From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 23 Feb 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 03:35:46 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Sunday, 23 Feb 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: SG's troubles. sg breakup bullshit Re: The Naked Truth perfect steal More Virtual SG postcards Stuff Re: More Virtual SG postcards Re: perfect steal Still picking on Ben, are we???? Re: charles peterson - chitown sommsters only disregard if you aren't Jamsetta Simpson haven't been around in awhile... What a challenge.... new single? i dont think so. Soundgarden breaking up? unplugged Shes a politician lyrics Fwd: snl; unplugged; my SG song Ben vs Kim Debate and Soundgarden breaking up. Re: Faster Than A Fucking Flash OF Light.... Rock's demise what you see before you, i made it... Re: BIRTHDAY!!! Re: unplugged Re: Ben vs Kim Debate and Soundgarden breaking up. Mr. Shepherd #somms hot tub and spa ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Rebekah Henderson Subject: SG's troubles. I don't really know how to say this, but I think that SG should just get rid of Ben. I've thought this way for a while and their quarrels in Hawaii only further cause me to believe this. The man is just consumed by hostility. I can't imagine why, but he is obviously causing some commotion. I've never heard anything good said about Ben at concerts. He's always spitting or hitting/kicking at the crowd. He doesn't really seem to care about the fans. His personality seems to conflict with everyone else and eventually someone is going to snap. I don't want to see SG break up. I know none of us do, but if the problem can be traced to a band member, then the problem can be solved. Fire him. Maybe being in a band isn't the thing for Ben. Maybe he would be happier and calmer doing something else or being in another band. It's quite evident to all of us I think, that SG could find another bass player. After all, Ben isn't a founding member. I guess what I'm saying is, they should fire Ben if he doesn't change his attitude. I don't mean to offend anyone. That is not my intention, but this is my opinion. May Soundgarden be with you. Rebekah ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: sg breakup bullshit okay... there are a bunch of really intelligent people on here. don't you know when 'alternative radio' is just playing you? they have nothing else to talk about, so they take a stupid outburst by ben at the LAST SHOW of a grueling tour and turn it into "SOUNDGARDEN IS BREAKING UP!!!" toni's description of being at work at 4:30 am was right on the money to me. jeez, they were TIRED, they wanted to go home, those shows got added at the last minute... of course they were cranky. even chris looked tired. i couldn't blame them. hell, when i travel on the road for a week i'm ready to sleep for four days when i get back. you can't just get rid of one member and expect it not to break up the band. that's as ludicrous as the theory voiced a few years ago that pearl jam should just get rid of eddie vedder and get another vocalist. soundgarden just need some time apart, and a vacation, and some sleep, and some fun. when you live together 24-7 for months on end with someone they are going to get on your nerves eventually. soundgarden are not breaking up because of one little tiff in hawaii. ben has a temper, so fucking what (yes, this is ME saying this). that's no reason to toss him from the band like he's a hired session musician, and i doubt sg would be as cavalier as some of you have been about it. i don't know. it just seems perfectly natural to me and hardly a cause for panic. then again, sg breaking up would be fucking awful, but the world would not end. it would not. the list wouldn't die, the page would go on, they would go on to other projects, we'd have wonderful memories of great music. far better the four of them be happy at what they're doing.. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: DodeRoad@aol.com Subject: Re: The Naked Truth In a message dated 97-02-21 00:13:48 EST, you write: <> Ben. Temper tantrum MASTER... Who else? :) Or...Matt. Those arm muscles..yum.. Kim..he's pretty mean looking.. :) Chris. Hey, who wants to beat up Chris?!!??? I'll kick their ass... ------------------------------ From: me Subject: perfect steal My perfect steal: I purchased the Badmototrfinger/Somms cd of my Metal head turned punkrocker friend who didnt like soundgarden any more, for just 10 bucks, now thats the perfect steal!! ------------------------------ From: PenCapChu1@aol.com Subject: More Virtual SG postcards In a message dated 2/20/97 11:27:56 PM, PenCapChu1 wrote: http://www.seattlesquare.com/postcard/ this isn't exactly the DOTU cover, but its virtual email postcards of many pictures of Seattle, including the Soundgarden sculpture.. uh im pretty sure about thats it, hope i'm not wrong, i should know this, but owell http://www.seattlesquare.com/postcard/ - -pcc - --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: More Virtual SG postcards Date: 97-02-21 00:27:56 EST From: PenCapChu1 To: Somms@mit.edu http://www.seattlesquare.com/postcard/ this isn't exactly the DOTU cover, but its virtual email postcards of many pictures of Seattle, including the Soundgarden sculpture.. uh im pretty sure about thats it, hope i'm not wrong, i should know this, but owell http://www.seattlesquare.com/postcard/ - -pcc ------------------------------ From: sknauf@HK.Super.NET Subject: Stuff At 04:00 AM 2/21/97 -0500, you wrote: >Wha's up? I am almost positive that this burning question has already been >answered, but what the hell....i'll ask it anyway. > >Question: Are there any bootlegs out there that exist of Soundgarden playing >at least a partial acoustic set? There's a SG boot somewhere called 'Acoustic Pollution' which I'll just assume contains... acoustic stuff. I have no idea what's on it though, since it isn't listed in Steve's bootleg discog. Luck's Last Match wrote: >Well, if i'm not mistaken, i don't think SG get any money themselves from >the sale of Fresh Deadly Rarities, so i'd like to know how Michael Jackson >could get royalties... yeah, but SG gets money for the official stuff 'Come Together' is released on, like the 'Hands all Over' singles, so basically Mr. Jackson would get some money for any of these singles sold. and about SG 'breaking up', I have to agree with Caryn. I seriously couldn't believe what some people on this list had to say about it. I know that there are enough people here, smart enough not to believe everything the media feeds them. Ben throws tantrums on stage, he spits at the crowd and he yells at his roadie, so it wouldn't surprise me in the least, if he got into huge arguments with fellow band members from time to time; and anyone, who thinks this is the first time Ben and any SG member have argued, is very naive. This is just the first time it was witnessed by several people, it somehow leaked out.. and the next thing you know, the media takes this tiny bit of info, and blows it out of proportion. 'Ooooohhhhh, Ben and Kim were verbally bashing each other, and SG isn't touring after this, so they must be breaking up'. C'mon people, you know SG better than that, and you also know that firing any one band member isn't a solution. The only solution is a little break far away from each other. sabrina ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: More Virtual SG postcards At 09:40 PM 2/21/97 -0500, PenCapChu1@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 2/20/97 11:27:56 PM, PenCapChu1 wrote: >http://www.seattlesquare.com/postcard/ > >this isn't exactly the DOTU cover, but its virtual email postcards of many >pictures of Seattle, including the Soundgarden sculpture.. uh im pretty sure >about thats it, hope i'm not wrong, i should know this, but owell >http://www.seattlesquare.com/postcard/ erm, no. ;-) what's there is the space needle, and the fremont troll, and some hideous looking piece of metal that i have no idea where it is... there are pictures of the sound garden sculpture on seth's page... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: perfect steal At 06:06 PM 2/21/97 -0800, me wrote: >My perfect steal: I purchased the Badmototrfinger/Somms cd of my Metal >head turned punkrocker friend who didnt like soundgarden any more, for >just 10 bucks, now thats the perfect steal!! nonono... the perfect steal was shroom finding bmf/somms at a garage sale for $4. *cry* - --caryn ------------------------------ From: SJordet@aol.com Subject: Still picking on Ben, are we???? Caryn was right. All of this talk about Soundgarden breaking up...why would they? What reasons do they have? They've been around for about 12 years now, and have done a VERY good job of making sure to keep out of each other's hair when there's tension, or else they wouldn't be here now! Ben's been with them since the summer of '90, and must have good qualities in him if they've stayed friends for so long. That's what people overlook in Ben, I think. They go straight for the way he acts on stage (and sometimes off) but they fail to think of the fact that he's been friends with these people since he was in his teens! If he was really the asshole everyone deems him to be, I'm sure the rest of the boys would want nothing to do with him. Firmly sticking by my man, Benlover - ..."Even though we won two Grammys, I still feel like a dark horse, the evil uncle in the closet. The bottom line is: we're four guys who are confident in what we do." - Ben Shepherd ------------------------------ From: David Miller Subject: Re: charles peterson - chitown sommsters only >>> "Nirvana+PearlJam >>> through the lens" >> >>> photographs by >>> Charles Peterson >> >>> Febuary 21-March 30 1997 >>> artist's reception >>> Friday Feb.21, 7-11pm >> >>> AT >> >>> Reverb Gallery >>> 2137 W. Belmont >>> Chicago, IL. 60618 >>> (773)525-0456 >>> Open Sat-Sun. 11-6 >>> 0r by appointment Ok kiddies, I went to this thing and it was so cool! If you've ever seen Hype!, Charles Peterson is the guy with all the photos around him, and when they talk to him, he shows a Kurt Cobain photo. Tonight, Charles was there at the gallery, and I talked to him for a few minutes. He's really a cool guy, kind of shy. He was very nice about autographs and I got him to autograph my 'Screaming Life' book (not the SG ep, the Screaming Life book about Seattle with his pics in it). He was also selling the book there, so if you're looking for it in the Chicago area, you know where to get it. There was no Sg photos there, just PJ/Nirvana stuff. But I did tell him about our little list, and he gave me his address and phone #. So if any of you want to buy any SG photos, email me and I'll give you the address. I won't post it here because I don't think he wants to get millions of calls. His stuff is VERY pricey though (maybe I just don't know that much about art prices), but the photos are amazing! He went on tour with PJ in Europe this year and has tons of stuff on that, and also Nirvana pictures. They were also giving away free postcards w/ Peterson's photos on them, so I picked up a few. I got 2 Nirvana ones that I'll give away to anyone who wants them. If I get a lot of names, I'll draw from a hat. All in all, it was a very cool night! Dave Miller ********************************************* *I like to trade bootlegs. * *Check out my Pearl Jam homepage at: * *http://pwp.starnetinc.com/gwm/pearl.htm * *You can find my bootlist there * *PEARL JAM AND SOUNDGARDEN RULE! * ********************************************* ------------------------------ From: David Miller Subject: disregard if you aren't Jamsetta Simpson Jamee, sorry I lost your email address, but thanks so much for the pictures, I love them! Dave Miller ********************************************* *I like to trade bootlegs. * *Check out my Pearl Jam homepage at: * *http://pwp.starnetinc.com/gwm/pearl.htm * *You can find my bootlist there * *PEARL JAM AND SOUNDGARDEN RULE! * ********************************************* ------------------------------ From: LoudLoveCC@aol.com Subject: haven't been around in awhile... hey there guys... lissa's not doing so well. I haven't posted in a while.... my friends died in a horrible car crash this past Tuesday night. I haven't done much since. I had been around nobody until tonight, so I was not really upset except for the initial shock. Well, then I went to calling hours... I came out of that funeral home running, I could barely breathe! I kept thinking-- that wasn't her, it didn't even look like her. My God, this isn't happening. People, all I have to say is Say Hello 2 Heaven kept me going... damn at least someone feels my pain. At times I'm really mad at them, they were driving 80 mph w/ no seat belts and *supposedly* toking a little reefer (so to speak). Guys, this is not a good driving combination. Please, all of you, wear your God damn seatbelts when you drive!!!!! I don't ever want to go through this pain again, EVER! I've been walking around in daze and I haven't eaten anything in a couple of days. And in my house, that's hard to do (my parents are from Italy, my mom cooks 5 course meals every freakin' day!)!!! Well, I just wanted to tell everyone that I'm still alive (ha, like ya noticed I was gone) and to be careful when you drive, PLEASE!!! On a better note, I want to tell Brydon, do not feel guilty, send them whenever, honey!! And everyone who's got me searching (w/ my good eye open, I promise) for stuff at the collector's fair, don't fret, I'm still going. I heard a commercial for it on the radio, boasting things like VINYL, BOOTLEGS, RARITIES (fresh deadly maybe?), AND ANYTHING A MUSIC FAN COULD EVER WANT TO FIND!!!! So, I'm figuring (actually hoping to God) that we're in the clear here guys!! Oh, and by the way, if any of you (some of you have already told me) have a price limit, tell me immediately!! I mean ASAP!! B/c the fair is tomm. (Sunday). I'd email you all individually, but it's easier this way... one more thing... sweet God in heaven, but www.gemm.com works fucking fast!!! I ordered the calendar last week (yeah, I know a teensy bit late) and I got it yesterday!! Holy crap! And by the way, who made Chris so adorable? Bless Mr. and Mrs. Cornell, they deserve sainthood!! What a beautiful, creative, talented man! Yikes, I'm really sick in the head.... sorry guys... (sheepish smile). "Remember kids, buckle up for your safety!" Dammit, I mean it guys!!! Do it!!! "Hard headed, fuck you all!" Don't be like that, wear the damn things!!!!! Or you'll me messy mass of mush headed!!!!! love, lissa =) (nice clean thoughts, eh?) ------------------------------ From: sknauf@HK.Super.NET Subject: What a challenge.... I finally got the Kerrang issue with the Kim Thayil quiz in it, which I must say is truly amusing :)) Any European sommsters out there, who haven't read it yet; go get it now, and you'll also get two poster of Chris (and Margret, I think you were right about the briefs; it's more apparant in the magazine). And apparantly, Chris already had his tattoo in Australia, which he proudly showed Morat. I guess most Australian sommsters didn't get close enough to see it. - ---------------------------------------------- Q: Hymen was the Greek God of what? Kim: Virginity? Virtue? Matt: The Greek God of a think layer of skin. Kim: Man, I know my mythology. - -------------------------------------------------------- hehehe.... how can you not love these guys? And how could anyone want Kim out of the band (actually that was only one person). Yes Toni, I'm agreeing with YOU ;-).... publicly!! so get rid of that Superwoman cape... ;-) oh, and the real answer to the above question was 'Marriage'. UKDeb has typed everythingt up, so it should be appearing on the unoff. site sometime soon.... sabrina ------------------------------ From: "Matt Cameron" Subject: new single? i dont think so. HI all listen someone sad a few days ago about hearing rhinozaur on the radio lots of times and he thought maybe it could be thire next single i dont think Soundgarden will make a new single in DOTUS co`z in my opinion they already realist thire best single from the CD i mean Blow up the... and most of the band after they get the best song from a CD in to a video clip they make a last tour and make a new album so i think you shouldent expect a new single from DOTUS byebye - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- This Mail Was Send By Matt Cameron Email:stimpy1@netvision.net.il - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- ------------------------------ From: Laurie Casey Subject: Soundgarden breaking up? Well.. I had to get the story on this, so I email our morning DJ at KNDD here in Seattle. He usually has more of a clue than I do. He says that all that happened was one of them got a little drunk and it was just a little misunderstanding mixed with post-tour stress.. =] Im so glad it wasnt anything more! Laurie ------------------------------ From: me Subject: unplugged SoundGarden unplugged setlist 1. seasons (c.c. solo) 2. like suicide (c.c. solo) 3. fell on... 3. zero chance 4. dusty 5. switch opens 6. head down 7. burden... This works out fine considering they only show about four songs due to freakin commercials. In all honesty I wouldnt really like to see them do an unplugged any way. ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Shes a politician lyrics I think I figured it out. "when it comes to blows" "shell get you on the ropes" as in like boxing. ------------------------------ From: "merlin.dwc@internetmci.com" Subject: Fwd: snl; unplugged; my SG song Hey... As far as the whole SNL TV aptitude issue goes, I really had no problem w/ their performance. Sure, it wasn't their best, but all in all I thought it was pretty damn good, considering Chris was having problems w/ his voice. "Pretty Noose" is one of the toughest to sing, I would imagine, and I think he pulled it off pretty well. And BIMH was great. I'm just happy I got to hear them play 2 of my favorite songs on national tv. They have plenty of "TV aptitude." They're not a flashy band, their music speaks for itself. I think that's a really refreshing thing to see on tv. But if they choose not to do many tv appearances, I respect that, and like I said before, I'd prefer seeing them live to seeing them on tv any day. I do kinda have to agree w/ whoever said they can't picture SG sitting still for long enough to do an unplugged. It sure would be fun to see 'em try though... I can just picture Ben getting mad and smashing all the furniture, spitting at the camera people & knocking over all the candles. But I loved both Nirvana and AIC unplugged, it's true that some songs are *better* that way, and I really do wish SG would do it, someday. Whoever asked what sort of a song we'd write if we could write one for SG... it's interesting you should bring that up. I recently wrote a poem about a boy who's parents get divorced after his father writes a book and his mother decides she wants to become an actress, and it's written through the eyes of the boy, who's about 10 or 11. It was inspired by something that happened to one of my friends, but before I wrote it I'd been listening to "Ty Cobb" a lot. And after I read it a couple times, I thought, "Hey... this would make a good punk song..." because it's actually about something serious that happened but it's written in a very sarcastic way. And I think that I was inadvertently influenced by SG to write it. So... that's my song. That's all for now... ~Lorraine "I don't want to go on pretending because it feels like I'm talking to Charlie Brown's parents..." ~Dishwalla "Those people are saying, 'Destroy the government.' I'm saying, 'Question the government.'" ~Chris Carter ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Ben vs Kim Debate and Soundgarden breaking up. People, I can assure you that Soundgarden is *NOT* breaking up, I repeat, not breaking up. They are all on good terms with each other. And what was said earlier about their breakup was just media hype. This information comes from the top. And regarding the Ben-Kim deal, they were not the ones fighting. I remind you that Ben is a big part of Soundgarden, and is not leaving the band, as well as Kim. Also along the lines of Ben being "psycho", since when did a short temper make you psycho? Pardon me while I get defensive, but some can say that I have a short temper as well, does that make me a psycho? I hardly think so. They call me the Thug and Sheriff, Aaron ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Faster Than A Fucking Flash OF Light.... From: Kathie Opon Kelly wrote: >I ordered >Real Wild Children and I have to say that I like it, (I liked the way Chris >sings Big Dumb Sex...sounded like sort of a nice version, "I'm gonna do that >dirty little thing to you...") but one thing that bothered me was the way >Soundgarden really didn't talk to the crowd the way they do in the more >recent bootlegs. Do you think they were nervous or just didn't want to? I saw Soundgarden about 5 times between 1991 and 1992 and during that time they really didn't talk much to the audience at all. I don't think it had anything to do with being nervous, I just think it wasn't Chris' style at the time. They interacted nonverbally with the audience, but the usual concert "banter" was all but absent. We were lucky if he said anything the whole concert. When I saw them this past fall in Chicago I was pretty amazed at how much they had grown as performers - alot more "showmanship" and verbal stuff. I do think it has to do with having more confidence in themselves. I think it took them a really long time to believe that people actually like them and their music as much as we do. Or maybe they just have more to say now. I think they saw themselves as outsiders and maybe felt stupid talking to this big bunch of strangers. Maybe its sinking in now how important they are to us, so they feel more connected to us. I haven't decided which I like better, though - quiet or talkative. Its neat hearing what they have to say, but it was pretty unique to see a band that didn't feel the need to carry on a conversation with the audience. Kind of like small talk - it can be nice, but its also kind of cool when you don't feel you have to do it. Kathie ------------------------------ From: me Subject: Rock's demise You have to wonder if soundgarden still have a place in the vast music landscape. If you notice'd there is a current trend of nice music going around, such as no doubt, beck, and U2. I have a feeling techno is going to finally be accepted here in the us as the main stream. After all Soundgarden's last album did debut at #2 then fell off the charts, pearl jam #1, then fell off the charts. Rock is fading out kinda. I dunno I will always by sg albums no matter what. Does anyone have a prediction of where soundgarden is heading musically?? Dave ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: what you see before you, i made it... my god, i have a shopping problem, a real real real problem... anyway, i found and bought a Wellwater Conspiracy 7" of Single Number Two, with Trowerchord, etc...it is this really cool black/purplish transparent vinyl...it is brand new and my sources tell me there are only 1000 in print...anyone really want it? email me...if i get flooded, the drawing will commence... AND i will prolly get killed for complimenting her in public BUTT i will do it anyway...i just got home to a picture of an *AWESOME* painting of Chris Cornell, done by our very own mind riot, Niki Freer....hot damn, the girl can paint!!! it is a young Chris, with long hair, shirt open...i swear for the first few minutes, i thought she had sent me a postcard of an actual picture of chris...wow Nik!! eliza *********************************** We are built upon false foundations We are built upon misplaced expectations and blown away... --Handsome ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: BIRTHDAY!!! In a message dated 97-02-21 02:34:26 EST, java4u@sos.net writes: << I just couldn't resist, today's is Kurt Donald Cobains Birthday! He would have been 30! >> Not that it matters, but I think this is wrong. Kurt was born the day before me February 24, 1967. We are exactly 24 hours apart in age. Lance ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: unplugged In a message dated 97-02-22 14:28:01 EST, instant@deltanet.com (me) writes: << In all honesty I wouldnt really like to see them do an unplugged any way. >> I'd like to go on record and say that personally I'd kill for them to do an unplugged show. I think Chris knows damn well their stuff would sound awesome unplugged. With their musical dexterity they could make anything sound good. Hell look at black cat, nothing but bells with some blues chords thrown in. Throw in "Flutter Girl", "Angel on Fire", "Heartfist", and a few cuts from TOTD, plus Blind Dogs, and you'd have an album that would blow the face off of music. Aaaaahhhhhhhhhh if only................ Lance ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: Ben vs Kim Debate and Soundgarden breaking up. In a message dated 97-02-22 17:29:36 EST, ThNrthFace@aol.com writes: << Pardon me while I get defensive, but some can say that I have a short temper as well, does that make me a psycho? >> It's not your Temper that makes you a psycho Thug. It's a long fucking list of other things that makes you a psycho!!!!! (c: Lance ------------------------------ From: SJordet@aol.com Subject: Mr. Shepherd Am I the only one out there who can *truly* see that Ben is just as important and just as special as the other three members in Soundgarden? Or does everyone else think that just because Ben isn't Matt or a founding member that the rest of the guys should say "Fuck you, Ben. You spit on one more person and you leave. You pick one more fight with any of us and you leave." Keep in mind that Ben isn't the only one who's ever started a fight or insulted the audience. I don't think it's fair that Ben be shrugged off as someone to fill in for a future bassist. EVERY member of the band is just as important as the other. Thank you to everyone who has helped me stick up for Ben, Benlover ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: #somms hot tub and spa The Tub is open and the water is hot! Come on in! ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 47] ***************************************