From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 9 Nov 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 02:46:19 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 9 Nov 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: ultimate sg setlist Excellent! Is this REALLY necessary!? Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 8 Nov 1996 sick of the 'mosh' thread but oh well (c: I have to be controversial. Re: what it takes to step through... Re: Seattle show chicago bound Re: sg at Planet Hollywood Re: can we STOP this stupid thread? sayonara amigos Re: I have to be controversial. misc. Live IN SLC Re: chris voice, Moshing Moshing Arguments... Chicago Somms Fest Re: Caryn's advice on meeting celebrities re:Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 8 Nov 1996 SG songwriting Re: It WAS a happy day.........Johnny Cash, BiMH.......and cookies... to all the chicago-bound people BUTOW Vid Re: SG songwriting Re: to all the chicago-bound people Re: another survey concert review (Salt Lake City) Re: Moshing Arguments... another survey dec. 5, kaiser convention center in oakland Chicago where comes SOMMS Mom!!! Ben songs and drum sounds... PLEASE! Re: another survey SuperKnowledge CONCERT SURVEY Re: SG songwriting Re: Ben songs and drum sounds... Re: another survey My luck fails:(...meeting place for Nov. 10? Re: another survey #18 Pigeonhead New Chris Article STuFF Kim Thayil equip.feature Re: buy the roadside (or the hater record, to be more exact)... numbers, symbols, satyagraha and willie the unix boy Makes ya want to spit.... big dumb sex Details Magazine Cover.. Re(2): SG songwriting Kim Thayil Guild article reach down...wow. Re: another survey Del Mar SG SOMMSfest Re: shows shows Re: Kim Thayil Guild article ------------------------------------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Re: ultimate sg setlist Date sent: 8-NOV-1996 01:02:44 >Since SG began their US tour yesterday I thought maybe we could take a little >survey. Basically what I want to know is: if SG played a live set of 15 >songs, which ones would you want to hear? I will compile the results and >post them at a later date. Here is my list (in no particular order): 1. >JCP, 2. Spoonman, 3. Pretty Noose, 4. Rusty Cage, 5. Birth Ritual, 6. Never >the machine forever, 7. Heretic, 8. Room a thousand years wide, 9. Flower, >10. Full on Kevins Mom, 11. Let me drown, 12. The day I tried to live, 13. My >wave, 14. Ty Cobb, 15. Outshined. Those are my picks lets hear yours. Oh, God. It was tough to pick out only fifteen songs. There are SO many good Soundgarden songs, it's almost impossible to single out 15. But, okie, here's my list: 1. Ty Cobb 2. Beyond The Wheel 3. Fell On Black Days 4. Pretty Noose 5. Room A Thousand Years Wide 6. Rusty Cage 7. Nothing To Say 8. Loud Love 9. Big Dumb Sex 10. Outshined 11. Burden In My Hand 12. Drawing Flies 13. Fresh Tendrils 14. 4th Of July 15. Black Hole Sun I was going to put in one of my own songs "She Needs A Shrink," but not only would that have been incredibly egotistical (sorry. :) ) but incredibly unlikely as well. Besides, they were all supposed to be Soundgarden songs anyway. Sigh... too bad. That sopng would sound great, played by SG. Ben would love it's heaviness. Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Excellent! Date sent: 8-NOV-1996 01:20:19 I was wondering, how many people know that there is a Soundgarden song in Wayne's World? Loud Love is played in Gasworks, while Wayne is talking to Cassandra at the bar. I wonder if it's on the soundtrack... I dunno. But , maybe it should be mentioned on the unofficial homepage. Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: Outshined Subject: Is this REALLY necessary!? ...I guess it is, thanks to Caryn's condescending and tasteless remarks as of late... let's see what we have... [Author's note : if you're pressed for time, rip into this one later... it's fairly lengthy...] *Kathie: >> I guess right now I'm pretty starry-eyed about Soundgarden >> and Silver Management, considering how nice they've been to >> those of us attending the Chicago shows. *Caryn: > *humph* yes, and since we know that there are lurkers on the > list, let us not say anything that might revoke our precious > backstage passes. ummm... (for lack of a more eloquent phrase) what in hell is THAT supposed to mean, Caryn!? "lurkers"? ok, what of them? I fail to see any connection between them, the backstage passes, and this discussion... please, enlighten me. Interesting word choice, by the way... "precious" backstage passes? I take that display of sarcasm as saying that you are either envious of and/or begrude those who have them. If this the case (as implied by the context of your statement), then I'm sorry that you are so shallow. If it's not the case, then perhaps you should have worded your sentence more clearly. *Caryn: > hey -- wait to see what you get from them before being so > starry-eyed. do any of you really know what a 'walk-through' > means? it doesn't mean you get to hang out backstage with the > band like in some MTV contest fantasy. No shit. We (those of us going to meet SG in Chicago, or pretty much ANYONE on this list, for that matter) are not a gang of starstruck, dumbshit fans. We know better than to expect something like that. In fact, no one really expected ANYTHING, so we're certainly not going to play it up as some- thing truly fantastic. We know what we're getting, and we're glad for the opportunity. [here's the stuff that really got me pissed] *Kathie: >> You have no idea what I've been discussing with Silver >> Management because I have chosen not to put on the list >> things that only concern a small segment of the list. *Caryn: > okay, here we go: "i know something but i'm not telling" > "aren't we ALL so special that we get to meet the band and > the rest of the list doesn't". > that's bullshit and it's disgusting. what elitism. > how unfair to the rest of the list to wave this in our faces > like this. make us all feel like shit. I simply cannot believe that the author of this statement wishes to be taken seriously. This is one of the most vicious and ignorant paragraphs that I have ever had the displeasure to read. I feel inclined to break it down a little further : > okay, here we go: "i know something but i'm not telling" > "aren't we ALL so special that we get to meet the band and > the rest of the list doesn't". (shaking my head incredulously) ummmmm... NO. I think all Kathie was trying to say is that she has kept information regarding the Chicago meeting off the list because it doesn't pertain to all members of the list (as not all members are going to Chicago to meet the members of Soundgarden and see them play live). She felt it best not to clutter the list with information that only a handful of people needed to read. How you (Caryn) mis- construed this as meaning that she (Kathie) was trying to "rub it in", I have no idea. Especially since she kept the info OFF the list!! If she wanted to brag and parade the information around, the best way to do that would have been to put it ON the list. Exactly the opposite of what she did. Any show of excitement on the list has been nothing more than that displayed by the listers going to see Hater in Seattle. Kathie has handled the situation (the whole Chicago scenario) very tactfully. Quite a contrast to your sharp tongue and ill disposition. > that's bullshit and it's disgusting. what elitism. Elitism!? The pot calling the fucking kettle black! You, Caryn, are the one delivering your words from on top of your own little pedestal. "How unfair to the rest of the list to wave this in our faces like this", you wrote... "make us all feel like shit", you said... all of the sudden you're better than us, because it's your OPINION that the Chicago-bound listers are behaving immaturely, huh? Stop acting like the voice of reason when in fact all you've presented are cheap and thoughtless insults. *Kathie: >> However, since then there have been further developments >> that those of us who are going will be sure to share with >> the list after the show. *Caryn: > oh boy... here we go again. 'we are all just SOOOOOO special > and we have this BIG SECRET that we can't tell you!' really, > kathie. i know you're excited but i do think this is uncalled for. Again this statement is made without any supporting evidence. At no time did Kathie gloat (in any way, shape, or form) about the Chicago get-together, or talk down to those not involved... *Kathie: >> Perhaps I'm naive, but I DO believe in the >> sincerity of Silver Management and I don't know why you feel >> the need to try to lessen what those of us who are involved find >> to be a very exciting thing. I think part of you wants to know >> better, but I know you are wrong. *Caryn: > you don't know anything yet, now do you Kathie? heh... who's making who feel like shit NOW, Caryn? "You don't know anything..." wow. Really classy statement. > i just might know more about what's going on than you know. yeah, you seem to know everything, don't you... If what you possess is considered knowledge, then let me be a fool... > and since you're not going to share your special little secret > with the rest of us who are so unworthy, I can't possibly debate > anything further. as if the horse wasn't dead enough... let's beat it some fucking MORE!! In your quoted text throughout this post, I find your attitude and words to be reprehensible and just donwright rude. The fact that it was for nothing makes it even worse. Kathie did not deserve your attacks. I think I've said enough for now. Comments most certainly welcome. Kevin (Outshined) - - - - - - - ------ --- ------------ doom@rhf.bradley.edu ------------------------------ From: Michael Groark Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 8 Nov 1996 I was just reading the message I sent yesterday and I realized that I forgot to add an important point. When I met Ben he was always really cool. He was cracking jokes and laughing. I guess some people just have different vibes when they are on stage. I think that Chris often has the same pissed off attitude on stage as well. I think a good lesson could be learned from PJ. The lesson being that if your fans think you sincerely give a shit about what happens, they will be a lot more responsive to what they say and the music they play. I went to four of PJ's fall tour dates and was amazed at how Eddie could keep the show safe by periodically asking the crowd to just take a couple of steps back or to watch out for your neighbors because they are or will soon be friends. From the many SG shows I have been to the attitude from the crowd and from the stage are quite different. As for moshing, I think it is great part of some shows. Growing up as a little punk in the Ramones and Bad Religion pits, it seemed that before this whole slam dancing thing went MTV the whole scene was a lot safer and a hell of a lot more fun. Once the whole thing got to varsity lettermen it seems as if these boneheads show up with their high school football teams and decide that they want to play American Gladiators. Moshing has become, for the most part, just pure unadulturated aggression. There is no need for that. And when people start getting hurt, the bands should do something about it before the government decides to. Because government intervention into our culture sucks. Mike ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: sick of the 'mosh' thread but oh well (c: Mike writes: >Growing up as a little punk in the Ramones and Bad Religion pits, I commend you in your admiration for this bands. I'm proud to say I've seen BR 7 times now (just missed the 8th because of a scheduling problem)... & I definately understand were you're coming from in the lack of safety in pits nowadays. I recall in 88 or 89 seeing Bad Religion (Suffer tour - I forget who they opened for) for the first time and despite being 14 or so on top of small & thin I never feared getting hurt at the show. When I saw them a few short months ago at age 21, 6'2" & enough weight to take care of myself I feared that I was going to have to beat some idiots senseless because I felt someone was going to kill some of the 'kids' (much like me 7 years ago) at the show. Then again, being idiots they most likely already were senseless. Anyway, sorry to bother you. I just wanted to say something about it (c: Hm... Soundgarden relation here. The Ramones & Bad Religion each opened for Pearl Jam (on separate tours) who toured with Soundgarden in Lolla 92 who played with the Ramones in Lolla 96 which featured Satchel on the second stage who had their current lp recorded in Litho Studios as did Soundgarden's latest which is owned my Pearl Jam guitarist Stone Gossard who played in Mother Love Bone along with Andrew Wood, ex-roommate of Chris Cornell who sings & plays guitar for Soundgarden. Also members of Soundgarden played with the Ramones in their final (maybe) show. And ALSO moshing often occurs at Soundgarden shows. And also both Bad Religion & Soundgarden each never had their first record (both eps) available in it's original form on anything but vinyl. By the way if you're still reading & you saw the Frogs / Bad Religion / Pearl Jam in Chicago in 95 did BR come out on stage all wearing nun outfits or is this only an odd rumor? I'm not going to prove how this is Soundgarden related... I'm too tired. Everyone about to see Soundgarden over the next few weeks: ENJOY! And to those that are to meet the guys: don't mock Ben or throw anything at him, don't photograph Kim without permission, don't ask Matt to sing "Sad McBain" & don't give Wolfboy any gift certificates to Supercuts! We don't want to offend anyone in the band... Ray (c: ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wrecker" <9551219@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Subject: I have to be controversial. Listen. Does anyone have the correct definiton of moshing? Is moshing: 1) jumping around, getting aggressive, pushing people over and generally creating "space for oneself" in time with the music 2) Nodding one's head from side to side, up and down and moving back and forth on the dance floor 3) Releasing all the cares and worries in a temporary highly charged bout of sheer extacy by screaming out the lyrics to your favourite song (in this case JCP) whilst jumping like crazy and moving as many limbs in as random a direction as possible, in general time with the song. In my opinion there are songs you simply can't mosh to and there are those you simply must mosh to. For example, when I saw Soundgarden last month there were a variety of dance styles in operation. There were the people who "aren't totally into soundgarden but came along for a cool night out" who stand way at the back singing whatever words they know and nodding their heads to the music. There were the people who through no fault of their own are moved about in swathes along the general direction of the croud and are: 1) too tightly packed to move anything other than their heads or 2) so exhausted they can barely stand: who are obviously big fans but either newcomers to the band or this is their first rock concert. Finally there were people like myself who can't help but get right in their at the mosh pit and have a fucking good time. You know it's not that hard to avoid the moshers. All you have to do is stand a little further back from the stage. By doing this you'll get a better view of the stage and wont get kicked/ punched... whatever. I've seen one or two of you complaining about how you want to stand at the front to see the band or get closer to Chris etc but can't because of the crowdsurfers, moshers etc. Now I can't understand why, seeing as most people (I hope) only go to hear the music. Why should you should be bothered about seeing what hairstyle Chris is modelling or what colour his socks are? I mean that's just sad. When I joined this list I wasn't interested in the letters about what Chris did today, when he did the toilet and what he had for dinner. I wish some of you would jus realise their just normal people with particularly good talents on their respective instruments. Chris is not a god, okay. Admittedly he's a cool person whom I wouldn't turn down a chance to meet but get a life some of you! In conclusion I have to say that unless a major dance revolution takes place in the near future you non moshers will just have to put up with it. And as they say in France, C'est la vie. Get it? Oh and one last thing. I hope this conversation about moshing ends soon, it really is bugging the tits off me. It's something you'll just have to accept. If you don't want to get invlved, piss off and see sesame street live or something! Cheers and beers Andrew Clarke PS Just out of interest, I don't have long hair and never have, but I still jump around like a madman at concerts. Is anyone else on this list a shorthair? Ciao. Alive in the Superunknown. ------------------------------ From: psyche Subject: Re: what it takes to step through... Mind Riot wrote: > yes, definately, chris is one of the best singer/songwriter >combinations that has graced the music scene in a long time. and no, >he isn't being egotistical on the albums... it's just he wants credit >for it. all four have their different copywriting companies (is that >what they're called?) so they all get to say who wrote what and ect. >i like that they do that, it gives me an insight to their brains. I have to agree with you here; I hardly think that writing more songs than the rest justifies Chris as being an egotist. I'm sure that if the other members of SG had a problem with it, they'd tell him straight out. It's not like Chris is their boss and they don't have a say in anything. Maybe they do have a million songs stashed away somewhere, and maybe they're dying to release them, but it's also possible they heard the songs Chris wrote and actually liked them more than their own. I'm sure they wouldn't have let Chris put songs they don't like on any record. and moving away from credits: the band has been mentioned in an article as being fiercely democratic, splitting their interview duties between themselves..........although I haven't really noticed this; I still think Chris and Kim do the most interviews. the only ego streak I can detect is that so-called SG calendar :) I finally got it! and all I can say is, they should have called it the Chris Cornell calendar featuring SG. Of course, I don't think Chris had much to do with it. I'm sure it was just some publisher, figuring Chris was a better selling point. and a little note concerning digest-sommsters: I know seth has mentioned this before, but some of you seem to have forgotten this (or maybe you don't know), so I'll repeat it: When replying to a digest, DO NOT reply to: somms-digest@mit.edu reply *only* to: somms@mit.edu and please, please, please *delete* the previous digest when replying. It's really annoying to receive the entire thing again. This has happened around 2-3 times this week and I and other digest-sommsters would appreciate it, if you (you know who you are :)) followed those guidelines. thankyou :) sabrina ------------------------------ From: Dan Chalich Subject: Re: Seattle show No I'm not going to the Seattle show or any show, the show in Philly sold out in about 15 minutes, I didn't even have a shot to get tickets. Is Soundgarden putting out any import CD's from there Europe tour? On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Ken Casey wrote: > Is anyone going to the Seattle show? ( The second one, Wed. Dec. 11th ) > > Laurie C > ------------------------------ From: DeeDee Bradshaw-Autry Subject: chicago bound at last...i think ive packed everything in sight...including the kitchen sink, thanks seth for your help on that decison :)...and yes Aaron, i finally found that 'thingy' i was forgetting to remember i forgot... so here we go...nervous as hell...i couldnt sleep all night, finally dropped from exhaustion at 5am...so needless to say i overslept...i put my contacts in inside out, ouch...but other than that...all is groovy..so i am off to the chicago somms fest '96...cant wait to meet everyone, including the band...see yall there... DeeDee...the list southernbelle... ******************************************************************************** Dee Dee Bradshaw-Autry "Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing..." TOOL "This is what it looks like, this is what is feels like, this is what it tastes like...this is what you've done to me..." Stabbing Westward "Be careful with me...I am fragile. Im a bitch babe...and Im on fire" Garbage http://www.infochase.com/ent/deedee/index.html ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: Re: sg at Planet Hollywood >Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 08:24:12 -0500 >To: saperl@MIT.EDU >From: Mercyhurst Prep Library >Subject: Re: sg at Planet Hollywood > >At 01:58 AM 11/6/96 EST, you wrote: >> >>> Also, at the risk of being a copycat, I'm thinking of contacting Silver Mgmt. >>> about passes for us listmembers who are going to the Atlanta show. So what >>> do you think and how many of you are going? >> >>I would strongly advise that anyone who is planning to do this think >>twice. It's miraculous enough that Silver Management even acknowledged >>this list in the first place, and even more amazing that they agreed >>to set something up specifically for list members. >> > >I'm sorry, but I have to agree w/ Seth on this. Just b/c we're on some list doesn't mean anything special to SM or Sg. > >>I'm very much of the opinion that we shouldn't push our luck. > >I have the same opinion. Rethink any requests or ideas to make requests! As w/ Seth, this is just IMHO too. > > ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: Re: can we STOP this stupid thread? At 01:07 PM 11/6/96 -0800, you wrote: > >the person who posted the idiotic message comparing eddie to chris was >clearly a troll. most of us managed to ignore it, realizing that the >whole point of the message was to get us worked up. unfortunately, it got >recycled when the mit mail server went bezerk again. > >really... this discussion is about as pointless as the 'eddie vedder could >never sing in front of matt cameron's drumming' one. you don't like >eddie, that's fine. you like eddie, that's fine. can we leave it at >that unless you have some brilliant point that none of us have considered? > > > >has anyone gone to see 'hype!' yet? has it started playing anywhere >outside of seattle? > >--caryn Has anyone read the new Rolling Stone w/ Vedder on the cover?? I'll get to read my friend's this weekend but she said it exposed Vedder for the jerk he is. Personally I've never liked him and back when Vs was coming out I said there were problems w/in the band, and we've been told as much by a friend of McCready's who also does a zine. It's there in b&w for PJers to finally see. My brilliant point.....hmmm...if I have one it's that Vedder doesn't have exactly a melodic voice, nor is he prone to the shrieks CC is known for....the stuff that CAN carry over Matt's drumming and Kim's axe. Different bands, different sounds, it all evolves....I still prefer Ten, I also prefer bmf and su. It's all what our ears like, what our tastes are. How 'bout some more comments on this string?? ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: sayonara amigos yup, i am trilingual ;-) Well, i am off as well....got my car gassed up and my map in my hand - now let's just hope i can stay awake for the drive thru the state of Indiana! now, something occured to me....your Somms Sheriff and Deputy will both be away from the list for a few days....so Y'ALL BEHAVE ;-) (haha, i am meeting DeeDee very soon so i had to thrown in a "y'all") unfortunately i *have* to do some work while in chicago, so i'll have my laptop and hope to let everyone know how the band meeting goes, if we all make it till tomorrow. And we will post about the concert as well, since we haven't heard anything yet from the folks who went to the 1st and 2nd U.S. shows!!!! *humph * see ya eliza ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Re: I have to be controversial. Date sent: 8-NOV-1996 >Listen. Does anyone have the correct definiton of moshing? >Is moshing: >1) jumping around, getting aggressive, pushing >people over and generally creating "space for oneself" in time with >the music > >2) Nodding one's head from side to side, up and down and moving >back and forth on the dance floor > >3) Releasing all the cares and worries in a temporary highly >charged bout of sheer extacy by screaming out the lyrics to your >favourite song (in this case JCP) whilst jumping like crazy and >moving as many limbs in as random a direction as possible, in general >time with the song. I think it could be defined as: A dance in which one violently thrashes around, while others are systematically lifted from the dance floor and carried above the crowd. >In my opinion there are songs you simply can't mosh to and there are >those you simply must mosh to. THis is completely true. Sponge is definitely moshing music, while Blues Traveller is not. (I went to HORDE fest and my dad was worried that I'd get hurt in "the mosh pit." I was, like, "Dad, Blues Traveller and Rusted Root are playing!" :) ) >For example, when I saw Soundgarden last month there were a variety >of dance styles in operation. >There were the people who "aren't totally into soundgarden but came >along for a cool night out" who stand way at the back singing >whatever words they know and nodding their heads to the music. >There were the people who through no fault >of their own are moved about in swathes along the general direction >of the croud and are: 1) too tightly packed to move anything other >than their heads or 2) so exhausted they can barely stand: who are >obviously big fans but either newcomers to the band or this is their >first rock concert. >Finally there were people like myself who can't help but get right in >their at the mosh pit and have a fucking good time. I was in the previous catagory in the pit, the first time I moshed, until I realized that the way you move from place to place is through crowdsurfing, and I realized the best place to mosh is two thirds of the way back where all the pits formed. Then, I had a great time. :) >You know it's not that hard to avoid the moshers. All you have to do >is stand a little further back from the stage. By doing this you'll >get a better view of the stage and wont get kicked/ punched... >whatever. I've seen one or two of you complaining about how you want >to stand at the front to see the band or get closer to Chris etc but >can't because of the crowdsurfers, moshers etc. Now I can't >understand why, seeing as most people (I hope) only go to hear the >music. Why should you should be bothered about seeing what hairstyle Chris is >modelling or what colour his socks are? I mean that's just sad. Well, Kim is one of my big influences in guitar playing, so it goes without saying that I'd try to get closer to the stage to see him in person . However, I really don't give a shit about the color of his socks, or his hairstyle (although his beard is kinda cool. I gotta grow me one like that . :) ) >When I joined this list I wasn't interested in the letters about what >Chris did today, when he did the toilet and what he had for dinner. >I wish some of you would jus realise their just normal people with >particularly good talents on their respective instruments. Exactly. This is what I was commenting on earlier. Soundgarden has never lowered themselves to the role of "rock star" or "pop icon." They are simply normal people with an incredible amount of musical talent. >Oh and one last thing. I hope this conversation about moshing ends >soon, it really is bugging the tits off me. It's something you'll >just have to accept. If you don't want to get invlved, piss off and >see sesame street live or something! I dunno. That Sesame Street Live crowd can get pretty rough. I took my little brother there, and Elmo kicked him in the face!!!! :) >Cheers and beers Andrew Clarke > >PS Just out of interest, I don't have long hair and never have, but >I still jump around like a madman at concerts. Is anyone else on >this list a shorthair? I've got short black hair and (believe it or not) sideburns. I am about as non-grunge as a grunge rocker can look... Actually, now that I think about it I'm really not that dissimilar to Ben... Weird, man. Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: Karen Lane Subject: misc. Anyone meeting before the Sunday Chicago show? I am driving up from Cincinnati Saturday but only have tickets for Sunday. Also, heard Chris is on the cover of the December Details magazine. Haven't seen it yet. Has anyone? Good article? Let me know, Karen ------------------------------ From: shawn.carlyle@anthro.utah.edu (Shawn W. Carlyle) Subject: Live IN SLC Just thought I'd drop the list a quick note on what they might expect when SG comes to their town--they opened the tour here in SLC a couple of nights ago. Here is the set list (in correct order): Dazed and Confused (first few chords only) Spoonman Searching With My Good Eye Closed Drown Me Pretty Noose Burden In My Hand My Wave Ty Cobb Fell On Black Days Helter Skelter>Bootcamp Rusty Cage Black Hole Sun (Chris Only) Outshined Dusty Blow Up the Outside World * I have no idea Slaves and Bulldozers Encore: Jesus Christ Pose Time: 100min A couple of quick comments. Chris looks *suspiciously* skinny, but his voice is in great shape--about the best Ive heard it. The new stuff came off rather well, with Ty Cobb being the crowd favorite. The seque from "Helter Skelter" to Bootcamp was a pretty cool psychedelic jam, and bootcamp itself I thought worked very well. I wasnt really expecting to hear it. Pretty Noose (IMO) came off stunning live--this song was made to play live and it totally rocks--I think someday it'll be strong enough for the opener. The whole band was smiling and seemed to be in good spirits, Chris shared his beer with the "moshers", and kim shared a cigarette (at least I think it was tobacco). The usual Utah jokes were made ( a SG tradition here), and chris even fucked with some poor souls who threw up a demo tape of their band. Kim, ben, and matt, as usual said absolutely nothing at all. The mosh pit was fairly subdued since everyone was packed in so tightly, although true mosh pits did break out occasionally, most up front seemed content to just "jump" in place, when they werent being nearly pushed over by the weight of people. There was a lot of surfing--as usual SG seemed to ignore it totally. The opening, with someone playing the first few riffs of "dazed and confused" immediately sent the crowd into a frenzy which never relented. The guitars could be heard very clearly, but the vocals at times were muddy and low--but not bad at all. Both opening bands (Tenderloin and Rocket From the Crypt) got booed off the stage as they finished their respective sets... ------------------------------ From: BIDOLS@aol.com Subject: Re: chris voice, Moshing Hello everyone, I've been on this list about 3 weeks now and this is my first entry. I'm writing in response to the survey of Chris' voice. I don't think you can say which voice is better. His vocal range is amazing and I like it both ways. There are many songs that I love with his low voice like "Seasons" from Singles Sndtrk, "Fell on Black Days," "Searching With My Good Eye Closed," "Uncovered," etc. But there are also awesome songs where he uses that powerful shrieking voice like JCP, "SuperUnknown," "Hands All Over" etc. I was able to see SG on the BMF tour in Philadelphia. It was at The Trocadero, a VERY small venue on Arch street in Philly. They played there with Monster Magnet and Swervedriver. The entire place was a mosh pit as you can imagine a small venue would be. If You didn't want to mosh, You prcatically had to leave the building. Anyway, everyone looked out for each other, if a person fell down a big hole cleared around the person and someone went to pick the fallen person up. Even though everyone went to great care to help people out, I still am leary about entering pits, but if I have to I will. Needless to say, that show was the best I had ever seen. I also saw them when they opened for GNR at the Spectrum. The show wasn't nearly as good as the Troc show. The smaller venue was definitly the better of the two. Anybody know where i can get a copy of the SOMMS disc w/o paying small fortune? BIDOLS ------------------------------ From: jbellace@cosi.stockton.edu (John Bellace, Jr.) Subject: Moshing Arguments... Look, no one on this list knows me. So, if I am stepping out of line here by criticizing what I've read on the list, and you feel the need to flame me, go ahead. As far as this moshing arguments, does anyone on here listen to the other's side? I can tell that many people have decided that all moshers are "mindless", "animals" (I seem to remember a "Go to the zoo" comment...), etc. Everyone in support of moshing has decided that everyone else is "a pussy", "wimpy", etc. DO YOU HAVE ANY INTELLIGENT ARGUMENTS ON THE SUBJECT OR DO YOU JUST CALL EACH OTHER NAMES ALL DAY??? I happen to enjoy moshing somewhat, and I don't appreciate someone who doesn't know me labelling me as "an animal" or "mindless". On the other hand, I hate people who go to shows simply to mosh to hurt someone, and I don't think that makes me "a pussy". NO ONE has addressed that as in all things in life, it is the assholes who ruin moshing for everyone. There are unwritten rules to it, such as don't force anyone into the pit, help everyone out of the pit or off the floor, and... oh yeah.. DON'T TRY TO HURT ANYONE!! I TOTALLY understand why people feel both for and against moshing, and I don't think it's too much of a stretch for anyone else to either. Yet, all I read on the subject is people spouting generalized bullshit at each other. Some people will never understand football or weight lifting just like some will never understand poetry or painting. It doesn't make either one a less viable form of expression. Moshing done correctly isn't trying to hurt anybody at all. Yes, it is a sad fact that it usually isn't done correctly anymore. But, please don't generalize that ALL of us who enjoy moshing a little are "animals." AND, all you moshers, show some fucking respect and don't say anyone is a pussy who doesn't want to do what you do. Try listening to each other for a change and you might learn something about what you are discussing. I am TRULY sorry if I have offended anyone, and if you feel the need to flame me, fire away. This is just how I feel. -J- ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Chicago Somms Fest Hey everybody, I'm leaving for Chicago in about 10 minutes, whooo hooo! I have to warn all of you though, Seth is feeling the ever so powerful need to unleash that unsubbing axe, so behave yourself, or you could find your subscription to the list rolling down the floor like a severed head. Okay, you have had fair warning, so don't come crying to me if you get the axe. If anything eventful happens at the shows, I'll keep you all posted. Out of his fucking mind, Aaron ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Re: Caryn's advice on meeting celebrities > and yes, i spoke with matt, but i did something very different > than the rest of the group: i wasn't camped out at the front gawking, i > approached him directly and politely, *GAVE* him something (not just taking, > giving), had a short conversation, thanked him for his time... and then i > *LEFT*. backed away. guys... did you REALLY think that matt wanted to hang > out with us? c'mon. really. yeah, maybe in chicago they do. but here in > seattle? he wanted to hang out with his friends, with the grrl in the > mermaid costume that showed up (were chris andrea and I the only one to take > that hint????). not a bunch of fans. Uh, what was the term you used for me? elitist? (a term I still don't understand why I deserve - please enlighten me). And shroom still sticks up for you after this. What loyalty. Oh and yeah, they definitely want to hang with us in Chicago. Didn't you hear - they've reserved a whole floor of rooms at their hotel and we're all spending the night with them! Get real. I don't think anyone on this list really believes that by meeting the guys they will become lifelong friends. But then, you are the expert. Kathie ------------------------------ From: "Peter Castles" Subject: re:Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 8 Nov 1996 I'm trying to get the Hater CD; I have ordered from a mail-order company on the web, but they were out of stock and have it back-ordered, so I don't know if they'll be able to get it. Any suggestions? I'm in San Francisco. ------------------------------ From: "Mark" Subject: SG songwriting Blind Dog wrote "he (Chris) is simply one of the most accomplished and talented lyricists of our time (imho)." imho also. It's very rare to find a modern songwriter who writes such intelligent lyrics. They show that he has actually read a few books, and assumes that we the listeners have as well. Most rock/grunge(?) songwriters do not use words as well as Chris does, or have the vocabulary - I've never heard the words "reverie" or "indignance" in a song before listening to SG. Has the Indian or Eastern influence in some SG songs, (Half, and the beginning of Mind Riot, for example), ever been discussed? Have any of the bandmembers been to India or the area? I would be happy to discuss influences for any SG material. Maybe this could be a "new thread"? I dream to dream, and I try to try Cathey ------------------------------ From: Alba Subject: Re: It WAS a happy day.........Johnny Cash, BiMH.......and cookies... > am i the only one who thinks chris cornell his just a little egotistical? > no really, does he really have to see his name on every page in his album > covers? / bleg..it really annoys me.. haven't you think in the possibility that he hates it.... maybe he doesn't like it.... don't know... Another thing, I read the other day (don't remember who wrote it =( ), about Chris' voice is like milk without cookies... I wonder which cookies the member of SG favor, any suggestions? I know this is kind of stupid, but I was thinking that if Shroom knew wich are the ones that Chris favors, she would use them to make a tramp.... (hope it doesn't offend you Shroom =) ) Oh, well.... the effects of been in exams.... Alba ------------------------------ From: j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: to all the chicago-bound people have a good time and all.. and tell DeeDee i say howdy and don't forget the little people :) jeremy ------------------------------ From: medbill@iconnect.net Subject: BUTOW Vid Did anyone see Mrs. Togar??? (from the movie Rock-n-Roll High School) It took a few plays to realize that it was her. Caryn, I hate to bring this up again your probably getting tried of hearing about it. I live in the Chicago area and the only reason I'm not going to the show is because of general admission. I have been the the "Brawlroom" in the past, a long time ago..... in 85 to see Metallica and I didn't think that I would get out of there alive. I was much younger then of course, and didn't have a problem with fighting people off. Now I don't have the patience to deal with it. Again I'm sorry to hear what happened and I hope you feel better!!!!! ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Re: SG songwriting Date sent: 8-NOV-1996 13:15:54 >Blind Dog wrote "he (Chris) is simply one of the most accomplished and >talented lyricists of our time (imho)." >imho also. It's very rare to find a modern songwriter who writes such >intelligent lyrics. They show that he has actually read a few books, and >assumes that we the listeners have as well. Most rock/grunge(?) songwriters >do not use words as well as Chris does, or have the vocabulary - I've never >heard the words "reverie" or "indignance" in a song before listening to SG. Yes, I agree wholeheartedly that Chris's lyrics are great. I've been taking a poetry course, and I read some of Chris's lyrics in class. My professor loved it. (I especially love the words to Boot Camp and 4th Of July, as well as Rusty Cage.) However, I think that some fans have put TOO much emphasis on the lyrics. As a songwriter myself, I can tell you that the overall sound is far more important to a musician. The vocals are only one factor into the total sound. > Has the Indian or Eastern influence in some SG songs, (Half, and the >beginning of Mind Riot, for example), ever been discussed? Have any of the >bandmembers been to India or the area? I would be happy to discuss >influences for any SG material. Maybe this could be a "new thread"? Kim Thayil's parents are originally from India, and Kim spent a little time there when he was a kid. However, I don't think that the hindustani influence on Soundgarden's music comes from him. Chris wrote Mind Riot and Ben wrote Half (which may sound like a sitar is being used, but actually is an electric guitar tracked with an acoustic). Kim's main influence sounds more his metal and punk influences that any kind of folk music. Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: Toni M Roark Subject: Re: to all the chicago-bound people IM HERE!!! the country mouse made it to the big city! Yippy!!! Toni is super fantastic...and thank god she isnt an axe murderer so all yall (<---note the correct spelling Jay) that are leaving soon rest easy... details as they happen... DeeDee...the list southernbelle... damn i miss having my .sig file...my mail feels nekked... ] At 12:56 PM 11/8/96 -0500, you wrote: >have a good time and all.. and tell DeeDee i say howdy and don't forget >the little people :) > >jeremy > > ------------------------------ From: bbecker@MECASW.COM Subject: Re: another survey Chris w/long hair = Bad-Ass Chris w/short hair = Evil Either way he is still Chris!!!! How about Bald like BC from SP???? ------------------------------ From: Ajax Jackson Subject: concert review (Salt Lake City) After having had a great time at the Soundgarden concert, here in Salt Lake City, the first stop along their tour, I felt compelled to write this review. I am not a member of your newsgroup, but I was for a short time a little while ago. I didn't have time to read through all of the messages I got, so I had to quit. If you would like to reply or ask questions, send mail to: dbuehner@eng.utah.edu There were two warm-up bands, apparently they were supposed to be pretty good. The first one was Tenderloin, and their lead singer looked like a man who should be on the "before" pictures of fat-farm advertisements. Worse, he took off his shirt and drooled on himself during the concert, which was really disgusting. When he turned around you could see the first inch or so of butt-crack. That pretty much sums them up. They sucked. Next warmup was Rocket From the Crypt, a skaband that was okay, but they needed to adjust some sound levels because you could barely hear the brass, the bass was almost non-existent, and generally they were just not the right match for the aura of the evening. They were pretty good, but the ensuing mosh pits were much too rowdy for my liking, especially since I had to hop around cuz of my stupid ankle. I taped it up and everything, but it just didn't help. When Soundgarden finally began, the crowd went absolutely nuts. The entire building was a mosh pit for the first few songs, then people started getting tired and lighting up. I have never smelled so much weed in my life. I could barely stand it. I acted like I accidentally bumped into someone really close to me that was dragging away just to knock the joint onto the ground, where it would never be recovered. He was all mad, but he was too wasted to do anything besides just yell, and incoherently at that. Soundgarden played for about two hours, and included a great mix of their last three albums. They started with Searching With My Good Eye Closed, went to Spoonman, then Let Me Drown. Overall, the songs included: Badmotorfinger: Rusty Cage, Outshined, Slaves and Bulldozers, JCP (encore), Searching With My Good Eye Closed. Superunknown: Let Me Drown, My Wave, Fell on Black Days, Black Hole Sun (Chris soloed this one), Spoonman. Down On the Upside: Pretty Noose, Dusty, Ty Cobb, Blow Up the Oustide World, Burden in My Hand, An Unkind, Boot Camp. I wish that they had played Drawing Flies, Like Suicide, and No Attention, and they only did one encore, but overall the concert was incredible. The group is making its way over to the east coast, but they are only making 20 stops, so enjoy this concert while you can. I got the impression that they had kind of a bad experience with Lollapalooza because they could only play an hour at a time, so they were ready to explode for this concert. Tears of the feeble Hands of the slaves Skin of the mother Mouths of the babes Building the towers Belongs to the sky When the whole thing Comes crashing down Don't ask me why. ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: Re: Moshing Arguments... At 11:41 AM 11/8/96 EST, you wrote: > Look, no one on this list knows me. So, if I am stepping out of >line here by criticizing what I've read on the list, and you feel the need >to flame me, go ahead. No, J, I don't think anyone will be able to justify flaming you for your post. I thought it was well put, nicely thought out, and you made a few good observations too. On the subject of moshing/crowd surfing....back when this little string got started innocently enough, we WERE trying to discuss intelligently why we were for or against it. Then unfortunately the longer it went on the more people thoght they had to slam people w/ unkind labels. DO YOU HAVE ANY INTELLIGENT >ARGUMENTS ON THE SUBJECT OR DO YOU JUST CALL EACH OTHER NAMES ALL DAY??? Well, as list life goes, sometimes names do get called... NO ONE has addressed that as in all things >in life, it is the assholes who ruin moshing for everyone.There are >unwritten rules to it, such as don't force anyone into the pit, help >everyone out of the pit or off the floor, and... oh yeah.. DON'T TRY TO HURT >ANYONE!! I think J has said it succinctly enough for everyone!! ------------------------------ From: AMMENDOZA@SCUACC.SCU.EDU Subject: another survey here is something else i would like to get opinions on from all of you out there. i was looking at old soundgarden pictures and noticed that chris looked like a bad-ass with long hair. i think he should grow it out long again. what do you guys think. does he look cooler with long or short hair??? anthony ------------------------------ From: AMMENDOZA@SCUACC.SCU.EDU Subject: dec. 5, kaiser convention center in oakland who else out there is going to the oakland concert on dec. 5?? anthony ------------------------------ Subject: Chicago where comes SOMMS Mom!!! From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) Okay in about a half hour I'll be leaving for the airport - we are having storms w/lighting and high winds - damn!! But I just talk to my Stacy and he said I'll be fine - so I'll be fine.. Toni, Dee Dee I'll be seeing ya real soon. Chris, Matt, Ben, Kim take a deep breath SOMMs Mom is coming your way. Jamie (Village Idiot/SOMMs Mom) Damn did you hear that thunder!!!! OH great now there are tornado watch... ------------------------------ From: "mcinturff, dylan" Subject: Ben songs and drum sounds... Someone said Ben wrote three songs on DOTU. He wrote more than that. 1. Zero Chance (music) 2. Dusty (music) 3. Ty Cobb (music) 4. Never Named (music) 5. Switch Opens (music) 6. An Unkind (music and lyrics) There you go. Six great songs. Well, five. Switch Opens is not bad, but it's not great, either. ALSO: Someone mentioned how great the drums sound on BMF. I think they sound like plastic buckets hit with tennis balls. DotU has one of the best drum sounds ever, next to Steve Jordan's sound on the Keith Richards solo records and Dave Abbruzzese's sound on Vitalogy... Dylan ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: PLEASE! Whoa, I'm away at a seminar for 2 days and I come back to find the flame meter going off the scale...again. Come on, peoples, can't we be nice to each other? Am I risking getting in the way of the flames if I address a few things in some of the messages I've seen tossed around? Probably, but as a 3rd party I'm going to go for it... Enough about the Hater show! It was unfortunate what happened, no one can convince me it was DELIBERATE what happened to Caryn, so cool the martyr thing. Yes, the OK has no security; yes, I've been there--Hater in March--and yes, things got nasty when we were up front too. We moved tho. No one was holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to stay up front when things got ugly on Halloween, so these people did not have to stay up there and suffer. When we were there in March, w/ Andrea, as soon as Ben started to get angry, we MOVED. It doesn't make you a better fan to stick it out when danger may be eminent! No one is judging anyone's Sg-worthiness or devotion--the comment Caryn took exception to was legit. Kathie, who wrote it, was only wondering why, if things were such that Caryn had no good to say about Sg or fans or anything, why was she on the list. I wonder that too at times. Sorry, Caryn, you take potshots at enough people and seem so miserable as a Sg fan, one would have to wonder. I can't blame Kathie for being "starry-eyed" about Sg and SM. Frankly, she could have gotten on this list and just blown her horn about the whole walk-thru thing. She made one innocent comment tho, and Caryn raked her over the coals, calling her a number of things and frankly, as this lister sees it, showing her own jealousy. Or is it anger or frustration? I can't quite tell. All I do know is that the name calling is pathetic, as someone on the list (Chris or Krissy?) already pointed out. So, Caryn, as you hinted, what do you know that the rest of us don't? That was such an ugly cut to Kathie, telling her she "doesn't know anything yet" like she's some kid. Geez, come off it, Caryn! Or are you afraid someone might know something you don't know?? You slammed me for even mentioning in passing, fer chrissake, info I get from SM, saying I have an attitude. No, I don't have an attitude--sharing info is an attitude? To me an attitude is how you're coming across the list, as Kathie said, w/ all your negative posts. Who did what to you, Caryn? I really do detect jealousy, b/c you called KAthie's passes or wahtever "precious" and you once ripped on me about my "precious access" (whatever that was about) and that drips of something besides sarcasm, to me anyway. Sorry I'm posting this publicly, but I want to show support for Kathie and also for Kevin's "is this REALLY necessary" post, which I thought was brilliant. If there is any point it's PLEASE this mudslinging crap is annoying, it's getting vulgar which makes no sense b/c we're all fans of the same music. If you want to insult someone, I mean just wipe the floor up w/ them, do it in private. I saw no reason to attack Kathie, I'm risking being the target now--Kath, you're welcome!--and, yeah, I do often try to come across as the peacemaker...and I'm not even a middle child!!! Thanks for bearing with me, but I couldn't leave for the weekend w/out a reaction. USdeb ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: Re: another survey At 11:15 AM 11/8/96 -0800, you wrote: >here is something else i would like to get opinions on from all of you >out there. i was looking at old soundgarden pictures and noticed that >chris looked like a bad-ass with long hair. i think he should grow it >out long again. what do you guys think. does he look cooler with long >or short hair??? >anthony > Oh, yeah, I still miss that long beautiful hair!!!! What a waste, giving hair like that to a man! I've gotten used to the short stuff, but the long is what I prefer!! ------------------------------ From: clmiller@mail.usachoice.net (Chris Miller) Subject: SuperKnowledge OK...so there are others who are interested in the SG b-sides/rarities compilation that was discussed the other day. I E-mailed the person who posted the note. . .but alas, no reply. Please tell me that this wasn't a sadistic joke! Please step forward and identify yourself. Also, I have never been to a show where there has been moshing. But, from an outsiders perspective, let me pose this question. Are you saying that if I pay $40 or more for a ticket, that I am not allowed to get up close to the band unless I want to get the living shit kicked out of me??? What the fuck is that? I don't go out and buy a car so that I can drive on the road and get hit like a fuckin' demolition derby. There's absolutely nothing on my ticket that says "In order to get up front close to the band, you WILL be subjected to a bloody lip, broken ribs, missing teeth, and/or other fractures." I am very sorry, but I don't feel that not wanting to have the living hell kicked out of me is being a wimp or a pussy. . .it's called being intelligent and mature. If you want to beat someone up, do it one on one where it isn't going to ruin anyone else's good time. Maybe I'm just nuts, but from where I come from, one goes to a concert to enjoy the band and have a good time, not to whip the hell out of someone or get crushed by flying body parts. Like I said, I have never been to a mosh pit, but if someone can justify beating someone else up to get their jollies. . .please do so. ------------------------------ From: bbecker@MECASW.COM Subject: CONCERT SURVEY A couple of years ago, I saw sg at the Armory in NYC. And for anyone else who was there in the 108 degree tempreature...your a true fan. Any way, after the sg set was over the guys left the stage and some time passed, when CC picked up a mic and sang Beth by KISS (no music) before coming out for an oncore. Has anyone else noticed that CC does things like this? And what has he done and other shows? Bill. ------------------------------ From: Cynthia Siragusa Subject: Re: SG songwriting Mark wrote: > Has the Indian or Eastern influence in some SG songs, (Half, and the > beginning of Mind Riot, for example), ever been discussed? Have any of the > bandmembers been to India or the area? I would be happy to discuss > influences for any SG material. Maybe this could be a "new thread"? > I've noticed this too. Perhaps Kim's ethnic heritage and upbringing has something to do with this. Cyn ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Re: Ben songs and drum sounds... Date sent: 8-NOV-1996 16:09:30 >Someone said Ben wrote three songs on DOTU. He wrote more than that. >1. Zero Chance (music) >2. Dusty (music) >3. Ty Cobb (music) >4. Never Named (music) >5. Switch Opens (music) >6. An Unkind (music and lyrics) I was the one who said that he wrote three. I can explain... I'm a dumbass. :) J/K. >There you go. Six great songs. Well, five. Switch Opens is not bad, >but it's not great, either. Switch opens would have been a great song, if it wasn't for that vocal part where it goes "Switch is on (switch is on) Switch is on (switch is on) ." That part annoys the hell out of me. >ALSO: >Someone mentioned how great the drums sound on BMF. I think they >sound like plastic buckets hit with tennis balls. DotU has one of >the best drum sounds ever, next to Steve Jordan's sound on the Keith >Richards solo records and Dave Abbruzzese's sound on Vitalogy... I think the way the drums sound is great. They sound very deep. Of course though, I love everything about Badmotorfinger. Soundgarden did such a wonderful job with this album. I wouldn't change a thing. :) Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Re: another survey Date sent: 8-NOV-1996 16:21:03 >here is something else i would like to get opinions on from all of you >out there. i was looking at old soundgarden pictures and noticed that >chris looked like a bad-ass with long hair. i think he should grow it >out long again. what do you guys think. does he look cooler with long >or short hair??? Chris definitely looked better with longer hair. Take a look at the picture of the band on the back of Badmotorfinger. He looks like a fuckin' bad-ass Klingon! Of course, though, he isn't going to grow his hair long again, because it got in the way when he was singing and playing guitar on stage. Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: gwm@starnetinc.com Subject: My luck fails:(...meeting place for Nov. 10? Well my luck has failed and I didn't get tickets to Saturday's show, but I'm still lucky because I'm going to the Sunday show. So...where are we going to meet? Moody's at 4PM like on Saturday? Dave Miller ********************************************* *I like to trade bootlegs. * *Check out my Pearl Jam homepage at: * *http://pwp.starnetinc.com/gwm/pearl.htm * *You can find my bootlist there * *PEARL JAM AND SOUNDGARDEN RULE! * ********************************************* ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: Re: another survey >here is something else i would like to get opinions on from all of you >out there. i was looking at old soundgarden pictures and noticed that >chris looked like a bad-ass with long hair. i think he should grow it >out long again. what do you guys think. does he look cooler with long >or short hair??? >anthony Well, the first time I saw Chris with short hair was the Headbanger's Ball episode with Soundgarden and Riki Rachtman bowling. This, of course, was in 1994 when BMF was released. I was disappointed at first with his new 'do. I was used to seeing him look sexy in "Outshined" with his long tresses! I remember an episode of Beavis and Butt-Head when they were watching this video and Butt-Head says, "Hey, that guy looks like Jesus!" I gradually accepted the new length of his hair, and I like how it looks today--kinda like a spiky afro. I'd rather he not grow his hair back very long, but hey--it's not up to me now, is it? Whether he grows long hair or gains 200 pounds he'll still be one of my favorite vocalists. Also, I think he looks more of a bad-ass with short hair. RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: #18 #18 goes to the keeper of the discography flame, Steven Russell. I'm not going to harangue him for not _already_ having the TotD cd, being that it is readily available and all. Pre-recorded tapes don't count. How many times can you repeat Call Me a Dog...or just my favorite part - "bad luck will follow you, if you keep me on a leash and you DRAG ME ALONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!" - before the fidelity goes south (just an expression, no offense to those in the south of anywhere). Anyway, like I said, I am here to remedy the situation, not to harrass him..."if you can't say something nice, keep your fucking mouth shut (you filthy little bastard)", my mom always said to me.:) Eric ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Pigeonhead From MTV Europe Headbangers Ball Kerrang Hot News 8/11/96 " Soundgarden's Kim Thayil has teamed up with Alice In Chains' Jerry Cantrell to play on the new album from Seattle duo Pigeonhead. The two guitar superstars have collaborated on two songs, MARRY ME and PHUNPUREPHUN, which fans can hear on the second Pigeonhead album, THE FULL SENTENCE, due out through Sub Pop on January 20th." UKDeb ------------------------------ From: Sachin Trivedi Subject: New Chris Article hey there, I was just in a local convenience store reading the rolling Stone Article about Eddie Vedder, when I glanced over and saw that the new Details magazine has Chris Cornell on the cover. After i fifnished the rolling Stone, i picked up the Details and leafed through it. It's a pretty long article with some cool pictures. It's actually an Interview. I didn't have time to read it though. Anyway, just thought you all would like to know. Oh by the way, if anyone has read the Rolling Stone Article about Eddie, did you notice that in one of the pictures of the band, Jeff and Mike are wearing Soundgarden shirts? Pretty cool. Anyway, that's all. Later, Sachin ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: STuFF Andrew Clarke wrote: >Now I can't understand why, seeing as most people (I hope) only go >to hear the music. Why should you should be bothered about seeing >what hairstyle Chris is modelling or what colour his socks are? I mean >that's just sad. In case you aren't aware, kiddo... EVERYONE has different reasons for liking Soundgarden. And alot of us enjoy ALL aspects of the band... not just the music. I mean, why should you bother to shell out big money to just HEAR the band live? If that's all you want, then why not just invest that money in some bootleg CD's? You'd get the same live music... and you could hear it again and again and again. There's *nothing* sad about paying attention to more than the music at shows. >When I joined this list I wasn't interested in the letters about what >Chris did today, when he did the toilet and what he had for dinner. >I wish some of you would jus realise their just normal people with >particularly good talents on their respective instruments. And I wish that you'd realize that we are all different people, respectively. If some of us enjoy lusting after Chris or Ben's sexy body, then you'll just have to live with that. You have a delete key on your computer. When you come across a post you don't wish to read, then DELETE it. (Whoah... deja vu!) >Chris is not a god, okay. Admittedly he's a cool person whom I >wouldn't turn down a chance to meet but get a life some of you! Oh yes, we need to get a life and start doing productive things like writing into mailing lists about things that are none of our business. Great advice, thanks! Alba wrote: >I read the other day (don't remember who wrote it =( ), >about Chris' voice is like milk without cookies... I wonder which >cookies the member of SG favor, any suggestions? I know this is kind >of stupid, but I was thinking that if Shroom knew wich are the ones >that Chris favors, she would use them to make a tramp.... (hope it >doesn't offend you Shroom =) ) Tramp? Ummm... I *think* you meant to write trap... but either way, yeah I'd use it to my advantage!! ;-) Hootchie's prerogative, and stuff. =) Kathie wrote: >And shroom still sticks up for you after this. What loyalty. Kathie, I wasn't *sticking up* for Caryn. I was merely agreeing with her regarding the whole moshing/SG/Hater/responsibility thing. Like I said, I feel that it was uncool of the band not to do anything about the ridiculous things that were going on during their show. As to the whole meeting SG thread... I'm GLAD that you guys are going to see them tomorrow night! I haven't stated ANYTHING negative about it, and most people know how excited I am for you guys. I have no idea of what's going to happen when you do meet them, but I'm really hoping that it's more than five minutes of hello's. Caryn has her opinions about meeting celebrities, and I have mine. She has stated that she thinks that we SOMMSters might have gone about it the wrong way at the Hater show, but I really don't think we did. We *weren't* bugging Ben, nor Matt. Ben was more than pleasant to us, and after he so graciously signed some stuff for us... we left him alone. It wasn't like we were by his side trying to talk to him all night. I quite satisfied with the meeting we had with him, and the fact that we *didn't* bother him. And the same goes for Matt (concerning Dena, Vikki and I, at least). Matt really raked it in that night, didn't he? ;-) A ToTD video from Chris and Caryn... and SOMMS shirts and hats from Dena. You guys should have seen Matt's face when Dena gave him the SOMMS goods. =) He was really happy about it. Wouldn't it be groovy to see him wearing a SOMMS hat or shirt at one of the shows? Christy wrote: >Although, I am just a little bit sad that no one has posted >(except Dena) that they had a great time seeing Hater play. Ummm... excuse me, but I believe I posted that *I* really enjoyed Hater's perfomance, too. >I really disagree with people who believe that the blame falls onto Matt >& Ben to have done something that night. No one is *blaming* them for not doing anything. We're fully aware that it's not their responsibility... it's just disappointing that they couldn't say a few words to the crowd that would have calmed people down a bit. (I know, I know... let the thread die already, Shroom.) I'm TRYING, people. >If your brave enough to venture into their pit, well then better be ready >to face the consquences! We didn't VENTURE into their pit. They started their pit on top of us. >As Chris Cornell would say: "Whataya Scared? WHATAYA SCARED!!!! When Chris said that, he was referring to people trashing the venue they were performing at... not to everyone beating the hell out of one another. >In closing, I'd like to leave you all with my perplexing sarcastic >comment in valley girl fasion>>>>"Like, Oh My God!, why diden't Matt or >Ben, like stop the show or something? Like, don't they even care? Like, >fer surrrre! Like, get real! Uh... yeah. Ok, let me leave everyone with my own "perplexing sarcastic comment in valley girl fashion": Like, most of us don't purposefuly, like, get DRUNK during shows in order to, like, not be bothered by the pit. Like, some of us actually, like, *want* to be sober and not, like, have to worry about a bunch of assholes, like, molesting and, like, hitting us. That "whining" comment was totally uncalled for, Christy. Since when should women (and men) fucking expect and accept the fact that if they want to stand close to the stage during a show, they're going to be beat on and molested?!? Whatever. This has nothing to do with fucking whining. This has to do with human decency. End of fucking story. Shroom ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Kim Thayil equip.feature Hey guitar players dec issue of Guitar has an equipment review featuring Kim,s gear.it is a short article but it is informative.Brain fart,I can n't remember who,is on the cover. Gonzo Jaime Gonzalez Computer Repair Technician Engineering Services Michigan State University 505 Computer Center 353-5266 JGG@pilot.msu.edu FAX:517/3536506 ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: Re: buy the roadside (or the hater record, to be more exact)... << btw, does anyone know if john mcbain ever sang while he was in monster magnet? >> and I qoute " I don't sing." that's what McBain told me when I was asking him about the Wellwater stuff.I guess it would be safe to assume that he didn't sing on MM either. Dena :)~ ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: numbers, symbols, satyagraha and willie the unix boy EMTAE, I'm honored to have recieved this FREE iron lung in appreciation for my 40 years of smoking Camel Non-filter Menthol lights....I'd like to thank Phillip Morris, Jessie Helms, The Tobacco Lobby, Joe Camel and....oh wait, wrong acceptance speach. Thank you Mr. Gardner for politely sending the email to me and to the list....I appreciate the duplicate copy....Where are you from, speakeasy.org? Eric Gardner put fingers to keys and clicketh'd: > > #18 goes to the keeper of the discography flame, Steven > Russell. I'm not going to harangue him for not _already_ > having the TotD cd, being that it is readily available and > all. There is of course a story as to why I never bothered to buy the ToTD CD. > Pre-recorded tapes don't count. Nope, my *old* copy was an original version; sold to a buddy of mine the first day it was released....and given to me when he finally bought the CD. I've been, um too busy collecting other bands...but ToTD has always been on my "to buy" list of tapes/CDs/vinyl that I carry into record stores. I will of course donate my original tape copy to some deserving local :-) I first heard ToTD in a bud's car while we were driving to some party. He compared CC to Paul Rodgers due to CC's range and due to the tempo of the songs. I was just amazed at how much CC's voice had progressed! You can hear CC's transformation into being a vocal god in the ToTD work. Compare his vocal work on LtLove and on Badmofi. There is a huge difference. We both wondered who the fuck Eddie Vedder was and why was he doing background vocals. Intial thoughts, he sucked. Which amazingly enough were my initial thoughts when I first heard _10_. I've always loved the music...but it took forever to finally appreciate Eddie's voice and soapbox tendencies. Can any list member remember saying to someone that ToTD was a combo of Soundgarden and Mother Love Bone members? :-) How many times can > you repeat Call Me a Dog...or just my favorite part - "bad > luck will follow you, if you keep me on a leash and you > DRAG ME ALONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!" - > before the fidelity goes south (just an expression, no offense > to those in the south of anywhere). My favorite line is "But you give me your blues And you whisper my fate But don't give me your saviour" It's a nice sing along song on a sunday morning when I washed my car. Oh did I forget to mention I live across the street from a large church. :-) I just noticed that that quote might relate to recent list happenings. :-) Anyway, like I said, I am > here to remedy the situation, not to harrass him..."if you > can't say something nice, keep your fucking mouth > shut (you filthy little bastard)", my mom always said to me.:) your mom was wise. "No beer, cavaileer, renegade and steering clear...It's a tournament, a tournament of lies" Steve - - waiting patiently for the Hater giveaway :-) ------------------------------ Subject: Makes ya want to spit.... From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) When I say the weather is bad - I mean the weather is BAD!!! Well $20 taxi fare, an hour and a half looking for my luggage, striping down to my tee shirt and genes because I couldn't get through the metal detector (had something to do with the fact that I forgot to take my maze gun out of my pocketbook), 6 hours of standing around in an airport, driving through flooded roads, getting total soaked and guess WHAT???? I STILL IN WASHINGTON, DC!!!! My flight was canceled due to bad weather. Now I have to go through the whole thing again tomorrow.. I have only one thing to say: Chris, Ben, Matt, Kim you had better at lease shake my head I've gone through allot to get to see you..... Remember I'm a very mature lady and deserve a little respect for all my efforts... Jamie (Village Idiot/SOMMs Mom who is really, really trying to get to Chicago) Maybe someone up there doesn't like me - Naaaaaa!!!!! ------------------------------ From: ahorwood@gil.com.au (Alex Horwood) Subject: big dumb sex As a listener to soundgarden for more than a quarter of my life (alright i'm only 16 but thats a minor issue) I have to say that although being a (nonbutch) feminist I have never found big dumb sex to be at all demeaning or detrimental to women. I remember reading an article yonks ago in which Chris, or maybe Kim, don't remember who, was talking about BDS and how Hiro hated the song because he didn't get that it was satirical. Well not satirical, but basically not serious. So Hiro hated it. Yeah. Because he thought that it was slanderous or whatever, but whoever wrote it (can't be bothered finding lyric sheet) was joking. On a personal note, I never really considered the political or ethical nature of the song, I treat it (along with mr bungle's girls of porn) as just a male joke thing and sing along. Its a good song no matter what the lyrics are about. Just a thought. :) The words I say never live up to the ones inside my head... Alex Horwood ------------------------------ From: iawake@ix.netcom.com (Chris (SGardnGrl)) Subject: Details Magazine Cover.. Attention all girls! Run down emmediately to your nearest newstand/bookstore and grab yourself a copy of Decembers *Details Magazine.* It sports an incredibly gorgeous (close up) shot of Mr. Cornell on its cover, and features a very readable solo interview. Run Run Run..... - -Christy ------------------------------ From: Josh_Garza@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Josh Garza) Subject: Re(2): SG songwriting I'm wondering about this too, Half does seem to have a strong influence from maybe Kim's heritage, and also there is one old Soundgarde shirt with an Indian Dancer on it.. where is the influence for the shirt? seems sort of a mystery considering kim hasn't written any of those songs.. it would be cool to see a thread develop on this if anyone has any info. searchin........ - -pencapchew APPL1115@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU writes: ________________________________________________________ > Has the Indian or Eastern influence in some SG songs, (Half, and the >beginning of Mind Riot, for example), ever been discussed? Have any of the >bandmembers been to India or the area? I would be happy to discuss >influences for any SG material. Maybe this could be a "new thread"? Kim Thayil's parents are originally from India, and Kim spent a little time there when he was a kid. However, I don't think that the hindustani influence on Soundgarden's music comes from him. Chris wrote Mind Riot and Ben wrote Half (which may sound like a sitar is being used, but actually is an electric guitar tracked with an acoustic). Kim's main influence sounds more his metal and punk influences that any kind of folk music. - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Josh_Garza@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Josh Garza) Subject: Kim Thayil Guild article jgg@pilot.msu.edu writes: >Hey guitar players > dec issue of Guitar has an equipment review featuring Kim,s >gear.it is a short article but it is informative.Brain fart,I can n't >remember >who,is on the cover. >Gonzo Hm, the December issue of GuitarWorld also has info on Kim's guitars and such.. its the one with marilyn manson on the cover... well i haven't seen the Guitar mag yet but i would have to go with the GWorld because it has a kik ass poster of Kim's Guild S-100. his main guild guitar that he used for recording on the last three albums.. well i think i'll just type up the little article about it here.. cuz it seems pretty interesting without being a guitar player and i just have not happend to put it up on my wall yet.. _________________________________________________ An 18-year-old Kim Thayil bought his first GUild S-100 at a Chicago music store in 1978, choosing it because it was fairly light and cheap ($250) and clearly a step up from his main axe at the time, an Encore Strat copy. The young guitarist didn't know it, of course, but his relatively casual decision led indirectly to the birth of grunge. " I pretty much developed my style around how that guitar played," Thayil recalls. "It turned out to lend itself really well to detuning, and to play well below the bridge, which became an important part of my sound-I get a ghostly effect by striking the low E down there. " I used that S-100 through the early years of Soundgarden. It survived alot of thrashings, but I finally broke it in 1990 in Denver. I threw it on the ground and the wood around the nut got crushed. Our next stop was Lawrence, Kansas, where we found a luthier and took in my guitar, along with one of Chri's and Jason Everman's bass-they had also gotten smashed in the same week. The guy looked at my nut and said with disgust, 'I can't fix this! What is with you people from Seattle? Last week, I had a band called Nirvana in here with their broken guitars. Don't you people have any respect for you instruments?' We were like, 'Fuck you.' We weren't trying to break guitars, but we played with a lot of passion and energy and anger and joy, and we didn't really worry about it. "But I was seriously bummed out-it was my favorite guitar and I didn't know how to replace it. Then a friend said that he had a gutiar just like it in his closet and I could have it. It was disassembled-a body and a neck and a bag full of hardware-so I took it to Steve's Strings in Seattle where they put it together and painted it white. This is it, and it's been my main guitar ever since." "It was pretty much the only guitar on Badmotorfinger and I used it a lot on the next as well (Superunknown and Down on the Upside). I don't take it on tour anymore, because I want to preserve it, so I use new Guilds. Actually, the S-100 was out of production for a long time. Belive it or not, they put it back in production after a cover story on me in Guitar World (June '93) because they got so many calls asking for it. THey told me that I single-handedly resurrected that guitar, with an assist from Guitar WOrld. Now that's a weird thought." By Alan Paul GuitarWorld December 1996 - -pencapchew - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: "Jack Parsons" Subject: reach down...wow. Hey List, Just thought I'd share my fav vocals a la Chris. Personally, I've really noticed Chris' vocals on 'Reach Down' lately. Can you recall for me, the part after the really LONG solo when Chris starts screaming back-up vocals. The second time he screams, "AND PICK THE CROWD UP......OH, YEAH!!" is simply knee-weakening. Don't you agree?? Also, the beginning scream to 'Room aTYW' and definitely 'Beyond the Wheel.' Bone shaking...simply bone shaking... Jonathan "I've got all my reasons not to feel." "Make no mistakes, I am what you make me." ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Re: another survey Date sent: 8-NOV-1996 23:45:47 >>here is something else i would like to get opinions on from all of you >>out there. i was looking at old soundgarden pictures and noticed that >>chris looked like a bad-ass with long hair. i think he should grow it >>out long again. what do you guys think. does he look cooler with long >>or short hair??? >>anthony > >Well, the first time I saw Chris with short hair was the Headbanger's Ball >episode with Soundgarden and Riki Rachtman bowling. This, of course, was >in 1994 when BMF was released. Badmotorfinger was released in 1991. SuperUnknown was released in 1994. Maybe that headbanger's ball was promoting SU? > I was disappointed at first with his new >'do. I was used to seeing him look sexy in "Outshined" with his long >tresses! I remember an episode of Beavis and Butt-Head when they were >watching this video and Butt-Head says, "Hey, that guy looks like Jesus!" Huh huh huh huh huh. You said "Butt." :) No really, I've always thought that Kim looks a lot like Jesus. At least, that's the way I picture Christ, anyway. >I gradually accepted the new length of his hair, and I like how it looks >today--kinda like a spiky afro. I'd rather he not grow his hair back very >long, but hey--it's not up to me now, is it? Whether he grows long hair or >gains 200 pounds he'll still be one of my favorite vocalists. Right on, right on. :) Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: Gene Candelaria Subject: Del Mar SG SOMMSfest People interested in a gathering of SOMMS at the Nov 30 Del Mar (San Diego) show, lets get together and decide where to meet. In or outside the gate (or both)? One person suggested, "We can all meet up in the parking lot! And get primed for the show." Sounds good. Email me , those who want, and I'll get a tally going. As of now, at least eight SOMMSettes and SOMMSters plan on meeting up (from La Puente to San Diego and points in between). I *know* there's at least two more of us out there. Probably alot more. Hope to hear from you all. later... - -- ----- \___/ ----- ; > Gene Candelaria I know that I know nothing - SOCRATES ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Re: shows Date sent: 8-NOV-1996 23:55:35 Hi, Alex, nicve to meet you. :) Before I respond to your message, I was wondering if you could solve an argument between me and my brother (the singer in my band). He told me that there was a 4:1 ratio of women to men in Australia. Is this true? >I am an Aussie, and I have the really bad timing of going to the USA on >student exchange in the middle of January, so I just miss the Australian Big >Day Out, but I will have missed the american dotu tours... Shit. That sucks, man. A friend of mine from New Zealand came to visit in January once. It was quite a shock for her to go from 100 degrees F one day to -20 F the next. >yes i am seriously considering backing out of it, but as a saving feature, do >sg tour much within the usa? ie are they likely to be playing shows during >1997 sometime someplace other than seattle? ie New Mexico... Soundgarden doesn't seem to tour much at all. They don't come anywhere NEAR where I live (Plattsburgh, NY). Maybe they do tour a lot, but just on the west coast... I dunno. >Also, is New Mexico considered large, eg will bands that tour go there? or >Lollapalooza? Just wondering... There isn't a very big population in New Mexico, so they might only hit one or two places there. Lollapalooza goes everywhere (except for Plattsburgh, of course. :( ) Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: ahorwood@gil.com.au (Alex Horwood) Subject: shows I am an Aussie, and I have the really bad timing of going to the USA on student exchange in the middle of January, so I just miss the Australian Big Day Out, but I will have missed the american dotu tours... yes i am seriously considering backing out of it, but as a saving feature, do sg tour much within the usa? ie are they likely to be playing shows during 1997 sometime someplace other than seattle? ie New Mexico... Also, is New Mexico considered large, eg will bands that tour go there? or Lollapalooza? Just wondering... Alex Horwood ------------------------------ From: ahorwood@gil.com.au (Alex Horwood) Subject: Re: Kim Thayil Guild article ...An 18-year-old Kim Thayil bought his first GUild S-100 at a Chicago music >store in 1978, choosing it because it was fairly light and cheap ($250) and >clearly a step up from his main axe at the time, an Encore Strat copy. The >young guitarist didn't know it, of course, but his relatively casual decision >led indirectly to the birth of grunge. WOW!!! Kim only started playing guitar when he was 18??? THERE IS HOPE FOR US ALL!!! he is basically my most respected guitar player who is still playing...I am 16 years old and until I read this I was depressed about not being a fantastic guitar player...I have been playing for nearly 2 years and although I have nirvana and the beatles down pat, i still can't play anything by soundgarden, or heaps of other stuff. I have been despairing that by the time I actually get decent at playing the bloody thing, I will b 2 old 2 b in a proper band! But if Kim only started when he was 18, that would be hhmmm about 10 years ago now? then there is still hope! I can still be the best underground guitarist in the world... Who knows, maybe I'll indirectly give birth to a whole new *fantastic* style of music too : D Dreamingly yours... Alex Horwood ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 299] ****************************************