From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 7 Mar 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 01:03:18 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Friday, 7 Mar 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: posters of SG Re: Firing a Loaded Mental Cannon to the page BMF/SOMMS FS: Limited Vinyl stuff Re: SOUNDGARDELICIOUS be nice to your lungs, Chris =) theyre nice to you! again Cornell vs. Corgan Re: FS: Limited Vinyl bootlegs=theft Initials, Bootlegs, & Dueling Poets Re: FS: Limited Vinyl NEWS FLASH! #25...Help, I'm Molting *CD* bootlegs=theft Re: Firing a Loaded Mental Cannon to the page Re: *CD* bootlegs=theft boots, etc. Re: *CD* bootlegs=theft Re: *CD* bootlegs=theft CONCERTS? I'm too short, but baby you're too tall. . . Re: *CD* bootlegs=theft Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 6 Mar 1997 Re: *CD* bootlegs=theft Re: *CD* bootlegs=theft bowling SG as far as sg suing someone Booty Call live videos ------------------------------------------------------------ From: kjm@mtool.com (Karen Monoker) Subject: posters of SG Whoever posted about the picture of Chris at {http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/images/spin1.jpg}.... If you do get in touch with that photographer and he/she will make a poster, I would definitely be interested. It is an awesome picture of Chris! I used to have a Soundgarden poster in college that I have never seen again (had to throw it out when I moved to California, as it was torn), and I was wondering if any of you have seen it or could tell me where I could possibly find it. It was of the band playing, a black & white poster, and Chris shirtless and with long hair singing front and center (hottie!). I believe running down the side of the poster in like yellow or something it said Soundgarden, I could be wrong about this part though. No this is not the cover of Screaming Life but reminds me of that a little bit. The poster was a way better picture. Karen I am so obsessed not only with SG but with this mailing list, that I had a dream that I met Seth last night and we went out for coffee and discussed SG. I am totally losing it! :) ------------------------------ From: Paul_Faraguna@dbna.com (Paul Faraguna) Subject: Re: Firing a Loaded Mental Cannon to the page on 3/5/97 : merlin wrote: Subject: firing a loaded mental cannon to the page >>>CC is *the* greatest & most poetic writer to have ever graced the >>music or literary scene in this century or any other >>i think your statement about him being *the* greatest ever is just >>as >>misinformed as the "corgan" statement was stupid..... >>is CC one of the best? time will tell >>is he the greatest ever? please, learn to be objective. >If Lance thinks CC is the greatest ever, that's his prerogative, his >right, his *opinion*. It has nothing to do w/ being "misinformed." >I remember something that happened last year in school which >*really* pissed me off, and ended up starting a big debate. We were >in the middle of... I think it was "Hamlet" (I forget now) in >english. >But anyway, we were discussing "great works of literature", and I >remember some kid saying he considered Stephen King one of the >greatest writers of all time. The teacher acted like he was some kind >of a moron. What! What absolute rubbish! How could any intelligent >person *possibly* think that?! Stephen King hasn't stood the test of >time! And he probably won't! He's not in textbooks! I responded with the misinformed/objectivity part of this thread. And in response to Merlin I say that if Lance had presented his statement as an opinion, I would not have said boo! But he presented it as a FACT. As in, anybody who didn't subscribe to that fact didn't know what they were talking about. He even went so far as to offer his own educational training and qualifications as evidence of his right to make this determination for the rest of us. Having an opinion does not give you the right to discount everyone else's. His statement was not objective and smacked of arrogance. Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * THE MERRY PRANKSTER * * * * -Stop you're trying to bruise my mind * * I can do it on my own * * * * -If this isn't making sense * * It doesn't make it lies * * * * -I brake for hallucinations * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: BIDOLS@aol.com Subject: BMF/SOMMS Hello all, I haven't posted in a while, but I'm having quite a dilemma here. I've been looking for a used copy of the BMF/SOMMS CD. My favorite used CD store carries them every once in a great while, but when they get them, the price tag is usually about $50. Is this the normal selling price for that disc? Please let me know if anyone knows of a cheaper selling price for this. "tommorow begat tomorrow" Mark -Poor Man in Michigan- ------------------------------ From: disaffected Subject: FS: Limited Vinyl I have a limited edition copy of the Down On The Upside vinyl for sale to the highest offer...this is the black vinyl version as i understand theyre are two versions. Mail me personally as i am not a list member..thanks. cbrown@falcon.lhup.edu Chris Brown - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Growing up was kind of like being away at camp for 18 years. You hear there's a world out there--you hear there's a place where things happen, but you can't get there because you don't know where it is" ---Trent Reznor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "One always dies too soon--or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are--your life, and nothing else. ---Jean-Paul Sartre - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: DunWei@aol.com Subject: stuff Here are my thoughts on all things SG that have been discussed lately. The whole Bill Corgan vs. Chris / SP vs. SG thing: This is my OPINION. If you disagree, that is your OPINION. 'nuff said. Ok, SP create some pretty cool music. Billy Corgan writes ok lyrics and can't sing. His slower songs are more listen-able, but his fast songs bite the hairy wazoo in ways weird and unusual. He screeches. His voice scrapes on my eardrums like a cheese grater. The 1 song I actually like, "Landslide" was written by Fleetwood friggin' Mac. Having said that, he comes across (intentionally or otherwise) as a whiny brat who has to have his way about everything. So in light of that, I must break into hearty laughter when I think of brooding, cynical Kim ripping on him and his egomaniac ways. And if their Grammy performance is any indication, SP can shove their "techno-2 drummer-models dancing onstage" performances right up where it's dark and sticky. ON TO SG: ok, Chris writes incredible lyrics. heartfelt, meaningful, creepy, murky-metaphorical-what is he talking-about kinda lyrics. When the others in SG write lyrics, they are totally unique and equally forceful. On top of that, SG is one of the only bands to continuously improve time and time again. Their music is dark, groove-laden, crunchy, and continuously shifting ominously. DOTU is atmospheric and blatently creepy and sad. And of course, it kicks my rump. On the totally shallow/teeny bopper tip: SP is funky looking. Billy Corgan is UGLY. (did you see that cover of spin a while back? Hi, I'm an alien with a bumpy skull...) And the clothes are a bit......shiny...I don't know - the techno atmosphere just follows them around like a fog. DISCLAIMER: NOW I WILL OFFEND ALL HOMOPHOBES ON THIS LIST. I am a tried and true heterosexual, but that fact in no way deems me BLIND, and if you gay-bashers can't handle the fact that I recognize a handsome man when I see one, I think SG would kindly tell you to take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. On to the show - SG on the other hand, are a good looking band. Chris is aesthetically pleasing, ie. fly...(those who disagree can take it up with Shroomy, who will promptly disembowel you). Kim looks creepy and moody, Ben looks pissed, and Matt is just groovin' along. And, to be blunt, they just look cool. Period. Bootlegging: I agree that bootleggers who do it for profit suck my monkey. I also agree that trading boots on tape is probably the best way to do it. However, when I do come across a great show or compilation CD, if it has good sound quality, it's relatively cheap, etc., I'm gonna buy it. Tapes DO wear out eventually. In any case, I would think that having people enjoy my music would override my desire to profit extensively off of it. Let's face it: SG ain't exactly in the throes of poverty and degradation. Then again, there are bootleggers out there who are gonna profit regardless. Whatever, just an opinion. Vernon Reid: This has probably been discussed before, but did anyone notice on his solo album that he gives props to SG for TDITTL in the liner notes? He says it kept him going... Shroomy: I checked out your Eddie V. vampire page. Hilarious! Then I checked out your Chris shrine. You have some problems. Deep seated mental problems. You are, as we say in the asian community, a few egg rolls short of a combination platter. STALK CHRIS MUCH, SHROOMY??!! Just kidding. I think. That's all folks, flame away if it's yer pleasure. SG forever, Dun-Wei ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: Re: SOUNDGARDELICIOUS CL Miller wrote: > > Hi there kiddies! > > Superfantastic news! I got my "Burden In My Hand" 45 single on white > vinyl and my "Blow Up the Outside World" 45 single on green vinyl > today. I was giddy as a schoolboy at summer vacation! > OHMYGOSH!! You got BUTOW on *green* vinyl?!?! That's not just Superfantastic, it's UltramegaSuperSoundgardelicious! Chris, you're the luckiest! XOXOXO Taylor ?;-)> - -"My dad caught my boyfriend at my window at 2:30 am and now he says I can't ever see him again." ;) - -- D. Taylor Holmes Senior Quality Assurance Analyst, Automated Test Coordinator Datastream Systems Software, Inc. home: holmest@netdepot.com work: holmest@dstm.com ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: be nice to your lungs, Chris =) theyre nice to you! Hello, *.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*. I wish Chris would quit smoking. Its the hardest thing to do. No nicotine patches, nothing will help unless your intent is unbending. Kinda have to take it 1 minute at a time, literally. Turn down 1 urge at a time. Chris's lungs are so important to him, he should thank them by quitting. No alcohol helps too. Chris I promise you wont *even* miss it after awhile. Ive been cig free for *5* days....wish me luck. (sucking a fat free guitar pick instead) I like that SG prints their lyrics. Its not so much my own interpretation of what they maybe said. I wanna know exactly word for word, what they said. The lyrics are important to me, as much as the music. A song I can think of where the lyrics didnt help the song *at all* was Nirvana's Smells like teen spirit...oh boy (my milagro, an albino, a misquito, my libido arggg) I would really, really like a SG tape full of interviews. The bowling interview, the Grammy interview, as many interviews as possible. Does anybody know where I can find one?????? Please help. I will keep you up to date on my actually trying to get the photographer or someone to make a poster of the SPIN 92 pic. KOTS said Chris wouldnt OK one of just him alone cuz he's too modest, so I groveled and begged him. I will not give up! I really think that picture was meant to be a poster, it SCREAMS a poster. Wish me luck =). If you would love this poster too, write to Chris and ask him please OK it. That would give us a better chance. Sitting here like uninvited company. Carol *.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*. ------------------------------ From: "R.A.Yakupov" Subject: again Cornell vs. Corgan Hi, Sommsters! I seldom post here, alhough I'm on the list quite a long time. And I want to add something about this topic, which I'm sure bored everyone. There have been a lot posts about superiority of Cornell over Corgan( and sometimes on the contrary). Everyone was talking about Chris's deeptouching lyrics and very rocking music. That's all right and I completely agree with it. But nobody ever mentioned Chris's incredible voice and I think Corgan has got nothing even remotely resembling this. So, if someone thinks that Corgan's lyrics are better, they just can't say that Corgan's voice is better( no man in his sane mind can even admit this). As for lyrics and music, I agree with those who say that lyrics aren't the deciding factor. English isn't my native language nor can I say that I know it perfectly( especially listening comprehension). So when I'm listening to any song I can't discern lyrics completely.And it was music( and Chris's voice) that attracted me when I first heard SG. And this attraction then led to LOVE. That's all I wanted to say. Sorry for a long post and thanx for yuor attention. Later. Renat. ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: FS: Limited Vinyl On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, disaffected wrote: > > I have a limited edition copy of the Down On The Upside vinyl for sale to > the highest offer...this is the black vinyl version as i understand theyre > are two versions. Mail me personally as i am not a list member..thanks. > cbrown@falcon.lhup.edu just an FYI, anyone who is going to buy this... this is NOT that limited, there are TONS of copies out there, and you shouldn't pay more than what it was released for... more than $20 is highway robbery.... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Bittrgirlz@aol.com Subject: bootlegs=theft Bootlegs? Ok consider this... You are a painter and your artwork is on display in a gallery. It is there for all to see and enjoy, whether it be one or one million people. Now some one who really likes your stuff comes to your showing takes a photo of your painting and makes several thousand poor quality reprints of your work to sell to other people who really like your stuff. He keeps all the profit, because of course there has to be a markup on the resale for his time and effort. Now there are several thousand crappy copies of your creation sold all over the world. This is degrading. Secondly some one is making alot of money from your creation, which may have taken months or even years for you to complete. This is a hell of alot more effort than spending a few weeks copying and selling the bootleg. This is heartbreaking for an artist. Please have a little empathy for the integrity of artists when considering paying someone for stolen art. Pepper ------------------------------ From: Seth Subject: Initials, Bootlegs, & Dueling Poets Hey There A few things I've been pondering. I'll keep it brief for those who don't care. 1) I never thought about the abbreviation SG being mistaken (?) as someone talking about the Spice Girls. Ouch. But I guess that's not really going to matter in six months anyway if you get my drift. I have however noticed that people use the letters SG to talk about Simon and Garfunkel quite a bit among those who are fans. I was browsing one of their sites and found this to be quite confusing at first. 2) Someone mentioned a bootleg called Real Wild Children (or something like that) where a woman screams "take your shirt off" between every song. Is this the same show as the "Crown of Thorns" boot, or is this woman just everywhere? 3) I don't think the Cornell/Corgan debate will ever be decided validly for another 15-20 years when SG and SP are the stuff classic rock is made of. It's hard to resolve an arguement about something that's still happening. And I know that some will think it's cheesy, but I think the very existence of "Classic Rock Radio" (the select few GOOD stations, anyway) are a great honor to musicians. When large groups of the listening public can still relate to certain music that was released 20 years ago or more, and those songs can still make you feel good enough or bad enough to merit repeated play on popular stations (or your turntable), that really says a lot about the musician. I have a feeling (more of a hope, actually) that we will be hearing more Rusty Cage, and Pretty Noose than Today or Zero. Smashing Pumpkins make really good music, but it is more a reflection of *right now* than anything else. Soundgarden's music is more broad (dare I say timeless...maybe not just yet) and IMHO reflects more about people and their thoughts in general. I think that is one of the qualities that will have our kids calling SG *retro* and rocking out with our copies of Badmotorfinger (my kids will have to get their own, HANDS OFF) long after Billy Corgan's royalties have run dry. There I go getting into the arguement anyway. Oh well, I didn't say we shouldn't discuss it, just that we would never really agree. So much for brevity. Seth W. (different) THIS HAS ONLY BEEN MY OPINION; HAD THIS BEEN ACTUAL FACT YOU WOULD HAVE RECIEVED INSTRUCTIONS ON SEEKING SHELTER AND FLAMING THE HELL OUT OF ME; REPEAT; THIS IS ONLY AN OPINION ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: FS: Limited Vinyl Exactly. In fact, you can order the vinyl from CDNow. I think it's like $12.00 (but I'm not positive). Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Caryn Rose wrote: > just an FYI, anyone who is going to buy this... this is NOT that limited, > there are TONS of copies out there, and you shouldn't pay more than what > it was released for... more than $20 is highway robbery.... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't think I really Understand you And I can't see why I'd ever want to And even if it isn't mine to say I'll say it anyway It's ugly --C. Cornell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And be sure to check out http://www.indiana.edu/~drumline/home.html ------------------------------ From: SJordet@aol.com Subject: NEWS FLASH! NEWSFLASHNEWSFLASH!!!!! - 34 year old Matt Cameron, drummer of legendary band Soundgarden, has reportedly caught sight of Chris Cornell's chlone! "I'd been thinking there was something different about him," the exhaperated musician told us. "At first I thought he was just experimenting with a slightly different lifestyle. But, fuck! I knew there was definately something wrong when I found the Bush CD's tucked under his hotel mattress one night." He has said he then gathered friend and workpartner, bassist Ben Shepherd, who had also been noticing slight changes in the singer's personality. "The main thing that shook me," Shepherd said calmly, "was how he was constantly catching colds. Man, first monkeys, then sheep, now rock stars! What will they think of next?" The two members of Soundgarden made their way over to Cornell's house, where they found the original Cornell in his basement. We still do not know all of the details, but it is said that the entire event involves needles, choclate pudding, and Pomeranians. - heheh - Think of it all!!! A memeber of Soundgarden for each of us! Then it wouldn't really matter if Chris were married, would it??? Sure, there would be slight personality flaws, our copies wouldn't be as sharp-witted as the originals, and none of the members would be as special if there were thousands of them running around and everyone could have one, but they would make nice decorations, wouldn't they?????? My imagination is getting ahead of me here. Benlover :-) ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: #25...Help, I'm Molting #25 is the A&M video compilation Molted - Hunt and Gather, which has JCP as well as 5 other videos from various groups. The usual crap: email to enter, winner picked at random. Winner (only) must provide a shipping address. Once notified, the winner has 5 days to claim his/her prize. Entries taken until Monday, 10 March. ***Make sure you understand all of the above before entering*** Eric ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: *CD* bootlegs=theft On Thu, 6 Mar 1997 Bittrgirlz@aol.com wrote: > or one million people. Now some one who really likes your stuff comes to your > showing takes a photo of your painting and makes several thousand poor > quality reprints of your work to sell to other people who really like your > stuff. He keeps all the profit, because of course there has to be a markup on Yes. But it's important to remember that he or she is selling them to people who already own the original works of the artist (keeping with the analogy). There's simply nothing more for them to buy. And if they're big enough fans of the artist, they're entitled to collect as much of his or her material (original or bootleg) as they choose. Again, this artist isn't *losing* any money because everyone who buys a bootleg painting has *already* bought an official one (thus making the appropriate monetary contribution to the artist). > the resale for his time and effort. Now there are several thousand crappy > copies of your creation sold all over the world. This is degrading. Secondly I don't know that anyone judges a band by the recording quality of their bootlegs. > some one is making alot of money from your creation, which may have taken > months or even years for you to complete. This is a hell of alot more effort > than spending a few weeks copying and selling the bootleg. This is I agree with you here. But now I totally see Caryn's point of view. Those who tape shows and then make *CDs* out of them are the thieves. They're the ones who are making a killing off the band's work (even though the band isn't necessarily *losing* any money as a result). Tape boots are different. Sure, they're still a little more than the price of a blank tape, but the price is nowhere near what people think a CD is worth. In fact, I think the price is simply designed to compensate the taper for getting the tape machine into the show (not always easy), and then spending time making copies of the tape. I don't think those who make tapes are motivated by profit. > Please have a little empathy for the integrity of artists when considering > paying someone for stolen art. I'd hesitate to call it "stolen." Music is made to be heard. I'll never be convinced that a band will ever take any sort of financial loss due to the circulation of bootlegs. In fact, it seems to me that if Soundgarden really wanted to put a damper on bootleg trade, they'd make soundboard-quality recordings of some of their shows and then "officially" release them. That's one of the reasons Led Zeppelin released the soundtrack to _The Song Remains the Same_. Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't think I really Understand you And I can't see why I'd ever want to And even if it isn't mine to say I'll say it anyway It's ugly --C. Cornell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And be sure to check out http://www.indiana.edu/~drumline/home.html ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: Firing a Loaded Mental Cannon to the page In a message dated 3/6/97 9:06:03 AM, Paul_Faraguna@dbna.com (Paul Faraguna) wrote: <> In my opinion, my opinion is a fact. Chris is *THE* best writer I have ever encountered. And yes I am being objective. And yes I am taking in account all kinds and matters of writers. I respect Chris & his work & the way he presents ideas are an inspiration to me. And, I'll be glad to debate to the death with anyone who disagrees that my opinion is fact to me. Lance "The ugly truth just loves to get in the way" ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: *CD* bootlegs=theft On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Ross Filipek wrote: > I agree with you here. But now I totally see Caryn's point of view. Those > who tape shows and then make *CDs* out of them are the thieves. They're > the ones who are making a killing off the band's work (even though the > band isn't necessarily *losing* any money as a result). Tape boots are > different. Sure, they're still a little more than the price of a blank > tape, but the price is nowhere near what people think a CD is worth. In > fact, I think the price is simply designed to compensate the taper for > getting the tape machine into the show (not always easy), and then spending > time making copies of the tape. I don't think those who make tapes are > motivated by profit. they're not. but a bootlegger, one who tapes a show on DAT with the sole purpose of making a cd out of it... think about it. it costs him probably $2.50 per cd manufacturing costs (they don't have royalties, or salaries, or graphic artists to pay). they sell these for $30-50 a pop, and probably run a minimum of 10,000... i'm sorry, this is still ripping off soundgarden because the bootlegger is making money off of *soundgarden's* music. > I'd hesitate to call it "stolen." Music is made to be heard. I'll never > be convinced that a band will ever take any sort of financial loss due to > the circulation of bootlegs. In fact, it seems to me that if Soundgarden > really wanted to put a damper on bootleg trade, they'd make > soundboard-quality recordings of some of their shows and then "officially" > release them. That's one of the reasons Led Zeppelin released the > soundtrack to _The Song Remains the Same_. do you know what led zeppelin used to do to bootleggers, or anyone they caught tape recording their shows? they used to send their roadies out into the crowds, looking for tapers, and when they found them, they would pour buckets of water into their tape recorders and beat the shit out of the bootlegger. led zep was one of the foremost bootleg fighters of their day. wrong example. everyone has this idea, 'a band should just release a limited amount of cd copies of various live shows of the tour'... which would then be bootlegged, and bootlegged again, and bootlegged again. if soundgarden wanted to prevent bootlegging, the best thing they could do would be to openly allow taping of their shows. imagine if they had a taping section, or allowed tape recorders in... anyone on this list could bring a tape recorder in, we would all have tapes of shows and NO ONE would go buy a bootleg. no one would profit off of soundgarden (except maybe maxell, sony and TDK ;->). we would have tape trees, anyone who wanted a show could make their own copy, or trade for one easily. the bootleggers wouldn't have much of a market because we would all have copies of those shows... like the pj 96 tour, i haven't seen the flood of boots i saw with the 95 tour (where taping was still stealth for the most part).... there will always be those stubborn individuals who for some reason want a show on cd, and they can waste their money with the bootlegs. i'm not goin' there any more.... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: merlin Subject: boots, etc. hey... >when CC drives around in one his porsches does he really give a >fuck if some guy in texas buys fresh deadly rarities or not? what do >you all think. well, first of all, i *don't* think Chris drives a porsche. CC said once that he doesn't have any problem w/ boots... i think it was on an aol chat... you can find the transcript on seth's page. i personally don't see anything wrong w/ them. >Chris is a poet, and a damn good singer! i love SG, but i wish they >would start making songs that are easy to understand. i was going to comment on this... but nevermind. it's just too ridiculous to even give it a second thought. >i do know that when they are "on" there is nothing like the thrill of >the music and the experience of seeing them live no matter what >any reviewer, magazine or dj says. couldn't have said it better myself. :-) that's all for now... ~Lorraine ps - just wanted to say... i'm lorraine... this is my brother's email, and "merlin" is his internet code name or something. he's obsessed w/ sword & sorcery stuff. thanx... just wanted to let you know. :) Nothing seems to break me no matter how far I fall nothing can break me at all. . . ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: *CD* bootlegs=theft On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Caryn Rose wrote: > they're not. but a bootlegger, one who tapes a show on DAT with the sole > purpose of making a cd out of it... think about it. it costs him probably By "tapers" I meant those who tape a show and *keep* the format on standard audio tape. I bought "Crown of Thorns" on tape for $4. I could have paid $70 for it on CD, but I didn't. This illustrates what I'm talking about. > do you know what led zeppelin used to do to bootleggers, or anyone they > caught tape recording their shows? they used to send their roadies out I'm well aware of what Richard Cole and the army of Zep roadies used to do to bootleggers. They even mauled people who were *supposed* to have recording equipment (like the government worker with the shotgun microphone who was measuring decibel levels at one of their shows). When asked for the reason behind the _Song Remains the Same_ project, Robert Plant said, "We decided to make the film because after all that length of time since the beginning of the band we'd always had this growing curiousity to see exactly what it looked like from the other side of the stage." I suspect it was also an effort to curb the trade of boots (though they weren't illegal early in Zep's career) by giving the band a chance to "cash in" while satisfying their fans' appetite for a pre-recorded live show. > if soundgarden wanted to prevent bootlegging, the best thing they could do > would be to openly allow taping of their shows. imagine if they had a I hadn't thought of this. Excellent point. :) Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't think I really Understand you And I can't see why I'd ever want to And even if it isn't mine to say I'll say it anyway It's ugly --C. Cornell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And be sure to check out http://www.indiana.edu/~drumline/home.html ------------------------------ From: Orko Subject: Re: *CD* bootlegs=theft For all of you people who are opponents of bootlegs. I just have this to say... FUck You, Dont buy them, quit bitchin. ------------------------------ Subject: CONCERTS? From: eviltoon@juno.com (rick k tucker) hello fellow SG fanz! im kinda new at this, so bear with me:) i was wondering if Soundgarden was planing anymore concerts? i missed out on the first one becuz i was out of town, and was curious if they were planing anything in the near future. thankx for taking the time to read this, <><> ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: I'm too short, but baby you're too tall. . . If you ever get a chance, check out the original "Fopp" from the Ohio Players. Soundgarden's version sounds surprisingly similar. Also, I actually thought that "Love Rollercoaster" was a Chilli Peppers original. Whoops. That was Ohio Players, too. Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't think I really Understand you And I can't see why I'd ever want to And even if it isn't mine to say I'll say it anyway It's ugly --C. Cornell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And be sure to check out http://www.indiana.edu/~drumline/home.html ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: *CD* bootlegs=theft On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Orko wrote: > For all of you people who are opponents of bootlegs. I just have this to > say... FUck You, Dont buy them, quit bitchin. anyone else wonder why mr. orko is so bitter? hmmmmmmmm. wonder if he owns a sony d-7 and a pair of stealth mics..... you're just pissed we don't agree with you. tough luck. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: "CALUM HAMILTON" Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 6 Mar 1997 re: CONCERT SOUDGARDEN HITS AUSTRALIA I saw SG at the Big Day Out in Melbourne, Australia.And it seems at this concert as well as in America, Chris sang "Black Hole Sun" in acoustic which went down well.The mosh was unbelivable, the crowd overwhelmed by the sheer power that is SG.In reading other sources they say that SG were the best in other Big Day Out venues like Brisbane and Perth... " Follow me into the desert as thirsty as you are" CAL ***************** CALUM HAMILTON BBF INTERNAL SALES ***************** << EAT THE FRUIT AND KISS THE SNAKE GOODNIGHT>> ------------------------------ From: Orko Subject: Re: *CD* bootlegs=theft I dont know what the hell youre talking about... Ive never even been to a SG concert... or any cool concerts for that matter... but i do enjoy collecting music for cool bands ... and I am sorry that they cant make any money off of me because I already own all of their offical releases. You dont have to agree with me, but i am just tired of everyone griping about something that we cannot change... If I could pay CC himself for all the music of his I have... I would be happy to. Orko On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Caryn Rose wrote: > > > On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Orko wrote: > > > For all of you people who are opponents of bootlegs. I just have this to > > say... FUck You, Dont buy them, quit bitchin. > > anyone else wonder why mr. orko is so bitter? > hmmmmmmmm. > wonder if he owns a sony d-7 and a pair of stealth mics..... > > you're just pissed we don't agree with you. tough luck. > > --caryn > > ------------------------------ From: Orko Subject: Re: *CD* bootlegs=theft Several bands allow people to open tape their shows... Pearl Jam for instance, informs the venues of this policy. Tell me that that wouldnt be cool if SG did the same. Orko On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Ross Filipek wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Caryn Rose wrote: > > > they're not. but a bootlegger, one who tapes a show on DAT with the sole > > purpose of making a cd out of it... think about it. it costs him probably > > By "tapers" I meant those who tape a show and *keep* the format on > standard audio tape. I bought "Crown of Thorns" on tape for $4. I could > have paid $70 for it on CD, but I didn't. This illustrates what I'm > talking about. > > > do you know what led zeppelin used to do to bootleggers, or anyone they > > caught tape recording their shows? they used to send their roadies out > > I'm well aware of what Richard Cole and the army of Zep roadies used to > do to bootleggers. They even mauled people who were *supposed* to have > recording equipment (like the government worker with the shotgun > microphone who was measuring decibel levels at one of their shows). When > asked for the reason behind the _Song Remains the Same_ project, Robert > Plant said, "We decided to make the film because after all that length of > time since the beginning of the band we'd always had this growing > curiousity to see exactly what it looked like from the other side of the > stage." I suspect it was also an effort to curb the trade of boots > (though they weren't illegal early in Zep's career) by giving the band a > chance to "cash in" while satisfying their fans' appetite for a > pre-recorded live show. > > > if soundgarden wanted to prevent bootlegging, the best thing they could do > > would be to openly allow taping of their shows. imagine if they had a > > I hadn't thought of this. Excellent point. :) > > Ross > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I don't think I really > Understand you > And I can't see why > I'd ever want to > And even if it isn't mine to say > I'll say it anyway > It's ugly > --C. Cornell > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > And be sure to check out http://www.indiana.edu/~drumline/home.html > > ------------------------------ From: William Robert Walsh Subject: bowling SG was someone looking for a tape a month or so ago of SG bowling on headbanger's ball? i came across an old SG tape of mine and think it might be on there. if someone's still looking for it let me know. bill ------------------------------ From: EarthGnome@aol.com Subject: as far as sg suing someone there's this cd store in my area..... in fell's pt of baltimore called the sound garden. supposedly a few years back the bureau of names and copyrights (or something to that effect) tried to put something on the store because they were using a name already taken... etc.... however i don't know the details and nothing must have some of it cause the store is still called the sound garden... just some info Meaghan ------------------------------ From: tonerkin Subject: Booty Call All this talk about bootlegs also go hand in hand with ticket scalping. It becomes a moral issue and we fans are put in the middle. I want tickets to go to a show but they are sold out by the time I get to the ticket window!! What do I do?? I really want to see the concert and the only way is to buy scalper tickets. Do I support the scum bags by buying a ticket from them or do I not go?? The same with CD boots. If you want the music bad enough most people will pay the money for the CD's if that is the only way to get access to it. Should I feel bad that I made tapes of BMF and LTL for someone who lived in India and didn't have the funds nor the outlet to buy the CD's and than he taped them for his friends. Is that taking money out of SG's pocket? I think it is giving a fan the gift of their music!! I don't know what the hard and fast rules are for these dilemmas or if there are any. I think we all have to make a judgement call and live with our decision. toni ------------------------------ From: Airstan@aol.com Subject: live videos see my list of over 1100 different live videos at the following site.Even if you can't trade you can inquire. http://members.aol.com/rockvid/vidman.htm ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 59] ***************************************