From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 5 Mar 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 01:20:08 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 5 Mar 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: hootchie holiday Thanks for the pics Feeling Chicago? italians... That kick ass picture of Chris Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 4 Mar 1997 the downside of the digest Corgan v. Cornell SHROOMY'S BIRTHDAY AND THE INFAMOUS CORGINELL DEBATE my $0.02 re: caryn's professions feel the rhythm with your hands Re: caryn's professions Re: feel the rhythm with your hands Re: Feeling Chicago? In Concert KTS. . . is alive! :) RE: New Reader Re: Chris the poet Re: Chris' Songs & the defence thereof.... Re: Corgan v. Cornell SG bootleg dilemma Re: SG bootleg dilemma Birthday dilema Fresh Deadly Rarities Fwd: About suing people... baghdaddios birthdays for all... Re: SG bootleg dilemma New Music Re: SG bootleg dilemma Hello Cleveland! SG @ SonicIgnition concerts Re: SG bootleg dilemma Re: In Concert SG Rocktoon! RE: SG Rocktoon! rocktoons ------------------------------------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: hootchie holiday yes! it's here! it's after midnight in texas.... today, march *4*... is the official hootchie birthday holiday... it's SHROOM'S BIRTHDAY! please, visit the official Hootchie Birthday Page at: http://www.nwlink.com/~clr/shroom/ and be sure to sign the guestbook/birthday card! (contributions to this page, such as incriminating baby pictures of shroom, still welcomed.) happy birthday to the coolest redhead i know ;-) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: JAMES COLES <808state@pixi.com> Subject: Thanks for the pics WOW!!!! BIG THANKS to Angela&Deborah,for those AWESOME photos that were just added to the site!! :o I especially love the arm pit photo of Chris. That man is just too beautiful,almost too beautiful to be real!! Thanks again :] Nancy.C ------------------------------ From: sknauf@HK.Super.NET Subject: Feeling Chicago? I just found this not-so-kind review of the Chicago show. Those who attended the Sommsfest will undoubtedly disagree with this...... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- November 11, 1996=20 Soundgarden Blows In Windy City Set Attitude And Bluster Sink Aragon Ballroom Show Soundgarden can't help it. No matter how much they rail against it, no matter their punk roots, their very existence-- sludgy, bludgeoning, and loud--suggests a '70's metal band, clich=E9s, bloat, and all, waiting to happen. Their show at Chicago's Aragon Ballroom Saturday night (Nov. 9)= was full of big, blustery arena rock gestures, some of which were their fault (smashing guitars, throwing microphone stands), some of which weren't= (like the cigarette lighters lit, en masse, during "Black Hole Sun").=20 A lack of subtlety, though, was the least of their problems. Soundgarden, despite a recorded body of work that ranks them among the= best acts of the past 15 years, have a spotty reputation live. Truly transcendent shows are few and far between; most nights the band performs by rote, acting as if they were, by their mere presence, doing the= audience a favor. Saturday night got off to an ominous start when the mostly high-school aged crowd booed opening act Rocket From The Crypt (who turned in a fine set, although the Aragon's typically wretched sound didn't help them any). "They fucking kick my ass, and I didn't even have to pay [to see them]," a clearly peeved Chris Cornell said pointedly. Bassist Ben Shepherd then= gave the audience the finger, and it was all downhill from there.=20 Despite a few moments of near- perfection-- a stripped- down "Black= Hole Sun," performed by Cornell, solo, that fed into a frenetic, microphone-smashing "Outshined," as well as glorious versions of "Rusty Cage" and "Pretty Noose"--the band's consistent refusal to connect with their audience on any level keeps them from being truly great, and always will.=20 Disturbing trend alert: "Burden in my Hand" was accompanied by a video montage with images like the word "enemy" superimposed over a picture of Bill Clinton. The sheer awkward purposelessness of the video suggests that Soundgarden might be better off leaving the demagoguery to the similarly humor- impaired Rage Against the Machine.=20 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- sabrina ------------------------------ From: "mRkN!" Subject: italians... HI!... i'm mrkn and i'm italian, i would to know if someone has the 25 september, sg show... is there any italian?... BYE! - -- mmm rrr kkk nnn mmmmmmm mmmmmm rrrrrrrr kkk nnnnnnnn mmmm mmmmm mmmm rrrr rrr kkk kkk nnnn nnnn mmm mmm mmm rrr kkk kkk nnn nnn mmm mmm mmm rrr kkk kkk nnn nnn mmm mmm mmm rrr kkkkkk nnn nnn mmm mmm mmm rrr kkkkkk nnn nnn mmm mmm mmm rrr kkk kkk nnn nnn mmm mmm mmm rrr kkk kkk nnn nnn mmm mmm mmm rrr kkk kkk nnn nnn r u l e s ! ................................................. ISOLOTTO... Firenze.........................ITALY ................................................. mrkn on the net http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/4180 pearl jam THE OCEANS http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/4180/pearljam.html ................................................. I must obey the rules, I must be tame and cool No staring at the clouds, I must stay on the ground... ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: That kick ass picture of Chris Good Morning, 6 am.... The Chris pic. Specifically, THIS kick ass pic (Thank you Seth) http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/images/spin1.jpg. This has to be my favorite-ist picture of Chris Cornell. I want a goddam poster of it! There doesnt seem to be one in existance. KOTS is no help. So because I am so obsessed (in love, whatever) with this band, yesterday I dig out that issue of SPIN (Sept 92), wrote them a letter, asked if they could please tell me how to get ahold of the photographer who shot this particular pic. Then if that all goes well, Im gonna beg him to make it a poster. Would any of you guys want a poster of this? To me, this picture speaks 10,000 words. It almost literally sums up my whole feelings about Soundgarden. And while I was up at 3:30 this am thinking about all this shit, I wondered if I will ever actually get a poster of it. If I make a good effort and bug some people, maybe and maybe we all can get one. Do you think there is a chance in hell??? Ive never done this before. (about 4'x4' hanging over my bed. Of course the husband might not go for that.=) Slave4CC <-----can play the riff to FOBD ;) <-----can also play Say Hello 2 heaven. I love to play guitar ;) *.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*. ------------------------------ From: Cornell32@aol.com Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 4 Mar 1997 I'd like to say HAPPY FUCKIN BIRTHDAY!!!! To the sweetest, prettiest SOMMS hootchie ever, Miss Shroomy! Chris has a special surprise waiting for you, girly....heheh! Love always, Leslie ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: the downside of the digest Hi there, Once again, since I only get the digest, I cannot respond in time to things--did that make sense? Just a couple quickies...yea I know theres just no getting rid of me. Susan---woe to anyone who calls her a bitch. She is revered and respected heavily on this list..although me personally would sleep with Chris in a heartbeat, married or not (now that will piss some people off). Caryn & Lance----what was that Ive been told before?? hmmm lemme see....oh yea, if ya wanna talk about SP, go to THEIR web site to do it. And just FYI....I hate Billy and his fuckin lyrics. When he can learn how to SING then maybe I will listen..(okay now Im gonna get it) HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHROOMY!!!! on a scale of 1 to 10...1 being no obsession for SG, and 10 being like, Shroomy or Seth, well Im a 9.9. ;) Slave4CC mememe sorry for the post attack!! ------------------------------ From: "Michael J. Dorn" Subject: Corgan v. Cornell It can easily be said that Billy Corgan and Chris Cornell are two of the greatest song writers of our time. That is an opinion and I don't think I will get much heat for writting it in a place like this. You can say Cornell is more talented than Corgan, or you can say it the other way around. The fact still remains that having more than just one songwriter brings out the best music in everyone. It's the reason why bands originate. Bush were just four guys who met on a painting gig and now their at the altar of Alternative music. (Forgive me, if someone out there does not like Bush, but I am just giving an example). THIS IS AN OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The music may be there for us and maybe it is not. Either way, I think that anyone who is a loyal Soundgarden fan can dig some other bands music such as the Pumpkins and still be the same as they were before. This competition among some songwriters is very good. If there's one thing we cannot lose in this world it is good music. Soundgarden heals my soul whenever it is torn, and goes with me whenever I am lost. ------------------------------ From: CL Miller Subject: SHROOMY'S BIRTHDAY AND THE INFAMOUS CORGINELL DEBATE Boo hoo...sniff sniff... Our Shroomy is getting older. . .may you get everything you wish for on your birthday...(like 30 days on a desert island with nothing but a scantily clad Chris Cornell, a can of whipped cream, a jar of orange marmalade, two spanking paddles, 10 feet of rope, and a radio that plays nothing but Soundgarden stuff. . .God love ya! One FINAL word (from me anyway) regarding Corgan/Cornell. . .the only way I feel anyone has the right to say that Chris is the "best" writer/poet or that Billy is the "most personal" writer poet is if you have read and listened to every lyric ever written by every artist in the history of music. Now this may sound a little simplistic, but I can NEVER say that anyone or anything is the "best" because there is ALWAYS someone or something out there that can do things better. I can voice that in my experience (as limited or extensive as it may be) that they are GOOD, but the best? Come on . . . H O W E V E R . . . I do feel that Chris is a fantastic writer from what reading experience I have. The more you read/listen/dissect, the more critical you become of someone's work. This also means that you will usually become more appreciative of a GOOD body of work, whatever good signifies. Just my opinion, read, agree, disagree, or delete. Love you all Chris - -- Check out my store's site!! http://www.MovieStop.com/ "Who is Keyser Soze?" ~~The Usual Suspects ------------------------------ From: "mcinturff, dylan" Subject: my $0.02 Here is what I think < /me sees everyone yawning...> Music and lyrics are both important, and how it all fits together are really imprtant. I do listen to lyrics, but dumb lyrics can be overcome by a good song. And yes, sometimes an average song can become great through great lyrics. I think we should all admit there are some SG lyrics we dig, even if we are clueless to their meaning. There are some fucking powerful lines out there, like "Down in a hole, Jesus tries to crack a smile beneath another shovel load." Love it or hate it, it's VERY STRONG! I also think the lyrics in Slaves and Bulldozers are pretty powerful, both in content and delivery (of course, the music is just as powerful). And what would Ty Cobb be without "Hard headed, fuck you all!" It's really how the whole package comes together... Over and out, Dylan ------------------------------ From: Andrea Pinto Subject: re: caryn's professions So, your point is that a person can't do more than one thing in life? >i'm thinking of starting a list of how many professions caryn has >claimed to have been in. let's see; writer, poet, something with >computers. . .any others? perhaps a member of the police force. . . >maybe a butcher. . . a baker?. . . a candlestick maker??. . . >search the digest archives! the race has begun. . . >- -JAmiE Care ------------------------------ From: Trung Tran Subject: feel the rhythm with your hands Why are we having this debate between Cornell and Corgan? Let's face it..both artists are extremely talented and they are the best at what they do. Factually, we cannot say that one is better than the other; it is purely opinion. So to anyone else who has a "Billy sucks" comment in their next post, please keep it to yourself. Intelligent debate is cool, but trashing other bands for the sake of making some point is absurd. - -Trung ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Re: caryn's professions Andrea Pinto wrote: > > So, your point is that a person can't do more than one thing in life? > > >i'm thinking of starting a list of how many professions caryn has > >claimed to have been in. let's see; writer, poet, something with > >computers. . .any others? perhaps a member of the police force. . . > >maybe a butcher. . . a baker?. . . a candlestick maker??. . . > > >search the digest archives! the race has begun. . . > > >- -JAmiE Care Hey anyone could be a renaissance woman.! ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Re: feel the rhythm with your hands Trung Tran wrote: > > Why are we having this debate between Cornell and Corgan? Let's face it..both > artists are extremely talented and they are the best at what they do. Factually, > we cannot say that one is better than the other; it is purely opinion. So > to anyone else who has a "Billy sucks" comment in their next post, please > keep it to yourself. Intelligent debate is cool, but trashing other bands > for the sake of making some point is absurd. > > -Trung Yeah well least it got everyone from talking about Bens ass. ------------------------------ From: tonerkin Subject: Re: Feeling Chicago? >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >November 11, 1996 > Soundgarden Blows In Windy City Set > Attitude And Bluster Sink Aragon Ballroom Show > > A lack of subtlety, though, was the least of their problems. > Soundgarden, despite a recorded body of work that ranks them among the best > acts of the past 15 years, have a spotty reputation live. Truly > transcendent shows are few and far between; most nights the band performs > by rote, acting as if they were, by their mere presence, doing the audience > a favor. I think our reviews to this list all summer/fall have reflected that sometimes the band does not play up to the expectations of fans. We had people who critiqued shows and were honest about either the music, singing, stage presence or whatever being off. The Saturday night show this reviewer talked about was not the best one I saw on this tour. Had he/she come back to the Aragon on Sunday night they would of seen a totally different concert. That is the problem I have with concert reviews. They will pick a night to go see a band and than review only that one. If a band has an off night(which let's face it that is going to happen) than they are branded with a bad review. Also critics are people and some of them have preconceived notions about bands. If a friend asked me to go to a concert with them and it is a band that I really don't care for. 9 times out of 10 I am not going to come away converted. Sometimes it happens but not often. My friend is going to enjoy the show a hell of alot more than I am. I think it would be hard to be objective about music/a band that I don't personally like. > Bassist Ben Shepherd then gave > the audience the finger, and it was all downhill from there. UH OH!! There it is again...Ben being misunderstood. > Despite a few moments of near- perfection-- a stripped- down "Black Hole > Sun," performed by Cornell, solo, that fed into a frenetic, > microphone-smashing "Outshined," as well as glorious versions of "Rusty > Cage" and "Pretty Noose"--the band's consistent refusal to connect with > their audience on any level keeps them from being truly great, and always > will. I don't know about any body else but I felt pretty connected. Where was this person anyway?? Those of you that were in the pit that night did you feel connected to the band at all?? I was in the balcony and they reached me! I guess this reviewer must subscribe to the Mrs Cornell school of psychic feelings....he knows that Soundgarden never will be "truly great"!! I am not a blind(or deaf) avid fan of Soundgarden I realize they are not perfect. I cringed every concert when they went into Pretty Noose but I do know that when they are "on" there is nothing like the thrill of the music and the experience of seeing them live no matter what any reviewer,magazine or DJ say. toni ------------------------------ From: Rebekah Henderson Subject: In Concert For anyone who has the PJ Starr compilation video or have taped ABC'S "In Concert" thing (it was aired in '94 I think), then you will know what I'm talking about. During the interview with Matt and Kim, they're showing clips of SG playing. (Note: On the PJ Starr compilation video it says the interview was in '92 and it could have been, but the performances were probably '94 because Chris had short hair and they were playing songs like "Spoonman" and "The Day I Tried To Live.") Anyway, to my point. I read in an article where Chris said he was trying to quit smoking when they were making Superunknown, so he was chewing tobacco instead. This obviously did not work out. :) As we all know, when someone tries to quit smoking they tend to gain weight. Well check out Chris onstage during "In Concert!" He is by no means overweight, but compared to his normal size, he's FAT! I couldn't believe it when I saw him! Big tummy! Pecs not what would be considered "well-shaped." Just a bit on the flabby side. He still looked good in all, but we've all talked about how he's lost weight, and he definitely has, so I thought it would be kinda cute to mention Chris when he was a bit on the chubby side. :) May Soundgarden be with you. Rebekah ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: KTS. . . is alive! :) I just got a message from someone at KTS. Apparently the "Blow Up the Outside" bootlegs are now in stock because he said they sent one to me on Friday. I can't wait. . . Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't think I really Understand you And I can't see why I'd ever want to And even if it isn't mine to say I'll say it anyway It's ugly --C. Cornell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And be sure to check out http://www.indiana.edu/~drumline/home.html ------------------------------ From: "Lane, Karen" Subject: RE: New Reader She said "Do you like *know* Susan Silver or something" Agree or disagree at least quote people correctly. - ---------- From: SJordet@aol.com[SMTP:SJordet@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 03, 1997 5:20 PM To: SOMMS@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: New Reader SndGrdn45 wrote: >Do you like susan Silver or something? Why are you so defensive? ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Chris the poet From: joshua104@juno.com (Joshua A Verley) Chris is a poet, and a damn good singer! I love Soundgarden, but I wish they would start making songs that are easier to understand. - -Joshua ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Chris' Songs & the defence thereof.... From: joshua104@juno.com (Joshua A Verley) Okay!!! ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: Re: Corgan v. Cornell Michael J. Dorn wrote: > > It can easily be said that Billy Corgan and Chris Cornell are two of the > greatest song writers of our time. Yes, and this whole argument is subjective... like arguing over which is the best flavor of ice cream... people are different, they like different things... There is no right answer to this argument, so it can go on forever to no fruition... My opinion -> Granted both are great lyricists, the definitive factor for me is the *vocals*... I just can't swallow Corgan's vocals, no matter how great/personal the words are. I tend to prefer Cornell's vocals whether he is singing 'Big Bottom' or 'Mary had a Little Lamb'... Later, Taylor - -maybe we should all post our resume's... - -- D. Taylor Holmes Senior Quality Assurance Analyst, Automated Test Coordinator Datastream Systems Software, Inc. home: holmest@netdepot.com work: holmest@dstm.com ------------------------------ From: Trung Tran Subject: SG bootleg dilemma How do you guys feel about getting SG bootlegs? I have been presented the opportunity to buy one but I don't know if it would be right or not. On one hand, SG gets no profits from them yet it is their music being sold. On the other hand, when Chris drives around in one his Porsches does he really give a fuck if some guy in Texas buys Fresh Deadly Rarities or not? What do you all think. - -Trung ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Re: SG bootleg dilemma Trung Tran wrote: > > How do you guys feel about getting SG bootlegs? I have been presented > the opportunity to buy one but I don't know if it would be right or not. > On one hand, SG gets no profits from them yet it is their music being > sold. On the other hand, when Chris drives around in one his Porsches > does he really give a fuck if some guy in Texas buys Fresh Deadly > Rarities or not? What do you all think. > > -Trung Doesnt Seth's page have a bootleg discography that rates the cd's and video's. I could have swore I seen it. Any ways I think bootlegs are great. Though some do suck and others are copies of ones that have been released. What you should really look for is unreleasd demo's and outtakes. Nuff said. ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Birthday dilema I thought it was Caryns birthday not Shroomgrlz.? ------------------------------ From: JesusCPose@aol.com Subject: Fresh Deadly Rarities I was just wondering if Fresh Deadly Rarities is one of the better SG boots. Somebody I know is offering it to me for $30. I just wanted to know if any of you guys strongly recommend buying this boot. Most boots I have bought, like Self Pollution Radio, have cost me from $15-30, so the price is not really the prob. Happy Birthday to Shroomy, even though I do not know her. Peacelove--- Jesus ------------------------------ From: KRAKHEAD54@aol.com Subject: Fwd: About suing people... In a message dated 97-03-03 22:12:12 EST, kphelan@passavant.nmh.nmh.org (Phelan, Kate) writes: << From: Rebekah Henderson Subject: KERRANG! article In the March 1st KERRANG! magazine, Chris talks about how every member of the band has been sued. We all know about Kim allegedly assaulting a fan and Chris tells about how Matt threw his snare drum up in the air and it bounced off the drum riser, rolled offstage and landed on some guy's shoulder, who in turn sued. I was wondering what Chris and Ben have been sued for?? Does anybody know? >> I almost positive that Chris got sued for hitting someone. I think I read it in an old article. I'll have to dig it out and see. But I have no idea about Ben. Probably someone got offended when he spit on them or something stupid like that. peace/love/SG *~PAM~* - --------------------- Forwarded message: From: kphelan@passavant.nmh.nmh.org (Phelan, Kate) To: somms@MIT.EDU ('somms') Date: 97-03-03 22:12:12 EST From: Rebekah Henderson Subject: KERRANG! article In the March 1st KERRANG! magazine, Chris talks about how every member of the band has been sued. We all know about Kim allegedly assaulting a fan and Chris tells about how Matt threw his snare drum up in the air and it bounced off the drum riser, rolled offstage and landed on some guy's shoulder, who in turn sued. I was wondering what Chris and Ben have been sued for?? Does anybody know? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I was wondering yesterday, if any of the members of SG have themselves sued anyone? Over lyrics, sampling, invasion of privacy, etc. I've never heard anything about it, but it'd be interesting to know... k ------------------------------ From: Natalie De Rojas Subject: baghdaddios Sorry for the un SG post, but.... CYN!...I LOST YOUR ADDRESS,...I NEED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE BAND...WHEREVER YOU ARE, EMAIL ME PLEASE. ..sorry guys,...all is quiet on the soundgarden front! lots of SG love, Natalie ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: birthdays for all... happy happy happy birthday to yooooooooooouuuuuuuuu!!! to shroom and caryn, happy birthday(s)! mind riot ____ we see you cry turn your head then we slap your face we see you try see you fail some things never change... ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: SG bootleg dilemma I think it's safe to say that anyone who's willing to shell out the money for a bootleg is a true fan of the band. And as a true fan, it's likely that he or she already owns the official album releases. He or she may have even seen the band in concert several times. Someone who doesn't already have "Badmotorfinger" isn't going to go out and buy "Crown of Thorns," right? That's just not the way it works. Like I said, the only people who buy bootlegs are the true fans who have already bought the albums. Why? The boots are *way* more expensive than the albums, and the sound quality is usually *much* worse. But if you're a big enough fan, boots are a great thing to own. If you've already got a copy of "Badmotorfinger" and are presented with an opportunity to buy "Crown of Thorns," you wouldn't say "Nah, I think I'll just buy a second copy of 'Badmotorfinger,'" right? The band isn't losing any money due to boot trade because those who are buying the boots have already bought the official stuff. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think anyone purchases bootlegs in order to bypass having to buy an official release. The price is too high and the sound is too bad. The reason for boots, as I see it, is to supplement the collections of those who have *already* purchased the official material and concert tickets. Their money has already gone to the band. Thus, the band really isn't losing any money due to the circulation of boots. Sorry to be so long-winded. And this is all IMHO, of course. :) Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Trung Tran wrote: > > How do you guys feel about getting SG bootlegs? I have been presented > the opportunity to buy one but I don't know if it would be right or not. > On one hand, SG gets no profits from them yet it is their music being > sold. On the other hand, when Chris drives around in one his Porsches > does he really give a fuck if some guy in Texas buys Fresh Deadly > Rarities or not? What do you all think. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't think I really Understand you And I can't see why I'd ever want to And even if it isn't mine to say I'll say it anyway It's ugly --C. Cornell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And be sure to check out http://www.indiana.edu/~drumline/home.html ------------------------------ From: Jentje Subject: New Music I jsut caught the last half of Muchmusic's the New Music and yes there was Soundgarden on there. They talked about how Soundgarden did that Molson Blind Date thingy and they also showed clips from BUTOW at the end. I didn't see the beginning so since it will be playing again at 12h30, I'm going to try to catch the first half (as well as tape the wee bit 'o SG content that they had ;). Toodles!!! ~>Jenn ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: SG bootleg dilemma Whoops. I meant "complement," not "supplement." I still get those mixed up. I just don't think anyone views boots as a replacement for the official releases. . . Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Ross Filipek wrote: > too high and the sound is too bad. The reason for boots, as I see it, is > to supplement the collections of those who have *already* purchased the - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't think I really Understand you And I can't see why I'd ever want to And even if it isn't mine to say I'll say it anyway It's ugly --C. Cornell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And be sure to check out http://www.indiana.edu/~drumline/home.html ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Hello Cleveland! Hey List Somewhere in here... there is some SG content...somewhere... :-) Oh yeah...to any Buffalo sommsters (all 2 of us) _Down Under on the Upside_ can be found (1 copy $22.99) at that weird record store on Main St...New World Records, I think...the one that just got robbed and riddled with bullets :-) Anyway...I'm going to Cleveland this weekend to spend some quality RnR time in the Flats, the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame and maybe even a Cav's game (that I have tickets to) :-) I was informed that the Hall of Fame doesnt allow camera's inside (which totally sucks) cuz I was gonna take some pics of the Seattle exhibit for da page. Vikki (un)fortunately *hand wrote* (http://carpeltunnel.org) the SUB POP contract with SG (hmmm...gotta watch out with the SG initials...some loser might say "you into Spice Girls") and I was hoping to snap a pic of the contract and the exhibit...maybe I can sneak in a camera :-) Disposables will pass a metal detector? No? I'm wondering if any Cleve-landers can recommend any cool indie/vinyl stores in downtown Cleveland? 700+ people on this list...someone must live in Cleveland :-) There is one major thing missing in my SG collection ....and I know it can be found in Cleveland :-) I've checked Pollstar and the only band playing Saturday night is Sheryl Crow and Dishwalla...um...is there any other place in the Flats to check out? I don't see anything listed for Peabody's or the Aragon. Saturday (before, after and maybe during the game :-) I'll be at the Irish bar at the end of flats where it curves towards the mistake on the lake :-) ...If you're in the neighborhood...stop by and have a Guiness (or 2 :-) **lol** Steve - - "the more you take the less you feel the less you know the more you believe the more you have the more it takes today" U2 - "Last Night on Earth" ------------------------------ Subject: SG @ SonicIgnition From: seth There are 3 SG sound clips and 4 photos at http://sonicignition.com -- if you use their "Subsonic" entry, the link to one of the photos is duplicated, so you'll have to view it directly at http://sonicignition.com/Soundgarden/Soundgarden04.jpg. Kim makes an interesting point in one of the clips: he doesn't believe that what Soundgarden does, whilst not ugly, can be called fine art. He says that rock music is part of a folk genre, and as such is not fine art... seth ------------------------------ From: don <"ddd@plainview.com"@plainview.com> Subject: concerts Are you guys going to come to LUBBOCK TX soon I hope so we need some good rock in roll. c-ya don:-(( ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: SG bootleg dilemma At 09:25 PM 3/4/97 -0500, Ross Filipek wrote: > >I think it's safe to say that anyone who's willing to shell out the money >for a bootleg is a true fan of the band. And as a true fan, it's likely >that he or she already owns the official album releases. He or she may >have even seen the band in concert several times. Someone who doesn't >already have "Badmotorfinger" isn't going to go out and buy "Crown of >Thorns," right? That's just not the way it works. absolutely, and i absolutely agree with you. but... having said that, i made a conscious decision last year to *stop* buying cd bootlegs, and instead to focus on tape trading. tape trading of live shows is different in my mind because there is no money changing hands. it's not paying $30 and up to someone *else*. i know, it's a fine line. but with an audio tape and an honest trader, i don't see how sg is being hurt. no one profits; yes, they don't have control over what's released, etc etc etc., but at least no one is profiting. bootlegs are often of dubious quality, they get the song titles wrong, they often aren't the shows they say they are, etc etc etc, all those things s.russell pontificated upon last week. and so many people trade tapes these days, and a great majority of them will copy tapes at cost, or 2:1. so i'm trying to move forward, not back. and i understand that there isn't the tape trader network for sg like there is for someone like pj, and that there are shows that i won't hear unless i hear the cd... that's fine. i'll live. (i think ;->) so no, the band isn't losing any money, but i don't think that bootleggers (who are always pond scum) are entitled to make money off of someone else's art. period. they have brought nothing to it besides the ability to sneak a tape recorder into the show, and so what? so what. i'm not going to support them if i can possibly help it... but that's just my $.02, and i know other people feel strongly in the other direction. just offering a differing perspective. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Pamilyn1@aol.com Subject: Re: In Concert Geesh, I almost hate to say this, i never wanted my working life to seep into this part of my life, but.................. I am a Tobacco Educator, this will be the ONLY time I ever post this, Chewing Tobacco kills faster, and it causes horrible face deformities, and mouth and throat cancer. Please don't anyone think it is a safe alternative to smoking, it's worse, and if any of you do talk to Chris, tell him, although I am sure it is the last thing he would want to hear( or listen too). We wouldn't want to see Chris with no jaw and tounge, would we??? Sorry to preach, please forgive me. ~Pamilyn ------------------------------ From: java4u@sos.net Subject: SG Rocktoon! There's a rocktoon website! There are tons of different rocktoons, one is even for SG! ------------------------------ From: "Jamal O. Johnson" Subject: RE: SG Rocktoon! >There's a rocktoon website! There are tons of different rocktoons, >one is >even for SG! Er....That's great but.....WHERE IS IT???? Heh heh - ---------- From: java4u@sos.net[SMTP:java4u@sos.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 1997 12:09 AM To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: SG Rocktoon! There's a rocktoon website! There are tons of different rocktoons, one is even for SG! ------------------------------ From: me Subject: rocktoons If no one has already beat me to this, the roctoons website is : www.crl.com:80/~tyman/rocktoons. That should be it. The only soundgarden picture I saw was a humurous one with them standing in a garden. Maybe they have some new ones(one). ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 57] ***************************************