From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 24 Feb 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:35:51 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Monday, 24 Feb 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: SOUNDGARDELICIOUS!!!!!! =) The History of Soundgarden and BEN New Album Re: New Album unreleased songs SGBOOTS Kim Thayil posters at NAMM Ben SG specials? Re: break up; The History of Soundgarden and BEN Updated page, SG poster predicament break up; note to vince Re: Ben call me silly Re: call me silly Stop the insanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANGEL BEN!! dusty remix can anybody answer??? 2 Rachels!!! Re: ANGEL BEN!! Don't read this... Re: Re: ohh No!! ------------------------------------------------------------ From: LoudLoveCC@aol.com Subject: SOUNDGARDELICIOUS!!!!!! =) ok guys, here's one for ya! If SG broke up, I'd personally kick all their asses in a fight. If SG members started fighting (physically), me and my homegirl (bear w/ me guys, I have a pt.) Susan would whoop all of their pink asses. (Hey, I kinda like this ebonics stuff...) And finally, here's a thread for ya SOMMSters... how about SG and New Edition fighting... I bet everyone's money is all on Bobbi Brown, right? Huh, I was kinda going for Johnnie Gill myself... ;-). Would anyone else pay to see that fight? Yeah, I know there's like 6 guys in New Edition, but, I kinda think just Ben could take them all w/ one arm behind his back and his good eye closed! Anyone else agree...??? Thanks to every darling/sweet/honey bunches of oats one of you that emailed me or posted to me in comfort. Believe me, it really did help. Especially considering the other girl in the accident was taken off life support last night. Damn, but this grieving stuff isn't my style. Life really sucks, y'know? And I *STILL* have yet to attend a SG concert. Of course you all are chatting away about the possibilities and lack of possibilities of SG breaking up, while I waste away into nothingness, thinking I'll never see the greatest band in the world live. I was driving home the other day, and BUTOW came on the radio. So, I go flying by my turnoff onto the main road and the more I pay attention to the lyrics, the more upset I get. It was like Chris was singing my feelings about never seeing them live. "I'd give you everything I own (to attend the concert)... wanting though I never would... wishing though I never could..." How does he know how I feel? GOD DAMMIT, I'M NEVER GONNA GO!!!!!!!! GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did I mention that this is upsetting to me? Except for Lollapalooza, the closest they came was Toronto. I was so excited when my mom told me I could go to the concert, anywhere in NY, except the city. WRONG!! They decided a different country would be better. Damn them... =). Well, enough babbling for now. What? Did you say, "finally!". Ok, I can go on... J/K! BTW, have I ever mentioned Chris is semi-good looking...;-)?? Just thought I'd ask... heh, heh, heh... love, lissa =) "Collector's fair, here I come... Collector's fair here I come... give me all your SG stuff... b/c if you don't the SOMMSters will beat me up..." put it to a tune, it's kind of catchy!! ------------------------------ From: dumo13@erols.com Subject: The History of Soundgarden and BEN Okay, this is probably going to piss a few people off, but I think if you're honest with yourself, you'll see I have a point. THE ABRIDGED VERSION OF SG HISTORY: At first SG made records with SubPop, although they have a few outstanding songs, the bulk is mediocre and their sound is very rough and heavy Then comes Ultramega Ok: let's face it, the mix sucks, BUT songwriting ability is improving, more good songs that are even better than the good songs on Screaming life and Fopp Louder Than Love: umm... we're reaching critical talent mass... I hate this album *********Ben Shepherd joins the Band********************* Badmotorfinger: do I really need to say anything? SuperUnknown: Soundgarden explodes, gains a gabillion fans worldwide, gets total radio and MTV saturation... whole sound changes, the band sounds competent Down On the Upside: It's nothing to beatup someone over, and it doesn't exactly make you want to go bang your head against the wall, but the song writing is phenomenal. The sound quality is phenominal. The shows are phenominal and where Superunknown only had three radio hits, DOTU is pumping out hit after hit. Face it, if Ben hadn't hit the scene, this list would consist of about thirty people. They'd be Soundgarden, but they wouldn't sound anything like they do now. We owe a hell of a lot of thanks to Ben Shepherd. I never could understand how a great many of you can overlook his contribution to the band. Each member has his own to offer, but you can't just disregard someone as technically talented and artistically gifted as Ben Shepherd as some fill-in bass player. Long live Ben, Chris ------------------------------ From: me Subject: New Album There was a time when soundgarden was churning out an album every year. So whats up with our dower sons?? Down on the upside is almost a year old. Year did the year go!! Hmmm maybe there new album will have a sound similar to Never the machine forever, and kyle petty?? ------------------------------ From: Pamilyn1@aol.com Subject: Re: New Album If I remember correctly, wasn't Soungarden on tour all last year? Where would they find the time to record another albulm? I would rather hear the quality music I have come to expect from sound garden, then to hear crap because they were trying to pump out an albulm a year. Other bands that started out pretty good have done that very thing and I am unable to listen to them now because it is assembly line music and it sucks. This is just my opinion. ~Pamilyn ------------------------------ From: me Subject: unreleased songs I ventured to the oficial soundgarden web site and notice there were lyrics to, 2 unreleased soundgarden songs. "Cleaning my gun" and "Ocean fronts". Does any one no anything about these songs. Other than that they are unreleased. ------------------------------ From: me Subject: SGBOOTS Does any one have any soundgarden bootleg cds they want to sell. I will even trade my Bootleg night to remember video, its not that bad. ------------------------------ From: Warewolf from Soundallot Subject: Kim Thayil posters at NAMM *disclaimer* the following e-mail contants Soundgarden related material that may NOT be suitable for people NOT on this list( in other words, If you are not on this list, don't read this message.)-this dosen't mean a thing, But I did get your attention though. It was the last day of the NAMM show in Anahiem CA,(for those of you who don't know what the NAMM show is, it is a convention were all the big abd little names in the general music feild congregate to show of thier new and old stuff, i.e. Dean Markley, Fender, Gibson, etc.) As I was walking past the Ernie Ball display booth I noticed some free posters of Kim. I turned to my brother and let out a huge, DUDE! LOOK! FREE POSTERS OF KIM! and there were about a-Kagillion of them there. However by brother seemed unaffected by my enthusiasum. He simply nodded his head and proceaded to the scarce quantity of 311 (Woo Hoo *insert sarcasam*) posters. I just wish that kim could have been there to give a demonstration of Ernie Ball strings. But alas, he was touring. But the day was not a total loss, I got a whole bunch of free crap that I didn't need (You can't beat that). Ryan (the gardian of the Soundallot Code of Honor.) Visit me web page at: http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/alley/7296 It is full of my own SG artwork and some homemade animations. If you people are using macs, watch out. I don't know why but every time I try to view my site to make sure everything is running Okay, the macs seem to crash or shut down netscape (some kind of error 11) but if you do get in on a mac, then the animations get screwed up. advice: view it through a P.C. if possible. If not, Beware. You Mac may develop random features (the polit. corr. term for virus'.) "Safe outside my guilded cage, I weild a ton of rage. Just like suicide." ------------------------------ From: "Jamie C." Subject: Ben in response to what Rebekah said: we have no idea what has been going on with sg, we can only speculate. so please, don't try to decipher who is the "problem" in the band until you are suddenly allowed 20 candid minutes to talk to them about it.... - -JAmiE Care *********************** ------------------------------ From: Rebekah Henderson Subject: SG specials? I read way back in the "Details" interview with Chris Cornell that SG were going to London to film some MTV specials. That had to be 5 or 6 months ago. I haven't seen anything! What happened? I think UKDeb posted something about them doing a MTV thing. Was this strictly a EuroMTV thing? May Soundgarden be with you. Rebekah ------------------------------ From: SJordet@aol.com Subject: Re: break up; The History of Soundgarden and BEN Chris and Lorraine - YOU RULE!!!!!! Ben deserves the attention and recognition these two SOMMSters are giving him. Keep it up! I never said I was subtle in making any of my points, ;) Benlover =) ------------------------------ From: SJordet@aol.com Subject: Updated page, SG poster predicament Just checked out the updated page - Seth you are a GOD! Any of you out there who have not checked out the updates, get your hind ends over there right away! Included in the new pictures is none other than Matt in his tighty whities! Whooie ladies (and I'm guessing a few guys), this fox is 100% MAN! There're also a bunch of other new things on the miscellaneous page much worth checking out - their holiday cards are very quirky. =) I'm guessing these guys are pretty great since they're opposed to Colombus Day - you gotta love 'em! And, does anyone have any SG posters around them, at their local music store? The ones you can pick up for $5 bucks or so. I've only been able to find one around here, a B&W one of them standing - I have the t-shirt of that, too. I've been to every store within a 30 mile radius and that's the only one any of them have. I could order some from the magazinges I have, but I hate to pay $20 bucks for a poster I haven't even seen. I'd be glad to ship out some bucks to anyone who does happen to find a different one. And if anyone else is in the same predicament, I could pick up that one for you. Thank you to anyone who can help, Benlover ------------------------------ From: "merlin.dwc@internetmci.com" Subject: break up; note to vince Hey... First off I want to say that I completely agree w/ what Caryn said in reference to SG's "break up." About 99% of what the media says is fabricated - by a bunch of pricks w/ nothing better to do or say. So Ben & Kim had a disagreement, so they got into a fight. So fucking what?! These things happen. And as for Ben leaving - Ben Shepherd is one of the greatest musicians/songwriters ever, and Soundgarden could never be the same w/out him. And Vince... so sorry what I said about SNL bothered you so much, I was merely expressing what we call an *opinion*. Maybe you've heard of that. You see, opinions are not fact and often times differ. In *my* opinion, CC pulled the performance off pretty well considering... and it was obvious that the audience understood and appreciated that. Too bad you couldn't. That's all for now... ~Lorraine "head high got to smile. . ." ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Ben At 04:29 PM 2/23/97 -0600, Jamie C. wrote: >in response to what Rebekah said: >we have no idea what has been going on with sg, we can only speculate. >so please, don't try to decipher who is the "problem" in the band until >you are suddenly allowed 20 candid minutes to talk to them about it.... ....and even then, it's none of our business, so you might not get the truth. i agree with jamie. 100%. but i also feel that as much as we love them, we have no right to know about their personal relationships and how they run the band. we can *want* to know, we can certainly have opinions... but like any relationship, you can't know from the outside what is really going on. (not that i'm saying that anything is going on -- i still maintain it's not). jesus christ. the man had a bad day. unfortunately he has to have it in front of a couple of thousand fans. when you or i have a bad day, we can hide in our offices or our dorm rooms or our houses. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: EarthGnome@aol.com Subject: call me silly ok.. there was this collectibles show in my area this weekend and i looked thru lots of posters (NONE were sg, but i got a cool white zombie one) and there were a few prints of photographs. I was flipping thru them and i saw a pic of sg, back in the day when chris had long hair.... ok, am i just out of it but there was no hiro and no ben, but some guy named jason everman (or something to that effect). i know someone out there knows about this guy, was he a temporary bass player or something? curious as hell, Meaghan hang my head drown my fear til you all just disappear show me the power child show me the way cause i'm down on my knees today yeah, it gives me the butterflies it gives me away...... ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: call me silly At 07:26 PM 2/23/97 -0500, EarthGnome@aol.com wrote: >pic of sg, back in the day when chris had long hair.... ok, am i just out of >it but there was no hiro and no ben, but some guy named jason everman (or >something to that effect). i know someone out there knows about this guy, >was he a temporary bass player or something? questions like these can always be answered on seth's excellent web site (http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/) and specifically in justin's equally-excellent faq (http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/faq/1.html#6 , for the specific question about jason everman). since people maintain that not everyone has web access, i will quote the relevant entry here: >1.6 Who is Jason Everman? > > Jason Everman was the bassist who joined the band after Hiro left in 1989. This > occurred soon after Louder Than Love was recorded, and just before the ensuing > world tour was about to commence. Several bass players auditioned for the position, > among them Jason Everman and Ben Shepherd. At the time, Ben didn't know the > songs, and Jason did. So with the tour looming, Jason got the job. In the end, however, > he wasn't what the band was looking for and was fired after only six months; appearing > on only one song with the band (a cover of the Beatles' tune "Come Together"). > > Everman, also a one-time guitarist with Nirvana, has since been enlisted as a U.S > Airborne Ranger, recorded with Mindfunk and has now (from some reports) joined the > U.S Navy. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Stop the insanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ben isnt leaving enough already!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who could they possably find to replace him. He is 1/4 of the songwriting that comes out of soundgarden, he pretty much helped define there sound. ------------------------------ From: Rita Bonofiglio Subject: ANGEL BEN!! well well, it seems when there is a little conflict, all the ben haters come out of their closest....WHOA! i did not realize how much of you were out there!!:( 2 cents.... imagine, ben haters if you get your wish and god, jesus and mother mary (non-catholics, insert proper diety here...some might say chris ;0 )forbid that little, misunderstood ben leaves the band...then what? some two bit nobody on stage with our boys...noooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i can't imagine ANYONE in his place, soundgarden simply would not be soundgarden, they would not be "the boys" without ben shepherd. he may not have been a founding member, but um..neither was matt cameron...does the name scott sundquist ring any bells? so that point goes out the window... and so ben is "mean" he spits, shouts, swears, hits and kicks...well at least he is not being some fake who acts all nice and civil in public, then when you meet him off stage he is some asshole...NOOOOO! the ben you see is the ben you get, love or leave him...i prefer to love him and i could not choose between him or kim or him and matt or even him and chris...ok, now i am delirious and confused...pardon me! so i part with two words that should scare the ben haters into silence....jason everman----->we do not need a repeat of *that* episode do we??? thanks for lisenting, reading, whatever, - -----rita b. ------------------------------ From: RachelMak@aol.com Subject: dusty remix ok...i've searched everywhere and can not find the moby remix of dusty !!! Can anyone get me a copy ? Please !!! thanx rachel :) ------------------------------ From: java4u@sos.net Subject: can anybody answer??? Well Everyone I've got a question for you guys: What exactly does Anarchy mean? People say that it's the opposite of peace, but if you look anarchy up in the dictionary it simply says: Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose, does that sound like the opposite of peace to anyone? Soundgarden Content: Wondering if the members of soundgarden go by this Anarchy method. For some reason people think that if your into grunge/alternative music you have to go by Anarchy, and even if I did, people would say then why are you for world peace. Confused, Rachel ------------------------------ From: java4u@sos.net Subject: 2 Rachels!!! Wow!!! Two Rachels! Just wanted to make sure the people on the list were aware that their are two Rachels on the list! Please don't get us mixed up with eachother! Soundgarden Forever!!! Later, Rachel ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Re: ANGEL BEN!! Rita Bonofiglio writes: << Well at least he is not being some fake who acts all nice and civil in public, then when you meet him off stage he is some asshole... >> The thing is that Ben *IS* nice in person. At least as long as you don't piss him off or shout obscentities at him. =) The List Thug, SOMMS Sheriff, KTMS founder, and recent protector of Ben, Aaron ------------------------------ From: Kok Andras Subject: Don't read this... Hai! I'm new on the list so please, help me. I'm searching for the SG show in Prague on tape (or CD?) . If you could help me please e/mail. Thanks a lot... Andrew. ------------------------------ From: fpthi1@student.monash.edu.au Subject: Re: well being a new member of SOMMS I have all these scattered things to say. OK, Caryn, Sabrina and "benlover" - round of applause by myself to you all :) People in bands are human too therefore they are bound to fight, we should all just be grateful that they have lasted so long...don't take anything for granted. Lance: No, that other person was right, Kurt was born on the 20th Feb. Being from Australia and only seeing SG four times EVER I have not personally witnessed Ben "being a psycho". But I was front row at both Melbourne gigs (ie., Festival Hall and the BDO) and Ben looked (for lack of better words) intense, like he was playing his heart out - -which he was. He often looked out to the crowd with what *appeared* like a dislike but who gives a shit, as long as he continues his brilliant playing. Also at the Festival gig, not only was it about 60oC (about 140oF) in there but they ran out of water for us in the general admission!! We all looked near death. As far as i could see i was the only girl who remained up the front and about five songs into the set a big spalsh of water landed on me. it was Ben, he had grabbed *HIS* bottle of water and probably saved me from collapsing, so there you go - a nice thing done by Ben. I apologise if he was pointing to the person behind me and the water was meant for you :) I know at least ben and matt can handle each others company, they were both at the instore show that You am I did the day before the BDO I know they both love YAI, (Matt was doing air drums while they were on at Festival hall and Ben played in then horn section) but they also came to the instore show after party. Dave- in regards to rock's demise, I believe that alot of people jumped on the "grunge/alternative/whatever" bandwagon, just b/c it was new, therefore high record sales. these people are *probably* now jumping on the next bandwagon that's coming, therefore PJ/SG etc are having lower record sales. But who gives a shit, less people in the crowd at gigs :) Chris's tattoo - i tried real hard to work out what it was, it's on this right arm and was like a horizontal line with something below it. I even pointed to it at one stage, but Chris just smiled at me - I was pretty happy w/that! Fiona PS Got a spare bmf/SOMMS anyone?!! -no I'm not joking Looking for live recordings of SG/PJ/Nirvana/Foo F/Tool/Powderfinger (Aust band). Have little to trade, but please help me out. ------------------------------ From: fpthi1@student.monash.edu.au Subject: Re: ohh No!! Sorry, *I'm* looking for bmf/SOMMS, i don't have one :( Fiona ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 48] ***************************************