From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 26 Feb 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 01:54:15 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 26 Feb 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: A fight, a fight soundgarden in the movies a fight? a fight Re: A fight, a fight Thanks for not flaming me anarchy; another note to vince ascap sg decorating tips sg-shirts SG break-up BULLS@#T away it goes....making no waves Re: NO! THEY CAN'T BREAKUP!! Re: FOPP Re: NO! THEY CAN'T BREAKUP!! Johnny Cash Re: The Naked Truth Re: anarchy; another note to vince Re: Just a thought... Chris and Creedance Re: ANGEL BEN!! Re: show me the money!..oops, i mean funk ;-) Re: Lord help you... Leave Ben alone Re: Re: NO! THEY CAN'T BREAKUP!! Re: anarchy; another note to vince Hi and stuff ------------------------------------------------------------ From: EDTK53B@prodigy.com (MR JEFFREY D LOCKHART) Subject: A fight, a fight I heard somebody talkin about SG fightin somebody I mean as a thread. Wel personally I don't want to see them doin that but for the sake of the thread I have an idea. SG should get in thier timemachine go back to the 80's and beat the living hell out of that bunch of homos that called themselves the Culture Club, and they also need to beat the crap out of The Violent Femms and Megadeth. I was Foppin and Rockin had the whole house boppin. Jeff ------------------------------ From: me Subject: soundgarden in the movies I always hear about people bringing up the fact that soundgarden has been accepted by television, like suddenly susan, and the naked truth, I dont know if any one ever brought this up, I saw the cable guy, and the freind of mathew brodericks character was wearing the screaming elf t-shirt. Just thought I'd share that, btw what's up with hype! is it going straight to video? All my kings have fallen down.. ------------------------------ From: fergusja@mala.bc.ca Subject: a fight? thats real intelligent, jeff ------------------------------ From: me Subject: a fight Yeah expect Soundgarden to be at wrestlmania, they will take on Motley Crue in a cage match. Oh and soundgarden's timemachine dont work they ran out of pletonium. BTW the violent femmes are an excellent band!! ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: A fight, a fight On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, MR JEFFREY D LOCKHART wrote: > SG should get in thier timemachine go back to the 80's and beat > the living hell out of that bunch of homos that called themselves the > Culture Club, and they also need to beat the crap out of The Violent > Femms and Megadeth. so, soundgarden should beat up a band because it contained members that were homosexual? you obviously know ZERO about soundgarden, asshole. they would be more likely to beat up a band full of ignorant frat boys like yourself than they would be to hurt someone because their sexual orientation was different than their own. chris used to take a lot of shit in the early days for the long hair and the way he used to flaunt it... the violent femmes were one of the best bands that the american underground of the 80's produced. go listen to the lfirst album, if you even have the intelligence to figure out where "V" is in the alphabet, which i doubt. i don't know enough about megadeth to defend them intelligently, but i'm sure someone here can. SHROOM! where are you?! we need a lengthy discussion about chris cornell and dave navarro in a hot tub... or mabye chris and matt and their extra-curricular activities while susan is out of town.... ;-> - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Spoonmn94@aol.com Subject: Thanks for not flaming me Thanks for not flaming me, just kicking me off the list. I was getting sick of the boring, idle chat that consisted of every aspect of Chris Cornell's life. I thought that stuff was more boring or less relevant than what I said. I did not know it, but this list seems to have a class system, and I did not fit the mold for this group, I got kicked off for just telling my opinions, which is a whole hell load more interesting to read than someone who had the same pathetic dream every night or how much Bush sucks. Seth should start another list where it is not like a f---ing country club, not like high school were all the cool people get to say what they want, but the losers get shelled out. See ya guys under another screen name. Spoonmn94 ------------------------------ From: "merlin.dwc@internetmci.com" Subject: anarchy; another note to vince Hey... First off I just wanted to say to Lissa - you will see SG live! We'll all get a chance to see them again, I'm sure of it. :) Someone asked what anarchy is, and then said that they think people who listen to "alternative" music must be advocates of anarchy. Well, anarchy is basically disorder, esp in a political sense. "Anarchist" is a term often used to describe someone who basically just flagrantly ignores or breaks rules/laws and goes around complaining about the gov't but doesn't do a thing to try and improve it. Anarchy's been the subject of a lot of punk songs, and I guess it's stereotypical that people who listen to punk music or are in punk bands, etc. are anarchists. But that's just it - it's stereotypical. I listen to punk, = metal, alt, whatever... lots of different kinds of music and *I'm* not an anarchist. You could be a staunch Republican and be a big Sex Pistols fan. The kind of music a person listens to has nothing to do w/ their political standpoint. And one more thing. . . Vince - don't test your loyalty?! Now Vince, don't you think you're being just a tad melodramatic? I think you know that your response to what I said about SNL was less than tactful, and really unnecessary, and you're just pissed that I called you on it. And is the best you could come up w/ "puppethead"? That's all for now... =3D) ~Lorraine = "Nothing seems to break me = no matter how far I fall nothing can break me at all. . ." ------------------------------ From: me Subject: ascap Heres the address to ascap http://ascap.com:80/ascap.html. Here you can find out some stuff on soundgarden. Just go to ace on the web. I have the adress to sg's publishing company, I found it on ascap. ------------------------------ From: me Subject: sg decorating tips If I was mandy I would have stuck the sticker on the fridge. ------------------------------ From: me Subject: sg-shirts Does any one know how to get those hard to find white soundagrden shirts with the ultramega S on the back?? I tried to order one 3 years ago but the company went out of buisness, then this summer I saw some guy in the supermarket wearing one. I know they still make em. "Shareef dont like it.." "rockin the Casbah" ------------------------------ From: Valahovic Subject: SG break-up BULLS@#T From: Stephanie V The reason why some people have to come up with these rumors is, other than that Chris, Ben, Kim, and Matt are the members of a popular band, make lots of money, Chris has mucho grande dogs, and is especially fond of the two little happy fluffy ones he owns, most people can't except that Chris, Ben, Kim, and Matt lead really average lives. In the 80s' the bands that were popular then were on heavy duty drugs, dating models, and/or getting bailed out of jail (maybe or maybe not all at the same time). With the exception of the alleged incedent, Kim Thayil vs Heather and her band of intoxicated idiots, not much else has happened. ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: away it goes....making no waves well, the Wellwater Conspiracy 7" is going to our very own mpeg king, Mr Geoffrey Guacamole Kleemola ;-) Some of you entered a bit too late *however*, i think i can get some more (there are only 1000 - dont people own the rest of them?? Anyway, the guy I got this one from thinks he can get a few more but I have to order them - they would only be $5 each with postage, etc. So, those of you who were interested in it, let me know ASAP and I will see if i can get him to order 'em...not sure how many he can get, but i can try... as for all this fighting/ben's hot ass/'women love them cuz they're hot' crapola ...PLEASE STOP! this is not Teen Beat (and that was *not* an age slam...)...'nuff said... as for jason being too butt-rock, i totally agree..i was watching the Hands All Over video the other day and kept singing "Hair All Over"...between Chris and Jason swinging and banging, i can see how that was not the image they wanted to sustain... over and out, eliza -the rarities magnet lately ;-) *********************************** We are built upon false foundations We are built upon misplaced expectations and blown away... --Handsome ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Re: NO! THEY CAN'T BREAKUP!! Aleko wrote: > > The fundamental differences between Kim and Ben is that Ben is a dickhead > and Kim is not. > > "Rock n' roll doesn't have a soul, just a dick and a wallet" > --- Kim Thayil No Ben is punk rock all the way. ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: FOPP Yeah. But think how cool it would be if it actually *was* a Soundgarden song. Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Cornholio wrote: > my chest. I think that FOPP is the best Soundgarden song ever! From - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't think I really Understand you And I can't see why I'd ever want to And even if it isn't mine to say I'll say it anyway It's ugly --C. Cornell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And be sure to check out http://www.indiana.edu/~drumline/home.html ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: Re: NO! THEY CAN'T BREAKUP!! The fundamental differences between Kim and Ben is that Ben is a dickhead and Kim is not. "Rock n' roll doesn't have a soul, just a dick and a wallet" --- Kim Thayil ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Johnny Cash Any one else notice ol' Johnny left out the Hits like a phillips head into my brain.? I'd like to see Soundgarden cover Ring of fire, Social Distortion did, but it sounds like any other Social Distorion song. ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: Re: The Naked Truth On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 DodeRoad@aol.com wrote: > < into a fight, which one do you think would win?????>> > > Ben. Who else? :) > > Only if he could use his bass as a weapon. Otherwise Matt would win. Kim would be good at arguing his point, Chris would be to drunk and Ben would find out its much harder to beat up people because they fight back (unlike his equipment). Plus Matt's strenght and co-ordination must be pretty good. "Rock n' roll doesn't have a soul, just a dick and a wallet" --- Kim Thayil ------------------------------ From: Vince Varkey Subject: Re: anarchy; another note to vince On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, merlin.dwc@internetmci.com wrote: > Vince - don't test your loyalty?! Now Vince, don't you think you're > being just a tad melodramatic? I think you know that your response > to what I said about SNL was less than tactful, and really > unnecessary, and you're just pissed that I called you on it. > And is the best you could come up w/ "puppethead"? Who is being melodramatic Lorraine? And who is the one that is pissed? Read this next part care real carefully: all I did was critique your opinion..I didn't insult you, got it? You like the SG snl performance; I don't. Who fucking cares? It is an opinion. So chill the fuck out. And about the loyalty part - I was referring to the way you said that I didn't appreciate the effort that Chris put forth on SNL. I just found that a little bit insulting.You don't know what I was thinking during it so please don't attempt to do so here. And I did not call you a puppethead. If you read what I had posted more carefully you would have seen that I was talking about the follow-the- trend-"puppetheaded"-blind fans who never find fault with what their favorite band is up to. I am not like that. If SG does something that I do not like, I have no problem saying so. And that is exactly what I did here. I hope I have made myself perfectly clear. Now if you want to continue this, take it to private email. Stop polluting the list with this. And also remember these three magic words Lorraine: Don't be ignorant. Thanks. - -vince ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: Re: Just a thought... I would prefer Ben leaving because: A Kim is needed to write heavy songs B Kim is cooler C Kim has a beard D Kim is better at concerts E Ben is a dickhead F Kim drinks lots of beer "Rock n' roll doesn't have a soul, just a dick and a wallet" --- Kim Thayil ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Chris and Creedance Doesnt Chris kinda sound like Jhon Fogarty now. (I think thats how you spell his name). Maybe Sg should cover Traveling Band. That would rock, or maybe Born on a Bayu. Oh the possibilitys are endless. "Escape is never always and forever endless" ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: Re: ANGEL BEN!! I think a lot of people said they would rather see Ben leave instead of Kim( I was one of them). However this doesn't mean we want Ben to leave(well some of us do). The best scenario would be the band staying as they are in regards to personel. "Rock n' roll doesn't have a soul, just a dick and a wallet" --- Kim Thayil ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: Re: show me the money!..oops, i mean funk ;-) On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, eliza wrote: >> > I agree with you Jamie...*but* I think it is interesting to note that the > latest Soundgarden single was released with a Moby remix (which i > absolutely *love*)....everyone can disagree with me, but this is not > something I think SG would have done 5 years ago....techno and that funky > sound are definitely huge right now, and they have gone down that road, > even if just a little bit......for me, it is great, because the diversity > of SG is what has kept me obsessed for so many years... > > eliza > > What about the FOPP remix . That was pretty funky IMHO. That was how long ago now... shit it's been about 10 years. "Rock n' roll doesn't have a soul, just a dick and a wallet" --- Kim Thayil ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: Re: On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Taylor Holmes wrote: > Dan Hearsch wrote: > > ...was centered in the middle of the floor, with the pit all around > > it. there were two stages,. one was nearly circular, with some weird > > shaped outcroppings and steps and stuff, and the other was shaped > > like one of those old guitars bodies from the eighties metal bands, > > the ones like cc deville from poison used to play, shaped kind of > > like a very angular tooth, for lack of a better description. anyway, > > my point (read: sg content) is - do you think that this is the way > > concerts will go in a lot of cases, or is this going to be something > > unique here? > > ... and maybe SG could get Matt's drumset to lift up and spin while > traversing over the crowd, and they could get big fireworks that shoot > out of tubes on the sides of the stage, and maybe even Chris and Kim > could practice playing their guitars in uniform rocking motions... > And they could put weird make up on and big Platform shoes and, Ben could breathe fire and spit Blood, Kim could shoot rockets from his guitar, and they could write simple catchy rock tunes with lyrics like: "You're good looking and you're looking like you should be good" They could get stage names Matt -> The cat, Kim -> Spaceman, Chris -> Starchild and Ben -> God of Thunder. Yeah that could work :) > I don't think Soundgarden will employ many of the tactics of the arena > butt rock scene. They'll probably just keep playing medium size venues > and keep the focus on the music. From the concerts I've seen, the > energy of their music always provides more than enough entertainment > regardless of stage props or setup... > Dan brings up an interesting point though... now that it seems that > dance and new age disco is 'coming back around', do you think that arena > butt rock will catch back on? It's all a circle... > > Later, Taylor > > -"CC pick up that guitar and talk to me." > > -- > D. Taylor Holmes > Senior Quality Assurance Analyst, Automated Test Coordinator > Datastream Systems Software, Inc. > home: holmest@netdepot.com > work: holmest@dstm.com > "Rock n' roll doesn't have a soul, just a dick and a wallet" --- Kim Thayil ------------------------------ From: wxs129@psu.edu (Kesa) Subject: Lord help you... >Aleko wrote: > >The fundamental differences between Kim and Ben is that Ben is a dickhead >and Kim is not. > > > > "Rock n' roll doesn't have a soul, just a dick and a wallet" > --- Kim Thayil Good God man, may the Lord be with you... Go easy on this poor soul. I don't suspect he really has a chance. Everyone seems to be somewhat on edge lately. It does make things interesting, but not really in a good way. I feel a little sick to my stomach whenever confronted with open hostility. Anyway, I don't seem to get as much of a chance to write to the list as I'd like to (Physical Chemistry is evil). Something blind dog said made me think a little though. >it looks like the band will be saving any material they have left over or have >since written for their next full-length release. This is fine with me. I don't have the time or money to go out looking for expensive singles to simply hear one song I haven't heard before. I like the anticipation of a new album coming out consisting entirely of new songs, and I think Soundgarden does us a service by trying to save a lot of their material for the albums. You know what? I'll have to admit that Soundgarden is not my favorite band. They're definitely way up there, but the reason I'm on this list isn't because I like their music more than any other. It's because the list itself is so cool. I was on a Pearl Jam list a while ago (my favorite group perhaps until I discovered Dave Matthews Band), but I don't know if it was just a slow *three months* or what, but the conversation there completely failed to compare with what was going on here. And the more I listen to all of you raving about Soundgarden, the more interested I become in them. I'll admit I was hooked by Superunknown, but I've been expanding my Soundgarden tastes for over a year now--I have Badmotorfinger and Louder Than Love, as well as AITS and DOTU--and it's been all because of you folks. I guess I'll consider it self-improvement. ;) Enough. Sleep is what I need after 40 hours without any. (Like I said, P Chem is evil.) Kesa One final thought. If you wore a sign that said when you were joking, then people would think you were joking. But then that's the point, I guess. ,,,, (-_-) /_o_\ ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Leave Ben alone Ben's not a richardhead, Ben is an oditie, look at the name of his publishing company. Its not my job to defend a band, but if you never met the guy you should have nothing to say about him. You guys are like a bunch of old ladys gossiping while you have your hair done.. ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: Re: Dan Hearsch wrote: > ...was centered in the middle of the floor, with the pit all around > it. there were two stages,. one was nearly circular, with some weird > shaped outcroppings and steps and stuff, and the other was shaped > like one of those old guitars bodies from the eighties metal bands, > the ones like cc deville from poison used to play, shaped kind of > like a very angular tooth, for lack of a better description. anyway, > my point (read: sg content) is - do you think that this is the way > concerts will go in a lot of cases, or is this going to be something > unique here? ... and maybe SG could get Matt's drumset to lift up and spin while traversing over the crowd, and they could get big fireworks that shoot out of tubes on the sides of the stage, and maybe even Chris and Kim could practice playing their guitars in uniform rocking motions... I don't think Soundgarden will employ many of the tactics of the arena butt rock scene. They'll probably just keep playing medium size venues and keep the focus on the music. From the concerts I've seen, the energy of their music always provides more than enough entertainment regardless of stage props or setup... Dan brings up an interesting point though... now that it seems that dance and new age disco is 'coming back around', do you think that arena butt rock will catch back on? It's all a circle... Later, Taylor - -"CC pick up that guitar and talk to me." - -- D. Taylor Holmes Senior Quality Assurance Analyst, Automated Test Coordinator Datastream Systems Software, Inc. home: holmest@netdepot.com work: holmest@dstm.com ------------------------------ From: SJordet@aol.com Subject: Re: NO! THEY CAN'T BREAKUP!! alyberop@socs.uts.EDU.AU wrote: >The fundamental differences between Kim and Ben is that Ben is a dickhead >and Kim is not. I had something quite nasty prepared for this line, but decided not to sink that low. Have you ever met Ben? No, I'm guessing you haven't. You don't know anything about him besides that fact that Ben likes to spit into the audience - right? If you ask me, that's not very good karma ripping on someone you know nothing about. My new theory on why Ben is the way he is goes like this: we all know how much he hates the press and large mobs of fans mauling him, right? If this guy, an intimidatingly spry 6'4" tall, puts on the act that he's tough and full of piss and vinegar and'll kick the shit out of anyone who looks at him crosseyed, fans and press will be more likely to leave him alone, eh? Am I right? Is there anyone else out there who finds this point logical? I was having fun, now I'm just getting a little pissed that people are so wrapped up in a little spit and a long middle finger that they can't actually see what a wonderful person and musician this boy is. Thank you again to the people who are helping me stick up for Ben, Benlover ------------------------------ From: Tiffany Saint Subject: Re: anarchy; another note to vince On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, merlin.dwc@internetmci.com wrote: > Someone asked what anarchy is, and then said that they think people > who listen to "alternative" music must be advocates of anarchy. Well, > anarchy is basically disorder, esp in a political sense. "Anarchist" is > a term often used to describe someone who basically just flagrantly > ignores or breaks rules/laws and goes around complaining about the > gov't but doesn't do a thing to try and improve it. Anarchy's been the I'm sorry, I just can't let this pass. Anarchism is not "disorder", Anarchism is a political theory. Anarchists typically belive that all governments are inherently flawed, and that cooperation and social conscience should replace laws and government opression. Most Anarchists recognize the human tendency to oganize themselves into groups and the need for transit systems, etc. One form of Anarchy is Liberal Socalism, which is what I have tried to describe above. Other forms of Anarchy are based less on cooperation and more on the primacy of individual freedom. Soundgarden content: I have never heard that any of the members of Soundgarden are themselves Anarchists. The (Artists Against Hate and Intolerance? what was it again?) sticker that came with the fan club package sounded COMPATIBLE with Anarchism, but it isn't necessarily an Anarchist organization. The organization also sounded compatible with Representational Democracy, so that doesn't prove anything. Tiffany - ----- Experimental Media Research Laboratory, Northern California For more Information, http://emrl.com or email INFO@EMRL.COM. ------------------------------ From: Mandy Crook Subject: Hi and stuff Hi guys, this is desparation and there will be some SG content. I was wondering if any Sydney SOMMSters had spare tickets to Tool in Newcastle or Canberra? Ive missed out waiting for another Sydney gig to be announced! SG content...... I'll share a little home decorating tip, have ever wished you had a Soundgarden fridge magnet? well I did so I bought a cool JCP sticker and put it on some thick cardboard then stuck some of that thin strip magnet stuff on the back.... voila! a beautiful fridge magnet. (OK so its a bit weak on the SG content but since they left Australia I havent had much to say, expect I wish they were still here). Cheers Mandy ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 50] ***************************************