From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 25 Nov 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 02:14:53 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Monday, 25 Nov 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: Ben at the Canada show Johnny, Iconoclasts, Sex & the Single Note Religiosity and the Reverend (A little) more on Live n Loud Good Place to find SG singles & videos THE SHOW *HOT*lanta... we're back Hype again Down in front!!!! Atlanta! lyrical silliness and cross-dressing Re: Down in front!!!! SG show in Seattle SG Atlanta: Round 2! (long review) boo hiss Stupid people, cool people, and SOMMS shirts. Atlanta show Re: SG show in Seattle Re: SG Atlanta: Round 2! (long review) ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: Ben at the Canada show I agree with Ben. When I last saw SG (in '94), Kim smashed up his guitar and one of his speaker cabinets at the end of "Let Me Drown," and that was only the second or third song into their set. I remember being sort of surprised that they started to ruin their instruments so early in the show. I mean, most people who smash guitars wait until the end of the show, right? But I guess when you're that rich you can smash whatever you want whenever you want. But I don't think it was out of jealousy. I don't even think it was for want of attention. I'll go out on a limb and suggest it was just a reaction to the energy of the show, much like moshing (not to bring that up again). That's what I think, at least. Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Ben Timberlake wrote: > My guess is that Ben smashed the bass because he gets really energetic on > stage and likes to destroy things. In fact, this distruction can be - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It would be terrible if the Red Cross BloodMobile got into an accident. No, wait. That would be good because if anyone needed it, the blood would be right there." --Anonymous ------------------------------ From: AntiDog@aol.com Subject: Johnny, Iconoclasts, Sex & the Single Note In response to: *Toni << It's just so strange to hear/see those words come out of Johhny Cash's mouth!! >> AntiDog writes: Yeah it is kind of wild to hear those lyrics out of Johnny's mouth, but man it's just so incredibly great. I think it's a really well-written song that can be subjected to so varied a range of interpretations... and, aside from the wanton musical analysis... it's just a super cover.. and then, I think Rick Rubens is a really intuitive producer... - ------- *In response to: shroom << I already wrote her a nasty note, and reported her to AOL...>> AntiDog writes: I can hear it now, KTMS One coming in for a landing... please clear the fucking runway... I mean, did you send her a scarlet SG too? You go girrl. - ------- In response to: carolynh@dove.net.au << I couldn't give a fig if Chris were gay = or not. YES! Believe it or not, there ARE some female members on this = list who DON'T lust after the great man!!>> AntiDog writes: All things considered it is possible to find sexual appeal in men while also totally getting off on their music. I too was an SG fan before I ever saw their cumulative pics. To me, their music is libido. This doesnt obfuscate the possibility of a more intellectual interpretation of their music, nor does it preclude the sardonic lustiness of Miss Shroom. ..and hey, thanks for the great Philly reviews... just six short days for us SD SOMMSters! ------------------------------ From: AntiDog@aol.com Subject: Religiosity and the Reverend In response to: KLane@gails.com << The impression I get is Chris has a kind of rebellion against organized religion not necessarily god or spirituality.>> AntiDog writes: I agree. I think the entire band, is completely iconoclastic. Either that or theyre completely moderate relative to our conservative, conformist era. (Which is true no matter how you slice it up). Songs like my beloved TOTD Pushing Forward Back; the Thayil penned A Room a Thousand Years Wide; and, The Day I Tried To Live (not to mention obvious choices like My Wave) certainly confirm the idea that SG is a band of iconoclasts, as does the geographic isolation of Seattle. (The latter having been credited by many for helping to develop the ubiquitous Seattle Sound.) - ------- Reply to Aaron << Taz, former drummer of the Reverend Horton Heat>> Antidog writes: When did he split from the Reverend? They opened for SG in 94 and had a cool spread in RayGun just after. ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: (A little) more on Live n Loud Steven Russell wrote: >Question: Will the MTV Europe SG thingy be a full concert? partial >footage? Anybody in the know...send the info along. If you have a >satellite system and can pick up MTV Europe...get in touch with me. I only caught the end of the trailer as I walked into the room, but my TV guide calls it 'an intimate concert with the Seattle rock band' and it's on for one hour (including commercials, no doubt!) I have a feeling it is the MTV special that Details referred to so my bet is it's a studio thing and they recorded it in September when they were here. I will post a report after I have seen it. I will be taping it (for me) of course, but our video system is different from the rest of the world :-( so I can't do any copies. Sorry. But we get US stuff on Euro MTV so I am sure they will show it in the States sometime soon. UKDeb ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Farley" Subject: Good Place to find SG singles & videos http://www.cduniverse.com/ Check it out. Chris ------------------------------ From: "Wilson Vanessa Faye" Subject: THE SHOW to all you sommsters who were there last night, sorry I couldn't make it to meet you guys, raj and I drove 5 hours (but fucking worth it) to get to atlanta and we were kinda tired, to we went in the omni 1 hour before the opening bands. We didn't have the passes to go down to the "pit section". All I have to say is the show was absolutely kick-ass, we all should thank GOD for planting the gift-given miracle on Chris's body. Thankyou, Chris, for a performance that was completely immortal, and I'll leave all of you with this- I'm paralyzed for a few days now from headbanging... vanessa (vfwilson@catawba.edu) ------------------------------ From: DeeDee Bradshaw-Autry Subject: *HOT*lanta... ***Road Trip*** The Triangle North Carolina Chapter of the SOMMSters...(Jay, Jeremy and Me) Officer: Miss, are you aware of how fast you were going? Me: No officer...(sweet dumb look) Officer: Miss, I clocked you doing 84... Me: (thinking to myself)...damn thank god he didnt clock me sooner...(double damn, sweet dumb look didnt work) ***The Show*** We were speared Tenderloin for this show...instead we got Pond...who, tho not as visually offensive, still were not anything to get excited about...at best i would say they are a good house band...the drummer stood out the most, he had talent... Rocket from the Crypt...i missed them in Chicago...but not this time around and i am so glad i got to see them...what an incredible group of preformers...i loved all their glitter and shine...they reminded me of Sha Na Na meets The Ramones...50's muscle with 70's punk...they were fun...the lead singer was hilarious..."I dedicate the next song to *me* cause Im so fucking cool"...and "I made A's in *awesome*..." the guy was a trip...and he suceeded in bringing to life a crowd that i was seriously having my doubts about....a band i definitely will be seeing again... I am just going to hit the high points, because basically, it has all already been said... Chris' voice is most definitely not back to normal, but he still sounded great...tho he seemed some what subdued, in that there wasnt too much stage banter...i suspect because he was conserving his voice... as per the previous shows, the mix included BMF, SU and DOTU...but *surprise surprise* they did Hands All Over...woohoo!!!! the first few songs Chris' voice seemed strained...he got progressively better as the night wore on, however, he did flake out on the first verse of Slaves and Bulldozers ("Now i know why"...*R*...) and went low instead of high...in the middle of Fell on Black Days, they stopped playing long enough for Chris to kick off the stage a pair of underwear that had been thrown up, "Change your fucking underwear at home" says Chris...Ben provided another moment of amusement, well two actually...the first being a crowd surfer came over the rail to security and as she walked off she had her arms and hands up in the air and was wigglin and shaking them like mad...as she went by Ben, he stops playing and mocks her, wigglin and shakin himself...the second was during the encore (Dusty) he just plops his ass down on a speaker to play the song, kicked by like he was in his garage...it was cute...Rusty Cage (missed ya *Lies*...) was briefly dedicated to the Man in Black, tho not a formal dedication like the one in Chicago...all in all they looked like they were having a good time, no angry bashing or violent destruction...very little of the end of show feedback stuff that Chris and Kim do...Chris did none and Kim's was short... The crowd was a soundgarden crowd...in that, they knew the songs...even the older stuff...they were really into the music...the pit looked good...a few swirling rings that looked rough but for the most part, moshing that was collective energy, not who can i hurt the most... As for them playing in a sports arena...that was the only low part of the show...i do not like arenas...the sound was muddled... ***JAY & JEREMY*** ONLY 10 DAYS LEFT TILL TOOL!!!!!!!!!! WooHoo!!!! Two TOOL SHOWs Back-To-Back....Fucking psyched for that.... ------------------------------ From: j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: we're back hi, everyone lived through the atlanta show. We didn't have floor seating like we thought we would, but everything was still cool.... i'll let deedee have the honor of posting the first review... but let me say this. IT WAS AWESOME!!!. and Chris's voice is still shaky, but he knows when to let it loose. hey, we even got the pleasure of seeing a "woo guy".. hehehe jeremy ------------------------------ From: Andrea Pinto Subject: Hype again i saw Hype one more time. Anyone else notice that the SG footage they show for "searching" is the same used in the "my wave video"? ------------------------------ From: tonerkin Subject: Down in front!!!! Subject: Atlanta! They played hands all over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And right after it, they pleyed an amazing version of Slaves and Bulldozers. Chris' voice was off at first, but he found his stride during outshined. He was pretty much on from there. I'll let everyone else say stuff about the rest, but after the show was over, kim returned to the stage w/ a beer and toasted the crowd. Never thought kim would be the last to leave the stage. Oh, also, Ben played JCP, the last song, sitting down on one of the cabinets (or was it a really large head?); he even took his strap off. 800 miles in 2 days. Fun. Good thing Dee Dee and her husband were there to keep me and jeremy from getting bored. They did a good job of keeping us from getting bored. :) laters. -j "...intimate settings, nothing like 'em" -Rocket From the Crypt ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: lyrical silliness and cross-dressing hey all- just read an o.k. article on SG in the new Hypno magazine...i will type it up for seth, but thought i would put one snippet here that i found funny...enjoy! "When we were doing ToTD," recalls Cornell, "Stone used to get all my lyrics wrong. He'd go straight for the rock lyrics. On 'Say Hello to Heaven', there's a line that said 'Lighter than a breath from a dove,' and he thought I was singing 'My heart is beating like a big bass drum.' Then in 'Wooden Jesus,' where I sing '20 percent of my future is sin,' he thought I was singing '21st Century Woman'; straight for the wrong thing!" and one more quickie: (talking about Lollapalooza)...Cornell laughingly refers to it as "Metal-sexist-apalooza." He remarks, "I'll dress like a woman if it will make people feel better." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I walk these streets alone, shadows hide my face My sins are etched in stone, never to erase My fears unshakeable, if I could believe I'd trade these wings of gold, for what I really need - --CC I really only had a few things They've all turned to tears One tried to kill me The other kept me here I'm still here... - --God Lives Underwater ------------------------------ From: DeeDee Bradshaw-Autry Subject: Re: Down in front!!!! ? Also the little guy from Rocket from the Crypt had some serious >Gumby steps!!! > i know, this isnt SG related, sue me...i loved the little gumby guy from rocket!!! his moves were incredible...how can anyone have that kinda energy??? quite honestly, i think someone put bengay on his balls before the show to make him move like that...i think basically rocket is a group to be watched with an open mind and a fun attitude...dont take them too seriously... ------------------------------ From: "Eric Hodo" Subject: SG show in Seattle There's going to be a SG show up here in Seattle on Dec. 10-11. Too bad the tickets are sold out as of two or three weeks ago. You guys know what their playlist was? Did they play "Bootcamp" from their new album (the best song on their in my opinion). Do they play any of their older songs (pre-A&M stuff)? Last thing, would you people happen to know if Guild is still selling their SG copies (which Kim plays)? -Keith ------------------------------ From: UnknownFan@aol.com Subject: SG Atlanta: Round 2! (long review) hey guys-- just got back from atlanta. 30 hours of madness. the second sg show in 3 days--psyche! i wish i could quit my job and travel with them around the world! first stop in atlanta was wax and facts where they have a lot of sg vinyl--i bought the flower 12". their address is 432 moreland ave, ne (in little five points) and the # is 404-525-2275. i tried to make it the somms meeting place on time, but missed dee dee, her hubby thomas, jeremy and jay. luckily, fellow sommster karen (KJack) and i had seats right in front of one another. i met her and her roomie sandy (they drove 6 1/2 hours each way to see this show--i was impressed!) and they were totally sweet. i spotted mariana and her friend down from south carolina. they were on the floor, but came to visit us before the show. also totally cool--wish we could have hung longer... but the lights dimmed at 9:15 and it was show time! the set was very similar to wednesday night's show in dc. opened with spoonman, leading into swmgec. the place rocked! chris was less talkative than he had been on wed, but his voice was def. better. thinking back, chris was in bit of a pissy mood on wed--what with his rolling stone rant and that bitch tirade. it is possible that he was mad that rocket had been booed off the stage. the atlanta audience was more receptive to rocket and when chris came out, he mentioned it, " so the guys from rocket tell me you are a good crowd." remember this guys--it makes sg happy if the audience is nice to their openers! our seats were excellent--right next to the stage, on ben's side. we could see chris, ben and kim very well, but unfortunately couldn't see matt at all. (at least i got to watch him on wed--in dc, i had a birds-eye view of the kit.) they all seemed to be having a good time. kim was def more playful than he had been in dc (though as greg reported, he did that guitar-behind-the-head trick in dc; in atlanta he played around with his guitar, gave us the obligatory feedback at the end, popped a beer after the set, and was also smoking on stage at one point--i don't why stupid stuff like that seems so cool, but it did. and chris was feeling better i think. at least he looked healthy to me! one thing he did a lot in dc which i forgot to mention was that he often rubbed his guitar up against his mike stand at the end of songs. he did this once in atlanta (and broke a string), but in dc he did it a lot. to those of you who subscribe to the guitars-as-substitute (-) theory, this was very sexual. oh! and in atlanta, he came on stage swinging his arm around like pete townsend! some of you have asked for visual details, so here are a few. chris was wearing a black long-sleeve shirt with the sleeves rolled up to the elbow and black pants (jeans?). kim was back to wearing his tool tee and black jeans. ben was wearing black pants (do we see a theme emerging here?) and a grey tee-shirt. yes ladies, he does have a nice bod. matt, as i said, was hidden from view, but i did catch him as he left the stage and he was wearing a red "muscle" tee. you know, no sleeves. he's a cutie (and an excellent master of rhythm as i said the other day.) the set list (not in order): rusty cage (dedicated to the "man in black") outshined (stupendous, highlight) slaves and bulldozers (great, but not like wed when it was a show highlight) jcp (the last song of the night) swmgec (the 2nd song) let me drown my wave (very intense--highlight for me) black days (beautiful) bhs (acoustic, as you know) spoonman (the opener, yum) pretty noose dusty (encore #1) ty cobb (very fun fuck you sing-a-long) butow (after the break, introduced by a variant on the mtv video for those of you who haven't seen it) burden (with vid outtakes in the background) no attention (which i like a lot more than i expected--they didn't do this one on wed.) helter skelter leading into boot camp and yes, they *did* play hands all over. it was way cool that they attempted it, but i thought this was the one time all night when chris' voice showed strain. :-( that is the way i remember the set--an hour and 45 minutes of craziness. feel free to correct me if i am wrong. also i don't remember drawing flies from dc, but i may have spaced. and in dc we had kickstand (which was great) and never the machine (but as i said above, not no attention or hands.) i am glad i flew down. it was cool to meet mariana and karen, though i was sorry to have not met the others (who also came from far away--north carolina.) by the way, thanks for calling yesterday afternoon jeremy, and dee dee, i tried to call your hotel this am at 10, but you all were already gone. oh well, we tried! that's it for now. have fun you all--and the girl that sold her nashville tix--she will regret it! soundgarden rock the world. thanks to my brother rich for procuring the tix. :-) laura ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: boo hiss At 08:03 PM 11/24/96 -0500, UnknownFan wrote: >it is possible that he was mad that rocket >had been booed off the stage. remember this guys--it makes sg happy if the >audience is nice to their openers! Yup, you just brought back a memory from Chicago which I dont remember anyone posting....on the first night, Chris dedicated a song to RFTC (cant remember for the life of me which one) and the crowd boooed (although i was cheering cuz i have always found RFTC amusing and always high-energy)....As the crowd booed, Chris looked pissed but Ben really went kind of nuts....(this is when DeeDee and I were in the crowd, so I could see it well). He flipped off the crowd a dozen times, pacing on the stage, screaming Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You, etc... Chris tried to continue his dedication by saying that RFTC were great troopers to travel all over with them, etc. but the crowd continued to boo and Ben continued to flame the world. I have noticed at concerts in the last bunch of years that it seems to be considered "cool" to boo most opening acts, kind of as a way of saying there is really only ONE band you wanna see and the rest can just go home....Well, i noticed both nights in Chicago that SG does NOT like this...they definitely have a lot of respect for their opening acts and seem to want the fans to be supportive of them....I guess what bothers me is that 90% of the people who were booing, probably didnt even see the RFTC show...they were just booing for booing's sake... now wondering about the development of the word "boo" as a sign of disapproval as opposed to something ghosts say.... eliza (obviously still delirous from the flu from hell) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I walk these streets alone, shadows hide my face My sins are etched in stone, never to erase My fears unshakeable, if I could believe I'd trade these wings of gold, for what I really need - --CC I really only had a few things They've all turned to tears One tried to kill me The other kept me here I'm still here... - --God Lives Underwater ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Stupid people, cool people, and SOMMS shirts. Some babbling moron wrote: >OH I LOVE SOUNDGARDEN!!!!!!!!! >HEY EVERYBODY THIS IS SHROOMGRLZ@AOL.COM: I >LOVE CHRIS CORNELL HE HAS SUCH A SEXY BODY I LOVE >YOU!!!!! I....LOVE...YOU!!!!!!!! Ummm... this guy is really perceptive, isn't he? Can't put anything past him. His parents must be SO proud. >FUCK YOU, YOU WORTHLESS PIECES OF SHIT AND YOUR >FUCKING WORTHLESS LIVES LIVING OFF THE FUCKING >INTERNET!!!!!!! HEY "DEEDEE" FUCK YOU!@!@ >OH ITS MICHAEL APPLE!! OMIGOD I LOVE SOUNDGARDEN!!!!!!!! Gee, I just love fan mail... don't you, DeeDee? ;-) This kid has definitely been taking the WRONG drugs. Heheheh... how pathetic is that? UnknownFan wrote: >also, shroom, chris lifted his shirt once and exposed his tummy--looked >skinny to me, but you know what they say about lanky men....:-) Mmmm... yeah, I think I've heard that one before. ;-) I like skinny guys, anyway. Hmmmm... I wonder if Chris will show us his sexy body at either of the TX shows?? (I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope...) Karen wrote: >And for Shroom, yes he was absolutely the hottest thing I >have ever seen in my entire life. I couldn't take me eyes off of him. Soul sister!! {{{{{{{{{{Karen}}}}}}}}}}}} Man, I can't wait until Tuesday and Wednesday. You guys probably won't hear from me until Thursday, though. I'm going to be driving from Houston to San Antonio and stay with a friend... and then to Austin the next day. So I won't be home until late late Wednesday night. Unless of course I meet Chris, he falls madly in love with me, and we run off to the Bahamas together to live with Nothingman and the shirt money. Then it might be awhile before I post again. ;-) In reference to the SOMMS merchandise... Dena (GeekGirl@aol.com) just called me from her work to let me know that once again the California phone lines are fucked up. She informed me that her phones are going to be down until FRIDAY... so that's unfortunately going to delay the shirt and hat distribution process. You can still snail-mail her, if you're super desperate for your shirts, though. She feels really bad about this and it's not her fault, so if anyone tries to give her a hard time about this... I'll have to hurt you. Badly. =) Gotta love me... One more thing. To all the Dallas SOMMSters... first of all, hope to bump into some of y'all at the Houston and Austin shows. Secondly... the Reverend Horton Heat and REO Speedealer will be at Trees this Saturday night. I know none of you will want to miss that show, right? =) The Rev always rules. Shroom "Your arms are out... and your bra is unbuttoned." ~ Chris Cornell (He actually said that, so I don't need a disclaimer this time. =)) ------------------------------ From: "Ella''" Subject: Atlanta show Hi everybody! I just came back from atl, as you must know by now the show was very good altough chris voice wasn't that great during the first songs; anyway it was a blessing that they cancelled any more shows, I hope he'll get better soon. Being on the floor I was really close to the stage :) and it was cool to meet laura and karen, we were shouting "deedee" and "jeremy" during the break between rftc and sg trying to find you guys; well at least we tryed. The group was great!, but the people wasn't that much. I'm sorry to say this, I guess it's that I'm used to another atittude from the crowd, not that passive...whatever. I'm very happy to has seen them twice now, but if they just played in mexico...that's our dream, no es cierto compatriotas? extranie mil nuestro ambiente!, en fin. Nos vemos Mariana ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Re: SG show in Seattle Keith writes: >Last thing, would you people happen to know if Guild is still selling their >SG copies (which Kim plays)? Guild re-released the '74 Guild S-100 some years back. Prices are extremely steep for a copy guitar though (which we can think Kim's popularity for) ranging from $600 - $800 American from what I've seen. Supposedly Guild had several calls about the S-100 after Kim did an article in some guitar magazine & they immediately sent it back to production (and placed a hefty price tag on it). It almost seems like you can get a real Gibson SG for slightly more... - -still in awe of spending an evening with Dick Dale last night- Ray (c: ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Re: SG Atlanta: Round 2! (long review) referrinf the to Atlanta set-list, laura listed: >bhs (acoustic, as you know) OK.. I've seen it again. Two people have claimed that 'Black Hole Sun' was done 'acoustically' at the Atlanta show. Did he really come out with an acoustic guitar? I saw them at Lolla & heard two recent boots & Chris played an electric (a Les Paul maybe, I forget)... Are you people just confusing terms around & meaning 'solo' instead? Ray (c: ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 315] ****************************************