From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 17 Nov 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:53:54 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Sunday, 17 Nov 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: NYC Set List SG in ISRAEL??? Hater/Sommsfest '96/Caryn's gone... Re: Gentle Ben??? re: Kim and the common law re: Mag interviews DMSF (Del Mar SOMMSFEST) Silver Management Studio Demos and Outtakes Noises From The Underground SHIRTS On Stage Verbage (Soundgarden & a SP story) #19 Chris WHO?!?!? RE: Stuck Between The Music and The Lyrics ------------------------------------------------------------ From: jcho@discovernet.net (Joshua Cho) Subject: NYC Set List Hey fellow NYC-show Sommsters: Can you please e-mail me a set list. I'll be seeing SG for the 1st time on Sunday. (Pleez e-mail privately since I'm on the digest.) Thanks. Josh ------------------------------ From: "stimpy1" Subject: SG in ISRAEL??? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- This Mail Was Send By Stimpy1 Email:stimpy1@netvision.net.il - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- hi all again!!!!! listen know there isnt a chance for what i`m wishing but if any one have any idiea if SG are coming to Israel i dont mean in this tour but maby the next one i dont really care when mail to the list i know the answer is know but i just wanted to be sure ok??? take care now byebye then!!! ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: Hater/Sommsfest '96/Caryn's gone... Greetings Sommsters. First off, congratulations to everyone who attended Sommsfest '96 in Chicago. You all lived my dream. Thanks for all the great posts about it. Why aren't these posts on the website though? I bought the Hater cd finally, three years after its release. (Hey man, at least I ain't that Russell fella who still hasn't got the TOTD cd :) ) Here are my thoughts: When I first listened to it my first impression was.. it wasnt that good. However I was wrong. I then listened to it again..and again and again. It was addicting. This stuff *is* good. Apparently there are a lot of you who dislike Brian Wood's vocal abilities. I have to disagree. There was only one song on there that I totally hated his vocals on and that was the song Roadside. He just sounds so damn cheesy on that one. But overall, I really like the CD. And I will be buying their next album whenever it comes out. A question which I asked before: What is the deal with Brian Wood leaving? If any one has the specifics/info on this I'd appreciate it. Oh yeah, I heard from Seth this morning that Caryn Rose unsubscribed from the list. Hmm. As much as I disagreed with her I still respected her. I am going to miss her. (Did I just say that?) She definitely had a "presence" on here and when I saw no posts from her all week, I knew something was up. What do you all think about it? Vincent ------------------------------ From: The Shogun Woo Subject: Re: Gentle Ben??? At 02:26 PM 11/15/96 -0800, you wrote: >>If I was making loads of money and was up in front of thousands of people >and some jerkoff didn't tune my bass right, I'd kick his ass too. Anyone >who's played guitar for a week can tune. This guy was a professional. >He made Ben look like an ass: it's not that hard to tune a bass. >Besides, how do we know that the guy didn't screw up other stuff. > >what do you have to say to that? I say AMEN! I think I might have been the only person to defend Ben in some manner (not effectively, but to some extent.). I always loved the music Ben wrote for the band, and if he wants to act like that on stage so be it. I understand also what you say about the tuning incident. The guy is a sound-man. If he can't properly tune a bass, then he needs some serious help (although one might wonder WHY the HELL did the guy get the job in the first place.) If my guitar wasn't tuned before a big concert, I'd crack some heads and not think twice about it. But hey, that's just me. If someone has had a bad experience (as most people have) and you feel I'm a jackass for speaking without experience, then I'm sorry. Untill the day that Ben throws foreign objects at me without provocation, I'll have to stay on his side. Therapy? I got an idea. Why don't you tell him yourself? (not you, dumo13) What is "dumo" anyway? Shogun ------------------------------ From: AntiDog@aol.com Subject: re: Kim and the common law In response to: Valahovic Kim has said he's not married, but he does have a live-in girlfriend. I think he referred to her as his common-law wife. AntiDog writes: Okay, what's your respective source on this one? I mean I've read articles on these guys for ions, and besides the plethora of personal info on Chris (and the obvious fact that he's married), I know only of a recent SPIN reference to Matt's (I think live-in) girlfriend. I've not once seen anything on Kim or Ben's personal info (even going back 5 or 6 years).... even when the writers are describing their houses or friends, or whatever.... so what are the details here guys? ------------------------------ From: AntiDog@aol.com Subject: re: Mag interviews In response to: Gonzo I have also noticed that all of the article Kim does are in Guitar magazines for musicians. I think he is the only member of the group who has not sang on any of the SG songs,not even on backup vocals. AntiDog writes: Yeah, I have a number of the old Guitar World and Guitar Player mags, some old ROCKETs from Seattle and oddly enough there was a great interview in a REQUEST magazine (a record store freebie)... and it is cool the constant distillation and analysis of the SG musical creation and presentation... I wish mass media would take a similar art-minded view. - and yes, I do think he's the only one without vocals on the album... except maybe UltraMega OK.... he's got a lot of lyrics on that one though.... ------------------------------ From: Gene Candelaria Subject: DMSF (Del Mar SOMMSFEST) Hey everyone, Here's a list to date of those planning on meeting in the parking lot before the Nov 30 Del Mar SG show: Gene Candelaria Jamie Case Dena White Christy Lopez Terri Tim Ernie Leslie Glenn Mark Miller Paul Rosenthal Paul's Girlfriend Ryan Moore (Tentative - We have our figers crossed!) Anybody else interested, let me know or just come on down!! - -- ----- \___/ ----- ; > Gene Candelaria . . . . o o o o o _______ * _____ o |Del Mar| * ____==== ]OO|_n_n__][. |SOMMS| * [________]_|__|________)< | FEST| 14 days (two short weeks)!! oo oo 'oo OOOO-| oo\\_ ~~~|~~~ +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ _____________________ ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Silver Management Date sent: 17-NOV-1996 01:05:40 Does anyone know how to get in contact with Susan Silver Management? Is there an email address I could contact her at? It's for the biography on Kim Thayil I'm working on. Thanks, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: Matt Wallace Subject: Studio Demos and Outtakes Does anyone out there have studio demos that SG has done before they recorded their albums??? I'm not talking about the demos on the Stolen Prayers and Supermainstream bootlegs or the b-sides on the import singles either...I mean the direct studio demos. Its nearly impossible to find these, since the band probably has them in their own personal archives. A few years ago, I stumbled upon a DAT copy of some demos taken from the Badmotorfinger sessions. The songs on it were: Rusty Cage, Birth Ritual, Fell On Black Days (version 1), Fell On black Days (version 2), Cold Bitch, No Attention, Jesus Christ Pose, Outshined, Jam. Unfortunately I couldn't obtain a copy of the tape, but it was nevertheless amazing. The songs were all in their early rough form and contained some very interesting arrangements that did not exist in the album versions. The demo versions of Birth Ritual and one of the Fell On Black Days demos eventually appeared as b-sides for the singles. Also, there are several demos of songs that I think are in existence from the DOTU sessions: Christy(instrumental), Anxious, Kyle Petty, Applebite, Never the Machine Forever. If anyone has a copy of these tapes or has any other copies of studio demos from other albums, please let me know! I am willing to trade and have many shows in my large SG collection...Somehow though, I don't think I'll ever find these gems... Thanks... Matt Wallace ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Noises From The Underground Can someone please email me (or better still let the list know) the author, publisher and ISBN of Noises From The Underground: A History of Alternative Rock Photos. Thanks. BTW, Biff, the UK music press is notoriously fickle about bands (we're 'allowed' to like Screaming Trees, but Soundgarden - no way). My guess is this Mark Lund person is after a job at NME when he leaves college :-) >"With another tuneless, po-faced slice of 'heavy' balladry. Doesn't >sound as much like Whitsnake as they normally do, but excruciating >all the same." Mark Lund ( Brunel University Student Union Magazine) UK Deb ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: SHIRTS Due to some interest in getting shirts I thought that I would post this.... SHIRTS!!! SHIRTS!!!! for those of you who would still like a shirt I have good news for you.I do have some shirts left over.... I have 2 types of shirts so see below for the differences. IF you are interested in getting one from me... then mail me!! Shirts are first come first serve... when they are gone they are GONE!! ** I do have alot more of the type 2 shirt than the type 1 shirts. With regards to the hats... if you would like one let me know... I can still make more of them!!! ( ** please note... prices for hats are $ 11.00 plus shipping ) THE 2 types of shirts for you to choose from are.... ( both shirts are the same quality ) type 1. Correct ink color on logo. correct placement of logo and text... ** these are the EXACT shirts that people have been raving about!! PRICE $ 10.50 plus shipping. Type 2.Incorrect ink on text.( its a bright red.. not the dark red that I wanted.) Incorrect placement of logo( the fork is a little crooked ) Incorrect placement of text( the " posting with my good eye closed" is not centered it is flush left .. but it is centered over the fork.) ** these shirts look similar to the others.. the difference is the above proplems. again the shirt quality is the same!!! Exactly the same!!! PRICE $ 5.00 plus shipping. As before PLEASE mail me if you have any questions!! talk to ya soon!! Dena :)~ Blessed SOMMS Goddess Crazy shirt/hat making girl and KTMS memeber ------------------------------ From: "Jamie C." Subject: On Stage Verbage (Soundgarden & a SP story) alot of bands seem to be really good at working the crowd in between songs. when sg was here, i really enjoyed chris' quick comments. they were cool. ben was engaging in the generous deed of passing around water to us in the pit. but i have a story, involving the smashing pumpkins, if you want to hear it.... i'm from Winnipeg, and i saw SP in september. i was amazed, because it was such a powerful show. but i must say that d'arcy isn't too smart. it's cool to joke around with the crowd and throw some insults about the city and stuff. billy and james were having fun, saying that the states have a better hockey team than us, etc..... it was cool, no offense taken. then d'arcy pipes up with a spiel about the us taking over canada, blah blah blah. everyone kinda went "huh?" it was nuts. she went on and on.....until billy jumped in and cracked a joke about thiking of them as bryan adams or the hip. anyways, i just think that d'arcy really doesn't understand what she is talking about most of the time. she took a joke waaaay to far, to a point where it wasn't even close to being funny. good thing she doesn't speak much. but james, he deserves to have more of a voice...he's CRAZY. it's cool. oh yeah, to all the assholes in winnipeg who didn't like the 45-minute song at the end of the 3rd encore: fuck all y'all. it had meaning, boys and girls.didn't you get it when billy said something like "we always have and always will be the smashing pumpkins"????? (if that's not the right quote, please tell me). thank god the guys in sg aren't as lame as d'arcy. anyways, that's my rant.... - -- +jamie c.+ ******************************** "What made it slow you down, sucking on a ball and chain Another motherfucker goes down the drain" -"Ty Cobb" ******************************** "Galvanized the oversight by pissing on your whole philosophy..." -Moist, "Shotgun" ******************************** ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: #19 This freebie is for the Matt Cameron fans. A Skin Yard release on Cruz Records from 1991, with MC Drummer (heheh) on 13 of the 15 tracks. It is a cd, nevermind the label name.:) The usual crap: email to enter, winner picked at random. Winner (only) must provide a shipping address. Once notified, the winner has 5 days to claim his/her prize. Entries taken until Thursday (21 Nov) ***Make sure you understand all of the above before entering*** Eric ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Chris WHO?!?!? Chris Cornell?? Who's that?? Hmmmm... guess who *I* finally got a picture of, kiddies? Nope... guess again! Nope... guess again!! Well... let's just say that the wallpaper on my computer this week is flavored Perlman. ;-) Heheheh... Ok, I know it's been brought up before by PenCapChew (?)... but *I* want to know... who exactly is going to the TX shows?? I'll be at both the Houston and Austin shows... and I want to know if you people are planning on meeting up anywhere. Somehow I suspect that it won't be at a bar. ;-) Am I going to be the oldest TX SOMMSter at the shows? Wait... Brian will be at the Austin show, right? He's got a few years on me. ;-) BTW Brian... IHOP, the whipped cream is calling us. =) Anyway... TX SOMMSters... e-mail Pen or me and let us know if you want to meet up before the shows. Even if you don't, my picture is in the member's directory. If you see me at one of the shows... say hi. I'm going to both shows by my lonesome, so I'm sure to be bored while waiting for SG to take the stage. =) As a side note to anyone who listens to the Toadies (sorry, it's a Dallas music thing): I heard tonight that Clark Vogeler (formerly with Funland I miss them!!) has gotten the job as guitarist with the Toadies. I think he got the job today or yesterday... so remember, you heard it here first!! ;-) Speaking of... the Toadies have a really nifty song on the "Sandy Does Dallas" compilation CD. (15 Dallas bands covering songs from the movie "Grease"). One last thing... all you Dallas people missed a killer show tonight at Trees. Course of Empire, Caulk and Nocturne. You're going to feel baaaaad about missing all these great shows someday!!!! SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL MUSIC SCENES!!!!!!!!!!! Say... why is it that when I look at this picture of Seth and think that he's cute, I get this weird incestuous feeling? AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!! Heheheh... I'm such a sicko. ;-) (And slighty inebriated.) =) Love me, bye-bye... Shroomy "Remember kiddies, it's always more fun to masturbate than to do drugs. Whenever anyone asks me if I want to smoke a bowl, I run home and jerk off like crazy..." ~ Peter, Slow Roosevelt (Dallas music rules!) ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: Stuck Between The Music and The Lyrics Jamie C wrote: >>i must admit, i don't let the lyrics of any song influence whether or not i like it. >>it is for this reason that i hold the MUSIC so high. to me, it is all that matters. >>for example, if a song has awe-inspiring music, but bad lyrics, i will still like it. however, i don't feel the same way about a song with thought-provoking lyrics and no music to back it up. >>But I listen to the music and the vocals as they intertwine..... Jamie, I have written a similar post before, over a year ago now. I = understand what you're saying, completely. I too take a great deal of = notice of the music. It is the overall sound of a song that will first = attract me to it - then the lyrics follow suit. Some of my favourite = songs are my favourites because they SOUND GOOD. (e.g. "Big Dumb Sex"). = With those songs I might not ever even take the time out to really get = to know and understand the lyrics. But then I also have favourites that = are so because of their powerful, emotional lyrics (e.g. = "Indifference"), but even those songs have a decent tune. I will often like a song that has bad lyrics with good music, but rarely = will I enjoy a song with good lyrics and bad music. I'll shut up now before I bore you all to tears, Carolyn the Merry Fairy Thinking only screws me up......would you do my thinking for me? - Even ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 307] ****************************************