From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 17 Jan 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 10:42:27 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Friday, 17 Jan 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: ALOHA Re: help! Re: Soundgarden Promos and Vegas ideas... Hater CD found MAKIN' LOUD LOVE Re: What's the scariest Soundgarden song? Sex and drugs and rock n roll (minus the drugs) scary sg songs Re: Grammy nomination Into the Void (Sealth) Re: What's the scariest Soundgarden song? SCARY SG SONGS..... Reading 95 Scary SG songs!! Ahhhhhhhh!! Re: Soundgarden Promos and Vegas ideas... Re: MY DEADLY RARITIES Re: What's the scariest Soundgarden song? Re: Grammy nomination Re: MY DEADLY RARITIES Hawaii: verification needed Re: MY DEADLY RARITIES SG Video RE: my take on the grammies Bootleg RE: my take on the grammies hootchies, pumpkins and general nonsense Scariest SG songs Re: What's the scariest Soundgarden song? on the topic of research... Creepy SG songs... Hawaii shows confirmed colored vinyl the spoonman is here Re: hootchies, pumpkins and general nonsense Re: on the topic of research... Re: What's the scariest Soundgarden song? Re: on the topic of research... bits and trinkets... Re: ALOHA Re: Soundgarden Promos and Vegas ideas... Re: Soundgarden Promos and Vegas ideas... SOUNGARDEN Re: What's the scariest Soundgarden song? clarification artists for a hate free america... spooky soundgarden SCARIEST SONG arms held out... Mexico, Hawaii and Iowa ------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: ALOHA From: Soundgarden - -- [ From: Soundgarden * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- 1.1597.STOP. 16:00HOUR .STOP. IMMEDIATE ANNOUNCEMENT.STOP. JUST SPOTTED ON THE BEACHES OF HAWAII .STOP. SOUNDGARDEN GUITARIST KIM THAYIL GENTLY ROCKING HIPS . STOP. CLAD IN A GRASS SKIRT .STOP. THERE IS DEFINITELY TROUBLE IN PARADISE .STOP. DETAILS TO FOLLOW . STOP. GOLDENVOICE PRESENTS Feb 8th 2:30pm Maui, HI Maui Cultural Arts Center capacity 5,000 ON Sale date: Sat. Jan 18th ticket price: $22.50 Feb 9th Honolulu, HI Blazedale Arena 8pm capacity 7,529 ON Sale Date: Sat. Jan 18th ticket price; $22.50 aloha PS: Sorry, no reschedule dates for the cancelled NY and Mass shows yet. We will keep you posted. KOTS Knights Of The Soundtable ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: help! The best place for SGinfo besides Seth's page? Are you serious? Try Seth's page. Geoff Sgarden666@aol.com wrote: > > I'm doing a major-at least ten pages-report on soundgarden for my English > class. I desperatly need tons of info on the band, and biographies, etc... > Can anyone help me out? where's the best place to find stuff like this, other > than Seth's page??? > > Dawn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Soundgarden Promos and Vegas ideas... At 10:44 PM 1/15/97 -0500, Blatchy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 97-01-15 02:32:08 EST, you write: > ><< it's worth less because they were charging too fucking much for it in the > first place. when they were *really* rare, yes, mint ones went for $1000 > even. but then every greedy bloodsucking collectibles dealer got their > sweaty little paws on one and the market was flooded. the result: prices > dropped. $300, $500 are the prices you see nowadays and if you find one, > it's usually sitting there for a very long time, if not permanently. > >The reason why it was commanding so high of a price isn't because of " every >greedy bloodsucking collectibles dealer:, it's beacuse every person out there >was willing to spend the money to get...and they did. Prices in the market >cannot be blamed on the dealer if the market is buying it at that price. > Yes, prices did become too high for the album. But people still paid. And >I have yet to see a Butchers priced at $300 to $500 NOT move for an extended >period of time...in all my years of collecting. c'mon up to seattle and i'll be happy to show you a few. 10, 15 years ago it was a big deal and when i used to go to beatlefests they were the hot items. not any more. >Please! The only reason why the price of this Promo is so high is because >A&M releases it it limited supply, for radio only, then says "Please don't >sell this disc!". that means, don't sell it. that many people who work in radio are greedy bastards who insist on being serviced doubles and triples doesn't justify it. i know, because i've had to deal with these whiners calling me and complaining why their station only got one copy of a rare item (that's meant for the station library so ALL of them can play it). >What does that do? Drives people to spend >large amounts of money which raises the fan hysteria which increases the fan >base which sells more records. The only reason why this is priced so high is >because fans pay that amount of money for it. which is why i wouldn't pay $80 for SOMMS, why i support collectible dealers who charge *reasonable* amounts of money. if we all did that the prices would go down. >So who's the real fan: the >person who buys it at cost and sells it at cost OR the person who pays little >and sells for a lot. is this a rhetorical question??? i don't think it's a matter of who's the real fan, though i'd like to think that a fan wouldn't screw another fan because they're both coming from the same place. the guy who sold me a who ticket when i was 15 and desparately trying to scalp a ticket for the first time, tickets going for $100 minimum, me with $25 worth of babysitting money in my pocket. he sold it to me at cost after giving me a pop trivia quiz and told me to remember this the next time i had an extra. cut to 10 years later when i'd get a plus one on guest lists (before it was illegal to sell your extras) and i'd go find the person who looked like they'd die if they didn't get in and GIVE it to them. or the ten year old kid at marcus ampitheatre in milwaukee in 1995 to whom i sold a pearl jam ticket at cost - -- he'd never seen them before and it was his first concert. i flew out there from seattle and trust me it wasn't cheap, nor am i rich. but it goes against every bone in my body to take advantage of someone like that, especially a fellow fan. this is why i also scour used record stores to see if there's a mispriced SOMMS, why i buy extra pearl jam items when they're cheap to pass along to other fans, why i will never ever ever scalp a ticket. >It's moot because in the end, you're both just part of >the corporate plan in the end to promote the band(which, yes is a promotional >and marketing strategy...maybe you can work with me at a label sometime). been there, done that. spent 10 years at it, and promotional singles are to create interest in a very very jaded media. that some weasel takes a few boxes down to the record store to sell at $10 a pop something stamped "PROMOTIONAL - NOT FOR SALE" is not why the singles get planned, not why they exist, and is not what is supposed to happen. that it does probably can't be prevented, but that doesn't justify it, or you. i'm sorry. > I'd just rather be a paid pawn than just a pawn . As Ani DiFranco said >(someone who has never sold out ), "If I'm gonna go down, I'm gonna do it >with style." and if you were working for righteous babe and she caught you selling a promotional single for an outrageous sum of money, she'd claw your fucking eyes out. and if you want a quote, try this: "no i don't prefer obscurity/but i'm an idealistic girl/and i wouldnt work for you no matter what you paid/i may not be able to change the whole fucking world/but i can be the million you never made." [and as seth would remind us, if we want to discuss ani defranco further, let's take it to private email or the ani list] if you are going to hawk collectibles at outrageous sums, so be it. but be prepared to face the music on this list. - --cartb ------------------------------ Subject: Hater CD found From: Ben Timberlake Hey everyone, I spotted the Hater CD (the original, not the yet-to-be-released one) at Best Buy the other day. I was under the impression that it was hard to find, so, if someone wants me to get it for them, I will try to get out there ASAP. We can either trade or you can reimburse me (at cost + S&H). If it is easy for everyone to find, then you can all just laugh at my naivete. -- Big Ben Ben Timberlake btimlake@nwu.edu Northwestern University http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~bft718 Medill School of Journalism -30- "Young, middle-class, white, college-educated, unskilled, broke... and drunk" -- M. C. Bailey, self-description in Hal Hartley's "Theory of Acheivement" ------------------------------ From: RMISST@aol.com Subject: MAKIN' LOUD LOVE In a message dated 97-01-15 22:39:09 EST, you write: > Today, I was watching the sample hour of M2 on MTV. The announcer said they > were going to show Soundgarden, so naturally I got the VCR ready for > taping. I was praying they wouldn't show any videos from DOTU, but rather > something older. And boy did I get something older...Loud Love!! > Wow, this was like a once in a lifetime thing. I doubt I'll ever see it > again. The video was pretty cool. The video is just the boys on stage, > interspersed with cars crashing into each and police chases. Jason > Everman's on bass. It was sorta cheesy though, cause all 4 guys were > headbanging in unison. Matt looked weird with long hair. > I'm really lucky I stayed home today, otherwise I wouldn't have seen it. > > Vasant Dammit! I was going to watch M2 for the first time today too. I haven't seen that vid since it was on Headbanger's Ball 2 years ago. If only MTV would reach way back in their archives more often; the buzz clips and the pop songs from a year ago are really tired. RoseeMisst (the next time you hear from me, I will have duplicated and joined a religious sect.) ------------------------------ From: RMISST@aol.com Subject: Re: What's the scariest Soundgarden song? Okay, this song is recent, but I think Applebite is pretty freaky. I said before that it reminds me of music from a blaxploitation film. I guess it could be the background sound for dark and sinister movies as well. Chris might as well be a goth perfoming that song(it's always forever...)! Another 'dark' song would be Fourth of July. RoseeMisst (the next time you hear from me, I will have duplicated and joined a religious sect.) ------------------------------ From: Candy Haun Subject: Sex and drugs and rock n roll (minus the drugs) > Woah, Candy! Perverting a minor! Or is that legal in Oklahoma? ;-) > But Amanda, it was pretty disappointing for us British hootchies b/c over > here (as you may already know) your pants are your underpants! > UKDeb > aka the other scanner smut queen (thanks Toni) Well, yeah, its perfectly legal here. Why wouldnt it be? (just kidding) Unfortunately, when I sent the pic to Amanda, she couldnt open it. Maybe Matt is somehow sabotaging my efforts to make him into the porn star that he deserves to be. Hey, he shouldnt mind. He posed for the picture! Actually, its not nearly as risque as some of those Calvin Klein ads. > we've ALWAYS been in the business of supplying lewd pictures of > soundgarden to anyone who wants them. ;-) even mr. seth erm, 'uploaded' a > picture containing a known protrusion to the unofficial web site. ;-P Hey, thats just another reason why the unofficial web site is more popular than the official one! Maybe I need to send this pic to Seth and ask him if he will put on the home page so everyone who is interested can look at it. Seriously, Ive had a lot of requests for it and not everyone can download it. > Maybe she is getting it for her mom, my daughter will do the same for me. Yes, thats exactly what I figured! She wants to surprise her mom! OK, Ill stop with the SG porn stuff. > i have an idea for a thread. let's hear everybody's scariest soundgarden > songs. the songs that you wouldn't want to hear by yourself, alone, in the dark. To me, Mailman is one of their scariest songs. It brings on images of stalkers and serial killers (yes, Ive seen way too many horror movies and read way too many horror books). When Chris sings the line Im riding you all the way, it gives me chills (unless I think about Chris and then its not scary, but something entirely different--oops, there I go again, sorry). Well, the title is what really gives me the creeps--what could be more frightening than postal workers--particularly in Oklahoma?! Much of Soundgarden's music sounds scary to me--4th of July, Slaves & Bulldozers, Nazi Driver--the list could go on and on... Candy ------------------------------ From: Sgarden666@aol.com Subject: scary sg songs Well, I think Applebite is freaky too, but the song that frightened me the most was this song on LTL, I dont remember the name of it, but I think one of the lines was "Do you want to touch me?" or something like that. But I had just got LTL, and when I heard that song I started getting chills. Then again, I was sitting alone in a dark room at a strange hour, drunk as can be... DAWN ------------------------------ From: tendrils Subject: Re: Grammy nomination > > My whole point was that just because they are nominated it doesn't mean > > they buy into the whole scene. > > ... I totally agree... I was just playing Devil's advocate in saying > that SG seems to be going more commercial. This, for the sake of trying > to raise an interesting discussion to possibly overshadow some recently > popular smut threads. :) i'm not so sure thay aren't going maybe a little. OK, lets face the fact that they've surely made as much money as they're ever gonna want so they don't have to play to any commercial demands. But listening to DOtU i think the band has progressed to a more commercially acceptable musical stance from Superunknown. (or maybe the world just changed around them ?? :) ). But there is distinctly less strange timing and experimentation with strange guitar tunings thatn there was on Superunknown. Granted the music is still pretty strange tho'. Actually it seems more to me that Superunknown was actually pushed by Soundgarden to be very strange and alternative, because it really doesn't seem to fit all that well between Badmotorfinger and DOtU. Thats jsut *my* opinion though. tendrils "hey you slaves go hang your owners..... ....Lay your children on their thrones...." Soundgarden (it seems to be the thing to do to put a lyric in :) ) ------------------------------ From: "V. Anselmo" Subject: Into the Void (Sealth) I have a copy of the Northwest indian chief's (Sealth) speech that Chris used to create new lyrics to SG's cover of Into the Void. I edited the speech into one paragraph and put the applicable sentences in all caps. I also put the final CC lyrics into a paragraph format. If you weren't already astounded by CC's writing ability, read on and compare the original speech to what CC came up with. -Vikki :) THE SPEECH (EDITED) The Great Chief of Washington sends word that he wishes to buy our land. ...we will consider your offer. For we know that if we do not sell, the white man may come with guns and take our land. THE IDEA IS STRANGE TO US. IF WE DO NOT OWN THE FRESHNESS OF THE AIR AND THE SPRINKLE OF THE WATER, HOW CAN YOU BUY THEM?... WE KNOW THAT THE WHITE MAN DOES NOT UNDERSTAND OUR WAYS... FOR HE IS A STRANGER WHO COMES IN THE NIGHT AND TAKES FROM THE LAND WHATEVER HE NEEDS. THE EARTH IS NOT HIS BROTHER BUT HIS ENEMY AND WHEN HE HAS CONQUERED IT, HE MOVES ON, HE LEAVES HIS FATHER'S GRAVE BEHIND AND DOES NOT CARE... Even the white man, whose god walks and talks with him as friend to friend cannot be exempt from the common destiny. We may be brothers after all, we shall see. ONE THING WE KNOW WHICH THE WHITE MAN MAY DISCOVER -- OUR GOD IS THE SAME GOD. The whites too shall pass, perhaps sooner than all other tribes. CONTINUE TO CONTAMINATE YOUR BED AND YOU WILL SOON SUFFOCATE IN YOUR OWN WASTE... And what is it to say goodbye to the swift pony and the hunt? The end of living and the beginning of survival... - --------------- INTO THE VOID (SEALTH), lyrical arrangement and additions by CC How can you buy or sell the sky, or the warmth of the land, it's strange to us. We don't own the freshness of the air or the sparkle of the water. How can you buy them from us? The white man doesn't understand our ways, for he's a stranger who comes in the night and takes from the land just what he needs. He treats his brothers like his enemies. When it's completed he moves on. He leaves his father's grave and his birthright -- his birthright is forgotten. The air is precious to the red man, for all things share the same breath. The white man won't notice the air he breathes like a man dying for many days. The whites must treat the beasts of his land as his brothers, not his enemies. Tell me what is man without the beasts. I'll bet he will die of loneliness. One thing we know that the white man will -- we know our god is the same god. You may think you wish to own him, own him as you wish to own our land, but he is the body of man and the earth is precious to him. Continue to contaminate your bed and you will suffocate in your waste. ------------------------------ From: Toni M Roark Subject: Re: What's the scariest Soundgarden song? At 09:22 PM 1/15/97 -0600, you wrote: >i have an idea for a thread. let's hear everybody's scariest soundgarden >songs. the songs that you wouldn't want to hear by yourself, alone, in the >dark. My vote is for "Beyond the Wheel" The beginning vocals of that song gives me the creeps! Sorry Chris and hootchies!! toni ------------------------------ From: bbecker@mecasw.com Subject: SCARY SG SONGS..... GUN gets my vote for scariest song, not for the music as much as the lyrics. "I've got an idea, of somthing we could do with a gun" What psycho friend of yours will turn to you and say that? ------------------------------ From: "mcinturff, dylan" Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:10:39 EST5EDT Could any of you fine SOMMS brothers and sisters help me out? I would really like to get my hands on a copy of the Reading Festival performance from 1995. E-mail me privately if you can, and we'll try to work out something. Thanks! Dylan Oh, yeah... I think the chorus of Fresh Tendrils is pretty scary. It kind of makes my skin crawl, and I love it... ------------------------------ From: Rebekah Henderson Subject: Scary SG songs!! Ahhhhhhhh!! Beyond The Wheel!!! Chris sounds scary in that song!! The guitar at the beginning is frightening too!! That song just makes me wanna hide under the covers. :) VASANT: I saw M2 also. When they said they were going to play SG, I also ran into the other room got my tape, put it in the VCR and waited. It turned out to be Loud Love and I didn't tape it because the video for that is on the Louder Than Live home video which I own. *sigh* Oh well....... ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: Re: Soundgarden Promos and Vegas ideas... Blatchy@aol.com wrote: > Prices in the market > cannot be blamed on the dealer if the market is buying it at that price. Tickle Me Soundgarden. ------------------------------ From: Vince Varkey Subject: Re: MY DEADLY RARITIES Does anyone know how much Into the Upside is going for these days? - -vincent.. ------------------------------ From: Vince Varkey Subject: Re: What's the scariest Soundgarden song? The scariest Soundgarden songs would be: 1) Applebite - everytime I hear this song I picture SG playing in some empty school auditorium with the spotlight directly on them, and a depressed as hell look on their faces...like they are being forced to play it as some kind of punishment. Not exactly a song I would want to listen to at 4 in the morning. 2) Blind Dogs - Great brooding, slightly scary song..kinda makes you want to go out when it is Halloween and tear shit up and not think about it. 3) Boot camp - 'nuff said. 4) Pretty Noose (The Saturday Night Live Version) - hey it frightened the shit outta me.. - -vincent ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: Re: Grammy nomination oponfam@cnsnet.com wrote: > I didn't mean you, Taylor (actually I'd have to say "us" because I feel > the same way about the Grammys). I know, I just thought it funny since sometimes I do need an ego check. ;) > I mean the artists who get nominated and > then whine about it. I agree, I don't like artists whining about getting nominated for an award. > Actually I disagree that the Grammys represent > commercial rather than artistic accomplishment, at least as far as > Soundgarden is concerned. UltraMegaOK was nominated in 1988 and it was > far from commercial. Soundgarden seems to represent "risk-taking", or > maybe "political correctness" to the Grammys. Good Point. However, I still think it's mostly commercial, but, like you said, they throw in a risque nomination to try to keep a sence of artsy respectability. I know, I'm chasing my tail on this one.. ;) > My whole point was that just because they are nominated it doesn't mean > they buy into the whole scene. ... I totally agree... I was just playing Devil's advocate in saying that SG seems to be going more commercial. This, for the sake of trying to raise an interesting discussion to possibly overshadow some recently popular smut threads. :) Later, Taylor ...Actually I'm the firestarter, a twisted one at that... ------------------------------ Subject: Re: MY DEADLY RARITIES From: seth > Does anyone know how much Into the Upside is going for these days? Just about every place I've seen is selling it for around $30, though you might get it for $25 if you're lucky (excluding those rare places where you find things like SOMMS for $7 and such). Superuninterview goes for the same price. seth ------------------------------ Subject: Hawaii: verification needed From: seth In the inbox today was a message saying that Soundgarden has scheduled two shows in Hawaii after they return for Australia. The shows are on Maui on February 8 and Oahu on February 9. Tickets allegedly go on sale tomorrow (Friday, January 17). Can anyone confirm this? seth [by the way, ignore this message - i obviously got confirmation -seth] ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: MY DEADLY RARITIES On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, seth wrote: > > Does anyone know how much Into the Upside is going for these days? > > Just about every place I've seen is selling it for around $30, though > you might get it for $25 if you're lucky (excluding those rare places > where you find things like SOMMS for $7 and such). Superuninterview > goes for the same price. what's interesting is when these first came out, the prices i saw consistently out here were in the $45-50 range, and every time i picked one up the dealer would really try to sell me on the rareness of it. then it pretty much dropped to $40, and now I have seen them in the $30-$25 range, which is far more reasonable imo. it's not all that exciting of an item after all.... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: "Heather James" Subject: SG Video I just thought I would let everybody out there know that I just got the new Soundgarden video from mosh video. I heard about it from a few of you other SOMMers out there so I figured what the heck. All I have to say is, if you don't have this video "GET IT NOW". The video was awsome. It had live clips and videos on it. Excellent quality. I have never seen the music videos of "Superunknow" and "The Day I Tried To Live" but now I have. Thanks mosh. It has all the videos that Soundagrden has released from Badmotorfinger and Down On The Up Side. It also has a cool interview with the band from an episode of Haggin' w/ MTV. I was totaly impressed with this video. The great thing was that I got the video in less than a week. I sent out my check on a Monday and then I got the video on Saturday. That is fast. I usualy don't brag about stuff on the digest like this, but I thought that this was something too cool not to discuss. If anybody is interested, mosh's E-mail address is: mosh@fones.cals.lib.ar.us Bye, Heather James. P.S. He also has a bunch of other really great videos for sale. - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: AvAndrea@aol.com Subject: RE: my take on the grammies Dave- I have to agree with you and Caryn on this whole Grammy thing. I know people who are voting members of NARAS and they are BUSINESSMEN. They vote for things that will make them and their cronies more money. This is not to say that all voting members fit this profile, just the ones I happen to know. They wouldn't know a talented musician if he or she came up and spit in their face. The Grammies have virtually nothing to do with the new and interesting and fantastic things that happen in music every year. They are about being able to put a little sticker on Celine Dion's latest CD that says "Grammy Nominated" or "Grammy Winner" and having that and all the other nominees/winners on the "Grammy Wall" at the front of Sam Goody so all the people who don't know what to buy their niece for her birthday will pick it up because it must be *good and safe* if it's nominated for a Grammy. The only real benefit, iho, is that it allows artists exposure to audiences that they might not otherwise reach. But unless they're actually playing at the ceremony this exposure is very minimal. True, an award is an award and one shouldn't look a gifthorse in the mouth and all that crap but I don't think Soundgarden gets their validation from this kind of industry back-patting anyway. Whatever their feelings are about the nomination and the awards they've already received, we all know that they're a group of intelligent men with a very business savvy manager and I'm sure that they all fully understand what the Grammies mean and do not mean. Andrea ------------------------------ From: "Anna Mehrer" Subject: Bootleg Hi everyone! I don't post very often, but I'd like to say I've enjoyed being on the list (and visiting the Unofficial Page!), and I'm looking forward to = meeting all the Chicago Sommsters at the end of this month...assuming = that's still in the works. Anyway, I was curious if anyone has a copy of a Soundgarden show from an = April 1990 "WDR Rocknacht" at the D=FCsseldorf Phillipshalle. I have = only one song (and the radio station's intro. to/background info on = Soundgarden) recorded from that show--excellent condition. If anyone is = *that* "hardcore" where s/he would like a copy of this one song, e-mail = me privately and we'll coordinate something. My tape deck deal is in the = shop right now, so I'm forced to listened to my clock/radio....woohoo! So = a dubbing can't take place until some time next week. Also, New Model = Army headlined this 1990 Phillipshalle concert, of which I have a = complete and master recording (including an interview with Justin = Sullivan!). So if there are any NMA fans out there who need/want a copy, = let me know. OK--farewell for now and good luck to all those fellow souls across the = continent braving sub-zero weather. - --Anna ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: RE: my take on the grammies On Thu, 16 Jan 1997 AvAndrea@aol.com wrote: > The only real benefit, iho, is that it allows artists exposure to audiences > that they might not otherwise reach. But unless they're actually playing at > the ceremony this exposure is very minimal. very true. just because they were nominated doesn't mean that anyone is going to necessarily go in the record store the next day and ask for it (there are stats on this every year, on the pre-grammy vs. post-grammy sales, i'll be sure to post them as they relate to sg). my favorite story is when the rollins band was asked to play the grammies - -- rollins tells this hilarious story about everything they went through, and how he spent the rehersals practicing blowing kisses to bruce springsteen's mom (they have the seating chart in the audience so that the camerapeople can practice getting 'candid' shots of audience members). > True, an award is an award and > one shouldn't look a gifthorse in the mouth and all that crap but I don't > think Soundgarden gets their validation from this kind of industry > back-patting anyway. Whatever their feelings are about the nomination and the > awards they've already received, we all know that they're a group of > intelligent men with a very business savvy manager and I'm sure that they all > fully understand what the Grammies mean and do not mean. and whatever their reason for going or not going is their business, how they choose to react or not react is their business. if they go -- great, we get to make jokes and ogle chris/matt/ben/kim if you're a hootchie. ;-) if they don't -- whatever. their choice. i don't think any more or less out of them *either* way. 'commercial' is about as stupid a word these days as 'alternative' is. soundgarden are commercial. commercial doesn't mean 'selling out', to me it means a band with international recognition and a major label deal who are widely exposed. that's the whole reason people join bands in the first place (besides making music -- but if they didn't want as manh people as possible to hear it they would just stay home and make tapes for themselves) and i personally don't see what's wrong with it. more power to 'em. ;-) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: CAMPBELLCG@bvu.edu Subject: hootchies, pumpkins and general nonsense Ok, i gotta say something, everytime i turn on this computer i'm bombarded with smut! I mean the rankness just pours out, forsaking all around me and filling the room. I was under the assumption that this list was controlled by a certian friend of ours at MIT. No no no no no, it's time we faced the facts, the list has been taken over by satan and his soundgarden people. THE HOOTCHIES ARE LOOSE!! AND THEY'RE ALL ON THIS LIST!! PLANNING, WAITING FOR THE DAY!! And on that day I'll be glad I'm not in a certian band in the upper western area of the nation. It might be good, if your in that area, to start a whip and leather shop now.... then you'll be ready for the onslaught. I wonder who we owe this sudden arousal and coming out of the closet too, hmmmmmmm? Whoever would set that kind of an example? (Wink in the general direction of Texas) And If I were you Seth, i would make sure that i had an escape route, because hootchies are mobile, they like to take road trips, and i can about guess where stop number two would be. :) Ok, there is a bit of seriousness in this post and for all of you who find it impossibly hard to be serious, i won't be offended if you skip to the end. :( Two days ago i took a class trip to a Pumpkins concert and when we got back we had a pretty good talk about it and a large percentage of the class didn't like it. They're reasoning was that there wasn't enough of a show (ie. lights, lasers, smoke, that kind of stuff) and the words were hard to decipher. I personally think that the kind of show they did put on was better, keeping the focus on the music. What do you think? The problem was the seating, that's exactly what it was. I'd seen them on this tour a couple months ago and was ready for it, but in turn wasn't as excited as i would have been for a GA show. You lose alot of the feel and crowd excitement if you have to stay in your seats, i think anyway. well that was deep. for me anyway biff, silently awaiting the coming of the hootchies ------------------------------ From: cornell Subject: Scariest SG songs Hmmm...my scariest SG song would have to be "Blind Dogs". well, not really scary, but one of the darkest and coolest SG songs, especially when I'm acclimated to the "Self-Pollution Radio" version, where I first heard it. The song just radiates darkness and freakiness...especially the bass in the beginning... I love singing it while walking down a dark street. Gregg "Shave your head, burn your sheets" ------------------------------ From: "B. Kinser" Subject: Re: What's the scariest Soundgarden song? As for the scariest Soundgarden song I would have to say either "Mailman" or "Uncovered". Both of these have a creepy feel to them and Chris' voice on Uncovered just sounds evil. BK ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: on the topic of research... SOMMSters- i'm doing my senior term paper now, and it's on the Censorship of lyrics . um, and i know that SG's in that Artists for a Hate Free America and i was just wondering on how i'd get more information on that organization, if you guys know. do you think Management could help me at all? and anyone out there with any big love of anti-censorship, e mail me cause i'd love to use you as a source. = ) thanks guys! mind riot ** delve into Bad Religion ** ____ and if i'm condemned let me rest on my pillow and dream of those moments so few and if i'm blessed i'll be chasing your shadow there i go...nowhere... nowhere but you... ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Creepy SG songs... i think Nothing to Say is kind of creepy and definately Beyond the wheel and 4th of July is SOO ... well, not scary, more of a moving frightning experience when in the dark and alone. = ) mind riot ____ and if i'm condemned let me rest on my pillow and dream of those moments so few and if i'm blessed i'll be chasing your shadow there i go...nowhere... nowhere but you... ------------------------------ Subject: Hawaii shows confirmed From: seth The two Hawaii shows have been confirmed by the Management: Feb 8 Maui, HI Maui Cultural Arts Center Capacity: 5,000 Sale date: Saturday, Jan 18i Ticket price: $22.50 Feb 9 Honolulu, HI Blazedale Arena Capacity: 7,529 Sale date: Saturday, Jan 18 Ticket price: $22.50 They were careful to point out that the band still does not have any plans for another run through the US, nor do they have any plans to make up the canceled New York and Boston shows. seth ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: colored vinyl Hello all, Hmmm...A person might get the impression that because they are on AOL this somehow makes them automatically inferior to the ones who arent. What does that have to do with Soundgarden?? A Big NOTHING...I dont think Soundgarden would give 2 shits about something like that, and neither should we. Anyway, I keep reading about many of you getting colored SG vinyl. Where did you find them? I would write anywhere to get one. Do you have store names or addresses I could contact? If you know of a place, please email me with the subject "colored vinyl" or something like that. Thank you VERY much for any info. Carol ------------------------------ From: "the spoonman" Subject: the spoonman is here hi people. I've joined this mailing list a week ago and this is the first letter i'm sending in. I'm happy to join this mailing list cause i've always wanted to here more about soundgarden although I'm getting too much letters from you and I cant read 40 massages every day. I like soundgarden and also smashing pumpkins, pearl jam and faith no more. my favorite soundgarden album is superunknown and my favorite songs are: - -the day I tried to live - -fell on black days - -burden in my hand - -hunger strikes if you want to send me private messages please mail them to spoonman_private@hotmail.com and not to this Email. by the way: if soundgarden will apear in the simpsons matt could exchange stories with granpa simpson I'm the wreck of you all the spoonman, israel. - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: hootchies, pumpkins and general nonsense On Thu, 16 Jan 1997 CAMPBELLCG@bvu.edu wrote: > direction of Texas) And If I were you Seth, i would make sure that i had an > escape route, because hootchies are mobile, they like to take road trips, and i > can about guess where stop number two would be. :) hootchies are also known to take business trips and some like to invite list admins out for dinner ;-) > Ok, there is a bit of seriousness in this post and for all of you who > find it impossibly hard to be serious, i won't be offended if you skip to the > end. :( Two days ago i took a class trip to a Pumpkins concert and when we > got back we had a pretty good talk about it and a large percentage of the class > didn't like it. They're reasoning was that there wasn't enough of a show (ie. > lights, lasers, smoke, that kind of stuff) and the words were hard to decipher. > I personally think that the kind of show they did put on was better, keeping > the focus on the music. What do you think? as seth would say, i think this is a discussion that would be best served on the smashing pumpkins list. ;-) - --cartb ;-))) ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: on the topic of research... you can call AFHA at 1-800-3Whattodo, or write them at ahfa@aol.com. they are really nice and really friendly and can give you TONS of information. - --caryn On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, GRRL NIKI FREER wrote: > SOMMSters- > i'm doing my senior term paper now, and it's on the Censorship of > lyrics . um, and i know that SG's in that Artists > for a Hate Free America and i was just wondering on > how i'd get more information on that organization, if you guys know. > do you think Management could help me at all? and anyone out there > with any big love of anti-censorship, e mail me cause i'd love to use > you as a source. = ) thanks guys! > > mind riot > > ** delve into Bad Religion ** > > ____ > and if i'm condemned > let me rest on my pillow > and dream of those moments so few > and if i'm blessed > i'll be chasing your shadow > there i go...nowhere... > nowhere > but you... > > ------------------------------ From: PenCapChu1@aol.com Subject: Re: What's the scariest Soundgarden song? wow, this topic actually seems perfect, because ive noticed that Room A Thousand Years Wide can be really freaky. its just a very very dark song to me, and i guess listening to it in a dark place made me notice how creepy it is. not like chris' sudden screaming makes me jump or anything, just creepy... just my opinion and wondering if anyone else finds RATYW a little freaky.. - -pencapchew ------------------------------ From: FlutterGirl Subject: Re: on the topic of research... At 04:29 PM 1/16/97 -0500, you wrote: >SOMMSters- > i'm doing my senior term paper now, and it's on the Censorship of >lyrics . um, and i know that SG's in that Artists >for a Hate Free America here is the number for Jam Pack, a Washington (?) based organization fighting censorship in music...they are affiliated with the Washington Music Coalition...they can also give you numbers for other organizations fighting for the same cause in your area... 1-800-880-0526 DeeDee...aka...cornflake... and i was just wondering on >how i'd get more information on that organization, if you guys know. >do you think Management could help me at all? and anyone out there >with any big love of anti-censorship, e mail me cause i'd love to use >you as a source. = ) thanks guys! > > mind riot > >** delve into Bad Religion ** > >____ >and if i'm condemned >let me rest on my pillow >and dream of those moments so few >and if i'm blessed >i'll be chasing your shadow >there i go...nowhere... >nowhere >but you... > > ******************************************************************************** "Wallowing in my own chaotic, insecure delusions" TOOL http://www.infochase.com/ent/deedee/index.html ------------------------------ From: Outshined@aol.com Subject: bits and trinkets... Caryn : >> "....where you can experience graphically-intense pages that >> take FOREVER to load even with a pentium 100 and a T-3 heh heh... not ONLY are these images intense, but in some cases seem to have no connection to the band (bugs crawling around, anyone??)... I'm not a big fan of the Official site either, as it doesn't tell me anything I don't already know from visiting the Unofficial... though I'm still interested in finding out where/how they dug up words to 'cleaning my gun' and 'ocean fronts'... hmmm... Joseph A. Burnett : >> INTO THE UPSIDE cd A&R promo release? a soundgarden >> interview by eleven's alain and natasha I have this too, it's a cool CD... I'm not sure where/how widely it's available... when I was in Indianapolis this past fall I happened to dig it out of the 'used' section at an indie music store... I thought it was a good find, especially for $3... Sgarden666@aol.com : >> I desperatly need tons of info on the band, and biographies, etc... >> where's the best place to find stuff like this, other than Seth's >> page??? well, you could always check out iMusic... or wait for Mr. Apple's Kim Thayil biography... ;) seriously, I'd start with Seth's page... it's all there... articles, bios, the works. Kevin ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: ALOHA >JUST SPOTTED ON THE BEACHES OF HAWAII .STOP. >SOUNDGARDEN GUITARIST KIM THAYIL GENTLY ROCKING >HIPS . STOP. >CLAD IN A GRASS SKIRT .STOP. >THERE IS DEFINITELY TROUBLE IN PARADISE .STOP. Hahahaha!! WooBABY! :::wonders how much an airline ticket to Hawaii would cost her::: I wonder if this will open up a whole new avenue of SOMMS smut? ROCKING HIS HIPS?!? And I wonder if Chris will put in an appearance in a skirt? AAAUUUGGGHHHHH!!!! MIND OVERLOAD!! Heehee... Shroomy "Hey Shroom, if you can guess what color underwear I have on under this skirt... I'll let you see. Wow!! Good guess!! You're absolutely right!! I'm not WEARING any underwear!! Look!!" ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: Soundgarden Promos and Vegas ideas... caryn rose wrote: > which is why i wouldn't pay $80 for SOMMS, why i support collectible dealers > who charge *reasonable* amounts of money. if we all did that the prices > would go down. Sorry for barging in here... but didn't you send a message to the list saying that you bought a copy of the *black vinyl* Room A Thousand Years Wide 7" for $50??? This 7" isn't worth any more than $15, the purple vinyl - maybe. This just sounds a tad hypocritical... - -- Chris Mackenzie ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: Soundgarden Promos and Vegas ideas... On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Chris Mackenzie wrote: > caryn rose wrote: > > > which is why i wouldn't pay $80 for SOMMS, why i support collectible dealers > > who charge *reasonable* amounts of money. if we all did that the prices > > would go down. > > Sorry for barging in here... but didn't you send a message to the list > saying that you bought a copy of the *black vinyl* Room A Thousand Years > Wide 7" for $50??? This 7" isn't worth any more than $15, the purple > vinyl - maybe. This just sounds a tad hypocritical... so call me stupid -- i *thought* i was getting a bargain, having seen the black one for $80 and the purple one for $150. i was buying from someone i trusted. if you take those facts into consideration then there's zero hypocricy here -- i'm just an idiot. feel better, chris? i sure hope so. i didn't see you writing to me privately when i posted to tell me that. thanks a bunch. i just don't understand why you're all so willing to judge someone who hasn't contributed anything to the list but is willing to exploit it, but yet need to attack me for daring to question him. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Myra Haza Subject: SOUNGARDEN I was wandering if there are any other girl guitar players out there. I play and all the other girls that I know that know how to play can only play easy stuff like Everclear and Green Day. I can play lots of Soundgarden like: Burden in my Hand, Blow up the Outside World, Pretty Noose, Dusty, Ty Cobb, Applebite, Switch Opens, Black Hole Sun, Spoonman, The Day I tried to Live, and Outshined. Has anyone heard M.A.C.C.(Mike McCready, Jeff Ament, Chris Cornell, and Matt Cameron) play "Hey Baby (Land of the New Rising Sun)" on Stone Free:Tribute to Jimi Hendrix? It kicks ass!!! Does anyone have the tab to 4th of July, cause if you do send it to me. Chris Cornell is the sexiest man alive. Screw Brad Pitt and Gavin! -Myra, 13 ------------------------------ From: gene Subject: Re: What's the scariest Soundgarden song? I have to agree here. I am especially freaked out by the note Kim does that is held through the verses. Reminds me of the mosquito of death! PenCapChu1@aol.com wrote: > > wow, this topic actually seems perfect, because ive noticed that Room A > Thousand Years Wide can be really freaky. its just a very very dark song to > me, and i guess listening to it in a dark place made me notice how creepy it > is. > not like chris' sudden screaming makes me jump or anything, just creepy... > > just my opinion and wondering if anyone else finds RATYW a little freaky.. > > -pencapchew - -- ----- \___/ ----- ; > Gene ------------------------------ From: CAMPBELLCG@bvu.edu Subject: clarification Sorry, sorry, sorry. I...ah...well... What I meant about all that pumpkins nonsense was that SG put on the same kind of show, with the emphasis on the music, not the show. I wasn't trying to talk specificly about the Pumpkins, just using that as an example. I just, you know, wondered if you guys thought that SG should or would put on a big show, and if so, what would it be like? I personally like it the way it is, completely misic oriented, but I can understand why someone might want the "show", like a Kiss Concert or something. Once again, sorry to bore you with the Pumpkins talk earlier. I guess I probly should have written all this on the last post. Sorry, I often suffer from head-up-my-ass syndrome. :) trying to pull it out now in fact biff ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: artists for a hate free america... sommsters- guys, thanks for the help. those of you who wrote me back really helped me a lot, i even now have another org to work with as well. thanks so much! love you all! = * mind riot ____ and if i'm condemned let me rest on my pillow and dream of those moments so few and if i'm blessed i'll be chasing your shadow there i go...nowhere... nowhere but you... ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: spooky soundgarden list-o's... in my opinion, these are the spookiest SG songs i can think of right now: 4th of July ...just really overly creepy alone in the dark, you can see everything chris is singing and it's weirdo!... Nothing to say ..."nothing but the one thing [bom bom] fvvvvvvvvv..." a little creepy sometimes.... Beyond the wheel ...esp. with hey jude in the opening...scary! = ) Nowhere but you ...swirling, different world-like, the echo-reverb on the vocals and the plodding guitar repeating that incessant riff... Slaves & Bulldozers... this one...come on now, guys, starts off nice and almost subdued then hits high gear then slides into a long solo with chris whispering in "everything i gave is what i need..." spooky!!! = ) Like SUicide... sad, a mourning tone of voice the whole song, the vocals over kim's solo, kim's solo... it's a damn spooky song... = ) but i love them all, spooky or not... mind riot ____ and if i'm condemned let me rest on my pillow and dream of those moments so few and if i'm blessed i'll be chasing your shadow there i go...nowhere... nowhere but you... ------------------------------ From: RBlanch887@aol.com Subject: SCARIEST SONG The song that always freaks me out is "Limo Wreck" ps my friend says that the video for "Blow Up the Outside World" was based on a film called "Clockwork Orange" or something like that. Is this true? RB also known as Kikstand4 ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: arms held out... On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Deborah Baker wrote: here is what joey ramone had to say about dotu on addicted to noise today (all exclamation points are his own, btw): "blow up the outside world!!! I feel that way often. I can relate!! great cd!! great band!!" he rated dotu as his fifth favourite record of 1996, rating the independents, d generation, 22 jacks and his own (may they rest in peace) ramones ahead of it. > But from a practical point of view, the Australian market probably isn't big > enough to justify an ep of exclusive, unreleased tracks. And with the Big > Day Out almost upon you Aussies (you lucky things!) there will be a lot of > people there who will (hopefully) get turned onto Soundgarden who won't have just out of interest, this year's big day out (the last of it's kind) has recently sold out, making it the largest bdo ever in this state. the first show of the festival's tour is in southport, queensland, and will attract around 40 000 people (or so I am told). I'll be one of those 40 000 . backstage access to stage number 1 (soundgarden's) will be impossible to wrangle, considering that bands not playing on the main stage itself can't get access no matter how much they plead and cajole :) perhaps things will be less strict for their show here three days later... I just had a quick look at the official bdo page, and they are advertising online chats with musicians appearing at the melbourne and perth shows. perhaps one of our guys will be involved? there are email contact adresses listed, but they probably don't have a firm schedule set yet, so it would probably be pointless asking. also of note is the guests-only you am I show which is scheduled for this tuesday night here in brisbane. there is a small chance that I could get in with some friends, and there is a smaller chance still that a certain group of four men may make it to the show... food or thought: the possibility of members of both soundgarden and you am I appearing onstage together *three* times in one week. now **that** would be worth the price of admission :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Toni M Roark Subject: Mexico, Hawaii and Iowa Hey Urbano!!! How about having SOMMSfiesta at your place in Puerto Vallarta? We, Sommsters in this frozen Northern Hemisphere need a little warmth and sun!!! We'll bring the tequila!!! Do we have an Hawaiian Sommsters?? SOMMSluau sounds good too! Especially Kim doing the Hula , Matt twirling flaming drumsticks and Chris in a topless sarong for entertainment. I'm having a hard time visualizing Ben in paradise. Hawaiian Hula Hootchies!!! You're safe in Iowa for awhile Biff!! But wait until we decide to have SOMMScorn husker days!! A naked corn shucking contest and butter spreading relay for the boys! Yehaaaaa!! can't wait for August! toni ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 14] ***************************************