From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 26 Jan 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 15:45:03 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Sunday, 26 Jan 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: I'M A RAMBLING GIRL Kickstand/Cash/Sexy songs Sexiest song? CC/TREE/ME? A Question? Sexy songs and scary rumours ;-) Melbourne Big Day Out, Jan 25 1997 CD Questions Re: *THE* Sexiest song EVER!!!!!! crybabies WTD: Info on Soundgarden Books clarification Ty Cobb/Bleeps/crybabies I apologize for any stupid comments... Sexy SG Room a Thousand Years Wide more joyful songs, etc. . . aussies please write! Re: List Negativity The way it is and the way it will be love that art more clarity Re: SAGA Re: Sexiest SG songs ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Roseemisst@aol.com Subject: I'M A RAMBLING GIRL In a message dated 97-01-25 02:34:39 EST, you write: > On the subject of putting sound clips of SOMMSters covers of > Soundgarden songs on the Web, I think I've mentioned this before, but > it's no problem. I'd be happy to put together a page for them. Disk > space is no longer a problem. > > Bald, > seth Right on! Lemme bust out with my R&B version of She Likes Surprises: "Lips and thighs abused by our eyes Acting surprised that she likes it, baby Chocolate cream, an amphetamine(like Dristan) Torn at the seams, she's crying----ooooh yeah" How many times must we praise Lance? Well hey, the man is a mixmaster MC. The songs were great, but I like the way he mixed the songs. You know, acoustic mixed in with the heavier stuff, not going in generic order... I'm also a new fan of the songs Cold Bitch, Fresh Deadly Roses(the song was actually called 'Fresh Deadly Rosee', but this title reminded Chris of how I used to stalk him years ago), Missing, and Flutter Girl. Thanx a bunch, Lance! Not that you really care, but I found myself another non-lister today who is totally into SG. To understand why I posted that bit of info, you actually have to live in my community, I guess. I'm in SoCali where there are way too many trendies into SP, PJ, Bush, and whoever else has a 'buzz clip' of the moment.(no caryn, I'm not dissing PJ) But it's pretty exciting to talk face to face with another girl about Chris' voice, Kim's psycho-looking facade, etc. It was just something that brightened my day... RoseeMisst#1, the fanatic ------------------------------ From: psyche Subject: Kickstand/Cash/Sexy songs Toni wrote: >pictures lots of quotes on each song. They list a live Kickstand video. >Anybody ever see that???? And yes Seth's page is in the Bibliography. toni The live Kickstand video can be found on the 'Alive in the SU' CD+ (yet another reason to get a new pc Toni ;-). And not only do they list Seth's page first, they misspelled the URL of the off. homepage (roctopolis), so anyone who uses that URL won't get very far :) Terri wrote: >Oh yeah US mag..yes another mag, has a quote from Mr. C which >was in >details two months ago, it's on the last page. It says something (sorry dont >have it in front of me) about depression can be fun.... He says: "People just don't realize how much fun it is to be depressed" There's also a Johnny Cash interview in the same issue. An exerpt: Q: So, how did you end up covering Soundgarden's "Rusty Cage"? Cash: At first I said, "That's not my kind of song." [Producer] Rick Rubin said, "Listen to the lyrics. If we can get an arrangement you're comfortable with, would you try it?" I said, "I'll try anything, but I don't think I'll ever do this song." I heard the arrangement and it felt so comfortable that it's one of my favorite songs. Kathie asked: >How about this one: anyone want to >contribute their thoughts on the "sexiest" SG song? ahhh... I've been waiting for this one :) I agree on the songs that have been mentioned so far, but I'd like to add more: Hey Baby (does this count? I know it's not written by SG), but this one's definitely sexy... and how often does Chris sing the word 'baby' ? Tighter and Tigher, Outshined, Overfloater and others (which have all been mentioned already). These and other songs are mainly sexy, not only b/c of Chris' voice, but b/c of the way he pronounces words. I think he has a very unique way of pronouncing things, and he can make the most mundane words sound sexy, eg. I just love the way he pronounces 'butterflies' (a la Outshined), he could sing an entire song with only the words 'butterflies' and I'd find it sexy :) sabrina ------------------------------ From: KENNY BECKWITH <"beckwith@gte.net"@gte.net> Subject: Sexiest song? CC/TREE/ME? A Question? Hello out there in Soundgarden Land. Hope that life is treating you well. Sexiest Soundgarden Song? Wow, that is a hard one. I would have to say that all of them are sexy. Either in the music, Chris,s voice(which is always sexy), or the lyrics and their sexual references. But if I have to pick one it would be All Your Lies because towards the end Chris is kinda saying the words and not actually singing them. OHH BABY. ;) Chris Cornell under a tree with me? Well he would be singing All Your Lies. and when he finished Matt, Kim and Ben would come walking up and instruments would magically appear. Chris would say, "Lets do it guys". They would do a concert right there, just for me -how considerate of them. They play every song they ever did. It would seem like the neverending concert, and they never got tired. Afterwards I go home, but they did promise to call me periodically to see if I wanted to go hang out since I was such an awesome chick. *A young girl can dream can't she* Question: Does anyone know where I may be able to get my hands on Loudest Love? I've looked where I live and on the computer and called around every where and can't find it. If you know of a place I'd appreciate it. Lisa B Eyes were waking up just to fall asleep.... ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Sexy songs and scary rumours ;-) Virtually everything Soundgarden have ever done sounds sexy to me - and it's nothing to do with my appreciation of Mr Cornell either. Yes, that voice is sex personified - and it would be even if it came from the vocal chords of . How else can you explain how a song about a postal worker's revenge on everyone can sound so damn filthy ;-) And let's not forget Matt's contribution to Mailmain either. In fact, for me it's the music and the sound of Soundgarden, not the lyrics,that I find so thrilling. Personal interpretations apart, they don't really write sexy lyric songs. A musical theorist would probably put it down to the beat echoing heartbeats and..um.. other rhythmic things. I think I even read somewhere that the reason people find electric guitars so sexy is something to do with the frequency of certain notes releasing pheremones, so it could be Kim I should be worshipping ;-) That's not to say I don't find other things in Soundgarden's music - Superunknown for me is one of their most joyfulsongs - for some reason it makes me want to spin round in circles until I get dizzy and fall down (I'm weird like that). None of their songs scare me - although Limo Wreck is pretty spooky. As for the rumour (scary or otherwise, depending on your point of view) that Caryn would be taking over from Seth, I think it highlights the strong feelings a lot of people have about somms and the website and what is going to happen come graduation day. I seem to remember a few months back Seth said he would reveal all in January (calm down Shroom ;-)!). So, Seth............? Seriously, of course it's up to Seth what and when he tells us, but don't keep us waiting too long! A lot of us care about this list, maybe too much, even when it goes through it's low points - and I hope I'm going to be reading and contributing for a long time to come. UKDeb ------------------------------ From: Greg Dunbar Subject: Melbourne Big Day Out, Jan 25 1997 Wow, it's all over - what a kick-arse festival! If you don't want to hear about non-Soundgarden stuff then keep going down to get to the Sg bits, I just thought I'd put in some stuff about the rest of the BDO. After turning up around 1:00, me and my brother Brett went off to the main stage to check out Powderfinger, an Aussie band that I haven't heard much of. They were pretty good I must say....pretty catchy tunes and a damn fine singer. We walked further up the stage in anticipation of Fear Factory who were coming up at 3:00 and we found ourselves deep within the pit. After begrudgingly listening to Supergrass, with abuse flying over to the 2nd stages direction many times, Fear Factory arrived to the stage to receive a massive reception. I'm pretty sure there's some Fear Factory fans in the list so I'll talk about it a bit. My 1st time in a mosh pit was interesting I must say! As FF started into Demanufacture, the crowd was rampant and as if trying to stand up straight wasn't hard enough, trying to get the crowd surfers off you was definitely a challenge. Zero Signal and Self Bias Resistor came and went - and they were totally awesome. A lot more atmospheric than any other bands I saw during the day. After sweating profusely and gasping for breath, I decided I must 'get out before I drown' so headed out. Where the waves were a bit calmer I really enjoyed the set which included Big God, Scumgrief, Self Immolation, Dog Day Sunrise, Martyr, Replica and Scapegoat. But with the weather being over the 30 degree mark it took a while to regain hydration and not feeling dizzy as hell. Later on I met Dino Cazares (guitarist) in the stalls so that was cool! You Am I and Patti Smith played and were OK, without saying that I liked Patti Smith, and then the Prodigy came out. Wow what a show! Being someone who really doesn't like 'techno' or 'The Prodigy' very much, they were totally awesome and had the entire crowd moving all over the place. I think the amps were ready to fall over the bass was vibrating them so much. Man those singers are weird dudes, but very entertaining. Breathe, Firestarter and Funky Shit were real good. Well only the Offspring to go and then Soundgarden would be playing! Instead of going to look at the Offspring we found ourselves a good spot to see Soundgarden from, just outside of the 'crazy area' cause I couldn't be bothered getting crushed in the pit again. The Offspring were alright and were good with the crowd but we really couldn't wait until Soundgarden hit the stage. Soundgarden came out to a big reception from the crowd, which was totally massive. Every direction you looked was just totally full of people, really huge. Chris, Kim, Ben and Matt hit the stage and Chris greeted everyone, and went on to start Spoonman. They were rocking from the start and looked to be in incredible form. Chris' voice was top notch! For those fashion mongers, Chris went for a black shirt with jeans, Kim with his famous Tool top and black jeans, Matt, well couldn't see him that clearly, and Ben was wearing this long sleeved creamy thing! Like a cardigan or something. Without pausing for hardly a breath, they went through Searching With My Good Eye Closed, Let Me Drown, My Wave and Pretty Noose. I've heard that Pretty Noose is a big test on Chris' voice - well he sang it perfectly. Telling us that this was the Big Day Over, Chris introduced what he said was a romantic song - - and then hit into Ty Cobb, and the crowd went apeshit. Chris went off with the 'Hard Headed Fuck You All' and threw his extended middle finger out to the crowd repeatedly! After that the others left Chris alone for his BHS solo. Before he started he told some people off for being noisy and then got into it. it was great. Then Outshined came on, which was incredible - hey what am I saying the whole thing was! Other songs they played in what I'm pretty sure is the right order was Blow Up The Outside World, Search & Destroy, Rusty Cage and Slaves & Bulldozers, which had an extended jam that had 'Everyone's got something to hide except me and my monkey' tacked on to the middle. I think that Blow Up The Outside World was the highlight, they played it a touch slower but it sounded way heavier than the studio version. Totally brilliant. The band looked to be enjoying every minute of the show - I didn't see Ben chuck any tantrums, he was just grooving along and having a good time, as was the rest of the band. It was pure ecstasy when they were playing and it would have been cool if they went longer but couldn't. We all cried out for an encore but we were just greeted with fireworks, which did cap off a really good day. Oh yeah, the last thing Chris did was say 'Don't take shit from no-one' and just threw his microphone on the ground and left, it was real cool! It's a real shame that this was the last Big Day Out as it was the 1st one I've been to and it was a really good day. But anyways, I'll be seeing Soundgarden tomorrow in their own show and can't wait, it should be fuckin' unreal. Well anyway, should be going now - got some sleeping to do! Bye Bye! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit "The Seas Of Cheezcake" http://www.cbl.com.au/~greg/index.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ From: KENNY BECKWITH <"beckwith@gte.net"@gte.net> Subject: CD Questions OK. All of you Sommsters are going to probley think I am some sort of Soundgarden invalid but I was hoping someone would be able to tell me what some of these CDS I found on the computer are. What is on them, if their worth my money. Here we go. Brand New Album (TBA) +1 CD $37.98 ? Cold Bitch/ Exit Stonehenge CD $20.00 ? Guitar Picks CD $40.00 ? Odds & Ends CD $15.00 ? Micellaneous CD $40.00 ? Record Award CD $600.00 ? (Not that I can afford this, just wondering what it is. You know just in case I ever hit the lottery or rob a bank. Which ever comes first.) S/T *Live* CD 10.00 ? Stage Shots CD $28.00 ? Supermotorfinger Colection CD $42.98 ? WorldWide Ltd. Edition CD $6.00 ? Really Free CD $33.20 ? So if any one has these or knows of them(what songs are on them)and if they are any good E-Mail me if you have the time. Any info would be greatly appreciated. E-Mail me at beckwith@gte.net Sexiest Soundgarden Song- Big Dumb Sex. Do you have to ask why? It even has the word *sex* in the title. Don't you want to touch it any way?.... You ain't had any thing like me yet, Don't you think its time for motion, I can take what you've been pushin'. Chorus goes here but for the obvious reasons I won't print it but you know what it is.- What girl could resist that sort of propisition? JK ;) Don't you want to thrill me.... If any one knows any good Soundgarden Web Sites besides Seths, the Official one, and Shrooms please let me know. I've read everything in each one and am always on the look out for more SG info and pics. Did any one else hear about SG putting out Fan Club only CDS. I read it in an interview with Kim. Just wondering if some one heard that this was going to happen in the future. Well I guess I probley bored you enough with my juvinile questions. Please don't get to upset with me. Lisa B. Sitting like uninvited company. Wallowing in my own obscenities. ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: *THE* Sexiest song EVER!!!!!! Sexy songs huh? OK, don't crucify me for this one, but the SEXIEST SG song is not really a SG song its a Temple of the Dog song. (OK gimme a break it is Chris' song, lyrics, music, and for God sakes Matt is there!!!!!!!!!!) And that song would be *All Night Thing* This song qualifies across the board Music, Mood, Lyrics, Theme, Ambiance, everything. Not only is this the sexiest SG song ever, in my opinion, it is the sexiest song EVER defying any constriction of time or artist. There has never been a sexier song nor will there ever be. And if you don't believe how sexy the potential actually is, you should see the VIDEO I made for the song. (Get your mind out of the gutter, this is not Rob Lowe territory). I would tell you the story but it's long and tedious. If any of you are desperate to know Email me & I'll tell you. Anyway, there is my vote. Lance "Why doesn't anyone believe in lonliness?" P.S. If I had to pick a purly SG song it would be a toss up between Flutter Girl & Angel on Fire! ------------------------------ From: Judd Pemberton and Erin Kniess Subject: crybabies Hello everyone, I just read my Saturday edition of the somms digest and I had to go vomit. Half of the damn digest is a bunch of f**king crybaby bullshit. I know by posting this, I have just done the very thing that I am condemming. I was under the impression that when I joined this list that I would be reading and discussing Soundgarden related topics. Instead, I have found that half of the posts are a bunch of personal attacks on others or a bunch of (like I said before) crybabies who take offense to the pettiest of remarks and then post to the list about how they were offended. People, let's get one thing straight. Nobody (I assume) wants to read a bunch of personal bullshit whining on the SOUNDGARDEN mailing list. Who cares if someone asks "Hey man, does Sandrundgren have any more albums besides Down on my Backside". or "Does anyone know where I can get that new song "Burnin' in my Pants". In my humble opinion, if you don't like some of these stupid (but still SG related) posts, then don't even give the f**king person a reply. And if Seth decides to make people like Shroomy or Caryn immune to the threat of being thrown off of the list, well great because he is putting the time in to run this list and the web page and he can do whatever the hell he wants to do. If any of you are offended by this, then f**king unsubscribe. It's that simple. I'm sure if Matt Cameron really is a member of this list, he doesn't want to scroll through a bunch of crap-filled, non SG related propoganda. So please people, don't be a bunch of stupid assholes and post meaningless bullshit on the list just so your little weiners can drip when you show your mom "Look mom, I wrote that, they actually posted what I wrote, Im controversial!" If you think before you post, then maybe it wont take half an hour to download one edition of the digest. And if any of you want to reply to this, DO NOT cry about it on the list. Send your reply to me personally and maybe I will respond. If this post means that I will be thrown off of the list, then I apologize but I had to do it. Hopefully all of this bullshit will stop right here. Thanks for reading this, but if you scrolled through this message without reading it, then you are one of the intelligent ones. Thank you, Big Brother. ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: WTD: Info on Soundgarden Books Hey List! Because of all the interest in Soundgarden books. I've started a "Book" section in the discography. Below are my only two entries. - - The Sound Of Seattle (Author: Steve Blush) - - Noise From The Underground - A Secret History Of Alternative Rock. Text by Pat Blashill, pictures by Michael Lavine, and intro by Henry Rollins I know there are tonz more :) So...Please email me with any info on Books written about or including info on Soundgarden :) Isnt there a book called New Metal Chrown and Screaming Life and and and and and..... :) Just a hunch...but it looks like Ty Cobb will be the next single. Anyone curious as to how they'll edit it? I'll go nuts if the offending words (fuck, motherfucker, shit) are beeped out! It has to be edited somehow or american radio won't play it. Maybe the Chemical Brothers did a remix :) steve - - accent free buffalo ------------------------------ From: Vince Varkey Subject: clarification Seth when you graduate this May, will you still be our list administrator or will you be handing over the reins to someone else? And to the more important question: You're bald? Don't tell me you cut your hair? hmm. - -vincent ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Ty Cobb/Bleeps/crybabies I guess it does kinda look like Ty Cobb will be the next single. That's the last song on the album I thought they would release as a single. But I hope they do. Steve, I don't think they beep things out in music anymore. There are more subtle ways of doing it than inserting a highpitched, out of place tone. They could insert new lyrics. "Hard Headed, Not too tall" "Hard Headed, basketball" What am I worried about? They will play it after 8pm here anyway. Does anyone know if they have any "clean" versions of the album, like they did for LTL? And to Big Brother: I could not agree with you more. Geoff - accent-free Winnipeg (Have you heard the accents they have in Buffalo?) ------------------------------ From: AJCorsi@aol.com Subject: I apologize for any stupid comments... Just wanted to let everyone know, I was not offended or anything by Seth's post, but it scared me. B/c I'm new, and I checked out Seth's site before I even joined, but I'm still kinda unsure about the way things work here. If I do something stupid, tell me please (nicely, of course), 'cause I think this list is one of the coolest things I seen (that could be b/c I haven't seen SG live yet), and I love hearing about all these things I never would have known otherwise. Seth- I know you don't know me, but I think you're the s**t (not sure if I can swear on here). If I do anything wrong, so sorry, I'll try to be good. to everyone else- please try to get along. I'm a very upbeat person (funny, and I still love SG, I think it's my release or something), and every message board or chat room, there are so many hate things going on and harsh arguments going on that no one talks about the band! I'm not trying to stick my noise in anyone's business, but in my opinion, any SG fan is cool. Why? 'Cause they like SG!! Let's leave the worshipping of the band to each other. And let's leave the bickering, arguing, and name-tossing to people who have nothing better to do. (And for all those out there who like to bicker, argue, and name-toss, no offense intended) I posted once, and I immediately got a great, and friendly email from a very nice person. I thought THAT was really cool. "Remember that I love you, love you" -sung by CC Ok, just to make this post more directly related to SG (sorry, Seth), I'll tell you my opinion on SG's sexiest song... heh, heh, heh(copyright Shroom)- There are a few songs that classify as sexy in my book (side note-anything involving Chris Cornell is sexy) Here are my choices...(drum roll please) "Beyond the Wheel" - whoa mama! This song makes me ache just listening to it. 'Nuf said. "Fresh Tendrils" - when Chris belts out with "Shame shame, throw yourself away, give me little bits of more than I can take...etc", I go bonkers. "Mailman" - Shroom said it best. It's so creepy it turns me on. "Tighter and Tighter" - does anyone else agree? I don't know, but when Chris says, "And I hope it's a sweet ride...warm and sweet...tight and deep...one last sin...", I'm thinking I'd like to indulge his wish. "Slaves and Bulldozers"- um, can we say wicked? I love the solo part. "Blow up the Outside World"- the chorus of " I've given everything I need, I'd give you everything I own...etc." puts chills up my spine. I think it's the transaction from verse to chorus, from calm to blowing up. SG has a certain dark, and sexy feel to their music anyway. Most of their songs are sexy, that's one thing that attracts me to their music. They have a very deep feeling in their music, beat, lyrics, etc. ps. Another thing that attracts me to the band, is the fact that they are all good friends, and have been for awhile. THEY LIKE EACH OTHER (hint, (not a sexual thing), hint) love and apologies for such a looooooooong post, lissa =) smile everyone!! ------------------------------ From: Mike Lecocke Subject: Sexy SG Wow, when I first read this newest thread about sexy songs, I knew I would have to put my two cents in. Here I go...be prepared, there are a lot lof them. *Let Me Drown-I've always liked this song, and the strange thing about it is that once when I was listening to it, I thought to myself,"God I'd like Chris to sing this to me." From then I've just thought of it as a very sexy song. *FOBD(video version)-I once read an interview where the writer asked Chris what kind of music he has sex to (woah...). His response was,"Real moody stuff." Well, I guess that kind of shed a new light on SG's more moody stuff, like FOBD. Plus, his voice in it is so quiet, and then loud, but the whole time it's so full of emotion... *Mailman-I think this one is pretty much a given. The lyrics, the voice, it's all so sexy. "I've seen how you give it, now I want to recieve." I mean, come on...how blind do you have to be to not find that sexy? Then, the big pause before he really starts screaming is also very sexy to me. It's just, on the whole, a supersexy song. *Fluttergirl-This one is not so much sexy as it is just raw. I mean, to me this is the only time we get to really hear a different side of Chris. To me, it's like he's protecting someone (which, in turn, shows he really cares about that person - something I don't pick up much from other songs.), and he seems vulnerable because of his caring. When I listen to it, I feel almost like I shouldn't be...almost like it's Chris talking in a private conversation...Then comes the feeling that he's talking to me, which is really personal and then very sexy... *Kickstand (live version on TDITTL single)-This one REALLY gets me. In this version, Chris' voice is just so husky-it's so heavy. I love it this way. Kickstand is a pretty sexy song anyway, but in this version his voice is just so good. It's completely erotic. SWMGEC-The line "If I took you for a ride, would you take it wrong, or would you make it right" has always been very sexy to me. Maybe it's just the mental picture I get in my perverted little head, but I really like it. Also, I love it when his voice gets really high at the end when he's singing "Is it to the sky". He just seems so out of control-very sexy to me. *Overfloater-Everything about this song is sexy to me. First the music at the beginning, then the lyrics. In my opinion, it's about a really drunken experience. The first line puts a vision in my head, and he seems so laid back in it, so...not stoned, but relaxed. "Close the door and pull the shades and climb the walls" is pretty damn sexy to me. It's like a trip, really...it's so quiet and sedate and it just makes you close your eyes. Then "I'm on the wire...over the pretense" breaks out and you can just see him struggling to break out of that unconscious state. The he falls back into it with "breathe and take it and gently blow it out(?!)" and he again seems so laid back. It's just a really moody song, which makes it incredibly sexy to me. Ok, that's all I can think of now. I hope I made some sense: I think that what a person finds sexy is really personal. Oh well, now you know. Byebye, Margret. :) ps-Smile, by PJ is REALLY sexy. The music is so sexy. It puts ALL kinds of crazy little thoughts in my head that only members of the CCHB (ask Shroom if you're not sure) could appreciate. ------------------------------ From: u1002740@host.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey Mlinscek) Subject: Room a Thousand Years Wide Toni M Roark:They list a live Kickstand video. Anybody ever see that???? Yes I have. You can find it on the Alive in the Superunknown cd-rom. Is it true that the version of Room a Thousand Years Wide on the RTYW/HIV Baby single doesn't have the sax at the end? That's a great song but the sax does kinda break the mood of the song. ------------------------------ From: "merlin.dwc@internetmci.com" Subject: more joyful songs, etc. . . Hey. . . about SG's most joyful songs... "Ty Cobb" is definately at the = top of my list, plus I agree w/ The Guitarist about "Spoonman," the music= is really peppy and upbeat. And as for the sexiest song -- it's "Pretty = Noose," hands down. It's really passionate and it's one of the few songs = CC's ever written about a girl, and I think the fact that it's about resi= sting the girl's advances, trying to resist temptation, makes it even mor= e sexy. I also wanna add that today I was watching something about Shakes= peare on the history channel, and I heard a quote that made me think of = Chris: "He is not of an age, but for all time." I couldn't have put it = better myself. "Diamond rope, silver chain Pretty noose is pretty pain. . ." "We count only blue cars, skip the cracks in the street and ask many questions like children ofter do. . ." ~Dishwalla ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: aussies please write! rumor from a good friend has it that a certain american vampire, leader of a known 'grunge' rock band, has been spotted at various BDO's???? if you can confirm/deny this or have newspaper clippings that allude to this or any other sightings, please let me know... shroom... you might just get some more pictures out of this ;-) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: NicoleB Subject: Re: List Negativity Ok. This is my first post. Hopefully it won't be my last, but who knows? I'm expecting the flames to fly. >From: Mercyhurst Prep Library >Subject: RE: List Negativity/Scary & Joyful > >At 10:36 AM 1/24/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Did the following post bother anyone else? >> >>Seth wrote >>>Caryn and Shroom, for example, have what amounts to >>>permanent immunity > >I'm right with you, Kath--this little post from Seth had me wondering what >went on that led to such...adoration or whatever. And maybe it's time to >ask, too, if anyone else is a little put off that the public rudeness from >Caryn has gone without a word of explanation now that she's back on the list >and posting in a joyful tone. Am I the only one who finds it odd there >wasn't at a least a "hey, I think I was a little out of line and I >apologize" to those of us who sat thru all that?? I could not put this better myself. I am a 'newbie' but I've been lurking for ages and have also read the archives, so I think 'odd' doesn't even cover it. >As for the new people...SETH! SHAME ON YOU! (no, I'm not afraid of >Seth!) This list should welcome new people. Seth, you're doing a super terrific job, but I haven't felt very welcomed. Your post didn't exactly help. > With new people, however, I am far less tolerant, and am >>>becoming less and less tolerant each day. I think Seth's whole view point should be turned on its head. 'Oldies' know the ropes, and one would expect a certain type of contribution from them, simply because they know better. On the other hand, us 'newbies' are the ones that deserve tolerance, because of our inexperience. We deserve patience. Don't like what you read from us? Ignore it. >Maybe we're a little hesitant knowing our words could get us flamed. I know >I no longer post much b/c Iwonder about reactions, and this is a forum were >we shouldn't be feeling like that. Hesistant is right. When I decided to make this post I was down right petrified, but someone's got to. I know there must be other lurkers like me, who are apprehensive about posting. So, I accept that if I'm making this post on their behalf, that I'll take the flames. Nicole - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Sunspots have faded, and now I'm doing time. Cause I fell on Black days" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: The way it is and the way it will be From: seth I. The way it is now You've heard my statement on the way I treat new people and the way I treat old people on the list. I will not change that. We were all new people once upon a time, and we managed to get where we are now. It's really simple: if you post about Soundgarden, no problem. That's all there is to it. It's a courtesy to those of us who have been reading daily for a long time to come to the discussion table having at least made some attempt to educate yourself via the websites and the list archive. It's a courtesy to take note of how other people on the list post: do we use ALL CAPS? It's a courtesy to re-read your message before you send it: does it mention SG in any significant way or is it a personal flame or remark about some other band? Those people who have sent countless messages about Soundgarden to the list are entitled once in a while to be off-topic, which is my idea of "immunity." Quite frankly, if you think I'm unfair, you have two options: you can play by the rules until I give up the list or you can unsubscribe. I would appreciate further opinions on this matter being sent to me privately. II. The way it will be There are rumors flying about what will happen to the list when I graduate in May. I know some of you would like me to stick around and some of you would like me to get off my high horse and leave you alone. It is most likely that I will step down as listadmin when I leave MIT - my immediate plans are to go to Europe for a month and after that I'm unsure. I have not made *any* decision about a replacement listadmin. In fact, if for some reason you are interested in running the list, contact me privately. Ideally, someone will come out of the woodwork who has access to Listserv or Majordomo, so subbing and unsubbing will be automated. Any "rules" that may exist in the future are the responsibility of whoever takes over. Any rules that I have made become invalid as soon as I leave. On a related note, the future of the Unofficial Soundgarden Homepage is also undecided. My attitude changes every day: one day I feel like I've had enough of it and the next day I think that wherever I go I will have to have Net access and I'd like to keep maintaining it. More on this later... seth ------------------------------ From: Bluem81014@aol.com Subject: love that art i just wanted to say that i love the artwork that everybody posted on the website.its beautiful man.keep up the good work.i wanna see someone do something on applebite,so surprise me. i wouldlike to know whats up about this tolerance thing with new list members.id like to because i just subscribed friday.seems like a very heated issue to me. and just ramble on somemore id like to tell you a little secret of mine.its nothing major but it affects my life everyday.im totally dedicated to SG but i cant share my feelings about the band with my friends because im the only black person in town who listens to rock.but i hope you guys wont judge and thanks for reading my sill,silly letter. bluem81014@aol.com sitting here like wet ashes withXs in my eyes and drawing flies.... ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: more clarity (note: if you weren't on this list during the saga in question, i could care less about your feelings or your comments. you *really* have no business interfering in this discussion because it simply doesn't concern you.) when i rejoined somms, i made a consicious decision to simply rejoin, quietly and without ceremony. my wish was to put everything that had happened behind and just move on. i thought it was best for the list and the community if the arguments were left behind and if i didn't call attention to them, thus stirring up a controversy that was far better (imo) left dead. if you will notice, i am not the one trying to rekindle discussion. i have never even made reference to it. the fact of the matter is, many words flew from many, many, many parties during the heat of the moment, and it is not just up to *me* to apologize. in fact, i would not even ask for an apology from anyone, nor am i doing so now. my point is, if apologies are needed, they are needed from the people who are 'demanding' or expecting them now to me as much as they think they are entitled to them themselves. no one was right, everyone was wrong (i'm speaking about those who got involved, and you will notice i include myself), and there are always two sides to every story. the only apology i will issue is to the list as a whole for not taking the affair to private email once it began to get heated, and/or for not dropping it completely. and to two people who wrote to me privately when i had been stabbed in the heart repeatedly, who were trying to be compassionate and i just didn't read it that way at the time (you know who you are, i hope). in any event, there will be no further comment from me in this public forum regarding this situation. i really have nothing else to add so there's no point in writing to me privately, but of course that option is always available to you. i don't think it serves the list and the community to continue to discuss this, personally. regarding future list plans, i don't know how much clearer i can be: I am not going to be the listadmin, even if i were asked. snide public comments about how 'scary' that thought would be are really pointless, aren't they, because seth and i have never even discussed it (until someone wrote to him telling him that they 'knew' that that was going to happen). and personally, i think you are all being selfish. seth is about to graduate university, he has a lot more intense questions in his mind than the future of this list. what difference does it make what he's going to do? I don't think we are entitled to pressure him or hound him for a decision now, or in the future, nor do i see what difference it makes. if you don't like the new listadmin, unsub and start your own list. if you do, then there's no issue. and if the list dies, so what? it would hardly be the first list to end and life will go on, you will write to the friends you have made on this list, maybe some day there will be another soundgarden list and no, it will NOT be somms. but that's life. seth, you have my heartfelt gratitude for creating this forum, and no matter what decision you choose to make, i for one honor and respect and accept it, whatever it may be, and hope that life's path takes you where you want to go. - --caryn ------------------------------ Subject: Re: SAGA From: Your Name Taylor wrote: >Wrap Up: Noone on this list should feel uncomfortable to post and maybe >it's good to be getting all of these feelings off of our chest. Taylor, that's exactly why I made my post about Seth's post to the list rather than privately. It was an attempt to open up discussion about something that I know for a fact many of the people on this list have feelings about. I'm glad that it did that - and for all the positive feedback I've gotten for it privately. Each and every one of us are important to this list, and the more of us who post (appropriately of course) the better as far as I'm concerned. My bid for sexiest song: I agree with US Deb, Mailman definitely does it for me. I see this as one of Chris' most darkly sexual songs. I know we discussed the meaning of this song months ago, but I still don't think its about a postal worker. More like a stalker: "I've seen how you give it, now I want to receive", "I'm riding you all the way" I could do a whole interpretation, but I think I'll hold off on that (aw-w-w) Whose personality do I identify with? Definitely Chris. I like (I could say prefer) to spend time alone, always have, and I'm a deeply emotional person. His lyrics always speak right to my soul, which is also the reason he's my favorite member of the band. Kathie ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Sexiest SG songs From: Your Name Shroom wrote: >"Mailman." Yet ANOTHER angry love song. When Chris sings "and now I >send you a message of love..." it sounds COMPLETELY sarcastic and inverse... >and since I happen to find sarcasm a complete turn-on... this song just works >for me. ;-) The way that Chris draws out the 's' in "send" and "message"... >all I can say is *purrrrrrrrrrr*... Shroom you are hearing it just like I am! In fact, that whole verse sounds sarcastic to me. Since I see this as a stalker song, I see this verse as the one where he gets her and has his way with her (isn't that a delicate way of saying it) and then rubs it in that now she'll always remember him - that he has indelibly changed her future which can never be "clean" now: "A simple reminder of what you won't see - a future so holy without me". Funny, in music (and in fantasy) I find this angry, sarcastic love a turn-on too, but not in real life . Kathie ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 22] ***************************************