From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 25 Jan 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 03:06:32 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 25 Jan 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: From the Mouth of Decadence . . . Scariest/joyful songs...what would you do...personalities... Re:Mixed Emotions!! RE: List Negativity/Scary & Joyful Rusty Cage Contest The SG & Karen The Making of Superunknown Clarification on "immunity" Re: oh, the usual. . . RE: List Negativity/Scary & Joyful RE: List Negativity/Scary & Joyful Re: The Making of Superunknown Waiting On the Upside Mosh video yet another clarification Re: Sexiest SG songs... (long post) Re: Chris Cornell's Mental Twin here Re: From the Mouth of Decadence . . . RE: List Negativity/Scary & Joyful Re: From the Mouth of Decadence . . . BIMH single Soungarden list limo wreck SAGA oh, the usual. . . Buy Musician and faint Re: From the Mouth of Decadence . . . Soundgarden stuff soundgarden Sexiest SG songs... (long post) Re: oh, the usual. . . ------------------------------------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: From the Mouth of Decadence . . . I would just E-mail Lance directly, but it seems everybody is posting their joy to the list, so I thought I'd join in just to make all you people who DIDN'T order FTMOD feel bad ;-) Rating: ***** (out of five, of course) Really cool new (to me) songs: Flutter Girl, Into the Void (Sealth - you know if you take out the "al" it spells...oh nevermind) (though this one is a bit long and it kind of loses my attention after a while...still like what I hear of it though, really cool main guitar riff - anybody have the tab? gee I guess I should close these parentheses...), Right Turn (though kinda' sounds like AIC to me...), Hey Baby(Land of Rising Sun - catchy guitar theme) . . .and . . . Rusty Cage w/ Johnny Cash!!!! heh heh . . . just kidding . . . man, I was cracking up when I first heard that! One of SG's heaviest song turned into country! Though I kinda' like that translation of the little interlude riff (y'know, the part with the really screwed up timing in the original version? you know what I mean...)... I know, most of you are probably surprised that things like Kyle Petty, Cold Bitch, and Toy Box aren't on my list . . . they probably will be eventually . . . it always takes me a bit longer to get into SG's heavier songs...the first time I heard BMF I hated (well, slight exaggeration, but "didn't quite like it all that much" just isn't quite as interesting, is it?) it! ('course now it's one of my favorites...) Not really cool songs: Blind Dogs (it gets kind of better, but that intro riff is just too screwy/outofkey for me . . . maybe it'll grow on me...), Exit Stonehenge (but that's a joke, right?), Motor Cycle Loop (why did you even put that on there Lance? It's not really a song!...I actually already have it though...made that mistake when I got the FOBD single w/ it...it said "lyrics by Kim Thayil" me:"cool! Kim Thayil!"...didn't realize that it didn't mention who wrote the MUSIC...) Just Plain Wierd songs: Spoonman(Remix), Big Dumb Sex(Remix), Jerry Garcia's Finger (I thought "Jerry Garcia" meant wild guitar solos from everybody's favorite lead guitarist...hey, I thought Chris said they didn't do elevator music?...that's what that one [middle?] riff sounds like!), Sub Pop Rock City (mainly referring to that weird little conversation thingy) If you've read this far . . . you must be as bored as I was when I was typing it . . . wow . . .congratulations! oh, buy the way: THANK YOU LANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QUESTION: Anybody that can help - What songs one FTMOD are written by SG and which are covers? I know Into the Void, Stray Cat Blues, Girl U Want, and Come Together are covers, but are there any others? I guess this is pretty long now . . . I'll stop harrassing you folks ;-) The Guitarist-2001 "Twinkle twinkle little star I wish I could afford a [Parker Fly] guitar" - Gina, Blues Traveler, Blues Traveler ------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: Scariest/joyful songs...what would you do...personalities... Scariest songs - I haven't heard Beyond the Wheel enough to give any commentary to that, but I've noticed that there's one song in particular that has not been mentioned that I thought would have been: 4th of July. At least the beginning, with all those weird background noises/effects during the intro, and those lyrics, for example: "Where the baptized drown" . . "I thought it was the end" . . etc. Joyful songs - This is easy, you know what it is! SPOONMAN!!!!! You can't beat it when it comes to joyful!! What would you do? - (I'm probably the only male responding to this) It doesn't really matter what he's singing, whether it be Spoonman or BUTOW or whatever, either way, I suddenly whip out my guitar and join in . . . on whatever song it is I whip out an amazing Satriani-style solo that goes on for about five minutes, at the end of which Chris compliments my amazing guitar playing and says he wants to introduce me to Kim. Since all the fish jumped on shore to hear our amazing music, we gather most of them to bring along, but one manages to flop (FOPP?) itself back in the water (Chris makes some comment about planning to write a song about that...) . . . . . . I'll skip all the details, but in the end, as you can probably guess, I become the fifth member of Soundgarden with our hit song Fishy (sorry, I tried to think of some creative SG reference, like Fish in My Hand, or Rhinofish, or Never the Fish Forever, but they just didn't seem to work...), which features me and a 10-minute guitar solo :-) ahh.... ok, back to reality, next topic? Personalities similar to band members: I actually see similarities between me and all band members except Ben (I'm not much of a spitter). As a songwriter I'm very similar to Chris, including both lyrically and guitar-wise, although as more of a lead guitarist I have to lean towards Kim, who also is similar because of interest in psychology (although I haven't really taken any classes or anything yet, I just find it really interesting)...and finally, I think we ALL have a similarity to Matt :-) We're here. and that's it for today (or at least for now) . . . The Guitarist-2001 "Twinkle twinkle little star I wish I could afford a [Parker Fly] guitar" - Gina, Blues Traveler, Blues Traveler ------------------------------ Subject: Re:Mixed Emotions!! From: Kelly I wanted to thank you for sharing your very personal interpretation of Overfloater. I can certainly see how the verses you quoted would fit your interpretation, too. That's really sad and I think it was brave to share it with the list. Its good to know that amid all the shitty stuff thats been being tossed around on here lately that people can still find support on the list. Kathie ------------------------------ Subject: RE: List Negativity/Scary & Joyful From: Did the following post bother anyone else? Seth wrote >Caryn and Shroom, for example, have what amounts to >permanent immunity (and don't you *dare* let this go to your heads, >you two) -- they've both been around long enough and contributed >enough that they would have to *really* push me to remove them from >the list. With new people, however, I am far less tolerant, and am >becoming less and less tolerant each day. I mean, I understand what Seth is trying to say, but I really don't see where Caryn or Shroom have needed administrative protection lately. Nothing has been said to Caryn that comes even close to some of the poison she has been known to spew. I imagine that most of us who have been on the list for any length of time have contributed to the page (at least I know those of us who post regularly have). Does that gives us all permanent immunity, or is that only reserved for a chosen few? I think this kind of attitude sets a poor precedent on the list. Is it meant to keep people from flaming Caryn, at the risk of being kicked off the list? Come on, the little tiffs going on lately are nothing compared to some we've seen in the past. I'm very surprised that nobody else has commented on this. Are we all afraid of our fearless leader? I think, in fact, that MORE tolerance is called for with new list members, who need time to learn how THIS list operates. Granted, they should lurk for a while to get to know what's going on and definitely check out the web page to get their questions answered, but even people who have internet access aren't necessarily computer and internet savvy. And some people are just more compulsive than others (I could name a few oldies who fit in here too) in what and when they post. I've been glad to see more gentle reminders posted to newbies lately. People are much more likely to respond positively to a kindly worded suggestion than a flame. Chris wrote: >Whatever it is, does it have to clutter interesting threads >like this scarry song thread? I mean, it was an innocent question that >turned into something wonderful! I agree. Amid the petty feuding we've had a couple really interesting threads. Besides the scariest song thread there's also the personal interpretations thread, which I think is great. I also agree with Chris that the best way to deal with posts you deem to be stupid is to ignore them. The list content and interest ebbs and flows, just like life. If you go with the flow it seems to rebound. It will be very interesting to see what happens, however, after Seth graduates (depends, I guess, on who takes over). Now that I've probably pissed off the higher echelons of the list hierarchy, I thought I'd contribute my 2 cents to the scariest/most joyful thread. I agree that 665/Beyond the Wheel/667 is really creepy as far as the sound and mood, but I think Nazi Driver is a really scary song. It sounds almost vicious. And I think Dusty is without a doubt the most positive SG song. In fact it is the ONLY SG song I would even consider describing as "joyful". How about this one: anyone want to contribute their thoughts on the "sexiest" SG song? Kathie ~Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me to~ RATM: Killing in the Name ------------------------------ From: "mcinturff, dylan" Subject: Rusty Cage Contest SOMMSters- I have two things to share with everyone. First of all, there is s Superunknown-era interview with Kim, Chris and Ben on the Mesa Boogie home page. The URL is: www.mesaboogie.com/US/Artists/sg Second, I recently came across a copy of the American Recordings single of Johnny Cash's version of Rusty Cage, b/w Soundgarden's original recording. I don't really need this item, so I have decided to give it away to one of you. Anyone interested in a chance should email me privately. Right now is Friday, so I'll allow until Monday afternoon to give plenty of people a shot. I'll pick a winner and mail it out to that person completely and totally FREE! One chance per person. Dylan McInturff ------------------------------ From: COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu Subject: The SG & Karen Cool...on the radio (yes, the End) this morning they played a PJ tune (forgive me, don't know the name..) The DJs were bs'ing and one asked who they got to play the chimes, was it God or a member of the band? Then one asked if maybe they went over to "The Sound Garden" to get that sound. Alas, they said that The Sound Garden did not make that particular sound but HEY, they mentioned it!!! Looking for any SG content on this Friday morning! :) Plus, Karen Cornell will be coming on later today to do some readings, so we can find out how our weekend is going to turn out. I'm there!! I'll post more if anything interesting transpires... Later! Bonnie ------------------------------ From: Wednesdayj@aol.com Subject: The Making of Superunknown This compact book "The Making of Superunknown" you're talking about -- Is it like the CDBook "Soundgarden" by Jon Ewing? And is it easy to find? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! :) ~ Wednesday ~ Lying like needles On forest earth Euphoric rush Trees bend to pray for us... ~ Chris Cornell ------------------------------ Subject: Clarification on "immunity" From: seth I've already responded to Kathy's message privately, but it seems like some people are confused about what I said regarding "immunity" and contributions. This is what I wrote: >Caryn and Shroom, for example, have what amounts to >permanent immunity (and don't you *dare* let this go to your heads, >you two) -- they've both been around long enough and contributed >enough that they would have to *really* push me to remove them from >the list. With new people, however, I am far less tolerant, and am >becoming less and less tolerant each day. Let me clear this up: I'm talking about contributions to the *list*, not the Web page. How could I make decisions about list matters based on someone's involvement with the site? There are tons of people that contribute to one and not the other, and that's 100% okay with me. I'm sorry if this was misinterpreted as my judging your "worth" on the list by the stuff you've sent me for the site. Another clarification: Caryn and Shroom are *not* the only people who have "immunity" on the list. I was just using them as examples. There are plenty of people I would never unsub... seth ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: Re: oh, the usual. . . CL Miller wrote: > has there been any further talk of putting a part on the web-page for > sommster covers of soundgarden songs? i think that this would be an > interesting venture for all soundgarden-loving musicians out there. Well, I loved the idea of producing a SG cover compilation about 2 weeks go... then my boss hit me with a major development project that I've been working on like a bastard... I still have many messages that I have planned on replying to, but it's funny how real life really sneaks up and bites sometimes. I'm still willing to produce a compilation tape of SOMMsters doing SG covers. I had this whole plan that I was going to post until, what I call 'the Death Project', arrived on my desk. I've had 1 beer too many to discus it now, though... Later, Taylor Currently listening to: Step into the Light - AW ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: RE: List Negativity/Scary & Joyful At 10:36 AM 1/24/97 -0600, you wrote: >Did the following post bother anyone else? > >Seth wrote >>Caryn and Shroom, for example, have what amounts to >>permanent immunity I'm right with you, Kath--this little post from Seth had me wondering what went on that led to such...adoration or whatever. And maybe it's time to ask, too, if anyone else is a little put off that the public rudeness from Caryn has gone without a word of explanation now that she's back on the list and posting in a joyful tone. Am I the only one who finds it odd there wasn't at a least a "hey, I think I was a little out of line and I apologize" to those of us who sat thru all that?? As for the new people...SETH! SHAME ON YOU! (no, I'm not afraid of Seth!) This list should welcome new people. I agree newbies have been a little ignorant, AS IN asking stuff we've already discussed either in the past or just recently, or they ask simple questions about Sg. Well, now, is this list not meant to be a place for people to come for info? So what if they ask stuff like that? Were all of you born knowing everything about the band? These new people could be told nicely--NICELY-- to check the page, the FAQ etc, if they have web access. Or, Sethmeister, here's a suggestion--I just subbed to a humor list and got a nice little info sheet. Are the newbies automatically sent an info sheet on how to unsub, where the page is, etc? If not, would that help w/ your short temperedness to these poor new listers? I just see no reason to flame them or be nasty to them on the list....if they leave the list b/c of that, what opinion will they have about the list? Perhaps not a very good one and they'll tell other potential members not to bother b/c of the shoddy treatment. With new people, however, I am far less tolerant, and am >>becoming less and less tolerant each day. > That was a bit of a gaffe to say that publicly! Might as well say newcomers not welcome anyplace on the web the somms addie is listed! >Come on, the little tiffs going on lately are nothing compared to some >we've seen in the past. I'm very surprised that nobody else has commented >on this. Are we all afraid of our fearless leader? Maybe we're a little hesitant knowing our words could get us flamed. I know I no longer post much b/c Iwonder about reactions, and this is a forum were we shouldn't be feeling like that. The list content and interest ebbs and flows, just like life. If >you go with the flow it seems to rebound. Kathie, very eloquently worded! It will be very interesting to >see what happens, however, after Seth graduates (depends, I guess, on who >takes over). Yeah, it'll be interesting, b/c I'll probably be on the list at home by then and will be around it all summer for a change... How about this one: anyone want to >contribute their thoughts on the "sexiest" SG song? > Put in my vote for Mailman! I love CC's growlly voice on that one. 'Course it could also count as my scariest song b/c whoever ticked him off, I wouldn't want to be the one he's singing about! Well kids, it's almost the weekend and is par for the course here on America's North Coast, we're going to get snow...and sleet and freezing rain and warmer temps that then hit rock bottom and lots of wind. Is it June yet??? ciao....deb ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: RE: List Negativity/Scary & Joyful kathie wrote: >How about this one: anyone want to >contribute their thoughts on the "sexiest" SG song? hee hee, you *had* to ask. = ) okay, with much deliberation i've come to the conclusion that Gun is one sexy song. explanation? "i've got an idea of something we can do with a gun...Push push push till we get some motion...push push push till the bomb explodes..." = ) and i'd have to say that Outshined is too