From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 13 Nov 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 02:23:23 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 13 Nov 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: Chicago sommsfest SOMMS meeting To clear up some things... No plane fare for me Chicago rocks!!! Sheesh..... RE: lets take a survey - voice, hair heard of opinions? Coming to the states Re: What's this? Re: Rolling Stone, Detroit show Re: another survey My Kind of Town! RE: lets take a survey - voice, hair To whom it may concern (in particular the potty-mouths) Re: yet another survey start/end show songs atlanta show, Nov 23 Re: Earplugs up your nose! Re: People seen in Chicago Re: Now I would like this evening... Chicago was AWESOME Lost RE: Chicago Trib Review The SG,Aragon,Chicago,Sommsfest Re: WHAT TO SAY, WHAT TO SAY One more Thang!! OK maybe two! Chicago SOMMsfest - Part 1 (The Members) Chicago SOMMsfest - Part 2 Chicago SOMMsfest - Part 3 (The End) Finding SG Albums Rockline On-Line Question TOTD Thread Bravo! to Chicago and Seth Lyric Fetishes (cont'd) Re: Ben songs and drum sounds... Re: another survey Going to Chicago/Sorry that I can't take you all Follow Chris into the desert? Maybe not,thanks. Hit List Re: yet another survey Re: Earplugs up your nose! Re: Dogs being blind and such Re: What's this? long hair kim and billy & Favorite bands Re: Swallow My Pride Chicago photos Re: Follow Chris into the desert? Maybe not,thanks. Atlanta Nov 23 Re: Rockline On-Line Question Re: What's this? Re: Swallow My Pride Details!!!! Chicago, what else? Re: true fan........? another link I can count it on my fingers... Re: Seattle Tix IF YOU WANT EM. I GOT EM!!!! Now I would like this evening... Re: I can count it on my fingers... A funny thing Chris said at the Chicago show =) =) =) RE: pile of bones for my bed... PAIN Re: I can count it on my fingers... The Point of it All Chicago Trib Review Detroit show Chicago Trib review of the concert Hey Seth ... Chris, you're so trendy... ;-) Ha! Chicago ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Re: Chicago sommsfest THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU DEE DEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was a brilliant report (where's everyone else's -TONI?!) I can't BELIEVE you told Chris you wanted to lick Matt!!!!!:-) Heheheheheh, bet you're going to get some outraged posts from some of the guys! UK Deb "The men don't know but the little girls inderstand." ------------------------------ From: Terri Parks Subject: SOMMS meeting With regard to Dee Dee's post on Monday's digest, unfortunately my experience w/meeting other somms members wasnt as pleasant as yours maybe next time it will be better. ------------------------------ Subject: To clear up some things... From: seth In my adventure this weekend I found out the answers to a couple of questions that have popped up on the list recently: 1. The DOTU cover - the order of the band members on the DOTU cover, from left to right, is Kim, Chris, Ben, and Matt. 2. Walpurgis Night Music - When Matt was reading the scene in Faust where the witches sing to bless (?) the harvest, he just thought the name "Walpurgis Night Music" just "seemed appropriate at the time." seth ------------------------------ From: Mike Groark Subject: No plane fare for me Well, First of all "Hail,Hail the lucky ones" that were in attendence for SOMMSFEST 96. I am very happy you all had a great time, but I am unhappy that plane fare is a little too rich for my undergraduate blood. I am interested in a more detailed report of Backstage Ben. He fascinates me because I just can't figure him out. Second, To whoever it was that doesn't understand why Soundgarden isn't some of the list members favorite band: Get a clue shithead! I think I speak for most people by saying that this whole thing is about music, not some juvinile practice of declaring such and such band your favorite and another band second favorite. I think most of us listen to many different bands playing different kinds of music. And the fact that we like it is good enough for us. Please guys correct me if I am wrong. Remember that it is all "words and music" and that we all share the common ground of Soundgarden Fans and last time I checked, that was a very warm inclusive group. Mike ------------------------------ From: Candy Haun Subject: Chicago rocks!!! After 7 years of being a Soundgarden fan, this was absolutely worth the wait!! Ill try not to repeat what every one else has already said so here goes. I have never posted much so I knew that most of the people had no idea who I was, but everyone was so nice and friendly!! All the hugs and screams and huge smiles! Ive never seen so many happy, excited people in my life!! And the way we all yelled when Erin introduced Seth was one of the best moments. About meeting the band... Seeing them materialize in the doorway, coming toward us was so surreal ...like a poster come to life! Like everyone said, Kim just kind of went through and signed our stuff and left. When he came up to me to sign my BiMH poster. He was fumbling to try find something to place it on to sign it and I grabbed it and put it on my chest for him to sign. Then I immediately thought that I hope he didnt think I was just trying to get him to touch my chest or something. I was so nervous and shaky, all I could think was---I must get his autograph!! We were sort of standing in a line and Chris was moving down the line signing things and talking to everyone. I am probably the most self-conscious person in the world and terrible at hiding my nervousness, so I was pretty much speechless. I am sure I was staring at him with a moronic grin on my face. Eliza was next to me and I saw her fondling his fork and I was thinking wow, thats cool. Then I looked down and she was having him sign some notes I had made with the BMF and UMOK logos on them that I had given to Toni as a gift. I knew Toni had one for Kim to sign, but I didnt know anyone else had them. I felt pretty honored. When Chris got to me I think a barely managed to introduce myself and say thanks. He looked at me smiled, no doubt thinking This poor, goofy, woman cant even speak! Later, just before we left, Chris was standing in front of me and I stuck out my hand and thanked him again so at least I got to shake his hand. I did collect myself enough to talk to Matt, telling him that I came all the way from Oklahoma cause they never go there. He said, no we havent been there yet but we want to. I said yeah, well, I dont really blame you. He said he heard there were a lot of SG fans in Oklahoma City and I said Yes, I think there are. We dont all just like country and western you know! He said I know. God, I thought, I hope I didnt sound like a smart ass. Then Toni tells Matt that I have a trailer he can stay in when they come to Oklahoma! He was really nice and I hope that someday they do manage to get to OKC!! Matt and Chris were both really patient and sweet. It must be bizarre to meet people who look at you as if you had just landed from Mars! Both show were great, but Sunday was beyond belief! I expected them to be great, but I didn't expect a show like the one we saw Sunday!! I could not believe the energy!! Chris and Ben were all over the place--jumping around and kicking things! All of them seemed totally into the music. Chris was putting everything he had into it and he sounded terrific! Erin and Silver Management gave us the royal treatment. After all that and what they did for Seth, you can't say they don't care about the fans. It went way beyond our expectations! They called us the real fans!! I didn't think I could be any more of a fan than I already was but I was wrong! Floating on cloud nine, Candy ------------------------------ Subject: Sheesh..... From: Caimin.McGovern@isocor.ie Wow, you guys get to go get backstage, and those of us in Ireland dont even get to see them play!!! Kim - if you're reading - Its only an hour on a plane from London! You could've made a lot of people happy!!!! Only Joking...sortof. Anyway, to make a spin on the usual question, what song would you like to see SG start/end a gig with? for me, start with SWMGEC...tape to play the start of it, can you imagine the adrenaline? to end...maybe BimH or JCP. Any thoughts? Caimin ------------------------------ From: The Shogun Woo Subject: RE: lets take a survey - voice, hair >On Sun, 10 Nov 1996, Carolyn Hanel wrote: > >> Anthony asked: >> >>........chris cornell has two different >> voices he sings with. there is the deep voice (fell on black days, black >> hole sun), and then there is his more high pitched voice (jesus christ pose, >> pretty noose). i was just wondering which voice you people out there >> preferred. >> >> I'm with Nancy on this one - I like the deep voice FAR better. I remember not really liking Soundgarden initially, all because of CC's screeching! But to like that high-pitched wailing (like oysters, anchovies, and olives) is an acquired taste. A taste of which I have since acquired. Yes, I now like those high screams! He can certainly hit high notes better than any other male singer I've ever heard in my entire life. >> >> Still, that doesn't mean I prefer the high notes to his low notes. There is nothing (to me) more moving than to hear a guy sing really low, and deep...............my favourite of all SG songs would have to be the low part of "Slaves & Bulldozers", where he sings (with very little musical interference - so the listener can close their eyes and concentrate on those beautiful vocals) >> "Every word I said is what I mean >> Everything I gave is what I need >> Everything I've held is what I've freed >> Everthing I've shown is what I feel" >> >> Hearing him sing that sends me shivers up my spine! How I wish he'd sing more songs in that low voice.............. >> >> BTW - I prefer Chris with long hair. >> >> Carolyn the Mailbox Filler >> >I love the deep voice. Especially when listening to him sing while >sitting in the dark. > >Raven (Di) > I hope I don't offend anyone, but I think Chris Cornell looks like a woman with long hair. The short hair goes much better. As to vocals, it doesn't really matter. The high pitch goes well with the hard and fast songs, while the lower pitch goes well with the slower, deeper songs. It all depends on what he's singing. Well, that's just my opinion. Shogun ------------------------------ From: Lee Christensen Subject: heard of opinions? At 09:59 PM 11/11/96 -0800, you wrote: > Also ... sommsters frequently offer their opinion here of which SG >album they consider to be the band's best. Occasionally, not too often >but every once in a while, someone will dial in with Louder Than Love >as their fave. Now, I'm not saying LTL's not a fine album (it is), but >how in the world can anyone say it's their best? Better than BMF? DOTU? >SUPERUNKNOWN? I'm baffled at how one can come to that conlusion. On >what basis do you award it that distinction? Because it's "raw" and >"honest?" In truth, it's probably the most glossy and "produced" album >they've made. It's got four really great songs on it, in my opinion >(HAO, FOKM, LL and I Awake) but the rest just don't measure up against >their newer stuff. If it's so great, why does the band only play 1 song >from it (if that) during their sets? It's a good album, but I think >even Screaming Life and Ultramega are better than LTL. So get with it. >I mean, where do you people get off making statements like that? Ever hear of an opinion? I for one don't like Ultra_OK, and probably never will, but LTL is great. And no I don't care to know why you like one better then the others cause it still won't influence my opinion. As for only playing one song, well they have 4 albums after LTL was released so of course they are going to play the newer stuff, and most of it from DOTU cause it is brand new and where the band are currently at, I bet if you went to a show 5 years ago you would hear all LTL, why? cause that was where the band was at. And that is what the punters want to hear. I haven't heard DOTU live yet, so that is what I want to hear this time around! :) > Has anyone seen the BUTOW single yet? Where the heck is it? And >what are the b-sides? Ooh, something live, I hope (how about the "I BUTOW is out on Monday the 17th in Australia, and probably no american release if they continue with what they have done in the past. seeya Lee _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it UP and Play it LOUD let the blood rush to your head!! I'm sorry I was cruel, I forgot to kiss you..... CD I'm listening to this week: "Milk" single by Garbage ------------------------------ From: Michael Perricone Subject: Coming to the states Hi list! I don't know, what I'm donig wrong, but none of my mails were on the list until now. So, I hope this one will make it, because now I have a question: I'm from switzerland and I'm travelling to the states next week. I'll be for two weeks in San Franzisco (Nov. 22th until December 7th) and then until December 28th in New York. Could everyone mail my some adresses in this two cities where I can get some cool soundgarden-stuff. For example I'm searching for a long time now a bootleg with the +waiting for the sun;-cover. It would be also great to meet one of you sommsters. And btw, you're allways talking about this sommsters-t-shirts, and everyone seems to really love it. I want one too! So, I would like to have the e-mail adress of the one who sells them. I hope to get some mail (m.perricone@swix.ch). But first I hope, that this one will be on the list. Your soundgarden-fan in switzerland (europe), Michael ------------------------------ Subject: Re: What's this? From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > Date sent: 11-NOV-1996 13:45:53 > What's this about Kim not talking to you guys at the Chicago concert? > he ill of something? I have trouble seeing Kim do that. Ben, sure, but > Kim... that's strange. Maybe it was because his dad was there and he > didn't want any distractions. Kim did talk to us!!!! No it wasn't an hour long discussion because the band was getting ready to go on and there were other demands on their time. But when we enter the room to meet them Kim was the first one to walk up to me and flash the most beautiful smile I have ever seen. Even after I grabbed his arm and told him he was walking off with my pen he again flash that smile at me. Then a few min. later I was treated to a third smile when he searched me out and gave me back the cap of the silly pen. Needless to say I kept thinking "OH God, I meet Kim and all I could do was accuse him of taking my pen".. But later when I had my turn on the stage Kim walked over to that side and when he saw me (yes I'm going to be obsessed and think he was looking at me and me alone :-) ) - HE STOPPED PLAYING AND GAVE ME A DOUBLE HAND WAVE AND A SMILE FROM EAR TO EAR.... Kim is absolutely gorgeous. He has the most unbelievable eyes and that smile that makes you go weak in the knees. Jamie (Village Idiot/SOMMS Mom) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Rolling Stone, Detroit show From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > okay, so what i am seeing here is that the shows have rocked, and that > everyone getting to meet the guys has been really cool. that kind of > surprises me (pleasantly, of course). i have some friends who just signed > with epic, a band called Getaway Cruiser, and they are already a little > sick of people coming up and meeting them and saying how great they are, Your friends better get a check on that attitude.. I really feel the bands that survive the fan love thing are the one that are out there to give the fans that feeling. My feelings for Soundgarden just reached a level that could only be reached because of the way we SOMMs members were treated in Chicago. We were given so much attention from Silver Management, the band, and the most incredible lady "Erin". Never once did I feel they were doing it for any other reason then to please us. We were offered refreshments we were given opportunities to do things I would only dream I could do. We were treated with respect. Each time I encounter a band member the smile they gave me was real nothing put on. They knew that we appreciate the wonderful music they give us and that appreciation is part of their reward for making the music. Everyone knows that PR is a must for any type business.....but Soundgarden and company go beyond that. Jamie (Village Idiot/SOMMs Mom) ------------------------------ From: SALDANA Subject: Re: another survey On Fri, 8 Nov 1996 AMMENDOZA@SCUACC.SCU.EDU wrote: > here is something else i would like to get opinions on from all of you > out there. i was looking at old soundgarden pictures and noticed that > chris looked like a bad-ass with long hair. i think he should grow it > out long again. what do you guys think. does he look cooler with long > or short hair??? > anthony > I think Chris should leave his hair short, he looks reachable that way. Like you could actually approach him. Besides it gives us a better view of his gorgeous eyes, sensually full lips... Raven (Di) ------------------------------ From: Toni M Roark Subject: My Kind of Town! ALL green-eyed, sick of Chicago posts readers .....STOP NOW!!! It's my turn to babble!!! First off, I'd like to thank the Academy.......no wait that's not right. I'd like to thank Erin of Silver Management She went above and beyond her job. She truly wanted to make us have an memorable experience....and by God she succeeded!!! Also to Kathie for writing an exordinary letter and getting this all together. Seth for being the reason any of this happen by deciding to make the best Web Page on the net and an even cooler mailing list. And to Soundgarden....the best band in the Universe!! There is a sub plot to all of this and that was Sommsfest Slumber Party!! It went on all weekend at my house! 7 SIS's(Sisters in Soundgarden) all got together to meet, do a little female bonding, worship Soundgarden and mess up toni and Rita's house!! It was a great experience!! And it added to the overall greatness of the weekend. So I'd like to thank: Andrea, Bonnie, Candy,Oh what's her name DeeDee and Jamie for being gracious guests and soul mates!! And to Rita for...well she knows! It was Fun...although my car tires are a little flater!!! OK, I don't want to make this too long so I will give the highlights! Saturday: Moody's was great!!! And when Erin walked in and said"this is Seth".... you would of thought a movie star walked in. Aaron is right ...Seth had woman all over him We took pictures in the Pub but we will probably look like ghosts it was so dark in there! Meeting the band was frightening and exhilarating at the same time. I said my bit on Kim. Matt was nice and called us "true fans" I talked to Chris the most. I shook his hand(I guess that counts for touching him Deb and Christy) and he held the Loud Love 12" cover(which is what I wanted him to sign) checking it out. He said "I haven't seen this is a long time" I said:" do you still like it?" He said,"Yeah, this cool guy(alligator monster looking kind of guy ) is from a movie." I said "Yeah a bad B movie and when I took down all my Godzilla and monster movie posters in my bathroom to put up my soundgarden collection He is a good transition." Chris said; "SG posters in your bathroom? That's pretty weird" And I said, "yep and I get naked in front of them...that's what's scary!!!" Now that thought send him scurrying away. I'm sort of glad Ben didn't come out since medium Joe made me all paranoid about Ben getting mad that I brought something for him to sign that he didn't even play on. I never expected to get to talk to them like we did and take pictures!! I hope everyone's pix turns out ....mine are going to the 1 hour place today!!! I won't give an review of the concert here....I'll do that on the page. But I will say, going up to watch the Rusty Cage and BHS from the side of the stage was just amazing!!!! Erin just tapped me on the shoulder and motioned for me to come with her. I had no idea where we were going. When we got to the ramp that led up there I just stopped dead in my tracks. She grabbed my hand and pulled me up there I was dumbfounded and I know I stood there with this glazed look in my eyes and a big dumb smile on my face!! They were right there!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Erin! Sunday: Took the SIS's for a car ride to see the "BIG BUILDINS" and stop at Reckless Records(be glad you weren't down there shopping Ben T these women would of bowled anyone right over to get to the S section!!!) Everyone got something...better souvenir than a damn Chicago coffee mug!!! We were all very low keyed. A topic of converstation was no way can tonight compete with Saturday night. It will be anticlimactic! Well shut my mouth sister....Soundgarden proved us wrong!!! Erin once again got us in the balcony above the fray! we sort of took over the end of the balcony at some point. They came on and it was the most intense and best show I have seen yet this year(and this is the 4th time I've seen them in 96) Seth mentioned some highlights but he forgot Chris doing pelvic thrust at one point...yes, ladies I said pelvic thrust!!!! And he did take his shirt off unlike Saturday night. When Chris made the dedication to Somms....I think we all misunderstood. I think he thought it was Pomfest. The Pomeranian dog fest!!!! Making points with his wife!!! Anyway, when he said the dedication the poor people in front of us just about jumped out of their seats when the scream went up!! That was it!!!! We were out of control and loving every minute. The Somms Mom was a dancing fool!!! Hell, we all were hot wet sweaty messes by the end of the show. It was fantastic!! Seth also forgot to mention the group hug(sorry to the people who have met other sommsters and it didn't work out this was a love fest) We left the Aragon as excited and pumped up as one can be without suffering a heart attack!(the only damper was the fact that Andri and Dave missed out...I'm sorry I wish we could of found you guys! If you talked to the woman at the door I know what kind of treatment you got she was not pleasant!!! The lady at the box office window should of had your names..they were on the list we gave to Erin) Several of us stood out in the cold by our cars next to the el and talked and took forever to say good-bye!! Not only were the concerts and meeting the band fantastic!! The whole experience of meeting all the other sommsters was the best. We are all ages, colors, sizes and opinions but we all have one thing in commom...our love of Soundgarden...and it is so much more fun when you share it with others!! So to Jamie, Candy, Bonnie, Andrea, Rita, DeeDee, Eliza, Medium Joe, Ben, Monnica, John, Aaron, Biff, Gonzo,Vikki,Kate,Lauren(the only fan..God girl you must of been nervous), Kathie, Dave and Seth(the man can keep a secret) thanks for making this weekend one of the best I ever had!!!!!!! toni ------------------------------ From: SALDANA Subject: RE: lets take a survey - voice, hair On Sun, 10 Nov 1996, Carolyn Hanel wrote: > Anthony asked: > >>........chris cornell has two different > voices he sings with. there is the deep voice (fell on black days, black > hole sun), and then there is his more high pitched voice (jesus christ pose, > pretty noose). i was just wondering which voice you people out there > preferred. > > I'm with Nancy on this one - I like the deep voice FAR better. I remember not really liking Soundgarden initially, all because of CC's screeching! But to like that high-pitched wailing (like oysters, anchovies, and olives) is an acquired taste. A taste of which I have since acquired. Yes, I now like those high screams! He can certainly hit high notes better than any other male singer I've ever heard in my entire life. > > Still, that doesn't mean I prefer the high notes to his low notes. There is nothing (to me) more moving than to hear a guy sing really low, and deep...............my favourite of all SG songs would have to be the low part of "Slaves & Bulldozers", where he sings (with very little musical interference - so the listener can close their eyes and concentrate on those beautiful vocals) > "Every word I said is what I mean > Everything I gave is what I need > Everything I've held is what I've freed > Everthing I've shown is what I feel" > > Hearing him sing that sends me shivers up my spine! How I wish he'd sing more songs in that low voice.............. > > BTW - I prefer Chris with long hair. > > Carolyn the Mailbox Filler > I love the deep voice. Especially when listening to him sing while sitting in the dark. Raven (Di) ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: To whom it may concern (in particular the potty-mouths) Date sent: 12-NOV-1996 11:18:36 This is the only response you are going to get out of me EVER for this topic, so don't bother responding to this. Okie? When I asked why that person was on the list, even though SG was not their favorite band, I didn't have any hostility behind the words. I was simply curious as to why they would want to recieve so much email if Soundgarden wasn't their favorite band. It's amazing how many of you people who responded to the post have potty-mouths. I counted 57 uses of "fuck" in one message. What do you do? Sit around all day trying to find new uses of the word? Aim your indignace at someone else, not a fellow SG fan. I'm here to talk about Soundgarden (which MOST of us have been doing), not to trade insults with a bunch of people I don't even know. If I wanted to argue with someone, I'd go talk to my mom. :) I will be erasing all responses to this, so don't bother sending any. I apologize to the other list members, for the inconvenience of having to sit through this junk. Maybe a primer on Nettiquette should be circulated to all those involved. Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: SALDANA Subject: Re: yet another survey My favorite Soundgarden video is "Black Hole Sun", followed by "Fell on Black Days". Of the latest videos I'd have to say Burden in My Hand is pretty up there and I have yet to see Blow up the outside world. :0) Raven (Di) ------------------------------ From: j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: start/end show songs well, i think SWMGEC is a really good opener, see Motorvision. Of course, on the '94 tour in the states, they opened w/ JCP. but to end, something fast and furios. When i saw them at lolla, they closed w/ "no attention".. and it was so fucking awesome. "Full on kev's mom" would probably go off well too. But, again remembering back to Motorvision, "Slaves & Bulldozers" was awesome as well. jeremy ------------------------------ From: j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: atlanta show, Nov 23 i called the Omni yesterday and it is a general admission show. I believe they are selling 9,000 tix (or 7,000, but i believe it to be 9,000)... for those of you staying in atlanta for the night, i know of a hotel about 10 minutes from the Omni and 5 minutes from I-85. If you want some more info, visit this web site: "http://www.travelweb.com/thisco/daysinn/06491/06491_b.html" Atlanta-Days Inn Cleveland Avenue maybe we can have an atlanta SOMMSfest. jeremy ------------------------------ From: andrew christensen Subject: Re: Earplugs up your nose! On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Greg Fox wrote: > > I always thought that was pretty cool about "Swallow My Pride", i know > > Green River had two separate versions of it (one on Come on Down and the > > other on Rehab Doll), then there is Soundgarden's version (of course) and > > the Fastbacks (on Sub Pop 200) and there is also this version with some of > > the members of Mudhoney and Pearl Jam after Green River broke up, this live > > version that is on last year's pearl jam christmas single. And that demo > > or whatever is on the Hype! soundtrack. i think that is one of Green > > River's best songs. > > Hmm, good info, thanks. Sounds like you have a few of the Green River > albums. WHat sort of music are they any way? > > Greg They have a pretty typical sound of all those old old sub pop bands, just like a "we're so cool we don't care if we sound like shit" sound. i don't really think they are all that wonderful, mark arm is actually pretty annoying on most of the songs (not that he isn't annoying when he sings in mudhoney. :) Soundgarden is really one of the only bands that i like from that era, but i still think that their newer stuff from Badmotorfinger on blows that all away. Hmm...maybe it's because Ben joined...:) ------------------------------ From: Toni M Roark Subject: Re: People seen in Chicago At 09:12 PM 11/11/96 -0600, you wrote: >I hear some of the Pumpkins were at the SG show in Chicago. I don't think anyone saw Billy but Erin from Silver Management told me before the show started that Billy was suppose to come! I saw someone carrying a dozen red roses...I bet those were peace offerings!! Since I have you reading I have a couple more things I remember I wanted to say........... I wanted to concur with Seth..Matt's solo on JCP was phenomenon on Sunday night!!! Also, Monnica where were you Sunday??? we were looking for you!! Kevin we tried at one point we were yelling "Kevin" outside the Aragon!! And to all the Chicago sommsters. Remember Ben mentioned Hype opening on November 22?? Want to get together before have a bit to eat, talk about what ever comes up like maybe this past weekend, and see the movie together???? Let me know! toni ------------------------------ From: The Shogun Woo Subject: Re: Now I would like this evening... At 09:41 PM 11/12/96 -0500, you wrote: >Date sent: 12-NOV-1996 21:37:45 >This is a message going out to all the Seattle SOMMS-sters. > > After reading an interview with Ben Shepherd, I kinda get the >impression that Seattlites are getting sick of people moving into Seattle. >Has this started slowing down yet, or is there still a big exodus to the >Emerald City? > Also, is it just down-on-their-luck musicians that are immigrating, or >a whole ton of people. I'm curious as to your views on this. > (Ben was apparently really upset about it. He said he wanted to raise >a bunch of wild cats and set them free all over the country. And if anyone >was foolish enough to mess with the cats, he'd shoot the people. Whoa...) > >Later, > >Michael Apple > >60C Wilson Hall >SUNY Plattsburgh >Plattsburgh, NY >12901 > >appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu > That's a pretty good idea Ben's got there. I wonder if he's running for Pres.? Shogun ------------------------------ From: Monnica Lewis Subject: Chicago was AWESOME Hi fellow sommsters! I'm finally back at the old salt-mine after one of the most incredible weekends of my life! I'm sure you guys have already heard so much about this whole experience that you'd like to strangle us but, I just wanted to throw in my two cents. I'll try to keep it short tho. First, I had a great time at Moody's. It was really cool to meet everyone. I have to admit I was a little nervous about the meeting - - so many new faces at one time can be a little overwhelming for shy girls like me :-) But everyone was really nice and we all talked and laughed, had a great time and basically took over the pub. (Hey did they let you guys back in on Sunday?) Fast forward - - the meeting I spent like the last week thinking of what I would say to them when I met them, you know I didn't want to say something really stupid and annoying, but once I was actually there, I was so awestruck, all I could manage was "Hi I'm Monnica!" and "Thank you". But I'm sure I had a really stupid glazed look in my eye the whole time. I got a pretty decent picture of Matt and I thought I got a good one of Chris too but as it turns out, I only got his right ear but I did get a really nice shot of Dee Dee's hair so I'm no award winning photographer folks. Kim disappeared pretty quickly so I didn't get his pic. Fast forward - - a little crisis After the second group was done, Erin came out to get the rest of us to take up to the balcony area. We were on our way when the Security Meanie stopped me. Somehow during the excitement of the meeting, I lost my guest pass. He wasn't going to let me threw. But thank god my fellow sommsters came through for me and told Erin (Thanks again you guys! I would have been downstairs crying my eyes out.) and she came back down and got me. I thought she'd be a little pissed because of the inconvenience it probably caused her to go get me another pass but she was *really* nice about it. She was such a sweetheart! While I was waiting on her to bring me another pass, Kim stepped through the door of the balcony from the backstage area. He was only there briefly, I think maybe he came out to say hello to someone or something ( I tried not to stare),but he was just like 15-20 feet away! I also saw Matt and Chris watching Rocket. (I thought Rocket was a little quirky but some of their songs were pretty cool.) Fast forward again - - Soundgarden take the stage What can I say that hasn't already been said. They were incredible! And Chris talked to the crowd a lot more than I'd heard him do in the past. Towards the end, Erin came over to me and said can you come downstairs for a second. I had no idea what was up but I followed and what d'ya'know, I wound up down at the side of the stage. I got to stay for "Slaves and Bulldozers" very very cool. Towards the end of the song Chris gradually sat down on the floor, while playing mind you and I was right there! This was nothing short of AWESOME. Oh yea, I think I saw Susan there too. I was kind of far away but I think she was out there working with the lighting guys. It looked like her from a distance. There were several points during the show when I got goosebumps. My favorite, I think, was the part where Chris was talking about how he didn't like pain, he liked music and hanging out with his friends . . . and then they went into "Waiting for the Sun"/"Helter Skelter" and "Boot Camp". At this point I was standing at the back of the balcony by a little window that was open (Kathie's right. It really gets HOT in there.) And it was like the music was just floating on the cool night air and I just closed my eyes and listened. Fast foward 5AM - - I awake I don't know if I was in shock earlier or what but at 5am I woke up "Never the Machine Forever" was playing in my head and it dawned on me in a major way - I JUST MET SOUNDGARDEN LAST NIGHT! AGHHHHHHH! I may have actually screamed, I'm sure the people in the next room appreciated it. Sunday I didn't catch much of the show sunday. I spent the day shopping (hey, it's Chicago), with one of my cousins and we went to dinner so, as it turned out, I just showed up to see part of SG. I didn't know we had passes for upstairs again though so I ended up staying downstairs, really really far away from the moshers but it's true, I was a *great* show. Oh, and let me say, I think that SG fans are some of the nicest people in the world. Thank you Eliza for the ride to the Aragon and thanks to Kathie and Dave for seeing me safely back to my hotel. And thanks to all the other Sommsters for making it a great weekend! You guys are the greatest! I'll shut up now Monnica ------------------------------ From: The Shogun Woo Subject: Lost Earlier this year, some friends of mine went to West Virginia to see Lollapalooza. Their reason for going was to hear Metallica and witness a live performance of the hallowed band. Soundgarden was also playing on the bill. (alas, they are not big fans of SG). One of my friends who knew I was a fan of SG described the show to me. He also told me that while Soundgarden was performing, the crowd threw various foreign objects at the stage. One of these objects (a water bottle) hit or nearly hit Ben. I was then informed that Ben lost it and began screaming at the crowd. During the tirade he insulted Metallica and told the crowd to fuck off. I don't blame him. I would like anyone who went to this show to verify this. I know it was a while back, but I am curious. To any of those who went to Chicago and met the band, is Ben a reclusive person? Was he forward like Chris, or did he hang back? Just wanna know... By the way, does anyone know if SG is coming anywhere close to Richmond, Va.? Like East coast? Just wanna know... ------------------------------ From: Monnica Lewis Subject: RE: Chicago Trib Review ???? I think Mr. McKeough was at some other concert ;-) ---------- From: Anna Mehrer To: Soundgarden Digest Subject: Chicago Trib Review Date: Monday, November 11, 1996 1:54PM The following is a review from Nov. 11, 1996 Chicago Tribune: " however, the band's heavy metal thunder weighed down its songs, helped no = doubt by the hall's notoriously muddy acoustics. The buoyancy of 'Dusty' = was reduced to a careening lurch, and band leader Chris Cornell tossed = off an unaccompanied, incomplete version of the band's biggest hit, = 'Black Hole Sun.' Soundgarden instead fell back on sludgy, lumbering = riffasaurs ('Outshined') and bombing raids ('No Attention'). --Kevin McKeough" Hmmmm--too bad I was unable to go to the Chicago show(s) to agree or = disagree. What do you sommsters think? --Anna ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: The SG,Aragon,Chicago,Sommsfest Greeting,Somms members Great big hi to Erin,Kathie,Eliza,Toni and to everyone else I had the pleasure to meet this weekend.Soundgarden played one of the best shows I have ever heard. I have to make this a short post because I am at work.My break time is over and I will not be able to post anything after work.I am going to Detroit after work to see Soundgarden at the palace.Ye-ah I will try and get the set list and a review posted of the palace show as soon as I can Gonzo. Jaime Gonzalez Computer Repair Technician Engineering Services Michigan State University 505 Computer Center 353-5266 JGG@pilot.msu.edu FAX:517/3536506 ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: WHAT TO SAY, WHAT TO SAY Are you sure they played "The End" by the Doors? The reason I'm asking is because you are the only person to mention that song. It's well-known that they cover Waiting For the Sun byt the Doors, but I've never heard of them covering "The End". (or anyone else for that matter). It's a 10-minute song, too. Did they perhape play a few lines, or are you confusing it with WFTS? Ciao, Geoff Joseph A. Burnett wrote: > fucking unbelieveable, they played almost everything, almost forever. They > played "The End" by the Doors, which put a very ironic twist on my night, > BIg JOe (That's Medium Joe to Moody-goers) > ------------------------------ From: Toni M Roark Subject: One more Thang!! OK maybe two! Rememeber when Frank asked us about Soundgarden merchadise that we would like to see?? And the BMF wheel was a top item mentioned on shirts, hats etc. Well, at the concerts there was a very cool black long sleeved T-shirt with BMF logo on the front and Soundgarden down the sleeve!! It's great but it did cost $32!!!! Do you think we could take up a collection for Kim and buy him a few new t-shirts??? He wore his TOOL shirt again on Saturday night. That shirt has been around for a loooooooooooooooooog time!! Also, did anyone see the book "Noise from the Undergroud" A history of alternative Rock Photos. Young Chris is on the cover. Two interesting photos of the band inside. And to young Biff...Did you ever get to Rolling Stone records??? that's all folks!!! toni ------------------------------ Subject: Chicago SOMMsfest - Part 1 (The Members) From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) Well my little chickadees are you ready for another Chicago SOMMsfest review.. Well tough your SOMMs Mom is going to give you her version. A version seen through the eyes of someone who though this type of party was over for her.. I was wrong because: YOUR NEVER TO OLD TO ROCK AND ROLL!!!!!!! Okay so you don't get totally bored I'm going to give you some insight into the SOMMs members (evil grin }:->). As most of you know my trip didn't start out great - tornadoes and a closed airport!!! Was this a sign of how the weekend was to go??? But I got on the plane Saturday morning and when I walked off in Chicago to the waiting smiles of three wonderful ladies I knew it was going to be a party to remember. First one I spotted was Toni. Toni's smile said it all. She is filled with life and love. I felt like I had know her all my life from the first second I saw her. She open her home to us without a hint of reservation. Next to Toni was a lady with the wildest red hair. Again a smile was all that was need to know we would get on great. This was Dee Dee. Dee Dee is crazy, plain and simple!!! She is ready to embrace everything and anything that comes her way. What a joy to know her.. Oh and she does have the greatest tattoo if you ever meet her make sure you ask about it.. Now the third lady standing there to meet me reminded me at first glance of the fine porcelain I collect. Candy has soft blond hair and lovely white skin. She has a great laugh and doesn't mind being kidded about being an Oklahoma hick.. It only took a second to get the picture of what a SOMMs member is like. Friendly, good sense of humor, a deep concern for others, a love for life and most of all a love of good music created by a great band. Over the next few hours this picture of what a SOMMs member is would be repeated over and over with each member I met. But back to the story.. After hugs and smiles we were off running. I got to tell you I saw more of the Chicago airport than I ever wanted to see. We got to the gate where the next two members of the SOMMs Slumber party were arriving. Bonnie and Andrea two of the Seattle group and what better representation of Seattle. Both these ladies are intelligent, funny, sensitive, and very attractive. If most of the people in Seattle are like these two it has to be one great city. After a run back through the airport (God I never want to see the WHOLE airport again) we loaded ourselves into Toni's poor little car and we were off to the house. Where we were introduced to the family dog and cat who soon knew which one of us would pet and feed they under the table.. But most of all I finally got to meet Rita. What a sweetheart of a lady. Rita thanks for everything. It was so good of you to open your home to us and make us all feel so relaxed and at home. Okay after a few hours of bonding and Soundgarden talk we were off to the restaurant to meet more members. Already there was Eliza, Aaron, Biff, and Monnica, sure enough there it was the smile, the warmth, the SOMMs member outline. Aaron our List Thug fits his role just great. Except he is so sweet you wonder how he could ever hurt anyone. Biff was all worried about being so young, but in this group age is not an issue. Monnica was quite and friendly I kept forgetting to tell her (and I'll do it now) I really enjoy her post - your a great writer.. Eliza - ah girlfriend we have allot of talking to do yet.. I'll see you and Toni next week for our next night out with Soundgarden.. So you know Eliza is very out going and everything is set to fun mode.. We all hugged and laughed. Soon others began to arrive John and his group, Medium Joe, Vikki, Ben and Kate. And yes they all were open friendly and I really happy I got to meet each and everyone of them. And Vikki is a fountain of information it was really nice to talk with her.. Then Kathie and her husband Dave came in. A round of cheers for her and a toast was offered for her in thanks for her letter. Kathie was so nervous she wanted this to work so much for us. The last member to get there was Gonzo poor guy got loss in the wilds of Chicago suburbs but like a true SOMMs trouper he pushed forward and found us. It was getting late and some concern was voiced that what if Erin didn't come. We were sitting there enjoying each other company when Erin walked up and introduced her self. We all gave a small cheer and welcome her. Beside her was a tall, dark and very handsome man. My first thought - one of the guys came with her to make sure she wasn't walking into a group of crazed fans. But she waited only a second for our cheering to stop and very simple turned and said "Oh and this is Seth." It took a second or two before it sunk in to our brains. But when it did we all screamed in joy. Now I got to tell you all on the way to the restaurant I had made the comment that of all the people on the list that I would love to meet Seth was the most important. In ways I care just as much about Seth as Soundgarden. I have been on this list since day one and have gone though allot with Seth and a few others. I'm in complete amazement of his work and to be totally honest with you I'm very proud to know him. Seth doesn't change his expression. Seth doesn't use much body motions - its really amazing to watch him. During most of the show on Saturday night he hardly moved. But when I told him my name he reached out his hand and gave me the most wonderful smile. Well I just had to go around the table and hug the devil out of him. I'll apologize now Seth I know I'm a typical mom type person and I just had to keep hugging you all the time - I can't help it I'm just so proud to know you.. And yes I'm the one that drug him into a group hug at our last meeting. Well now I'm happy - I have met people I have written to over the last year, I have met our leader Seth it didn't matter what happen at the show I was content.. But as you have read in others review more was to come. But I'll do that in the next note.. Jamie (Village Idiot/SOMMs Mom) ------------------------------ Subject: Chicago SOMMsfest - Part 2 From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) Okay now part 2 of Chicago SOMMsfest. As you have all have read we were given backstage passes. Great saver it's got the DOTU black silhouette, the date, and is marked with M&G B which stands for Meet and Greet Backstage. Makes you feel good to see people around you eyeing your pass. "Yeah I'm going to meet the band backstage!!!" Now does that sound like I'm being stuck up and star struck your right and I'll more than likely be that way for a long, long time. Getting to this point of having the pass was a little crazy. Thanks to Dave (Kathie husband) for always going off to find out what was happening or where we should be. Once inside the ballroom we met Seth, checked out the tee's (I got a long sleeved black shirt with the BMF logo and Soundgarden on the sleeve - for my Stacy). We then went to the area where people with passes go. Erin met us there and broke the group into two and gave us the low down on the issues. Only rule was be respectful of the band and others trying to do their job back stage. This was not hard to do since everyone back there was so friendly and good to us. I was in the first group and we went off through the maze of dark hall ways in search of our dreams. Backstage was dark, dirty, filled with smoke - good atmosphere. We stop short of a set of stairs with a sign stating "Soundgarden dressing room and an arrow pointing up.. Toni got a picture of it I hope it turned out! We were standing there waiting when a figure moved passed me. It was like in a dream because I couldn't believe it was Chris. But then there was Ben and I knew this wasn't a dream I was going to soon meet Soundgarden. Panic!!!! What do you say, how do you act!!! No more time to figure it out because we were being told it was time to go in. We walked up the stairs and into the door way of a room. We all stayed crowed around the door way until a man told us to come on in. I bet we looked really silly all standing there huddled in the door way. So I stepped forward and walk over to the other side of the room. I turned to say something to Kathie (I think it was Kathie - at this time my brain sort of stopped) and when I turn back there was Kim walking up to me. GOD IS HE BEAUTIFUL.. I could not say anything, I simple held out my hand to shake his and started into his big bedroom eyes <<>>. I handed him my vinyl cover for him to sign and told him how much I liked his music. He was really nice but when he walked away he took my pen. All I could think of was what was I going to have the others sign with. So I took a few step toward him took hold of his arm and ask for my pen back. "Oh I'm sorry and more smiles" from him. I backed up and said to myself.. "Oh shit I meet Kim and all I can say is you took my pen".. Behind me a soft laugh I turned and there not more than 3 or 4 inches from me was Chris. Well my brain really shut down then, but I did hand him the cover to sign. He looked at it and wanted to know where I had gotten it. He knew it was a limited editions. I explain that I had gotten it from Stacy who lives in England. I then told him that I had at lease a million people who would like to thank him. He smiled and said "Only a million". But I did thank him for other who were not there (you know who you are). Next was Matt he was just standing off sort of by himself. I walked over to him and handed him the cover. Again question on where it had come from and he even turned it over to check the number of it. "52 you did good". After he signed it I ask him if I could have a small favor. I know we were told to bring just one item to sign but I had something else I wanted him to do for me. He said no problem and did it. I'm sorry I can't tell you what it was others at the show know, but it's a Christmas gift and I don't want him to know about it yet.. Just know that Matt did it for me and even went a little further than I needed him to do. Thanks Matt you are a sweetheart. I didn't get to meet Ben (damn) but I had a close encounter with him later so it's okay!!! We were then ushered out and taken to the area reserved for people with passes. To be completely honest with you I don't remember much about the music that night. I know it was loud and they did a great job, but I was so high on meeting them and everything else that happen that I wasn't doing a great job at listening. I kept thinking what more could happen this was so great. Then a tap on the shoulder it was Toni "come with me". Oh sure and give up the seat I just got. Right about now my feet and knees had started to scream at me giving up my seat was not my idea of a good move. But I did and I'm really happy I did. Because it was my turn to go up on the stage.. I was there for Blow up the Outside World. You have no idea how hard I was singing and dancing - I was the only one but who cares this was a once in a life time thing and I was going for it. I was standing on the right side of the stage by Ben. But during the song Kim walked over and seeing me (yes it was me he was looking at :-P) he stopped playing and with both hands waved at me. Did I tell you how freaking beautiful he is.. More dancing and singing and then there he was.. My wonderful Bad Ass Ben. I have had a thing for Ben since day one. But Lordy, Lordy, Lordy, in person the guy is just to handsome for words. Eye contact is made, he smiles, he blows me a kiss, I blow one back, I'm now in total fuckin heaven. I can die with a smile on my face, life is good.. End part two!. ------------------------------ Subject: Chicago SOMMsfest - Part 3 (The End) From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) Oh come on now stop that groaning! Well Saturday night ended with seven very tired but happy ladies siting around eating pizza. We each told our personal little stories. It's great how everyone had something happen to them that felt special. That's what this whole weekend was special. Sunday we sat at the breakfast table lots of coffee and good talk. I can't tell you how great it was to be with these people. The whole time I was planning this trip my family and friends did their best to make me think I was losing my mind. How could I possible get into a plane, fly to Chicago, meet people (who I met through the Internet), go to a rock concert at my age. Had I loss my mind totally - NO!!! By late afternoon a funny feeling came over me I wasn't so up on going to the show. Then Toni voice her concern about how nervous she was. All of us were feeling a bit off about this show. How could it compare with last night.. But we got our butts up and headed off to the show. First a quick meeting at the restaurant, then down to the hall. We find we have passes waiting - great. Seth comes out to meet us and head up to the reserved area for the show. This time we move down a bit so we have a great view of the stage. The normal opening the guys come out on stage and start into "Spoonman". But there is a new energy tonight. Something is really different from last night. Chris is wasted but in control. He is putting every ounce of his self into each song. His footing is not very good and at one point he almost goes off the stage the hard way. He lays just on the edge of the stage and the security guys are all reaching up to steady him before he falls over the edge. With each song they get tighter and tighter, the crowd is getting more pumped. We are singing at the top of our lungs, dancing like crazy people. Then Chris makes his speech that this song is dedicated to us SOMMsters. Well if we weren't crazed before we sure were now. The people around us just stepped back and looked at us. Member who were standing away from us came running. We were screaming we were number one, high five's, hugs, we are now totally out of control. Every song after that is harder and better. It's pure raw rock and roll. Chris is beating the hell out of the microphone. Ben starts destroying the stage. When he topples the 8 foot amps behind him we scream his name. When the poor roadies try to set them back up. Ben see it as an animal whose kill is being taken by another animal. He races across the stage and jumps on top of his kill. He is the hunter (no pun intended) and he is master of all. Bedlam is the word of the day! The band goes off and we wait for the encore.. Wait the house lights go on. The crowd screams "NO" and the booing starts. But not for long - it's Chris and dear lord in heaven he has taken off his shirt . We are being taken back to the 90s, it's so fine!!!! JCP was not the usually long set but it was hard and perfect . The band leaves the stage again and the SOMMs membership is going ballistic. Aaron runs over to me we are hugging and jumping up and down. Bonnie is screaming and jumping up and down. We are all sweaty and so damn happy it's wonderful! I was so happy I didn't even get mad when the Chris look alike behind me who was trying to impress his date. Tells her that Soundgarden always ends their shows with the song - ready for this! Jesus Chris Superstar! Idiot!!!! But it's over we all know this and as we slowly head out we stop to say good bye to Erin. How many times can we say THANK YOU ERIN. You were just great.. We also must say good bye to our fearless leader Seth.. I had warned him about a group hug and he had said oh don't do that.. But I did, pulled him into the circle and we group hug for our wonderful Seth. We love you big guy!!! Out side we stand for at lease 20 min. or so trying to say all we could say to people we don't know if we will ever see again. It's hard to part from folks that are like long time friends. From now until Monday when we head for the airport it's the same over and over. Hug and see ya on the list. This was one fine weekend. The music was the best, the band was the best, the people were and will always be my SOMMs friends. Jamie (Village Idiot/SOMMs Mom) ------------------------------ From: AntiDog@aol.com Subject: Finding SG Albums In response to: PsykoStar@aol.com i'd like one of those tapes too, of all the b-sides, that is. also, does anyone know where to get UMOK or Screaming Life/Fopp? the older these albums get, the more impossible they are to find at you're local wherehouse. luv, star AntiDog writes: There both still available through their distributors. Depending on where you live, Tower Records can order for you; or, Rhino Records in L.A. I got Screaming life off the rack in L.A. at Rhino and Ultra-Mega, et al, at Tower. By the way, Tower has an 800-number (I dont have it on me, but you can call 800- information and theyll give it to you. I think Sub-Pop in Seattle, which has their store, would also have a catalog you can order from.... BTW: Rhino also has a good vinyl selection.... ------------------------------ From: AntiDog@aol.com Subject: Rockline On-Line Question Awhile back, maybe 3 months or so, SG was on Rockline. I caught the last 10-minutes or so. Im wondering if Rockline has on-line transcripts somewhere on the net. Any ideas? ------------------------------ From: AntiDog@aol.com Subject: TOTD Thread In response to mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst): Jonathan, I have to admit, when I first bought TOTD, I didn't think it was all that great. This was before I knew who Chris Cornell and Soundgarden were. I've had it for a few years now, and with my love of SG and PJ, I have grown to extremely like it--every song. A couple of weeks ago a friend of mine asked if he could have it. I was like, "Hell NO!" I really like the song Reach Down, but I would have to say my favorite songs would be Times of Trouble, Wooden Jesus, and Four Walled World(Mike Mc Cready kicks ass on that one.) AntiDog writes: Im completely with you in your admiration for the TOTD album. Reach Down, especially the refrain: ....reach down and pick the crowd up.. features what I think is one of the best vocal performances anywhere, by anyone. I also am very partial to Wooden Jesus. Great rythm. relative to your comment about TOTD and the AIC songs: yes, I had indeed noticed a certain similarity. Personally, I favor AICs Jar of Flies as my fave album of theirs (though the new one I also quite like) and I feel that several of the songs resemble Cornell penned riffs and Cameron inspired percussion. But ultimately, the cross-pollination amongst the bands just makes it better and richer for everyone. Into that. ------------------------------ From: AntiDog@aol.com Subject: Bravo! to Chicago and Seth In response to:Seth I asked all 4 band members to sign my Pretty Noose 7" for my brother AntiDog writes: Sure It was for your brother! Thats like in the movies when a man asks for an autograph for his wife and the signer asks, Whats her name? and the man says, Ralph. Psyche! I loved your report and those of everyone else. It sounds like it was just the best time. You really have to respect a band that treats its fans so well. Bravo! San Diegos planning a get-together too, but I dont think it will be featuring the extra-glam you guys experienced. And, Seth, thanks for running the list. If it werent for the list I still wouldnt have found anyone who likes SG... seriously. So, thanks.... ------------------------------ From: AntiDog@aol.com Subject: Lyric Fetishes (cont'd) A recently inroduced thread, somewhat overrun by the glory of Chicago, had to do with common lyrics amongst AIC, SG and PJ. The following was written in response to these discussions: Speaking of lyric fetishes, someone wrote about PJ and Porch and SG and dogs, has anyone noticed that both Cornell and Vedder use shades as a metaphor? Chris did it on TOTD and Eddie on TEN and Vs. ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: Re: Ben songs and drum sounds... >"Switch Opens is not bad, but it's not great either"???? > >It's my favorite song on DOTU (Along with Overfloater & Dusty) > >Damn, am I alone here again? > > >lance Did I reply to you earlier? If not, I totally LOVE Overfloater. I was singing it this morning. I like how the song starts off mellow then gets loud and kinda fast. RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: Re: another survey >I think he should leave his hair short. It makes him look more like Satan >than the lead singer for any ol band. > > >lance I think you're right. Who else do you know is sporting Cornell's spikes? He doesn't look like the lead singer for any copycat pop band! Chris has THE orginal look. RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Going to Chicago/Sorry that I can't take you all With hindsight, isn't it amazing that no one on the list guessed that Seth would be at the Chicago meeting? If Silver Management were going to go to all that trouble to arrange for sommsters to meet the band, it would have been crazy if the guy who started it all wasn't part of it. And deservedly so!! ( I bet Mr Cameron had a big say in that, Seth) And I am not surprised at Silver Mangement's postive attitude to somms either. Okay, there's bound to be a little bit of PR involved, but as Kathie will no doubt agree, there's *nothing* wrong with PR! :-) Anyway, just keep those Chicago posts coming!!! For those of us who couldn't be there and who may never get to touch Chris' fork, run their fingers through Kim's hair, lick Matt or get spat on by Ben, it's *almost* as good as being there. UK Deb ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Follow Chris into the desert? Maybe not,thanks. In Sunday's digest Sally wrote, with reference to BIMH video: >Metallica and R.E.M. have also done videos with blatant Christ/God/religion symbolism. What * really * bugs me about MTV is they let Metallica and Nirvana crucify someone, but will not show Jesus Christ Pose. How do they figure that out? BTW has anyone else noticed that women don't seem to fare too well in Soundgarden videos? Mess with Mr Cornell and you end up crucifed (JCP), buried alive (BIMH) or hung/strangled (PNoose). Even poor old Barbie gets a roasting!!! I am not offended by it, just kind of surprised. It's not really any wonder some of Soundgarden's detractors think of them as macho, sexist pigs. Or maybe Susan is behind it - sending us subliminal 'hands off' messages :-) UK Deb ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Hit List In Sunday's digest Siva wrote: >After reading the reviews of the first shows of the US tour, I have to >say that SG is playing most of their "hits" in the setlist every night. >More than half the songs on the setlist were hit singles released from >the last three albums and nothing is played earlier than the >Badmotorfinger era. It seems that ever since the tour began last June >they ALWAYS play Spoonman, My Wave, Black Hole Sun, FOBD, Outshined, and >other songs that were hits off the last 3 records and don't seem to have >any sort of variation in the setlist. >I thought that the band hated playing all hits off their albums! I think this may have something to do with some of the shows they did on the Superunknown tours. There was talk that a lot of it wasn't very dynamic (Reading 95 certainly wasn't!)The band have even acknowledged this, saying some of the SU stuff was more difficult to play and didn't always work too well live. But they didn't know what to to do about it. Maybe this is their solution. At Brixton they were certainly dynamic! And yes, I would have dearly loved to hear Beyond the Wheel, but I wasn't disappointed at what they did play. They were enjoying themselves and playing well and that's what matters most (to me anyway.) I think playing 'hits' like Outshined again reflects the fact they seem to be coming to terms with fame and success a bit more - and maybe even enjoying it a little! I don't think they'll ever do a Christmas album though - - sorry Geoff :-) Incidentally, Pearl Jam also seem to be playing all the hits this time round. I haven't seen the Rolling Stone interview with Eddie Vedder, but from other stuff I have read recently he seems to be chilling out a bit too. Better a show full of hits from happy and relaxed bands than a bullet in the head or a syringe full of heroin. Soundgarden are going to be around in some shape or form till they - and we - are old and grey (God willing) And who knows, Siva, on the next tour they may well start playing some of the pre BMF stuff. Absolutely the last post from me today (probably) UK Deb ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: Re: yet another survey >With all the talk about the BUTOW video I wondered what everyone's >favorite SG video is and what their least favorite SG video is? > >Also, to anyone who got to hear Chris on Rock 103.5 on Sunday, what did >you think of the interview? I thought it was great. He was only on for >40 minutes or so, but there were no commercials and they only played one >SG song. The rest was talk, talk, talk. (And yes, Chris does like to talk >a lot. ) It was great to hear what exactly the BUTOW video was about >directly from him along with hearing about their past and how success has >been to the group. He should do more interviews like this. I always >wondered in written articles about the band just how much they actually >did say and what was edited out. I only wish they allowed some phone >calls. I was all ready to talk to him. > >BTW, I am extremely jealous of all you people who got to go to the Chicago >shows. I couldn't go and was very bummed out about it all weekend. I was >feeling slightly better on Monday but when I came to school and read about >how great the show was and getting to meet the group, well you made it >even worse. Of course if I had met Chris I would have died, so at least >I'm still alive now. Same here. The Chigago raving is rather depressing. Anyway, my favorite SG vid would be Black Hole Sun, aside from BUTOW, which is rather new. JCP would probably be my favorite, but I am unfortunate to have ever seen the video. I have only seen picture clips which probably don't do the video justice. My least favorite vid would have to be Spoonman--only pictures of the band members were in the video! RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: Earplugs up your nose! Date sent: 12-NOV-1996 17:17:58 >> Hmm, good info, thanks. Sounds like you have a few of the Green River >> albums. WHat sort of music are they any way? >> >> Greg > > They have a pretty typical sound of all those old old sub pop bands, >just like a "we're so cool we don't care if we sound like shit" sound. i >don't really think they are all that wonderful, mark arm is actually pretty >annoying on most of the songs (not that he isn't annoying when he sings in >mudhoney. :) Soundgarden is really one of the only bands that i like from >that era, but i still think that their newer stuff from Badmotorfinger on >blows that all away. Hmm...maybe it's because Ben joined...:) Oh, c'mon. Green River is very good. Sure the vocals on a few songs get a little annoying, but for the most part their music is wonderful. I just bought Sub Pop's re-release of Dry As A Bone/Rehab Doll and I am very impressed. Of course, though, I DID get mad when I saw that SubPop used a whole bunch of colors for the insert, while Screaming Life/Fopp is in Black/White /Yellow. What's up wid dat? However, you do make the good point that there is a pretty unified sound of the early Sub Pop bands, that's a little different than the new Sub Pop bands, like Girls Against Boys. That's why the Seattle bands began to be associated as a "Seattle sound", because of the elements of their music that they had in common. Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: Re: Dogs being blind and such >Rosee, my favs of Temple are Wooden Jesus, All Night Thing, and Call Me a >Dog... > >Jonathan >"Soundgarden is like a loose steering wheel...Mischievious yet playful." >--Mattster If I forgot "Call Me A Dog" as a song on my list of favorite TOTD songs, I must be crazy! I totally love that song! It's one of those songs that I like because of Chris' voice, which gives me an undescribable feeling. RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: Re: What's this? >Kim did talk to us!!!! No it wasn't an hour long discussion because the >band was getting ready to go on and there were other demands on their time. >But when we enter the room to meet them Kim was the first one to walk up >to me and flash the most beautiful smile I have ever seen. Even after I >grabbed his arm and told him he was walking off with my pen he again flash >that smile at me. Then a few min. later I was treated to a third smile >when he searched me out and gave me back the cap of the silly pen. >Needless to say I kept thinking "OH God, I meet Kim and all I could do was >accuse him of taking my pen".. But later when I had my turn on the stage >Kim walked over to that side and when he saw me (yes I'm going to be >obsessed and think he was looking at me and me alone :-) ) - HE STOPPED >PLAYING AND GAVE ME A DOUBLE HAND WAVE AND A SMILE FROM EAR TO EAR.... > >Kim is absolutely gorgeous. He has the most unbelievable eyes and that >smile that makes you go weak in the knees. > >Jamie >(Village Idiot/SOMMS Mom) Whoa!! That's a first! Someone who gives Kim some consideration for being attractive...RIGHT ON!! I would love to see him in person(as well as the other band members.) This year though, that may not happen because I don't have tickets. RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: "Jamie C." Subject: long hair someone wrote this: > Um, first of all, i think Chris played guitar much better with longer > hair. what the hell is that supposed to mean? does it mean that the longer hair makes him play better guitar? hmmmm...... something about that comment just doesn't sound right.... - -- +jamie c.+ ******************************** "You and I are not the same.... you like everything." (I Mother Earth-"Three Days Old") ******************************** "two of us, that's dangerous" (Smashing Pumpkins-"Frail and Bedazzled") ******************************** ------------------------------ From: "Jamie C." Subject: kim and billy & Favorite bands Read the Spin interview w/Soundgarden form 1994 (I think) You'll see why KT and BC might have a little feud going....... (but they probably don't) No, sg isn't my favorite band. I'm on a Pearl Jam mailing list and neither are they. Hell, I'm on a Smashing Pumpkins mailing list and neither are they. I dig The Tea Party the most. Why, because of their ground-breaking style. They use cool East-Indian instruments all the time, and Jeff Martin is the best guitar player I've ever heard. All i can say is: So what if sg isn't my favorite? - -- +jamie c.+ ******************************** "You and I are not the same.... you like everything." (I Mother Earth-"Three Days Old") ******************************** "two of us, that's dangerous" (Smashing Pumpkins-"Frail and Bedazzled") ******************************** ------------------------------ From: Joe Cennamo Subject: Re: Swallow My Pride On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, MICHAEL APPLE wrote: > Date sent: 11-NOV-1996 23:58:03 > Hey, guys. > > SInce we're all talking about Green River's "Swallow My Pride," is > their record "Dry as a bone" any good? I saw it at the record shop, and > I'm thinking about buying it. I heard Swallow My Pride on Soundgarden: > Screaming Life, so I was wondering if all Green River songs were that good. definatly, my brother plays that album all of the time. And I love it!! This brings up another topic though, my brother thinks that Soundgarden copied from Green River. He says that Like Suicide is a copy of, one last stitch. Every time I play Superunknown he points out how Chris sings, one last stitch in the song. He also points out how Chris thanks Green River, Mark Arm, and Mudhoney on Ultramega OK. Personally, I think he may be a little right. But then he also tries to claim that every cool thing Kurt Cobain did was a copy of Mark Arm so. Well I would like to hear what you think. joec ------------------------------ Subject: Chicago photos From: seth I just got my photos from Chicago and I'm very pleasantly surprised. The pictures backstage, with the exception of a few of Chris that were ruined because he was right in front of the mirror, came out quite decent. I didn't get any of Kim -- I guess he walked out before I got a chance. I have some good shots of Chris, Ben, and Matt, though, which I will scan for the Chicago SOMMSfest '96 Web page (which will also have scans of the guest passes and my laminate on it), hopefully tomorrow night. Even better are the pictures I took from the pit. I would say that there are about 36 totally decent photos, and as soon as I get approval from the management, I will add a bunch of them to the Web page. The graininess of the film really adds to the shots, too, which surprised me. I was sure they would all look terrible. I'll let everyone know if and when I get the necessary approval... seth ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: Follow Chris into the desert? Maybe not,thanks. Date sent: 12-NOV-1996 18:39:20 >In Sunday's digest Sally wrote, with reference to BIMH video: > >>Metallica and R.E.M. have also done videos with blatant Christ/God/religion >symbolism. > >What * really * bugs me about MTV is they let Metallica and Nirvana crucify >someone, but will not show Jesus Christ Pose. How do they figure that out? I think Mtv should either eliminate all videos with that kind of stuff , or allow all of them. As Lincoln once said: "A house divided cannot stand." :) The only video with crucifiction imagery that really bothered me was the Nine Inch Nails video where the monkey was nailed to a cross. I felt so sorry for that monkey. :( He got killed and it wasn't even for a good video either. :( >BTW has anyone else noticed that women don't seem to fare too well in >Soundgarden videos? Mess with Mr Cornell and you end up crucifed (JCP), >buried alive (BIMH) or hung/strangled (PNoose). Even poor old Barbie gets a >roasting!!! That makes me wonder if Chris got dumped by girls a lot in high school . :) This could be his way of getting back. :) I hated the video for Black Hole Sun. It has absolutely nothing to do with the song's intention: to convey the idea of the misuse of sex to escape problems. (Well, at least, that's what I got out of it. Anyone else got any theories on Black Hole Sun? Let's hear them.) >I am not offended by it, just kind of surprised. It's not really any wonder >some of Soundgarden's detractors think of them as macho, sexist pigs. > >Or maybe Susan is behind it - sending us subliminal 'hands off' messages I thought it was really funny when that interviewer asked Kim why there weren't more women in hard rock (Soundgarden isn't even hard rock!). Kim said "Well, there are plenty of waitress positions open" just to bait her on. :) They obviously aren't sexist, but I think maybe a lot of people in the media are trying to put the tag on them, just to stir things up. Jeez, there's enough injustice out there already, without making up more! Seriously though, does anyone think that they would have made Susan Silver their manager if they were sexist? And don't say it was only because she was dating Chris, because he expressed that he thought it would be a bad idea because of their closeness. The reason they made her their manager was because she is VERY GOOD at managing bands. The media should go pick on Van Halen or Motley Crue or something for sexism. Not Soundgarden. Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: DeeDee Bradshaw-Autry Subject: Atlanta Nov 23 Alright SOMMsters...time to start thinking about the atlanta show...if yall wanna work out meeting each other before the show, let me know...and if there is anyone is atlanta that could recommend a meeting place near the omni, please let me know...would love you meet more of yall... DeeDee "I dont care if you lick Matt"...."He lets me lick him all the time"....Chris Cornell... "Dee Dee is crazy, plain and simple!!!".....Jamie...our SOMMS mom ******************************************************************************** Dee Dee Bradshaw-Autry "Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing..." TOOL "This is what it looks like, this is what is feels like, this is what it tastes like...this is what you've done to me..." Stabbing Westward "Be careful with me...I am fragile. Im a bitch babe...and Im on fire" Garbage http://www.infochase.com/ent/deedee/index.html ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: Rockline On-Line Question Date sent: 12-NOV-1996 18:56:40 >Awhile back, maybe 3 months or so, SG was on Rockline. I caught the last >10-minutes or so. Im wondering if Rockline has on-line transcripts somewhere >on the net. Any ideas? I dunno if Rockline has any online transcripts, but I do have a copy of the Rockline interview with a bunch of guitarists including Kim Thayil. The interview was REALLY funny because toward the end, Kim and Jerry Cantrell from Alice In Chains get really drunk, and Jerry pees in a bottle. :) They also discuss the sexual merits of guitars and coconuts. :) If anyone wants a copy of it, I could probably send you one via email. Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: What's this? Date sent: 12-NOV-1996 19:02:51 >>Kim did talk to us!!!! No it wasn't an hour long discussion because the >>band was getting ready to go on and there were other demands on their time. >>But when we enter the room to meet them Kim was the first one to walk up >>to me and flash the most beautiful smile I have ever seen. Even after I >>grabbed his arm and told him he was walking off with my pen he again flash >>that smile at me. Then a few min. later I was treated to a third smile >>when he searched me out and gave me back the cap of the silly pen. >>Needless to say I kept thinking "OH God, I meet Kim and all I could do was >>accuse him of taking my pen".. But later when I had my turn on the stage >>Kim walked over to that side and when he saw me (yes I'm going to be >>obsessed and think he was looking at me and me alone :-) ) - HE STOPPED >>PLAYING AND GAVE ME A DOUBLE HAND WAVE AND A SMILE FROM EAR TO EAR.... >> >>Kim is absolutely gorgeous. He has the most unbelievable eyes and that >>smile that makes you go weak in the knees. >> >>Jamie >>(Village Idiot/SOMMS Mom) > > >Whoa!! That's a first! Someone who gives Kim some consideration for being >attractive...RIGHT ON!! Yeah, Kim is dreamy.... What am I saying!!!!!!!? I'm a heterosexual male!!!!! Ack! Ack! Spit! Spit!! It makes sense that more women would drool over Chris than Kim, for the simple fact that Chris is the frontman, and therefore the most visible to the audience. Kim, as lead guitarist, will not move around as much, because he is doing such complex lead lines on his axe that it's impossible to move around much and keep playing. (I know this because I'm a lead guitarist. My brother, the frontman, is the one who jumps around and stuff . The most I've done is lie on my back on the ground and slide around the floor by pushing off with my legs... Oh, and I also kicked in my speakers at a show this summer while doing the the solo to one of our songs, but that's all.) Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: Swallow My Pride Date sent: 12-NOV-1996 19:12:35 >On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, MICHAEL APPLE wrote: > >> Date sent: 11-NOV-1996 23:58:03 >> Hey, guys. >> >> SInce we're all talking about Green River's "Swallow My Pride," is >> their record "Dry as a bone" any good? I saw it at the record shop, and >> I'm thinking about buying it. I heard Swallow My Pride on Soundgarden: >> Screaming Life, so I was wondering if all Green River songs were that good. > >definatly, my brother plays that album all of the time. And I love it!! > >This brings up another topic though, my brother thinks that Soundgarden >copied from Green River. He says that Like Suicide is a copy of, one last >stitch. >Every time I play Superunknown he points out how Chris sings, one last >stitch in the song. One Last Stitch sounds almost nothing like Like Suicide. The only thing both songs have in common is that their intros are done with acoustic guitar. Chris's vocals are about a THOUSAND times better than Mark Arm's, maybe a MILLION times better. Arm's words are too muffled and off-key, which I find strange because he wasn't playing guitar at the same time like Kurt Cobain did when he recorded. >He also points out how Chris thanks Green River, Mark Arm, and Mudhoney on >Ultramega OK. I thought that was because they were friends and knew each other. Maybe... but I dunno. I wasn't there. :) >But then he also tries to claim that every cool thing Kurt Cobain did was >a copy of Mark Arm so. > >Well I would like to hear what you think. Naw, Kurt was Kurt. There was only one person like him in the whole world. Boy, was Cobain a weird little psycho! But, very cool too. :) Personally, I think Kurt Cobain's vocals were better than Arm's. At least you can understand Kurt. I still like Arm's vocals, because they sound so chaotic and vicious, but they could be less muddy. Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ Subject: Details!!!! From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) Wow, has anyone seen the December "Details" magazine. The pictures of Chris are great, wonderful, great, sexy, great, intents, great and did I mention greatttttttt... This is no longer a cute little boy my friends. He is going for the older, dark and brooding look. I haven't read the article yet to busy looking at the pictures.. :-) But on the whole I would say Mr. Cornell is trying real hard to change his physical image and look.. The problem is the first Calvin Klein ad shows a guy who is trying real hard to look like our Chris but he is young. I guess no matter how hard he try's the commercial media will do it's best to keep up with his style and appeal. Jamie (Village Idiot/SOMMs Mom) BTW: There is one awful picture of Bill Corgan in the letter section. And we won't even talk about the pictures of Marily Manson... ::shutter:: ------------------------------ From: AvAndrea@aol.com Subject: Chicago, what else? After reading about I don't know how many days worth of somms digests all I can say is, "AAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I'm so happy for those of you who got to meet the guys in Chicago!! And thanks for the incredibly detailed reports. I felt like I was there (well...almost:-)) I was SOOOO happy to hear that they were cool and friendly and Eliza got to touch Chris' fork and Kathie gave him pumpkin bread (love you guys!!) AND you all got to meet Seth!!! I'm not going to lie and say I'm not just dying of jealousy but all of us sommsters were with you in spirit and it's so great to hear everyone's take on The Big Weekend. So, so happy for you guys and trying to find the backstage door at Universal Amp-- Andrea ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: true fan........? All I meant was that the auditorium was full of people who weren't there to see Soundgarden. They were there because "a" band was playing there. They would have been just as happy if it had been Alice Cooper or Hootie & the Blowfish as long as they got to jump around. I guess this list has kind of spoiled me. For years I didn't know anybody who was into SG like I am. And nobody understood the infatuation. Until I found the SOMMS list. Now I get a kick out of people across the country and around the world who get the same feelings from the music that I do. Like I said, you guys spoil me. Another reason: I guess after reading all the flames about moshing, I was kind of jaded toward the whole thing and was determined to just absorb the band and the music, but I kept getting jumped on by stoned metal heads. I'm not trying to say I'm better than anyone, I just think I would have had a better time if I could have seen a show with just SOMMSters. People who could get into the energy of the music for what it was. Didn't mean to offend. sorry - -lance- ------------------------------ From: psyche Subject: another link I was browsing the web once again looking for anything SG-related (see, this is what people, who *don't* get to meet SG, do ;-)) when I found this page called "Rocktoons". It's a collection of cartoon images, drawn by a guy called Tyler Martin, featuring most bands, including SG. The SG one is pretty amusing, the theme being a "sound garden", with Chris in overalls and Kim with a wheelbarrow and Ben and Matt.....erm......kneeling on the ground, so go see for yourself: www.crl.com/~tyman/rocktoons/soundgarden.html I know I'm not the best person to be giving out links (yes, I remember that mlb incident), but this one is absolutely correct. and if you have time, check out the NIN and Marilyn Manson cartoons as well. They're pretty good. sabrina ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: I can count it on my fingers... On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Toni M Roark wrote: > it did cost $32!!!! Do you think we could take up a collection for Kim and > buy him a few new t-shirts??? He wore his TOOL shirt again on Saturday > night. That shirt has been around for a loooooooooooooooooog time!! Also, I'd just like to note that I think it's cool that all four guys don't seem to really care that much about their outward appearance. I know that some listers feel that certain band members (primarily chris) alter their "image" on purpose to suit media relations or whatever, but I think that sort of thing (chris shaving his head, for instance) is more a case of the individual just wanting to change for the hell of it, not to look different in his next photo session. anyhow, I think it is cool that kim can be such a rich man, yet still maintain a wardrobe of monster magnet, corrosion of conformity and tool shirts for so long. let's face it - all four guys could buy new clothes on the hour and twice on sundays, but are just too down to earth for those sorts of "rock excess". I think you have to respect that. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: Seattle Tix IF YOU WANT EM. I GOT EM!!!! Dear SOMMSters, Thanx to JEN KERN (the Soundgarden godess of Seattle) I have tickets to see SG in Seattle December 11!!!!!!!!! HOWEVER MY FRIEND ALSO ACQUIRED 2 TIX FOR THE SAME SHOW!!!!!! So, to anyone out there who wants the see SG on the last show of their 1996 tour in their hometown of Seattle, Lemme know! I will gladly sell you my tix at face value!! Just E-mail me! Lance P.S. If I didn't mention it already, I am indebted to JEN KERN for the rest of my natural life!!!! Thanx JEN, you are the Ultramega in my book! ( : ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Now I would like this evening... Date sent: 12-NOV-1996 21:37:45 This is a message going out to all the Seattle SOMMS-sters. After reading an interview with Ben Shepherd, I kinda get the impression that Seattlites are getting sick of people moving into Seattle. Has this started slowing down yet, or is there still a big exodus to the Emerald City? Also, is it just down-on-their-luck musicians that are immigrating, or a whole ton of people. I'm curious as to your views on this. (Ben was apparently really upset about it. He said he wanted to raise a bunch of wild cats and set them free all over the country. And if anyone was foolish enough to mess with the cats, he'd shoot the people. Whoa...) Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL APPLE Subject: Re: I can count it on my fingers... Date sent: 12-NOV-1996 21:49:26 >On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Toni M Roark wrote: > >> it did cost $32!!!! Do you think we could take up a collection for Kim and >> buy him a few new t-shirts??? He wore his TOOL shirt again on Saturday >> night. That shirt has been around for a loooooooooooooooooog time!! Also, > > I'd just like to note that I think it's cool that all four guys >don't seem to really care that much about their outward appearance. I >know that some listers feel that certain band members (primarily chris) >alter their "image" on purpose to suit media relations or whatever, but I >think that sort of thing (chris shaving his head, for instance) is more a >case of the individual just wanting to change for the hell of it, not to >look different in his next photo session. Yeah, one of the main things I like about Grunge rock was that it is against changing your appearance in any way, just to match a certain style. I personally hate fashion, so the concept was attractive to me. Chris's haircut was definitely not to suit media relations. Here's what he said about it in the December issue of Details: "one day, I went from wondering what I would look like with a shaved head to 'That's pretty cool.' Then I put my hair in a big envelope and mailed it off to my wife. "The funny thing was, I did this really silly, personal thing for no reason, and then all of a sudden it was on MTV News and in Newsweek, and I still hadn't left the house. I thought it was strange, because I don't know how anyone found out about my hair, and I don't know why they cared." > anyhow, I think it is cool that kim can be such a rich man, yet >still maintain a wardrobe of monster magnet, corrosion of conformity and >tool shirts for so long. let's face it - all four guys could buy new >clothes on the hour and twice on sundays, but are just too down to earth >for those sorts of "rock excess". I think you have to respect that. Right on, right on. :) KIM THAYIL RULES!!!!!!! Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu (Vasant Ramamurthy) Subject: A funny thing Chris said at the Chicago show I read a quote from Chris in the paper today. It seems Chris is still a little ticked that the Bulls beat the Sonics in last year's NBA Finals. I'm not sure of the exact quote, but he said something like, "At least we don't have a player who makes movies with cartoon characters." Funny, especially if you're a Bulls fan like me. :-) Vasant ****************************************************************************** THE REFUGE OF THE DAMNED - Check out lots o' music stuff here!! http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu "When new damage comes, it's a new word for plague, a new world order, a new word for hate" - New Damage - Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: =) =) =) Hello kiddies... sorry I've been pulling a Chris (hiding). I've been reading ALL of the reports from Chicago, and all I have to say is... WHY didn't I sell my car so I could go, too?!?!? Heheheh... just kidding!! I love Soundgarden, but I also love my car. I couldn't get rid of my ride... even if it meant meeting the sexiest man alive. (Wait... that could be the drugs speaking, so let me think about it for awhile.) ;-) Seriously though... I'm SO proud of everyone for fondling Chris as much as possible! All the reviews were so good, it almost felt like I was there. =) Thanks to everyone for sharing it with us!! (Especially Vikki and Aaron... you guys rule!) Ummm... on to other important things... I picked up TWO copied of Details tonight. OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Page 159!!!!! That has to be one of the HOTTEST pictures of Chris EVER!! Why didn't any other photographers every think of spritzing the man down with water before taking pictures of him?!??!? AAAAUUUUGGGGGHHHHH!!!!! Let me just say that the picture is hanging on my wall now, because I had this ferocious licking fit right after I bought it. (Yes, I managed to control myself in the store... I'm SO proud of myself!!!) But the full body shot of him on page 161... jeez, the guy look GAUNT. Anyway, the article is decent... I especially liked the parts about the video (bondage, yummy)... and this comment by Chris: "Reclusivity can become self-perpetuating. At first you rationalize that going to a club where people recognize you is a bad idea; then going to a neighborhood bar becomes a bad idea, too. Going to the grocery store becomes a bad idea. Answering the phone becomes a bad idea. Then every time the dog barks, you think the National Guard is on your roof ready to drill holes in the shingles and shoot at you. So I have to deal with the outside world on sort of a maintenance level... go out to a bar every so often and just be around people." You've got to love that man. He's addictive... kinda like whipped cream. Chris Cornell and whipped cream. Now do you see the connection?? ;-) And you people thought I just wanted to tie the man up and smear it all over his sexy body. Jeez... you people are TWISTED. Heheheh... Shroom "Shroom, I hope you don't mind... but I'm going to get you terribly drunk, and then take you back to my place for some naked Twister. Susan says she'll take the pictures and do all the spinning." ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: pile of bones for my bed... Blind Dog asked: >>any other australian lurkers bought their ticks yet? and are the shows selling for around $38? and have = there been many people lining up and buying? carolyn? mandy? have you bought your's yet? Hey Justin, NO! I bought my Big Day Out tickets the day they went on = sale, but Soundgarden isn't doing a separate concert in Adelaide, much = to my DISGUST AND DISMAY!! :-O =20 :-( This really surprises me, actually, because if any city misses out = on "big" bands it's usually Perth or even Brisbane, not Adelaide! We = usually get the same as Sydney or Melbourne! Damn damn DAMN. =20 And from memory, (lucky) Mandy got her tickets for the Newcastle concert = before the shows were properly announced. Good old Mandy, with that = inside info, who told us AGES ago SG would be appearing at the BDO = concerts! (C'mon, Mandy, how about predicting an Adelaide concert, just = for me??) I've asked before, but I must ask again, are there ANY fellow = Soundgarden Sommsters from South Australia????? And if so, are you = going to the BDO???????? >>btw, the butow single should be out here in oz next monday (nov. 18), end of the week at the latest. look for it in your local record = bar where all authorised soundgarden merchandise is sold :) I heard it for the first time on the radio (other than when DOTU was = first released, when every song was played many times over within that = first couple of weeks) yesterday. Is it the same version as on the = album, or a slightly different one? Keep those Chicago reviews rolling in, guys, it's just so EXCITING = reading them all! :-) Cheers all, Carolyn the Most Faithful Don't drop the soap - don't smoke no dope.....The Cruel Sea ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: PAIN >>got to see Chris do a cool monologue about pain (I would love it if someone got all or most of what he said) I dont remember word for word, but he (after singing FoBD) started by saying something like "I have thought about killing myself but I am too chicken shit...not that I am afraid to go to the great beyond or anything....but it would HURT!" Then he went on about the pain of suicide and that he would do it, if it wouldn't hurt. And then said something silly about not having body peircings cuz they hurt. So instead of suicide he just spends time with friends and make music cuz "at least it doesn't hurt." Some people found it funny, i kind of found it disturbing but interesting...one thing we cannot dispute is that the man certainly has an incredibly quick wit. ------------------------------ From: DeeDee Bradshaw-Autry Subject: Re: I can count it on my fingers... im kinda curious...just how well off are they? i realize theyve sold tons of records...etc...but how much of that goes back into production etc? i thought i recalled hearing that they give themselves a salary and they dont excede that salary... At 11:55 AM 11/13/96 +1000, you wrote: >On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Toni M Roark wrote: > >> it did cost $32!!!! Do you think we could take up a collection for Kim and >> buy him a few new t-shirts??? He wore his TOOL shirt again on Saturday >> night. That shirt has been around for a loooooooooooooooooog time!! Also, > > I'd just like to note that I think it's cool that all four guys >don't seem to really care that much about their outward appearance. I >know that some listers feel that certain band members (primarily chris) >alter their "image" on purpose to suit media relations or whatever, but I >think that sort of thing (chris shaving his head, for instance) is more a >case of the individual just wanting to change for the hell of it, not to >look different in his next photo session. > > anyhow, I think it is cool that kim can be such a rich man, yet >still maintain a wardrobe of monster magnet, corrosion of conformity and >tool shirts for so long. let's face it - all four guys could buy new >clothes on the hour and twice on sundays, but are just too down to earth >for those sorts of "rock excess". I think you have to respect that. > > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > - words by kim thayil > ----------------------------------- > > ******************************************************************************** Dee Dee Bradshaw-Autry "Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing..." TOOL "This is what it looks like, this is what is feels like, this is what it tastes like...this is what you've done to me..." Stabbing Westward "Be careful with me...I am fragile. Im a bitch babe...and Im on fire" Garbage http://www.infochase.com/ent/deedee/index.html ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: The Point of it All Leave it to this constantly guilt-stricken emotional mushball to post this....but i have been thinking alot today about some of the reactions to our Chicago posts, both public and the private ones I have received. I remember how hard it was to read about Gemma's meeting the band - i was totally psyched for her but wanted to be there too. So, for the sake of feeling bad about any perceived overkill (to which i contributed plenty ;-), I would like to say that I think as a group there are really 2 main things we have been trying to convey here: 1. The Fans: the fans on the list are truly *wonderful* people.....as Jamie so eloquently put it, all genders, races, sizes, styles, etc. came together and *loved* eachother because there is such an intense bond. After reading and writing eachother for so long, it is a great feeling to know that we all are real, good people and very capable of being friends off this list. 2. The Band: We all know that the band is incredibly talented, that is a given...and we all know we love their music, that is a given.....BUT the most incredible thing to discover on top of all of that is that they are WONDERFUL people. I think we have all been trying to get that point across and i hope we have. I think I speak for everyone involved when I say that this element makes our love for Soundgarden so much more intense and so much more *real* Yeah, Ben has a temper, but hey so do I. So do alot of us. Above and beyond the known of their music, we now all know that they are great guys that command tons of respect. If anyone cares that this is what I was thinking about today, this is what i was thinking about today. eliza ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Chicago Trib Review The Monday issue of the Tribune had the same lame ass interview that the Sunday paper had. I wonder if the interviewer even bothered going to the shows, or were too drunk to decipher what was going on in the first place. Kinda makes you think. The List Schmoozer, Aaron *thanx for the new title Andrea* ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Detroit show Just got back from the show ehre at the palace. it was way good. i think something is seriously wrong with chris though. about mid=way through he starts doing one of his little between song things, and all of a sudden lays down and starts saying in this high-pitched, little kid voice, something about taking a nap in detroit. then when people start laughing and hollering, he yells for everyone to shut the fuck up, he's trying to take a nap. then he really got weird, and did some stupid shit. it was kind of funny though, after that he went into i think fell on black days. ben was crazy, doing all the stuff that ben does on stage. i really liked the version of helter skelter they did, all slowed down. then, right toward the end, ben starts playing the bass line to "nothing to say" and chris starts talking about playing this old shit every once in a while, so i figure they're going to do nothing to say, right? then they just went into slaves and bulldozers, which still ruled, but was not nothing to say. the, the coolest part was they ended, and we rushed down (no floor seats, big bummer) to floor level, and the lights came on. no JCP, no nothing. we couldn't believe the concert was over, but a bunch of people were leaving and such, so my heart sank. then they all came back out and did no attention with the lights on, which was really cool. then they did JCP, also with thte lights on a lot of the time, then the lights went out, and for about 15 minutes chris and kim just fucked around doing weird feedback stuff with their guitars. it was kind of strange. anyway, that was the show. no backstage, no meetings, but it was cool anyway. http://pages.prodigy.com/hearsch/dan1.htm ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Chicago Trib review of the concert Anna copied the lousy review the Tribune gave the concert, but so far it was the only one that gave it a bad review. The SunTimes and the Southtown both gave rave reviews, which I will send to Seth if he wants them for the page. Personally I don't know how they could have gotten a bad review. I've seen Soundgarden 6 times now and the Saturday concert was the best I've ever seen. The other times were all between 90 and 92 and the band has really matured both as musicians and as performers. Besides, the Trib is our "conservative" paper. They're probably all still in a bad mood because Dole lost. Kathie Still basking in the glory of Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: "Kate Phelan" Subject: Hey Seth ... Two Words: Fucking Loud ... Loud Fucking ... Either way it says the same to me ... Soundgarden ... : - )= ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Chris, you're so trendy... ;-) Well kiddies... I've devoted this evening to drooling over those new pictures in Details of Chris. I realized (mostly by glancing through the rest of the magazine) that Chris is sporting the new "look." The new, hip, fashion-runway, everyone-wants-to-be-cool "look." And then I remembered what the media is calling this new appearance/trend. They're calling it the "heroin look." (Anyone see Trainspotting?) I wonder if Chris is aware of this? I mean... the whole "shadow eyed, gaunt cheeks, wasted away... heroin look"... it's kinda scary. Has anyone else noticed this? I know, I know... Chris doesn't do his own make-up. But what does Susan think of it? Surely she must be aware that Chris is being trussed up like a guy in a CK One advertisement. All he needs is Kate Moss displaying her waif butt next to him, and he could be hawking cologne in a big way. (Don't get me wrong... he's totally gorgeous in the pictures, as always.) Hmmm... maybe I'm just being paranoid. You'll have to excuse me, it's the drugs. ;-) Ok, I guess I'm done babbling now. Love me, bye-bye... Shroomy "We're pretty much drug-free when it comes to the legal stuff." ~ my ex-roommate, Allen "Forget the heroin, Shroomy... we have something BETTER! Let's eat as much whipped cream we can, and then see how much nitrous oxide we can suck down before we pass out... while taking pictures of the whole thing!! Yeah!! Whippets!! That's as American as apple pie and dying your hair with Kool-Aid! Wait... before you start snapping pictures, let me take my shirt off. There can never be too many shots of my sexy chest..." ~ Chris Cornell ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Ha! Jamie wrote: >The problem is the first Calvin Klein ad shows a guy who is trying real >hard to look like our Chris but he is young. I guess no matter how hard he >try's the commercial media will do it's best to keep up with his style and >appeal. Aha!! So I'm NOT the only one who thinks Chris looks like a CK advertisement!! (Sorry kiddies... I had posted before checking my mail... oops, mybad.) Evil, evil, evil photographers. They can make him look like a heroin-whore ;-) but they can't get him to take his shirt off anymore??!?!? AAAUUUGGGGHHHH!!!! Shroomy - - Just kidding about the heroin-whore comment. I think? - - Sex is not the answer. Sex is the question. "Yes" is the answer. (SCOTT, yummmmmmmmy) - - Look, I'm Nothingman! (Send me your money...) - - "...But I would marry L.S.D." ~ Stinkbug - - "She drinkin' my Jack Daniels and smokin' all my weed" ~Andy Wood, MLB - - Okokok... enough with the drugs. ;-) ------------------------------ From: Mandy Crook Subject: Chicago Hi guys, Ive just been reading the posts about the Chicago shows, it sounds like you all had the best time and Im extremely jealous, I cant believe I have to wait till the end of January, buy when it comes I'll be seeing them in Sydney and Newcastle three times in one week. Aaaaahhhhh that is how it should be all the time. Has anyone got any idea when BUTOW is being released in Australia???? I watched hours of boring new releases on RAGE last Friday for nothing. Cheers Mandy ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 303] ****************************************