From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 21 Nov 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:58:27 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 21 Nov 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu ***listadmin note: You're going to find a lot of flames in this digest that should have been kept private. Do me and everyone else a favor and do NOT reply to them unless you do it privately. Thanks. -seth Today's Topics: 'scuse me while i kiss this guy and other misheard lyrics... AND IN THIS CORNER... GRUNGE??!?!?!!?! Re: Soundgarden's future?? Chris solo Re: I miss Caryn... Musings it's going around.... Ticket for DC Michael Apple Re: I miss Caryn... Re: Unfairness on SNL? A higher power RE: What's this? I miss Caryn... Re: Caryn SOMMS effort to retrieve Ms. Rose... All kinds of groovy stuff... Re: SOMMS effort to retrieve Ms. Rose... There is a worm in my Apple! I've got an idea of something we can do with a gun... remember, i love you, love you... guys, really... Michael Apple Re: I miss Caryn... Re: I miss Caryn... Guidelines Apple this Apple that... Re: SOMMS effort to retrieve Ms. Rose... Re: Caryn Fruit and Flowers: The Last Word ChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChri AN APPLE SNATCHED FROM THE TREE IN THE GARDEN OF SOMMS Soundgarden's future?? johny cash on jay leno ARGH! Re: johny cash on jay leno RE: .....and other misheard lyrics... Re: johny cash on jay leno Re: I've got an idea of something we can do with a gun... Re: Chris solo DC Show..... Tuesday Night No-Music Club RE: sexual preferences; SG announced; division of the list? RE: sexual preferences; SG announced; division of the list? ------------------------------------------------------------ From: clmiller@mail.usachoice.net (Miller, Chris) Subject: 'scuse me while i kiss this guy and other misheard lyrics... Seth...I've got to hand it to you...you did a superb job on those concert pics. If you aren't a professional, then you SHOULD be! Kudos! To GeekGirl...I e-mailed you about the SOMMS shirts, but I haven't gotten a reply...if you are too busy, I understand, but please at least let me know here if you are getting my messages. tanx. Oh. . .btw. . .as soon as I can locate a scanner, I will be sending Seth an image file for the cover of "The Garden Grows". The front is a red-orange back drop with the band standing around in a semi-circle, looking up. In the center of their "circle" you can see a yellow splash in the floor as if something fell from the sky and splashed into the floor. The inside includes some band member shots and a full band enhanced-photo. There is also some interesting commentary on the band, its history, and their albums (esp. SuperUnknown). Just thought that you might be interested. . .so as soon as I get them scanned and sent I'll let you know. A spring tour for us Americans would be great! Maybe SG could play a little closer to Pittsburgh, PA this time??? I wish I could fly out of town to see them like some of you do, but college and my job don't allow the time. . .here's to dreaming. . . On the BIMH single (part 2), Chris says in his interview that SG covered "One Minute of Silence". Does anyone know if or where this is available? Curious George wants to know. BTW. . .I am all FOR sending our beloved Chris a get-well card. How do we do it? Could we just all send our well-wishing thoughts to the digest on a particular day and then Seth could forward it to Silver? I'm not sure. . .just a thought/suggestion. BTW. . .again. . .someone mentioned something the other day that kind of struck a chord with me. . .someone had mentioned SOMETHING about the ambiguity of Chris's sexuality. Now, I know that he is married, but I was wondering how many of you SOMMSTERS would still feel the same way about him and/or the band if he suddenly announced that he were gay? One reason that I'm asking is that I did a research project on visibility and acceptance of homosexuality for psych, and when those references were made (at least I THINK they were) the other day, that kind of just wormed its way out of my head and into the keyboard. You can e-mail me or post. . .(unless Seth would object. . .I hope that this isn't TOO far off topic). . .please explain why you feel what you do. Thanks to all who reply! ------------------------------ From: The Shogun Woo Subject: AND IN THIS CORNER... I am not a great contributor to this list. In fact, the only thing I've done so far is reply to other's posts. I like reading about everyone's experiences and knowlegde dealing with SG. HOWEVER, I do not want to read about fights between members. That's personal. There is no need for me to hear that the almighty Appleman has so much more knowledge than everyone else, and I don't care to hear other's replies. Keep shit to yourself. If you have a real problem, go find the problem and beat it's ass. Otherwise, shut-up. Sorry to write this, Seth, others. I'll go back to my hole now. all replies will not be erased! shogun "...cruise on by the frowners, float, follow me now with a smile..." 311 ------------------------------ From: "stella" Subject: GRUNGE??!?!?!!?! Ok this is pissing me off just a little bit. I usually stay quiet about these things but I can't take any more of the G word. Michael Apple, since you are in a "grunge band" (notice quotations meaning I'm quoting you. That's what they're for!)I guess you hail from Seattle and wear lots of flannel, since that is basically what "grunge" is all about. We've talked about it on the list before. None of us (except you apparently) consider Soundgarden a "grunge" band. The "grunge" scene isn't about music, its about what those media schmucks consider trendy for a season. I guess you got the habit from reading your "320 periodicals". All responses to this letter will be read first THEN erased :) Have a nice day! stella ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: Re: Soundgarden's future?? AMMENDOZA@SCUACC.SCU.EDU wrote: > > the other day i was discussing the history of music with my friends. > we were talking about the obvious fact that the style of music always > tends to change with each new decade. it is also very rare for a band > in one decade to be successful in the next decade. then i got to > thinking: will soundgarden be one of those bands who transcends the > decades and entertains the next generation as it did ours, or is there > future numbered in years??? 1st) Sorry for the Apple controversy... :) 2nd) Ahh!! It is a reality that music styles seem to fluctuate decade wise. However, we are talking about *popular* culture here. In pop culture things go in and out like, well... (Shroom, help me out with a metaphor here :)). Anyway, it seems that REAL art has a sense of *true originality* that transcends popular trends. I consider SG as one of, if not *the* most original musical artists of our generation along with the "N" band... SG falls in the ranks of Zeppelin, the Beatles, and even Johnny Cash all in respect to their time and genre's. It's the concept of *true originality* that comes through in art that distinguishes the Originators from the Followers. The fact is that SG's widespread popularity may fade as the trends change, but only time will tell if SG's music will stand up as transcendent art and not fall into the ranks of a passing fad. I would contend for the former. I just wonder what the next musical revolution will offer. I wonder if I will hate what my kids listen to? Hmmm... Later, Taylor ------------------------------ From: "stella" Subject: Chris solo I just picked up the Details (yeah I know, kinda late) and on the cover it says "First solo interview". Is that true? I could have sworn Rolling Stone did a solo interview. It was in one of their Year in Review or whatevers. I don't know what issue it was but its the only magazine I have besides Spin and Details. Anyways, point being, this Details interview couldn't be the "first solo interview". stella ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: I miss Caryn... To what tayor said: DITTO Lance "In words I'll never find" ------------------------------ From: Karen Lane Subject: Musings In reply to clmiller's question pertaining to our attitudes toward Chris's sexuality - I would feel the same about the band. The music drew me in before I ever actually saw them. Once I saw them on video I was fascinated with their attitude as much as their looks. (Don't get me wrong. I think Chris is the most attractive man I have ever seen). Ultimately it is the music and I would say mostly the lyrics which make the difference. However, I can't help but wonder if the lyrics, music and entire dynamic of the band wouldn't be completely different if Chris, or any of them, were gay... just thoughts. Afflict the Comfortable Comfort the Afflicted ------------------------------ From: "Wilson Vanessa Faye" Subject: Hi, everyone. Please do the rain dance for Chris' sake...I'm praying the show is still on tonite and the rest of the week... - -I'd blow it to hell and back (Chris Cornell) vanessa (vfwilson@catawba.edu) ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: it's going around.... well today is a very sad day for me....i am stuck in bed with a nasty flu and had to cancel my business trip to D.C. which means I can't got to see SG tonight and meet all the D.C. Sommsters....wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Hope you guys have an *amazing* time....and Jamie, i hope you feel better too! Hmmmm, if anyone is thinking it, no we did *not* get Mr. Cornell sick, but maybe he passed it to us in that small dressing room ;-) on another note, did anyone see Johnny Cash on Jay Leno? I passed out and missed it...i am wondering what songs he did??? back to bed, eliza ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I walk these streets alone, shadows hide my face My sins are etched in stone, never to erase My fears unshakeable, if I could believe I'd trade these wings of gold, for what I really need ------------------------------ Subject: Ticket for DC From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) Since our S.I.S. Eliza is not able to attend tonight show here in DC. I have an extra ticket. Anyone out there who can make it here is welcome to it... Jamie (Village Idiot/SOMMs Mom) BTW: No I did not give Chris my cold - he gave it to me... PS: Do I miss constant bitching, backing stabbing, rude behavior, I'm right your wrong, sour grapes, rules by someone other than Seth, and bad attitude - yes just like I miss a bad tooth.. ------------------------------ From: CAMPBELLCG@bvu.edu Subject: Michael Apple Sir Taylor and Sir Lance, I concur. I belive we got a post from Sir Apple addressing the face that we tend to stray from the normal band chit chat and actually express our feelings. But somehow he always manages to slip in a little something about his damn band. I mean I like to hear about everyone, but every post? Ah, well, it gives me something to laugh about. To sir Apple, all responses from you will be erased. Now, to be quick. If Chris Cornell, or any member for that matter, were gay it would have little or no effect on my love for the band or the music. In fact, I think it would be a good thing. It might alienate some of the fans that they wouldn't want. I mean really, how good of a fan can you be if the sexual prefrence of on of the members effects how you hear the message? speaking out of my ass and through a syphon while all three of my arms are tied around my neck with one of those twisty ties,(which makes typing difficult i might add). :), biff ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: I miss Caryn... Date sent: 20-NOV-1996 10:26:32 >MICHAEL APPLE wrote: > >> I could easily leave ALL the posts out and the >> book wouldn't be hurt by it at all. > >Oh, Mercy... > >Yes, although we disagreed in some areas, I miss what Caryn would have >replied to this ignorant piece of email... Who gives a shit about Caryn? The only thing that happened when she was on the list the same time as me, was that she misinterpreted a post from a guy who joins the list >2 weeks ago, posts 15 times a day and mostly talks about his "grunge >rock" band and his Kim Thayil biography, I wouldn't expect much more >than the obvious reality disallusionment as expressed in this and many >of Mr. Apple's posts. Is there something wrong with me talking about my GRUNGE ROCK BAND ( notice that there are no quotes, you dipshit) and my Kim Thayil Biography? There is no reality disallusionment. However, I do sense something off of you. It's jealousy that I've been published dozens of times for fiction, nonfiction, and poetry, have a released EP, and am now gaining the historical distinction of writing a biography on Kim Thayil, the most highly accomplished grunge guitarist in the history of the music. I pity you and your little pinheaded barbarian comments. >It's obvious who has the ego problem here, Mr. >Apple. Believing that most people here give a rat's ass about having >their name in your Kim Thayil book or how SG relates to your "grunge >rock" band" is rediculous... Hey, if someone offered to put my name in a book on a musician I liked (because of experiences meeting that person) I would be honored. If you don't like it, fuck off, but you CANNOT speak for everyone else on the list . Who do you think you are? The list spokesman? That's Seth!!!! :) J/K As for my band, I CAN say how Soundgarden relates to us. Soundgarden is one of the main influences to my GRUNGE ROCK BAND (notice no quotes). I can understand why they'd react certain ways to things, because I am a musician and often react the things the same way. If you had read 350 periodical articles, 22 books, and assorted journals on Soundgarden (including 46 interviews), you would be able to make better analysises about their behavior too. Often, on the list, I explain their feelings on their fans, I take it directly from the source: the interviews themselves. So, don't pretend that I don't know what I'm doing. >>All responses to this message are being erased. > >what a *baby*... YOU are calling ME a baby? Let me explain it to you this way. When I make a comment like that on a mail list like this one, I will receive approximately 12 million emails in response, usually from idiots like yourself, Taylor, all of which whine and swear and make rude comments, instead of intelligently discussing the comment I made. I don't have the time or patience to deal with that crap, so I just tell everyone that all responses to the particular message will be erased. And don't tell me not to make the comment, because things like that must be said sometimes. You have to inform people of things sometimes, and others may respond to your message in a hostile manner. Normally, I avoid swearing in posts to the list, but in this case I've made an exception because you are an asshole. If you had sent your original response to me PERSONALLY instead of making a scene, then this wouldn't have happened. But, now I've had to go publicly to answer your charges. Thanks a lot, you dickface. All responses to this are getting erased too, because I really don't care about anyone's reactions to this. (Go talk to Taylor about it.) Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: Lauren Simonis Subject: Re: Unfairness on SNL? Accoridng to an interview I heard with Chris, he said "It just seemed like the right time." I'm not sure exactly what that means, but perhaps it had something to do with the new album . . . Also, SG was told that supposedly Jim Carrey wouldn't do the show if SG didn't play it. Chris didn't really eleaborate on whether or not that had much to do with the decision. On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, stella wrote: > SNL has been asking Soundgarden for years to be on the show, but > they kept on saying no. Who knows why they finally agreed. > > > To: somms@MIT.EDU > > Subject: Unfairness on SNL? > > From: black_hole_sun@juno.com (Justin ABCDE) > > Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:55:59 EST > > > Why did on the last SNL (11/16/96) Fiona Apple get on? She's been around > > for about a month, right? Now, Soundgarden just got on a few months ago, > > but they have been around about 10 years now, right? Hmm...... > > > > > --- > srogers@fix.net > http://www.fix.net/~srogers > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1534 > "Not only is life a bitch, but its always having puppies" > > ------------------------------ From: CAMPBELLCG@bvu.edu Subject: A higher power Ok, the lord contacted me today and told me that we should let Mike Apple say whatever he wants because he is obviously a higher intelect with 230whogivesashit some odd published papers and a grunge*BAND!!* In fact, God also told me that we should pay homage to Mike, because it was obvious to God that Mike would some day take over his position. the suddenly religious because Mike Apple is the savior and we are just pawns in his little game and I don't want to go to applehell so I better be good biff Anyway, on to better things like the band. If you haven't seen the pics of sommsfest by Seth, go directly there now. Do not pass go, etc. Ok, now I assume the rest of you have seen them since we have dispursed with those that haven't. Aren't they absolutely goergous? The lighting is spectacular. Great job(again)Seth. walking like a man but talking in some form of whale calling biff ------------------------------ From: Cornell Subject: RE: What's this? HEy all, I'm about 1000 mail messages deep here, and am working my way through them. Just wanted to say how jealous I am of all you guys who got tickets to the tour..(not to mention those who got to MEET SG). Anyway, I'm going to the Electric Factory on the 23rd to see tool, and it will be cool just to say "Damn. SG was here 2 days ago" Anyway, does anyone have a tab to "Fluttergirl"? I'd love to learn how to play it. For all you musicians: Does SG inspire you in any waY? I know Matt inspires me to improve my drumming (though I will never reach his level), but How about when it comes to writing stuff? Just wondering Gregg On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, eliza wrote: > >What's this about Kim not talking to you guys at the Chicago concert? Was > he ill of something? I have trouble seeing Kim do that. Ben, sure, but > Kim... that's strange. Maybe it was because his dad was there and he > didn't want any distractions. > > Yes, i definitely think it was because his family was there....it was much more than his dad - lots of friends and family cuz he was in Chicago....He was the first one out, so he was not AT ALL rude, he just was hurrying to go deal with his family. He talked to the second group more. As for Ben, well he was not in a social mood for our group, but hung out with the 2nd group so who knows? i think he is psychic, somehow he knew the second group was full of all the Seattle people who were at the Hater show and wanted to talk to him about it!!! (i'll save that scoop for them ;-) > > >I'm glad that all you guys didn't act like total fanboys in front of > Chris and Matt. > > Um, i don't think anyone would guess we would have.....we all love the band for some very deep reasons - not because they are teen idols and we are star struck.....The Chicago Sommsfest consisted of some of the most wonderful, mature, devoted, and AWESOME people I have ever met, and i think that is why we continued to get the amazing treatment we got.....I hope that *noone* on this list would be a psycho fan in front of this band - they are WAY too cool and normal and nice and they deserve and command a TON of respect........ if you treat them well, they (obviously) treat you well back,,,, > > Counting down the days till D.C. to do this all again! > eliza > ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: I miss Caryn... MICHAEL APPLE wrote: > I could easily leave ALL the posts out and the > book wouldn't be hurt by it at all. Oh, Mercy... Yes, although we disagreed in some areas, I miss what Caryn would have replied to this ignorant piece of email... from a guy who joins the list 2 weeks ago, posts 15 times a day and mostly talks about his "grunge rock" band and his Kim Thayil biography, I wouldn't expect much more than the obvious reality disallusionment as expressed in this and many of Mr. Apple's posts. It's obvious who has the ego problem here, Mr. Apple. Believing that most people here give a rat's ass about having their name in your Kim Thayil book or how SG relates to your "grunge rock" band" is rediculous... I wonder how long you read the list to get a feel, before your first post? Ugghh... >All responses to this message are being erased. what a *baby*... Later, Taylor ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Re: Caryn > >Oh yeah, I heard from Seth this morning that Caryn Rose unsubscribed > >from the list. Hmm. As much as I disagreed with her I still respected her. > >I am going to miss her. (Did I just say that?) She definitely had a > >"presence" on here and when I saw no posts from her all week, I knew > >something was up. What do you all think about it? > > > >Vincent > > I didn't know Caryn personally, I hardly emailed her personally, but I can > say that I do miss her posts. She seemed to have an air of a "SOMMS > veteran", if there is such a thing... > > RoseeMisst Out of respect for Caryn I think that any discussion about her reasons for unsubbing should be directed to her personally. This is hardly appropriate for the list. If you need her email address email me and I will give it to you. Kathie ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: SOMMS effort to retrieve Ms. Rose... This may sound crazy, being that I argued with Caryn (I also agreed often, though!!), but if anyone is interested in trying to make an effort to retrieve Caryn back to the list, please let me know so we can toss over some ideas... It's not good to lose a valuable SOMMS contibutor due to some conflicts in opinions - at least we can make amends... Let me know... Later, Taylor ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: All kinds of groovy stuff... First off, about the SG sexuality question... I don't think there's anything in the world that could make me feel differently about Soundgarden's music than I do right now. It's one of the most important things in the world to me, and it's affected my life to such an extreme... I'm eternally indebted to SG for sharing their art with the world. Without their music, I never would have met some of my grooviest friends... such as Dena (my SiCA), Vikki (my hero), or Aaron (my favorite angel). If Chris suddenly decided he was gay... first I'd feel REALLY bad for Susan, and probably send her flowers or something. And secondly, I'd start a campaign to hook Chris up with Dave Navarro. ;-) Hey, it's worth a shot right?? >On the BIMH single (part 2), Chris says in his interview that SG covered >"One Minute of Silence". Does anyone know if or where this is >available? Curious George wants to know. Curious George should go pick up SG's first album (released on SST)... Ultramega OK. =) "Beyond The Wheel" is one of their best songs... Sorry to hear that you're sick, Eliza. It must be pretty bad to keep you home from a SG show! Hope you feel better tomorrow. =) On to the Apple controversy... Michael, you have got to be the most unjustifiably arrogant kid I've ever had the displeasure of coming in contact with. You wrote: >If you had read 350 periodical articles, 22 books, and assorted >journals on Soundgarden (including 46 interviews), you would be able to >make better analysises about their behavior too. Often, on the list, I >explain their feelings on their fans, I take it directly from the source: >the interviews themselves. So, don't pretend that I don't know what I'm >doing. Exaggerate much, kiddo? 22 books? Care to put a name to them all? Hmmm... so you're able to explain SG's feelings to their fans, because you know the band through their interviews?? Why did I hear the theme music to "Psycho" when I read that? Darn it, I'M supposed to be the list psycho... but it seems that I'm being upstaged by Mr. Apple. (Ok, I guess I can live with that. Just keep your eyes off my list hootchie title.) Well, I must say... I can't wait to read this book of yours, Mikey. It's sure to prove... amusing. And I'm certain that Kim's just going to be THRILLED with it. Make sure that when you meet Kim you tell him he's "the most accomplished GRUNGE guitarist in the history of music." And put his reaction in the book, too. Hey, why don't you get pictures to accompany it? ;-) Shroom "Aaron, I think that Heather Mifflin can wait. There's a REAL problem that the KTMS needs to deal with right now... " ~ Kim Thayil (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: Cynthia Siragusa Subject: Re: SOMMS effort to retrieve Ms. Rose... Taylor Holmes wrote: > > This may sound crazy, being that I argued with Caryn (I also agreed > often, though!!), but if anyone is interested in trying to make an > effort to retrieve Caryn back to the list, please let me know It's not good to lose a valuable SOMMS > contibutor due to some conflicts in opinions - at least we can make > amends... > Let me know... Later, Taylor Yes, conflicts of opinion make for great intelligent discussions. However, Ms. Rose is much more inclined to ranting and personal insults. I do NOT miss that, nor her CONSTANTLY twisting people's words around so she could commence confrontations and further whatever personal adgenda she has. She also appeared to think she was ruler or mediator (instigator is more like it) of this list. I vote NO. She's very knowledgable; no one says she is not. However, her volatility and manic episodes contributed nothing to this list, but created many hard feelings. Cyn ------------------------------ From: bbecker@mecasw.com Subject: There is a worm in my Apple! I think someone is just looking for some attention..... So as Mr. Cornell put it "I'll pay no attention" cause I'm "Drawing flies" and the "Wreck is going down.........you know the rest...." ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: I've got an idea of something we can do with a gun... I'm sorry to do this on the list people, but Michael Apple only accepts email from me as harassment. MICHAEL APPLE wrote: > Who gives a shit about Caryn? The only thing that happened when she > was on the list the same time as me, was that she misinterpreted a post sent to the list, made an ass out of herself, stayed quiet for a while then > left. For your information, lots of people care about Caryn's membership on the list. The question is, who gives a flying-fuck about your membership on the list? You have offered practically nothing to this list. How long have you been on the list, you moron? Caryn has been on the list since the beginning. Do you really think her leaving the list had anything to do with you? I'm sure she must have been so affected by your presence on the list. She knew she was in over her head when you joined the list. You're so smart > And who are you calling ignorant? Name the highest number you know, > and I know that number cubed more times information than you about anything > in existence. Very eloquent. Wow. You are too smart. I think we should all unsubscribe since, none of us could possibly connect on an intellectual level with that. > Is there something wrong with me talking about my GRUNGE ROCK BAND ( FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME!!! THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR TALKING ABOUT YOUR GRUNGE BAND. NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT IT. THIS IS THE SOUNDGARDEN MAILING LIST. How can I express it any clearer? I already spelled it out for you in private email, more than once. But you don't get it. What is wrong with you? My guess would be, some kind of serious frontal injury. I would recommend a visit to a neuropsychologist immediately. > notice that there are no quotes, you dipshit) and my Kim Thayil Biography? > There is no reality disallusionment. However, I do sense something off of > you. It's jealousy that I've been published dozens of times for fiction, > nonfiction, and poetry, have a released EP, and am now gaining the > historical distinction of writing a biography on Kim Thayil, the most > highly accomplished grunge guitarist in the history of the music. > I pity you and your little pinheaded barbarian comments. Here he goes again. You are so much better than everyone else. You're so smart, you're so accomplished, everyone's so jealous...blah, blah, blah. You sound like you're jerking off to a picture of yourself right now. > Hey, if someone offered to put my name in a book on a musician I liked > (because of experiences meeting that person) I would be honored. If you > don't like it, fuck off, but you CANNOT speak for everyone else on the list > . Who do you think you are? The list spokesman? That's Seth!!!! :) J/K > As for my band, I CAN say how Soundgarden relates to us. Soundgarden > is one of the main influences to my GRUNGE ROCK BAND (notice no quotes). I > can understand why they'd react certain ways to things, because I am a > musician and often react the things the same way. > If you had read 350 periodical articles, 22 books, and assorted > journals on Soundgarden (including 46 interviews), you would be able to I'd like to see your bibliography, if it exists. Why don't you post it to the list? It would at least be a useful post, for once. Honestly, a post listing the source of evrything you claim to have read, would be one of the most significant posts to this mailing list, in my opinion. A post like that would actually gain you some respect. Right now, you have none of mine. > make better analysises about their behavior too. Often, on the list, I > explain their feelings on their fans, I take it directly from the source: > the interviews themselves. So, don't pretend that I don't know what I'm > doing. There's only one logical reponse to this. What the fuck are you talking about? > Let me explain it to you this way. When I make a comment like that on > a mail list like this one, I will receive approximately 12 million emails > in response, usually from idiots like yourself, Taylor, all of which whine > and swear and make rude comments, instead of intelligently discussing the > comment I made. When you make a comment like that to the list and say you won't read any responses to it, it means you are a moron. If you were half as intelligent as you say you are, you would respond to each response, maintaining your argument. It's obviously that when you claim at the outset that you will not respond to a message that you are not competent or intelligent enough to respond. You can't debate someone, so you speak with your mind closed. Again, I apologize profusely to the list for this un-Soundgarden-related rant. I promiseit will not happen again. In light of apple's comments, especially those about Caryn, I felt the need to respond. Sincerely, Geoff ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: remember, i love you, love you... biff writes: > Now, to be quick. If Chris Cornell, or any member for that matter, >were gay it would have little or no effect on my love for the band or the >music. In fact, I think it would be a good thing. It might alienate some of >the fans that they wouldn't want. I mean really, how good of a fan can you be >if the sexual prefrence of on of the members effects how you hear the message? so true biff. when i listen to SG, i'm not listening to the heterosexual chris cornell, matt cameron, kim thayil, and ben shepherd... i'm listening to SG. i don't care if any of them are gay, i have friends that are gay. it doesn't bother me one bit. and it shouldn't. so, now that i've posted a dumb post and can't think of what i started saying, i'm gonna stop. :) later, mind riot ____ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i'm tied within i'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: guys, really... hey SOMMSters.. i have a request. can you please stop brooding over Caryn's disappearence publicly? it just doesn't really interest me when half my mail is titled "i miss caryn." sure, she was a SOMMSter and i'm sure some of us will miss her... but she's gone. if you still want to talk SG with her, then e-mail her privately and tell her how much you miss her. please keep it off the list... PHILADELPHIA IS TOMORROW!!!! 2 1/2 months of waiting for a 4 hour show... :) mind riot ____ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i'm tied within i'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Chris_Arthur@brahms2.tivoli.com Subject: Michael Apple Jeez, I've never read so many complaints regarding one person in one day. Just because Mr. Apple is an accomplished writer and skin flutist, and he voiced his opinions is no reason to downplay the immense contributions that he is making to the worlds of both music and literature. If everybody could just focus on the real meaning of this mailing list and let dear Michael lick balls in peace, then maybe we all might get to hear about the band that we all seem to love and not give this guy so much undeserved publicity! P.S. Nov. 27th, Austin Tx. is the time and the place, I'm so looking forward to it that I'm jumping out of my skin!!!!! ------------------------------ From: Karen Lane Subject: Re: I miss Caryn... Michael Apple wrote: "(including 46 interviews), you would be able to make better analysises about their behavior too." "Analysises"? I hope you have a really good proof reader and editor. ------------------------------ From: "ARIE ELMALEH" I was at the Soudgarden show in Toronto, Canada, and it was amazing! I was up at the front, and all of a sudden, Chris came down and was bodysurfing piss-drunk. He was right on top of me. When he got out of the pit, he started to hug me really tight, for about ten seconds. I thought that was really awesome. Anyway, in the middle of the concert, Ben smashes his guitar into little pieces, probably because the spotlight was on Chris and not on him. It made him look insanely jealous. I just thought that was really childish of Ben to smash up his bass. Michelle ------------------------------ From: Matthew Santry Subject: Re: I miss Caryn... On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Karen Lane wrote: > Michael Apple wrote: > "(including 46 interviews), you would be able to > make better analysises about their behavior too." > > > "Analysises"? I hope you have a really good proof reader and editor. Let's talk Karen (one sexy girl to one sexy guy) :) ------------------------------ From: DeeDee Bradshaw-Autry Subject: Guidelines ANYBODY REMEMBER THIS????? ANYONE NOTICE HOW POSTS ARE NOT REFLECTING COMPLIANCE WITH THIS???? >Please read this! > >The following are some guidelines for ensuring your stay at the SOMMS >Hotel is a pleasant one and that you don't piss of the other guests or >the people at the Front Desk: > >1) Have you already sent 4 messages to the list today? If so, >seriously consider getting treatment for Nothingman Syndrome. That is, >if you for some reason feel compelled to publicly and separately >answer every piece of mail that comes down the chute, think twice >before firing off yet another reply to all of us. Private mail has its >merits. > >2) Are you responding to a thread that died 6 days ago because you >just now got around to checking your email? If so, think about whether >you really want to rekindle the fire or if you just want to see your >name in the digest. > >2a) Are you responding to a thread that died six days ago and is not >Soundgarden-related? If so, think about whether or not you really want >to be taken off the SOMMS Hotel guest list. > >3) Are you quoting a 3-page message and adding one new line of your >own? If so, why don't you go back and delete all of the quoted message >except the relevant portions? > >3a) Are you quoting the entire digest and sending it back to the list? >If so, why don't you go back and delete all of the quoted digest >except the relevant portions? (Note: failure to comply with this >guideline is grounds for eviction from the hotel) > >4) Are you sending a message about "moshing," "Seattle," or the >"industry" without specific relevance to Soundgarden? If so, the >bellboy can help you with your bags. > > >seth >Hotel Concierge > ******************************************************************************** Dee Dee Bradshaw-Autry "Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing..." TOOL "This is what it looks like, this is what is feels like, this is what it tastes like...this is what you've done to me..." Stabbing Westward "Be careful with me...I am fragile. Im a bitch babe...and Im on fire" Garbage http://www.infochase.com/ent/deedee/index.html ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Natalie De Rojas Subject: Apple this Apple that... Last time i checked you guys, we are all entitled to our opinion. So what if Michael rambles on about his band and about his work...maybe he's just proud of his achievements...let the guy be!....as far as him saying what he did about caryn, well, the only reason why he shouldn't say anything is because she cannot defend herself,...but you all have to admit that she was a bitch,...she was, is a veteran, and a very knowledgeable person,...but she flamed everybody without good reason, and now shes gone..so deal with it,...get over it, and let Apple be.....she's gone, and he's in! Laters, IF THERE IS A NEED TO FLAME ME DO IT PRIVATELY, PLEASE!!! Natalie ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: SOMMS effort to retrieve Ms. Rose... i must agree with cynthia. varyn responded to everything as though it was aimed directly at her, and if she didn't like the content or tone, she took it as a personal affront, and rarely did she ever resort to private e-amil when it came to flames. i can't say i miss anything about her being on the list, i didn't think she was a very positive person, despite all her admonitions against people and their negativity. now if shroom ever left, the list would certainly die of boredom... http://pages.prodigy.com/hearsch/dan1.htm ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: Re: Caryn >> >Oh yeah, I heard from Seth this morning that Caryn Rose unsubscribed >> >from the list. Hmm. As much as I disagreed with her I still respected her. >> >I am going to miss her. (Did I just say that?) She definitely had a >> >"presence" on here and when I saw no posts from her all week, I knew >> >something was up. What do you all think about it? >> > >> >Vincent >> >> I didn't know Caryn personally, I hardly emailed her personally, but I can >> say that I do miss her posts. She seemed to have an air of a "SOMMS >> veteran", if there is such a thing... >> >> RoseeMisst > >Out of respect for Caryn I think that any discussion about her reasons >for unsubbing should be directed to her personally. This is hardly >appropriate for the list. If you need her email address email me and I >will give it to you. > >Kathie Hey, Caryn was a SOMMSter. Therefore, she is related to the Unofficial Soundgarden Homepage. I doubt anyway that she will be discussed at length. She added a particular flavor to the page that really isn't here anymore. I'm not upset, but thanks for the post anyway. Any comments, seth? RoseeMisst ------------------------------ Subject: Fruit and Flowers: The Last Word From: seth Apple: he's no longer on the list, by his own will, so stop talking about him. Email him privately if you have something to say. Rose: she's no longer on the list, by her own will, so stop talking about her. Email her privately if you have something to say. Word of the day and possible inspiration for future posts: Soundgarden. seth (listadmin) ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: ChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChris I don't suppose that any of the SOMMSters who attended the Chicago festival and met Mister Christopher managed to detect what kind of cologne the man wears... did y'all?? NO ONE SNIFFED THE MAN?!? And you people call yourselves FANS?? Don't you know that the word "fan" is short for FANATIC?? AAAUUUGGHHH!!! Oops, ummm... 'scuse me. It's the lack of drugs. =) Ummm... just kidding about that. ;-) Someone on the SG newsgroup misunderstood one of my posts there, and took it upon themselves to write and give *me* a lecture about Chris Cornell. ME! The SOMMS "what would you do if you found CC laying unconscious in a field" hootchie!! Try to control yourselves, people. I've got the situation well under control, so don't worry. Just thought I'd let you know that. I know you were dying to hear all about it. ;-) Heheheh... One more thing that made me *really really* mad the other day was a post that I read on one of the AOL SG message boards. I know, you people don't wanna hear about it... but I'm gonna tell you anyway. Maybe someone can give me some suggestions on how to deal with it. A girl posted the following: >I love Chris Cornell. He is so fine. The people where I live aren't interested >but one. She is my best friend. That damn Chris is married. If I meet his >wife I might have to shoot her in her head. I already wrote her a nasty note, and reported her to AOL... but what I'd really like to do is hunt her down and smack the hell out of her. =) Sorry folks. Just venting. If anyone wants to write her a little note, feel free to drop me a line and I'll happily provide her e-mail address to you. I would post it to the list, but that would just be wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG!! (AceAMC@aol.com) I didn't just type that. =) Dan the Pop-Tart man wrote: >now if shroom ever left, the list would certainly die of boredom... Awww... ... I love you, too! Thanks Dan! As long as there is a Soundgarden and a Chris Cornell (and Chris' sexy body)... I will continue to proudly serve as your list hootchie and official SOMMS psycho. =) SONG OF THE DAY: "Exit Stonehenge" REASON: Love it when Chris uses the words "my penis" in songs. TOMORROWS SONG OF THE DAY: "Big Dumb Sex" REASON: Heheheh... Shroomy As the SOMMS shirts and hats have been such a popular item on the list (all hail Dena, the mighty shirt princess and blessed SOMMS goddess... and NO thanks to Nothingman, who more than lived up to his name)... we have decided to partake on another adventure in SOMMS merchandise. Future items available: - - Kim Thayil beer steins (the first bottomless cup-o-beer!) - - The book "How to do the Gumby-rena" written by Ben Shepherd (Learn Seattle's latest dance craze... a favorite of bassist's everywhere!) - - Matt Cameron's sexy line of lingerie (Now you can wear the same droopy boxers as your favorite drummer!) - - Eddie Vedder platform shoes (ok, it's not SOMMS related... but the poor guy is so tiny, I thought I'd plug his stuff here, too. I'm nice like that.) and a couple of my personal favorites: - - Chris Cornell flavored lip gloss (Are you still taking ideas, Frank?? Heheheh...) - - Soundgarden pop-up books (Remember those nifty books from your childhood? Well, now you can read about your favorite band in a fun new way. Also available early next year: SG X-rated pop-up books. ;-) A must for the completely obsessed.) Heheheh... ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: AN APPLE SNATCHED FROM THE TREE IN THE GARDEN OF SOMMS WOW! All of a sudden everyone has balls! Really, the Apple-flaming is amusing, but please guys, don't let it get out of hand. I'd express my opinions too, but I would only be contributing to the flaming. RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: AMMENDOZA@SCUACC.SCU.EDU Subject: Soundgarden's future?? the other day i was discussing the history of music with my friends. we were talking about the obvious fact that the style of music always tends to change with each new decade. it is also very rare for a band in one decade to be successful in the next decade. then i got to thinking: will soundgarden be one of those bands who transcends the decades and entertains the next generation as it did ours, or is there future numbered in years??? it doesn't appear that they are ready to break up anytime soon, and there music, in my opinion continues to get better. but how long do you think they will be able to continue as we are quickly approachin a new decade and a new style of mainstream music? I am curious to here some opinions. Anthony PS. Get better, Chris!!! The Oakland show isn't too far away. ------------------------------ From: Josh_Garza@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Josh Garza) Subject: johny cash on jay leno I've seen this written a couple times about Johny Cash being on Jay Leno(dave rulez), but i watched yesterday (tuesday) and they said someone like barry manilow was the guest.. so did i miss it, did it actually happen, or is he gonna be on the show sometime later in the week? just wondering, i heard his version of Rusty Cage about a couple weeks ago, when some fan of johny cash called into the radio station and asked " this song rusty cage that has been getting alot of airplay, i heard it is a song by a 'soundgarden'?" so they went into the corny radio thing and played the SG version backto back with the Johny Cash version. when i first heard it with the sort of monotone voice i almost laughed cuz it seemed almost like a parody of the song at first, but it is actually not that bad for a country song, you know. i like it, even though i really do not listen to any country at all. so thought it would be interesting to see him maybe play it on tv. and with my last rambling note, exactly a week after soundgarden will probably play rusty cage here in austin, johny cash will at his show in austin. !!!!!ahhhhhhh less than a week till soundgarden showwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - -pencapchew - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: ARGH! PEOPLE! are you that forgetful? how many times has seth said that if you want to unsub, WRITE DIRECTLY TO HIM!?! please start doing this, it's kinda buggy when you go to read a message titled "Internet Message" and all it says is "UNSUBSCRIBE!" wow, i complained a bit too much today. maybe it's cause i'm sick and have a BAD cough and i'm still going to see SG tomorrow anyway. i'm taking a camera so seth, if it doesn't get taken away from me (the Factory said no cameras... hee hee) i'll have some pics for you. if i do get pics, do i have to check with Susan before i'm allowed to scan them for you? anyways, to unsub e-mail SAPERL@MIT.EDU!!!! not SOMMS@MIT.EDU... thank you and good nite... mind riot (ecstatic about tomorrow!) ____ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i'm tied within i'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Cynthia Siragusa Subject: Re: johny cash on jay leno Josh Garza wrote: > > I've seen this written a couple times about Johny Cash being on Jay Leno(dave > rulez), but i watched yesterday (tuesday) and they said someone like barry > manilow was the guest.. so did i miss it, did it actually happen, or is he > gonna be on the show sometime later in the week? Yeah, I tuned in last night and Barry Manilow was on, so when was Johnny there? Cash is so cool; I've loved him since I was a kid (more evidence of my latent hickiness). Cyn "Close the door and pull the shades and climb the walls." ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: .....and other misheard lyrics... Chris Miller wrote: >>BTW. . .again. . .someone mentioned something the other day that kind = of struck a chord with me. . .someone had mentioned SOMETHING about the ambiguity of Chris's sexuality. Now, I know that he is married, but I was wondering how many of you SOMMSTERS would still feel the same way about him and/or the band if he suddenly announced that he were gay? >>. . .please explain why you feel what you do. Thanks to all who = reply! Speaking from my point of view, I couldn't give a fig if Chris were gay = or not. YES! Believe it or not, there ARE some female members on this = list who DON'T lust after the great man!! ;-) {I have my own sexy = husband to lust after, thank you very much!} I like Soundgarden's music = - - what any of the band members choose to do in their personal lives is = no business of mine. =20 Carolyn the Muted Froth I'm so happy, cos today I found my friends - they're in my = head.......Nirvana ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: Re: johny cash on jay leno >>Yeah, I tuned in last night and Barry Manilow was on, so when was >>Johnny there? Cash is so cool; I've loved him since I was a kid (more >>evidence of my latent hickiness). Well, i read he was gonna be on last night...nice reliable Ohio rag papers, huh? Maybe tonight...since I missed SG, maybe just maybe he will make me smile with Rusty Cage ;-) still dreaming, eliza ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I walk these streets alone, shadows hide my face My sins are etched in stone, never to erase My fears unshakeable, if I could believe I'd trade these wings of gold, for what I really need ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: I've got an idea of something we can do with a gun... AND........ What Geoff said: DITTO Lance "In words I'll never find" ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: Chris solo Chris' first solo interview?? Let's ask Michael Apple since he has every single article ever written on Soundgarden. And if not, maybe he could take off a couple of wees to research the question. Lance "In words I'll never find" ------------------------------ Subject: DC Show..... From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) Just wanted to let you know that Chris's voice was fine tonight. He kept his range low but every now and then hit a nice high one. And he was able to hold a few of the notes for long intervals.. Now Ben was a different issue... Jamie (Village Idiot/SOMMs Mom) ------------------------------ From: tealyf@ix.netcom.com (*.*) Subject: Tuesday Night No-Music Club Well I thought I had taken the news about the cancellation in stride, but as I woke up yesterday morning the reality started to really hit me. Rarely a day goes by that I don't pop in my Reading '95 bootleg at least once, but I couldn't bring myself to listen to it yesterday, and as what would have been showtime rolled around I started to feel pretty damned bad. Not only that, but my date decided to bail on our alternate plans as well. All in all, a day just not worth remembering ... But I am glad Chris' condition is not very serious. As for a re-scheduling, maybe they will, maybe they won't. The band may feel bad about the missed shows and decide to play here before they leave for Australia, but really, if you lived on the west coast and your band wound up a US tour and had a couple of weeks before leaving for Australia, would you really feel like flying to the east coast to play a couple of gigs or would you rather just say fuggit and get some well-earned rest? I guess we'll see. Anyway ... Seth, excellent shots from Chicago. They looked like pictures taken at a decadent brothel somewhere, with red light pouring in thru the windows. And they kinda reminded me of a line from "Mailman:" "A simple reminder/of what you won't see/a November 19 so sucky/without me." Or something like that ... Seth also raises an excellent point about Matt. I really feel that people don't give Matt the attention he deserves at shows. I know it's hard to see him behind his huge set, but if people would take their eyes off of Chris or the other front men for a few minutes and focus on Matt they'd really see the engine that drives the band. Some people believe that drummers are basically interchangeable, and if you want someone who is just competent, then they are, but does anyone doubt that Matt's imprint on the band is absolutely vital? His subtle embellishments are totally unique and add to the songs he plays a level of total self-assuredness. (However, Seth, the "stick-recovery" trick he played really is not THAT difficult. It just takes some practice.) Tealy, Son of Richard "Guys, I've got bad news. The Boston gig ... it's been cancelled ... I wouldn't worry, though. It's not much of a college town." -- Ian Faith, "This is Spinal Tap" ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: sexual preferences; SG announced; division of the list? Biff wrote: >> Now, to be quick. If Chris Cornell, or any member for that matter, were gay it would have little or no effect on my love for the band or = the music. In fact, I think it would be a good thing. It might alienate = some of the fans that they wouldn't want. I mean really, how good of a fan can = you be if the sexual prefrence of on of the members effects how you hear the = message? =20 Biff, that is quite a good point! I hadn't thought about it like that = before. I wonder how many fans of Soundgarden would have ever become = fans in the first place if CC weren't heterosexual? But then, it seems = there are a lot of people who lust after him, even though he is = married........so why should a bit of homosexuality get in their way?! = ;-) However, of course many of their fans were that way because of the music = first. The fact that CC is attractive is simply a bonus. What the hell = am I trying to say here? Hmmmm, I dunno. Too early in the morning for = me! Hey, I just heard on the radio what we've all known for a while - that = Soundgarden is appearing at the up-coming Australian Big Days Out. You = Am I are also named, and Powderfinger (just had to throw that in for = you, Jamie!). Wahoo!!! Geoff wrote: >>Caryn has been on the list since the beginning. Do you really think her leaving the list had anything to do with you?=20 Geoff, I'm afraid I feel I should correct you here. Caryn was NOT on = the list since the beginning. Several current members were, but not = Caryn (I know, because I was). She began around the time we were = organising the t-shirt designs, late last year. I'm a little worried = that we might become somewhat divided if some people continue to say = they want Caryn back, while some people obviously don't. Caryn did = actually make herself quite unpopular with those folks. I guess what = I'm trying to say is just because you (or me, or anyone else) has a = certain opinion on something/someone, don't presume to think the rest of = the list feels the way you do. As Kathie pointed out, Caryn left for = her own reasons (has anyone else made the connection that she seemed to = disappear before the Chicago Sommsters gave their reviews, after she'd = attacked Kathie in what seemed to be a severe case of sour grapes at not = being involved in organising the Sommsters to meet the band??) - if you = want to discuss that with her then do so privately, and DON'T presume to = speak on behalf of the whole list when you do so. If Caryn wants to = return, then that's her business, her right. It will have nothing to do = with what any of us might choose to do or say. Carolyn the Musing Facade I'm deeper than the shit I'm in, and I don't really give a = damn......Iggy Pop ------------------------------ From: DarknesRIP@gnn.com (billy weisbrod) Subject: RE: sexual preferences; SG announced; division of the list? Personally, my feelings toward Chris wouldn't change at all if it was announced he was gay. By the way: I was at the NYC show on the 16th, my first SG concert and it ruled even though i was right in the front and it was tough to see. Who remembers those 3 fights? I was rigt near where they started. Darkness ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 311] ****************************************