From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 8 Nov 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 01:20:50 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Friday, 8 Nov 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: BLOW DOWN THE INSIDE PLANET Re: lets take a survey Is Ben an Asshole? RE: Alive in the Superunknown concerts in Russia thread jumping Re: concerts in Russia Re: TV ad RE: Moshing Re: you wimps..get out of the pit Re: BIG WIMPS stand back for your own safety tape Re: ok wimp stand back! Re: the real other side of the moshing coin re: MOSHING Ben, Hater, SG & PJ... Re: lets take a survey More on moshing... Re: the real other side of the moshing coin Re: every one likes a fight! Alive in the SU CD-Rom Re: up all night at kevin's... Re: the real other side of the moshing coin RE: Ben, Hater, SG & PJ... Re: the real other side of the moshing coin Hater An observation. RE: Ben, Hater, SG & PJ... Ben's guitar Re: the real other side of the moshing coin Re: An observation. Re: your mail RE: Moshing Re: the real other side of the moshing coin Re: the real other side of the moshing coin get yrself controlled... Hype! THE VOICE OF THE GOD Re: It WAS a happy day.........Johnny Cash, BiMH.......... Re: An observation. Re: An observation. singles and b-sides and rarities and other zippy things Re: It WAS a happy day.........Johnny Cash, BiMH.......... STOP THE FLAMES!!! Re: Alive in the Superunknown I think I need to buy some Rogaine!!!! Re: It WAS a happy day.........Johnny Cash, BiMH.......... Re: It WAS a happy day.........Johnny Cash, BiMH.......... Opening bands... Re: lets take a survey Re: singles and b-sides and rarities and other zippy things I've blown it! question about SG in San Diego? it's just sad Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 7 Nov 1996 Internet Message Thanks Dena,Superunknown,Rusty cage meeting SG Seattle show Hater Report on KISW. ...and out your mother Re: Hater show DIO says... RE: Ben's guitar buy the roadside (or the hater record, to be more exact)... what it takes to step through... More on the KISW report between your house and home (sorry, that is *so* bad)... re: what it takes to step through... Re: ...and out your mother Re: buy the roadside (or the hater record, to be more exact)... Soundgarden in NZ!!!! Re: ultimate sg setlist common ground Re: meeting SG Re: Internet Message ultimate sg setlist ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "stella" Subject: Re: BLOW DOWN THE INSIDE PLANET > To: somms@MIT.EDU > From: The Guitarist-2001 > Subject: Re: BLOW DOWN THE INSIDE PLANET > Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 07:11:50 +0000 > I doubt this, at least that it's from Chris, since that other guy (from the > Ramones was it?) generally "created" the video (you know what I mean) . . . > not Chris . . . unless the other guy was sending the "Fuck You" . . . folks > that have seen "The Clockwork Orange," was the guy in this position in that? > It was the guy from Devo that directed the video, Gerry Casale. And in the movie, the main character was sitting in a chair in a movie theater and plus he was wearing a straight(?) jacket. No Jesus Christ Pose to be had. stella - --- srogers@fix.net http://www.fix.net/~srogers http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1534 "Not only is life a bitch, but its always having puppies" ------------------------------ Subject: Re: lets take a survey From: soundgrdn3@juno.com (M R) Oh...definitely "Limo Wreck"...and also that "How would I know that this could be my fate" part in "FoBD" and then "No more rides for free" in "Slaves and Bulldozers". Yeah. He has an amazing voice. Really. >Ahhhh, yes, Mel, that is one of my absolute favorite parts of ToTD, >in fact I think the CD is worn out on that spot from playing that word >over and over and over....Actually, I think the vocals on ToTD are >some of Chris' best ever. And as much as I am in total awe of his >high pitched "screams", there is nothing to me like his deep stuff, >i.e. the beginning of LIMO WRECK makes me particularly breathless. >"don' t ask me why..." > >trying to stay calm in Ohio, >Eliza >LEAVING THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW! > ------------------------------ From: Michael Groark Subject: Is Ben an Asshole? I think that Ben is the oddest member of SG. I met him at Lolla.(Both years) and he is full of mood swings. I was talking to Jeff Ament at this years Lolla in NYC and I asked Jeff about Ben. I said," He always seems to be pissed off on stage." Jeff laughed and said that that is just Ben on stage. So I don't think he is an asshole, I just think he's funny. Spitting at the crowd and just being a miserable bastard on stage. So next time when Ben spits on you or mouths "Fuck you" at you, just laugh because he really is funny to watch.--Except of course if he is kicking fans in the face(BTW hope whoever it was feels better). Mike ------------------------------ From: Valahovic Subject: RE: Alive in the Superunknown From: Stephanie Valahovic Yeah it's a real nice CD+, however there are a few things you need to take into account before you buy it. Not that you shouldn't, but... I don't know how it works on mac, so if you have a mac I'd ask if anyone has had problems using it with mac. I do have Win-95, but when I first purchased it, I was using Win-3.1, and the CD drive I was using at the time was a 2x panasonic 563, I've upgraded to a creative lab 8x. The problem with the CD+ (actually it's called CD-extra) is that the recommended requirements are not entirely true. You need to be running Win-95 with a CD+ compatible CD drive. Win-3.1 will only work if you are running a CD drive as a external drive, SCSI. The drivers that are offered on the Corel Disk are only for external SCSI, ATAPI, devices. However if you have Win-95 you only have to worry whether your CD Drive is CD+ compatible, mainly because Win-95 has a driver that will reconize CD+. As far as Win-3.1 is concerned, Microsoft has no intention of writing a CD+ driver for it, they considers Win-3.1 a done deal, and are not writing any more drivers for it period. If you have any doubt about whether you will be able to use the CD+ format, eventually you will have to upgrade to 95 and buy a new CD drive, so I'd get it anyway. I hope you don't have any of the problems I've mentioned above so you can go out, buy it, take it home, and enjoy it. CAMPBELLCG@bvu.edu Wrote: > > Does anyone have the CD-ROM, Alive in the Superunknown? I've seen > it at a music shop, but didn't have the cash at the time. So I was > wondering what it is like. It looked pretty cool though. > biff ------------------------------ From: "R.A.Yakupov" Subject: concerts in Russia Hi , everybody ! It's my first message so let me introduce myself . My name is Renat and I'm studying at Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology .Only recently I've become fan of SG ( I've heard Superunknown and understood that I love SoundGarden ) . I don't know a lot about SG , its members and so on , but I love SG nevertheless. Because I'm from Russia , I have no real possibilities to attend any concerts . But maybe SG will decide to visit our country someday and maybe someone of you has any information concerning this matter . If so then please e-mail me , and I thank you very much beforehand . Also , as I live not in US , news concerning SG doesn't come to me in time , so inform me on any news and changings in SG . And , you can laugh at it very much , but I dunno what Butow and JCP are . Tell me , anyboby . By . ------------------------------ From: psyche Subject: thread jumping Chris Miller wrote: >I realized that BUTOW single >is being released in ???Australia??? only. What the fock is op with >thot? Nothing against Aussies, but are they perhaps more appreciative >of a clever and innovative band like Soundgarden than we Americans? Actually the BUTOW single is going to be released in the UK (box set like before) and in Germany as well. I *do not* know anything about the German single, except for the fact, that there are 3 additional tracks on it. and Anthony asked: >i was just wondering which voice you people out there >preferred. I, like so many others on this list, like both voices, especially if he uses them in the same song; but I guess if I really, really, really had to choose (ie. if someone put a gun to my head) I'd go for the higher/screaming voice. Noone does it as well as Chris. :) sabrina ------------------------------ From: urbano Subject: Re: concerts in Russia At 03:56 PM 7/11/96 +0300, you wrote: >It's my first message so let me introduce myself . My name is Renat and >I'm studying at Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology . Cool I've never speak with a russian before! (How's your president BTW?) >Because I'm from Russia , I have no real possibilities >to attend any concerts . I think I have less possibilities... I live in Mexico >But maybe SG will decide to visit our country Perhaps.. maybe before Mexico... >Also , as I live not in US , news concerning SG doesn't come to me in >time , so inform me on any news and changings in SG . Read the page... I don't get news either but I learn everything from the unofficial site. (http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/) >And , you can laugh at it very much , but I dunno what Butow and JCP are . >Tell me , anyboby . By . BUTOW stand for Blow Up The Outside World JCP means Jesus Christ Pose das vadanya (or how ever it is written) - urbano ------------------------------ From: urbano Subject: Re: TV ad At 07:49 AM 5/11/96 -0500, toni wrote: >Hey, cold nasty winter weather is coming, >time to start making those offers to have Ben, Chris, Matt and Kim come on >down to sunny Mexico and stay at your place. Thats right! So let's avoid this silly cold of winter! (us in the norther hemisphere :) I got an iDea (actually is toni's) listen Matt: Come down to the beach in sunny Puerto Vallarta, Mexico! You and the others from the band can use my family's house at the beach and all 500+ of us can sleep in hotels :) ... damn... matt's on tour :( .... nevermind. I hate the beach (did I tell you that?) - urbano ------------------------------ From: little sun Subject: RE: Moshing On Thu, 31 Oct 1996 COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu wrote: > > I have a problem with this and a lot of other comments in support of > moshing. If it is a so-called release to the energy of the music, then > why do we see heavy, severe injury causing moshing going on when NO > FUCKING BAND OR LIVE MUSIC IS BEING PLAYED? Is the energy and > adrenaline so high that this must continue NON-STOP between bands? > Tell me why someone should have to go away and sit down where there > isn't even a show to be seen?????? > > I'm totally fed up with moshing and I am a 34 year old female who still > gets crushed but can take it like any man! No one has the right to > tell me to go sit in the back if I can't take getting beat up just to > see my favorite band. Moshers aren't watching *anything*, so I am > suggesting you go mosh in the back (if you must) where you can still > release your energy to the music (if that's what you're calling it) > since it's loud everywhere and leave the front view to those of us who > are there to appreciate the music, the band and the show. > I haven't checked my mail in a while and just logged on to read your message on moshing. I'd just like to say that I agree with you totally. As I 20 year old male, I also find moshing to be stupid and pointless. Going into a "pit" to get beaten up or to get beaten up by others is not my idea of fun and paying up to 20 quid for a ticket just to get bruises, a black eye and missing front tooth isn't what U'd call value for money either. It's just infantile macho bullshit and has nothing to do with musical enjoyment whatsoever. In my mind, there are absoultely no argements that can be raised in favour of this dispicable, sad and annoying trend which has been the bane of Rock music for some time now. If people can't enjoy listentning to a band play live and behave like civilised human beings insted of neanderthal morons, then they should not be allowed to attend concerts. There's a place for mindless animals, it's called the zoo. - -me ------------------------------ From: little sun Subject: Re: you wimps..get out of the pit On Fri, 1 Nov 1996 fopp@naplesnet.com wrote: > didnt chris say "if you cant handle a bloody noze ,then get the hell the > out(of the pit)"? > Why not get the pit out of the gig? That sounds like a better idea, then nobody'd have to worry about "handling a bloody nose". - -me ------------------------------ From: little sun Subject: Re: BIG WIMPS stand back for your own safety On Fri, 1 Nov 1996 fopp@naplesnet.com wrote: > Hey man I didn't mean to get ya all fired up . im just saying that the > front man of our favorite band thinks moshing is an important part of a > SG show . I have noticed over the last 10 years that the fans at SG > shows are alot wimper now ,than from the Ultramega age. and my guess why > that is becouse of the SG direction change(music wise) towards the more > "popy" sound ,geting away from the bone crushing riffs from there first > four albums. and I'm truely sorry that a lot of you can't handle the > front of the show ,in fact I can't handle being close to rail for very > long,but thats just old age for ya. Thank you for your flamebait. I'm sure a lot of people on this list will appreciate being called "wimps" simply because they don't enjoy scrapping whilst attempting to watch their favourite band in concert. Regarding your theory on the progressive "wimpiness" of SG fans compared to the hallowed "Ultramega age". I'd just like to say that your theory is completely nonsensical and stupid, and is probably a direct result of the braincells you've had kicked out of you in the pits. But hey, itsn't that what music's all about, huh? Getting beaten up whilst attempting to watch your favourtie bands? I mean, what is a gig or a concert people aren't having various organs forcefully kicked out of them and if disembodied bloody limbs aren't flying about the arena? Also, if what you say about SG fans getting less able to tolerate the animalistic and hooliganistic behaviour of the pit has something to do with the music, then why (as you say, as its a quote that you've used) is Chris still trying to justify mosh pits in shows? Surely, if the band's music is as "wimpy" and as "poppy" as you say, then he'd be quite against the idea, am I not right? Furthermore, how could anyone with any inkiling of sense (which I think you lack) cite Soundgarden's first album as being the offspring of many a feirce pit when it is in fact, Badmotorfinger, their THIRD album, which is their heaviest? Besides, UMOK isn't exactly a full-on mega thrash album or anything, is it? There's nothing in the music on that album whcih would cause people to be any more "violent" in mosh pits than any of their other music, IMHO as it is not their heaviest. So are you really trying to tell me that in those good ol' UMOK days when the pits were rougher, that other, moronic meatheads with an IQ of -76, just like your good self were ripping each other apart to the sounds of "Flower" and "Beyond The Wheel"? Yeah, I bet they caused some *reallllllllllly* chaotic pits, didn't they? Not even the faster songs on that album such as "Circle of Power" would induce the level of "pit violence" that your original post has hinted at. So what (if anything) is your actual point? So, newer SG stuff is more "poppy" right? Ah yes songs like "Ty Cobb" and "No Attetnion" on DOTU, and "4th of July" or "She Likes Surprises" (all random examples), oh, they're really poppy songs aren't they? Full on, Pop music, right? What an idoit you are!! Not even their more accessible newer stuff like BHS and the like is any more "poppy" (as you call it) than some of their older numbers like "Hands All Over", "Mood For Trouble" or "Fopp". Yes, "Fopp", and I bet you'd have a lot to say about that, as you stike me as one of those anally retentive fools who thinks that pledging allegieance to a band means to only like their first two albums from the days when they had as much fans as band members as well as calling all ther new stuff "shit" or "commercial". People like you are *soooooo* predictable. You're all so scared to admit you like something which doesn't complement your ideals of what makes a proper fan. Anyway, I've spent more time on you that you're worth, so I'm going to wind down now. So, to close, all I can say is take your macho bullshit and your ignorant anally-retentive, narrow-minded ideals about a band you have a cheek to call your favourite band after slagging of a good two-thirds of their music elsewhere. Just because people don't want to be hurt whilst trying to watch a band they like play live, it doesn't make them "wimps", and just because a band chooses to experiment and not make the same album over and over again for the likes of narrow-minded fools like you who are unable to appreciate anything they don't understand, it doesn't make their sound "poppy". If you want to fight, because you're a sad, repressed, proverbial angry-young-man and a sorry social afterbirth then take your "ever-so-hard" and "ever-so-manly" scrappings to a back alley somewhere. > > fopp Indeed you are. > oh ya the reason the pit is up front is becouse it would be a long stage > dive if it were in the back. If people had any sense, they'd move out of the way when people like you started diving on top of them. You're not so hard with your head smeared all over a cold concrete floor now, are you? Thought not... - -me ------------------------------ From: kjm@mtool.com (Karen Monoker) Subject: tape A week or so ago, someone on this list mentioned making a tape/tapes of all the b-sides of SG releases etc.... I cannot find that digest right now and want to know if you have already began taking names of people who want them. I want one and will pay whatever the cost is :) I am getting psyched for the Nov 20th Patriot Center show!! LK ------------------------------ From: little sun Subject: Re: ok wimp stand back! On Sat, 2 Nov 1996 fopp@naplesnet.com wrote: > first off, I have a masters in music history and last time I checked that means I > spent five years at FSU so I guess that means I'm pretty ignorant. It doesn't matter how many qualififcations you have. If you talk the way you do, then yean, you're ignorant. > secondly, I'm turning > fourty this year,and that would make me probally one of the oldest people on this > list. I don't know about anyone on this list, but I find that *very* hard to believe. But if it is true (and it might be), then what an ignorant old fool you are. > and now that I've discredited your unwarrantable attacks(a sure sign of the highest > level of maturity on your part) I'd like to mention that you have made an ass of your > self by bitching and moaning about moshing when you watch football and surely you would > say that they are not the same .well they are, just a bunch of meatheads haveing > fun?right? A "football" (as in American Football) game has absolutely nothing in common with going to a gig whatsoever. In a game, it is the *intent* of the players to hurt each other (or whatever) as its part of the game and its rules. There are no rules for gigs, however which state that soemone must have the crap kicked out of them in order to have a good time at a show. So again, what's your point, Mr. Forty year old music degree graduate? - -me ------------------------------ From: little sun Subject: Re: the real other side of the moshing coin On Sat, 2 Nov 1996, Jack Parsons wrote: > >I was sitting on the edge of the stage, badly shaken up, bruised > >and crying -- and no one on that stage gave a damn. no one. > > I can't believe this, I don't know about the rest of the list, but Ben > USED TO BE my fav member. I mean Soundgarden has easily become > my favorite band, but I am so shocked at this I am speechless. They > should have cared what was going on. And the fact that Ben owns the > club makes it that much worse. Caryn's account doesn't surprise me, actually, as in a SG interview I once read, Ben clearly stated how he couldn't give a shit about fans (especially if they were female) and used to kick and spit at any female fans showing any appreciateion of Chris Cornell ( a sign of jealously 'cos women don't fancy him so much, prehaps? Hmmm....). So it could be said that Benny boy has a modicum of respect (if that) for female fans. Oh well, perhaps his luck will change one day... - -me ------------------------------ From: little sun Subject: re: MOSHING On Sun, 3 Nov 1996, mcinturff, dylan wrote: > A lot of guys don't like moshing either. I sure don't. I expressed > this early on. Neither do I. Moshing is for people with no brains. Figures. - -me ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Ben, Hater, SG & PJ... Jamie C, who obviously doesn't know how to let things go, babbled: >Apparently, "I'm too much of a coward" to fight with Caryn on the list. Who in the hell ever said that? You're the one who drags private conversations into the public eye with no good reason. You're not a coward... you're a moron. =) There... now do you feel better? >This comes on the heels of me being verbally abused by my good friend >shroom for taking our little love-fest onto this fine mailing list. Good friend? Ha! Not even in your wildest wet dreams, little boy. Can't let go of the past, can you? You fucked up, and now you're bitter about it. Grow up, already. >But I'm not here to argue.......I'm here to talk to all you kindred >spirits! >Yes, that's right, my new name is "new-leaf" Jamie C. Bad choice of a name. I could think of a couple others that would be more appropriate. >Here's my sg content: >If i were in a band like soundgarden and I had a bunch of wacked-out >psycho fans like some people out there (hey! i'm not naming names!), >then i wouldn't go out of my way to worry about them at shows. In fact, >i'd lay the boots to their lame-ass heads, too. (but that would never >happen, right?) First off... people like you NEVER end up anywhere important, so that's one less thing we have to worry about. Secondly, Ben didn't nail Caryn on purpose... he just wasn't acting as responsibly as he should have been. And by the way people... for everyone who is thinking that Caryn isn't justified in discussing this on the list, or she has no right to feel that she got an unfair treatment at the show... kindly keep in mind that there are PLENTY of sue-happy people out there who wouldn't have even waited until the end of the fucking show to get in touch with their lawyers. I'm sure that Caryn could have taken Ben up the ass for that incident... but she's NOT that kind of person. >for those of you who didn't deduce this earlier: >i have a feeling that ben is an asshole. >he doesn't care about anything or anyone, >especially the people on this list and beyond. Oh, thank you SO much for sharing that with us, Jamie. You know that we all lay awake at nights just YEARNING and pining away for your personal opinions on our lives and anything concerning Soundgarden. We're so VERY glad to have you on this list, also. >so if he beats the shit out of you, it's probably because you annoyed >him, right??? Don't think so, little boy. If Ben had been annoyed with us, I don't think he would have been so gracious as to be quite pleasant to us and sign all our autographs before the show. If Ben *really* didn't want to be bothered with us, I'm sure he would have made that MORE than obvious. In fact, while Dena was talking to John McBain about Wellwater... Ben actually tried to join in the conversation. The guy wasn't annoyed with us. And now as to the whole controversy about Caryn not being as happy with SG because of the Hater incident: Sorry Kathie, but I have to go with Caryn on this one. I know that there was only HALF of SG at the show, and it had very little to actually DO with SG... but that show really opened my eyes to SG shows in general. Well, actually it was that show and hanging out with Caryn & Chris and a couple of their amazing PJ videos. As most people know, I've never been a huge PJ fan (and NEVER a Vedder fan)... but I after really considering the differences between their shows and SG's... I'd have to say that PJ really does care more about their fans than SG. Vedder IS a more conscientious frontman than anyone in SG. How many times have you seen Vedder stop a show, and ask everyone to be more careful with their treatment of one another... and how many times have you seen Chris do it? I, personally, have NEVER heard Chris say anything about it. This disappoints me more than a bit. Don't get me wrong... this has NOTHING to do with the music at all. I still love SG above all others... but for live shows, I'd have to say that PJ has more control and are generally more fun to watch (Chris' sexy body excluded, of course). Last year at the Austin PJ show, I was up front... and even though people were moshing, everyone was very careful of one another. And even though the whole crowd seemed concerned for one another, Vedder STILL made a couple of pleas to everyone to watch out for one another. At the last SG show I saw (not including Lolla), people were getting the hell beat out of them... and not one word from SG. Sure, it's not their responsibility to make sure their fans are safe... but would it really kill them to TRY and make the experience a little more enjoyable for most of us? I don't think so. Shroom "How many times do I have to say that I know that way one day I looked up now I don't want to spend another day looking back 'cause I've learned and it might not make much sense that all I have to say is all I have to say and that is all." ~ Deconstruction "I want to eat you all!!" ~ Pinky (& the Brain) ------------------------------ From: Nancy E Meyers Subject: Re: lets take a survey On Tue, 5 Nov 1996 AMMENDOZA@SCUACC.SCU.EDU wrote: > i was listening to soundgarden the other day, as i usually do, and > really realized for the first time that chris cornell has two different > voices he sings with. there is the deep voice (fell on black days, black > hole sun), and then there is his more high pitched voice (jesus christ pose, > pretty noose). i was just wondering which voice you people out there > preferred. > anthony > I think I prefer his low/deep voice, but I must say my favorite SG songs are when Chris uses both high and low voices in a song, as in the song 4th of July (Which is my favorite song!). He also does this during part of Pretty Noose (the " I dont like what you got me hanging from" lines). Also I think on DOTU Chris does use both (High on Pretty Noose, low on Zero Chance for example), which is one of the reasons I like the CD so much. (Am I the only one who does?)--Nancy ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: More on moshing... Date sent: 7-NOV-1996 11:11:10 First of all, I'd just like to say that I think it's cool that so many people from so many countries are on this list. It is wonderful that we can all discuss our favorite band intelligently. I mentioned in a previous post that the danger that comes from moshing is greatly exaggerated. That is completely true, so all the talk about "people getting hurt" should stop. The actual number of serious injuries is insignificant. Also, I think it should be mentioned that you aren't REQUIRED to mosh at rock concerts. THis is a completely participatory thing. If you feel that you might get hurt, then go sit in a chair, like my friend Adam's gf did at the Live concert I went to. Also, please stop the babyish name calling. Calling someone a "wimp" for not wanting to mosh is just as bad as that person calling you a "neanderthal" because you like to mosh. As individuals, we aren't required to agree with each other. Advocating bans on moshing is just as fascist as trying to force everyone to mosh at concerts. Let's have some tolerance here! (BTW, I'd just like to mention that I will be going to a Weezer concert in Montreal on Nov. 23rd. I don't know if anyone else on the list is from the region, but I thought you might be interested. THere WILL be moshing, which, in my opinion, is good. :) ) Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Re: the real other side of the moshing coin Date sent: 7-NOV-1996 11:19:32 I am going to put aside my own personal dislikes, to respond to this letter fairly. >> >I was sitting on the edge of the stage, badly shaken up, bruised >> >and crying -- and no one on that stage gave a damn. no one. >> >> I can't believe this, I don't know about the rest of the list, but Ben >> USED TO BE my fav member. I mean Soundgarden has easily become >> my favorite band, but I am so shocked at this I am speechless. They >> should have cared what was going on. And the fact that Ben owns the >> club makes it that much worse. > >Caryn's account doesn't surprise me, actually, as in a SG interview I >once read, Ben clearly stated how he couldn't give a shit about fans >(especially if they were female) and used to kick and spit at any female >fans showing any appreciateion of Chris Cornell ( a sign of jealously >'cos women don't fancy him so much, prehaps? Hmmm....). So it could be >said that Benny boy has a modicum of respect (if that) for female fans. >Oh well, perhaps his luck will change one day... The passage from Soundgarden: New Metal Crown reads as: "Chris didn't see the girl last night almost fainting because she almost touched him," Ben Shepherd told Kerrang! "God, it's so silly! I usually kick girls like that or spit on them when I see them pull shit like that." What Ben is commenting on here is the idolization of Chris. All of a sudden, because Soundgarden had a hit record, Chris became this sex symbol, and all the girls swooned over him, like he was a pop star or something. Ben is defending Chris, not being jealous. WHat you need to understand is that Soundgarden had gone from being a part of a music community in Seattle, to being a major-label, partially mainstream rock band (not pop, that's what Whitney Houston is. :) ) What they wanted was the respect of their fans, not worship. What Ben was saying was that he despised the worshipping fly-by-night fans, who didn't know their earlier work and didn't care. He wants the fans to see them as people, not idols. By spitting on and kicking fans, he is expressing his feelings. Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Re: every one likes a fight! Date sent: 7-NOV-1996 11:33:57 >On Sat, 2 Nov 1996 fopp@naplesnet.com wrote: > >> looks like I got under you skin!haha! you people are to easy,only one >> person actually challanged my claims. the rest of you ladies have penis >> on the brain, and how could say I have a small penis? does typeing words >> on a computer some how secretly scan my penis and put it on the web? and >> how the hell would you know what a penis even looks like? I can imagine >> you geting a guy to go to bed with you. seeing that you have just a >> wonderful personality. >> fopp- >> oh yea please disembowel this post and put it...well you what to do. >> >For a fourty year old Gradulate, you really do sound like a fourteen year >old little boy sneaking in and using his Dad's account behind his back... > >-me I find it interesting that you comment like that, considering that you wrote earlier, making for more juvenile comments. Making fun of a guy's penis size on the list? What are you? A big baby? Let's leave all comments like that off the list, please. If you are going to discuss something, keep it to the facts and your opinions, don't insult people. By the way, I have a solution to this whole problem. Fopp can just come over to your house and whip it out. Make sure you hav a ruler... (Just kidding. :) ) Hehehe. Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: Seth Ward Subject: Alive in the SU CD-Rom A bit of sage advice to those considering the CD-Rom...BUY IT!!!!! Consider this: 6 or 7 videos ON DEMAND, interviews, unrealeased live footage, really cool misc. stuff to look at, B-sides for your CD player, and in a stroke of pure fucking genius they threw in a super old version of PONG for your amusement. I'm telling you; it doesn't get cooler than that. Plus it was made very well and usually runs quite smooth. nuff said. A Different Seth BTW: The ENTIRE My Wave video is included, your disk may have a fault or maybe your computer is just being picky (I am certainly not an expert). My version wouldn't play Kickstand Live (video) at first, but now it works fine. I think maybe getting Quick Time 2.5 might have helped out with the CD-Rom's performance, but again, I am NO expert. ------------------------------ From: urbano Subject: Re: up all night at kevin's... At 10:13 AM 7/11/96 +1000, you wrote: > > the third is an alternate to the cover of dotu. perhaps we may >rekindle an old debate and argue about who is who? I wager that the >figures from left to right are: kim, ben, chris (in a rather gumby-ish >jcp) and matt. any takers? The only doubt comes when assigning a personality to the second and fourth shapes, the first is kim, bcause of the long hair, the third is chris I dunno why, perhaps because he looks thinner and I think that I can recognize his face in the three pixels that form it. But I've been awake for two days in a row and I might be seeing things already... My guess... 2nd is Ben (he's standing a very little more seriously) and the fourth is matt. I never imagined that the fire and sparks in the photo were added later... (I'm so stupid at times...) - urbano ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: the real other side of the moshing coin On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, KERAK wrote: > I am going to put aside my own personal dislikes, to respond to this > letter fairly. > > The passage from Soundgarden: New Metal Crown reads as: "Chris didn't > see the girl last night almost fainting because she almost touched him," > Ben Shepherd told Kerrang! "God, it's so silly! I usually kick girls like > that or spit on them when I see them pull shit like that." > > What Ben is commenting on here is the idolization of Chris. All of a > sudden, because Soundgarden had a hit record, Chris became this sex symbol, > and all the girls swooned over him, like he was a pop star or something. > Ben is defending Chris, not being jealous. > WHat you need to understand is that Soundgarden had gone from being a > part of a music community in Seattle, to being a major-label, partially > mainstream rock band (not pop, that's what Whitney Houston is. :) ) What > they wanted was the respect of their fans, not worship. > What Ben was saying was that he despised the worshipping fly-by-night > fans, who didn't know their earlier work and didn't care. He wants the > fans to see them as people, not idols. By spitting on and kicking fans, he > is expressing his feelings. is this or is this not the STUPIDEST thing i have ever heard in your life? how is ben to know what kind of fan i am? I DIDN'T EVEN TALK TO HIM. cyn made a comment last week that telling ppl to get out of the pit or not to go in it or to just put up with it is exactly the kind of stuff they tell rape victims. now you are telling ME that ben kicked ME in the face because he THOUGHT i was a chris-cornell worshipper? he is expressing his FEELINGS? jesus christ, i had a vintage dee dee ramone button in my pocket to give to the guy. oh yeah, that's idolizing him! fuck, i was originally going to give it to mike mc cready a few months back but he didn't show up at the show i thought he'd be at (and that's who it IS going to go to, because mc cready is certainly more of a real punk rocker than ben is ANY DAY). and don't quote that piece of trash book on this list. seth, justin or half a dozen other people on this list could have written a better book with their eyes closed. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: RE: Ben, Hater, SG & PJ... On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Monnica Lewis wrote: > > I hate to interrupt the love-fest you guys, but can we talk about > Soundgarden now? good idea, monica. why don't you start? ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Re: the real other side of the moshing coin Date sent: 7-NOV-1996 12:21:40 Okie, okie, let's clear some stuff up... >On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, KERAK wrote: > >> I am going to put aside my own personal dislikes, to respond to this >> letter fairly. >> >> The passage from Soundgarden: New Metal Crown reads as: "Chris didn't >> see the girl last night almost fainting because she almost touched him," >> Ben Shepherd told Kerrang! "God, it's so silly! I usually kick girls like >> that or spit on them when I see them pull shit like that." >> >> What Ben is commenting on here is the idolization of Chris. All of a >> sudden, because Soundgarden had a hit record, Chris became this sex symbol, >> and all the girls swooned over him, like he was a pop star or something. >> Ben is defending Chris, not being jealous. >> WHat you need to understand is that Soundgarden had gone from being a >> part of a music community in Seattle, to being a major-label, partially >> mainstream rock band (not pop, that's what Whitney Houston is. :) ) What >> they wanted was the respect of their fans, not worship. >> What Ben was saying was that he despised the worshipping fly-by-night >> fans, who didn't know their earlier work and didn't care. He wants the >> fans to see them as people, not idols. By spitting on and kicking fans, he >> is expressing his feelings. > >is this or is this not the STUPIDEST thing i have ever heard in your life? >how is ben to know what kind of fan i am? I DIDN'T EVEN TALK TO HIM. Um, where did this come from? My post wasn't about what happened to you, Caryn. I was responding to a previous post which said that Ben was jealous of Chris's popularity. I didn't mean this as a comment on what happened to you at the Hater concert. >cyn made a comment last week that telling ppl to get out of the pit or not >to go in it or to just put up with it is exactly the kind of stuff they >tell rape victims. now you are telling ME that ben kicked ME in the face >because he THOUGHT i was a chris-cornell worshipper? he is expressing his >FEELINGS? jesus christ, i had a vintage dee dee ramone button in my >pocket to give to the guy. oh yeah, that's idolizing him! fuck, i was >originally going to give it to mike mc cready a few months back but he >didn't show up at the show i thought he'd be at (and that's who it IS >going to go to, because mc cready is certainly more of a real punk rocker >than ben is ANY DAY). Uh... Okay... I thought it was said on this list before that Ben kicked you by accident, when he was going for that guy who chucked shit at him. I distinctly remember saying that I thought it was terrible that you got hit instead. I wasn't making a comment about you at all in that last post. >and don't quote that piece of trash book on this list. seth, justin or >half a dozen other people on this list could have written a better book >with their eyes closed. Yes that book is a piece of crap (what's with calling Soundgarden metal and not grunge? They are as much metal as they are polka.) but I quoted from that book because it quoted an interview with Ben from Kerrang! magazine. Despite the lousy quality of the book, you can't argue against the authenticity of the quote, can you? By the way, I'd just like to mention that the Kim Thayil biography I'm writing (it's currently being researched) is going to be VERY good. Does anyone know if I could get an interview with Kim sometime? Even if I didn't get much info, it would rock because he is the reason I first picked up the guitar. I'd love to jam with him someday. I hope this post clears a few things up. Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: Hater Greetings. I was going to buy the Hater CD today but now that some of y'all have said that Brian Wood's vocals aren't exactly *great* I am rethinking my decision. What do you guys think? Is it worth buying? Also, when did Brian Wood leave the band? Is this a recent incident? Does this mean that Ben is now the lead singer of Hater fulltime? I wonder who will do the vocals on their next album. When is the new Hater album coming out? What is the deal with the Wellwater Conspiracy side project? Is anything coming out of it? Can I ask anymore insane questions? - -Vincent ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: An observation. Date sent: 7-NOV-1996 12:37:22 You know, it IS true that the guys in Soundgarden had chicks hanging all over them, even before their mainstream breakthrough. The reason Chris is the main focus of the album cover of Screaming Life is because Sub Pop knew women would love it. This is what I call the "You are a musician so chicks flock to you" syndrome. It happens to almost all bands with talent. In fact, it's happened to my band. My brother and I were practicing in his dorm room two nights ago (okay, okay, we were playing some Collective Soul songs. Don't hurt me! :) ) and when I opened to door to leave, there was a group of girls who were waiting for us in the hall. Is that strange or what? It works out for me though. :) Hehehe. I'm pretty sure that Chris doesn't appreciate it as much, though, considering he's married and is bombarded all the time. Still, it would be fun to be him for a day... :) Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: Monnica Lewis Subject: RE: Ben, Hater, SG & PJ... I hate to interrupt the love-fest you guys, but can we talk about Soundgarden now? ---------- From: ShRooMGrLz To: SOMMS Subject: Ben, Hater, SG & PJ... Date: Thursday, November 07, 1996 10:46AM Jamie C, who obviously doesn't know how to let things go, babbled: >Apparently, "I'm too much of a coward" to fight with Caryn on the list. Who in the hell ever said that? You're the one who drags private conversations into the public eye with no good reason. You're not a coward... you're a moron. =) There... now do you feel better? >This comes on the heels of me being verbally abused by my good friend >shroom for taking our little love-fest onto this fine mailing list. Good friend? Ha! Not even in your wildest wet dreams, little boy. Can't let go of the past, can you? You fucked up, and now you're bitter about it. Grow up, already. ------------------------------ From: "Jen Kern" Subject: Ben's guitar Hello! Just wanted to say that our wonderful List-Thug was correct. I just got back my pictures from the Hater show (I am sending copies to Seth for the page) and Ben is playing a white Fender Jaguar. **Shroom--I am happy to note that in one picture Ben's ripped shirt has fallen off his shoulder--revealing his chest that you were admiring so much on Halloween!!!! (He is a STUD!!) Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get any of Matt---he remained pretty well hidden behind his drums from where I was standing. JEN **Lance---I'm waiting for your concert review!!!!** And thanks to Lance I am also now a proud owner of SOMMS!!!!! ------------------------------ From: Monnica Lewis Subject: Re: the real other side of the moshing coin No no. Chris was hot lonnnggg before SG got mainstream acceptance. (at least imho). :-) ---------- From: KERAK To: ags3 Cc: SOMMS Subject: Re: the real other side of the moshing coin Date: Thursday, November 07, 1996 11:32AM Date sent: 7-NOV-1996 11:19:32 What Ben is commenting on here is the idolization of Chris. All of a sudden, because Soundgarden had a hit record, Chris became this sex symbol, and all the girls swooned over him, like he was a pop star or something. Ben is defending Chris, not being jealous. Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: "Kazam Ali" >From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) >Subject: Re: lets take a survey >>i was listening to soundgarden the other day, as i usually do, and >>really realized for the first time that chris cornell has two different >>voices he sings with. there is the deep voice (fell on black days, black >>hole sun), and then there is his more high pitched voice (jesus christ pose, >>pretty noose). i was just wondering which voice you people out there >>preferred. >>anthony >Chris is one of my favorite vocalists of all time. I would have to say >that I like both of his voices. His "lower" voice is probably best used on >acoustic numbers like "Seasons" and the acoustic version of "Like Suicide". >When he gets high pitched on songs like "Overfloater", "Mailman", and >"Jesus Christ Pose", I can just FEEL it. It's not a feeling I can describe >with words. Most of the SOMMSters must know what I'm talking about. >Sorry, but I can't say I like one more than the other. Chris Cornell >without one of his types of voices is like cookies without milk. I would definitely have to agree here. The whole reason why I started listening to Soundgarden was because of Chris' unimaginable vocal range. All the way from Birth Ritual screams to low Like Suicide grumbles. I think what really grabs me are the songs that dub BOTH voices over each other like 4th of July, Karaoke, Let Me Drown, and Pretty Noose. This guy makes me so jealous because I would kill for a voice like his!! I can barely get through one song before I lose my voice!! Anyone in the same boat? Kazam ------------------------------ From: Christopher Corning Subject: Re: An observation. I think that what you had to say had a pretty good point to it. I would love to have chicks hanging around all day just because i could play music (which i can't), but i am sure that would get old pretty quick. Does anyone out there think that the song applebite fucking rocks? i love that song!! later... ------------------------------ From: Dan Chalich Subject: Re: your mail I think he sounds cooler in songs like Dusty and Burden. ------------------------------ From: Dan Chalich Subject: RE: Moshing If you're a 34 year old woman and still moshing, you're pretty cool On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, little sun wrote: > On Thu, 31 Oct 1996 COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu wrote: > > > > > I have a problem with this and a lot of other comments in support of > > moshing. If it is a so-called release to the energy of the music, then > > why do we see heavy, severe injury causing moshing going on when NO > > FUCKING BAND OR LIVE MUSIC IS BEING PLAYED? Is the energy and > > adrenaline so high that this must continue NON-STOP between bands? > > Tell me why someone should have to go away and sit down where there > > isn't even a show to be seen?????? > > > > I'm totally fed up with moshing and I am a 34 year old female who still > > gets crushed but can take it like any man! No one has the right to > > tell me to go sit in the back if I can't take getting beat up just to > > see my favorite band. Moshers aren't watching *anything*, so I am > > suggesting you go mosh in the back (if you must) where you can still > > release your energy to the music (if that's what you're calling it) > > since it's loud everywhere and leave the front view to those of us who > > are there to appreciate the music, the band and the show. > > > > I haven't checked my mail in a while and just logged on to read your > message on moshing. I'd just like to say that I agree with you totally. > As I 20 year old male, I also find moshing to be stupid and pointless. > Going into a "pit" to get beaten up or to get beaten up by others is not > my idea of fun and paying up to 20 quid for a ticket just to get bruises, > a black eye and missing front tooth isn't what U'd call value for money > either. > It's just infantile macho bullshit and has nothing to do with musical > enjoyment whatsoever. In my mind, there are absoultely no argements that > can be raised in favour of this dispicable, sad and annoying trend which > has been the bane of Rock music for some time now. If people can't enjoy > listentning to a band play live and behave like civilised human beings > insted of neanderthal morons, then they should not be allowed to attend > concerts. There's a place for mindless animals, it's called the zoo. > > -me > ------------------------------ From: Dan Chalich Subject: Re: the real other side of the moshing coin How can anyone not like moshing? Especially at concerts like Soundgarden. Unless you're a major pussy I would highly recemending jumping in the pit. P.S. Does anyone know where I can find the song "Nazi Driver?" ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Re: the real other side of the moshing coin > How can anyone not like moshing? Especially at >concerts like Soundgarden. Unless you're a major pussy I would highly >recemending jumping in the pit. Well, Smashing Pumpkins and Bush both expressed disapproval at moshing at their concerts, but I think this is because they are stuck up (I still like them, but there;s no way you can say they aren't snobs.) They want everyone to sit nicely, enraptured by their music. I think moshing is a far better way to enjoy heavy music. I was crowdsurfing at a Sponge concert I went too, while they were playing Plowed, and it felt SO incredible... like I was floating! But, ya know, some people are frightened of it, so you've gotta let them express their feelings on it too. Personally, I think there are more pressing matters to worry about than moshing. > P.S. > Does anyone know where I can find the song "Nazi Driver?" It's on Soundgarden first LP, Ultramega OK, released by SST records. Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: get yrself controlled... guys, i know this is kinda dumb, but i was looking through my old July edition of AP (it had Rage against the machine on the cover...) and it had some advertisement for unknown music things. these little listening booth-type things that they were planning to install at some stores. whatever, so i'm reading down the list for ones in PA and i hit maryland and there's a store called Soundgarden in Baltimore, MD. i just thought that was kinda neat, in a really dumb way. :) mind riot ____ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i'm tied within i'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Subject: Hype! From: Brydon Cheyney CS95 Caryns new thread... >has anyone gone to see 'hype!' yet? has it started playing anywhere >outside of seattle? There was a showing of Hype! at the Nice N' Sleazy club here in Glasgow last Friday, which unfortunately coincided with the Screaming Trees show that was taking place literally across the road so I missed it. Damn. But there was NO way I was missing the Screaming Trees concert! It was amazing - and to top it off they have Josh Homme playing back-up guitar in the touring band! He was right in front of me! I missed Kyuss live so I guess this is the nearest I'll get until Gamma Ray decide to tour... Later, Brydon - 'I wanna ride upon a five mile tide of surprise and oblivion, Come rain or shine I'm waiting at the front line... ' ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: THE VOICE OF THE GOD >>From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) >>Subject: Re: lets take a survey > >>>i was listening to soundgarden the other day, as i usually do, and >>>really realized for the first time that chris cornell has two different >>>voices he sings with. there is the deep voice (fell on black days, black >>>hole sun), and then there is his more high pitched voice (jesus christ pose, >>>pretty noose). i was just wondering which voice you people out there >>>preferred. >>>anthony > >>Chris is one of my favorite vocalists of all time. I would have to say >>that I like both of his voices. His "lower" voice is probably best used on >>acoustic numbers like "Seasons" and the acoustic version of "Like Suicide". >>When he gets high pitched on songs like "Overfloater", "Mailman", and >>"Jesus Christ Pose", I can just FEEL it. It's not a feeling I can describe >>with words. Most of the SOMMSters must know what I'm talking about. >>Sorry, but I can't say I like one more than the other. Chris Cornell >>without one of his types of voices is like cookies without milk. > > > I would definitely have to agree here. The whole reason why I started >listening to Soundgarden was because >of Chris' unimaginable vocal range. All the way from Birth Ritual screams to >low Like Suicide grumbles. I think >what really grabs me are the songs that dub BOTH voices over each other like >4th of July, Karaoke, Let Me Drown, >and Pretty Noose. This guy makes me so jealous because I would kill for a >voice like his!! I can barely get through >one song before I lose my voice!! Anyone in the same boat? > >Kazam Oh man, am I in the same boat!! I sing to SG songs all the time, wishing I had a vocal range like Chris. He did get singing lessons throughout the years. Check out the Chris info at seth's site. Like you, I also LOVE the dubbing of the voices on 4th of July. I heard that sometimes Chris has voice problems because he screams a lot. But he's still a damned great vocalist. RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: Danielle Therese Lisitza Subject: Re: It WAS a happy day.........Johnny Cash, BiMH.......... hey, i agree about bob dylon's irrelvevance to soundgarden. however he is still a cool guy. am i the only one who thinks chris cornell his just a little egotistical? no really, does he really have to see his name on every page in his album covers? / bleg..it really annoys me.. ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: Re: An observation. > I think that what you had to say had a pretty good point to it. I >would >love to have chicks hanging around all day just because i could play music >(which i can't), but i am sure that would get old pretty quick. > Does anyone out there think that the song applebite fucking rocks? >i love that song!! later... I don't know anyone really interested in that song except myself. I don't know what kind of instruments they're using, but I posted earlier that it kinda sounds like the background music for a '70s blaxploitation film. I really love that song? By the way, do you know what a "moog" is? The insert said that they were using that in the song. RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: Danielle Therese Lisitza Subject: Re: An observation. sure i love that song applebite. however i don't think that their last album was all that great. the best album is the screaming life/fopp ep. girls would get pretty tired of you if all you did was try to mack on them all the time and play your guitar like you were having sexy the was kim does. : write back, danielle On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Christopher Corning wrote: > I think that what you had to say had a pretty good point to it. I would > love to have chicks hanging around all day just because i could play music > (which i can't), but i am sure that would get old pretty quick. > Does anyone out there think that the song applebite fucking rocks? > i love that song!! later... > > ------------------------------ From: clmiller@mail.usachoice.net (Chris Miller) Subject: singles and b-sides and rarities and other zippy things OK...So I'm greedy...I didn't realize that there was a SG shortage elsewhere. I guess that was my closeminded personality temporarily taking over the controls. It would be swell, however, if we could all SHARE some of the interesting little things that we can pick up in our respective countries. Just a thought. So anyway, I finally found the Launch issue 8 today with Karaoke on it. Of course, I nearly had an aneurysm when I did find it and I literally ran to the car to hear it. Very interesting. I like the opening and the chorus is very "Kiss-ish". When I hear a song that should be on DOTU, but wasn't, I tend to more easily discern some of the common threads that are present to sew the album together as a whole. Of course, I could just be talking out my asshole. Does anyone else who heard Karaoke or She Likes Surprises feel the same way about DOTU and Superunknown??? PS-Anyone know of any non-eMpTyV SG plans like SuperUnplugged??? ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: It WAS a happy day.........Johnny Cash, BiMH.......... Danielle wrote: >am i the only one who thinks chris cornell his just a little egotistical? >no really, does he really have to see his name on every page in his album >covers? / bleg..it really annoys me.. Chris' name is only put on songs that he has written or co-written on the albums. He doesn't decide where he's going to be mentioned. Yeah, he might be a *little* egotistical... but that's hardly reflected on the actual albums. He saves the ego stuff for all those nifty interviews. ;-) I mean... can the guy help it that he's so fucking awesome? Shroomy Some old favorites: "Mistress Shroom, may I please take off all of my clothes and run around the room naked again?" ~ Chris Cornell "Hey Shroom... Dave (Navarro) and I will be waiting in the hot tub. Hurry, or we'll be forced to start without you..." ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: gwm@starnetinc.com Subject: STOP THE FLAMES!!! Hey, probably nobody knows me on here because I hardly ever post, but I bet a lot of people on this list, including me, are getting sick and tired of the flame wars going on. Please, use private email for that. What's the point of posting it on the list? Thanks. PS--This is not a flame!!! See you all at the SOMMS fest on Nov 10! I might also be there Nov 9 if my luck doesn't change so I can meet SG. Dave Miller ********************************************* *I like to trade bootlegs. * *Check out my Pearl Jam homepage at: * *http://pwp.starnetinc.com/gwm/pearl.htm * *You can find my bootlist there * *PEARL JAM AND SOUNDGARDEN RULE! * ********************************************* ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: Alive in the Superunknown Valahovic wrote: > > From: Stephanie Valahovic > > Yeah it's a real nice CD+, however there are a few things you need > to take into account before you buy it. Not that you shouldn't, but... > > I don't know how it works on mac, so if you have a mac I'd ask if > anyone has had problems using it with mac. I do have Win-95, but when > I first purchased it, I was using Win-3.1, and the CD drive I was > using at the time was a 2x panasonic 563, I've upgraded to a creative > lab 8x. The problem with the CD+ (actually it's called CD-extra) > is that the recommended requirements are not entirely true. You need > to be running Win-95 with a CD+ compatible CD drive. Win-3.1 will only > work if you are running a CD drive as a external drive, SCSI. The > drivers that are offered on the Corel Disk are only for external > SCSI, ATAPI, devices. However if you have Win-95 you only have to > worry whether your CD Drive is CD+ compatible, mainly because > Win-95 has a driver that will reconize CD+. As far as Win-3.1 is > concerned, Microsoft has no intention of writing a CD+ driver for > it, they considers Win-3.1 a done deal, and are not writing any > more drivers for it period. > > If you have any doubt about whether you will be able to use the CD+ > format, eventually you will have to upgrade to 95 and buy a new CD > drive, so I'd get it anyway. > > I hope you don't have any of the problems I've mentioned above so > you can go out, buy it, take it home, and enjoy it. > Actually, there is some misinformation in that post. The requirement is that you have a CD-ROM drive that will play enhanced cd's (CD+). You can access the multimedia on AITS with Windows 3.1, as long as you have a CD-ROM drive, and corresponding drivers which support CD+. (I know, I've done it) Really, the only way to tell if your drive supports CD+, is to either ask the manufacturer, or to install the most recent driver for your drive, and try it out. The drivers on the Corel disk, which is included are SCSI only. (Not ATAPI). Microsoft probably has no intention of creating CD-ROM drivers because they do not make CD-ROM drives; that is usually left up to the hardware manufacturers. Just thought I would clear that up somewhat. Geoff ------------------------------ From: iawake@ix.netcom.com (Chris (SGardnGrl)) Subject: I think I need to buy some Rogaine!!!! Me thinks that all this whining nonsence about Hater and the butt-rock assholes, and the measure of fanship, and how to approach Matt & Ben, conducting onces self in the pit, blah blah blah... is just simply a waste of time. I have noticed that most who have posted in regards to the Hater show, have only concentrated on all the negativity of that night. I too WAS THERE, smack dab in the front, having my hair pulled, getting brutalized, so I DO know what I'm talking about when I say that I can understand how everyone would be pissed at the behavior of most of the dickheads that were doing all the pushing and slaming. The bottom line here people, is that everyone is an individual, and they are going to react differently towards any given situation. I do believe that everyone has a right to feel the way he or she chooses to feel. Although, I am just a little bit sad that no one has posted (except Dena) that they had a great time seeing Hater play. I really disagree with people who believe that the blame falls onto Matt & Ben to have done something that night. Do you think that they really gave a shit? I say no. And no...I'm not shocked nor crushed by that brutal reality. What happened in the pit, will not affect my opinon of Hater or Soundgarden whatsoever! No matter how many dickheads pulled my hair, or slammed into me hard enough to give me fucking whiplash, or no matter how bad I wanted to fucking turn around and make them *pay*...(and just ask my husband and my close friends, they'll tell, that you don't ever want to be around me when I'm to my boiling point) Just like Vikki, I may be small, but I can defend myself to a larger persons dismay! I had my mind set on enjoying the show, nonetheless. I pretty much told myself that me bashing these fuckers, would really not solve anything, nor would it make them stop. The only thing it would do, is take away from me getting to see Hater play and enjoy the show the best way possible, given the circumstances. And bygolly, that's what I did! I'm not saying that I disagree with what you all did to protect yourselfs, but what I *AM* saying is all this negitive talk is really a bummer. (Yeah, yeah.. I know, your thinking right now... oh poor Christy, we wouldn't want to bum her out now would we?) But I'm just saying... I know it is a free county to speak ones mind, but it's just sad that most of the time, talk is spent more on the bad, rather than the good. And I also know that most will agree with me on this. I don't know if the band really cared if we all got killed by all the jerks in the pit...I think (and this is just my .02) that for Ben and Matt, it just comes with the territory, ya know? If your brave enough to venture into their pit, well then better be ready to face the consquences! As Chris Cornell would say: "Whataya Scared? WHATAYA SCARED!!!! In closing, I'd like to leave you all with my perplexing sarcastic comment in valley girl fasion>>>>"Like, Oh My God!, why diden't Matt or Ben, like stop the show or something? Like, don't they even care? Like, fer surrrre! Like, get real! - -Christy ------------------------------ From: al589314@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (Alba) Subject: Re: It WAS a happy day.........Johnny Cash, BiMH.......... >Surely, I think that any cover version >of any Bob Dylan song is better than the original If you are talking 'bout his voice, I agree with you..... But, believe me, I like a lot more Knokin' on heaven doors in the original version than tha GNR cover.... But.... what does Bob Dylan has to do with SG!!!! Adios.... y si, soy una ranchera! Alba ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Re: It WAS a happy day.........Johnny Cash, BiMH.......... Date sent: 7-NOV-1996 16:38:26 >hey, i agree about bob dylon's irrelvevance to soundgarden. however he is >still a cool guy. >am i the only one who thinks chris cornell his just a little egotistical? >no really, does he really have to see his name on every page in his album >covers? / bleg..it really annoys me.. Yeah, what is up with EVERY song being written by Chris? True, on Down on The Upside Ben wrote three songs, but Chris still wrote the lyrics to them. I feel sorry for Kim, because he had only one of his songs put on the record (and that song rocked I might add) and he said in an interview that he wasn't satisfied with the contributions he gave to the album. Still, you can't blame Chris for having an ego, because you'd have one too if women were constantly throwing themselves at you. I'm starting to get an ego, and my band isn't even famous (yet. :) ) Hehehe. Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Opening bands... Date sent: 7-NOV-1996 16:46:42 I'm really into a lot of lesser known alternative rock bands, so I think a few of them would be great openers for SG's new tour. Girls Against Boys is FANTASTIC! I've talked with their singer before about how much they sounded like Soundgarden (they come from NYC too, and have been around for years.) I also like squirtgun. They wrote the opening song from Mallrats "Social." Either one of these shows would be perfect, in my opinion. Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: Lauren Simonis Subject: Re: lets take a survey On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Nancy E Meyers wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 1996 AMMENDOZA@SCUACC.SCU.EDU wrote: > > > i was listening to soundgarden the other day, as i usually do, and > > really realized for the first time that chris cornell has two different > > voices he sings with. there is the deep voice (fell on black days, black > > hole sun), and then there is his more high pitched voice (jesus christ pose, > > pretty noose). i was just wondering which voice you people out there > > preferred. > > anthony > > > I think I prefer his low/deep voice, but I must say my favorite SG songs > are when Chris uses both high and low voices in a song, as in the song > 4th of July (Which is my favorite song!). He also does this during part > of Pretty Noose (the " I dont like what you got me hanging from" lines). > Also I think on DOTU Chris does use both (High on Pretty Noose, low on > Zero Chance for example), which is one of the reasons I like the CD so > much. (Am I the only one who does?)--Nancy > > No, I completely agree with you, Nancy. I was just talking to someone ther other day about the fact that Chris's versatility as a singer is what makes him so incredible. The fact that one minute he's singing in his deep voice (which I think I prefer) and the next he's singing in his "high" voice. 4th of July being my favorite SG song as well, I tend to agree that the combination of both is enough to blow a person's mind. The man has talent. -Lauren ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: singles and b-sides and rarities and other zippy things I agree both those songs should have been on the major releases. (And She Likes Surprises was in fact on the European Release of SU). Both of those songs rock. Karaoke has such a cool vibe to it, and it makes fun of all those crappy "alternative/grunge" bands that tried to cash in on the success of the good bands. hahaha...hoho. Geoff ...cause I fell on.... Chris Miller wrote: > > OK...So I'm greedy...I didn't realize that there was a SG shortage > elsewhere. I guess that was my closeminded personality temporarily > taking over the controls. It would be swell, however, if we could all > SHARE some of the interesting little things that we can pick up in our > respective countries. Just a thought. > > So anyway, I finally found the Launch issue 8 today with Karaoke on it. > Of course, I nearly had an aneurysm when I did find it and I literally > ran to the car to hear it. Very interesting. I like the opening and > the chorus is very "Kiss-ish". When I hear a song that should be on > DOTU, but wasn't, I tend to more easily discern some of the common > threads that are present to sew the album together as a whole. Of > course, I could just be talking out my asshole. Does anyone else who > heard Karaoke or She Likes Surprises feel the same way about DOTU and > Superunknown??? > > PS-Anyone know of any non-eMpTyV SG plans like SuperUnplugged??? ------------------------------ From: "Jamie C." Subject: I've blown it! according to my favorite person caryn, i've blown it. i don't know what i've gotten myself into. a "flame-war" perhaps? i don't think so....... i'm ending this little row, 'cause caryn's old news to me.... at least until i say something she doesn't like (then i'm in for it!?!) anyways, about "moshing" I was at sg in 94 and I took some pretty hard shots in the pit. hey, i knew it was coming. I bought floor tickets: there were no seats on the floor. so, I was prepared for it. "NEW LEAF" +jamie c.+ (always a joy to have around) ******************************** "You and I are not the same.... you like everything." (I Mother Earth-"Three Days Old") ******************************** "two of us, that's dangerous" (Smashing Pumpkins-"Frail and Bedazzled") ******************************** ------------------------------ From: Warewolf of LaSierra Subject: question about SG in San Diego? Is any one on this emailing list going to the SG concert on november 30, in San Diego? (If there are any SG fans in So. Calif. at all)(I have yet to meet one. even if they are as much of a fan as I am) Oh, and one more. Is it weird if i understand everything that SG writes about, 'cause no boby gets it when i start quoting SG lyrics here. --just some thoughts-- warewolf-from-soundalot (alias: Ryan Moore) ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: it's just sad it's just sad that people apparently have such low self-worth that they will allow themselves to be treated like shit by a bunch of guys who are just like they are, only they happened to be talented AND someone happened to notice. soundgarden are wonderful, talented, thoughtful musicians. but they are human beings. they are NOT saints. when they do something wrong it is just as band as if you or i did it. just because you greatly admire or love a band does not mean that you automatically have to suck it up when they do something you don't like. when they make an album you don't like. when they put on a less-than-stellar performance. you can love them fiercely and still say 'hey, this sucks'. it's like when you love a person, you can say, 'i don't like you right now'. i don't like what you're doing. that doesn't mean you don't love them, you just don't like them at that moment. i don't undrstand why i'm not allowed to criticize the almighty soundgarden. i like to think that they were one band who would truly appreciate informed, intelligent, thoughtful fans. ones who weren't little sheep following them wherever they went. and christy, yeah. i was scared. i was so scared i couldn't possibly concentrate on the show. scared and hurt personally, and worried about *MY FRIENDS*. i'm not the kind of person who can ignore what's going on with the people around me, especially when they're getting hurt or may be in trouble. i cared about people -- not about where i was at the show, even though i sat on the edge of the stage all night to get that place. but ya know, like, it was, like, ya know, terrible what like, ya know, happened there. *shrug* - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Brian Lucas Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 7 Nov 1996 Note: This is an insanely long message, But I believe that you may enjoy reading it. So my advice is to save it now so that you can read it a little at a time in the future. This past summer contributed it's fair share of happy times and lots of bar hopping (turned 21 in July), but most meaningful of all was Lollapallooza where I got to see our beloved band. The ramones were great and so were the Melvins (first time I saw them) but SG brought a perpetual smile to my face. Here's my contribution to you: my experience with SG this past summer. Some will find that this is no big deal compared to their own amazing encounters with the band. But nonetheless I think you will find this interesting and amusing if anything. It's a lengthy story because it has to be told right. I'll try to be as brief as possible. Upon entering the grounds of the Irvine Meadows Amphitheater, it was blatantly clear to me that the crowd was there to see metallica. Sure, they probably liked SG too, and maybe some Psychotica or whatever else, but the majority of the crowd paid the $40 bucks for Metallica alone. But I was not personally affected by this, just annoyed with the fact that SG was kind of given the backseat in a event that they didn't need to be involved in in the first place. They weren't really given the position of SHARING the center stage as announced. That was just for promotional reasons. SG's performance time was eclipsed by Met. by an hour. And the crowd's reponse proved that a highly commercial band like Metallica is now needed in order to sustain the growth of Lollapallooza. No longer can indie bands or other opening bands be relied on to help fuel this concert's dollar intake. With a only a few minutes remaining before SG would hit the stage, my estimation is that only 70% of the seats were filled. Everyone else was busy eating corndogs and eyeing the trashy, metal-head bitches outside the theater. It was probably the largest gathering of stupid people i've ever been surrounded by. Metallica is a respectable band and I like them, but the majority of their followers leave much to be desired. This probably was somthing Perry Farrell forecasted before he withdrew from Lolla. Then band comes out and explodes with Spoonman. I'm in tears. Standing on my seat with all emotions running wild. Most of the audience is seated. the girls behind me are yelling for me to sit down. I tell the one who has a rip in her Pantera shirt that shows part of her bra to go get another corndog. I'm not going to fuckin' stay seated. From Jesus Christ Pose, to Chris' solo Black H. Sun, to outshined, Fell on B.D, to Pretty noose....I was hurt when it all ended. What sucked is that, although the show was awesome and it lasted a good hour and 20 minutes... it was now over. The worst part was that Metallica was remaining but my appetite for SG was not satisfied. I'm not the biggest M. fan either. So, setup time took an hour and fans started filling the seats up. they hit the stage and everyone was there this time, all rowdy and jumping about. Except me, I didn't fit in. I didn't want to. Why should I be there when I wasn't really sincere. I stayed for 4 songs and then left w/ part of the group i came w/ in search of something more. I wanted to get backstage more than anything else. I didn't have a pass and security stuffed every opening to the backlot. But I did have a jacket that read "Ace Parking Attendant." This was the company that headed parking procedures for the event. I got it from a good friend (Here's to you, Kutas) who worked there. We all had similar jackets. At first we tried to coerce the security guy at the main backlot entrance in to letting us pass through. Our excuse was that we were on break and our boss said we could walk around in there. DENIED! So we walked along the gate to see if there was a secluded area where we could just climb across. But we saw other people's failed attempts at it. Discouraged, my friends decided to give it up. They left but I stayed on alone. I was getting aggravated. Concert ushers are the biggest assholes. They treat everyone as if they are little scrub, white trash teenybopper, junkies. Aimlessly roaming around, I could hear metallica going off in the background. "IS EVERYONE HAVING A FUCKING GOOD TIME??" "EVERYONE SAY 'FUCK, YEAH!!!! FUCK YEAH!! Whatever, man. I was feeling hopeless but I didn't want to stop trying. Finally, a light at the end of the tunnel. There was a narrow opening in the gate where some people were huddled around a woman. It was way back in the corner where I had not noticed it before. I walked up and some people were trying to peer in while others were sweet talking the woman in to letting them in. I walked up to the gate and manuevered through the group to the woman. I told her that I just finished my break and needed to get in there to go back to work. "Ohhh! You work here? Okay...just go right on in, dear." "Thanks, babe." Here's where the adventure begins: I was in!! I couldn't believe it. i wasn't backstage, I was in the backlot. But still. I was in! Around me were a caravan of buses. I couldn't see shit through the windows. I guess that's the whole point of them. there wasn't as much activity going on as I had imagined. Some important looking people walked around here and there, but overall it was pretty boring. I walked back and forth along the row of buses in search of some activity. I searched for Soundgarden everywhere. Maybe they left already? I couldn't make out any kind of activity going on anywhere. Not in the buses or anywhere. I couldn't get backstage so that was a big mystery. Fuck! this far and nothing to experience. then I looked up and saw ,in the distance, three or four people walking towards me. It was dark and they were maybe 50 yards away, so I couldn't make them out. But the taller person in dark clothes looked familiar even under those circumstances. I walked slowly towards them. It was Chris. One guy, an escort, was rushing him off somewhere. Another guy, some dipshit who later told me that he saw some "dudes" he thinks are from SG, was trying to get an autograph. "Sign something! Anything! C'mon. Please!" All chris said was " I'm sorry. I'll be back later." Big liar. I was in shock still. I didn't know how to act. It's weird when the band that you have loved for so long and listen to every waking hour is represented right in front of your own eyes. I found myself asking him for an autograph too while in actuality I really didn't know what I wanted from him. His escort kept his hand up to keep us away. "Don't walk with us. He's given you his answer. Now please respect it." I didn't hear him. "Can I have an autograph, please. Anything. Can you give me anything?" I sounded like the dipshit. Chris: "Sorry. I can't do that." Me: "please. an autograph maybe." Chris: "How about a mental autograph?" He offered his hand. I smiled and then we shook hands. Then he turned and left and it was over. I stood there for a while. I didn't follow him any more. I just looked after him as he and his escort walked off until I could no longer see them. My hand was still in the handshake position. Wow. I was happy and satisfied, but I decided to stick around to maybe see some of the other guys. I had to wait for the rest of my friends still watching the Metallica concert to come out anyways. I walked along the row of buses again trying hard to catch a glimpse of movement inside any of them. Then, through the front windshield of one of the buses I saw some hair. then I saw a head to go with it. BEN!! i think. i went to get a closer look. I saw him get up and walk to the back of the bus. Now I knew for sure that it was him. I also could see a couple women sitting down and an escort/driver sitting in front. I decided to stand there and wait them out. they had to come out sooner or later. The escort guy finally came out. "They're going to come out now so whatever you gotta say - make it quick and don't walk with us. Okay?" "Okay." I see Ben get up and talk some more with someone. Then I see him grab a big hefty bag full of stuff. He starts to make for the bus door where I am anxiously waiting. He walks down the steps with the bag in his arms. Then he turns to me, makes like he is offering the bag to me, and says with a smirk "You want some pot, dude?" What the hell do I say to that? I just patted him on the back as he walked off grinning. In the mean time, Kim had shot out from the bus behind Ben and was well on his way to going wherever they were going. I hadn't even seen him before that because Ben drew all my attention. Once again I was left standing there in awe and confusion. I watched them disappear in to the place Chris had gone a hour earlier. What a night. What a summer. What a band. I know that this story was extremely prolonged. I could have just given you the main points, but it would have taken away from the special quality of this experience. It meant a lot to me. I don't expect you to understand that. Just appreciate the experience. Brian brlucas@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Internet Message > Yeah, what is up with EVERY song being written by Chris? True, on >Down on The Upside Ben wrote three songs, but Chris still wrote the lyrics >to them. (snip snip) chris is an AMAZING songwriter and you just can't keep talent like that bottled up and shoved away because someone wants an equal representation of each member. I've read interviews and watched some and the boys all say they love the band so much because of the musical freedom they give each other and the don't tell each other what to do, ect. i think this carries on into the music put onto an album. if kim writes say 5 songs and chris writes 10, but most of chris's are liked more by the 4 than kim's...well, chris's will end up on the album. yeah, kim was a little pissed about only getting a few credits in DOTU, but his name is plastered all over SU. with a songwriter like chris, it's hard not to have him write most of the material. look at nirvana... there were only two songs not entirely written by kurt cobain. and one was a b-side, so not many people know it. it's just like, if you've got it... use it to the utmost powers... mind riot ____ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i'm tied within i'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Thanks Dena,Superunknown,Rusty cage Hey all, The Somms Shirt and hats Dena put together arrived about 1-2 weeks ago. I am very satisfied with The Quality of the items.Also,The timely manner in which this entire venture was executed.Great job,Dena I should have posted sooner and I would have but I have been extremely busy. I also,received the Cd size book "The making of Superunknown".I read A few pages last night and It looks pretty good.It doesn't have any picture inside it so,I was a little disappointed but the text,content seems to be ok so far. This may have been covered already by Unknwman,So,excuse me but I was just informed by Gary at Marshall music that the Rusty cage single by Johnny Cash is coming out with Soundgarden's version on the flip side. I am having Gary pre-order a copy for me. Gonzo Jaime Gonzalez Computer Repair Technician Engineering Services Michigan State University 505 Computer Center 353-5266 JGG@pilot.msu.edu FAX:517/3536506 ------------------------------ From: Michele Subject: meeting SG Hi, I just wanted know people's opinons. Say if YOU were in a FAMOUS band wouldn't you rather meet fans in an organize fashion? Instead of having to act like they are chasing you. I think if they know they are going to meet with you it takes a little bit of that "Oh I am going to spaz, I just won the lottery feeling off." That way it won't feel as awakard for both the fans n the band.(or will it ?) I mean it could work like this, we give them our name, show ID when we get there, they let us in. We get a breif shake hands,they sign something, maybe a picture, Goodbye have a nice life. That way they have our names (we know their names why shouldn't they get our names?) I think it is much a more of a civilized way of meeting bands. I wouldn't ever have the guts to go up if I saw them on the street n make a scene I think that would really suck, besides they have a right to their privacy. So therefore, I have never done this n I will never do this. I think it would be really kewl if SG n other bands started doing this espeacially for the true fans, that know all there songs by heart, run out to get their new single, ect. I don't expect to play ping-pong with kim just because he plays guitar in my favorite band. This should be for the people who just want to shake their hand n get on with their life. This is just my opinon. Go ahead let's hear yours. I am just a babbling fool really, Michele ------------------------------ From: Ken Casey Subject: Seattle show Is anyone going to the Seattle show? ( The second one, Wed. Dec. 11th ) Laurie C ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Hater Report on KISW. For those Seattle Area Sommsters... KISW is broadcasting a report about the Ben Shepperd Vs. Daniel House title fight that took place at the Hater show on Halloween at the OK Hotel. It's on the "Lowdown" segments, for those interested. I will not say where they got their information from, other than it was an eyewitness to the event. Leaving for Chicago in 19 hours!!!!!! See you there Ben and Matt! The List Thug, Somms Sheriff, KTMS Founder, and all around crazy guy, Aaron ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: ...and out your mother On Tue, 5 Nov 1996 ray the brewicide machine wrote: > Also check out half of Sg's b-sides since then. He's had a hand in recording > them live & in studio in just about every era of Soundgarden (LtL-era, > Bmf-era, Super-era). Anyway... sorry for the boring bit of trivia. ok, I had a little to much time on my hands last night before I hit the proverbial hay, so I did a little looking through liner notes and the like. so if you don't like soundgarden production trivia, please turn away now. I notice that the fopp ep, unlike screaming life, was recorded at the moore theatre. those in the area (seattle, that is) might be able to tell us whether this was done on the main stage (would that even be possible?) or whether there are recording facilities out back for some reason. if I remember correctly the band had a lot of problems while recording badmotorfinger; something to do with being out of sync, not in tune and generally out of sorts. the liner notes say spring - studio d (sausalito) and bear creek (woodinville), so which was the bad egg? my foggy memory says that studio d was the uncool one, but I could be wrong. I also noted that 'she's a politician' (from the later released somms) was in the main recorded at both of these studios, unlike the rest of the ep which was done at avast studios, which makes me think that it was part of original bmf lineup. also interesting is that 'cold bitch' was recorded at these sessions too, tying it closely to the writing process of bmf. btw, have you ever noticed that when stuart hallerman is mentioned in production credits, his name almost always follows that of the band? it seems like he is more of a good friend than a producer. and definitely lastly, I noticed that 'jerry garcia's finger' was recorded at space studio. is it reasonable to imagine that the upcoming b-side 'slice of space jam' was recorded during this session also? I know someone has already made the connection, but this seemed to be pretty good evidence. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Re: Hater show Well it seems I have been visited by the wrath of Caryn. How did it get so nasty when I started out simply disagreeing with your Hater=Soundgarden assessment, admitting that I may be biased because of the good luck I have had with Silver Management? > >You know what Caryn, sometimes I wonder why you're even on this list. > > oooh... kathie, are you now judging soundgarden-worthiness? i mean, i guess > i'm not a real soundgarden fan because i bother to question the morals and > standards of two of the group members, or because i decided not to go to > chicago. This is pretty sad. I don't judge anyone's Soundgarden-worthiness. Anyone who regularly reads your posts can attest to the fact that the vast majority of them are negative. I was simply wondering why you bother with the list when so much of Soundgarden, Silver Management, and list activity irritates you. And I wrote that after reading a running account of a live Pearl Jam concert that took up several totally un-Soundgarden-related posts of yours. > >You don't seem to care much for Soundgarden anymore. > > and gee, this turn of events has been since when? ....since, let's see, > hmmm, the hater show was October 31. it's now november 6. it hasn't even > been a week, and suddenly, I 'don't seem to care much for soundgarden > anymore.' No, your negativity dates back way beyond October 31. I guess I was wrong, so shoot me - your devotion is unquestionable. > this is unlike you, kathie I started out civil, Caryn, you turned this nasty. I believe that for the most part I've maintained my dignity, but like anyone when I am backed against the wall I will fight. You begin spouting vitriol because I disagree with you. Then, in one breath you accuse me basically of ass-kissing, and in the next breath say I'm too stupid to understand that meeting the band may not be like a party on MTV. > >You have no idea what I've been discussing with Silver Management > >because I have chosen not to put on the list things that only concern a > >small segment of the list. > > okay, here we go: "i know something but i'm not telling" "aren't we ALL so > special that we get to meet the band and the rest of the list doesn't". > that's bullshit and it's disgusting. what elitism. how unfair to the rest > of the list to wave this in our faces like this. make us all feel like shit. > If you feel like shit its your own fault. My intention in not posting every little detail to the list was the exact opposite. I felt that it would be rubbing it in to do so. > >And Erin made it very clear > >what a "walk-through" was. > > ...but everyone on this list who is going is acting like it's 'party with > the band' time. i just don't want to see more people's expectations get > shattered when it's not what they think it is. I haven't gotten that impression. We are extremely excited that we are being given whatever opportunity this turns out to be. No matter what it actually turns out to be, the reality still is that we will be making contact with the band, even if its only for 2 seconds. That in itself is exciting, and is more than any of us ever expected. So it seems that its you who is jaded, because we will be happy even if it is just a "walk-through". We think its great! > >However, since then there have been further > >developments that those of us who are going will be sure to share with > >the list after the show. > > oh boy... here we go again. 'we are all just SOOOOOO special and we have > this BIG SECRET that we can't tell you!' really, kathie. i know you're > excited but i do think this is uncalled for. it's great that you stepped up > to the plate and actually contacted silver management, instead of being like > other people who expect someone to do it for them. you wanted this to > happen so you took steps to make it happen. but this does NOT make you all > more special than the rest of us, or more of a soundgarden fan than the rest > of us. Do you realize how bitter and jealous this makes you sound? I never said I was more of a Soundgarden fan. I have said very little about the whole thing, for the very reason that I don't want to sound like I'm lording it over on anyone. > you don't know anything yet, now do you Kathie? i just might know more > about what's going on than you know. and since you're not going to share > your special little secret with the rest of us who are so unworthy, I can't > possibly debate anything further. No, and this is exactly why I will not go into detail. And that is why I said we would be sure to send a report to the list after the show. > i am happy for you and jamie and toni and andrea and aaron and liza and the > people that i know who will be at the show who are excited about it. Boy, you could have fooled me. Caryn, we've never had a run-in before, and I think you've been very unfair to me. Your tirade has been totally out of proportion to anything I said. Just because I stand up for Soundgarden doesn't mean I'm doing it because I want to protect my backstage pass. You should know by now that I tend to defend the band, but I also will speak up when I think something they are doing is wrong. Why is it that just because I disagree with you I must be doing it because I'm kissing up to Silver Management. Did it ever occur to you that my feelings could actually be sincere. Lets take this off the list if it must continue, because it seems to me to be a personal, not a list issue. Kathie ------------------------------ From: Gene Candelaria Subject: DIO says... Hi all, Here's a little tid bit from my local newspaper. Ronnie James Dio is playing his 2nd show of his current tour in Riverside, CA Friday night. The paper's Music Reporter (Cathy Maestri) interviewed him. From the article: >> Part of the attraction of metal was it's stability, accoding to DIO - whose long career includes stints in Rainbow and Black Sabbath. But he thinks it's time for metal bands to stop using the same formula and maybe mix in a little melody and time changes. Some bands wouldn't dare: "Oh no, we won't do that because we're afraid people will break their leg trying to dance to it," he said sarcastically. Just slapping on your old makeup and touring won't further the genre, either. And latching onto the latest thing (some bands are now trying to mix techno music with metal) probably isn't the answer. "Trendy is the wrong way to go," DIO said. The right way seems to be in the direction of bands such as Soundgarden, "who, again, is a heavy-metal band. They take chances and they're good," DIO said. "Soundgarden, Tool - that's the way it should go. That's the way I'd like to see it go." >> There goes DIO. Spreading the vicious rumour that SG are a heavy-metal band! Where *has he gotten* this idea? (I *am* being sarcastic BTW). At least he has an agreeable opinion as to what is good! Not trying to start a thread Not trying to piss you off Not trying to wind up dead Just wanna FOPP and rock - FOPP me right! - -- ----- \___/ ----- ; > Gene Candelaria http://www.inland.net/~sunishun/sounds.html - "Gene Candelaria's El Shrine O'Links - Sounds Page" I know that I know nothing -Socrates ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: RE: Ben's guitar >>> **Lance---I'm waiting for your concert review!!!!** Yeah, LANCE WHERE ARE YOU????? I am leaving for Chicago in about 13 hours and I wanna know about the first U.S. show!!! not dealing with reality, eliza ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: buy the roadside (or the hater record, to be more exact)... On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, ADDC wrote: > Greetings. I was going to buy the Hater CD today but now that some of > y'all have said that Brian Wood's vocals aren't exactly *great* I am > rethinking my decision. What do you guys think? Is it worth buying? Also, the hater album is *definitely* worth buying. despite only being about half an hour long, there are some great moments on there. matt's drumming being one of them :) seriously though, I genuinely like all of the songs, and to hear both matt and ben in this way is refreshing. even if you are worried about wood's at times dodgy performance, having songs like 'roadside', 'down undershoe' and 'sad mcbain' at your fingertips is more than worthwhile. I know for a fact that both chris and kim really admire the record, which is a selling point in itself. > mean that Ben is now the lead singer of Hater fulltime? I wonder who will > do the vocals on their next album. When is the new Hater album coming > out? What is the deal with the Wellwater Conspiracy side project? Is > anything coming out of it? Can I ask anymore insane questions? whether ben is now the fulltime singer remains to be seen, vincent. when the new album comes out, I think ben may be doing all the vocals (due to reports from their latest show), but matt may jump in at some point. btw, does anyone know if john mcbain ever sang while he was in monster magnet? a lister reported that matt told him face-to-face that the new hater album will probably be out before halfway through next year. we can only cross our fingers and eat our vegetables :) as for wwc, take a stroll over to chris mackenzie's wwc homepage to see what john, zeb and ted are up to these days. all things considered, we could have a new one from them (with some vocals definitely done by ted) in the first quarter of next year. hope that helps. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: what it takes to step through... On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, GRRL NIKI FREER wrote: > what to do, ect. i think this carries on into the music put onto an > album. if kim writes say 5 songs and chris writes 10, but most of > chris's are liked more by the 4 than kim's...well, chris's will end > up on the album. yeah, kim was a little pissed about only getting a > few credits in DOTU, but his name is plastered all over SU. I don't really think it was a case of kim being pissed off. to me, it seems like all four members of the band are generally happy with the amount of songs of their own which end up on any given album. since all four are such creative guys and tend to write so much material, things have to be weighed up. most of the time it comes down to what songs are actually ready to go in terms of arrangement. this is one of the reasons why chris' songs make up the bulk of the published result. of the four, chris seems the most able to write and demo entire songs by himself; songs which are then brought to the band to test-run. the other major reason you see his name all over the liners to all their records is that he is simply one of the most accomplished and talented lyricists of our time (imho). as for saying that he is hugely egotistical (sorry, I can't remember which lister said that), he isn't being egotistical when he puts his name to his own work. that's his right, and no-one in the band would begrudge him that. something else which I think has changed the dynamic within the band is their improved sense of freedom; freedom to record whatever they want however they want. in the past some material has been left off or even left unconsidered by the band if it didn't fit into the conception of what a "soundgarden" song is. but since superunknown, songs like 'half' and 'applebite' have illustrated the band's increased willingness to take chances. I don't know how this will affect writing credit on the next record, but it certainly means that soundgarden's music won't grow stale. ----------------------------------- albums I'm listening to recently: aenima - tool fight for your mind - ben harper fast stories...from kid coma - truly year of mondays - mike johnson hi fi way - you am I badmotorfinger - soundgarden ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: More on the KISW report For those of you who want to listen to the "lowdown" featuring the Ben Sheppard story, they are running it at 8pm. Well, back to packing. Aaron ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: between your house and home (sorry, that is *so* bad)... On Thu, 7 Nov 1996 ThNrthFace@aol.com wrote: > KISW is broadcasting a report about the Ben Shepperd Vs. Daniel House title > fight that took place at the Hater show on Halloween at the OK Hotel. It's on > the "Lowdown" segments, for those interested. > I will not say where they got their information from, other than it was an > eyewitness to the event. is it interesting to any other listers that the guy ben beat up on was a former friend and bandmate of matt's? looks like brian wood isn't the only one to raise the hackles of hater. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: re: what it takes to step through... blind dog wrote: > I don't really think it was a case of kim being pissed off. to >me, it seems like all four members of the band are generally happy with >the amount of songs of their own which end up on any given album. since >all four are such creative guys and tend to write so much material, things >have to be weighed up. most of the time it comes down to what songs are >actually ready to go in terms of arrangement. yeah, that's kinda what i was getting at. the lister i wrote back to said how unhappy kim was that more of his songs weren't on DOTU. and i did read some guitar world (i'm not sure, it could have been another guitar mag too) and kim was quoted as saying he wished more of his stuff had made the album, but i guess that may happen each time around. i'm sure ben has tons of stuff he'd love to see on an SG album, matt too. and yeah, the guys have expressed their happiness with the album... at least in the articles i've caught. chris seems especially happy about it. > this is one of the reasons why chris' songs make up the bulk of >the published result. of the four, chris seems the most able to write and >demo entire songs by himself; songs which are then brought to the band to >test-run. the other major reason you see his name all over the liners to >all their records is that he is simply one of the most accomplished and >talented lyricists of our time (imho). as for saying that he is hugely >egotistical (sorry, I can't remember which lister said that), he isn't >being egotistical when he puts his name to his own work. that's his right, >and no-one in the band would begrudge him that. yes, definately, chris is one of the best singer/songwriter combinations that has graced the music scene in a long time. and no, he isn't being egotistical on the albums... it's just he wants credit for it. all four have their different copywriting companies (is that what they're called?) so they all get to say who wrote what and ect. i like that they do that, it gives me an insight to their brains. mind riot ____ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i'm tied within i'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: ...and out your mother I remember Matt saying Studio D is one of the best rooms in the world for recording drums. I don't know where the guitars and vocals on _Badmotorfinger_ were recorded, but I do know that all of the drum tracks on that album were recorded there. Ever wonder why the drums themselves sound so much better on _Badmotorfinger_ than on *any* other rock record? It's the room, man. It's gotta' be the room. Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, blind dog wrote: > if I remember correctly the band had a lot of problems while > recording badmotorfinger; something to do with being out of sync, not in > tune and generally out of sorts. the liner notes say spring - studio d > (sausalito) and bear creek (woodinville), so which was the bad egg? my > foggy memory says that studio d was the uncool one, but I could be wrong. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It's 106 miles to Chicago. We've got a full tank of gas, half a packet of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses. Hit it." --Joliet Jake and Elwood Blues ------------------------------ From: Andrew Christensen Subject: Re: buy the roadside (or the hater record, to be more exact)... >On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, ADDC wrote: > >> Greetings. I was going to buy the Hater CD today but now that some of >> y'all have said that Brian Wood's vocals aren't exactly *great* I am >> rethinking my decision. What do you guys think? Is it worth buying? Also, > > the hater album is *definitely* worth buying. despite only being >about half an hour long, there are some great moments on there. matt's >drumming being one of them :) seriously though, I genuinely like all of >the songs, and to hear both matt and ben in this way is refreshing. even >if you are worried about wood's at times dodgy performance, having songs >like 'roadside', 'down undershoe' and 'sad mcbain' at your fingertips is >more than worthwhile. I know for a fact that both chris and kim really >admire the record, which is a selling point in itself. > >> mean that Ben is now the lead singer of Hater fulltime? I wonder who will >> do the vocals on their next album. When is the new Hater album coming >> out? What is the deal with the Wellwater Conspiracy side project? Is >> anything coming out of it? Can I ask anymore insane questions? > > whether ben is now the fulltime singer remains to be seen, >vincent. when the new album comes out, I think ben may be doing all the >vocals (due to reports from their latest show), but matt may jump in at >some point. btw, does anyone know if john mcbain ever sang while he >was in monster magnet? > > a lister reported that matt told him face-to-face that the new >hater album will probably be out before halfway through next year. we can >only cross our fingers and eat our vegetables :) > > as for wwc, take a stroll over to chris mackenzie's wwc homepage >to see what john, zeb and ted are up to these days. all things >considered, we could have a new one from them (with some vocals definitely >done by ted) in the first quarter of next year. hope that helps. > > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > - words by kim thayil > ----------------------------------- > > > According to that interview on chris' WWC homepage, mcbain never did and never has plans to sing. he doesn't like writing lyrics either. does somebody know what the deal was with Wood in that band, does everyone hate him or what? also, why isn't mcbain mentioned as playing on any specific song on that Devilhead first album? and what is the whole deal with him and waterman and devilhead and hater and i also seem to have a lot of questions! :) at the concert, what was the lineup, because on the NORML comp they have a new bassist named Alan Davis. alright that is enough thanks. andrew ------------------------------ From: Jenny <100233.477@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Soundgarden in NZ!!!! ok these are the dates i know for the somms people in NZ: Jan 16 1997 Wellington Town Hall $42.90 from MFC Jan 17 (i think) Auckland - Big Day Out $60 (i think) Im going to both shows somehow Any sommsters going to either of those email me and we can meet up or something.. See you in january and hopefully talk to you Matt! jenny ------------------------------ From: Sachin Trivedi Subject: Re: ultimate sg setlist Here are mine: Hands All Over Jesus Christ Pose Mind Riot Like Suicide Beyond the wheel Gun Nothing to Say Limo Wreck Slaves and Bulldozers Uncovered Ty Cobb Mood For trouble Little Joe No Wrong No Right Searching with My Good Eye Closed I want to hear a lot of old stuff, although I know that won't happen. I really wish i had gotten into these guys a lot earlier. I love their early stuff and wish I could have seen them back in the days of the club shows. oh well. sachin On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Helsley, Scott wrote: > Since SG began their US tour yesterday I thought maybe we could take a little > survey. Basically what I want to know is: if SG played a live set of 15 > songs, which ones would you want to hear? I will compile the results and > post them at a later date. Here is my list (in no particular order): 1. > JCP, 2. Spoonman, 3. Pretty Noose, 4. Rusty Cage, 5. Birth Ritual, 6. Never > the machine forever, 7. Heretic, 8. Room a thousand years wide, 9. Flower, > 10. Full on Kevins Mom, 11. Let me drown, 12. The day I tried to live, 13. My > wave, 14. Ty Cobb, 15. Outshined. Those are my picks lets hear yours. > > Scott > ------------------------------ From: clmiller@mail.usachoice.net (Chris Miller) Subject: common ground Are there any others here from Western PA? Just wondering. . . maybe we could get a group together to go see a SG show nearby. Curiosity killed the rat you know! ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Re: meeting SG Date sent: 8-NOV-1996 00:10:08 >Hi, > I just wanted know people's opinons. Say if YOU were in a FAMOUS band >wouldn't you rather meet fans in an organize fashion? Instead of >having to act like they are chasing you. I think if they know they are >going to meet with you it takes a little bit of that "Oh I am going to >spaz, I just won the lottery feeling off." That way it won't feel as >awakard for both the fans n the band.(or will it ?) I mean it could >work like this, we give them our name, show ID when we get there, they >let us in. We get a breif shake hands,they sign something, maybe a >picture, Goodbye have a nice life. That way they have our names (we >know their names why shouldn't they get our names?) I think it is much >a more of a civilized way of meeting bands. True, it is a more civilized way of meeting bands. In all the articles I've been reading (to support my new book), Soundgarden seems sad at the fact that they don't really know their fans anymore. Meeting like that and introducing yourself would help them to feel more at home, like they did when they played small clubs back in the 80s. >I wouldn't ever have the >guts to go up if I saw them on the street n make a scene I think that >would really suck, besides they have a right to their privacy. So >therefore, I have never done this n I will never do this. I think it >would be really kewl if SG n other bands started doing this >espeacially for the true fans, that know all there songs by heart, run >out to get their new single, ect. I don't expect to play ping-pong >with kim just because he plays guitar in my favorite band. This should >be for the people who just want to shake their hand n get on with >their life. This is just my opinon. Go ahead let's hear yours. If I saw any of the guys in SG on the street (or in a grocery store or something), I definitely would go up and talk to them. I would NOT make a scene though, because that would annoy the hell out of them. It's amazing that even though I idolize Kim Thayil, I could still have an intelligent conversation about guitar playing with him. Sure, I don't expect to play ping pong with Kim, but it would be nice to have a few beers with him someday and maybe jam. Yes, I know the odds of this happening are about the same as Mets winning the World Series next year (I'm a Met fan too, so I'm not saying this lightly), but it would be nice, don't you think? Besides, if my book clicks, I might ask Silver Management for an interview with Kim once the tour is finished. Maybe I could get one, since I AM writing his biography. However, I am by no means counting on it. Everyone needs their privacy, especially these talented musicians who get so little time at home. Later, Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Re: Internet Message Date sent: 8-NOV-1996 00:35:36 >> Yeah, what is up with EVERY song being written by Chris? True, >on >>Down on The Upside Ben wrote three songs, but Chris still wrote the >lyrics >>to them. (snip snip) > > chris is an AMAZING songwriter and you just can't keep talent like >that bottled up and shoved away because someone wants an equal >representation of each member. I've read interviews and watched some >and the boys all say they love the band so much because of the >musical freedom they give each other and the don't tell each other >what to do, ect. i think this carries on into the music put onto an >album. if kim writes say 5 songs and chris writes 10, but most of >chris's are liked more by the 4 than kim's...well, chris's will end >up on the album. yeah, kim was a little pissed about only getting a >few credits in DOTU, but his name is plastered all over SU. > with a songwriter like chris, it's hard not to have him write most >of the material. look at nirvana... there were only two songs not >entirely written by kurt cobain. and one was a b-side, so not many >people know it. it's just like, if you've got it... use it to the >utmost powers... I'm not advocating any kind of quota for songwriting credit in Soundgarden. I mean, even in my own band I am the primary songwriter, with only three or four music credits going to the other three members of the band.) I'm simply suggesting that some of Kim's music may be pushed aside in favor of Chris's, regardless of quality. Take a look at the songs Kim has written before: Hands All Over, Get On the Snake, Never The Machine Forever... he even wrote the lyrics for Room A Thousand Years Wide (my fav SG song of all time.) The contributions of Matt and Ben are equally good. It makes you really wonder if they are making other good songs that are being pushed aside in favor of Chris's tunes. I'd just like to see a little more of a balance. Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: "Helsley, Scott" Subject: ultimate sg setlist Since SG began their US tour yesterday I thought maybe we could take a little survey. Basically what I want to know is: if SG played a live set of 15 songs, which ones would you want to hear? I will compile the results and post them at a later date. Here is my list (in no particular order): 1. JCP, 2. Spoonman, 3. Pretty Noose, 4. Rusty Cage, 5. Birth Ritual, 6. Never the machine forever, 7. Heretic, 8. Room a thousand years wide, 9. Flower, 10. Full on Kevins Mom, 11. Let me drown, 12. The day I tried to live, 13. My wave, 14. Ty Cobb, 15. Outshined. Those are my picks lets hear yours. Scott ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 298] ****************************************