From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 15 Nov 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 01:48:39 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Friday, 15 Nov 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Guidelines Re: Chris' lyrics meaningless? Re: distorted media Age opening bands Chris/Details Cover first entry FOUND: Paradise Sacramento and Oakland Re: Michael Apple (BHS) Re: One more Thang!! OK maybe two! o.t.l. Re: lyrics with no meanings? Details Those boys!!! re: stereotyping SG men and women ATLANTA IS.... Re:Your Mail Hype! in Chicago? Chris on Q101 in Chicago Sunday at 8:00 PM jcp y lz.... Re: Re:Black Hole Sun video/Sexist Soundgarden What Is This...... Chris finally comes clean about his lyrics an arsehole re: kim gorgeous Re: nothing (really) to say... Re: stereotyping SG men and women Re: Kim Thayil Guild article Re: kim gorgeous Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 13 Nov 1996 SOMMSfest photos Austin SOMMS meeting SG and the heroin look. Re: stereotyping SG men and women and whatsoever I've fought off, became my life... if you like the sound... Re: No plane fare for me Re: Listen up... The Problem with Ben New damages and directions SG and SLC Old digests and HYPE! ------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Guidelines From: seth Please read this! The following are some guidelines for ensuring your stay at the SOMMS Hotel is a pleasant one and that you don't piss of the other guests or the people at the Front Desk: 1) Have you already sent 4 messages to the list today? If so, seriously consider getting treatment for Nothingman Syndrome. That is, if you for some reason feel compelled to publicly and separately answer every piece of mail that comes down the chute, think twice before firing off yet another reply to all of us. Private mail has its merits. 2) Are you responding to a thread that died 6 days ago because you just now got around to checking your email? If so, think about whether you really want to rekindle the fire or if you just want to see your name in the digest. 2a) Are you responding to a thread that died six days ago and is not Soundgarden-related? If so, think about whether or not you really want to be taken off the SOMMS Hotel guest list. 3) Are you quoting a 3-page message and adding one new line of your own? If so, why don't you go back and delete all of the quoted message except the relevant portions? 3a) Are you quoting the entire digest and sending it back to the list? If so, why don't you go back and delete all of the quoted digest except the relevant portions? (Note: failure to comply with this guideline is grounds for eviction from the hotel) 4) Are you sending a message about "moshing," "Seattle," or the "industry" without specific relevance to Soundgarden? If so, the bellboy can help you with your bags. seth Hotel Concierge ------------------------------ From: Candy Haun Subject: Re: Chris' lyrics meaningless? I agree that Chris lyrics arent meaningless. I believe that some of his lyrics do have a specific meaning and some do not, at least not on a conscious level. He says he likes to paint pictures with words (which is exactly what he does and one reason I love his lyrics so much) but even if he isnt intentionally putting meaning into his words, they are still a reflection of his thoughts, no matter how random they may seem to him or to us. I really prefer not to overanalyze lyrics and just let them float around in my head and conjure up my own personal images. I do enjoy reading other peoples impressions and sometimes I am surprised that they get a completely different take on the meaning. I am also interested in hearing what Chris says regarding his lyrics, but I think if he revealed too much, it would kind of spoil it for me. I suppose I agree with the idea of throwing your art out there for those who like it to enjoy and letting THEM interpret it. Some of my favorite paintings are nonobjective art and a lot of Chris lyrics remind me of that. Of course, there are many people who dont like a painting unless they can tell what that painting represents, and so it is the same with lyrics. Neither is wrongits just the difference in people. I am the type of person to whom very few things are black and white, and I love to ponder all those shades of gray. Chris Cornells lyrics give me a lot of those shades of gray. Candy ------------------------------ From: psyche Subject: Re: distorted media At 09:44 11/13/1996 -0800, Andrea wrote: >Actually, the quote was, "..with fucking cartoon characters." ; ) >I'll send in my chicago review soon-if you guys can stomach one more. about that quote again; I'm assuming Chris was talking about that new movie "Space Jam", (w/ Michael Jordan). As some of you might remember, the new b-side for BUTOW is called "A Splice of Spacejam" and I can't help wondering if this somehow refers to the movie or if it's just a weird coincidence....... sabrina ------------------------------ From: fmeu600e@liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Age Dear All, I got a few angry messages yesterday for suggesting that Chris might old. I don't understand. What's wrong with age? Maturity, wisdom, skill. So Chris is a few years older than the members of Silverchair or Ash, but in my book thats no bad thing. The music Soundgarden releases gets better and better. More subtle, more polished, more skilled, more sexy. In my mind Chris (and the others) only get better every year. What do you lot think? Love and stuff Jen xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------ From: gjw10@yoknapatawpha.pols.columbia.edu Subject: opening bands I feel compelled to comment on people's behavior toward the opening bands. I've seen some reviews of the shows which talk about how the crowd boos, throws stuff at, etc. Tenderloin and Rocket From the Crypt. What's the point of engaging in this type of behavior? You certainly are entitled to your opinion, but why express it in this manner? You're not going to get the bands offstage any quicker and you're only interfering with other people's enjoyment of the show. Some people might actually be there to see the opening bands. If you don't like the bands, sit on your hands or go later to the show. My bet is that most of the people booing, throwing stuff, etc., have never had the talent or the guts to get up and perform in front of a crowd. Show a little respect. Soundgarden has not always been the headlining act, and I'm sure most people on this list would be upset if SG was treated in the way the opening acts on this tour are being treated. SG must think their opening bands have some redeeming qualities, otherwise they wouldn't be touring with them. I couldn't believe it when people were booing Tad on the last tour. Tad helped build this whole genre of music, along with Mudhoney, Nirvana, and SG. Getting off my soapbox... _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ Gregory J. Wawro gjw10@columbia.edu _/ _/ Department of Political Science phone: 212/854-**** _/ _/ Columbia University fax: 212/222-0598 _/ _/ 741 International Affairs _/ _/ New York, NY 10027 _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ------------------------------ From: Malvol7@aol.com Subject: Chris/Details Cover Sorry if this has already been posted, but for some reason I haven't received the digest for over 3 weeks, so there was no way I could check it out. Just wanted to mention that CC is on the cover of the new Details magazine...there's also an interview. ------------------------------ From: Chris_Arthur@brahms2.tivoli.com Subject: first entry Hello all. As this is my first entry, I do not have a whole hell of a lot to say. I have enjoyed reading all of your reviews and am anxiously awaiting the bands arrival here in Austin Texas. That's right, we don't all listen to country down south. I look forward to submitting my own review once SG plays. ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: FOUND: Paradise Hey list! since some of you didnt quite get the jest of my SG toronto review at 1:30am last night...I'll explain. My official list review is simply one word, wow. It sums everything up into one big non bandwidth wasting thought. :-) I will write an offlist review. Some of you have asked for it (which really surprises me)...plus I'd like to get my experience down on the hard drive....so it will happen probably tomorrow. If anyone would like a copy, I'll email it to you...but be warned. It will be very long...and will contain high flame content. :-) And NO, absolutely none of the flame content will be band directed. Steve - - Heavy rotation: tylenol, cherry cough drops and ginger ale. ------------------------------ From: Tiffany S StClaireMefret Subject: Sacramento and Oakland I'm thrilled that my favorite band is playing just a few miles from where I live! If anyone is going to the Sacramento show, send me private e-mail. I will make a list and arrange a SOMMS get-together. I'm also going to Oakland. I have some extra tickets. If anyone is interested, send me private e-mail. Counting the days, - -Tiffany ------------------------------ From: Monnica Lewis Subject: Re: Michael Apple (BHS) Hmmm. That's an interesting take on BHS. I had never considered anything like that. I always took it to be about getting older and how physical beauty seems to fade etc. and how the outward appearance may not always match the way a person feels about themselves. It's interesting, to me at least, to hear what lyrics mean to other people. Monnica ---------- From: clmiller To: SOMMS Subject: Re: Michael Apple (BHS) Date: Wednesday, November 13, 1996 1:40PM Black Hole Sun is meant to be a commentary on the governmental and institutional vices that exist in today's society. The opening lines IN MY EYES INDISPOSED IN DISGUISE AS NO ONE KNOWS HIDES THE FACE LIES THE SNAKE THE SUN IN MY DISGRACE is meant to show how people are never really what they seem. I think that Chris Cornell subscribes to the psychological theory that people are inherently evil, and that a facade is often erected in order to hide those dirty shameful deeds that we humans are so good at performing. ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: One more Thang!! OK maybe two! Hi list members I am back from my vacation And I have about 200 messages to catch up on. The long sleeve t-shirt w/the BMF logo is super mega cool.I picked one up for myself at Sat. show.At the Detroit show I was planning on getting a second one.Not one single concession at that show had the Long sleeve t-shirts for sale. I saw the book "Noise from...At the bookstore where I bought a copy of Details w/Chris C on the cover.The book is priced at $25.00.That a little bit expensive for 2-3 photos of Soundgarden.So that one will have to wait until later. Gonzo At 03:53 PM 11/12/96 -0500, you wrote: >Rememeber when Frank asked us about Soundgarden merchadise that we would >like to see?? And the BMF wheel was a top item mentioned on shirts, hats >etc. Well, at the concerts there was a very cool black long sleeved T-shirt >with BMF logo on the front and Soundgarden down the sleeve!! It's great but >it did cost $32!!!! Do you think we could take up a collection for Kim and >buy him a few new t-shirts??? He wore his TOOL shirt again on Saturday >night. That shirt has been around for a loooooooooooooooooog time!! Also, >did anyone see the book "Noise from the Undergroud" A history of alternative >Rock Photos. Young Chris is on the cover. Two interesting photos of the band >inside. Jaime Gonzalez Computer Repair Technician Engineering Services Michigan State University 505 Computer Center 353-5266 JGG@pilot.msu.edu FAX:517/3536506 ------------------------------ From: Chris_Arthur@brahms2.tivoli.com Subject: o.t.l. This is odd. Since adding my name to the mailing list a few days ago my mailbox has been inundated with letters. However, as soon as I decide to throw my hat into the ring the mail mysteriously ceases. Is everyone out to lunch, or what? Keep the reviews coming. ------------------------------ From: Valahovic Subject: Re: lyrics with no meanings? From: Stephanie Valahovic 'T-A-M' I do feel your right, there is meaning behind the lyrics, but I don't think they have literal meanings. This is just a thought, but I think Chris writes lyrics based on an emotional level. Since everyone has different feelings towards life, interpreting Chris' emotional out look in his lyrics might be difficult to impossible. You also might look at it in the respects of experiences that we might or might not share with Chris, and whether or not we can make that connection with his lyrics with the same emotional meaning. This isn't easy for me, but....... A really good example for me, is the song 'Like Suicide', I didn't like the song when I first heard it, and after finding out it was about a bird that had broke it's neck, which Chris had put out of it's misery with a brick, I find that dislike the song even more now. It didn't have anything to do with what 'Like Suicide' sounded like, it was a painful emotional level that gave me bad feelings towards the song, (my mother had died when I was 15 yrs old,my father had to decide to take he off of the machines that were keeping her alive). On the other side of the coin, many people love this song. It's possible they feel courage or mercy in their interpretation, where I only see a decision that leaves one spiritually harmed and emotionally scarred. Monnica Lewis Wrote: > > Hi again! > > You know, I was just thinking about how Chris is always saying his > lyrics don't have any meaning. I'm not sure I buy this. I mean, > he is a really private person so maybe that's just his way of > getting out of sharing what the lyrics mean to him personally with > everyone else. I mean, listening to the words, I'm sure all of us > (granted I'm making a generalization here), find some kind of > meaning in them. And personally, I just don't believe he's just > pulling words out a hat . I'm interested in what you guys think > about this? > > Monnica P.S. To everyone who reads this... I don't respond to flames, they only degrade the integrity of the Mailing list: it's members and Seth. Please be kind to eachother, this can be done regardless of whether you agree or disagree. ------------------------------ From: AvAndrea@aol.com Subject: Details Imagine my excitement when I got home from work last night and found Chris sitting on my coffee table!!! Okay, it was just his likeness on the cover of Details, but what a beautiful thing to come home to! The article is kind of so-so, not alot of new info or insights. There is a paragraph or two toward the end where Chris talks about his lyrics and how it's hard to be objective about them, which I thought was interesting. The pictures are great but a little scary (which kind of does it for me, so I didn't mind that too much :-)). Anyway, the article is dubbed, "the first solo interview" on the cover and I was wondering why he decided to do this and why now. Any thoughts? Andrea ------------------------------ From: "Jen Kern" Subject: Those boys!!! Just received some interesting info....not really relevant, but thought I would share it with those who are planning on seeing the shows in Seattle. As you all know, they are playing at Mercer Arena, which holds around 6,000 however, they were only selling 5,000 tickets per show--the reason: Guess how many people SG has on their guest list for the shows---750!!! WOW !! JEN ------------------------------ From: "Kazam Ali" >From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) >Subject: Re: Dogs being blind and such > > >>Rosee, my favs of Temple are Wooden Jesus, All Night Thing, and Call Me a >>Dog... >> >>Jonathan >>"Soundgarden is like a loose steering wheel...Mischievious yet playful." >>--Mattster > > >If I forgot "Call Me A Dog" as a song on my list of favorite TOTD songs, I >must be crazy! I totally love that song! It's one of those songs that I >like because of Chris' voice, which gives me an undescribable feeling. > >RoseeMisst Well, once again, I must agree here.....THAT song (along with the rest of the album) is the ultimate for getting me out of any kind of depression. "Call Me a Dog" was THE perfect song to listen to after my ex and I broke up. I don't know what it is either, Rosee, but the overall feeling of the words (and his voice, of course) totally overwhelm me with emotion and somehow gets me out of a bad mood every time!! Kazam ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: re: stereotyping SG men and women >In response to: MICHAEL APPLE >It makes sense that more women would drool over Chris than Kim, for >the simple fact that Chris is the frontman, and therefore the most visible >to the audience. Kim, as lead guitarist, will not move around as much, > >AntiDog writes: >Dont follow the stereotypes for your gender . Be your OWN DOG! The fact that more women drool over Chris has nothing to do with his being a frontman, in my opinion. If Kim was the frontman, Chris would still be a hottie!! Yeah, Chris is visible to the audience--but MORE visible? Come on! The media portrays Chris as some kind of introvert. I find massive articles on Kim all the time. Most of the time, the media will focus on the frontperson of a band, barely mentioning the others. As far as Chris and Kim go, They both get a nearly equal amount of articles written about them. I hope that this message gets through the right way. RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: "Wilson Vanessa Faye" Subject: ATLANTA IS.... 9 FUCKING DAYS AWAY!!!!!!!!! (vanessa) ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re:Your Mail Date sent: 14-NOV-1996 15:47:37 >What do you all think about Chris in the latest issue of DETAILS mag.? >It's the same kind of article that I've seen written over and over >again. They really don't know what to write about other than the fact >that Chris is extremely reclusive, and he is part of the difinitive >seattle scene, and blah blah blah. It's not his fault, but maybe the >interview shouldn't have been done. Esp. with him the only focus of >attention. I don't know. How about some other thoughts? I thought the interviewer asked the same exact things that have been asked for years. How many times does Chris have to talk about his fucking hair? Leave the poor guy alone!!! Plus, what's wrong with being reclusive? I am reclusive myself. Everyone thinks it's because either: a.) I'm stuck up, or b.) I have some psychological problem. The real answer is because people annoy me. And I think you'll get the same kind of answer out of Chris. His reclusiveness probably gives him more time to think, and therefore he gives us those wonderfully insightful lyrics of his. When I read those words, I really feel like he's a kindred spirit. Anyone feel the same way? >This is insignificant really, but does anyone have an idea of why he's so >fucking thin lately?! I don't think he's thin at all. That one picture where he looks like a skeleton was probably just a bad photo. Being thin is a good thing. There so much excess in the world that when you run into people like Soundgarden, who reject the excess, everyone is mezmerized. Weird shit, huh? :) Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: gwm@starnetinc.com Subject: Hype! in Chicago? Some people were talking about getting a SOMMSfest going for the opening of Hype! in Chicago. If we are, where is the movie playing at? I can find a spot if you need me to. Dave Miller ********************************************* *I like to trade bootlegs. * *Check out my Pearl Jam homepage at: * *http://pwp.starnetinc.com/gwm/pearl.htm * *You can find my bootlist there * *PEARL JAM AND SOUNDGARDEN RULE! * ********************************************* ------------------------------ From: gwm@starnetinc.com Subject: Chris on Q101 in Chicago Sunday at 8:00 PM The subject says it all. A one-hour interview with Chris (probably from last weekend) will be airing on Sunday at 8:00 PM central time on Q101 (101.1 FM) in Chicago. Dave Miller ********************************************* *I like to trade bootlegs. * *Check out my Pearl Jam homepage at: * *http://pwp.starnetinc.com/gwm/pearl.htm * *You can find my bootlist there * *PEARL JAM AND SOUNDGARDEN RULE! * ********************************************* ------------------------------ From: Luck's Last Match Subject: jcp y lz.... Spanglish rocks. Ok, first of all, today i did the usal record store thing, looking through all the used stuff, and what do i find but a copy of the Jesus Christ Pose single! Yay!!!!!! I mean i know it doesn't have any songs that i don't already have, but the earliest single i had before that was spoonman....One thing i want to know, though, about mi disco. Who is that on the inside shot to the right of kim? The hair is too curly to be matt, and it doesn't look enough like lyle lovett to be ben.... But maybe i'm wrong. Doesn't happen much, but sometimes.... On to the lz part. I also found a copy of led zeppelin/led zeppelin used, and bought it since several people told me that i should be more educated about their music (the beatles are also people i should know more about). Well, i can't see how people say they are soundgarden-esque. The sound is completely different. Esp. Good times, Bad times. That's so not SG... But i did find one similarity--one of the riffs in dazed and confused sounds like part of the riff from rhinosaur. Anyone else agree? Oh, and also, i love hearing from sommsters and all, but the digest is getting really long lately--i got to a computer lab before classes just so i could read it, and i still didn't finish!!!! I wonder if it could be split into two parts or something. I imagine you people who aren't on the digest are having full mailboxes these days.... laters. -j "Those storm dogs howling, run to hunt you down..." -Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: Re:Black Hole Sun video/Sexist Soundgarden Date sent: 14-NOV-1996 16:11:16 >At 18:51 12/11/96 -0500, Michael Apple wrote: >>Date sent: 12-NOV-1996 18:39:20 > >Thanks for responding to my post Michael. > >> I hated the video for Black Hole Sun. It has absolutely nothing to do >>with the song's intention: to convey the idea of the misuse of sex to >>escape problems. (Well, at least, that's what I got out of it. Anyone >>else got any theories on Black Hole Sun? Let's hear them.) > >I still think BHS is a great video, even if it was played to death on MTV. > >As to it's meaning, a couple of weeks ago, on British TV, Chris Cornell said >that he always smiled to himself when audiences sang along to BHS because >they don't have any idea what it means. *Because* it doesn't mean anything! >He thinks of if as a sort of musical or lyrical landscape and Howard >Greehalgh just came up with his own visual landscape. (I can't remember his >exact words - help me out here Sabrina!) Well, you don't actually expect Chris to tell everyone the meaning do you!! :) That would ruin all the fun. If he told us what the meaning of the lyrics are, we'd be thinking of that every time we heard the song, instead of coming up with our own conclusions. There was an American poet named Robert Frost who wrote a poem called "Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening." If you closely examine the poem, it is a deep study of man's concept of death. But, when interviewed about the poem's meaning Frost said that the man in the poem was just "trying to get the hell out of there." If Frost had revealed the meaning of the poem, every reader from then on would see that in the poem, insterad of seeking their own truths from it. But, still, Chris may not have tried to put any meaning into the lyrics. I wrote a song called "I", thinking that the words meant nothing. THen, a couple of months later, I realized that it was about the feelings I had when I broke up with my girlfriend. It may nopt have been intentional, but it was there. Okie, I'm going to try to interpret the lyrics to Black Hole Sun. :) I just hope that you people out there don't think I'm a pervert or something. (I am, but that's not the point. :) ) In my eyes Indisposed In disguise As no one knows Hides The Face Lies the snake The sun in my disgrace Okay, the main character of the poem (not necessarily Chris) is feeling ashamed of something, so he hides his shame with sex. The snake is a common phallic symbol (and you can figure out how it would be in disguise .) Boiling heat Summer stench 'Neath the black The sky looks dead Call my name Through the cream And I'll hear you scream again. This is referring to the actual act itself. But the sex isn't passionate (as can be seen by references to the sky being dead and stenches .) He is waiting for some kind of acknowledgement from his partner, then he'll use her again, to hide his depressive feelings. Black Hole Sun won't you come And wash away the rain Black Hole Sun Won't you come Won't you come Here the character is talking about his wish that the "black hole sun" (the female sexual organ) will wash away the "rain" of his depression. Stuttering Cold and dead Steal the warm wind tired friend Times are gone for honest men And sometimes Far too long for snakes The act has been finished, and now, instead of basking in the afterglow, the character feels his depression returning. The reference of times being gone "for honest men" is probably about his own feelings that he has lied to his partner, by pretending to be in passion. In my shoes A walking sleep And my youth I pray to keep Heaven send Hell away No one sings Like you Anymore The character is leaving his partner's place now, but feeling no better than when he went there. He wishes to keep his youth, so that he may continue with the only thing that gives him any kind of respite from his depression. He knows that what he is doing is wrong, so he asks that "heaven send hell away." Then, he compliments how well heaven "sings", how well it fulfills people's true longings. Hang my head Drown my fear Till you all Just disappear The character is going to continue drowning his "fear" and depression through the misuse of sex, "till you all just disappear" when he dies. I don't know if anyone else will agree with this interpretation, but that's what I get out of the song. Chris basically wrote a poem about how promiscuity can be an indication of those people having low self-esteem. >I'm sure I have read other stuff where CC says it's just words - he likes to >'paint' with words sometimes. But, once the song is out there it is up to >you to decide what it means to you. Yeah, so my interpretation of the song may be just something I see in the lyrics. Someone else may have different ideas about the lyrics, and I'd love to discuss this with them. :) >You also wrote: > >> Seriously though, does anyone think that they would have made Susan >>Silver their manager if they were sexist? And don't say it was only >>because she was dating Chris, because he expressed that he thought it would >>be a bad idea because of their closeness. The reason they made her their >>manager was because she is VERY GOOD at managing bands. > >Michael, I, for one, wouldn't dream of saying that. She was already a booker >on the Seattle club scene, when Chris was grilling fish and singing dead >people's greatest hits with The Shemps ( I think):-) Actually, she started out managing the U-Men, back in the Deep Six days. Then, later on, she started managing Soundgarden and Alice in Chains (not to mention Hater, too. :) ) But, the early experience managing the U- Men probably led her to become such a strong person in the music industry. Someday, I'd like to get Silver to manage my band (if we ever get to a national level, which probably won't happen. :) ) Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: Aferdity@aol.com Subject: What Is This...... What is this? A almost happy looking Chris Cornell on the cover of Details. I know everybody already knows he was on the cover but for those who haven't read the interview, it says a lot about him. The pictures are also great! Whoever said that he was a beautiful person(I think it was DeeDee)was not joking. I mean, PERSON is the key word in this sentence. I just wonder what he has to be so depressed about. I know he enjoys privacy and being alone, but what does he really have to be sad about. "I never saw Chris smile more broadly than the moment he was told that an article in the Journal of Medical Ethics described happiness as a psychiatric disorder." I think this statement is classic and at least we all know that Chris is in no way mentally ill. Just as long as he keeps doing what he loves, that will make him happy and us VERY happy. Sorry to babble on!! Hugz & Cyber Kisses!!! Kelly :) ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Chris finally comes clean about his lyrics Monnica wrote: > You know, I was just thinking about how Chris is always saying his lyrics > don't have any meaning. I'm not sure I buy this. I mean, he is a really > private person so maybe that's just his way of getting out of sharing what > the lyrics mean to him personally with everyone else. Well Chris has finally admitted the truth, in Details magazine: It shouldn't surprise anyone that a person as private as Cornell doesn't want to talk about songs he writes. Part of his refusal makes sense - what part of "get on the snake" is it that you don't understand? The other part is predictable self-defense. "When you write your own lyrics," Chris says, "you tend to be overanalytical. One second everything you do is brilliant, and the next, everything is garbage, and I want to be able to express personal things without being made to feel stupid." Then he talks about when he wrote the line about looking California and feeling Minnesota: "But after the record came out and we went on tour, everybody would be screaming along with that particular line when it came up in the song. That was a shock. How could anyone know that that was one of the most personally specific things I had ever written? It was just a tiny line. But somehow, maybe because it was personal, it just pushed that button." So finally he admits what I think we all already knew. I think this shows a leap in confidence for him, and appreciation for the fact that his fans DO have a feel for him what he's trying to say (and that we aren't stupid enough to believe that such emotional lyrics have no meaning). I get the digest, so I hope this wasn't all already said. If so, sorry for the repeat. Kathie ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: an arsehole Hey there list, I stumbled upon something on the web yesterday that may be of interest to many of you. It seems there is this jerk on the web who thinks he has the greatest Soundgarden website. http://www.angelfire.com/pg0/sound/index.html He doesn't, not by a long shot. The material on his site is all stolen from Seth's page. And what is even more outrageous is that he does not have permission to use this material, does not give credit for the material, and doesn't even MENTION Seth's site. He has a multimedia section which simply links to the appropriate multimedia files on sgi.net's server!!! It is truly sickening and offensive. Many of us, including myself have devoted hours of our time to making Seth's page what it is. Not to mention Seth's endless hours updating, revising, organizing, etc. I think we all owe it to ourselves and to Seth not to tolerate this kind of bullshit. If everyone who has contributed to the page sends one message to "Dave" and one to his server, requesting that he remove all "borrowed" material, I think he may get the message. And even if you haven't contributed, go ahead and protest his thievery. His email address is dmacin@po-box.mcgill.ca Hi server's email address is: mail@angelfire.com Those of you who watch MuchMusic may be interested to know that his site is linked to from Much's site. In the countdown area, he represents Soundgarden on the web. You may also wish to email MuchMusic (muchmail@muchmusic.com) to make them aware of a much better site, at http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/ Thank you for listening, Geoff ------------------------------ From: Shanna Moore HI. I don't normally post here, usually I just read the mail, but I was wondering if any one out there is going to the LA show sunday December1? I'm currently going to school in Boston, and let me tell ya, I am more than overjoyed to be going home and seeing this show. Shanna (smokey5) ------------------------------ From: Valahovic Subject: re: kim gorgeous From: Stephanie Valahovic 'T-A-M' !!!Yes I'm not the only one who thinks this!!! Kim has a !HUG ME! teddy bear written all over him. jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) Wrote: > ..... Kim is absolutely gorgeous. He has the most unbelievable > eyes and that smile that makes you go weak in the knees. ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: nothing (really) to say... The guitar pick that comes in the Rock view interview cd.IT doesn't say Soundgarden on it.Just the word "Rock view" on it.The one I have is a thick gauge red pick.The interview itself is interesting,although it is not the entire session.The recording end abruptly as Chris begins answering the question about what is the meaning to the Song Loud love. I got mine for $12.00,or less because Gary sells me stuff w/o the markup. The entire session is only about 20-25 minutes long.I say go ahead and buy it.It doesn't cost very much and the mini poster is pretty neat. At 11:14 AM 11/6/96 +1000, you wrote: > just wondering if anyone has bought the soundgarden interview cd I >saw in a record store yesterday. it is a picture disc, and contains a >small poster and guitar pick (the company's name is on the tip of my >tongue, but I just can't quite get it out). the cd itself was sealed, so I >couldn't inspect the contents, but the girl behind the counter agreed with >me that the pick would probably just have "soundgarden" stamped on it in >some fashion. has anyone picked it up? I'm interested in what the >interview has to say for itself. Jaime Gonzalez Computer Repair Technician Engineering Services Michigan State University 505 Computer Center 353-5266 JGG@pilot.msu.edu FAX:517/3536506 ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: stereotyping SG men and women Date sent: 14-NOV-1996 18:56:28 >>In response to: MICHAEL APPLE >>It makes sense that more women would drool over Chris than Kim, for >>the simple fact that Chris is the frontman, and therefore the most visible >>to the audience. Kim, as lead guitarist, will not move around as much, >> >>AntiDog writes: >>Dont follow the stereotypes for your gender . Be your OWN DOG! > >The fact that more women drool over Chris has nothing to do with his being >a frontman, in my opinion. If Kim was the frontman, Chris would still be a >hottie!! Yeah, Chris is visible to the audience--but MORE visible? Come >on! The media portrays Chris as some kind of introvert. I find massive >articles on Kim all the time. Most of the time, the media will focus on >the frontperson of a band, barely mentioning the others. As far as Chris >and Kim go, They both get a nearly equal amount of articles written about >them. I know where you're coming from, but I still think that Chris gets that much attention because he's the frontman. Kim gets all of those articles for usually two reasons: 1.) Chris took off (like when they interviewed Soundgarden for Hype!) or 2.) It's a guitar interview and since Kim is far more proficient on the guitar he gets the interview. All the articles in mainstream magazines are usually directed at Chris , because he's the focus of attention on stage. Imagine an alternate universe where Matt stayed in Skin Yard, Chris remained a drummer and out of pure desperation Kim becomes the singer. Kim discovers that he actually has a REALLY GOOD singing voice (one which reviewers compare to Robert Plant from Led Zeppelin. :) ) Who do you think women would be drooling over? Kim, the highly charismatic, reclusive lead singer, or Chris who's in the background? It's just a matter of perspective I guess. Kim is a really cool guy. I don't know if he's good looking because I'm a guy, but he's a VERY good guitar player. Maybe we should try to move away from physical appearances in our discussions of SG and stick to their music. Later, >I hope that this message gets through the right way. Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: Kim Thayil Guild article The Dec.'96 Guitar Issue I was referring to, has a pencil led sketch of Ritchie Blackmore and the new guitar player for Deep Purple.Um..Steve Morse,yeah thats him. Gonzo At 10:04 PM 11/8/96 -0600, you wrote: >jgg@pilot.msu.edu writes: >>Hey guitar players >> dec issue of Guitar has an equipment review featuring Kim,s >>gear.it is a short article but it is informative.Brain fart,I can n't >>remember >>who,is on the cover. >>Gonzo > >Hm, the December issue of GuitarWorld also has info on Kim's guitars and >such.. >its the one with marilyn manson on the cover... >well i haven't seen the Guitar mag yet but i would have to go with the GWorld >because it has a kik ass poster of Kim's Guild S-100. his main guild guitar >that he used for recording on the last three albums.. >-pencapchew >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jaime Gonzalez Computer Repair Technician Engineering Services Michigan State University 505 Computer Center 353-5266 JGG@pilot.msu.edu FAX:517/3536506 ------------------------------ From: Valahovic Subject: Re: kim gorgeous From Stephanie Valahovic 'T-A-M' Kim has said he's not married, but he does have a live-in girlfriend. I think he referred to her as his common-law wife. alexander ebora wrote: > > is he married? i have been wondering this for a long time even > though i'm a guy. ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 13 Nov 1996 Date sent: 14-NOV-1996 19:20:24 >IN reply to Michael Apple's question about people moving to Seattle.. >Well, I think it may have slowed down a little, but not alot... Not >enough to make a difference anyway. Maybe its just not as bad whrer I >live.. I dont like IN Seattle... Im in wonderful Seattle suberbia. =] Oh >well. Anyway, It seems everyone moves here, not just down-on-their-luck >musicans.. Though why ANYONE would move here is beyond me.. highest >perking tickets.. third worst trafffic.. highest suicide rate... But >I've never lived anywhere else.. so is Seattle just better than >everywhere esle? Ah I love his place.. *tee-hee* Well, I don't think Seattle is really any better than anywhere else, but a lot of people think they are going to find some kind of paradise there. I plan on moving to Seattle after I finish school, but this isn't a decision I've just made. I've wanted to live in Seattle ever since I saw Harry And The Hendersons (which was set in Seattle. :) ) When Nirvana first came out (and I was still getting beaten up for liking them by all the Motley Crue lovin' metalheads), and I saw that they were from Seattle, I was like "Wow, what a coincidence! That's where Harry is from!" :) But, of course, when I mention that I want to move to Seattle, everyone is like, oh, you like that "grunge" stuff huh? You want to be a grunge rocker like Chris Cornell? I just hope that all the jerks that Ben was talking about in that interview are gone by the time I show up (in four years.) Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ Subject: SOMMSfest photos From: seth There's a link from the private mailing list Web page to some of my photos from the gathering. If I've identified people incorrectly, or you don't want any pictures of you to appear, let me know. Obviously, these are not the photos I took from the pit -- I'm still awaiting approval to use those. These photos (except one) are all from the Meet + Greet, second group. The direct URL is [deleted. -seth] seth ------------------------------ From: Josh_Garza@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Josh Garza) Subject: Austin SOMMS meeting well i guess most of the people going to the austin show aren't big on a somms meeting, or just want to keep it simple. So.. anyone going to that concert on November 27th, i suppose just meet in the lower area of the bar in the Austin Music Hall. the doors open at about 6:30 so i guess before/after/during Pond's set we could meet there. I guess this isn't going to be much, eSPECIALLY not like chicago(just want to say thanx for the awesome reviews to everyone, closest you can get to enjoy how you all met them without being there), but I at least will be hanging around there, and if you are wearing a SOMMS shirt(which i don't have) it will be easy to find people. Anyone going feel free to e-mail me privately, only two people have been nice enough.. laterz, PenCapChew - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: SG and the heroin look. Date sent: 14-NOV-1996 19:45:22 Ya know, the thing about grunge that I liked when it started was that it rejected the big hair, spandex guys as trendy and instead took the route where you just wear whatever you want. Now, that's degenerated to the so- called "grunge" look, where you must wear flannel, have semi-long greasy hair, be unshaven but not bearded, and be all pale like a heroin user. Sure, Kurt Cobain and Layne Staley looked that way, but only because they had serious drug problems. It wasn't a fashion statement. Now, Calvin Klein is making millions off of turning teens with low self-esteem onto looking like junkies. When Chris posed for those pictures for Details, he didn't really look like a junky. He just looked tired. Maybe we're starting to look too into the pictures of our heroes now. Chris and the rest of SG seem to be the only ones left who maintain their feelings against "fashion." Chris's haircut was a simple thing he did, because he felt like it. But, the media tried to make it out to be a "new look". Short hair on grunge rockers! What a concept!!! It makes me sick that they'd use Chris to make more money. Capitalism sucks. :( Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: stereotyping SG men and women I have also noticed that all of the article Kim does are in Guitar magazines for musicians.The only other time you see Kim in an articles is when the entire band is featured.I really appreciate this articules because I learn so much about the music,the equipment they use and the song/music making process they use to create all this powerful music. Michael,Unless I am mistaken,Chris was the singer and drummer in the early version of soundgarden.He moved off the skins so he could concentrate on the vocal duties more. Now I am wondering what Kim's singing voice sounds like.I think he is the only member of the group who has not sang on any of the SG songs,not even on backup vocals.Am i right or what? Gonzo At 07:05 PM 11/14/96 -0500, you wrote: > I know where you're coming from, but I still think that Chris gets >that much attention because he's the frontman. Kim gets all of those >articles for usually two reasons: 1.) Chris took off (like when they >interviewed Soundgarden for Hype!) or 2.) It's a guitar interview and since >Kim is far more proficient on the guitar he gets the interview. > All the articles in mainstream magazines are usually directed at Chris >, because he's the focus of attention on stage. > Imagine an alternate universe where Matt stayed in Skin Yard, Chris >remained a drummer and out of pure desperation Kim becomes the singer. Kim >discovers that he actually has a REALLY GOOD singing voice (one which >reviewers compare to Robert Plant from Led Zeppelin. :) ) Who do you think >women would be drooling over? Kim, the highly charismatic, reclusive lead >singer, or Chris who's in the background? It's just a matter of >perspective I guess. > Kim is a really cool guy. I don't know if he's good looking because >I'm a guy, but he's a VERY good guitar player. Maybe we should try to move >away from physical appearances in our discussions of SG and stick to their >music. >Later, >>I hope that this message gets through the right way. > >Michael Apple Jaime Gonzalez Computer Repair Technician Engineering Services Michigan State University 505 Computer Center 353-5266 JGG@pilot.msu.edu FAX:517/3536506 ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: and whatsoever I've fought off, became my life... On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Deborah Baker wrote: > " Says Piegeonhed's mainman, one-time Soundgarden/Mudhoney producer Steve > Fisk,'Jerry and Kim were hanging out together at Bad Animals Studio here in > Seattle when we were recording The Full Sentence. They just asked if they > could both play on the album - which is a very un-Seattle, un-showbusinessy > thing to do.' I don't really want to argue with steve fisk (because I'm sure he knows more than I do), but what about this collaboration is "very un-seattle"? both kim and jerry have done tons of this stuff in the past, so I'm not sure what is out of the ordinary here. is it that they *both* wanted to play on the same tracks and not split them? or that they were hanging around the studio asking if they could play? in light of jerry and chris both working on aic's _sap_, kim's involvement on the president's first record and the _twisted willie_ tribute (plus all the other projects/guest appearances that I'm sure I don't have to spell out), and the fact that he actually *played* on the first pigeonhed record, I just wonder why it is surprising to him. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Outshined Subject: if you like the sound... hey all... I checked out the local record store today, and ran across a few different bootlegs... I don't collect them myself, but if you do... I know they're hard to find in some places... like here. I was surprised to see them. They had : Somewhere Fortissimo Nosebleed (2 copies) they also had a copy of the Pretty Noose single with Jerry Garcia's Finger as the b-side. If anybody wants one of these, let me know, and I can pick it up for ya... oh yeah, they're all new copies on CD, and ran from $25-30 (ouch!) If you want to know what's on the boots, check out http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~swr/sgboot.html Thank you, drive through! Kevin (Outshined) - ----------- ----- --- -- - - - - - - - -- --- ----- ----------- The other day I was playing poker with a deck of Tarot cards. I got a full house and four people dropped dead. - - - - - - - ------ --- ------------ doom@rhf.bradley.edu ------------------------------ From: "Jack Parsons" Subject: Re: No plane fare for me >Second, To whoever it was that doesn't understand why Soundgarden isn't >some of the list members favorite band: Get a clue shithead! I think I >speak for most people by saying that this whole thing is about music, >not some juvinile practice of declaring such and such band your favorite >and another band second favorite. I think most of us listen to many >different bands playing different kinds of music. And the fact that we >like it is good enough for us. Please guys correct me if I am wrong. >Remember that it is all "words and music" and that we all share the >common ground of Soundgarden Fans and last time I checked, that was a >very warm inclusive group. > > Mike I couldn't agree more with you Mike. There is no way I could list my CDs in the order that I like them most. I know for me, my CDs are contantly in a changing rotation. There are a couple of CDs that I just can't stop listening to, and they change from week to week. Right now they are BMF and one of my PJ boots, but just because SG isn't somebody's total favorite band above all others that doesn't make them any less of a fan. Secondly, I am so happy for you guys that went to the windy city. I know it'll be a story to tell the grand-kids. I can hear DeeDee now, "Yes, that's right little dearie. I met Matt Cameron and asked if I could lick him." LOL. I'll get my turn on 24 Nov here in Nashville, although I won't meet them...But thanks for the reviews, you guys were doubly lucky because you got to meet Seth. Anyway as Mike would say, "Hail hail the lucky ones." Jonathan "Matt did you get licked yet?!" --Chris ------------------------------ From: AntiDog@aol.com Subject: Re: Listen up... In a message dated 96-11-14 01:00:44 EST, you write: << Maybe you did, and your reply was lighthearted >> AntiDog writes: Definitely lighthearted! The point was just how funny you're wording was.... and how, even though he may vary his style, he's still a hunk with a great voice (high or low!). ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: The Problem with Ben Date sent: 14-NOV-1996 23:38:38 After reading many messages on here about Ben's fits of rage, I think I know what his problem is. I think Ben is suffering from the same anger disorder I used to have. When I was ten, I was kicked out of two summer camps for constantly fighting with everyone (one of them, I was expelled from after beating up my 21 year old cabin counselor.) After taking anger management classes, I was able to change so that I wasn't violent anymore. Now, eight years later, I'm completely better and, in fact, a complete pacifist. It's kind of obvious that Ben Shepherd has an anger disorder. If a person attacks a bunch of people because HIS BASS ISN'T TUNED RIGHT, he seriously needs help. Ben NEEDS to join some kind of group therapy, once the tour is over. Aggression can be a healthy thing, but what is happening to him is very dangerous. I don't want him to end up in jail for killing someone, because his amp breaks or something. As soon as the tour is finished, he could go get some help. It doesn't even need to be publicized, but, for God's sake, he has to acknowledge what is happening to him. Sorry, I just feel strongly about this. Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: clmiller@mail.usachoice.net (Chris Miller) Subject: New damages and directions So. . .Ok. . .Soundgarden's boys have a new album and a new tour. . .what's on the horizon? Anyone heard any juicy gossip? I am all ears! Anyone from the UK interested in sending a copy of the BUTOW single to the US? I will gladly send you money in exchange for the disc! Please email me back if you are interested! I already asked if there are any other SOMMSTERS from PA here? I only got one reply, but I'm sure that there are more out there! Lemme know! I'm getting ill. . .VH-1 has Michael Jackson on......hold on..............................................................................................ugh......I feel a little better.....threw up AND shut off the TV. I wish TV would give bands like Soundgarden as much airplay as they do the bubblegum ass-kissing Mariah Carey-loving Whitney-Houston-drooling "artists". How about it? There are hundreds of satellite channels....why not the SOUNDGARDEN CHANNEL??? We could call it. . . . . . . MOTORVISION CHANNEL SEARCHING WITH MY GOOD EYE CLOSED STATION ZERO REMOTE IN MY HAND NEW CHANNELS BADREMOTORFINGER Just a thought. . . So anyway, I'm outta here! Gonna go chuck my TV and turn up the stereo! {{{PLEASE...PLEASE...PLEASE...MAKE THE SOMMS SHIRTS AVAILABLE AGAIN! I HAD JUST JOINED THE LIST WHEN THEY WERE AVAILABLE AND DIDN'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT. . .BE MERCIFUL!}}} ~~"The lives we make. . .never seem to ever get us anywhere but dead." ------------------------------ From: shawn.carlyle@anthro.utah.edu (Shawn W. Carlyle) Subject: SG and SLC >From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com >Subject: Re: true fan........? > >Utah SG "fans" (which they think they are but they are not) are complete > fucking metal; head clueless fuck-heads. > They don't understand the music > or the complexity, the dynamics, nothing, they just want to jump around like > a bunch of fucking retards. > They are fucking concert goers who would be happy with any loud noise! > I fucking hate Utah. There are no true SG fans here (with the exception of > Bill and myself) Thank God I'm going to see SG in Seattle December 11, with > real fans that know the fucking music. **I was going ignore this infantile post, but I cant help myself. Im thrilled that youve decided to appoint yourself and your friend as the only "true" SG fans in salt Lake--what a fucking joke. Youve given no reason for me or anyone else on this list to believe that you yourself are a fan at all--you showed up for a show, didnt like the pot smoke, and got in a fight--big fucking deal. >All I meant was that the auditorium was full of people who weren't there to >see Soundgarden. They were there because "a" band was playing there. They >would have been just as happy if it had been Alice Cooper or Hootie & the >Blowfish as long as they got to jump around. ** More total bullshit. If they werent there to see SG, why did tenderloin and RFTC get booed off the stage? Why did tickets sell out within two weeks--obviously those who got theirs had to be paying attention, or ended up paying the scalpers a jacked-up fee, either way it shows some type of devotion. If they werent there to see SG, why did the crowd go nuts from the first bars of Dazed and Confused and never stop? I guess the 9,000 people in SL and Ogden who saw them in '94 werent really there to see SG either--oh yea, they all showed to see tad and eleven...we all hate SG here in SLC... > >Another reason: I guess after reading all the flames about moshing, I was >kind of jaded toward the whole thing and was determined to just absorb the >band and the music, but I kept getting jumped on by stoned metal heads. **ever thought of moving back? From where I was, there were plenty of great spots to see the band and hear the music--'course it sounds like you were too busy punching people in the face, which really demonstrates your love for SG. I bow to you Mr. True SG fan... > >Didn't mean to offend. **If you didnt mean to offend with a statement like "there are no true SG fans in SLC" then youre even stupider than I thought. The fact of the matter is obviously that you *did* mean to offend, but what you did instead is simply demonstrate how full of shit you are. Soundgarden has a relatively strong fan base in SLC--always have. When I saw them in '90, sandwiched inbetween Prong and Voivod, the venue was absolutely packed for SG, but emptied out nearly totally for the "headliners" voivod--doesnt make a whole lot of sense unless someone here likes the band, now does it? Where were you in '90 Mr "SL only true SG fan"? Probably still in high school(Jr. High perhaps?) with absolutely no clue who or what Soundgarden were/are. You really should think before you post totally useless opinions on fans and a SL music scene you so obviously know nothing about. ------------------------------ From: Mandy Crook Subject: Old digests and HYPE! Hi guys, Just caught up on all the Chicago fest digests phew! I noticed a question from Caryn about HYPE! Well I saw at the Sydney Film Festival in July and loved it. There is quite a bit of SG, with interviews with Matt and Kim (both of whom glow beautifully, for some reason everyone else interviewed looks pale and blotchy but not those two, filters and lighting? or just inner fantastic-ness on their parts?, the later I would have thought). Anyway there is also a small bit with Susan talking about how she hated the grunge look featuring in Vanity Fair (have to agree with her on that one, I remember the issue clearly), and some live footage of the band (oh god what song was it???? how could have I forgotten?, sorry...). Non SG featured, lots of other Seattle bands, stuff with SubPop people, some Eddie Vedder ramblings, lots of fun, I would certainly check it out, there hasnt been any release date here in Oz, only the soundtrack release. I thinks thats enough for now.... enjoy Cheers Mandy ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 305] ****************************************