different in my mind because there is no money changing hands. >> it's not paying $30 and up to someone *else*. > > well, despite the lack of traders here on somms, perhaps some >wonderful lister has a copy of the boot entitled _push_ and would be >willing to tape it for me? I recently went into >the record exchange here in brisbane and saw said bootleg under the glass. >I took a look at it and asked the guy behind the counter how much it was. >he said "$45", which I thought was reasonable for a double cd, but then he >turns to some other guy after noting that it is in fact a double cd and >asks him for backup. the guy goes "no, that's *$90*"! > > so if anyone wants to send me $90 worth of soundgarden music, I'd >be glad to either trade or send tapes. once it's here (and I'm hoping it >does), I'll circulate it around to any australian listers who want it. > > I WANT IT, I WANT IT, I'll even offer to pay for the postage of tapes for you! Bronwyn ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 62] ***************************************