From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 16 Nov 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:27:26 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 16 Nov 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: atlanta Interpretation of BHS Re: you're gonna love this one... Re: opening bands Re: nothing (really) to say... Applebite stuff Ben BUTOW ON RAGE Re: No BUT, D.C. Is Only 5 Days Away! you're gonna love this one... reporters Selling Seattle to the world Dave's website SG IN NYC One more simple =?iso-8859-1?Q?Soundgarden=B4s?= fan Washington DC show: Soundcheck, Tshirts, and other stuff The party you have reached... SG in NYC begins Re: and whatsoever I've fought off, became my life... chicago report (late) Misery whew..... love's for everyone who isn't me.... Looks like teen spirit... Re: Interpretation of BHS Checking in..SG hotel... Shirts Philly in only SIX days!!! Gentle Ben??? Re: The party you have reached... Re: The party you have reached... Cindy, Tyra, Claudia and Chris And Yet *Another* Chicago Review... RE: The Point of it All soundgarden Stuck Between The Music and The Lyrics Re: Age Ben BUTOW single is here!! Re: BUTOW single is here!! Beware of scams on fan club members! hang my head, drown my fear Roseland, NYC 11/15 the pictures Re: BUTOW single is here!! Re: BUTOW single is here!! RE: SOMMSfest photos ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Wilson Vanessa Faye" Subject: atlanta less than 9 fucking days away, I will be right there in atlanta, watching every moment....it's gonna be awesome!!!!!! vanessa (usually don't send mail, just read it- by the way, saw the pix, they're awesome, and yall are fucking lucky!!) ------------------------------ From: Tiffany S StClaireMefret Subject: Interpretation of BHS That was an interesting interpretation of BHS, Michael Apple. I have a completely different feeling about that song. I always thought of the black hole sun as depression. Depression and suicide run in my family on my father's side; maybe that explains why when I hear "wash away the rain" I think "wash away the pain". In other words, the song has always said to me: depression, won't you come, and wash the pain of life away The "landscape" described by the lyrics seems rather bleak to me. The tone seems to be one of weary distaste and indifferent anger. The song describes a state of mind that I can't help translating as depression and despair. This is just another example of how each listener puts a new spin on any message- I'm not trying to say that one interpretation is correct and the other is not. Later, - -Tiffany ------------------------------ From: The Shogun Woosley Subject: Re: you're gonna love this one... At 02:21 PM 11/15/96 GMT, you wrote: >My initial reaction is to write a letter to the rag - something along >the lines of "If Mark Lund can take his head out of his arse for a >moment, I have a copy of your magazine that I would like to shove up it!" > >in the end, I just had to laugh at the guy's obvious lack of a brain... > >Andy > DAMN STRAIGHT!! Is this an actual review? I can't believe someone would even THINK of relating SG to Whitesnake. That sounds like someone who just doesn't like good music. Oh well, some people... Shogun ------------------------------ From: kjm@mtool.com (Karen Monoker) Subject: Re: opening bands I just wanted to agree with whoever it was who said that the opening bands on this SG tour should be treated better. I have never heard Tenderloin, but Rocket From The Crypt is a great band! They are huge in San Diego and I have seen them play many times and they rocked! Maybe they aren't playing as well on this tour, but I find it hard to believe they are actually getting booed for not playing well!?!. Well only 6 more days until I see SG at the Patriot Center, woo hoo!!! Then I can give you guys a better report on RFTC and of course our beloved SG. *Karen* ------------------------------ From: Candy Haun Subject: Re: nothing (really) to say... > Chris begins > answering the question about what is the meaning to the Song Loud love. What does he say? I have always been curious about the lyrics to Loud Love. I'd buy the CD and listen to it myself but I doubt it I can find it out here in Okieland. What does everyone else think the song means? Candy ------------------------------ From: "Tim Smith" Subject: Applebite stuff Hey folks....long time no write. Sorry I have been rather busy. Anyhoo, on to more important things. In my vocal music class, we have to bring in our favorite song, describe it, play it and so on. The song i am doing (if you cant tell by the subject line) is Applebite. Does anybody have info on it that would be helpful?? Correct my if I am wrong but isnt there a sound on Seth's page describing the song??? See ya.... Tim Smith ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Ben I've been thinking alot about Vikki's post about her experience onstage at the Aragon. While I agree that it must have been a terribly frightening thing being caught up in this Ben hurricane, I wonder why you were surprised by it, especially considering how many times you've seen the band. Maybe its that you had never seen the hidden effects (the terrified techs etc.) of his outbursts. Or maybe, like probably many of us, you never took them too seriously. Its unfortunate that his temper tantrum ruined a special time for you, but in a way I'm glad that its getting out in the open. I agree that Ben's behavior is irresponsible and immature. I've always thought that, but kind of ignored it. The problem, though, is that the behavior is tolerated, in fact is admired, by so many fans. I think its sad that people consider getting taunted and spit on to be an honor (am I wrong, or does it seem that its mainly guys who feel that way?). All that does is encourage the behavior. Ben shows a lack of respect for humanity in general, but as long as people think its so cool to be disrespected by someone just because he's a rock star what reason does he have to change? In my experience people that treat others the way Ben does usually don't feel very good about themselves - alot of people talk and act big on the outside when they feel small and insignificant on the inside. Why else would someone have this seemingly uncontrollable desire to demean others? I don't know what the answer is, because I doubt that he's going to change. But it sure would be a step forward if people would stop swooning with glee when he spits on them or others, or does other disrespectful things. Thanks Vikki for showing us what it looked like from the "inside". Talk about a public relations nightmare! Kathie ------------------------------ From: Lee Christensen Subject: BUTOW ON RAGE It's late but it's here!!! :) BUTOW is on RAGE 1:15 am tonight!!! that's friday!! the first video they are playing of the night :) nice of them isn't it, I can go to bed instead of staying up for hours waiting and waiting. And if this message is too late, not to worry it'll be on tomorrow night aswell :) about time it got played down here!! Got Garbage Milk video days before anyone else did, but Soundgarden tooks it's time to get the video playing down this way. Oh and if you don't know what rage is, then you don't live in Australia :) Oh and for Australian members as well, I finally saw the Soundgarden 1997 calander!! yeah somehow it finally landed down here, it was in a specalist rip-off shop tho :) seeya Lee (1:15am got to stay awake...1:15) seeya Lee _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it UP and Play it LOUD let the blood rush to your head!! I'm sorry I was cruel, I forgot to kiss you..... CD I'm listening to this week: "Milk" single by Garbage ------------------------------ From: "Rancidinstantpudding" Subject: Re: No BUT, > Date sent: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:42:38 -0500 (EST) > From: Shanna Moore > Send reply to: Shanna Moore > To: somms@MIT.EDU > > HI. I don't normally post here, usually I just read the mail, but I was > wondering if any one out there is going to the LA show sunday December1? > I'm currently going to school in Boston, and let me tell ya, I am more > than overjoyed to be going home and seeing this show. > >No but I'm going to be in seatle on Dec 11 for the seconded and final date of soundgardens US tour. Maybe they'll do something special because of the occasion. This is going to be my first Soundgarden concert so I'm really excited. I got crappy seats but hopefully everything will be cool. It's at he Mercer Arena and I think I may be able to sneak down to the floor. That would be super- shna... f h + s s a ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: D.C. Is Only 5 Days Away! Yes, five days and counting. So far, I've received responses from the following people regrding our pre-concert get together... Greg Bensimon Jamie Simpson Kevin Persiko Pat Daly Siva Mohanty Laura Weinstein Karen Monoker Dylan Mcinturff Beverly Wise Andrea Pepin Eliza Polly Toni Roark Kelly Lee (+4) Rob Palmer (+1) That makes 19 people so far. Considering the way the weather's been here this fall (cold and rainy), we're thinking about an off-site get together. Jamie and I are going to scope out a good spot this weekend. We'll let you know more on Monday. Greg ------------------------------ From: cs95ajs@brunel.ac.uk Subject: you're gonna love this one... Here is the review of BUTOW that appeared in our union magazine; "A beautiful, desolate hymn to alienation, lonliness and misanthropy. But that's enough about Prisoner; Cell Block H, heeer's Soundgarden. With another tuneless, po-faced slice of 'heavy' balladry. Doesn't sound as much like Whitsnake as they normally do, but excruciating all the same. Just isn't the same without Bea Smith is it?" - - reviewed by Mark Lund. What can I say? where to start? Whitesnake!?! My initial reaction is to write a letter to the rag - something along the lines of "If Mark Lund can take his head out of his arse for a moment, I have a copy of your magazine that I would like to shove up it!" in the end, I just had to laugh at the guy's obvious lack of a brain... Andy ------------------------------ From: CAMPBELLCG@bvu.edu Subject: reporters > another tuneless, po-faced slice of 'heavy' balladry. > Doesn't sound as much like Whitsnake as they normally do That is some fine reporting. I'm speechless...How can you reply to this?!? I mean, it's so far beyond realistic I found it really really funny! WHITESNAKE??? I'm still laughing. Seriously! I'm sorry I forgot, what magazine was this from? Well, I got my jollies for the day. Please, I want to hear *everyone's* take on this article. enjoying this stupidity thouroughly biff ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Selling Seattle to the world My theories just keep being confirmed (she says as she pats herself on the back). The Details Chris interview talks about "the hair", which has recently become a common topic on the list again. Several months ago I mentioned that I thought the sex-god stuff was a put-on that the band used to get a foot in the door. Well, here's what it says in Details (edited to save space): Jim Hendrix had his mojo.Chris Cornell has his hair...Its kinetic energy, as captured in stop motion by Sub Pop's house photographer Charles Peterson, was for a long time practically the trademark of the new Seattle rock, a wave of purest motion that announced the scene's distance from the bulging-eyed, bald guy conventions of traditional punk rock before you'd so much as heard a note. Like Soundgarden's heavy, riff-laden tuneage, the hair was a wink at the testosterone-soaked conventions of '70's rock - simultaneously mocking heavy metal while being more or less heavy metal itself... The photo of Chris, or rather of Chris and his hair, ended up on the cover of Soundgarden's Screaming Life EP, which was the first important relic both of Sub Pop and what became known as the Seattle sound. CHRIS AND HIS HAIR WERE PART OF THE PACKAGE SUB POP USED TO SELL SEATTLE TO THE WORLD - THE SIZZLE THAT SOLD THE STEAK. (emphasis mine)-- Details December 1996 There is so much more to Chris than his hair, or his looks in general. When I read posts from people complaining about his hair or his weight I wonder why I don't see what they are seeing. Maybe its because I tend to be more attracted to what a person is on the inside than on the outside. I'm also an eye person, and Chris' eyes just suck you in - absolutely mesmerizing. But then what do they say? The eyes are the window to the soul? Kathie ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Dave's website Hey list, Yesterday I posted a message to the list requesting that you all start an email campaign to remove a certain website from the net. Well, it's all over. I already got a reply from AngelFire, his server, saying it is gone. And it is. You can check for yourself: http://www.angelfire.com/pg0/sound/index.html Thank you for listening, Geoff ------------------------------ From: Paul_Faraguna@dbna.com (Paul Faraguna) Subject: SG IN NYC Hi everybody! Haven't posted in a while because how does one come up with something as compelling as the goings-on at the Chicago SOMMSFest. I mean, I could tell the story of how, while walking to work, I saw a discarded box in the trash with the BMF logo on it. I could further relate the way in which I over-ran a bag lady, two winos, and a school child in my head long dash to retrieve said box and look inside it. Finding inside it every piece of music ever recorded by any member, past or present, of SG, in every form, from vinyl to CD. Obviously, this would be a major coup worthy of intense and animated discussion on this list. Even if this story were true, which it is not; even if I lied and said it was true, it would just crumble in comparison to the SOMMSFest! All I can say is "Gee Wiz! You guys are SO lucky!" Oh well, at least I'll be at the Roseland NYC show tomorrow and Sun. I guess I'll have to settle for just seeing them from the crowd...TWICE!!! HE HE HE! I'll try to make the SOMMS presence felt at the shows. I wonder if from now on merely "seeing" SG and not "meeting and greeting" them at future shows, will be good enough for the SOMMSFesters, or are they forever spoiled? SG hear we come! Paul LIMO DRIVER ------------------------------ From: al590741@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (Alfredo) Subject: One more simple =?iso-8859-1?Q?Soundgarden=B4s?= fan I don=B4t know much about the band, and I enter in this digest to learn more about Soundgarden and to know more people, but the really is that their music(of soundgarden) it=B4s cool. I just have been heard this CD "Superunknown" and with that I have more than enough to like them, because they produce music, they make me travel with them music to places that I never have been visited early, I feel myself like flying in the Soundgarden=B4s world, Alive in the Superunknown. ------------------------------ From: "S. Mohanty" Subject: Washington DC show: Soundcheck, Tshirts, and other stuff The DC show at the Patriot Center is only 5 days away! I live right next to the venue so I'm going to head out early for soundcheck and catch the guys as the come through the door. Does anyone know how many hours before the show or around what time SG does their soundcheck? Also, what T-shirts do they sell at the show and what are the prices? If I do manage to meet any of the guys, I'll be sure to steer clear of Ben :) Siva "You'll only cry without me, Your gonna die without me, Your gonna die without me..." ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: The party you have reached... Hey fellow listers! Just wanted to let ya know I'm not going to be here until Thursday 11/21.....gawd, so I'll have 300+ messages to wade thru when I get back, so I'll not only have whatever mayhem awaiting me here at work, I'll have posts galore to read. If you're one of me regulars, you know who you are, just hang tight and I'll be back soon. UK Deb--sorry I didn't answer your last one--no time due to having to prepare for this school eval I'm going on. I'll get to you! So...a thought...is grunge as a music form dead? Has it become, as someone posted earlier, just a way of dressing? Gotta find me the new Details this weekend! see ya on the flipside....ciao....deb ------------------------------ From: Cynthia Siragusa Subject: SG in NYC begins NEW YORK CITY, the capitol of the world, welcomes SOUNDGARDEN to "Weekend at CYN's". I wish. Our guys will be at 92.3 KRock at 5PM today and I will be awaiting their arrival at 600 Madison Ave. nr 55th St.. between 4 & 4:30 PM. I just would like to ask them if they'd dedicate BHS to us SOMMSters here in NY. If I'm really lucky, I could get them to autograph my UK Burden 7" single. Then, it's off to "Ye Olde Tripple Inn" on West 54th nr 8th Ave @ 6PM. For whomever asked, Don't worry about getting carded. Hope to meet yall there! (Yes DD, I am allowed to use yall 'cause my dad's a farmer upstate NY. I'm a transplanted hick.) Since US Postal Service Priority Mail SUX and Seth still doesn't have my pic I sent him OVER A WEEK AGO, here's my description... I've been told I resemble Sandra Bullock without the cleft chin, and I walk with a cane. I'm wearing my SOMMS tee, white ripped jeans with black leopard spots, and a black leather jacket. My friend Michael looks like Young Will Robinson from "Lost in Space" all grown up. Wallowing in the blood and mud with all the other pigs at ROSELAND, I remain CYN ------------------------------ From: Andrew Christensen Subject: Re: and whatsoever I've fought off, became my life... >On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Deborah Baker wrote: > >> " Says Piegeonhed's mainman, one-time Soundgarden/Mudhoney producer Steve >> Fisk,'Jerry and Kim were hanging out together at Bad Animals Studio here in >> Seattle when we were recording The Full Sentence. They just asked if they >> could both play on the album - which is a very un-Seattle, un-showbusinessy >> thing to do.' > > I don't really want to argue with steve fisk (because I'm sure he >knows more than I do), but what about this collaboration is "very >un-seattle"? both kim and jerry have done tons of this stuff in the past, >so I'm not sure what is out of the ordinary here. is it that they *both* >wanted to play on the same tracks and not split them? or that they were >hanging around the studio asking if they could play? > > in light of jerry and chris both working on aic's _sap_, kim's >involvement on the president's first record and the _twisted willie_ >tribute (plus all the other projects/guest appearances that I'm sure I >don't have to spell out), and the fact that he actually *played* on the >first pigeonhed record, I just wonder why it is surprising to him. > > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > - words by kim thayil > ----------------------------------- > > > i understood that as being that the just asking if they wanted to play being the un-Seattle thing to do. i don't think they mean anything about the collaboration itself. but i could be wrong and i didn't quite understand what was so un-Seattle and un-showbusinessy about that either...i'm just out of it i guess, sorry! ------------------------------ From: Andrea Pinto Subject: chicago report (late) Ok- I'll try to keep this brief since I'm sure you're all sick of chicago tales by now. But it was a time. I really can't say enough about the great treatment we were given by Erin. Bringing Seth out for the weekend was a great surprise. It was totally appropriate that he was there. I was in the second meeting with the band & found them all to be really nice. I hadn't thought of anything to bring with me to be signed. Everyone had pictures, album covers, etc... I just didn't really plan for it. Then while in chicago i had a last minute brainstorm. My seattle bus schedule! I went into the room second after Seth to meet the band. We must've looked like deer in headlights because Ben came out & said, "Shouldn't you guys look more happy?" I asked Matt a question about a jazz band called "Motel 6" i saw him drum with last year. He said he'd play with them again if they asked. Then he saw my bus schedule & smiled. He said he used to ride the same bus & then he signed the schedule. Kim came out all smiling. He signed our stuff and left the room quickly. Ben saw my schedule & said, "cool". The List Thug jumped into action & got the lowdown on the Hater halloween show. Bonnie grabbed a lighter & lit his cigarette. He was really nice to talk to. I mosied over to Chris & thanked him for meeting us. He signed my schedule & wrote "thanx" on it. We took pictures with him which i just got developed. Wow-finally-a picture of myself & chris cornell-and THE LIST THUG!!!!!!!!! Thuggie took the opportunity to stick his big melon head over chris' shoulder as the picture was being taken! (It's pretty funny). I'm just glad i didn't have lettuce in my teeth or something. My next favorite shot is of Matt & Seth with a mysterious red bag in the corner of the room which i think is Kathie's pumpkin bread. The band made their goodbyes & Erin took us to the balcony to watch the shows. Speaking as a petite female-i was very thankful for that seating. And both nights too! The first night rocked & as Eliza said, the next night we were all a little worn out. But the sunday show was the best i've ever heard them play. Saturday night Chris dedicated rusty cage to johnny cash, so when he started making a dedication on sunday night, i thought it would be for another performer. But when he dedicated BHS to us-my heart dropped. I was really touched. And i don't think any of us were expectimg that to happen on the second night. It made everything so special. Musical highlights: Dusty, Slaves & Bulldozers, JCP-everything really. I know some people were disturbed by Ben's behavior. Personally, I thought his stage antics were really fun to watch on sunday night. Knocking speakers over-not letting the road crew pick them up-even spitting on seth-i was roaring. (sorry seth-but i think you should take it as some weird rite of passage). I saw the Hater show on halloween. After Ben knocked down Caryn-he got back onstage & then dove right over my head. Luckily i ducked-otherwise i'd probably be hurt too. But i'm not surprised by any of this behavior. I'm not saying wrong or right-just not surprised & that's how he is. It's Hater & SG. It's not a hootie & the blowfish concert. Anyway it was great meeting all the Somms gang. Big thanks to Toni & Rita for housing, feeding, chauffering etc.... I never guessed that you could squish 8 somms women into one car! It was a great escapist weekend. Back to reality. Seattle somms contingent-see ya @ Zeke on the 23rd. Andrea Pinto apinto@adobe.com ------------------------------ From: lem27345@glaxowellcome.com (Lyle Miller) Subject: Misery Love the song "Misery"! Anyone know where I could download a .wav or .au of it on the Net? Then I could loop it to create "all-day background music"! Thanks alot. Lyle Miller ------------------------------ From: Aferdity@aol.com Subject: whew..... I think I have finally read every Chicago-goers reveiw and there is nothing, not that I know of, left to ask. Thanks for giving us such awesome details and making us feel like we actually experienced it with ya'll. To bad we couldn't have, though! Oh well.(BIG sad :( sigh) I will be going to the Houston show soon(11 days 5 hours and 22 seconds to be exact)and I 'm REALLY excited. Is anyone going to that show? I wish there was some way I could meet some of you, but maybe at some other show we can plan ahead. Oh, I checked out that RockToon page and it was really cool. I've always wondered what Chris' feet looked like!!!!! Anyway, thanks again to the Chicago SOMMSters and have a happy day. Hugz & Cyber Kisses!! Kelly :) ------------------------------ From: "Polly, Eliza" Subject: love's for everyone who isn't me.... well gang, just got my pics from Chicago back and i am bummed - they mostly *suck*!!!! aside from a zillion tiny, dark pictures of Chris on stage surrounded by a zillion ugly-headed moshers, there are 5 keepers: * great shot of Seth and Gonzo and Jamie (yes, a full face pic of the BabeMagnet for those who havent seen him ;-) lol * adorable shot of the List Thug *adorable shot of Biff and DeeDee and *good shot of the "Soundgarden Dressing Room" sign *another good shot of DeeDee and half of Aaron They are all great for the page - I will get em scanned and send em to you guys. Otherwise, waaaaaaah! But I am waiting for Toni's shot that includes me and Chris *sigh* Wallowing in the aftershocks.... eliza ------------------------------ From: "Phelan, Kate" Subject: Looks like teen spirit... From: AvAndrea@aol.com Subject: Details Anyway, the article is dubbed, "the first solo interview" on the cover and I was wondering why he decided to do this and why now. Any thoughts? Andrea I'm curious about this as well. How in the hell did details get him to agree to an interview and a photo shoot? I'm sure they've asked him before, maybe a few times, but now we finally get him in all his fabulous glory. It's just kind of wierd to think of, Chris Cornell on the cover of a FASHION mag. Okay, well, a LIFESTYLE mag. "For Men". Or something like that. Not that I'm complaining..... From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: SG and the heroin look. Date sent: 14-NOV-1996 19:45:22 Ya know, the thing about grunge that I liked when it started was that it rejected the big hair, spandex guys as trendy and instead took the route where you just wear whatever you want. Now, that's degenerated to the so- called "grunge" look, where you must wear flannel, have semi-long greasy hair, be unshaven but not bearded, and be all pale like a heroin user... Kinda like the "new alternative" whatever new song comes on the radio or MTV... Now, Calvin Klein is making millions off of turning teens with low self-esteem onto looking like junkies. You are so right. This IS his modus operandi. That and selling little tshirts with his initials on them. (and shit that stinks!) Please. I went out and bought the latest addition to my sg, "Screaming Life/Fopp". Am I wrong or is that a picture (with out of focus head) of Kim without a shirt?!?!? I know this is a rather dimwitted thing to be asking, but I've never seen him in such a lack of shirt as this. I've listened to it once, and they sound great! Chris' voice is so ripe, like it's still in the deepening phase of adolescence. One of the songs (can't remember which) intro threw me back to Bauhaus' "Bela Lugosi's Dead". It's down pat! Thanks for reading, Kate ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Re: Interpretation of BHS tiffany wrote: > I always thought of >the black hole sun as depression. Depression and suicide run in my family >on my father's side; maybe that explains why when I hear >"wash away the rain" I think >"wash away the pain". >In other words, the song has always said to me: > > depression, won't you come, and wash the pain of life away > >The "landscape" described by the lyrics seems rather bleak to me. The >tone seems to be one of weary distaste and indifferent anger. The song >describes a state of mind that I can't help translating as depression >and despair. and i can't agree with you more. i listen to BHS a lot when i'm down. it's very soothing to hear yr feelings coming out through some beautiful song in yr CD player. i've always seen the black hole sun as the Void or nothing, and that he wants it to come and wash away his saddness. maybe not let him die, but to at least take away the pain, the saddness, the atrocities that have occured in his life. that's how i see it. but yr version is beautiful as well and we all feel different things. good job, i liked it! mind riot ____ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i'm tied within i'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: atnadzri@vax1.tristate.edu Subject: Checking in..SG hotel... Hi people.... Het Seth..nice pics u got there on the HP.Care to identify whose who(in the SOMMsters pics)i would definitely like to know and see those people i did not get tomeet on Nov 10. anyawy..does anyone here like the song Little Joe..i mean..have they played the song live on their recent tour(or the tour before?)I really loved the live rendition of that song on the video(Motorvision).... dena..make some more t-shirts!!!!!!!!!I want one!!!!!!:) Lastly...i've got my pics developed.Some are pretty good..some Ok.The pics of Chris, ben, KIm individually came out excellent.If any of u guys interested.. email me privately....till then...... Andri..... "And i hope it's a sweet ..ride...." ------------------------------ From: "Paul" Subject: Shirts What other clothing is being sold at the concerts besides the BMF long sleeve shirt? Paul ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Philly in only SIX days!!! soo..... what SOMMSters are going? (besides you michelle) i'd really like to at least be able to say hi to you guys... and, is anyone else going crazy-ass early to get a spot in line? i've been contemplating it... but i was also told that you can just shove yr way up front in the Factory. true? i dunno... i've never been there either, so any directions Philly goers have would be appreciated! just remember guys. .. SIX DAYS LEFT! the final countdown is midway done! :) mind riot :)!! ____ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i'm tied within i'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: dumo13@erols.com Subject: Gentle Ben??? Hello. You guys crack me up. Some of you are just so caring and sensitive! "Ben needs to manage his anger." Okee Dokee there Doc! "He needs therapy." RIGHT! I think anyone whose posts consist more than 80% of the digest needs therapy... you know who I'm talking about. Just because someone is in the limelight doesn't give everyone else the right to jump in and criticize their personality. Are y'all (BTW this is the real spelling, I was born and have lived in Virginia all my life) gonna tell me that Sid should have explored his feminine side? Give me a big fat break. He's an artist and an entertainer, part of his bag is an image. Let's just take all the blackness out of rockandroll and just have piles of white bread and american cheese on the stage! NO, lets get the Osmonds back into the groove... and the Partrige Family Conventions... no more tattoos or drugs or sex or violence... Atleast you folks are talking about Ben. There would be no SOundgarden as you know it without him. They would be nowhere without Ben. I can't believe that just two weeks ago I was seeking anyone even interested in Ben Shepherd and noone said anything. Then Caryn gets kicked in the head (can you believe that? In the middle of the mosh pit and she gets booted in the head?! How rare!) and the whole board lights up. Why don't all of you put it into perspective and realize the man is presenting not only music, but an act for all you losers who buy into it. If I was making loads of money and was up in front of thousands of people and some jerkoff didn't tune my bass right, I'd kick his ass too. Anyone who's played guitar for a week can tune. This guy was a professional. He made Ben look like an ass: it's not that hard to tune a bass. Besides, how do we know that the guy didn't screw up other stuff. what do you have to say to that? Chris, FOunding Father of the Ben Shepherd Coalition Against Political Correctness BSCAPC PS. WHat's up with the DC sommsfest?! Ramones or Melvins T-shirt? ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: The party you have reached... Date sent: 15-NOV-1996 17:11:46 >So...a thought...is grunge as a music form dead? Has it become, as someone >posted earlier, just a way of dressing? Gotta find me the new Details this >weekend! see ya on the flipside....ciao....deb I wrote the earlier post about grunge being changed into a style of dress by the fashion industry. A reviewer asked Kim Thayil once if grunge was dead, and Kim responded by saying that he didn't know if it was ever alive. But, in reality it was . The "Seattle sound" was a very real thing. If you listen to the early Sub Pop records, like Soundgarden's Screaming Life, Green River's Dry As A Bone, and Nirvana's Bleach, you can hear the similarities between the bands. They weren't quite metal and they weren't quite punk either. As the bands evolved, and Green River split to form Mudhoney and Pearl Jam, the sound developed further into a specific genre of rock music. The evolution of grunge was quite natural, since Seattle was so isolated from other major population centers. Both Heavy Metal and Punk music filtered into the Pacific Northwest, but it also changed as it appeared. The philosophies of both genres, which were based on a lot of musical conservatism and hatred of each other's musical styles, never arrived in Seattle, so the new bands combined Metal and Punk without qualms . So, over time, grunge appeared. It is a form of rock music which combines the minimalist tendencies of punk with the work ethic of metal, and intelligent thoughtful lyrics, while introducing alternate tunings ( such as the Melvins' "Dropped-D") and purposefully using "accidental" sounds like feedback in melodic forms. Here's my list of grunge rock bands, first Seattle, then others: 1.) Soundgarden 2.) Nirvana 3.) Alice In Chains 4.) Pearl Jam (Although, they seem to be moving away from grunge.) 5.) Screaming Trees 6.) Mudhoney 7.) The Melvins (Not officially from Seattle but the nearby town of Aberdeen.) 8.) Green River (Now disbanded.) 9.) Foo Fighters Other grunge bands: 9.) Candlebox (Although this one is arguable.) 10.) Bush 11.) Silverchair 12.) Girls Against Boys Well, that's all I can think of at the moment. Please direct comments to the list. I'd love to discuss this with you guys, but let's keep our comments to an intellectual basis, please. I'm sure that no one here would like to deal with rude and obnoxious comments. (Of course, I'm one to talk , aren't I? :) Hehehe.) Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ Subject: Re: The party you have reached... From: seth > Well, that's all I can think of at the moment. Please direct comments > to the list. I'd love to discuss this with you guys, but let's keep our > comments to an intellectual basis, please. I'm sure that no one here would > like to deal with rude and obnoxious comments. (Of course, I'm one to talk > , aren't I? :) Hehehe.) Please direct comments to the list IF THEY DEAL WITH SOUNDGARDEN. If you're going to go off on a long tangent about "grunge," use private email. Call me a groupie bitch listadmin (and you won't be the first), but I hate compiling 75-message digests when half the stuff is irrelevant. This is not a Seattle Scene mailing list, this is a Soundgarden mailing list. the sethadmin ------------------------------ From: tonerkin Subject: Cindy, Tyra, Claudia and Chris >I'm curious about this as well. How in the hell did details get him to >agree to an interview and a photo shoot? I'm sure they've asked him before, >maybe a few times, but now we finally get him in all his fabulous glory. > It's just kind of wierd to think of, Chris Cornell on the cover of a >FASHION mag. Okay, well, a LIFESTYLE mag. "For Men". Or something like >that. Not that I'm complaining..... After SU came out Details magazine did an interview with pictures(the whole band) I had the magazine and have hunted high and low for it and can not find it in this "filled to the brim" house of mine. But Sondgarden has been in Details magazine before. What I find interesting is Chris as a "supermodel" Make-up artists, hair stylists, just the right light at the beach!! It all seems so strange. But he must have agreed to do it for some reason. Maybe he got new clothes out of the deal or something! I would like to see more interviews with all of them. Does that not happen because the others(Kim, Matt, and Ben) don't want to do it?? Or are they just not asked?? toni BTW: Kate, I have pictures I can send you copies of. Just send me your address. ------------------------------ From: COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu Subject: And Yet *Another* Chicago Review... I know, I know, enough already on the Chicago Sommsfest. But I got home Monday evening still reeling from the high of the weekend only to be brought *way* down by someone. So, I felt the need to share more of my joy so as not to lessen the most incredibly awesome experiences of my entire life. Before I babble, I want to thank Kathie for "knocking on the door" of Silver Management for us. And to Erin and Susan, for not only opening that door, but inviting us into the whole incredible scene known as SG and SM. Thank you Erin, you are *the* best and made us all feel so great and special. You truly went above and beyond our wildest expectations for what might happen. Thank you, thank you, and those words don t even come close to how much this all meant to us. And of course, to the man himself, Seth. What a thrill to meet you. Thanks for creating the Unofficial page, the mailing list and giving us all the place to come together for SG. I'm thrilled for your experiences as well and am *dying* to hear more!! As you already know, all of the Sommsters are totally cool. The meeting at Moody s was a lot of fun. And Toni, fantastic job on the introductions!!! I ve found there s never enough time or opportunity to talk to everyone sufficiently when a crowd like that has gathered (*especially* a Sommster crowd). I m sorry to those of you that I did not get the chance to get to know better (for I feel like I know all of you somewhat from your posts) You are *all* great people!!! Now to the Aragon...getting our backstage passes (we re *so* special) and going through the venue, each step making me a bit more nervous and bringing us closer to the band, WOW! Yeah, wow, because words are too hard to find to describe all the feelings. Before my trip, I hadn't had much of a chance to get real excited or nervous about it. Only when we were waiting to be led backstage to their dressing room did it sink in. I am going to meet the band!!! Totally dry mouth and lump in my throat, ugh! The first group disappeared backstage and it felt like an eternity for them to reemerge. Now it was our turn (Seth, Andrea, Aaron, Vikki, Ben-Jammin, Biff, Medium Joe, Gonzo, Joe Pizano, myself and others(?) that I m missing). Being led back was like walking on a cloud, there but not really there. Going through winding hallways in a smoky haze, upstairs and into the dressing room. On the walk in, Erin is reminding us that we are going into their personal space and to be very respectful of that, that this isn't something they normally do and we re very lucky. I think we were all *so* respectful that we looked depressed when we walked in because Ben said something to the effect of "Why the somber faces, this is supposed to be a happy time." That really broke the ice for me, and I believe everyone else. Then I think Chris asked if we had things to be signed. So we're all shuffling around and I shook Chris's hand and introduced myself. As the others have said, when he looks at you with those eyes, directly into your eyes and is listening to you...there are no words. He was very nice, very friendly, very accommodating, very tall (to me) and yes, VERY good looking. I told him I was from Olympia and he said cool and wrote Thanx Bonnie and signed his name. He even asked me if it was "ie." Yes, it's "ie." I think he said thanks or something else, it s that fog thing again. Kim was next and very quick. I mentioned to him I was from Oly as well (he lived here and attended the Evergreen State College for a time) and he just gave me this great big cute smile, what a cutie! Then on to Matt. He asked if I had a pen and I didn t so we were both fumbling for one and I have no idea how we came up with one. He was very nice and seemed really into the whole scene. I think I told him I was at the Hater show. My experience with Ben was a good one. He seemed to be in a great mood. He first asked me if I had a light for his cigarette and I didn't. Then he signed his name and I mentioned that I had met him outside the OK on Halloween. He said, "Oh yeah, outside by the van?" and I said yes. He goes "Yeah, I was waiting for the ferry to go home." Cool! Then I rush over to Ben Timberlake (first and last name *must* go together ) and ask him for his lighter and promptly go over and light Ben's cigarette. (sorry Ben Timberlake, I just *had* to do it, manymany thanks for the use of your lighter!). That was some damn quick thinking on my part, I can t believe it! I also remember standing around Ben and Matt with Aaron and Andrea and they were asking if we were all at the Hater show and it was like, "Yep, I was there, Yep, I was there, Yep, I was there." After that we asked if we could take pictures and Chris said it was cool, so we snapped away. Chris was so pleasant and agreeable, just standing there looking incredibly great and at ease, letting us barrage him with flashes. I also tried to get as many pics of the others in the room (a few of Matt and Seth, a great one of Erin, but most of them seemed to be focused on Chris, go figure...) Then I asked Chris if I could have my picture taken with him and he said sure. So Andrea took our pic. I *so* much wanted to put my arm around him for the photo, which is a natural instinct, but something told me not to do it, be respectful. But I did try to stand so very close to him and he leaned his and head and body down toward mine. Then I took one of Andrea and Chris. For some reason someone had given Chris a disposable camera and he asked how it worked. It *just* so happened that I knew the answer and I ever so willingly showed him how it worked. Me: "You push this button over and hold it and wait for the light to flash here, which means it's ready." CC: "You mean just hold this button here" (yes) "and the light comes on here?" (Yep, that's it.) I gave Chris a photography lesson! ;-) Soon after, it was time to go, so we said our thank yous and out the door we went. No concept of time while we were in there. Then back out the hallway (past that cutie Ted, the drum tech) and Erin leads us upstairs to the VIP balcony. Great view and, as you've heard, the show was incredible. They were all playing great and in fantastic moods. Chris talking quite a bit between songs. I had a good seat and was able to fully take in all aspects of the show. I had my binocs and could see the smiles and facial expressions perfectly. They did a bunch of bantering back and forth with each other. I was laughing along with it, being caught up in their fun. I thoroughly enjoyed that show and thought it was the best I d seen to date (I saw them twice in 94, at the Showbox, and the Gorge Lolla). The anticipation for the second night was a little subdued at first, but I'm *always* ready to see a SG show. We got to go back up to the VIP balcony, where I chose to stand this time. Then I find out Erin is taking those of us who did not get to go onstage the first night one-by-one onstage. Ugh, there go those nerves again! I mean, I was excited to see another show, but it didn't seem like anything more could top off the events of the night before. WRONG! Erin led me up the ramp on stage during Rusty Cage (according to Seth s set list). After the song ended, the rest of the band cleared the stage and this was when Chris said he wanted to dedicate the next song (at this time Erin is pointing at me saying "This is for you!!!"). So when I heard him say "to the Sommsters...etc" I was going nuts!!!!! I guess he threw out the shirts and then went into BHS. Man, I was just blown away and mesmerized that he actually remembered and recognized us in that way. Aptly put, no longer will I head BHS in the same way again. After Chris finished the song the rest of the band came back on stage and ripped into Outshined, which was awesome. I also checked out Matt drumming. He s nothing short of amazing. About half way through, Erin told me it was time to go. Man, it was just too much to be onstage while SG is playing, let alone while Chris dedicated a song to US!!!!! Back up to the balcony and just totally got into the rest of the show. There was no way *not* to be immersed and involved. It was *SO* amazing !!!! You've heard it from the others, but it fucking kicked ass. They had such intense energy and put it into their playing and Chris into his singing and whole performance. The first night I thought was fabulous, but this show was stupendous, whatever damn word that sums up *the* best Soundgarden show I ve ever seen and can only hope to see again. We ll see how they do for the two Seattle shows in December. Once again, anxiously awaiting those dates and my chance to see them again!! I m so glad I had the opportunity to share this whole experience in the presence of my fellow Sommsters. It would not have been the same without them. I have so few people in my life who can understand what all this means to me, and to be with people who ALL felt the same was complete and liberating in a way. It s so hard to be at home and have my pictures, guest passes and autographs and maybe have one or two people who get what it all means to me. Oh well, I have you guys, and Chris will be staring at me all day long from my monitor! Ahhhhh, life *can* be good More thanks go out to Toni and Rita. I keep saying it, but you guys are the best. To let us invade your home and do it so graciously, thank you!!!!! Meeting everyone was great. Now I can put faces with names and all that. If you made it this far, thanks for enduring my message. I needed to recount this for myself and those of you who are still interested in hearing about it. Sorry to those of you who are sick of these, but it is SG and I ve always enjoyed reading what others had to say about meeting the band and their performances. Bonnie ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: The Point of it All Eliza wrote: >>Leave it to this constantly guilt-stricken emotional mushball to post = this....but i have been thinking alot today about some of the reactions = to our Chicago posts, both public and the private ones I have received. >>I would like to say that I think as a group there are really 2 main = things we have been trying to convey here: >>1. The Fans: the fans on the list are truly *wonderful* people..... >>2. The Band: We all know that the band is incredibly talented, that = is a given...and we all know we love their music, that is a = given.....BUT the most incredible thing to discover on top of all of = that is that they are WONDERFUL people. Eliza, you made two good points. What has me intrigued, though, is why = would you be feeling guilty about what you (and others) have written = about the big Chicago meeting? I think it has been GREAT to read the = comments/reviews/reports from you guys. And so do many others on this = list! Surely if you've received bad "vibes" from people you can feel = justified in ignoring them? Hell, that sounds like pure SOUR GRAPES to = me, the old green-eyed monster talking, if people have given you a hard = time. As has so often been pointed out in the past, if people don't like = reading some posts, they can always delete them!! :-) Carolyn the Martian with Fur-balls I'm deeper than the shit I'm in, and I don't really give a = damn......Iggy Pop ------------------------------ From: AMath99@aol.com Subject: soundgarden Anyone check out the interview with Chris on K-Roq (11/14/96)? It was really cool. Where are all the band members from? ------------------------------ From: "Jamie C." Subject: Stuck Between The Music and The Lyrics i must admit, i don't let the lyrics of any song influence whether or not i like it. i am a music lover, i play in an acoustic band (guitar), and in a concert band (bass clarinet). i love all types of music, such as jazz, blues, rock, classical, etc...... it is for this reason that i hold the MUSIC so high. to me, it is all that matters. for example, if a song has awe-inspiring music, but bad lyrics, i will still like it. however, i don't feel the same way about a song with thought-provoking lyrics and no music to back it up. Jim Morrison was a great poet, but i listen to the Doors because of the music. Same goes for Jimi Hendrix. Sometimes, the lyrics of a song give me a chill (ie: "Alive") Sometimes, the lyrics get my hyped up (ie: "Ty Cobb") But I listen to the music and the vocals as they intertwine..... I'm not here to come down on anyone who likes to listen and interpret lyrics or anything. It's just that I do that too much in my Canadian Lit. class, and I don't want music to be like school...... My conclusion: Music has shaped my life, not lyrics. oh yeah, One thing pisses me off: why are there so many bands with bad music and lyrics (ie: Oasis, Crash Test Dummies)????????????? ****Liam Gallagher can suck my Champagne Supernova******* - -- +jamie c.+ ******************************** "You and I are not the same.... you like everything." (I Mother Earth-"Three Days Old") ******************************** "two of us, that's dangerous" (Smashing Pumpkins-"Frail and Bedazzled") ******************************** ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Re: Age Jen wrote: > The music Soundgarden releases gets > better and better. More subtle, more polished, more skilled, more sexy. In > my mind Chris (and the others) only get better every year. > What do you lot think? I agree. I think Chris is aging VERY well. Kathie ------------------------------ From: "Jamie C." Subject: Ben i'll tell you all why i think Ben is so cool: He's a big moterfinger, doing whatever the hell he wants because he's pretty much in charge (when he's on stage). my apology: hey, i'm a guy. sometimes i like that kind of stuff. i can't help it. another, less testosterone-driven reason: - -he's a great songwriter. - ---------------------------- I totally dig that little riff in BIMH after the line: "would you cry for me..." and "would you lie for me", etc... wow. i saw shades of Hater. And the other Ben-written songs, they truly are awesome (i hate that word) anyways, I love seeing Ben's influence in the band coming to the forefront. that's all. - -- (it's almost time for new quotes...) +jamie c.+ ******************************** "You and I are not the same.... you like everything." (I Mother Earth-"Three Days Old") ******************************** "two of us, that's dangerous" (Smashing Pumpkins-"Frail and Bedazzled") ******************************** ------------------------------ From: psyche Subject: BUTOW single is here!! ok, peoples, I've got the BUTOW single!! the one with the two live tracks Gun and Get on the Snake + A Splice of Space Jam. The last one is, as some correctly mentioned, taken from the same session as Jerry Garcia's finger and like that song, this one's insturmental. The strangest thing about this single, is the cover. I was expecting either a group shot, or something connected to the video. So guess what's on the cover?..............a huge tomato with a green caterpillar crawling in. The background is just plain white. This photo seems to me so un-SGesque, that I nearly missed it in the store. I have a huge headache right now, and I can't really think, so I have yet to figure out the connection between this cover shot, the video and the BUTOW lyrics. And on the inside, there's a photo of the tomato again, only this time, there are several caterpillars seemingly attacking the poor thing. BTW the live tracks were recorded at the Whiskey, LA (1990) that's all for now sabrina ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Re: BUTOW single is here!! sabrina (psyche) writes: >ok, peoples, I've got the BUTOW single!! >the one with the two live tracks Gun and Get on the Snake + >A Splice of Space Jam. The last one is, as some correctly mentioned, hmm, you say later that the two live tracks are from the Whiskey in 1990, right? are these the same tracks on the Louder than Live promo CD? anyone know? >So guess what's on the cover?..............a huge tomato with a >green caterpillar crawling in. The background is just plain white. um...the world is a tomato gone rotten with the pollution of us caterpillars, and that's what the song is about in a round-about way, only not using those two symbols in the song (obviously). >And on the inside, there's a photo of the tomato again, only this time, there >are several caterpillars seemingly attacking the poor thing. >BTW the live tracks were recorded at the Whiskey, LA (1990) yep, same thing as i said before... the world's population (the caterpillars) are destroying the world itself (aka: the tomato) by eating it up (pollution). well, at least that's what *i* get from it.. . anyone else have any ideas? i think it's just another of those clever little confusing SG things that they do so well... what happened to the Moby remix of Dusty? wasn't that supposed to be the b-side for BUTOW? or are there two versions like PN and BIMH? mind riot ____ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i'm tied within i'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Lufkin@msvax.mssm.edu Subject: Beware of scams on fan club members! Beware of scams on Soundgarden and Alice in Chains fan club members! I have been a Soundgarden and Alice in Chains fan club member for over three years, ever since I knew the fan clubs existed. I look forward to their joint mailings and am a member of their e-mail lists. I am just back from the Soundgarden show --which I did not get to see-- which is taking place at the sold out Roseland Theater here in New York City on Friday November 15th. The line up is Tenderloin, Rocket from the Crypt, and Soundgarden. I thought I was really lucky when the fan club said (thorough their e-mail list) that they had a few tickets only for fan club members to some of the sold out shows on the current tour (I was out of the country when they went on sale to the public). Chrissy at the fan club was really nice, after I sent in my e-mail request, and then confirmed by phone, she said that since I was a fan club member my name was now on a list at the box office at Roseland holding two tickets for me and all I had to so was show up between noon and 11PM the day of the show (today) and present a picture ID and pay the face value of the tickets in cash and they were mine. Since I was a little paranoid (I had a friend coming in from outside of Manhattan) I went by the Roseland box office at noon today (had to take an hour off from work), but the person in the box office said the tickets were not yet there, and would not arrive until 7PM (the doors open at 6:45PM they said). So I went back to work a little annoyed, and just to make sure everything was OK, I called up the Roseland box office a little later and told them I had fan club tickets on reserve and did I need to be there by a certain time to get them. The person said they honor reserved tickets until 9:00PM, and the tentative line up was Tenderloin at 7:00PM, Rocket at 8:15PM, and Soundgarden at 9:30PM. So me and my friend showed up at 7:50 (I don't give a shit about Tenderloin) and were really glad we had tickets held for us, because the scalpers were asking $80.00 for a $20 ticket. When we got to the box office, the nervous person behind the window said that the "fan club" tickets were no longer honored and that we should have been there an hour before the doors opened (5:45PM) if we wanted a crack at the fan club tickets. They said the concert was sold out (we knew this) and there was no chance of getting in, then the security guards made us leave since we didn't have tickets. This was complete bullshit! Obviously the Roseland box office doesn't give a shit about honoring the Soundgarden Fan Club organizers requests. I am sure the box office employees took the tickets and sold them to the scalpers (once they heard what the price on the street was) and then just told people without prepaid tickets to fuck off!! I am sure this is not the fault of the Fan Club people (e.g. Chrissy) since you cannot do shit from Seattle to conniving people in New York. I post this simply as a warning to other fans out there never to assume that a venue or even a single employee in the box office (with a sold out show and $80.00 scalper tickets) is going to honor a reserved ticket if they can make a few lousy dollars for themselves instead. Tom ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: hang my head, drown my fear >>I have a completely different feeling about that song. I always thought of the black hole sun as depression. Yup....and for those who are *lucky* to not have heard this before, depressed people often refer to the depression as "the black hole" and there has been some literature written about the contrast between the black hole and the sun. Not to burst anyone's bubble who thought it was about other things (like promiscuity), but I have always related to this song as a song about major depression - a topic not foreign to CC. just my depressed $.02 ;-) eliza ------------------------------ From: Ac71@aol.com Subject: Roseland, NYC 11/15 ok.... I just got home from SG's first of three shows in NYC @ the Roseland ballroom....it was great.......I knew most of the set list before hand from reading most of your experiences in Chicago.....but there were a few changes in the set list.....Never the Machine Forever (1st encore before JCP)....&..(cover)..Search & Destroy....which I believe is old Iggy Pop.... highlights.....Helter Skelter with a Chris adding some lines of the Everyone's Got Something To Hide Except Me & My Monkee...into Boot Camp....this was truly a moment also......Black Hole Sun into Outshined......Blow up (great video before song with SG feedback)...Slaves & Bulldozers (great jam)....Rusty Cage......I pretty much could talk about every song but most of you saw it already and fully understand the band......seemed to be in decent spirits...although...Chris had a moment when he pointed to the VIP section at Roseland (which is another stage on the side of the club where VIPS?? are elevated from the true fans on the floor) and said something about someone from Rolling Stone Magazine ( i think it was Rolling Stone).....pointed him out pretty much and said that he was an asshole who will print anything (or something like that)....and that we should have better things to do with our cash the spend it on that shit magazine,,,,,I didn't catch everything he was saying word for word,,,,,but Chris seemed pretty pissed about something.,.....he also lashed out at the "union" crew because of an annoying hiss that was coming out of the guitar amps......Chris got pretty creative with this story too....(something about someone "shooting tiny daggers at him".........i don't know) Ben...was his usual self......didn't seem like he wanted to be there and he seemed to be telling some audience members to fuck off.......? what should not be lost however was that it was a great show.........they did not dissapoint....I personally would have liked to hear a few older songs but I understand that that era has passed for the band.......going again Sunday night....I can't wait.......later...........HEAD INJURY ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: the pictures Hey.. I am looking at the SOMMSfest '96 pic. right now.... COOL!!!! I am so glad to see everyone.. one question though.. who is who on the pictures outside moody's???? will someone fill me in? Thanks a big O bunch! Hey.. Go me.. (Sorry gonna gloat here!!!) Matt is wearing MY hat... hehehe.... GO me!! Go me!!! Matt is wearing one of the hats I had given him when I met him at Hater!!! GO me GO me!! sorry.... I couldnt help that... DO ya blame me??? hehehehe =)~ Blessed SOMMS Goddess and Crazy Shirt/Hat Making Girl Dena :)~ ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: BUTOW single is here!! GRRL NIKI FREER wrote: > hmm, you say later that the two live tracks are from the Whiskey in > 1990, right? are these the same tracks on the Louder than Live promo > CD? anyone know? Even though I haven't heard these tracks, its probably pretty safe to say "yes." What I don't get is why they are recycling old b-sides. Why don't they release "Everybodies Got Something..." and "Thank You Falletin Me Be Mice Elf Again" officially?!?!! > what happened to the Moby remix of Dusty? wasn't that supposed to be > the b-side for BUTOW? or are there two versions like PN and BIMH? Yup, there's two versions. - -- Chris Mackenzie - cmackenz@spots.ab.ca - The Unofficial Wellwater Conspiracy Homepage - http://www.spots.ab.ca/~cmackenz/ - "Wellwater tastes better than tap water any day!" - SWRJr. ------------------------------ From: psyche Subject: Re: BUTOW single is here!! At 23:03 11/15/1996 -0500, mind riot wrote: > hmm, you say later that the two live tracks are from the Whiskey in >1990, right? are these the same tracks on the Louder than Live promo >CD? anyone know? well, according to the little sticker on the cover of the single, the three tracks were previously unreleased; but maybe they're just talking about the 'official releases', b/c the live tracks *are* in fact the same as the LTLive ones. >what happened to the Moby remix of Dusty? wasn't that supposed to be >the b-side for BUTOW? or are there two versions like PN and BIMH? There are two versions; I think the one I got is part 1of the two-part box-set. The other version has only one b-side (Dusty remix). sabrina ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: SOMMSfest photos Seth wrote: >>There's a link from the private mailing list Web page to some of my photos from the gathering....... >>The direct URL is [deleted again. -seth :) ] Seth, the photos are great! But are you going to let us know the names = of all those appearing in the two big group photos? From left to right, = who is who?? I can pick out Jamie, Monnica, Vikki and Biff, but that's = where I become totally lost! =20 Looking forward to really knowing my fellow Sommsters........ {by the way - a photo of me and Alex (Aleko) will be sent to you = sometime for the Member Directory - when we met back in January in = Sydney - the only "big" (!!) Somms-meet I've been involved in!!} Carolyn the Masterful Filmstar People worry - what are they worrying about today?.....Violent Femmes ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 306] ****************************************