From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 24 Dec 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 01:22:32 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Tuesday, 24 Dec 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: vote....maybe or maybe not Re: #somms another Seattle review Re: Outshined age is nothing. SG is everything let me rest on my pillow... Re: #somms What a weekend none, really Re: Religion and SG Fairfax video touch me #20 goes to... signature files Not SG Related...but... touch me Re[2]: Knights of the Sound table Hype! meeting All Apologies Re: touch me Re: Re[2]: Knights of the Sound table Re: Re[2]: Knights of the Sound table #somms Re: Re[2]: Knights of the Sound table ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Alexandra Horwood Subject: Re: vote....maybe or maybe not At 09:06 PM 20/12/96 GMT, you wrote: >> Maybe we shouldnt vote for Seth's page cuz then everybody and their dog >>will come here....all those not-nearly-as-into-SG-as-we-are people however >>many that is...all the 15 year olds > >What's up with this statement? Why is everyone against prejudice against >people under 20? I'm 14, and I love SG and I have a right to be on this >mailinglist just as much as anyone else. That's a total stereotype? Am I >the youngest on this list? Teenagers come out of lurk mode! YES!!! I'm here! Sweet 16 and proud of it...I have been an SG 'fan' for um about 4 or 5 years and that is longer than most 'old' people I know. Also I am more serious about music than ANYONE I know, maybe too serious but my age has NEVER been a factor in music. Okay I'll shut up now. ------------------------------ From: Alexandra Horwood Subject: Re: #somms At 03:34 AM 21/12/96 -0600, you wrote: >It's 3:40 CST, but that shouldn't stop people from joining Chris and >myself in #somms. >Geoff WHICH SERVER??? I have been on Undernet, EFnet and DALnet HEAPS of times, I open #soundgarden and #somms all the time and NO ONE EVER COMES IN!!!! Well I will take the initiative... mpx.sydney.oz.org :) If ne1 comes...look for X-Grrl :) Alex ------------------------------ From: psyche Subject: another Seattle review Here's a review I found when browsing the web today. It's taken from the Requestline page (www.requestline.com). - ------------------------------------ SOUNDGARDEN Mercer Arena Seattle December 17, 1996 What a difference a week can make. Seven days ago, less than two hours before showtime, Soundgarden's two sold-out Seattle shows were abruptly cancelled and re-scheduled for this week. Singer Chris Cornell had laryngitis. And what a difference three months on the road can make. Last summer Soundgarden kicked off their "Down On the Upside" tour with a rough warm up at a thoroughly sold-out Seattle club. Following a worldwide tour, it was a precise, unusually animated band that returned. An ear piercing "Spoonman" opened the show, complete with Artis the Spoonman, the Seattle street artist who inspired the song. "We only play this song with Artis here in Seattle. This is your song," said Cornell. The crowd, a quivering wave of jello spread out at Soundgarden's feet, already presumed that every song was their song. And this was their band. Few cared about making two trips for one show. Most fans were more concerned that Cornell take care of his voice. If there had been anything wrong with his larynx a week ago, there was no sign of it now. Cornell is often accused of "just standing there." Yeah, he stood there. Singing his soul out, smashing out guitar chords, complimenting guitarist Kim Thayil's wah-wah noodling and chunky riffing. The nod-to-punk song "Ty Cobb" saw Cornell prowling the stage, freed of his guitar and fervently spitting out the words. Cornell performed "Black Hole Sun" solo, which brought some calm. But hell, it was the home team playing a Christmas show, no one was about to sit down. The sexy strut of "Outshined" and a gloriously brutal "Rusty Cage" turned the jello crowd into a scary, rib-crushing menace. No one complained, and the words to "My Wave" rang out: "Keep it off my wave." - -- Linda Laban - -------------------------------------- One more thing; I can't remember where I first heard about this, but I'm hoping Seattle sommsters know what I'm talking about. Is it true Chris dedicated 'Head Down' to Bruce Silver (Susan's father, I think) and that towards the end of the song he said somthing like: 'I'm sorry Susan... I tried' ? If so, why did he dedicate the song to him? sorry about all the questions.... I'm just curious :) oh, and here's something Chris said during that show (taken from the paper): "This is a pretty nice place isn't it? But maybe all the Seattle bands should refuse to play Seattle anymore until we get a new fancy arena. Maybe we should extort the city council, get them to tax all of you so we can build us a new stadium! How 'bout that? If they don't give us the money, we'll all move to Pittsburgh." sabrina ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Re: Outshined If the videos are so similar I wonder why Soundgarden always make rude comments about the chains one and prefer the poly one!? I'm sure they said they hated it because it made them look like a heavy metal band. Must have been be the chains I guess ;-) UKDeb Geoff wrote: > But as mentioned, the videos are quite similar. stella wrote: > > I saw that first Outshined video. To me its the same thing as the > one released except it doesn't have the guy running around in > a big hamster wheel. > ------------------------------ Subject: age is nothing. SG is everything From: art.underwood@compudata.com (ART UNDERWOOD) I know this is probably already been dropped for a few days now but this just made me mad. Someone made a commemt about 15year old SG fan wanna-be's joining the list for just joining the list. Well I'm 15(almost 16) and I absolutly worship SG. I've only been on this list for about 2 months now but nothing would ever make me quit it. I've meet some great people and learned things about the band I would have never known. I don't want this little age issue to drag on but reading that message made me fourious. DAVE MILLER- Yeah I'm here. I thought I was the only teen around here. Glad I'm not. peace/love/SG *~PAM~* ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: let me rest on my pillow... guys, i'm WAY confused as to how to tune my guitar up? down? for the FCFACF tuning needed to play seasons. can anybody help me out on this? i tried to do it last night and ended up almost chucking my poor guitar across the room. = ( help! = ) mind riot ____ "it's a feeling that everyone gets. you're happy with your life, everything's going well, things are exciting-- when all of a sudden you realize you're unhappy in the extreme, to the point of being really, really scared. there's no particaular event you can pin the feeling down to, it's just that you realize one day that everything in your life is FUCKED!!" hello, don't you know me, i'm the dirt beneath your feet...i'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind...sleep tight for me... ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: #somms On the undernet server. There aren't alot of people who go on alot. You have to hang out there for a while ususally to see someone there. Usually there are a few of us there at night though. Ciao, Geoff Alexandra Horwood wrote: > > At 03:34 AM 21/12/96 -0600, you wrote: > >It's 3:40 CST, but that shouldn't stop people from joining Chris and > >myself in #somms. > >Geoff > > WHICH SERVER??? I have been on Undernet, EFnet and DALnet HEAPS of times, I > open #soundgarden and #somms all the time and NO ONE EVER COMES IN!!!! > Well I will take the initiative... mpx.sydney.oz.org :) If ne1 comes...look > for X-Grrl :) > > Alex ------------------------------ From: Mike Lecocke Subject: What a weekend Hell-o SOMMSters. Well, I thought things couldn't get any better than yesterday, but they did. See, yesterday I went to a used cd place where I picked up Stolen Prayers.(Awesome cd. Fluttergirl definitely tops my favorites list.) ha. Then I went to a different location and found the one and only Fresh Deadly Rarities. WOW! I'm tellin' ya...although I am now stone-cold broke, it doesn't get much better than this. Unless of course you have Chris and Dave in a hot tub with room for one more, right Shroom? :) Later, Margret PS-I know this has been asked before, but who is singing with Chris on "Touch Me"? I'm dying to know... ------------------------------ From: SJordet@aol.com Subject: none, really Get this: This has a little to do with whether or not Soundgarden be a religious band. I'm thinking about what "Slaves & Bulldozers" means, and I'm especially pertaining to the Motorvision version - where he (Chris) adds an extra minute or two of "Jesus, he's my friend, and I love Him." The original lyrics, they're sayings, basically. "Buying lies & stealing jokes"..., "virgin eyes and dirty looks." Well, "Jesus, he's my friend, and I love Him," is a bit of a saying for religious people. You think, maybe? I'm not sure, tell me if this has any thread attached to reality. Oh, and my vote for the stand in in the BIMH video is Ben (but then again isn't that my answer for everything - Ben). No, Matt's hair didn't look right under the jet, but Ben didn't look quite right throughout the video (sick, heat exhausted - dehydration, I'm guessing, every picture I saw of him when they were shooting the video he had a receptacle of liquid in his big, bony hands.) He's so damn pale and fragile-looking in the first place. And one last thing about the video, what was a single dead fish doing in the middle of the desert? signed, Benlover (Sarah) ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: Re: Religion and SG On Sat, 21 Dec 1996, Billy wrote: > A lot of Soundgraden's songs have religion and jesus and crap in 'em. I > was wondering what they think of teh church and all that. I'll take any > answer cause I'm not religous at all. Through interviews and lyrics it is safe to say that Chris,at least,isn't into religion at all. In an old Request magazine article, Chris, when asked about if he follows any kind of religion, said something to the effect that people who believe in religion are fish..and he didn't want to be a fish. In SG lyrics, the best example I can find regarding this are the lyrics to "Blind Dogs" off of the Basketball Diaries soundtrack. Hope this helped. vincent -btw, is Blind Dogs available anywhere else besides the BD soundtrack?- ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: Fairfax video I got the SG Fairfax show in the mail yesterday from WeatherMan Records and I had to wait only two days. Anyway, to everyone out there, *get* this tape. Going in, I was skeptical as hell but man, it is awesome. The sound is excellent and the camera angles are great and there are *no* obstacles at all. You can see Chris and company *very* clearly. Granted I haven't seen the whole thing yet..only up to Helter Skelter before I had to take off for work. But take it from me, this tape is highly recommended. Do yourself a favor and get this tape if at all possible. It literally blew my mind away. It *is* worth it people. - -vincent ------------------------------ From: jax00@ix.netcom.com (Jacqueline Franco) Subject: touch me enlighten me please of this song thankx ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: #20 goes to... More specifically, the SFW soundtrack goes to Vincent Varkey and the You Am I cd goes to Amber/Skyvista. So I got behind a little, sue me. I picked up the BUtOW single with the Moby remix of Dusty. I am glad to say I like it, since forking out $10 for one fucking track is a bit excessive. Anyway, the beginning is pretty funny, with Chris sounding like a monk while the music has the swanky groove of a porn soundtrack.:) It is an interesting treatment of one of my favorite DotU tracks. Eric ------------------------------ Subject: signature files From: seth this is just for our collective convenience... if you've noticed that your mail signature is as long or longer than the actual text of your messages, *please* cut it down. i won't point the finger at anyone in particular, but there are some sigs out there that are getting way out of hand... :) thanks. looking forward to getting back to school, seth ps - #somms. now. ------------------------------ From: iawake@ix.netcom.com (Chris (SGardnGrl)) Subject: Not SG Related...but... May every Sommster....HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! This means you too.... CHRIS, MATT, BEN, AND KIM !!!! ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: touch me Jacqueline Franco wrote: >enlighten me > >please > >of this song > well, it just some cheesy duet that chris and this girl Stephanie Barber recorded. my guess is it was either *supposed* to sound raunchy and they fucked up, or it's just a really bad joke. = ) mind riot ____ "it's a feeling that everyone gets. you're happy with your life, everything's going well, things are exciting-- when all of a sudden you realize you're unhappy in the extreme, to the point of being really, really scared. there's no particaular event you can pin the feeling down to, it's just that you realize one day that everything in your life is FUCKED!!" hello, don't you know me, i'm the dirt beneath your feet...i'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind...sleep tight for me... ------------------------------ From: Brian_Lew@iacnet.com Subject: Re[2]: Knights of the Sound table I'm also a big Metallica fan, and their fan club is the best organization you will find anywhere. It's run by their former tour manager and his wife (with a staff of 3 or 4 others) and while the annual fee is high compared to other "fan clubs" ($40) I think you get your money's worth. With KOTS, the $12 probably just covers the cost of staff payroll, production, printing, and postage of the newsletters they send out every so often. With Metallica's club they send out 5 glossy magazines a year (usually 40+ pages), have an official web site with areas that are only accessible by club members (with their ID number), and always have special fan club offers - Earlier this year they played 3 fan club only club shows, two of which were in a 400 seat club in San Francisco (an amazing two nights I might add) and another in Toronto (they also played one in '95 in London). Also, last year (and this year) they're offering a Fan Can to members only - Last year's can contained a road crew shirt, an hour long video with footage of the band in the studio, at home, and hanging out with members of the club who won a contest to visit S.F. (they were taken to the studio, out to dinner, Lars Ulrich's house, etc etc), AND an hour long CD of studio outtakes and goofing around. All these goodies (plus a bottle opener) came in a custom designed paint can. The can was offered to members for $30 (inc. delivery), which was basically the cost of making the whole package. Also, for the past three tours they've offered tickets thru the club and for reserved shows the first 10 rows are set aside for members.. They also have a system to make sure all members get at least one backstage pass for a show they attend. The bottom line is, if a band *really* wants to get a fan club going it can be done... but the logistics of organizing and maintaining something like this (especially with a band as popular as Soundgarden) is NOT an easy or inexpensive venture. The upside of having fans run a "fan" club is they have the passion, but the upside of having a band and/or their organization run it is they have the money, staff, etc. to run it in an efficient and timely manner. However they may not have the time to do this either. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re:Knights of the Sound table Author: oponfam@cnsnet.com at SMTPGATE Date: 12/20/96 11:08 PM I don't know about you people who have been in the fan club over the past few years, but I certainly never saw the fan club as terribly active or consistent as far as mailings or anything. And aren't fan clubs usually started and maintained by "fans"? I felt like her response was pretty patronizing. Any thoughts? ------------------------------ From: gwm@starnetinc.com Subject: Hype! meeting Hey, I'm sorry to post this to the whole list, but there are a lot of people on this list from around Chicago. I just wanted to know if we're going to get a meeting going for Hype! in January, or am I all by myself? Come on, I know everyone wants to see it! Dave Miller ********************************************* *I like to trade bootlegs. * *Check out my Pearl Jam homepage at: * *http://pwp.starnetinc.com/gwm/pearl.htm * *You can find my bootlist there * *PEARL JAM AND SOUNDGARDEN RULE! * ********************************************* ------------------------------ From: Slave4cc@aol.com Subject: All Apologies My apologies to all the COOL 14,15 year olds who know what they are talking about when it comes to this band, Soundgarden. I am surely not the oldest tho. My statement was worded badly. It doesnt matter to me how old you are, or how long you've liked something (SG)...it only matters how much sincerity you put into it. And possibly the attention the page will get when it wins, will draw the attention of many many many people who will come and the somms letter will be 50 pages long but hey, its a free internet. What the hell am I trying to say? Merry merry Christmas. p.s. I noticed Chris is wearing ear plugs in almost every photo in the calender....otherwise, he would no doubt be deaf by now. cool job, but hard on the ears...:) Christmas Carol ------------------------------ Subject: Re: touch me From: seth > well, it just some cheesy duet that chris and this girl Stephanie > Barber recorded. my guess is it was > either *supposed* to sound raunchy and they fucked up, or it's just a > really bad joke. = ) if this isn't in the faq, it should be ... stephanie barber is the wife of bruce fairweather (of mother love bone, green river, and love battery fame); they were both in the studio on the day kim was recording his part of the song, and someone decided that stephanie should get up and sing the vocals, even though she had never sung before -- it was a surprise for chris, who came in the next day to record his part. seth ------------------------------ From: Josh_Garza@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Josh Garza) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Knights of the Sound table that is pretty impressive about the Metallica club. all i remember is an interview with Kim when he said that they really should do more for the fan club but they keep finding themselves busy. Having KOTS come close to metallica's club would definately be something cool, but unlikely, but i wouldn't be surprised if KOTS just gets better next year............(hopefully). - -pencapchew - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Re[2]: Knights of the Sound table At 11:27 AM 12/23/96 -0800, Brian_Lew@iacnet.com wrote: > The bottom line is, if a band *really* wants to get a fan club > going it can be done... but the logistics of organizing and > maintaining something like this (especially with a band as > popular as Soundgarden) is NOT an easy or inexpensive venture. > The upside of having fans run a "fan" club is they have the > passion, but the upside of having a band and/or their > organization run it is they have the money, staff, etc. to run it > in an efficient and timely manner. However they may not have the > time to do this either. i think you've hit the nail right on the head, there. there have been examples of fan-run fan clubs doing well, but for the most part the problem is this: they don't get paid for it, they have to have another full-time job, so one is going to suffer. also, even if it's someone that the management trusts, who knows what can happen with all that money? aaron, wasn't it RATM's fan club where the guy took the $$ and vanished? i've also heard about metallica's fan club. for $35 you get a fucking hell of a lot imo! personally i wouldn't mind paying more if i GOT more. a price like that is not outrageous -- it's birthday money or christmas money - -- and it'll keep out people who just want to take advantage of stuff like free or special tickets. i dunno, if it's an official fan club, i kind of look at it as an investment: you pays your money and you takes your chances. with kots, i like that it's a one-time fee but that i could send it in yearly if i wanted the new info packet. the fact that i can buy merchandise from them for a *significant* discount makes it worth it for me. with pearl jam, it was $5 (going up to $10 in 1997) but you h ad to remember when it expired or you were toast . but even at just $5, in 1994 i know they had 80,000 people in the fan club. *you* do the math! and i know the fan club was self-sustaining, e.g., there was no profit involved nor did any money come from the band. even given that, i don't understand why they are 1) so obnoxious to fans or 2) unable to get things out on time. r.e.m.'s fan club has been like $10 or so forever, in the beginning you got these irregularly distributed funky little xeroxed newsletters, and some kind of xmas mailing. they were way neat and i kind of prefer them to what they evolved into: now you get nicely formatted and printed monthly newsletters (yes, *monthly*). they also always have a christmas single and that alone makes it worth the money to join. they don't do the ticket thing, though. i think KOTS is starting to get its act together. i can understand why they prefer to run things out of their offices -- that way they know exactly what's going on and who's saying what. yes, fan clubs are for fans, and they used to be run by fans, but in the 90's, no matter how pure the original intention (pearl jam worked that damn MLB fan club mailing list to promote themselves in the early days), it is in the end a carefully qualified list of targeted consumers -- which is worth megabucks. i hope sg can put some focus on what they want KOTS to do -- hopefully it'll be what we want it to do -- and make the effort a little more focused and less random. i found the phone card really funny, considering that over two years ago, i came up with the same plan for quite a few bands and the company i worked for marketed it around -- no one was interested at the time. ;-) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: #somms tonight's topic: what does chris cornell want for christmas? discuss. avoid those annoying holiday gatherings -- join us on the undernet. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Knights of the Sound table Yes, in answer to Caryn's question. RATM's old fan-club operator took a shitload of money and is now living the good life in the South Pacific. It took a couple years for everything to be reorganized. ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 338] ****************************************