From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 5 Jan 1997 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 03:43:31 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Sunday, 5 Jan 1997 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: B-Sides Kim Thayil Hi!! Stuff Soundgarden-bible Re: Update on my hunt for Aussie bonus SG DOTU CD Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 4 Jan 1997 Fwd: drawing flies Ben- Calendar? WHAT'S THE CALENDAR snl hello...we are soundgarden Re: snl Re: Chatting Re: snl MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: Re: Stuff Fwd: Hi!! Chris pic's/bush/drawing flies/etc December Rolling Stone article Re: snl #somms Saturday Night Live rerun RE: drawing flies ------------------------------------------------------------ From: la_gusa Subject: B-Sides i=B4m very interested in the b-sides compilation and i want to know where i can get it. i live in Spain and i can pay the tapes and the shipping cost. Thanks to all somsters. ------------------------------ From: zap@itc.or.at (Sebastian Kienzl) Subject: Kim Thayil >From: Bucci > I would just like to say that Kim Thayil is the best lead >guitarist in the world today! Wellwell...what a superficial message. You just can't say that!! I mean...he is a GREAT guitarist with very weird solos and gread riffs and his way to play has a soul!!! But you never can say he's the best of the world - I always hated when someone claimed someone is the best guitarist - cause it's not true!! There are good tappers, good solo-players, hispeed-scale-players, whammy-bar gods and so on....do you know what I mean? so...just cause the music rulez doesn't mean the guitarist is the best...think about it! ;) Sebastian email: zap@itc.or.at (preferably) scream_contact@hotmail.com - --- [my thoughts ya hear and ya begin to fear] - -- ------------------------------ From: zap@itc.or.at (Sebastian Kienzl) Subject: Hi!! Hi!! Well...I'm new here. Could anybody tell me what "SOMMS" means....?? I can't tell how happy I am now to be in a REAL sgfan "newsgroup". It's really funny to read those mails.... Hmm...I've never been too good in introducing-mails...so ok I'm a 17 years old guy from Austria/Europe and I'm a SG-Fan for quite a while now...I'm still looking for records like "temple of the dog" but I haven't found them yet...what a pitty... Well...my main interest is listening and making music. Mainly I rape my guitar but I also play drums and a bit of piano - so it's no big wonder I play in a band called "bloomfield" :) Yeah...we tried to cover SG once but it was real hard work...wow Some reason for my sg-fanatism: - -always when i listen to sg, a big pressure inside my body comes up and I feel like I'm gonna explode and have to hit my head against something hard - it's just undescribeable and I guess I don't have to describe it for you ppl - cause I think you're much more fanatic then I am. I have to admit I always forget the titles of the songs you know...I always listen to the whole CD and sing with it - - I know evry note, most of the lyrics and so on...but I just can't remember this titles...damn :) - -sg is just so melodic - I mean - I don't know much stuff like this around, maybe there is something comparative in the "underground" - but I don't get much of this. Well - and Soundgarden is the perfect name for them - it's a real garden of great songs and lyrics - damn...I can't describe it Maybe :) you've noticed my bad english and the simple words I use - it's just cause english isn't my mothertongue Oopps...I guess I should stop writin now...I don't wanna bore you to much... So...again...I'm very happy to be with you and I hope there's something around to discuss with you... Okies...hellos and waves to all ppl in here!!! Hi!! Sebastian Kienzl my fav sg-songs: - -jesus christ pose - -the day I tried to live - -boot camp - -say hello to heaven (I've never heard the whole song - I just have a wave with the first 1 min.. ;((() email: zap@itc.or.at (preferably) scream_contact@hotmail.com trek: 37:200/24.5 - --- [action for reaction] - -- ------------------------------ From: zap@itc.or.at (Sebastian Kienzl) Subject: Stuff s> And it's true. He had a lot of nothing to say. And then, Nirvana s> signed on with a major label. That's pretty much the biggest travesty s> that Seattle has ever experienced. But that didn't come from Kurt. s> That came from his quick-to-sell-out drummer Grohl. Yeahyeah. :) Why Grohl? I mean - I've read the biography and it said Kurt always wanted to become a big rockstar (he dreamed of it as a child - I don't remember if he still dreamed of it as an grownup - but I remember he said "We wanna become BIG" and such stuff) and as far as I remember, Novoselic has been the "buisness-man" in Nirvana. Well...maybe I'm wrong, but you shouldn't claim Grohl is a "I'll-do-anything-for-a-buck drummer". I'm no great Foo Fighter-fan (SG is my fav of course ;) but I really like the way he plays drums and the energy he has on the InUt and the Nev record.....well, I just wanted to defend Grohl :) Sebastian Kienzl email: zap@itc.or.at (preferably) scream_contact@hotmail.com - --- [two eyes two suns] - -- ------------------------------ From: zap@itc.or.at (Sebastian Kienzl) Subject: Soundgarden-bible Hey Sara! Well...maybe I think it's exxagerated cause I'm a male...but my honest opinion is (skip the following lines if you don't wanna know) that it's quite trashy. I mean...hey! SG is no boygroup!! I love SG cause of their music and not of the way the look and they are....really!! And you describe em as gods and so on....maybe you're just crazy or it should be funny I dunno. Just remember: I didn't want to offend you - I just wanted to msg my honest opinion. Sebastian P.S.: ohya..and please don't kill you cause Ben has a child and is married email: zap@itc.or.at (preferably) scream_contact@hotmail.com - --- [all in all is all we are] - -- ------------------------------ From: psyche Subject: Re: Update on my hunt for Aussie bonus SG DOTU CD Carolyn wrote: >I tried a couple of CD shops in Adelaide - both of which said they've had the bonus CD in with DOTU, but they've all been taken. Both stores said they might have more coming in on Wednesday. So I have to phone them back then, and try to get a few. I actually found this promotion pack while browsing the web today, in Esprit Mail order, but when I asked them about it, they said they've all been sold out as well. So either there are *a lot* of SG fans on the net (who aren't on the list I presume) or there are a lot of people buying it, who'll end up selling it for triple the price in two months :) >{keep in mind that CDs in Australia cost around $30 - which is about $25 US + postage} Esprit wanted 29 US$ for it so I assume it's going to cost a little more than 30$(Aust) if that's how much you pay for a regular CD :) and please keep in mind, that A&M's definition of 'unreleased' can be different from ours..... I'd like to believe we'll be getting some studio tracks here, but I also remember that when the Aust 'butow' single came out, there was a little sticker on the cover claiming 'Gun' and 'Get on the Snake' (both live) were previously unreleased, just b/c it had never been on an official release before. So I really hope they won't be putting a bunch of stuff from LTL or MV on the bonus CD...... or tracks that were previously unreleased....in Australia (b-sides like 'She's a Politician' etc) .....keep your fingers crossed..... sabrina ------------------------------ From: "ARIE ELMALEH" Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 4 Jan 1997 to the person who said that when they listen to soundgarden it calms them down, well their music has the same effect on me. i think it's because i'm so in love with the sound of their music, that it has that calming effect on me. when i listen to soundgarden, all my stress leaves me, and all my troubles disappear (for a while). that's all i gotta say. "i wish to wish, i dream to dream, i try to try, and i live to live, but i die to die, and i cry to cry, and i know why" - Somewhere by Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Fwd: drawing flies - --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: drawing flies Date: 97-01-04 10:40:51 EST From: KAISERVRBL To: carolynh@dove.net.au In response to Drawing Flies being about "masterbating". I disagree. I think he's talking about the process he goes through to write a song & the subject matter that seems to come out on the page. Why do I think this the minions are shouting. Well, I start with the line "Fire the loaded mental cannon onto the page" and I work backwards from there. Being a writer by trade & by hobby, a lot of his lines ring true to the process. "Sitting here like univited company, "wallowing" in my own obscenity I share a cigarette with negativity" (A lot of CC's lyrics are less than happy.Anyone read the lyrics to 'Zero Chance' lately) "Bathed in perspiration drowned my enemies. Used my inspiration for a guillotine" (Another writing reference) "I said hey what you yelling about conditions, permission, mirrored self-affliction..... sadist's, co-addiction, perfect analogies..... " (I believe here he is mimmicking or taunting what the press and other peoples response to his lyrics & what they mean. We all know he hates to field those questions) "Leaning on the pedistal that holds my self denial. Firing the pistol that shoots my holy pride" ( I also believe that these lines are metaphors to the mental process that he goes through to write & the subjects he puts down on paper.) Hell, who knows I could be completely wrong. I'm the only person in the world who thinks 'Burden in my Hand' is about the secret nuclear testing in the Utah & Nevada desert in th 1950's (The truth is lying beneath the river bed. Follow me into the desert). So I could be completely fucked up. But hey, you all know it wouldn't be the first time. Lance "Hiding behind words I'll never find" ------------------------------ From: Paul Thompson Subject: Ben- Calendar? So Ben is only on the calendar twice? No picture of Ben is without Chris, Kim and Matt? Does anyone see anything wrong with that? - -- Paul beatnik@prairienet.org ------------------------------ From: "Paul Schiller" Subject: WHAT'S THE CALENDAR HEY GUYS! I JUST READ MY MAIL AND I KEEP HEARING ABOUT THIS CALENDAR AND SOMETHING ABOUT A LIMITED EDITION CD. I DON'T GOT A CLUE WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME PLEASE! rudiger@hotmail.com "SOME ONE TRIED TO TELL ME SOMETHING DON'T LET THE WHOLE WORLD BRING YOU DOWN" - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: PFilipek@aol.com Subject: snl soundgarden on snl tonight w/ host jim carrey. they play pretty noose and burden in my hand. ------------------------------ From: CL Miller Subject: hello...we are soundgarden way to go mosh! i just received the "hello...we are soundgarden" tape this morning. i almost killed myself running to the vcr to play it. excellent job on the compilation, and so speedy! it's always great to have more and more soundgarden stuff and your tape hits the spot! my friends will be green with envy! if anyone wants to receive a catalog for this or other great import videos, here's how to contact mosh: mosh's e-mail: mosh@fones.cals.lib.ar.us mosh's snail mail: david lipke 5901 j.f.k. blvd. #2821 north little rock ar 72116 believe me, the time and money spent will be well worth it! thanx mosh and YOU stay hostile too! ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: Re: snl At 12:33 PM 1/4/97 -0500, PFilipek@aol.com wrote: >soundgarden on snl tonight w/ host jim carrey. they play pretty noose and >burden in my hand. ok i dont know about anyone else, but *yawn*...can we say *enough*?? sitting thru that twice was hard enough, now a third time? they are such an amazing live band but i will not watch this again, or if i do, the mute button will be on....Must See TV...ho hum.... eliza recovering from breakfast in somms ;-) **************************************** In these careless days you know Who your friends are, a saving grace A time to remember What you've taken and who You took from, it's over There's no mistaking What you give is what you get --Quicksand ------------------------------ From: Joe Cennamo Subject: Re: Chatting On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Kelly Lee wrote: > Hey Everyone! I talked to alot of mailing list members yesterday and had a > great time. I hope we can do that again Skye, Ronda, Shroom, and Fluttergirl. > We need more people to chat with us. It's the Soundgardenchat room. See ya > there! > > Sincerely, > Kelly Lee > -The other Kelly :) I start member Soundgarden chat rooms on aol all of the time, I've meet alot of sommsters that way. Just thought I'd get that out. If anyone on the list wants to talk to me on aol IM jcennamo, I love getting ims. I'll shut up now. joec ------------------------------ From: Joe Cennamo Subject: Re: snl On Sat, 4 Jan 1997 PFilipek@aol.com wrote: > soundgarden on snl tonight w/ host jim carrey. they play pretty noose and > burden in my hand. I taped it the first time that they showed it. I think it's the worst I've ver sen Soundgarden. Chris's voice was awful. I wonder if he was nervous? He was fine at lolla. joec ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: Re: Stuff This is not the Nirvana mailing list. This is the Soundgarden Mailing list. Just thought I'd clear that up. If you want to talk about Nirvana, join the Nirvana mailing list, but don't do it here. Some of us may like them, and some of us may not give a frying fuck about them. Discussing Nirvana on this list is inappropriate, unless it is specifically relevant to Soundgarden. That is all. Geoff p.s. Beware the axe Sebastian Kienzl wrote: > > s> And it's true. He had a lot of nothing to say. And then, Nirvana > s> signed on with a major label. That's pretty much the biggest travesty > s> that Seattle has ever experienced. But that didn't come from Kurt. > s> That came from his quick-to-sell-out drummer Grohl. > > Yeahyeah. :) > Why Grohl? I mean - I've read the biography and it said Kurt always wanted to > become a big rockstar (he dreamed of it as a child - I don't remember if he > still dreamed of it as an grownup - but I remember he said "We wanna become > BIG" and such stuff) and as far as I remember, Novoselic has been the > "buisness-man" in Nirvana. Well...maybe I'm wrong, but you shouldn't claim > Grohl is a "I'll-do-anything-for-a-buck drummer". I'm no great Foo Fighter-fan > (SG is my fav of course ;) but I really like the way he plays drums and the > energy he has on the InUt and the Nev record.....well, I just wanted to defend > Grohl :) > > Sebastian Kienzl > > email: zap@itc.or.at (preferably) > scream_contact@hotmail.com > > --- [two eyes two suns] > > -- ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Hi!! Can anyone say Micheal Apple. - --------------------- Forwarded message: From: zap@itc.or.at (Sebastian Kienzl) To: somms@MIT.EDU Date: 97-01-04 14:58:33 EST Hi!! Well...I'm new here. Could anybody tell me what "SOMMS" means....?? I can't tell how happy I am now to be in a REAL sgfan "newsgroup". It's really funny to read those mails.... Hmm...I've never been too good in introducing-mails...so ok I'm a 17 years old guy from Austria/Europe and I'm a SG-Fan for quite a while now...I'm still looking for records like "temple of the dog" but I haven't found them yet...what a pitty... Well...my main interest is listening and making music. Mainly I rape my guitar but I also play drums and a bit of piano - so it's no big wonder I play in a band called "bloomfield" :) Yeah...we tried to cover SG once but it was real hard work...wow Some reason for my sg-fanatism: - -always when i listen to sg, a big pressure inside my body comes up and I feel like I'm gonna explode and have to hit my head against something hard - it's just undescribeable and I guess I don't have to describe it for you ppl - cause I think you're much more fanatic then I am. I have to admit I always forget the titles of the songs you know...I always listen to the whole CD and sing with it - - I know evry note, most of the lyrics and so on...but I just can't remember this titles...damn :) - -sg is just so melodic - I mean - I don't know much stuff like this around, maybe there is something comparative in the "underground" - but I don't get much of this. Well - and Soundgarden is the perfect name for them - it's a real garden of great songs and lyrics - damn...I can't describe it Maybe :) you've noticed my bad english and the simple words I use - it's just cause english isn't my mothertongue Oopps...I guess I should stop writin now...I don't wanna bore you to much... So...again...I'm very happy to be with you and I hope there's something around to discuss with you... Okies...hellos and waves to all ppl in here!!! Hi!! Sebastian Kienzl my fav sg-songs: - -jesus christ pose - -the day I tried to live - -boot camp - -say hello to heaven (I've never heard the whole song - I just have a wave with the first 1 min.. ;((() email: zap@itc.or.at (preferably) scream_contact@hotmail.com trek: 37:200/24.5 - --- [action for reaction] - -- ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: Chris pic's/bush/drawing flies/etc How goes it mon, Someone said something like why so many pic's of Chris only in the calender? Well, dear this is show biz.., with bands, since the singer is the "voice of the band" and if he is cute, they will exploit him more than the rest of the band. Dont worry less than 1 out of 100,000 people will have that calender .Chris's exploitation is on the down swing..Baby, he's been a rock star for years...he can hack it...he loves it.....rock stars have big ego's....yea they do. And Bush. I saw them on the Howard Stern show last nite...(god!) and Gavin is seriously better looking than anybody else in that band, Sorry, but he is....i'd do him, haha...Now I could drone on about how stupid I thought it was they were on Howard Stern, but I wont. (Now dont go gettin all sensitive about my sexual inuendos here) Drawing flies, could be about Chris masturbating (and I can just get real kinky with that mental image) and guys are guys, so that could be...but isnt it interesting its so open for interpretation....I never pictured that. I pictured him at a friends house partying.... And..btw, dont be blasting Kurt. I dont give a fuck if he was a roadie or whatever (I would LOVE to be a roadie), Kurt had good music and I loved him. SG's music is like no other, so was Kurts music. And I also like STP they fuckn rock I dont care what U say, cuz some of U are too narrow minded... very narrow.... Thats the difference between me and someone that is 14, 15, 16.. I grew up listenin to the same music that SG did..60's 70's and 80's rock..You guys only have the 90's rock to compare to. Altho Im sure youve heard AC DC etc...you didnt grow up listening to it, and have tons of record albums and partied to Black Sabbath or AC DC or Judas Priest, Pink Floyd, Rush, Eagles, or probably even Janes Addiction.....all GOOD BANDS!! (Dont go freaking out now...this age thing is a DEAD subject) P.S. my cute and cool and sexy guitar teacher-dude taught me how to play Back in Black, Hells Bells, and the start of Stair way to Heaven today.. KiILLER If u dont know these songs....I worry. I AM smelling like a rose that somebody gave me on my birthday death bed....STP Crazy more than u know... Carol ------------------------------ From: Vincent Varkey Subject: December Rolling Stone article For your reading enjoyment.. From Rolling Stone issue 750/751, December 26, 1996- January 9, 1997: These are the best of times and the worst of times for Seattle rock. The A&R leeches and press hounds are long gone; the scene is back to relative normality- that is, lively and neighborly (even if some of the neighbors have platinum all over their walls). But the survivors are hemmed in by the freak commercial expectations generated by 1992's Summer of Sub Pop and the dead weight of a tired, distortion-driven rock aesthetic. Grunge, at its most belabored and cliched, is a music aptly named. On their '94 master blast Superunknown, Soundgarden blew a big, black hole through the burnt-boogie angst of heavy Muzak, managing to sound both fried and alive in the fine thunder-and-color tradition of late-period Led Zeppelin. There is some quality frenzy on Down on the Upside, but Soundgarden seem to be digging in their heels rather than kicking up dirt, relying too much on drone-y impressionism and clever (as opposed to cleaving) guitar motifs. The album is by no means a disaster. It simply lacks defining episodes of catharsis - and waffle-y lines like "I think it's turning back around/And I think I like it" ("Dusty") don't count. Soundgarden are capable of tearing down walls; here, they're just rattling windows. - -vincent ------------------------------ From: "Crystal Smith" Subject: Re: snl dang it.....its like an hour past since they showed then on SNL... & i missed it again.....i said i wasnt gonna do it again but i did... *sigh*...this makes it the 3rd time i missed it....oh well..... at least a couple people said it wasn't that good ok.....i dont have any SoundGarden live or rare stuff but i'd ************************************************************ * Crystal Smith * * * * E-mail: metallicafreak@hotmail.com * * Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/7513 ************************************************************ - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: gene Subject: #somms I have the keys. HeHeHe - -- ----- \___/ ----- ; > Gene ------------------------------ From: eric & staci Subject: Saturday Night Live rerun Hi All, I am right this minute watching that SNL Rerun. They're singing "Pretty Noose" right now. I must agree with Seth and say that it is a very "icky" performance (well, he said it better). Anyway I think the first time I saw this show I was just so happy to see SG that I wasn't very critical. Since then I have seen them live, bought some older stuff and have been reading this digest. I now know how much better they should have been. Oh well, anyone can have a bad night. Just wanted to share my revelation. Staci ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: drawing flies Lance wrote: >>I think he's talking about the process he goes through to write a song & the subject matter that seems to come out on the page............ Lance, that's pretty much what 'Drawing Flies' has always meant to me. But I must say it COULD be about what Bill thought - masterbating! Just goes to show how ambivalent CC's lyrics often are.......... Carolyn the Melting Fusion Stick 'em up punk - we're the fun lovin' criminals! - Fun Lovin' Criminals ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 3 Issue 5] **************************************