From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 1 Mar 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 21:16:03 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 1 Mar 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: pick up artist. Re: pick up artist. re: new kozik sg poster Re: New Reader chris looks nothing like gavin!!!please help the world realize this!!! Grammy's/Inflatable Soule Re: pick up artist. Re: pick up artist. re: fork clarification sg inspires many things... Re: HYPE and other stuff re: fork clarification Re: pick up artist. re: fork clarification Re: New Reader Kim&Billy re: fork clarification SHIT!!!!!!!!!! CDNOW colored vinyl from vinyl ink The Grammy's again SG almost Grammy winners????/Susan Silver/Rob Zombie; not Matt Cameron Attack of the Killer Tomatoes = STUPID Re: HYPE Chris' Songs Attack of the Killer Tomatoes = SATIRE Re: Attack of the Killer Tomatoes = SATIRE the hot tub is open! ------------------------------------------------------------ From: JAMES COLES <808state@pixi.com> Subject: pick up artist. Regarding the 3/15/96 digest,where some girl claims that Chris tried to pick her up.I think maybe it could have been Sean(Matt's drum tech) he looks like Chris and trys to make you think that he is Chris. But of course Chris is much taller& and much more beautiful!! Just a thought:] ......NC ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_And=E9r?= Subject: Re: pick up artist. On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, JAMES COLES wrote: > Regarding the 3/15/96 digest,where some girl claims that Chris tried to > pick her up.I think maybe it > could have been Sean(Matt's drum tech) he looks like Chris and trys to make > you think that he is Chris. > But of course Chris is much taller& and much more beautiful!! > Just a thought:] > ......NC > Chris isn't very tall, is he? This Sean guy must be some kind of midget ;) /martin. ------------------------------ From: Andrea Pinto Subject: re: new kozik sg poster >WOW! look at this one, gang: >http://tiltpix.com/tilt/dist/kozik/sound.html Good find Caryn! I can't believe it's only 10 bucks! I might question the printing quality since it's priced so incredibly cheap. I wonder if this is the only piece that will ever come out of the Kozik/SG merchandising collaboration? Shroom: good 2 have u back. See you & Dena soon! ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: Re: New Reader shaikh wrote: > well, i must say that i just read my first issue of the Soundgarden > Digest (Thursday, 27 Feb. 1997) and find the comments in there > extremely repeatative. Please people. Well, well... We're very sorry that we did'nt live up to your expectations. I'm sure everyone will try harder to keep you entertained. Give me a break... By the way, I was thinking the other day of the ways Soundgarden's music has truly helped my life. I really use music to enhance my moods and I think that Badmotorfinger played a large part in my athletics when I was in college. I know it sounds meatheadish, but I wrestled in college and, before my matches, I would have my walkman blasting BMF. It would really help me get mentally focused and ready for the match. This is one of many of instances which I can directly attribute SG to success in my life. Has anyone else used SG to acheive a goal or success? [Hoping to direct thread content away from Ben's ass] >;-o Later, Taylor - -"It'd be a lot cooler if you did..." - -- D. Taylor Holmes Senior Quality Assurance Analyst, Automated Test Coordinator Datastream Systems Software, Inc. home: holmest@netdepot.com work: holmest@dstm.com ------------------------------ From: spierce@mpls.k12.mn.us (Sandy Pierce) Subject: chris looks nothing like gavin!!!please help the world realize this!!! today some people were looking at my wallet at school and someone pointed to a picture of our dear chris and said, "is this that guy from bush?" and i just about had a heart attack!! i couldn't believe it! i ripped my wallet out of his hands, even the suggestion of a similarity is sacrilige!! it still surprises me when people don't recognize the members of soundgarden. maybe it's because i see them all day long (on my walls, in my mind) but still, to mistake chris for gavin? it was horrible. amanda ------------------------------ From: mark filleman Subject: Grammy's/Inflatable Soule Thanks to everyone who responded to my first entry to the digest. A quick clarification-Mark Filleman is my husband-for future reference my name is Kristen. As usual the Grammy's were pretty much a predictable bore. So what else is new ? It was cool seeing Chris & Susan though and thank God Soundgarden as a band seems intact for now ! One more thing-Does anybody know where " So Sad " by Inflatable Soule is available ? Any band that contains 3 Cornell siblings & is managed by Susan Silver has to be incredible. I've searched every record store in Houston to no avail. Is it even out yet ? ------------------------------ Subject: Re: pick up artist. From: seth > Chris isn't very tall, is he? This Sean guy must be some kind of midget ;) Actually, Chris is about 6'3" and Sean is more like 5'8" or 5'9" (maybe even a little shorter, I don't remember) -- but his face, hair and clothes are remarkably similar to Chris'. seth ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Re: pick up artist. Is Sean the drum tech they show in motorvision? ------------------------------ From: COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu Subject: re: fork clarification There have been some questions regarding the article where Chris stated that he got his fork necklace from Shannon Hoon and then stopped wearing it once he died and how Eliza touched it in Chicago. Not trying to cause any hard feelings or stir the kettle black or anything, but I question that the necklace she touched was the fork one. I was there, and in the pics, this necklace is quite small with an inlaid stone near the bottom. While it does have two outward arching "prongs", if you will, on the top, it just doesn't look a thing like the infamous fork image. I can't recall who now, but I know I discussed this with someone else in attendance in Chicago who had the same feeling as I did. I'm not saying Eliza misrepresented herself or anything *at all* like that, but just that she may have believed it was the fork and didn't clearly focus on it. She may have thought it was the fork, but I pretty much feel it was not. I'm sure I'll get flamed on this one, but it's my opinion and feeling. I'd love to be able to blow up the portion of the photo that clearly shows the necklace, and then if it was the fork I could be proved wrong and I wouldn't have a problem with it. I just don't see Chris saying something like that totally out of his ass, when it could easily be disproved by so many different sources. Maybe this necklace is one of the many copies/renditions of the first one, who knows. But...what it really looks like, to me, is one of those human-type images you see a lot of, where they have their arms outstretched over their head. I swear I can even see breasts in between these arms, and the rest is the rounded torso of the body. The inlaid stone might be the hips/belly. Anyway, just a take (my take) on how what he said in the article could very well be true. Bonnie ------------------------------ From: Rita Bonofiglio Subject: sg inspires many things... On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Taylor Holmes wrote: > This is > one of many of instances which I can directly attribute SG to success in > my life. Has anyone else used SG to acheive a goal or success? > > [Hoping to direct thread content away from Ben's ass] >;-o > > Later, Taylor > well, they've helped me...maybe not in achieving a goal or success...but every morning when i get up and the thought of going to school makes me want to hide under my bed, i think, hey! i'm gonna get to listen to soundgarden on my way to school on the walkman...and suddenly, a burst of energy overtakes me...and it lasts the whole ride to hell...of course its doesn't last long because i still have to sit through *boring* two hour lectures... if soundgarden can get me hyped to go to school...then they must be something special...nothing else on this earth can do that!! - -----rita b. protector of susan silver ;-) ------------------------------ From: Jordan Snodgrass Subject: Re: HYPE and other stuff > Also, I missed HYPE at the cinemas, now it's been released on video to > buy, and I just was wondering if anyone could tell me if the SG/AIC > content is substantial enough, like how often do they actually appear > in the video??? Well, I just saw it in the theatre a couple nights ago, and the soundgarden content is quite significant. - Kim is one of the main interviewies. - Susan Silver is another main interviewie. - The release of "Nothing To Say" as a single is portrayed as historic in the development of the seattle scene. - A long cut of "Searching With My Good Eye Closed" from the Superunknown tour is used to represent what the Seattle scene has become (big arenas filled with thousands of people). - Clips of the band jamming for Self Pollution Radio. - Lots of magazine covers. - Some other stuff I'm sure I forgot. As far as AIC, there wasn't much.. - a few magazine articles/covers. - a couple second clip of them performing live (looks like it's from Singles). - a clip of Layne with his pony tail hair do at Self Pollution Radio. Definately worth seeing.. except for the fact that the sound system at the theatre i saw it at sucked and kind of ruined it.. - -- js. mailto:jasnodgr@ucsd.edu http://sdcc8.ucsd.edu/~jasnodgr/um/ Tapes - http://sdcc8.ucsd.edu/~jasnodgr/tapes/ "The unexamined life is not worth living." ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: re: fork clarification On Fri, 28 Feb 1997 COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu wrote: > There have been some questions regarding the article where Chris stated > that he got his fork necklace from Shannon Hoon and then stopped > wearing it once he died and how Eliza touched it in Chicago. > > Not trying to cause any hard feelings or stir the kettle black or > anything, but I question that the necklace she touched was the fork > one. I was there, and in the pics, this necklace is quite small with > an inlaid stone near the bottom. While it does have two outward > arching "prongs", if you will, on the top, it just doesn't look a thing > like the infamous fork image. I can't recall who now, but I know I > discussed this with someone else in attendance in Chicago who had the > same feeling as I did. bonnie, what you're describing sounds like the necklace chris is wearing in the Details photo, of the nile river goddess. that has a stone in its base and is NOT the fork... eliza, can you go look at the details pix and see if what you touched is that? i'm not saying that you don't know the fork when you see it, BUT from bonnie's description it sounds identical to the necklace chris had on in that photo session. also, the fork does not have an inlaid stone, whereas the goddess does.... trying to be helpful, - --caryn ------------------------------ Subject: Re: pick up artist. From: seth > Is Sean the drum tech they show in motorvision? Shit, I got my drum techs mixed up. Matt's *old* drum tech was Sean (there are a few photos of him on the website, I think, taken by Jan van Oldenmark). The guy who looks like Chris is Matt's current tech and his name is Ted. Sorry about that. seth ------------------------------ From: Bonnie Cochran Subject: re: fork clarification Caryn wrote: > bonnie, what you're describing sounds like the necklace chris is wearing > in the Details photo, of the nile river goddess. that has a stone in its > base and is NOT the fork... > also, the fork does not have an inlaid stone, whereas the goddess does.... Yes, thank you Caryn!! That is the *exact* same necklace!!!! (I have the Details mag displayed here in my office.) Yeah, I knew I wasn't hallucinating. :) And I knew the necklace had a title of some sort, thanks for the enlightenment on the nile river goddess. I was almost thinking of a fertility type goddess (hah!) Yes, that was a joke, c'mon. > eliza, can you go look at the details pix and see if what you touched is > that? i'm not saying that you don't know the fork when you see it, BUT > from bonnie's description it sounds identical to the necklace chris had on > in that photo session. And again, I too wasn't trying to imply Eliza wouldn't know the fork. But from what I saw, and from the photos and the Details pix, it doesn't appear that he was wearing the fork. However, I do like the necklace he *is* sporting now. :) Bonnie ------------------------------ From: JesusCPose@aol.com Subject: Re: New Reader Yeah, I am new to the list and I used to listen to Soundgarden before cross-country meets and baseball games when I was in high school. I mainly listened to LTL, BMF, and SU. I always listened to some music before any athletic activity to clear my mind, and their music helped me relax before going into battle. I can definitely relate to you, I got a lot of my teammates to listen to something before games and got many of them into liking Soundgarden. Jesus ------------------------------ From: "Jamie C." Subject: Kim&Billy here's alittle bit of the story from the April 1994 edition of Spin: A minute later, Corgan, still probing, finally finds the key to Thayil's heart: "I hate how in magazine pictures, they always stick me somewhere in the back." Thayil explodes: "What do you mean? You write all the songs, and you do all the interviews. You play the instruments on the album. You control the band to the extent that most people think of Smashing Pumpkins as the Billy Corgan Experience, and all you care about is some photograph?" "But I hate it," Corgan says, "it means they don't think I'm the cute one." "Ooh," Thayil says a little too loudly as Corgan walks away, "I'll bet he's going to call his therapist in Chicago, wake her up at four in the morning, and tell her about that big, mean bear who made fun of him." The next day at the Big Day Out festival, Thayil is talking to Kim and Kelley Deal in the Breeders' dressing room when Corgan walks past wearing a long-sleeved Superman T-shirt like the one your four-year-old nephew probably owns. "You hurt me deeply," Corgan says, touching the giant S on his chest and pouting. "You hurt me deeply in my heart." The Pumpkins go on to play the best set anybody has ever heard them play, their usual passiveness and precision overlaid with an unfamiliar scrim of anger that throws their music into brilliant relief. Matt Cameron is a little astounded. "Kim should rent himself out as a tour shrink," he says. go check out the rest of the interview at Seth's site........ - -- - -JAmiE Care - ---------------------------------------------- ******* "Two of us, that's dangerous" * * (B.C.) * O O O * ---------------------------------- * * acoustic sounds...... * ***** * ****MoNaBoNe-J**** * * jcare@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca ******* ----------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: re: fork clarification On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Bonnie Cochran wrote: > > bonnie, what you're describing sounds like the necklace chris is wearing > > in the Details photo, of the nile river goddess. that has a stone in its > > base and is NOT the fork... > > > also, the fork does not have an inlaid stone, whereas the goddess does.... > > Yes, thank you Caryn!! That is the *exact* same necklace!!!! (I have > the Details mag displayed here in my office.) /me bows ;-) > Yeah, I knew I wasn't hallucinating. :) And I knew the necklace had a > title of some sort, thanks for the enlightenment on the nile river > goddess. I was almost thinking of a fertility type goddess (hah!) Yes, > that was a joke, c'mon. there's a picture and explanation about the nile river goddess here: http://jblstatue.com/pages/nile_river_godd.html ...for those of you so inclined and/or obsesssed). i know so much about her because she is my 'patron saint', if you will... which is why i recognized the necklace immediately, and coveted it highly. (*very* highly, with or without the chris cornell connection.) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Aferdity@aol.com Subject: SHIT!!!!!!!!!! Well, I've read all the posts about how fucked up the Grammy's were and I couldn't agree more. I still taped it in hopes of SG getting to get up and make their little speech but all I got was some bald guy, a dude that looks like some blind hairdresser did his hair, and a woman that I actually thought thought her dress wasn't cut too low. Can't you tell I'm bummed. Also, if that's not enough, I didn't get the interview with Chris on tape. WWWWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! If anyone out there did in fact tape this (I know you're out there, I can hear you breathing !HAHA!) please let me know so we can work out some sort of a deal so I can get a copy from you. PPPPLLLLEASE!!!!! Now, I'm going to go wallow in my depressed state for awhile!!!! Take care and be sweet!! Stay Cool, Kelly :) ------------------------------ From: me Subject: CDNOW This is funny if not hilarious. I was checking out cdnow' website looking at imports and stuff of sg material. Well they have track listings for albums so for some reason I looked at badmotorfingers track listing, and rustycage is listed as nasty cage!! Well thats about as funny as birth control. Uh those who are new to the mailing list might not get the latter.. I like to watch her sway, She's luck before I'm going away.. ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: colored vinyl from vinyl ink Oh happy day! I finally own real, colored, limited edition, hand numbered, Soundgarden vinyl!! I got Flower (yellow) the songs are Flower, Head Injury, and Toy Box. I also have the BUTOW single (green) with the Moby remix. Just thought Id mention the songs for those who dont have these. I know alot of you probably do. What a treasure! Vinyl Ink was really speedy and did a good job with my order. I will be getting 2 more from Tessa very soon cuz she was so nice and took pity on me. Tessa, I will send ya a "thank you" gift with my check tomorrow I got paid today!! ;). Head high youve got to smile... Carol Slave4CC ------------------------------ From: SndGrdn45@aol.com Subject: The Grammy's again Ok, we all know that it sucks that SG didn't win, but I automatically knew they werent going to because the Pumpkins were in the same category. If the Pumpkins are in the same category, no other band can possibly win(well, this time.) I was really surprised that AIC was there because I knew thay weren't gonna win, or SG. I love them both better than Rage or SP, but those retards judging the gosh darn awards don't know shit. Who cares. In our hearts, they (SG especially) are the best! ------------------------------ From: Rebekah Henderson Subject: SG almost Grammy winners????/Susan Silver/Rob Zombie; not Matt Cameron I don't know if anybody else saw this, but at the Official SG website it says that SG narrowly escaped having to lug home another Grammy. Narrowly?? Does anybody else find this odd? I totally agree with Rita B! Susan Silver is a very intelligent woman, wonderful business person, and she should be respected. I'm sure that the comment made about her was probably meant to be sarcastic, however "bitch" is for the most part a negative word and negative words just don't apply to Susan Silver. Love you Susan!! Keep the boys in check! On the post Grammy show on MTV Serena-whatever-her-last-name-is got a short interview with Rob Zombie. He said that White Zombie were like Susan Lucci. Matt Cameron could have said it too, but that should be a coincidence don't you think?? :) May Soundgarden be with you. Rebekah ------------------------------ From: SJordet@aol.com Subject: Attack of the Killer Tomatoes = STUPID What does everyone have against Ben's ass...? ;) As a result of popular request, this post will make no comments on the gorgeous bassist's rear end. (but next time...;) Instead, I would like to bring up the subject of possibly the stupidest movie of all time - Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. For those of you who don't know what this movie has to do with Soundgarden, the main song in this movie - "Puberty Love" - is sung by the fifteen-year-old and then slightly off-key Matthew David Cameron. Yes, folks, this is where he made his big break, singing lyrics such as "...Puberty, puberty love/ there's nothing like puberty love/ it's so neat/ it's so cool..." If you think THOSE are stupid, you should see the rest of the movie... :P (it's so stupid, I haven't even had the patience to watch more than a half an hour of it at a time - I still haven't watched the whole thing) Does anyone else out there have this? And is it rare at all for a SOMMSter to own? My copy is an updated one, put out in '96. They have some stupid introduction to it and they've added a few new clips that were edited out of the original. If I'd just seen the movie and not known that Matt had sung Puberty Love, I would have never ever ever even considered buying or renting or watching this movie again. But, the fact the Matt had sung that song for that movie when he was 15 is VERY cool - it makes the experience very surreal. It makes it well worth the $10 bucks I paid for it. If anyone here does have it, let me know what you think of it. See? I didn't mention youknowwhat once. Benlover =) ------------------------------ From: Dean Brandt Subject: Re: HYPE At 11:04 28/02/97 +0800, you wrote: >Thanks guys! > >After all the lovely mail I received, I immediately rang and ordered my copy >of HYPE, and guess what? Not only is it bargain priced at a mere $25 (AUS), >but you also receive a free t-shirt..now is that good karma or what? To any >other Australian(Perth) sommsters, Archie Martin Vox/Chandlers is the place >to get it, but the t-shirts are only available while stocks last (of >course)and I got the last one from the store I rang. Hi Jo..and everyone else :) yepo same same $25 AUS from Blockbuster in Rundle Mall, Adelaide and I got a t-shirt too :) Dean +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dean Brandt ph: +61-8-82673143 IGM fax: +61-8-82673143 internet services manager integration - design - www mob: 0414-254-988 +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: merlin Subject: Chris' Songs >Corgan's songs are far more personal than anything Cornell could >ever write. "Blow Up The Outside World," "Pretty Noose," "Boot Camp," BIMH, FOBD, TDITTL, "4th of July," "Zero Chance," "Like Suicide," BHS. . . How could anything the Pumpkins have ever done possibly compare to these songs - some of *the* greatest, most beautiful, most poetic, most passionate, most stunning and yes, most *personal* songs ever written? There aren't enough adjectives to describe Chris Cornell and the music he writes. I owe so much to him... as a writer and a person he's one of my biggest inspirations. Because of his honest, heartfelt lyrics and music at times I've felt closer to him than to anyone else in the world. So many times he's saved me from feeling like I was completely alone, and his songs have helped give me strength when I needed it most. Chris Cornell is ten thousand times the singer, songwriter and musician than Billy Corgan could ever dream to be. >So it's kind of an unfair way to ask the question when nobody here >cares about even delving into the subject of what BWBW might >actually be about... Don't try and assume what other people do and don't care about. BWBW happens to be a song that I like, the only Pumpkins song aside from "Cherub Rock" that I actually feel a connection to, b/c of both the lyrics and the music. And as w/ all songs I like, I've come up w/ my own interpretation of the lyrics. And I do identify w/ them, and I do appreciate them, but they don't touch me the way that Chris' do. Corgan's lyrics & music in BWBW & "Cherub Rock" are full of rage and fervor, but they lack the complexity, depth, strength, assurance & optimism (yes, I said optimism) of many of Chris'. They're also not nearly so creative, or beautiful. They're good - but still they don't even come close. Listen to "Blow Up The Outside World" - an absolute *epic* - and then go back and listen to something Corgan's done. I really don't know why I'm taking the time to defend Chris' songs... they speak for themselves - and it's not like what you said matters. But still I just can't help it. That's all for now. . . ~Lorraine "Nothing seems to break me no matter how far I fall nothing can break me at all. . ." ------------------------------ From: gene Subject: Attack of the Killer Tomatoes = SATIRE I have it. I love it. Parts of it were filmed near my area and around San Diego when I was a kid. It is one of my favorite cult movies. You should see what goes on in a theatre when they show this movie at midnight. Very Rocky Horror Picture Show. Didn't Matt say he did not sing in the movie? Maybe you should try taking in the whole movie. It's not meant to be serious. Have your favorite libation, a snack and some friends over. Critique it, laugh at and with it. Have a party! SJordet@aol.com wrote: > > Instead, I would like to bring up the subject of possibly the stupidest movie > of all time - Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. For those of you who don't know > what this movie has to do with Soundgarden, the main song in this movie - > "Puberty Love" - is sung by the fifteen-year-old and then slightly off-key > Matthew David Cameron. Yes, folks, this is where he made his big break, > singing lyrics such as "...Puberty, puberty love/ there's nothing like > puberty love/ it's so neat/ it's so cool..." If you think THOSE are stupid, > you should see the rest of the movie... :P (it's so stupid, I haven't even > had the patience to watch more than a half an hour of it at a time - I still > haven't watched the whole thing) > > Does anyone else out there have this? And is it rare at all for a SOMMSter to > own? My copy is an updated one, put out in '96. They have some stupid > introduction to it and they've added a few new clips that were edited out of > the original. > > If I'd just seen the movie and not known that Matt had sung Puberty Love, I > would have never ever ever even considered buying or renting or watching this > movie again. But, the fact the Matt had sung that song for that movie when he > was 15 is VERY cool - it makes the experience very surreal. It makes it well > worth the $10 bucks I paid for it. > > If anyone here does have it, let me know what you think of it. > > See? I didn't mention youknowwhat once. > Benlover =) ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Attack of the Killer Tomatoes = SATIRE At 09:35 PM 2/28/97 -0800, gene wrote: >Didn't Matt say he did not sing in the movie? no, matt does sing, it's just not his picture that's in it (shroom asked him at the ok hotel in october). hey, dena won a cd during the AOL chat for asking about attack of the killer tomatoes! ;-) and i have to agree with gene -- it's not meant to be serious cinema. ;-) i loved that movie for years before i even knew there was anything soundgarden-related.... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: the hot tub is open! you know what to do.... ;-) tonight's topic: what would you do if you found seth perlman lying unconscious in a field? - --caryn ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 53] ***************************************