From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 29 Nov 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 21:40:06 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Friday, 29 Nov 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Del Mar SOMMSFEST Re: I'll take my secrets to the grave... Re: Slash and SG another stupid bim opens her yap Re: I'll take my secrets to the grave... b-day SG tickets in Seattle Happy Birthday / Turkey day Re: SG tickets in Seattle legendary SG! =) <~~~ biggest & happiest smile in the world Hey, all you Turkeys!!!! Happy Holidays I almost started laughing... Happy 34th to MATT I MET SOUNDGARDEN!/Matt says 'HI'.. heh AUSTIN: hope SG liked it here-Concert Review Shroom's awesome experience I caught the moon today... Re: I caught the moon today... ...and my big brother's pants 1- Houston show =) 2- Austin... the show. 3- Austin... Mark, Ben, and Kim. 4- Austin... meeting Chris. 5- Austin... Matt and Ben. The end! SG in LA, meeting point? RE: houston (long post, but worth it IMHO) soundgarden`s shows Shrooms adventures.... all my friends are brown and red... Shroom in paradise... *sigh* sgstuff New Friends Re: sgstuff Re: sgstuff RE: I caught the moon today... ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Gene Candelaria Subject: Del Mar SOMMSFEST Callin' all SO CAL SOMMSTERS. The official unofficial Del Mar (San Diego) SOMMSFEST will soon be happenin'! Come down and join our tribe in the beautiful seaside city of Del Mar, California, as these eager and excited Soundgarden fans break their rusty chains and run! Reservations Name: SOMMS Time: 4:30 Saturday, Nov 30 Place: Chevy's Mexican Restaurant 2730 Via Del Valle Del Mar, CA Between I-5 and PCH (before Jimmy Durante me thinks. Their phone:(619)793-8893.) Until Saturday then. Enjoy the L-tryptophan intake tomorrow! - -- ----- \___/ ----- ; > Gene Candelaria . . . . o o o o o _______ * _____ o |Del Mar| * ____==== ]OO|_n_n__][. |SOMMS| * [________]_|__|________)< | FEST| DOS dias! oo oo 'oo OOOO-| oo\\_ ~~~|~~~ +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ _____________________ ------------------------------ From: lee schoevers Subject: SoundGarden is finally coming to my country, They are playing at the Big Day Out, over here in New Zealand.About bludy time. And I just discovered that you can get a Soundgarden album before superunknown as well in NZ, jeez we are behind ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: Re: I'll take my secrets to the grave... At 09:49 AM 11/28/96 +1000, you wrote: > I was wondering about this very thing the other day, jeremy. does >dotu really stand out as one of the best releases of the year? my liking >of the record seems to move in cycles, and at the moment I'm kind of >apathetic about the album as a whole. it certainly doesn't stand up to the >power of aenima. i have a *really* hard time with this comparison...in fact i think it is an unfair one..first of all, tool and SG are totally different bands...second, how can anyone determine a "best"??? music is a personal taste...i know lots of people who think Garth Brooks' latest is one of the best albums of the year (hi geoff n steve ;-) Are they wrong? NO - for them it is best....There are people who cannot deal with Tool at all, but love SG...DOTU happens to be one of my 'favorite' albums of the year, but i would not make compare it to a totally different band..... It concerns me to hear that anger and power make an album "better" - sure, DOTU may be softer...albums like Jar of Flies may be softer...but the intensity of emotion is there...it does not have to be head banging and bitter to be good or powerful...i think the beauty of DOTU is tremendously powerful....there is enough anger in the world. I am not knocking Tool in any which way...in fact I saw them live 2 weeks ago and I was totally blown away...BUT i do not think that their anger is "better" than SG's beauty and emotion, just different. in a venting mood- eliza ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I walk these streets alone, shadows hide my face My sins are etched in stone, never to erase My fears unshakeable, if I could believe I'd trade these wings of gold, for what I really need - --CC I really only had a few things They've all turned to tears One tried to kill me The other kept me here I'm still here... - --God Lives Underwater ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: Re: Slash and SG >On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Nevin wrote: >> Didn't GNR cover Big Dumb Sex. I think it was on "The Spaghetti >> Incident". Doesn't answer your question, but just thought I'd post :) >> >> -Nevin "BDS" got mixed in with a version of "Buick Makane" on Spaghetti... and according to Chris, "I think they ran out of people involved with mass murders who wrote songs, so the next step was us." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I walk these streets alone, shadows hide my face My sins are etched in stone, never to erase My fears unshakeable, if I could believe I'd trade these wings of gold, for what I really need - --CC I really only had a few things They've all turned to tears One tried to kill me The other kept me here I'm still here... - --God Lives Underwater ------------------------------ From: tealyf@ix.netcom.com (*.*) Subject: another stupid bim opens her yap Well, Alison Stewart, there's another brain for our times. I thought her job was to ask President Clinton softball questions, not to be a music critic. She's another reason MTV should be permanently scrambled. Has MTV ever employed a veejay or reporter who wasn't hard on the eyes and completely obtuse? Jeez. Cindy Crawford was really vapid, but at least she was nice to look at ... but Alison Stewart, who needs her and her cellulite-ridden caboose polluting the airwaves? Or polluting whatever magazine she "contributes" to, fer chrissakes. Hey Alison, I hear there's an opening at NME. They recruit the poorly-informed, so they oughta like your credentials. Guh! (Mm, I suppose I should entertain the possiblity that the article was written by a different Alison Stewart before I spout off, but ...) Tealy, Son of Richard "MTV is My Main Source For New Music" - title of a song by Boston h.c. band A**l C**t ------------------------------ From: DeeDee Bradshaw-Autry Subject: Re: I'll take my secrets to the grave... <<>It concerns me to hear that anger and power make an album "better">> i think in terms of an album being "angry" that it is a matter of where you are at a given point in your life...not that angry means better, but that the anger in the music allows you to release whatever anger or aggressions you may be feeling at the time...for me DOTU does not fit the *mood* of my life at this time...not that i am angry or bitter necessarily, but i definitely have a degree of emotion in my life not reflected in DOTU...i think for many if not all of us, our love of music is fueled by how it effects us in our day-to-day existance... <> and if an albums anger allows us to constructively lose some of that anger then i think the workd is all the better off for it... DeeDee..."It's not enough, I need more...nothing seems to satisfy...I don't want it, I just need it...to breath to feel...to know I'm alive" TOOL ******************************************************************************** Dee Dee Bradshaw-Autry "Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing..." TOOL "This is what it looks like, this is what is feels like, this is what it tastes like...this is what you've done to me..." Stabbing Westward "Be careful with me...I am fragile. Im a bitch babe...and Im on fire" Garbage http://www.infochase.com/ent/deedee/index.html ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: cgoodman@maine.com (Carole Goodman) Subject: b-day Matt happy birthday and everyone else happy turkey day Ivy ------------------------------ Subject: SG tickets in Seattle From: nadia Is anyone buying tickets to the Seattle shows that are going to be realesed this Saterday morning??????? I work, so I would GREATLY appericiate it if someone would get me a few. I am really, really desperate. So if you want to help, please email me privatly soon! - -nadia@novaproj.org PS. does anyone know if they're gonna be GA seats? ++++++==============================================================+++++++ "The sun is out, the sky is blue, and Chris Cornell is smiling like a Cheshire Cat who has just discovered it can lick its own testicles." ++++++==============================================================+++++++ ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: Happy Birthday / Turkey day Only 2 more days until Soundgarden comes to San Diego.... And I can't wait!!!! Well its now after midnight here...So I thought it only fitting to send Birthday Wishes to Matt... and to wish EVERYONE a Happy Turkey Day!!! Gobble Gobble Gobble..... Dena :)~ BSG and SSP ------------------------------ From: Heikki Karjalainen Subject: Re: SG tickets in Seattle If anyone could tell me how is like to be at soundgardens concert (feeling, music etc.) because i live in a small town in finland with all the mf. jerks so .. maybe I cant see em ever playing live even they`ve been here in finland twice! R.S.V.P. Heka23 .... ************************************** * Heikki Karjalainen * * Heka23@rhea.otol.fi * * * * Laanila 2C 35 * * 90650 Oulu * * PUH:08-5363904 * * * * "Why I Like The Robins by HUM" * * "So hand me The Glasses, Teach me * * to use them, Show me the window * * I Wanna Look Too " by HUM * ************************************** ------------------------------ From: psyche Subject: legendary SG! Haven't posted in a while, 'cos I've been pretty sick with the flu as well, but today I felt my active self again, so I decided to explore my pc once again. Well, I'm sure some of you have or have heard of Encarta (that encyclopedia thing). I've had this program for more than a year, but I never really bothered using it until today. So while I was browsing it (those who have it will know what I'm getting at) I stumbled onto the page for "rock music". Encarta has all these pics, videos and sound clips, and wedged between an Elvis Costello and a Little Richard soundclip was.........yes Soundgarden!!!! I was so surprised, b/c I didn't expect SG to be there with the so-called legends, but it was really cool they were. And might I add, they were the only "newer" (post-eighties) band with a soundclip there The soundclip is an excerpt from "Nothing to Say" with the following caption: "One of the first bands to define the "grunge" sound, Soundgarden recorded "Nothing to Say" in 1987. A fixture in music clubs in Seattle, Washington during the late 1980s the group led the way to major record label signings for other Seattle groups, including Nirvana and Pearl Jam. SG's music, especially its vocal style, shows a clear influence from hard rock. While the group's lyrics have been typecast as dark and gloomy, the band's international popularity attests to SG's relevance among contemporaries." I think it's great they chose NTS for the clip......I mean most companies would have put BHS up there........maybe Bill Gates is a SG fan :) hmmm.....and does this mean SG is now considered a legendary band? (well, we always knew) :) that's all for now...... wait!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY MATT!!!!!!!! and hope you all have a great thanksgiving!! ok, now I'll go :) sabrina ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: =) <~~~ biggest & happiest smile in the world Well kiddies... I'm home from my two Texas shows. Thanks to everyone who wrote to wish me well on my SG adventures!! =) I'll post ALL about them tomorrow after I get off work. But I just wanted to let y'all share my happiness tonight... some highlights from Shroomfest '96: - - Met Pablo from the list at the Houston show... one of the NICEST guys ever!! - - Had an EXCELLENT view during the Houston show (I actually found a neutral area up front to stand with minimal moshing... go me!) - - Saw Matt play JCP both nights. (awesome!!) - - Got a SG pick at the Houston show. - - Hung around after the Houston show and met Matt (again) and Kim after the show, and got autographs. - - Matt KNEW WHO I WAS!! He was signing autographs and talking to people... and I said to him "Why aren't you wearing yours SOMMS hat?" He looked at me, gave me the most friendly smile I've ever seen, and said "Hey Shroom!! How are you?" I was completely stunned that he remembered me... so I said "Whaaaat?" He looked at me closer and said "You ARE Shroom, right??" I was like "Yeah! You remember me!" He says "Yeah!" (*Much* more on this tomorrow!) - - Got to the Austin show an hour and a half early to make sure I had a good place to stand again. Got *RIGHT* against the barricade in front of Ben for the whole show. *PERFECT* view of the whole band, and very very little squishing. PERFECT spot to watch EVERYONE! I could even see Matt without him being blocked by his kit. Made eye contact with Kim, Ben, and Chris. (Stuck my tongue out at Chris.) - - Saw Brian (Neuromute) at the show... although unfortunately only for a few minutes. He said hi while SG was playing... and I couldn't find him after the show. *** Hung around after the show, and made buddies with Mark (SG's sound man). Drank a couple beers and talked with him on the roadies bus, and then he took me INTO SG's dressing room (where we munched on various vegetables and chips thanks to a MASSIVE spread laid out by the caterers). There he introduced me to Ben (he remembered me from the Hater show!), Kim (he told me I had beautiful eyes and he even signed "Nice eyes" on my DOTU cover!), and CHRIS. =) =) =) Can't wait to tell everyone about the Chris encounter!! - - Wished Matt a happy birthday (since it was after midnight). - - Got invited to go drinking at a bar by Ben (but we didn't get to go, because it was late and they had to leave. Ben was not pleased by that.) =) Oh yeah, and talked to Ben about the Hater show. Awesome!! He asked me "Were you with those girls at the front of the stage??" Me: "Uh, no... I was behind them." =) Well, it's the truth... I was behind everyone. =))) - - Got hugs from Ben, Kim, and CHRIS! (Oh my oh my oh my... all details tomorrow!) Ok kiddies... I've got to pass out now, but I promise a full report tomorrow. These have been THE most INCREDIBLE two days of my life. I can't even begin to describe how ecstatic I am right now. I imagine this must be how the Chicago SOMMSters must have felt. Soundgarden are the nicest, and most admirable people I've ever encountered in my whole life. More later... =) =) =) Shroom "Hey... you're the girl who stuck her tongue out at me during the show!! That wasn't very nice!! " ~ Chris Cornell "I'm computer illiterate!" ~ Matt Cameron "You have really beautiful eyes..." ~ Kim Thayil "Hey c'mon!! We're going to a bar!" ~ Ben Shepherd "(Chris/Ben/Kim) this is Shroom, your most respectable fan." ~ Mark (Whoah! What a title, huh?!?) ------------------------------ From: tonerkin Subject: Hey, all you Turkeys!!!! You Americans, that is!! To the rest of the world excuse us for celebrating our most gluttonous holiday!! Happy Thanksgivng!!! Let's count our blessing today...Chris, Ben(OOOHHHH!! ... is he a blessing or a curse I guess it depends on what end of the spittle one is!) Kim and Matt!! And so the rest of you don't feel left out. Mrs Cameron obliged you and had a son on this date!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY MATT!! toni ------------------------------ Subject: Happy Holidays From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) Yes, it is I the SOMMs Mom back from the land of the "Star Germs". Thanks you Mr. Cornell meeting you was a treat but next time don't share the germs... :-) To all you American's Happy Thanksgiving Day!! To Matt Happy Birthday many more to a very sweet guy!! To all other I just hope your day is filled with joy and happiness (God aren't I mushy)... Now I'm off to make the gravy and eat turkey until I'm just as stuffed as it was.. Jamie (Village Idiot/SOMMs Mom) Only 19 days until heaven!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Jack Parsons" Subject: I almost started laughing... Hey guys, Has anyone else paid any attention or even noticed the harmonica at the very end of Incessant Mace?? After he says, "MACE!" the last time there is a little miny harmonica solo/ending... Less than $0.02, Jonathan "Corraled like a cat with my head in a sack, and I feel like I'm tied to your railroad track." "Make no mistakes, I am what you make me." ------------------------------ From: FrkShow911@aol.com Subject: Happy 34th to MATT I'd like to take this time and some white on your screen to wish my drumming idol, who by the way plays Zildjian cymbals, Ayotte custom drums, Vic Firth sticks, Remo heads, Drum Workshop hardware, Electrovoice microphones; a happy 34th birthday!!! ----Al Kim (FrkShow911@aol.com) -----The movement for complete commercialization of this list has begun : ) ------------------------------ From: Josh_Garza@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Josh Garza) Subject: I MET SOUNDGARDEN!/Matt says 'HI'.. heh well i just found out that shroom obviously had a much better experience at the Austin show but still this was the most amazing night of my life. mainly because i actually got to have a couple small conversations with Matt and Kim and it was the best concert i have ever been too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! instead of filling up this message with !!!!!!! i'll keep this kindof simple although i could go on and on and on and on..soo ecstatic. soundgarden is just the nicest band. well sitting here in my new JCP shirt, i'll start about wat happened after the concert. me and a friend were about to leave but then decided to wait near the buses for a while. well an hour passed in the cold cold weather and finally got to move up right in front of where they were exiting. only about 20 of us waiting to get autographs, all kool people cept one guy had literally a hundred things he was planning to get signed and im pretty sure he wasn't gonna keep them all for sentimental value. this is at about midnight and i'm shivering and then some of the very very very very lucky people that got to meet them backstage or in the dressing room or whatever started leaving and about four people were talking in a group a little off to the side. they were out of the light and i swore that this guy looked like Matt, and then all of a sudden i moved a little up and it WAS Matt. but he was in a conversation so i definately and noone else of course was gonna bother him. but everyone was watching the doorway and all of a sudden here comes Kim and then Chris. Kim is THE MAN. he's basically just a kool guy. i noticed he was wearing a NOFX shirt instead of the famous and very old TOOL shirt he was wearing during the show. well as soon as he came out he started signing some guy's poster and then my ticket. and after Chris hugged -i think it was- mr. lifto or whoever lifts all that stuff with his body parts, he started signing and got my ticket signed by him right after getting it from kim. i then had to shake kim's hand, which i did, and then he started talking to me how he doesn't like signing shirts becuz its definately not an easy thing to sign. i couldn't even really speak cuz i couldn't believe that he was actually looking at me and talking to me for a while. ( he did sign my shirt anyway though, heh). did i mention how nice soundgardne is? I didn't get to shake Chris' hand or anything because he basically he just moved down the line signing everyone's autographs and he had the most people around him and then went into the bus. he was really nice to but didn't get to talk to him or even really see his face, the only thing i heard him say was he quietly said 'sure' when someone asked if he would sign something. i didn't even see Ben, but apparently he just went straight into the bus. so after my encounter with kim and probably a huge goofy smile stuck on my face i moved away and a closer to Matt. i was like the only one there with matt with my friend. and the couple people he was talking to were leaving and i just surprised myself and called out to Matt and we just started talking! oo another cheesy -!- owell. but then i brought up the great and wonderful SOMMS List and he was like 'cool' and he really cared about it too. well the two main things out of that conversation was that MATT SAYS HI to the SOMMS List and that he told me how computer illiterate he was too, shroom! something like " I posted to it once, or at least /tried/ but I'm so computer illiterate." after a while i got him to sign my ticket and then i shook his hand and said nice to meet you and slowly walked away like i was walking in a dream.. BUT i forgot to wish him HappY BirthDay. (smacking himself for forgetting still). it was about 12:30 am then too. i also found out then that Chris and Kim had walked out front at about 6 and signed autographs for the few people in the beginning of the line. How nice are these guys? ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this was definately one of the koolest thing that's happened to me... "Keep postin" - Matt Cameron - -pencapchew - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Josh_Garza@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Josh Garza) Subject: AUSTIN: hope SG liked it here-Concert Review I'm gonna try to remember everything, but i got in there as soon as the doors opened with little waiting. and I am proud to say that I did meet one sommster, the only one I met, but it was very cool to meet you. after a long while Pond started playing, and i really can't say much about them cept that the last song they played was almost near decent. Rocket From The Crypt wasn't bad, they were um 'shiny' and stuff but didn't mind sitting through them. Isn't Austin great, noone really booed at all. by the time RFTC finished it seemed like an extra 2000 people had appeared. i gave up my position in the pit to look for someone and then it was packed when i got back. i had pushed in a some but still far from the stage and then as soon as sg came out and chris 'said' hey they started into spoonman and by the song's end only one person was in front of me. i was on the left side right in front of Kim the whole time and a couple times Chris and Kim were their right in front of me together and Ben came over for a while too. I got Chris's attention for a sec but not Kim's. when Ben came over to this side i really got eye contact with him and all that but his expression really didn't change. i doubt it did all night. he looked pissed but i'm guessing thats normal but he seemed really bored cuz for a while he just went halfway behind a stack of speaker cabinets and just leaned back on them playing like he was falling asleep or something. Kim was awesome, and he got into it a few times too. and he was doing a little dance with his guitar too during a song. heh. chris seemed in a pretty kool mood too, cept he started cussing out some dumbass who through ice at him or something. and i really didn't see any sign's of his laryngitis, his voice WAS AWESOME. i really couldn't see Matt during the show except when he came back after BHS and for the encore. One thing that sucked was the sound levels in the Music Hall, it just seemed Kim's guitar could have been a lot louder from where i was and i couldn't always make out what chris was saying. I liked the solo black hole sun because first of all i could hear his voice better and unfortunately there were many people that were there basically just to see black hole sun.. they were 'surprised' i guess. The song that i remember that sounded the best was Fell On Black Days. Blow UP the Outside world rocked too. My favorite besides FOBD would have to be at the end, after Dusty finished i just knew it was gonna be Jesus Christ Pose because of all the reviews on here and then Matt broke into the kickass drum intro... some other things i remember is how chris said 'its nice to be in the independent republic of texas' after the first three songs. and they had some other drummer sit in for Ty Cobb for some anniversary thing, i couldn't understand chris very well.. to sum it up, twas the best concert i've ever been to.. Set List: i tried and tried to remember the order but this is close at least.. Spoonman Searching With My Good Eye Closed Let Me Drown Pretty Noose Burden In My Hand My Wave Ty Cobb Black Hole Sun Outshined Rusty Cage Fell on Black Days Helter Skelter / Boot Camp Search & Destroy?? only one i couldn't recognize Hands All Over Slaves & Bulldozers <( i can't remember which of these) Blow Up the Outside World <(two was last before the encore) - -encore- Dusty Jesus Christ Pose I was able to guess almost every song they were about to play before they played it because of how similar it was to the Houston set list, thanx to whoever posted that. that's why i wasn't surprised they played Dusty but i REALLY wanted them to play No Attention.. owell, my ONLY complaint. all i can say is that i cannot wait to see them again, however far in the future that may be... - -pencapchew how would i knoww that this would be my fate.. i sure don't mind a change. - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: "stella" Subject: Shroom's awesome experience After reading those 5 posts from shroom, all I can say is WOW. It made me want to cry. Especially the part where you gave Chris your anklet! I was feeling it girlfriend. :) You pretty much lived out everyone's fantasy, Shroom! I can't wait to go see the show in LA. I don't even care if I get to meet them or whatever, just seeing them play and knowing how cool they are suits me plenty. BTW- what is SiCA? stella ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: I caught the moon today... On Thu, 28 Nov 1996, eliza wrote: > >dotu really stand out as one of the best releases of the year? my liking > i have a *really* hard time with this comparison...in fact i think it is an > unfair one..first of all, tool and SG are totally different bands...second, > how can anyone determine a "best"??? music is a personal taste...i know lots I think you misunderstood what I was saying, eliza. in asking that question, I was only trying gauge whether listers thought the record (_dotu_) was good in relation to all the other albums released this year, or whether the record was disappointing. I wasn't asking for definitive answers, blanket statements or right/wrong replies. I was asking for opinions based on the music released this year. I actually happen to think that comparison, if only for the sake of debate (which to me is a corner-stone of the somms list), can be a good measure when it isn't used in absolute terms, and has a lot to do with personal taste. perhaps 'best' wasn't the most appropriate word to use. maybe if you slide 'favourite' in there instead, it wouldn't be such a problem. > It concerns me to hear that anger and power make an album "better" - sure, > DOTU may be softer...albums like Jar of Flies may be softer...but the > intensity of emotion is there...it does not have to be head banging and > bitter to be good or powerful...i think the beauty of DOTU is tremendously > powerful....there is enough anger in the world. I'm not sure where you read the word 'anger' into my post, but I certainly do stand by the term 'power'. to me tool's _aenima_ is more powerful than just about anything on _dotu_, and being powerful is what music is all about (imho). as for anger, well...if I thought anger was the most crucial element to an album's worthiness, then I would spend my time listening to pantera and nine inch nails. I think that the element of power seems to be missing from _dotu_, especially in comparison to both superunknown and badmotorfinger. I'll admit that some of the songs are great, and are certainly well worth listening to. but rather than the masterful albums of the past, _dotu_ is at times just a collection of songs; there are a good portion of songs that really don't leave me panting for more. the power and majest of bmf and superunk are only hinted at, and while new sounds have been explored on the record, it doesn't move me the same way the other two do. as for _aenima_, tool have expanded their scope and made some truly remarkable music on their latest record. in fact, even though dotu has been out for half a year to _aenima's_ two months, I think I have actually listened to _aenima_ more times in total. for me it is a better album. yes it is different to dotu. is it the best? I don't know. but at the moment it sure beats dotu. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: Re: I caught the moon today... At 12:45 PM 11/29/96 +1000, you wrote: > I think you misunderstood what I was saying, eliza. in asking that >question, I was only trying gauge whether listers thought the record >(_dotu_) was good in relation to all the other albums released this year, >or whether the record was disappointing. I may have, or i may have just overreacted...(I said as I signed off that I was venting last night)....this comparison touched a chord in me - i just have a difficult time with music being liked more or thought of as better because it is more harsh....i experienced this at the Tool show recently - i was wearing an SG shirt and got some crap for it, so the comments did hit a nerve of sorts...sorry if i misunderstood... > I'm not sure where you read the word 'anger' into my post, but I >certainly do stand by the term 'power'. to me tool's _aenima_ is more >powerful than just about anything on _dotu_, and being powerful is what >music is all about (imho). Sorry Justin...i was not specifically responding to your post, but to the thread as a whole (which i still think is interesting) - the anger reference was not from your post, it was from the one below: On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu wrote: > IMHO, the new tool cd towers over anything released this year, and that > includes "down on the upside." It just seems to me that some of > soundgarden's music has lost that edge. While on the other hand, tool has > gone even farther in wrapping anger w/ music.... "losing its edge" because they are less angry is what disturbed me... > I think that the element of power seems to be missing from _dotu_, >especially in comparison to both superunknown and badmotorfinger. And this is where I disagree. Though the songs may not stick in your head the way the others have, I think there is a depth of emotion on this album that I have never seen from them before. There are songs on DOTU that make me cry....I cannot say that about any other SG album to date. To me, that is powerful. Zero Chance, Tighter & Tighter, Boot Camp, to name a few .....BMF rocks harder, no doubt, but DoTU has more meaning to me. I have actually listened to aenima a bizzilion times, know every word and beat, thought they gave one of the most brilliant live performances i have *ever* seen and think the album is brilliant...this whole thread reminds me of a chat i had with steve a while back, about how five years ago in our lives, music from bands like tool and ministry, etc. really fit, but now it just doesnt anymore - i really think it is a very personal and individualistic thing. ok, i am done....(and P.S. sorry if my tone was a bit rude yesterday, that was not at all my intention..it has just been an exceptionally rough few days and i chose this as my venting spot..) hey, aren't ya glad we gave everyone something to read on this quiet turkey day? ciao- eliza ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I walk these streets alone, shadows hide my face My sins are etched in stone, never to erase My fears unshakeable, if I could believe I'd trade these wings of gold, for what I really need - --CC I really only had a few things They've all turned to tears One tried to kill me The other kept me here I'm still here... - --God Lives Underwater ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: ...and my big brother's pants news from brisbane music publication _time off_ which may or may not interest fellow australian and other listers on a slow november day: "soundgarden's show at festival hall with you am I (on january 22) is selling well. Sales have been put on hold until the band advise organisers of their exact stage setup - it is anticipated that a further 500 or so tickets will go on sale next week once all such details are finalised. stay tuned." maybe the blow-up animals and firing cannons are out this year? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: 1- Houston show =) Got to the International Ballroom at about 6:15pm. Like Amber, I almost couldn't find the damn place because I didn't know it was an old Safeway (grocery) store! The only reason I knew it was the right place was because there were like thirteen million people lined up out front. I parked and jumped into line. When I got inside, I grabbed a beer and scoped out the place. What a dive!! I liked it. ;-) Before long, a guy approached me and asked if I was Shroom. It was Pablo from the list!! Wow!! I was so glad to meet another SOMMSter and have someone to hang out with! Pablo flew up from Mexico just for the Houston show, which I thought was too groovy! He was there early enough to hear the soundcheck, too (lucky guy!). It was a blast talking to him... so thanks to Pablo for being such a great person and hanging out with me. =) Ok, onto the show. First of all... one of the roadies for RFTC looks alot like Ben (circa BMF). Pablo and I spent awhile debating on whether it was actually Ben or not. Silly us, of course. The guys hair was MUCH too long for him to be Ben... but the way they carry themselves is quite similiar. And Matt's drum tech (Sean?) looks ALOT ALOT like Chris. Before SG hit the stage, people were yelling at him. "Hey Chris! Why are you behind the drum set? Look!! Chris is gonna play the drums!!" Idiots. Anyway, there were two poles on either side of the stage... and I managed to position myself right behind the one on the right side (in front of Ben), and wrap my arms around it. I had an excellent view of the whole band. =) Ben wasn't too active, but he did punch some speakers a couple times. And when someone threw something on the stage, he yelled at the guy "Hey fucker! The only things we appreciate being thrown at us are earplugs, dickfuck!" =) Ben has such a way with words. It got *so* hot in the place during the show that water started condensing on the ceiling above the stage, and dripping down on the band. At one point Chris held his hands out, and said: "Hey! It's raining in here!" I though that was the greatest! I think the fourth song was "My Wave," and Chris pleased everyone by taking his shirt off for the rest of the show. =) =) =) At one point, Chris said something else... but I couldn't understand exactly what it was. I could only catch the end: "...yeah, it's perverse. But that's because we're Frowngarden!" Yeeeeeaaaahhh!!! Go Chris!! Oh yeah, I forgot to mention what everyone was wearing (*gasp* how could I forget that??). Chris originally had on the infamous SNL shirt (before he so kindly removed it), black jeans, and blue/gray boxers. Kim had on black jeans and a Tool shirt. Matt was wearing dark blue basketball shorts, and a lighter blue basketball jersey-tank-top-type-thing that had white around the arms and neck. Ben had on those wonderful leather pants (which he looks sooooo good in!) and a maroon t-shirt. Other people have already posted about the rest of the show, so unless something comes back to me... I'll get to the meeting part. After the show, Pablo and I went around back to where the buses were. They wouldn't let us stand too near the buses, so we stood around a bus stop that was fairly close. We had an excellent view of everything. We hung out there with a few other people for about an hour waiting for the band. There were two girls and a guy there who I had thought were big fans like us... but when the guy urged the girls to talk about Hater to Ben when the band came out, and one girl asked him: "Which one is Ben?"... I figured out that Pablo and I were pretty much on our own. The guy: "Ben is the bassist!" The girl: "Is he the tall one?" AAAUUUGGHHH!!! Anyway, eventually Matt came out... and I already told you guys how he blew my mind by recognizing me and greeting me by name. =) I don't know if it's because he remembered me from the Hater show, or he recognized me from my picture in the member's directory... but that doesn't matter. The conversation (again): S: "Why aren't you wearing your SOMMS hat?" M: (HUGE friendly smile) "Hey Shroom!! How are you?" S: (Totally shocked) "Whaaaaaaat?" M: (Looks at me closely) "You ARE Shroom, right?" S: "Yeah! You remember me!" M: "Yeah! What're you doing here? Do you live here?" S: "Kinda! I live in Dallas!" M: "Cool! Are you going to the Austin show tomorrow night?" S: "Of course!!" M: (Stops signing and looks at me closely again) "Do you have tickets for it?" S: "You know it!" M: "Ok, cool! I'm sure I'll see you there then, huh?" S: "Definitely! Thanks Matt!" I couldn't believe that he asked me about tickets. Kiddies... there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that if I had said "No, I couldn't get tickets." Matt would have gotten me some. The guy is amazing! He signed my DOTU cover "To Shroom... Matt Cameron." I was so happy that he remembered me! Pablo told him how he had come all the way from Mexico for the show, and Matt was really impressed. =) I tore apart my DOTU book so Pablo got autographs, too. Eventually Mark (SG's soundman) came out and was talking to everyone. He gave Pablo and I Soundgarden guitar picks (awesome)! Then he told everyone this really funny story about when he met Eddie Vedder. Eventually Chris left the building and got on the bus, but he obviously didn't want to talk to anyone. He had a baseball hat pulled low over his face, and he was hunched over. Two little girls who were standing with us started squealing "Chrissssss!! Chrissssss!!" He started walking ALOT faster, and got on the bus. That's the last we saw of him. Not long after that, Mark let us walk over and stand in front of SG's tour bus. Kim came off and signed all of our stuff. He was joking around with everyone... it was so cool! Some guy said to him: "How come you guys never play 'Birth Ritual' anymore? I love that song!" Kim said: "Well, we haven't played it in a long time, soooo..." Then the guy said jokingly: "Well, I guess it's pretty hard to play the guitar backwards on stage, too..." Kim just grinned at him: "For YOU, maybe. I'd just do this..." And he turned his back to us, and started jamming on some really wicked air guitar. Everyone laughed; it was too funny! He finished signing everything, and started to get on the bus. He was on the first step, when he turned around with a serious look on his face, pointed to all of us, and said: "Now I want all of you to go and get stoned." He turned to finish getting on the bus, but then stuck his head BACK out at us and said: "But don't tell anyone I told you to do that!" So , you didn't just read that. =) Chris never got off the bus, and Ben just stood at the top of the stairs, around the corner from the door. When Kim got on the bus, Pablo and I left. I dropped him off at his hotel, and drove to San Antonio. Ummm... well.... ok... I kinda sorta ended up getting gas at the same truck stop that SG was at. Don't ask me how THAT happened, because I have no idea. ;-) (We were on the same highway for awhile ... could *I* help it that we just happened to choose the same store to get gas at??) ;-) I didn't bother them, though. They were getting back on the bus just as I started pumping my gas. I just smiled and waved at them, and they smiled and waved back. Such groovy guys! I talked to their bus driver inside the store though, and told him to drive VERY CAREFULLY because he was carrying *extremely* precious cargo. =) He smiled, and promised me that he'd take extra special care of the band. Then he told me to drive safely. =) What a nice guy! Day 1 of Shroomfest '96 was complete. =))) Shroom - - Oh yeah... the guys from Pond are really nifty, too. =) Be nice to them. ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: 2- Austin... the show. I got to the Austin show about an hour and a half early. Pencapchew and I must have seen each other several times that night, but we didn't realize it. (What do you look like, Pen? I was the redhead with the black hat, overalls, maroon flannel, and black & white Chucks.) As soon as I got in line, I realized that I hadn't stopped and bought a fucking camera. Talk about mentally beating the hell out of yourself!! Jeez, I was so pissed. Anyway... as soon as they opened the doors, I grabbed a place against the barricade in front of where Ben stands (right side of the stage). Pond and RFTC were groovy... and during RFTC's set, I spotted Kim standing to the right side of the stage. He saw me looking at him, so I purposefuly made myself NOT look at him, because I figured he didn't want to be watched while he was trying to enjoy the show. (Pat me on the back for that one. I showed so much restraint last night, I can hardly believe it.) Man, I had the ULTIMATE spot to watch the shows. I was right there, seeing everything that was going on... and I hardly got squished at all. No crowd surfers went over me, either. The dancer/backup singer for RFTC threw a bottle of water at us, and I caught it. Go me! I shared it with some of the people around me, and had an interesting time talking to them. After what seemed like an eternity, SG took the stage. Everyone was pretty much dressed the same as the night before. Chris didn't take his shirt off, and Ben had a black shirt on (instead of maroon) with his luscious leather pants. Matt had what looked like the same outfit on. And Kim looked to be dressed the same, too. This show ruled! It might just be because I've *never* had such a great view of the band before... but I'd say that this was one of the best shows I've seen. Ben threw a few fits, and at one point toppled a small speaker cabinet and stood on top of it. He also got pissed at his bass, and threw it to the floor. He glared at it, and must have decided that just throwing it down wasn't enough punishment for the thing... so he grabbed a cup of water, and dumped that on top of it, too. Then he got another bass, and went back to playing. Ben's tech started to go after the fallen bass, but one look from Ben made him change his mind in a hurry. The bass stayed where it was until the end of the song. Ben also made alot of his infamous gestures to the audience. Oh yeah... during the middle of the show, I felt someone tap me on the head, so I looked back... and it was Brian! (Hey kiddo! Sorry we didn't get a chance to talk!) Lemmee see... what else happened? Ummm... someone threw something at Chris during the show, and Chris yelled something like "You wanna throw shit at me? Come on up here so I can kick your ass!! Come on!!" That was pretty groovy. Chris raging... gotta love it. Ummm... they had a white screen behind the stage that they showed a film on during 'Burden' and before 'BUTOW'. (They didn't show it during the Houston show, though.) And when they weren't showing the film, they had the lights set up so they reflected off Matt's cymbals onto the screen. That was pretty groovy in my opinion. During one point of the show, Chris stepped to the left side of the stage, and was actually SMOKING. Yuck. I love the guy, but I don't know how he can sing his lungs out and still smoke in the middle of a show. Anyway... one time when he was pacing the stage on my side, he stopped and stood right in front of us, and he was making eye contact with everyone in the front row. When he got to me, I stuck my tongue out at him. =) He kind of gave me a funny look, and went back to playing. Heheheh... Kim came over to our side of the stage too, and made eye contact with us. JCP was the final encore, and it was too cool! Chris was really having a good time with it, and he was hitting every note perfectly. Amazing. As soon as the show was over, I headed over to the shirt stand and blew $81 on three SG shirts. =) But they're definitely worth it. I looked around for Brian, but he'd disappeared. Then I went outside to cool off, and wait for the band... =) =) =) ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: 3- Austin... Mark, Ben, and Kim. This is the beginning of the best part of the evening. ;-) I stood outside for about a half hour with a few people, discussing different shows we'd seen and stuff. (Again, where were you Pen? I know we must have been standing only a few feet apart!) Two of the guys were obviously autograph hounds. One of them had a piece of cardboard with two copies of the same poster taped on each side. But they were pleasant people, and I was bored... so I didn't care. Eventually Mark (soundman extraordinare) came out, and recognized me. He was like: "Hey! Did you miss me?" I said: "Of course I missed you, Mark!" He joked around: "How much did you miss me??" I said: "So much that I came here JUST to see you!" ;-) Damn, I'm smooth. He laughed and said: "Ha! Now I know you're lying!" We talked about the show for a couple minutes, and he asked me if I wanted to grab some beer on the bus because it was cold outside. That boy didn't have to ask me twice! We went on the roadies bus, and drank a couple of couple beers. And what a bus!! Man, those guys are going first class all the way. I can't imagine SG's bus (or ANY bus for that matter) being any nicer than the one that the roadies had. Mark's a groovy guy and really easy to talk to. =) He told me that THAT night's show was probably the best sounding SG show on the tour so far. We talked about different bands for awhile (Jeff Buckley, AiC), and he told me about different shows he's done the sound for. (He's been with SG for 12 years, he said. Since the very beginning.) We talked alot about SG (he bragged about what great guys they were and what a good crew they had working for them... and can ya blame him??). I told him how much I admired SG's music, and how much it means to me. He must have been pretty impressed, because he commented on how pleased he was that I wasn't a "groupie" or an "airhead," and that I was really "respectable." Whoever thought *I* would earn the title of respectable? Guess I can't be too psycho after all, huh? ;-) After a bit, he said he was hungry, and asked me if I was too. I wasn't hungry at all (too excited, I guess), but I said yes anyway. He said "Let's go grab some munchies!" So he led me off the bus, and back into the building. It was a madhouse with the crew breaking down the stage and stuff. We went to the back of the building... and INTO SG's DRESSING ROOM! There was a ton of food laid out on a table, Kim was standing in the middle of the room laughing, and Ben was sitting to my left on a couch talking to people. I didn't see Matt or Chris anywhere. Mark and I grabbed some munchies, and then he started to walk out. I was a *little* overwhelmed by being there, and I didn't want to be in anyones way, so I started to follow him out. He looked back at me, smiled, and said "No! Go ahead and hang out! It's ok, really! You're cool!" WHOAH. So I just leaned against the wall about 5 feet from where Ben was sitting, and just tried to take the whole scene in. Ben was talking to someone about the Hater show (jeez, that seems to be the subject of the year). He said: "I got into two fights, man! One guy was messing with Henry, and some other fuck was flicking lit cigarettes at me! I beat the hell out of them both!" Then he happened to turn and look in my direction. His eyes got wide and he pointed at me. "Hey, SHE was at the Hater show! I beat the hell out of those two guys, didn't I??" I thought to myself . I looked at him and said "Yeah Ben, you really beat the fuck out of them! It was a great show." He smiled and nodded at me as if to say "Good answer!" Then Mark came back in the room, and asked me if I'd met Kim yet. I said no, so he dragged me over to him. "Kim, this is Shroom... you're most respectable fan!" Kim looked at me, and said: "Hey! You were at last nights show in Houston!" I said: "Yeah, thanks for remembering!" He said: "And you were in front for the whole show tonight! I saw you! Good job!" I was like "Thanks, man! It was a groovy show!" Then (ohmygod), he leaned towards me, looked at me, and said "You have really beautiful eyes!" (ohmygodohmygodohmygod) I was speechless. He looked at me again, and commented: "Yep, really pretty eyes!" I managed to say "Thanks!" without passing out (go me!). Then I handed him my DOTU cover for him to sign (even though he'd already signed it the night before). He turned it over, signed his name again, and handed it back to me. I said "Thanks, Kim!" Then he said: "Wait a sec..." and he took it back from me. He pulled the cap off my marker with his teeth (and managed to get spit all over it), and wrote next to his name "Nice eyes". He looked at me and said: "Can you read that?" I read it out loud: "'Nice eyes'... Kim, that's too sweet. Thanks, man!" He smiled and said: "Well, you do have really great eyes!" I said: "Thanks again!" Then his nose must have itched, because he reached up and scratched it. He noticed that he had some marker on his hand from earlier, so his eyes got a little wider, and he leaned over to me and said: "Do I have anything on my nose?" I laughed and looked at his nose: "No Kim, there's nothing on your nose." He looked at me: "Are you sure? No pen marks?" I laughed again, and pulled the sleeve of my flannel over my hand and reached up. He leaned closer to me and scrunched his eyes shut like a little kid. I started rubbing his nose, even though there was nothing on it... just to make him feel better. Heheheh... I felt so weird. Standing in the middle of SG's dressing room, rubbing Kim Thayil's nose with my flannel. If someone would have told me earlier in the day that I was going to be doing that, I would have thought they were nuts. I finished rubbing his nose, and said: "There! No marks!" He shook his head, grinned, and said: "Thanks!" By that time I was feeling pretty damn comfortable around the man, and I remembered what someone else on the list had asked him, so I couldn't resist asking, too: "Can I touch your beard?" He gave me the Kim grin, and stuck his chin out so I could touch it. =) I fondled his beard, and said "Nice hair, Kimbo!" Then he smiled at me, and asked if he could touch my braids (I always wear at least three braids with black and clear beads on the bottom of 'em on the right side of my head... it's a Shroom thing, don't ask). I grinned at him and said: "Welllll... I usually don't let people touch them... but I guess I'll make an exception for you." He grinned back, and said "Thanks! They're really cool!" I said: "Hey, what can I say? I'm nice like that!" Then I reached out to shake his hand, and he smiled really big and gave me a HUGE bear hug. Damn, that guy is strong! =) =) Kim rules! Then right after the hug, Mark came up to me and asked me if I'd met CHRIS yet. My eyes got huge, I'm sure. (I couldn't help it.) He put his hands on my shoulders, turned me around, and sitting not 4 feet RIGHT BEHIND ME in the corner of a couch was Chris... ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: 4- Austin... meeting Chris. I turned around, and there was Chris... just sitting in the corner of this couch by himself. He was wearing a blue baseball hat, and a black shirt that was UNBUTTONED and OPEN (ohmygod, chest shot from hell)! I looked at him for a second, and then I had the strangest thought: "He looks fragile." And he did. It was like he looked like a total sex god (of course), but he had this fragile air about him. He kind of looked like a little lost boy, at the same time. I felt like PROTECTING the guy... although from what, I have no idea. No one was even talking to him. Mark pulled me a couple of steps closer and said "Chris, this is Shroom... your most respectable fan." (That's how he introduced me all night... weird, huh?) Chris looked up, blinked twice, gave his patented CC grin, pointed at me and said "Hey... you're the girl who stuck her tongue out at me during the show!! That wasn't very nice!!" I sat down on the couch next to him on his left (not just to get closer to him. It was either sit down or fall down at that point.) ;-) I told him: "It wasn't in a mean way, though." He was still grinning, and he said "Yeah, I know... I'm just teasing you." Chris Cornell was TEASING me. =))) I handed him my DOTU cover and asked him to sign it. He took my marker (which was probably still covered with Kim's drool), and started scrawling his name across it. That's when I lost it and started trying to tell him how much his music means to me. I babbled probably for like 5 minutes straight, trying to explain it to him... but I just couldn't put it into words. I was getting totally frustrated, but Chris was amazing. He just watched me, smiled, and nodded like he understood what I was trying to say. (And he probably did, because I'm sure he hears the same babble all the time.) The man has the most incredible way of concentrating on you, and seeming to block out everything else going on around you. I finally couldn't say anymore, because nothing seemed adequate and I knew I wan't making any sense anyway... so I reached down and took off my favorite piece of jewelry, a silver anklet. (The Seattle SOMMSters will probably remember it. It's a thick silver woven band, and it's got like a million little hollow silver teardrops hanging from it that jingle when you move it. Everyone kept calling me a Hare Krishna or Hairy Fishnut in Seattle. ;-)) Anyway, I took off my anklet and held it up. I took a deep breath, and said very slowly: "Chris, I can't put my feelings into words right now. This anklet is kind of my good luck charm, and I wear it everywhere. It makes me feel safe. I always wear it on my right ankle, and whenever I start to feel worried or anxious or depressed, I shake it a little... and when I hear it tinkling, I know that I'm ok. It's like it calms me or something. I know that you get depressed alot, so I'd like for you to have it. I hope it makes you feel a little bit better like it does for me. I really wish I could TELL you how your music makes me feel and how much you've affected my life, but I can't. Please take my anklet instead and know that I appreciate everything you've done." Then after I made my little speech (totally off the top of my head, and I didn't even fuck it up!! Go me!!), he looked into my eyes and said "That was really great.... thanks!" I think he actually understood how I was feeling!! I got my point across, and he understood and appreciated it! So then I handed him my anklet. His whole face lit up like it was Christmas morning and he was 5 years old, and he said "Wow! Thanks! Thanks alot! This is really cool!" He studied it for a few seconds in his hands... then he held it up between us, shook it, listened to it tinkle, gave me that gorgeous smile again, and said "Neat!!" ("Neat!" I love it!) I felt so relieved that he didn't try to reject my gift... I can't tell you people how happy I was! If he had said he couldn't take it, I would have been heartbroken. I knew I had to get out of there before I started crying or doing something else to embarrass myself, so I stuck out my hand and said "Really Chris, thanks a million." He shook the anklet again, looked at me closely, and then opened his arms wide. AAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!!! Chris Cornell gave me a HUG!! Here's my recollection: His shirt was open, his hair was wet against my cheek (was that sweat, or did he shower after the show?), and of course I was thinking "I'm FINALLY in Chris' arms!!" Yeah, it was a cheezy thought, I know... but I couldn't help it. His neck was soft. =) And I smelled him to see if he was wearing any cologne. He wasn't. =) He smelled faintly of cigarette smoke... and he had this kind of sweet/musky smell to him. It definitely wasn't cologne, and if he'd showered, he hadn't shampooed his hair (I wanted to know what kind of shampoo he uses , but he didn't smell like any kind of soap). He was sweet and musky. The whole gesture took me completely off guard, and I was too shocked to cry at that point. =) We pulled apart, and both thanked each other again. I stood up to get the hell out of there (and almost fell over, I was shaking so badly... he must think I'm a total clutz). ;-) I smiled at him again, and started to walk off. Then he noticed a set of keys sitting on the couch, and he said "Hey, wait! Are these your keys?" I looked at them, and said "Nope, they're not mine." He looked at me: "Are you SURE they're not yours??" Ummm... Chris, I think I'd recognize my own keys. ;-) "Yeah, I'm sure they're not mine. Mine are in my pocket." He gives me a stern and almost FATHER-LIKE look (kinda scary) and said "You'd better look and make sure these aren't yours." So to appease him... the man I adore, my idol, the guy who's had more influence on my life than anyone or anything ever, oh how I love this man ;-)... I pulled my keys out of my pocket and showed them to him. He gave me a kind of embarrassed grin, and said "Ok, I just wanted to make sure that these weren't yours. I didn't want you to be stranded. You be careful going home!" I was thinking to myself "What an amazing guy to care about something like that!" It's true... alot of people would have been completely indifferent, and not thought twice about it. Then he held the keys up to Mark and said: "Mark, do you think you could find out whose keys these are?" Mark took the keys, and I followed him out of the room. Ben was still sitting on the couch, and I pinched Kim on his arm on my way out. He grinned at me, and pinched me back. =) ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: 5- Austin... Matt and Ben. The end! I followed Mark out into the main part of the building again, and collapsed on a case that was marked "lights." Mark went off to yell at someone on the other side of the room, so I sat there for maybe 5 minutes taking deep breaths and getting myself together. Then Mark came back over and started talking to me again. He was telling me about some of the things the crew has to do to break the stage down. Then BEN came out of the dressing room and walked over to us. He plops himself down on the case RIGHT next to me and starts talking. "Man Mark, did you hear me play during the film? That's the best I've EVER played during the film!" Mark was like: "No man, there was alot of stuff going on... I didn't hear." Ben seemed a little irked at that, and started griping about how the sound on his bass got turned way up during one song. "They fucking blamed me for it! I always get fucking blamed for that!" Mark said "No one blamed you for anything Ben, it wasn't your fault." Ben looked at me and said "They always fucking blame it on me!!" Like I was supposed to understand what in the hell was going on?? I looked back at him, held up my hands, smiled, and said kind of joking/defensively: "Hey, I didn't blame you for shit!" He grinned at me like I'd just told some funny joke, and went back to griping to Mark. (Ben's humor... who knows??) After a few more minutes, he jumped up and headed for the door. He said: "Hey c'mon!! We're going to a bar!" Mark started to follow him out, and I thought that Ben hadn't meant me too, so I figured I'd sit there in bliss watching the crew until someone told me to get out (I was still in a daze over Chris). Ben turned around in the doorway, stepped around Mark to wave and motion at me, gave me a 'what-in-the-hell-are-you-waiting-for' look, and said "C'mon!! Let's go!!" No one else was even NEAR me, so I knew he was talking to me. ME! I was on my feet and right behind him in a heartbeat. We got out to this platform-type-thing and some guy (the tour manager?) came up to him and said: "Ben, you can't go anywhere... we're leaving soon." Ben snarled at the guy and said: "NO, we're going drinking at a bar." The guy impressed the hell out of me, because he held his ground instead of backing off from Ben the way everyone else seems to, and said: "No Ben, we're leaving in a few minutes. You can't go." Ben threw his hands in the air, and stalked off into the darkness. Mark just grinned and shrugged at me. We walked over to where Matt was standing. I just KNEW what was coming from Matt (especially since he'd seen me at the truck stop the night before), so I kind of tried to hide behind Mark. Matt saw me anyway, peeked around Mark and said: "Shroom!!" Mark was like: "You already know her?" Matt grinned and said: "Yeah, she's a total psycho!" AAAUUUGGHHH!! I was REALLY starting to get used to the whole 'Shroom-is-the-most-respectable-fan' thing. Mark grinned, looked at me, and said: "Shroom, are you a psycho??" I groaned and said: "Mark, have I jumped on anyone yet? Have I done anything psycho at all?" Mark patted me on the shoulder and said: "No, you're really cool. I like you. You're not a psycho, you're totally respectable." I stuck my tongue out at Matt. Matt grinned and said: "No man, you should read what she writes on the internet!" I held my hands up inbetween them and said: "Don't listen to him Mark! The guy doesn't know what he's talking about! He's computer illiterate!" Matt looked at me and said: "Yeah, I am computer illiterate." Ha! So I smiled at him, stuck out my hand and said "Happy Birthday, Matt." (It was well after midnight by that time.) =) Matt grinned back, and said: "Thanks!" Then I saw Chris and Kim signing autographs and making their way to the bus, so I walked a little closer to look at Chris. It's amazing, but he didn't seem fragile at all anymore. He seemed like the biggest person out there. He was really nice and friendly to everyone, smiling, talking and signing things... is he not the greatest?? He looked over at me one last time before he disappeared onto the bus, and gave me the biggest, sweetest, and happiest smile I've ever seen. I melted, and smiled back. Then Kim saw me and waved, so I waved back. He got on the bus, too. Then I spotted Ben still standing in the darkness, so I mosied over there. ;-) By then I felt completely at ease around Ben, too... so I stood there and listened to him bitch out the autograph hound with the two posters on cardboard. =) After the guy cowered for a bit, and then slunk away... I told Ben that I needed for him to sign my DOTU cover, because I'd had him sign my ticket at the Hater show, but the people at the door had ripped part of it. Then he started griping about the Hater show. "Were you with those girls at the front of the stage?" Me: "Uh, no. I was behind them." Ben: "Oh, ok. Man, I'm going to get fucking sued for that show." Me: "No you're not, Ben." Ben: "Yeah I am! I'm going to get fucking sued!" Me: "No, you're not! You kicked my friend Caryn in the face, and SHE'S not going to sue you." Ben took a step towards me (which I guess is his way of intimidating people), pointed down at me (damn, he's tall), and said: "I didn't kick ANYONE in the face." I took a step towards HIM, pointed back at him and said: "Well, maybe you didn't kick her... but you nailed her pretty hard." Then he took ANOTHER small step towards me (and he's got that cute little Ben grin on his face by then... like he realized that this was some kind of a game we were playing... seeing who could intimidate who more. Like I (all 5'9", 120 lbs of me) could ever hope to intimidate HIM, heheheh. Well, I tried... and that's what's important). ;-) Anyway, he stepped towards me again, leaned down a little, and said: "I didn't nail ANYONE very hard!" So I took another *tiny* step towards him (there wasn't very far I could go before I would be standing on the guys boots... we hadn't been standing very far apart to begin with)... leaned UP towards him, pointed, and said: "Well if you didn't nail anyone very hard, then why are you so fucking worried about getting sued?!?" He opened his mouth like he was going to answer... and then goes: "Ummmm..." And he laughs! I laughed, too. It was funny, in a really weird and fucked up way. ;-) More Ben humor, I guess. I handed him my DOTU cover, and he signed it for me. Then I stuck my hand out and said: "It really was a great show. Thanks Ben!" He shook my hand, and then he hugged me. =) Wow... that was probably the most clumsy hug I've ever gotten in my whole life. The guy needs to practice hugging more. ;-) He's a strong one, though. I pulled back, patted him on the chest (wow!), and said: "I'm sure I'll be seeing you at a Hater show in the future." He grinned at me and said: "There's not going to be anymore Hater shows!" I looked at him, and said: "Ok, well maybe you guys won't be using the name 'Hater,' but I know there's going to be more shows." He gave me this really awesome 'hey-you're-pretty-cool' smile and said: "Yeah, we'll see." By that time, I was seriously ready to leave... I don't think I've ever been that tired in my life. So I patted him on the chest once more, started walking off, and said: "Bye Ben, thanks again!" Ben smiled at me again, waved, and said: "See you later, Shroom!" I walked back to my car in a state of complete bliss. Last night was the most incredible night of my life. Meeting SG after all these years of being a huge fan was pretty amazing... but what was even more amazing was the fact that they didn't treat me like a fan. They treated me more like a friend. Not once did I feel like I was bothering them, and they even included me in their conversations with other people. But most importantly, I received NONE of the standard "Well, she's a female so she must be a groupie" attitude that goes along with meeting bands. I think SG must be pretty cool about stuff like that, but I also think getting the word "respectable" tacked onto my name during introductions didn't hurt, either. ;-) THANKS MARK!!! The whole night went perfectly. I couldn't have ever hoped for a better meeting with them. The only things I regret are forgetting to pick up a fucking camera on my way to the Austin show, and not mentioning the KTMS to Kim (damn me!). Anyway... when I got home at around 4am this morning, I immediately hung up my autographs and SG pick... and took a closer look at all the posters and pictures hanging on my walls. It was the oddest thing... it was like I was seeing them all again for the first time! Before I would look at the pictures and think "You guys rule!! You're the coolest!" But now I look at each of the guys, and think "You're actually nice person, and I really DO like you!" So that was my meeting with Soundgarden. I'll probably never meet them again (unless I'm lucky enough to be able to see another Hater show and see Ben again)... but that was MORE than enough. It was mind-blowing. Sorry for all the posts and babble, but I couldn't leave out very many details... the whole thing was too great. I wanted to share it with everyone. And now my secret is out. I'm not really a psycho. Oh well, there goes my reputation. See Sethmeister?!? I TOLD you I was misunderstood! ;-) Shroomy - - I'm planning on getting my autographs scanned and put on up a web page that Dena and I are working on. You should be able to check out the official "SiCA" website in early December! =) ------------------------------ From: jlemerci@rain.artcenter.edu (Johann Lemercier) Subject: SG in LA, meeting point? Hello to all SOMMSters! This is my first post to the list, so I'll introduce myself first. My name is Johann, I'm 22 and I come from France, but I currently live in Los Angeles. I've been a SG fan since 1992, but actually heard their early stuff first (well, and originally the TOTD record). I missed my first chanse to see Soundgarden live in 1992 (I think they were opening for GNR in Paris), but I managed to see them 3 times since: Zurich 4/3/94 (the best by far: fantastic show!) Reading Festival '95 Lollapalooza '96 (1st night in Irvine, CA) I met Ben behind the second stage of Lolla where he was enjoying Satchel and the Melvins' performances. He's the only member of the band I've actually talked to. It's mentioned in the book "New Metal Crown" that he doesn't like talking to the fans, but I can tell you that's all wrong; he's a really cool guy. If anyone would like to read complete reviews of these gigs, I'll post them. Anyway, I just wanted to know if Sommsters from SoCal were supposed to meet at the next shows in L.A.? I can't make it to the Del Mar SOMMSFEST, but I'll be going to both shows at Universal Amph, Dec. 1 & 2. I've read there are SOMMS t-shirts and that people from the list use them to recognize each other at shows? Since I don't have one of those, could someone tell me what they look like? - -Johann "Are you gonna bark all day, little doggie? Or are you gonna bite?" - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://lounge.artcenter.edu/students/jlemerci/ My tape list is at: http://lounge.artcenter.edu/students/jlemerci/boot.htm - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: houston (long post, but worth it IMHO) Amber wrote: >>My ears are still ringing, literally. I probably shouldn't have stood three rows back from the speaker during Pond's and RFTC's sets, but oh well. My eyes still burn when I close = them from getting so dried out because of all the smoke. But it was all = worth it: the bitchy parents, the freezing cold outside, the incredibly hot, humid climate inside, the beer spill, getting kicked really hard in the knee = by some fucker. I loved every minute of it. Amber, you summed it all up so well in that last paragraph! A = Soundgarden concert being all worth it. I can't wait until the end of = January when I get to see them myself for the first time! :-) Carolyn the Mental Folly Eat the fruit and kiss the snake goodnight.....Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: "stimpy1" Subject: soundgarden`s shows - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- This Mail Was Send By Stimpy1 Email:stimpy1@netvision.net.il - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Hi all listen i have a few qustions about soundgarden`s shows 1).i never been in one of SG shows but what i know is that they cant really "catch" the crowd if you know what i mean so i want to know honestly how are they preforming with the crowd? 2).in SG prefomences are there many peple and if the crowd like get wild like headbanging stage diving and if soundgarden get "wild"? 3).and the last one is what songs does soundgarden sing in thire concerts i mean like old new and if they sing songs from badmotorfinger? ok? take care now byebye then!!! ------------------------------ Subject: Shrooms adventures.... From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >Meeting SG after all these years of >being a huge fan was pretty amazing... but what was even more amazing was the >fact that they didn't treat me like a fan. They treated me more like a >friend. Not once did I feel like I was bothering them, and they even >included me in their conversations with other people. But most importantly, >I received NONE of the standard "Well, she's a female so she must be a >groupie" attitude that goes along with meeting bands Thanks for the great post Shroom.. And thank you for making the point again that these guys are really nice people.. That was the one thing that kept coming to my mind the whole time in Chicago. Soundgarden is made up of very nice people. They are not on any head trip and as many times as I have been told that they don't care about their fans - I don't believe it. Before the Chicago and DC shows I always liked their music (wouldn't be on this list if I didn't) but now I hear a song and I have flashes of great memories.. Especially "Blow Up The Outside World", I hear it and I'm back stage watching the band pour out their wonderful music... I'm very happy you got to meet the band it does make them so much more special... Jamie (Village Idiot/SOMMs Mom) ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: all my friends are brown and red... At 09:49 AM 11/29/96 -0500, Jamesetta Simpson wrote: >but now I hear a song and I have flashes of great >memories.. Ya know, i have been thinking about this alot. Since Chicago, my obsession with Superunknown has really been rejuventated... What is really interesting to me is how a concert experience can really effect my feelings toward a particular song...Example: SPOONMAN. Never been one of my major SG favorites (except for the matt/ben solo which i love) - i never skip past it, but never really get into it either. HOWEVER, that has all changed!!! Ever since seeing them open the shows with Spoonman, my feelings toward the song have quadrupled! Standing there, post RFTC, waiting and waiting and waiting for the boys to show themselves on stage, especially after having just met them, and then finally hearing the wail of Spoonman...this was one of the most amazing moments of my life. So everytime that BHS ends and then I hear the first few beats of Spoonman, I am suddenly thrown back into the Aragon with a full rush of emotion and all the excitement comes back...Now I cant get enough of this song!!! It has a completely different effect on me now. Anyone else experienced a concert changing how you feel about a song? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I walk these streets alone, shadows hide my face My sins are etched in stone, never to erase My fears unshakeable, if I could believe I'd trade these wings of gold, for what I really need - --CC I really only had a few things They've all turned to tears One tried to kill me The other kept me here I'm still here... - --God Lives Underwater ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Shroom in paradise... *sigh* shroom, girl, what can i say?! i am JEALOUS! but in the best way possible. i think that the whole thing that you posted was the most worthwhile posts i've read since the Chicago trip. uh, that didn't sound right. oh well, i think you know what i meant. as another lister said, i could have almost cried, i felt like i was right there experiencing everything right along with you. wow, you lucky girl you. :) nice touch too "respectable fan." :) thanks again for proving that they are the sweet kind people that i so think that they are and really really hoped that they are. i'd hvae given anything to be in yr position. *sigh* mind riot ____ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i'm tied within i'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: clmiller@mail.usachoice.net (Miller, Chris) Subject: sgstuff first of all ms stewart, unless my eyes doth deceive me, soundgarden played the video montage of enemy superimposed over bill clinton's face during "blow up the outside world" not "burden in my hand" if i am wrong may chris cornell come to my house and slap me silly does anyone know what "ferrivorous" means? as in the line "ferrivorous direction and drive" from never the machine forever? i couldnt find it in the dictionary (quick fix for the slow witted) and i'm wondering if it's a clever little invention from mr thayil. tanx. ------------------------------ From: RachelMaka@aol.com Subject: New Friends Hey all you Sommsters in the NJ/NY area. I am looking for some new friends. If you love music (especially Soundgarden), sports, going to concerts, bars. or just hanging out mail me RACHELMAKA@AOL.COM and we can get together. I am a 20 year old female who lives in NJ, works in NY. ---Rachel ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: Re: sgstuff At 05:25 PM 11/29/96 -0500, Miller, Chris wrote: >does anyone know what "ferrivorous" means? >as in the line "ferrivorous direction and drive" from never the machine >forever? i couldnt find it in the dictionary (quick fix for the slow >witted) and i'm wondering if it's a clever little invention from mr >thayil. Well, "ferriferous" means containing iron....so i think it is some sort of a pun on that, especially since "mercurial mind the fire" is the line previous....maybe Mr.T has a fetish for silvery-white metals?? eliza ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I walk these streets alone, shadows hide my face My sins are etched in stone, never to erase My fears unshakeable, if I could believe I'd trade these wings of gold, for what I really need - --CC I really only had a few things They've all turned to tears One tried to kill me The other kept me here I'm still here... - --God Lives Underwater ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: sgstuff Right, lies. Ferrivorous means iron-eating, much like carnivorous. Geoff eliza wrote: > > At 05:25 PM 11/29/96 -0500, Miller, Chris wrote: > > >does anyone know what "ferrivorous" means? > >as in the line "ferrivorous direction and drive" from never the machine > >forever? i couldnt find it in the dictionary (quick fix for the slow > >witted) and i'm wondering if it's a clever little invention from mr > >thayil. > > Well, "ferriferous" means containing iron....so i think it is some sort of a > pun on that, especially since "mercurial mind the fire" is the line > previous....maybe Mr.T has a fetish for silvery-white metals?? > > eliza ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: I caught the moon today... Eliza asked: >>hey, aren't ya glad we gave everyone something to read on this quiet = turkey day? Don't know about this turkey day business (we don't have Thanksgiving in = Australia - is it a religious holiday, or is it kind of an "alternative" = to Christmas??), but I can say I WAS very interested in reading the = posts about the 'best' album of this year. :-) It sure is nice to see = some thoughtful posts that express individuals' opinions. I haven't yet heard the whole Tool album. Only because we are building = a house at the moment, and cash is very hard to come by! Sorry, I opted = for Tumbleweed's latest (hell, it came with a bonus 10-track CD and I'm = not one to resist a bargain when I see one!) over Tool's, although the = decision was a hard one. Since it WAS Australian music day when I made = my choice, I decided I HAD to opt for the Aussies. But I digress. I = will soon be able to hear "Aenima" thanks to Aleko, and can see for = myself how powerful/angry/wonderful it is. I CAN say I simply adore = "Stinkfist" - if that's an indication of the quality of the rest of the = songs I'm sure I won't be disappointed. I agree with Eliza and Justin about anger not making an album great. = Power, as Justin suggested, is a better term to use. I too really liked = DoTU when it came out. And of course I still love it. But is it my = favourite (note I'm not saying "the best") album I've heard this year? = Possibly not. Just to throw another spanner in the works - my favourite = album is by a band that not many of you will have heard (perhaps 20 of = the 700 on this mailing list will have or have heard the album). It's = Powderfinger's "Double Allergic". Now THAT has probably little anger, = but it has all the raw emotion, intensity, depth, and simply awesome = vocals (to me) that I could ever ask for! :-) Carolyn the Musing Fan What you say and what I see, they are miles apart.......Powderfinger ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 319] ****************************************