From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 16 Feb 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 14:24:16 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Sunday, 16 Feb 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: in disguise as no one knows... Flower pic and CC solo BHS Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 10 Feb 1997 sleight of hand and twist of fate... Tone Dogs... Re: cancelled tour blues :( Re: Vegus Nerve Re: sleight of hand and twist of fate... Re: sleight of hand and twist of fate... anyone awake? somms disc? Re: somms disc? the collector's fair... tattoos my stupid analogies & other nonsense ------------------------------------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: Re: in disguise as no one knows... At 06:20 PM 2/14/97 -0500, my somms sis wrote: > for those of you who can still listen to BHS, which version >do you like better; the original long CD version, or the new solo >version cc did during the past tour? definitely the solo version! > i dunno, the way the words were slowed down and the notes >he hit were lower nearly the whole time, yes, particularly the words "Hang my head....drown my fear"...the way he dropped those notes was an amazing touch... > i hope someone else cares to comment on this, or i'll be just >talking to myself... just you and me kiddo ;-) eliza ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I really only had a few things They've all turned to tears One tried to kill me The other kept me here I'm still here... - --God Lives Underwater ------------------------------ From: SJordet@aol.com Subject: Flower pic and CC solo BHS Thanks to everyone who set my mind at ease with the SG/BMG thing. The gerbil is resting. =) Now, pardon my ignorance, but where can I find Chris' solo version of BHS? AND - I absolutely *adore* the cover of the Flower single - y'know, the one where the guys are all standing on a roof someplace. It's my favorite picture of these guys before Ben joined the group, and I sit and stare at it for up to an hour sometimes. Does anyone know where I might be able to get a poster of this, or a copy of it or something, anything??? It's the only picture of Chris with long hair that *really* does something for me, and Matt looks like an angel when he smiles, and the fact that he's about 24 or 25 in this picture makes it all the more moving. =) I *need* a larger picture of this if I wish to maintain my dignity (people don't find it as weird if you stare at a poster as they do if you satre at the cover of a CD, I have found out) and any help with this would be *greatly* appreciated. Thanks much, Benlover ------------------------------ From: LowdLuv@aol.com Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 10 Feb 1997 We're new to the Digest. We have been looking for BMF/SOMMS forever - we have been able to find many early cd's but can't seem to locate SOMMS. We have The Garden Grows, good songs, but the audio quality is not very good. As far as singing in the shower, I'd say Slaves and Bulldozers is a good one to scream, but hurts like hell if you don't have the voice. ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: sleight of hand and twist of fate... curious: Has the SG rendition of Helter Skelter on the past tour led anyone to dig out their collection and listen to U2's version again? i just sat thru watching Rattle and Hum for the first time in years and just thought about that, and a million other U2 vs. SG things...like how they both have songs called "4th of July", how Bono wrote "The Roman candle and lightning, lights up the sky" 10 years before Superunknown... i dunno, maybe it is cuz of the new U2 release that I am thinking about this, and maybe it is cuz Bono was my very first rock love (and always will be), years before I even knew who Chris Cornell was...when "War" came out, I was 15 years old and there was nothing better in the world (am i showing my age or what?!?!)...and I still cry all the way thru "Unforgettable Fire" (the song) i think the strongest connection between the two for me is the lyrical imagery both bands create...when i think about the choices we have today of what to listen to, there is still no comparison to the imagery that U2 created and then that SG created and continues to create...What else do we have today? Sure, Tool sounds good but for me there is no meaning, no imagery that means very much to me - sure it is angry and intense, but does it actually mean anything in the big picture?....Politically, religiously, socially, there was no other band like U2 ever in my generation...No American band has or ever would, come close to writing such powerful music about Martin Luther King, for example..calling on Yeats, Steinbeck, Mailer, the bible, for example, they lyrically blew away any other band in the '80s....and then came Cornell's lyrics which continue to amaze me... but despite all the politics, Bono still wrote beautiful love songs, "you say you'll give me a highway with noone on it, a treasure just to look upon it ...you say you'll give me eyes on a moon of blindness, a river in the time of dryness, a barbour in the tempest..." something i wish i saw more of from Cornell (i know, this can be highly debated...) live performance: i have seen a gazillion shows in my life and i can honestly say that none has *ever ever* been better than U2...i literally slept on the sidewalks of 5 cities to see them, and there will never be an experience like watching Bono live on stage...well, then again there is Cornell...i must say that there is strong comparison to me in terms of live shows - the drama and intensity that U2 had on stage back then reminds me alot of the earlier SG tour dates, with a commanding, emotional, intense male vocalist hit you right in the gut.. AND, we have talked so much on this list about what has happened to SG over time, etc...Well, when "Gloria" came out in 1981, who ever would have guessed that SIXTEEN years later, the same band would have a CD out called "Pop" and a single called Discotheque....it is a progression and evolution that does not sit well with many people, and personally makes me want to freeze time at 1987 so i could sit and listen to The Joshua Tree and Screaming Life forever...not that I don't like DOTU or Zooropa.... bands change and progress - it is a fact...but that doesnt mean it is easy...I am debating whether or not to see U2 live on this tour - if i could be guaranteed music only up to Achtung Baby, i'd be there in a second...if I could see an SG show of music up to SU, i would never think twice about going.... OK, enough of my ramblings...i have no idea if this made sense or has any real point to it, but hey i am talking to myself so it doesnt matter anyway (right justin?) ;-) - -eliza "The God I believe in ain't short on cash, mister" ------------------------------ From: Luck's Last Match Subject: Tone Dogs... Where can i find any Tone Dogs release? Necesito ayuda, por favor! I've been looking today and no suerte whatsoever. I even got my friend @ monster records to check the computer. i went to the biggest blockbuster in chapel hill....no suerte. Can someone help? Can tone dogs be found anywhere in NC (From Chapel Hill/Durham east, that is) or southeastern VA? muchas gracias. -j "They say that whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. well that's a crock. Whatever doesn't kill you is your life." -Bobby Spencer Jones Cassadine, General Hospital. ------------------------------ From: Greg Dunbar Subject: Re: cancelled tour blues :( >Seeing Soundgarden live is an experience like none other. The only problem is that "nothing lasts forever". At least new material through an album can be immortalised. I'm glad their taking time off, but of course it must be disappointing for you guys in the states. >The feeling you get from it is incomparable. Oh yeah! I've never done drugs but I think that the feeling you get from seeing Soundgarden (and still about a week later) is just like a massive high. >Some of the best days of my life were the days I went to their shows. January 25/26 1997. Definitely my best ever weekend to date. >I just saw them back in november, but it's never enough, you >know? Oh well...be patient mate! It's funny to think that the next time we'll be seeing Soundgarden they'll be playing songs that aren't even made up yet! Weird! And I'm willing to bet that they'll be good too, so the wait will be worth it. The time should fly hopefully. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "My mind is open to new ideas. The divine mind is inexhaustible. The spirit is ever active in me. There is no weary or monotonous action in spirit. It is forever new and vibrant with new ideas. I know that I am continually receiving new impressions from life. New, better and fuller ways of living. I let the newness, freshness and originality of spirit permeate my entire consciousness" - Ernest Holmes - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit "The Seas Of Cheezcake" http://www.cbl.com.au/~greg/index.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ From: gene Subject: Re: Vegus Nerve List Thuggie's right! I've been writing to Terri, who lives in Vegas, and we've been really looking forward to having a Sommsvention in her town. Not many people seem interested (too much on their minds I guess) but I agree if it's gonna happen, it needs to get planned NOW. I'm gonna be camping from June 7 through the 17th, but would really dig doing a SOMMS thang any time after that. ThNrthFace@aol.com wrote: > > Howdy folks, > > For those still interested in going to SOMMSvention in Las Vegas, let's get > it together. I was thinking sometime in June, after people are finished with > school or can swing some time off. Email me and we will hammer out the > details. C'mon, just because SG isn't hitting the road, that doesn't mean you > can't! > - -- ^ ----- \___/ ----- ; > gene ------------------------------ From: Candy Subject: Re: sleight of hand and twist of fate... > i must say that there is strong comparison to me in terms of live > shows - the drama and intensity that U2 had on stage back then reminds me > alot of the earlier SG tour dates, with a commanding, emotional, intense > male vocalist hit you right in the gut.. Eliza, this caught my attention because I made pretty much this same observation earlier today. This morning my husband turned on the TV and Rattle and Hum was on. I was busy and not really watching but at some point I walked by the TV and stopped in my tracks. I can't even remember what song Bono was singing but I stood there transfixed. It struck me that he had much the same effect on me as CC--that same emotional impact. There are only a few singers who can convey that type of intensity that can only be completely genuine. Either you've got it (whatever "it" is) or you don't. > i have no idea if this made sense or has any > real point to it, but hey i am talking to myself so it doesnt matter anyway I don't know if I have any real point either, but it made sense to me. I've never seen U2 live but I wish I had. I wish I'd seen Soundgarden in their early days too, but at least I did get to finally see them and it was well worth the wait. Oh, I'm way too tired to be doing this. Good night, Candy ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: sleight of hand and twist of fate... eliza2 wrote: >curious: Has the SG rendition of Helter Skelter on the past tour led anyone >to dig out their collection and listen to U2's version again? actually, no, but i did go dig out the beatles version. i forgot how really intense it was. (what's funny is that i'm a huge u2 fan and i HATE their version of helter skelter. ;-> ) >i think the strongest connection between the two for me is the lyrical >imagery both bands create...when i think about the choices we have today of >what to listen to, there is still no comparison to the imagery that U2 >created and then that SG created and continues to create...What else do we >have today? yes, but bono is a different kind of lyricist, and when you get to that level i don't think you can compare someone like him to chris cornell to even (dare i say it?) eddie vedder. or michael stipe, for that matter. (i'm in the middle of this 35-post-long thread about "shaking through" by r.e.m. over on THAT newsgroup). i would never compare them... they all speak to different parts of me. it's like trying to compare the stones vs. the who... can't be done. jagger/richards has as much place in my life as townshend does (well, maybe not. the who loom a little too large in my own personal legend for anyone to usurp them). >Sure, Tool sounds good but for me there is no meaning, no >imagery that means very much to me - sure it is angry and intense, but does >it actually mean anything in the big picture?....Politically, religiously, >socially, there was no other band like U2 ever in my generation...No >American band has or ever would, come close to writing such powerful music >about Martin Luther King, for example..calling on Yeats, Steinbeck, Mailer, >the bible, for example, they lyrically blew away any other band in the >'80s....and then came Cornell's lyrics which continue to amaze me... without getting into too much off topic conversation, i would say that U2 were unique in their place... and when someone is so powerfully your favorite the way it is clear they are to you, i wouldn't try to debate you. ;-) but i do think there is some room for argument there. ;-) >but despite all the politics, Bono still wrote beautiful love songs, "you >say you'll give me a highway with noone on it, a treasure just to look upon >it ...you say you'll give me eyes on a moon of blindness, a river in the >time of dryness, a barbour in the tempest..." something i wish i saw more of >from Cornell (i know, this can be highly debated...) ...hence my point that you can't really compare them. they aren'at the same people writing the same music so how can you possibly compare them? ;-) >AND, we have talked so much on this list about what has happened to SG over >time, etc...Well, when "Gloria" came out in 1981, who ever would have >guessed that SIXTEEN years later, the same band would have a CD out called >"Pop" and a single called Discotheque....it is a progression and evolution >that does not sit well with many people, and personally makes me want to >freeze time at 1987 so i could sit and listen to The Joshua Tree and >Screaming Life forever...not that I don't like DOTU or Zooropa.... bands >change and progress - it is a fact...but that doesnt mean it is easy...I am >debating whether or not to see U2 live on this tour - if i could be >guaranteed music only up to Achtung Baby, i'd be there in a second...if I >could see an SG show of music up to SU, i would never think twice about >going.... but that's the point, bands grow and progress and true artists continually explore! if they weren't true artists none of these bands would have earned our devotion, but the flip side is that there are no promises, no guarantees. thank god both of these bands have the courage to be so fucking DIVERSE, to take us places we may not have wanted to go. >OK, enough of my ramblings...i have no idea if this made sense or has any >real point to it, but hey i am talking to myself so it doesnt matter anyway >(right justin?) ;-) > "The God I believe in ain't short on cash, mister" ..."on a bed of nails he makes me wait.." - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: anyone awake? join the list thug and myself (and shroom by proxy on AOL) in the #somms hottub. tonight's discussion: matching tattoos -- pros and cons. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Brian34295@aol.com Subject: somms disc? Hey....i was reading caryn's message on the somm's digest and i noticed t= hat she mentioned bmf/somms on cd. what is that? did the somms people put together a cd or something? .....just wondering. sorry, i'm new to the list! Brian34295@aol.com :=DE dead to the world ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: somms disc? At 02:59 AM 2/16/97 -0500, Brian34295@aol.com wrote: >Hey....i was reading caryn's message on the somm's digest and i noticed that >she mentioned bmf/somms on cd. what is that? did the somms people put >together a cd or something? yes, we did! some of the highlights of this disc include: 1) shroom's rockline phone call! 2) seth perlman's memorable unfURLed speech! 3) all of shroom's .wav files on her late lamented ibm laptop (that's one disc there) 4) assorted sommsters screaming when chris cornell dedicated a song to them in chicago 5) kim thayil saying "the ktms, they're crazy!" backstage in chicago 6) shroom's ankle bracelet jingling all over seattle 7) seattle natives screaming "take that damn bracelet OFF already" in response ...and other greatest hits! available for a short time only... email nothingman@aol.com for more details! - --caryn ;-> ------------------------------ From: LoudLoveCC@aol.com Subject: the collector's fair... hey, everyone new screen name, like it a lot (thanks Shroomie) here's it so far.... Niki (mind riot), Carol(slave4cc), Lorraine (merlin), Lisa (beckwith), and Brian (34295) want stuff, I have all info needed, but.... eh, someone emailed me a long time ago and wants the Reading festival, but, EEK!! I can't remember who it was 'cause my mail got erased. Please whoever you are, email me, so I can tell you if I get it. Sorry 'bout the inconvenience. SG content.... not much, but I was watching the SNL performance last night, and y'know what?? Mattster's pretty studly there!! hmmm... nice arms... well, of course, I'm a chris obsessing freak/lunatic/psychopath but I was just commenting.... that's if for now... "Remember I love you, love you..." love, lissa =) ------------------------------ From: "merlin.dwc@internetmci.com" Subject: tattoos my stupid analogies & other nonsense Hey... So, where the hell is everybody? I miss having like 50 messages a day to read. ;-) I know lotsa people are doing their taxes... maybe that's it. Or maybe nobody's really had the heart to since we found out the tour's off. Anyway, about CC getting a tattoo... I really don't understand it, but then again I can't criticize, seeing as how I've got one (a small dragon on my ankle, which I'm actually real proud of). I see nothing wrong w/ tattoos, in moderation. But CC getting one... well that's like planting roses in a field of wild flowers or building a mansion on a mountain. Gosh that sounded silly. I don't know... maybe it's fake. Well, that's 'bout it. More tomorrow. PS - All my deepest sympathies go out to ya Shroomy... hope you get things fixed real soon PSS - Everybody go buy David Bowie's new album, Earthling PSSS - I hope I get 100 messages tomorrow :) ~Lorraine "So far away... " ~DB ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 41] ***************************************