From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 7 Nov 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 02:25:28 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 7 Nov 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: It WAS a happy day.........Johnny Cash, BiMH.......... HATER.... October 31st 1996 Walpurgis Night Music butow mov clip Re: australian and new zealand listers/lurkers rejoice... Re: sg at Planet Hollywood Re: Let's take a survey Johnny Cash/Rusty Cage sg. . .o' course Nice to meet you. Fighting at concerts Re: sg. . .o' course Re: lets take a survey Re: Fighting at concerts Re: Fighting at concerts More Hater-related questions. Re: sg. . .o' course Denver Alive in the Superunknown Re: More Hater-related questions. can we STOP this stupid thread? hype! contest Re: sg at Planet Hollywood Re: blowing up the outside world in my jesus christ pose Re: Hater show Re: lets take a survey Re: Hater show Re: Alive in the Superunknown Ben's Guitar SG @ Universal Amp. SG in NYC up all night at kevin's... Re: lets take a survey my heart's bleeding, I'm dying to leave... RE: Soundgarden Video Collection Wanted Moshing. RE: lets take a survey re: SG at Planet Hollywood shave your head and burn your sheets... SG in Houston Re: Hater show Re: lets take a survey Re: shave your head and burn your sheets... Re: Hater show congrats to seth Hater set list doh!... Re: congrats to seth Ben and the OK Hotel watch out, flame bait compilation for sale Hi People!!!! Re: BLOW DOWN THE INSIDE PLANET RE: australian and new zealand listers/lurkers rejoice... ------------------------------------------------------------ From: urbano Subject: Re: It WAS a happy day.........Johnny Cash, BiMH.......... At 08:14 AM 6/11/96 +-10-30, you wrote: > I'm one who usually doesn't like the cover version of anything > (except for UB40/Chrissie Hyde's version of "I Got U, Babe", and Marilyn Manson's > version of "Sweet Dreams" - those versions are BETTER than the real thing, imo), Surely, I think that any cover version of any Bob Dylan song is better than the original, even when performed by an unknown band or an awful singer. I think that nobody can be as boring as Bob Dylan. His style is one I find gross and slow, regardless that it is a style from where many others descend. Other covers sound happier and faster. Even the Rolling Stones have covered him sounding better than Bob himself. Not that I want to speak bad about my elders but... well... just toughts... -urbano OH yeah, Soundgarden content!... Read the first letter of each line from top to bottom :) ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: HATER.... October 31st 1996 Greetings from SEATLLE!! and also Greetings from San Diego ( because now as I finish this up I am home...UGH!!) What a great time in Seattle... I loved it!!! Cant wait for spring break so I can go back!!! It's only 6 more months right....too long me thinks!! more on the Seattle trip later... I wanted to get this out before its like 2 weeks old. This is my take on the Hater show.... its a LONG one!! so Beware!! HATER... What a show!!!! ~~HATER at the OK Hotel----Hallowen 1996 ~~ We arrived at the OK at about 5pm to meet up with everyone.We got there a little to early I suppose due to the fact that there was only about ( maybe and I stress MAYBE! ) 15 people in the whole joint. Shroom, Vikki and myself got situated and did our intoductions( Hi to Terrie and Christy!!) and took a seat next to the other somm-sters that had already made it there. Within in about 5 minutes of being there Vikki noticed a guy sitting at the bar.( GO VIKKI ).....Tall guy..dark hair.. black shirt.....Hmmmm....I wonder.....YES It was no other than one of the proprietors of the OK Hotel, Ben Shepherd!! We all made our way to Ben for autographs and such....I had Ben sign my ticket.I didnt't really talk to him other than " Can you sign this"? and "Thanks".( I was SO unbeliveably nervous) He was so accomodating and pleasent even though I was the last person to ask him for his autograph.He can be very intimidating...I have seen him do it... but just approaching him he was very nice.Also sitting at the bar was John McBain ( you know Wellwater Conspiracy ) I also had John sign my ticket and it gave me a chance to ask John about Wellwater..Thanks John for all that info that you gave me (Read: total sacrcasm!!) I also talked to him about Chris's page...all I could get out of my mouth was "Chris McKenzie's page" and he just started saying how he keeps meaning to go and check it out....WOW! and here I thought that he had already checked it out...hmmmmm... ( Note to Chris: I will mail you all the dirt when I get home from Seattle!!) After all the excitement had gone down... we all ordered something to eat and got some drinks and settled ourselves down to wait for time to pass so HATER would hit the stage.Around 10 or so the first band hit the stage... Kent-3 ( YUCK!!!). Aaron ( List Thug), Ryan( baby thug), Vikki, Shroom, Caryn and Chris, and myself all took the front stage.We all waited there until Hater came on... well at least some of us did.I decided to wander and see who else had shown up.... well on my way out I BUMPED into ( and I mean BUMPED into) Ben....He was very nice. I aploloized and said " excuse me" and looked up at him... and he just gave me a nice smile.(Yummm...Ben!)I wandered out of the ballroom and found that Matt had shown up.Shroom and Christy were already talking to him.. so I made my way over to him and talked a little to him and had him sign my ticket also.I also mentioned to him that I had brought shirts and hats from the list for him and the band. It wasnt until after the show that I really got to introduce myself to Matt. Also after talking to Matt I started talking to Stewart ( Avast studio ) Hallerman. I guess it was around 12 or so and Hater was about to go on so I went back up to recalim my space right next to Ryan and Vikki.It was so GREAT to be up front to see Matt and Ben!! Jen, Christy, Terrie and Bonnie had also made there way down to the front. The band hit the stage and we were stoked ...I couldnt belive that Ben was only like 3 or 4 feet from me ( not that I was freaking out.... I was used to it by this point.. he was within reaching distance from me when I was at the bar drinking talking to John(information central) McBain). Ben leaned over the crowd with the mike stand which almost hit Ryan and myself in the face... Ben realized this and the next time he did that same manuver he held it back so us FANS wouldnt get hit with....Ahhhh... what a sweetie ( whoa.. did I just call Ben a sweetie....oh boy!)Well it was only about 3 songs into it when this guy started throwing stuff at Ben. At first Ben ignored it..he tried even spitting on him...but after a couple of times of this guy throwing shit he actually walked over to the edge of the stage and gave some of those famous* DONT FUCK WITH ME *looks that Ben is good at doing.. The guy obviously didn't get the hint so the guy started throwing shit again.Well that is all that it took.Ben was AIRBORN.... unfortunatly Caryn was somehow in between the guy and Ben and ended up with ( what I could see ) a boot in the mouth... which knocked her down and gave her a fat lip and a swollen nose.That was a BIG bummer to us SOMMS-sters to say the least!!Ben finally returned to the stage and all seemed well... until the guy started throwing shit once again.This time Ben was horizontal...literally!!!!( it was like watching Superman take off from the stage)Ben went straight for the guy!! there seemed to be a bit of a scuffle.. but Ben being Ben he finally threw the guy out...only after leaving the rest of the band to finish the song as a instrumental. Ben finally returned to the stage... only having his shirt nearly ripped off of him.( umm...ummm.. catching my breath!!)I could go on here for awhile...actaully a long while!! ( read gratiutious comments about Ben's sexy body!! Sex fantasy in progress!! YUM!! ) oops... sorry off the track!! Ben is back and the show is still going on!! all seems well!! we are all rocking out having a good time...when these piece of shit butt-rock drunk assholes start this mini mosh fest right behind us...tyring to get us to move so that they can take our spots....sorry just because we are girls doesnt mean we dont know how to keep our spots!! ( right Vikki and Jenn ;)...heheh!!) I wish I had the show on video.... you cant belive the manuvers that Vikki was pulling... this girl was kicking butt and taking names!!!!! Anyway here we are fighting these guys off and still managing to enjoy the show! (I'm not going to go into deatil here...its just way to long to write about who did what to know... ya know.) I will say that HATER rocked!!! I am so glad that I had the chance to see them...they did play " who do I kill " along with " Down undershoe" I think.. ( Vikki has the set list.. even gracied with Ben's spit ) They mostly played new stuff... and I absolutly love it.. especially the song Nancy!! At one point Ben (who was sitting on some of the amps) says to John " lets play that S song ".. John not hearing him correctly says " WHAT".. so Ben says it again..." that S song" well I knew what that meant... SAD McBAIN. I was thrilled!!! I watched Matt get up from his kit and duck behind the curtain.....then Greg Kiplinger took a seat.... then out of the blue they start into this other song....HUH? well I guess they had a change of heart...they never did do SAD... although I did see Matt pull the curtain back with gituar in hand... I was SO bummed!! I really wish that they would have done it! I really would have liked Matt to sing...oh well next time I suppose! I am not sure what they ended with... but it just seemed like the set was WAY to short... after all, some of my attention was on the drunk butt-rockers from HELL and trying to keep them off of me!!!! Once the show was over I made it back to our table to get the shirts and hats so that I could hopefully give them to Matt.... after a little waiting around I finally yelled " MATT " and waved one of the hats since he was packing up his gear backstage. He looked up from what he was doing and gave me a grin... he made his over to me and I handed him the stuff.. I really dont know what I said to him execpt " I just wanted to introduce myself...HI, I'm Dena" I then reach my hand out to shake his.( READ... DEATH GRIP!! this guy squezzed my hand SO hard... I couldnt belive it!!! ). and he says to me... " Dana... Hi I'm Matt " well he blotched my name... but I was too into the moment to correct him so Shroomy had to ( Love Ya Babe )...he then repeated my name correctly... Vikki was right though.. he smiles at you as if your his long lost friend... that look will forever be imbeded in my memory ( because I didnt have a camera, DAMN ME!!!) anyway by this time alot of the other sommsters came over to talk to him also...Vikki also introduced herself to him again...(and I swear when he sees her in Chicago he is gonna drop one ) Matt was too funny about seeing Vikki there is Seattle. It seems that he thought that she lived in Barcelona.... but when she replied " I live here " he laughed and said " hey so do I "... I craked up!! well soon after that Matt-ster had to go and finish packing up his gear..and we had to leave also.... but on the way out Ben was standing by the door.... so as we all walked past him we all shook his hand and say something like " good show "...well at least that is what I told him..... I dont really know what the others told him....since I was too into just meeting Matt and knowing that he now has the officail shirts and hats from the SOMMS list!!!!!( GO ME... I know I am SO modest... :)~ ) Vikki, Shroom, and myself got back to the car.. and then headed to IHOP with the list thug and baby thug to rehash the night and tell of our war stories....I did take pictures of VIkki and my bruises for momentos...hehehe... THE END!!!! Well thats it .... as long as it is.. I know that I forgot some vital info... so I am sorry to those of you who were at the show!! There was some info I did leave out.. because if I didnt I would never hear the end of it!!! its late now.. and I need some sleep... BYE!! Dena :)~ The Blessed SOMMS Goddess and newest member of the infamous KTMS ( Thanks Aaron!! I accept a position on you esteemed squad.... but where do I pick up my brass knuckels?) ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: Walpurgis Night Music << For those of you not informed about what Walpurgis Night is: I believe it is the longest night of summer and on the Satanists calandar it is the second most important holiday, after one's birthday." >> Actually walpurgis nacht is celebrated on the night of april 31st. Walpurgis is a celebration of the coming spring.The same day is celebrated in the Wiccan religon but it is called Beltain. The reason for the two spellings of the names is due to two diffrent cultures. Beltain is a celebration of the coming of spring, fertility, the light part of the year and I also believe good crops. I am sure that Walpurgis is also a celebration for the same beliefs. I would tend to think that Matt choose his publishing title after the Walpurgis group that ( thanks Blind Dog )concentrates on " small scale and contemporary opera and music theatre, commisioning composers and artists from within the contemporary performing arts to write and create new works" I guess it could be possible that Matt is a practicing witch... but just knowing that Matt did play with the Seattle Symphony for the song " Black Hole Sun " when the Symphony did thier renditions of the popular Seattle bands songs makes me think otherwise!!! And if I am not mistaken I think it was Matt who re-arranged the song so that it would play better when the symphony did it. well there is my 2 cents . EEESSSHHHHH!!!! Dena :)~ BSG and newest member to the KTMS. ------------------------------ From: Stella Rogers Subject: butow mov clip For those of you who can't play mpgs on your computer, MTV's site has the BUToW clip in .mov form if thats easier for some people. I don't have the exact URL but on MTV.COM's front page theres a place that takes you to the top 20 videos (butow is exactly no. 20) and you can download it from there! stella ------------------------------ From: Lee Christensen Subject: Re: australian and new zealand listers/lurkers rejoice... Hey ya, Greeting this news with much excitment here :) I've been away in Byron Bay for a few days and after much sun, surf, scuba diving and meeting ppl I come home to find this in the inbox :) Can't say I didn't have a great few days!! (BTW going to Byron stay at 'The Arts Factory backpackers lodge' it's a groovy place :) At 09:25 AM 11/5/96 +1000, you wrote: > >> Date City Venue >> Jan 19 Gold Coast, Australia Big Day Out >> Jan 22 Brisbane, Australia Festival Hall > > days. are they coming over to my house to help with the faq? only time >will tell. perhaps there will be a brisbane sommsfest 96? jackhammer? >lee? are you out there?>. I'm there :) Brisbane Sommsfest 97! :) since we get them early in 97 :) Anyone heard from Jackhammer in awhile? maybe South Africa got the better of him. Ok seeing as I have no idea where this info came from or what no, what did you find out about tickets if anything? when can I come down and park my butt outside festival hall :) BTW 'The Heritage' would be one bet of where the band will stay. Pearl Jam stayed there, and that's where I met Eddie so maybe Soundgarden will do the same :) Pester them to help with the FAQ me thinks :) Thanks for the info anyway.....keep me informed...off to hunt down a copy of Time off and Rave for this week :) Any other lurkers from Brissy coming out for this? seeya Lee _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au "Turn it UP and Play it LOUD let the blood rush to your head!!" DEF FX "I'm sorry I was Cruel, I forgot to kiss you....." Magic Dirt CD I'm listening to this week: 'Ivy and the Big Apples' by Spiderbait ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: sg at Planet Hollywood Seth's probably right gang. - -lance- ------------------------------ From: Seth Ward Subject: Re: Let's take a survey Hi again, The comment about CC's low voice vs. the high voice really got me thinking, and I must say I prefer it when they do multiple voc. tracks (which is often) so you have both sounds (sometimes up to 3 or 4?) at the same time. I have always thought that was cool as heck. The best examples of this, in the rare possibility that everyone isn't already fully aware of this and I'm just babbling, are on the last two albums. Whew...talk about your run-on thoughts! Remain, A Different Seth **Living right is easy; what goes wrong you're causing it.~~Drown, by Son Volt** ------------------------------ From: "Michael D. Dziok" Subject: Johnny Cash/Rusty Cage What CD does the Johnny Cash version of Rusty Cage appear on? I looked through all the Johnny Cash albums in plenty of different stores but found nothing. ------------------------------ From: clmiller@mail.usachoice.net (Chris Miller) Subject: sg. . .o' course I may have asked this before but redundancy tends to cycle in my life anyway. . . but does anyone realize why so much great soundgarden stuff gets released overseas and not in the US. I realized that BUTOW single is being released in ???Australia??? only. What the fock is op with thot? Nothing against Aussies, but are they perhaps more appreciative of a clever and innovative band like Soundgarden than we Americans? It pains me when a devoted fan like myself has to pay exorbitant amounts of money to have stuff imported IF I can even get it at all. . .I think that since we are such strong supporters of SG, we should all band together and make THEM (Whomever THEM may be) make more SG stuff available in our own country. . .period! ~~"The lives we make...never seem to ever get us anywhere but dead..." - -C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Nice to meet you. Date sent: 6-NOV-1996 12:10:55 Hi, everyone. I've just joined this list, so I thought I'd introduce myself to you. My name is Michael Apple. I'm 18 years old, and I've been a Soundgarden fan for four years now. My favorite album is Badmotorfinger, and my favorite song is Room A Thousand Years Wide. Soundgarden is what made me want to play guitar. Now, I've been in a grunge rock band for two years (with our first EP coming out in a month.) Our band is called Sphaghnum, and the story behind that name is really long , so I won't tell it here. :) I'm earning a degree at Plattsburgh State University in English. I've written a novel and a television script. Currently I'm collecting info for a biography of Kim Thayil that I'm writing. The Unofficial Soundgarden Site gave me more information than my college's entire periodical database. You guys rock. :) I can't seem to find much info on Kim's childhood or early band experiences (like with Zippy and his Vast Army of Pinheads.) Does anyone have any articles or anything on that? I also can't find out much about his family or childhood. If someone could give me some info, I'd really be grateful. Also, I live in Plattsburgh, NY (across Lake Champlain from Burlington , VT), and I was wondering if Soundgarden has any plans on playing here. I have their tour schedule for Fall 1996, but the closest place listed is NYC (six hours away.) I hope they play here, because only two grunge rock bands have played here before: Foo Fighters and Candlebox (and Candlebox wasn't part of the older scene, like, Deep Six and stuff. :( ) Well, it's nice to meet you all. See ya around. Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: "Jamie C." Subject: Fighting at concerts I read this yesterday..... > All I can say is AAAUUUUUGGHHHH!!! It was an AWESOME night... with the > exception of the moshers from hell. But don't worry, kiddies... the KTMS > kicked serious bootie. Vikki beat the hell out of several people (including > one guy that probably ended up with a concussion, hehehehe). To all the people who decided to fight at the Hater show: you are all just as bad as those drunk jocks for joining them in their little game. i hope you all feel fucking proud. praying i never get stuck at a concert with barbarians like shroom and co. +jamie c.+ ******************************** "You and I are not the same.... you like everything." (I Mother Earth-"Three Days Old") ******************************** "two of us, that's dangerous" (Smashing Pumpkins-"Frail and Bedazzled") ******************************** ------------------------------ From: DeeDee Bradshaw-Autry Subject: Re: sg. . .o' course before you get too puffy about having to pay 'exorbitant' amounts for singles because they were released in australia you might consider just how much the aussies have to pay for all the US released stuff...along the lines of $30 US...thats a mighty pretty penny when you consider we are only paying about $10... just my thoughts... DeeDee...list southernbelle.... At 12:14 PM 11/6/96 -0500, you wrote: >I may have asked this before but redundancy tends to cycle in my life >anyway. . . but does anyone realize why so much great soundgarden stuff >gets released overseas and not in the US. I realized that BUTOW single >is being released in ???Australia??? only. What the fock is op with >thot? Nothing against Aussies, but are they perhaps more appreciative >of a clever and innovative band like Soundgarden than we Americans? It >pains me when a devoted fan like myself has to pay exorbitant amounts of >money to have stuff imported IF I can even get it at all. . .I think >that since we are such strong supporters of SG, we should all band >together and make THEM (Whomever THEM may be) make more SG stuff >available in our own country. . .period! > >~~"The lives we make...never seem to ever get us anywhere but dead..." >-C. Cornell > ******************************************************************************** Dee Dee Bradshaw-Autry "Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing..." TOOL "This is what it looks like, this is what is feels like, this is what it tastes like...this is what you've done to me..." Stabbing Westward "Be careful with me...I am fragile. Im a bitch babe...and Im on fire" Garbage http://www.infochase.com/ent/deedee/index.html ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: alexander ebora Subject: Re: lets take a survey > > i was listening to soundgarden the other day, as i usually do, and > really realized for the first time that chris cornell has two different > voices he sings with. there is the deep voice (fell on black days, black > hole sun), and then there is his more high pitched voice (jesus christ pose, > pretty noose). i was just wondering which voice you people out there > preferred. > anthony > i prefer the high-pitched voice (birth ritual, nothing to say, entering and little joe (?)) over the deep voice (room a thousand years wide (?)). it has more kick but it is more difficult (almost impossible) to recreate (?) in a live setting. sorry about the "(?)"s. my brain needs a tune up today... Never_Named ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: Fighting at concerts On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Jamie C. wrote: > I read this yesterday..... > > > All I can say is AAAUUUUUGGHHHH!!! It was an AWESOME night... with the > > exception of the moshers from hell. But don't worry, kiddies... the KTMS > > kicked serious bootie. Vikki beat the hell out of several people (including > > one guy that probably ended up with a concussion, hehehehe). > > To all the people who decided to fight at the Hater show: > you are all just as bad as those drunk jocks for joining them in their > little game. > i hope you all feel fucking proud. excuse me... can't you READ?? you weren't even fucking THERE. it was a matter of SELF DEFENSE... vikki, poor poor vikki, TRIED not to get involved. she just didn't react... but she's this toothpick of a woman and if she hadn't pushed back she would have probably been in the hospital right now. i would have much preferred if i had my own boyfriend taking care of ME but if chris (mansfield) hadn't been trying to police eveyrone in our group, vikki would have gotten seriously hurt, aaron would be in jail (so would ryan), and shroom and dena would have been more injured than they already were. when dena was in the bahtroom at my house the day after the show we heard her going 'ouch!' and when she came out she told us about all these bruises that she didn't even realize that she had. there is only so many times you can have some guys hand grabbing you before you turn around and push him away from you with every bit of force you can muster. that's not playing their little game, that's fighting back. period. we're making a joke about it because otherwise we'd just be fucking depressed that the event that many of us waited for for MONTHS (and/or travelled thousands of miles to be at) was ruined by a bunch of drunk fuckheads. > praying i never get stuck at a concert with barbarians like shroom and > co. get off your fucking self-righteous pedestal and stop judging people when you WEREN'T EVEN THERE. my nose STILL hurts. my body fucking ACHES in certain spots still from last week. you don't know what we went through... so how DARE you make these kind of judgements. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Fighting at concerts Jamie C. whined: >To all the people who decided to fight at the Hater show: >you are all just as bad as those drunk jocks for joining them in their >little game. To answer this totally inane comment: You OBVIOUSLY have not comprehended SHIT about what's been posted regarding the Hater show. We had no choice in fighting with those fucked up moshers. Leaving our spots wasn't an option, because we had gotten there early to claim them. We even sat through Kent 3 (ick) just to keep those spots. What did you expect us to do... give up and move to the back just because a bunch of guys (whose mothers should have drowned them at birth) wanted to be where we were, and were willing to use brute force to get there? I don't fucking think so. And let me tell you this, little boy... if someone is gonna push me, grab me, or do something else to hurt me physically... then by God, I'm going to fucking hurt them back. I don't care what ANYONE else says about it... that's just me. (I have to add here... Terry, you RULE!) And if I CAN'T hurt them physically, then I'll find another way to get them back (such as grabbing that guys glasses, and stomping the shit out of them... he shouldn't have pushed and spit on me. Maybe next time he'll think twice about messing with someone smaller than him). Yes, I'm a vindictive little bitch... and I'm very happy being that way. >i hope you all feel fucking proud. I'm very proud of the way that ALL of us held our own against those fucking idiots. We didn't instigate ANYTHING during that show... we just defended ourselves when they tried to hurt or move us. We did NOTHING wrong. Jeez... we couldn't even get ahold of a security guard to put a stop to the moshing, because there WERE no security guards. We were on our own, and we handled ourselves like pros. >praying i never get stuck at a concert with barbarians like shroom and >co. Hey... leave me alone during shows, and I'll leave YOU alone. But if you bother me, I'll make damned sure that you don't enjoy the show any more than I do. End of story. Shroom "God hates you. He told me." ~ Slow Roosevelt "Everybody's just a pawn in the game, so make your fuckin' move cuz I'm gonna do the same" ~ Skatenigs "Can you hear the violins playing your song?" ~ Pantera ------------------------------ From: "mcinturff, dylan" Subject: More Hater-related questions. Does anyone who was at the Hater show recall what guitars and amps that Ben used? Also, I too am interested in the set list. Did they play Mona Bone Jackon? What about Roadside (Brian Wood sang that on the record, but I think Ben doubled his part, so they COULD still do it without Brian). Just wondering. Dylan ------------------------------ From: "Ella''" Subject: Re: sg. . .o' course >together and make THEM (Whomever THEM may be) make more SG stuff >available in our own country. . .period! Try to live in mexico without any b-sides released, not even the first albums! that's sad :( Mariana ____________________________________________________________ Puedo delirar contemplandote, viendote brincar solo predicar que este planeta esta perdido y es mejor pasarsela dormido. Paco Huidobro ------------------------------ From: Adrianne Daniel Wilson Subject: Denver If anyone is going to the Denver concert tommorw, have fun! I wish I could go I have a class I absoulutly can't miss! I tried to get out of but the prof. said if I miss the class my grade will drop! Adrianne ------------------------------ From: CAMPBELLCG@bvu.edu Subject: Alive in the Superunknown Does anyone have the CD-ROM, Alive in the Superunknown? I've seen it at a music shop, but didn't have the cash at the time. So I was wondering what it is like. It looked pretty cool though. biff 3, count 'em 3, slow, dragging days to go as the Chigago-bound SOMMS freaks count the hours. I know I can't sleep at night! ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: More Hater-related questions. let me repeat this since it's obvious that most of you don't understand: we are lucky we remember that there was a *SHOW*. we may remember a song or two. vikki has the set list, but she also has a full course load and i'm sure se'll post it when she has the time. we momst certainly weren't able to identify what GUITARS anyone used. i can tell you taht ben played bass but he didn't play for more than a song or two before throwing it on the floor in disgust. also, matt used a blonde wood drumkit, not his standard black ayotte one. (this looks like the drumkit jimmy chamberlain borrowed last year when the pumpkins came through and their equipment was stuck in portland - they borrowed from pearl jam, alice in chains and sg.) - --caryn On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, mcinturff, dylan wrote: > Does anyone who was at the Hater show recall what guitars and > amps that Ben used? Also, I too am interested in the set list. Did > they play Mona Bone Jackon? What about Roadside (Brian Wood sang > that on the record, but I think Ben doubled his part, so they COULD > still do it without Brian). Just wondering. > Dylan > ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: can we STOP this stupid thread? the person who posted the idiotic message comparing eddie to chris was clearly a troll. most of us managed to ignore it, realizing that the whole point of the message was to get us worked up. unfortunately, it got recycled when the mit mail server went bezerk again. really... this discussion is about as pointless as the 'eddie vedder could never sing in front of matt cameron's drumming' one. you don't like eddie, that's fine. you like eddie, that's fine. can we leave it at that unless you have some brilliant point that none of us have considered? has anyone gone to see 'hype!' yet? has it started playing anywhere outside of seattle? - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: hype! contest there's a contest on the (lame) rollingstone web site to win free tickets to a screening of 'hype!' if you live in the following cities: atlanta minneapolis boston philadelphia los angeles portland san francisco go to http://www.ishops.com/cgi-bin/hypeonline and fill out the form to enter. good luck! ;-) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Re: sg at Planet Hollywood Seth wrote: > > Also, at the risk of being a copycat, I'm thinking of contacting Silver Mgmt. > > about passes for us listmembers who are going to the Atlanta show. So what > > do you think and how many of you are going? > > I would strongly advise that anyone who is planning to do this think > twice. It's miraculous enough that Silver Management even acknowledged > this list in the first place, and even more amazing that they agreed > to set something up specifically for list members. > > I'm very much of the opinion that we shouldn't push our luck. I > imagine they have more than enough to do right now without people > asking for more favors. If people write and say "You did it for the > Chicago shows, why won't you do it for X?" they're more likely to get > annoyed than to start granting all kinds of access to people all over > the world just for the sake of being "fair." > I agree with Seth 100%. The truth is, I did not write Silver Management asking for backstage passes. I wrote and told them that a bunch of us were going to the Chicago shows and were planning a mini SOMMS convention (there are over 20 of us going to these shows). I asked if there was any way our devotion to the band could be recognised, and said that even a nod in our direction would make our day. I never dreamed that they would set up this meeting, and I agree that it was a terrific stroke of luck. So all of you who have been emailing me asking how to get backstage passes: I don't know! This meeting was the idea of Silver Management and we will be forever in debt to them, and to Erin Haley for all her work to organize it. I think it would be terrible to assume that just because they are doing it for us that they SHOULD be doing it for everyone. So I would suggest that if you write to Silver Management you don't come out and ask for passes because I can almost guarantee you that that isn't going to work. Stay humble and write as a fan and who knows? Mystified at our good luck, Kathie ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: Re: blowing up the outside world in my jesus christ pose >Hi, I have seen the BUTOW video twice now. I couldn't believe it at >frist but Chris is in a symblolic Jesus Christ Pose, notice at the end >where if you look at the shadow on the floor it looks just like a >cross n someone being on that cross. That was really far out because >the shadow is coming into that room were they are not going out like >it should, depending wear the light is. Maybe I have just been studing >shadows too long.(or maybe I am just confused.) I think somehow SG >vidoes are being linked to other SG videos. But this may just be my >pyscho weird opinion, but as I see it there are alot of things related >in Bimh you see that tree light on fire n Chris looks as if he has >some kind of telepathic type power n he did it with his mind in BUTOW >he seems to blow up the the screen those doctor or whoever they are >are forcing him to look at. Some people say Why the hell do they have >chris in a chair. Well it could be they are testing him for telepathic >powers or maybe becuz he did kill that girl in the PN video somehow it >all links together for me. But this is just all my warped point of >veiw. I was just wondering if any one noticed the shadow on the floor? > > > > > > >I am just a babbling fool really, >Michele I don't think you're far off on the idea about the JCP imagery in the video. You even went so far as too say you saw it in the shadows. Good observation! Now I'm going to look at that vid again when I go home and look for that. If a lot of people on this list say that the JCP is in the video, it very well may be the director's intent. RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Re: Hater show Caryn I was really sorry to hear about your experience at the Hater show. But I think you guys are wrong to transfer your feelings about what Hater did (or should I say didn't do) to Soundgarden - obviously even though they share two of the same members they are not the same band. And while I can't say similar things won't happen at the Soundgarden shows, I think we should give them the benefit of the doubt until we know for sure. Besides, there IS security at the Aragon, and they've been known to be pretty Neanderthal. From what I've seen in the past, the asshole moshers got it pretty bad from security. So, we'll just have to wait and see. I mean we're talking about a place referred to as the Aragon "Brawlroom". I find it hard to blame ALL audience behaviour on the band (although Ben certainly should have taken responsibility for his own behaviour). I do agree that mosh pits have to go - I find the whole idea incredibly stupid. I guess right now I'm pretty starry-eyed about Soundgarden and Silver Management, considering how nice they've been to those of us attending the Chicago shows. I DO get the feeling that we matter to them, very much, and I have been incredibly impressed at the effort made to accomodate us. I think it is very sad if Soundgarden loses fans because of a Hater show. Maybe they need to do something about Ben's attitude and behaviour. Kathie ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: Re: lets take a survey >i was listening to soundgarden the other day, as i usually do, and >really realized for the first time that chris cornell has two different >voices he sings with. there is the deep voice (fell on black days, black >hole sun), and then there is his more high pitched voice (jesus christ pose, >pretty noose). i was just wondering which voice you people out there >preferred. >anthony Chris is one of my favorite vocalists of all time. I would have to say that I like both of his voices. His "lower" voice is probably best used on acoustic numbers like "Seasons" and the acoustic version of "Like Suicide". When he gets high pitched on songs like "Overfloater", "Mailman", and "Jesus Christ Pose", I can just FEEL it. It's not a feeling I can describe with words. Most of the SOMMSters must know what I'm talking about. Sorry, but I can't say I like one more than the other. Chris Cornell without one of his types of voices is like cookies without milk. RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: Hater show On Wed, 6 Nov 1996 oponfam@cnsnet.com wrote: > Caryn I was really sorry to hear about your experience at the Hater > show. But I think you guys are wrong to transfer your feelings about > what Hater did (or should I say didn't do) to Soundgarden - obviously > even though they share two of the same members they are not the same > band. the fact that they acted with reckless disregard in a venue that is at least partially owned by one of them -- i'm sorry, but it DOES have bearing on them. matt and ben ARE members of soundgarden. > And while I can't say similar things won't happen at the > Soundgarden shows, I think we should give them the benefit of the doubt > until we know for sure. that wasn't my point. my point was, how could they let the situation that happened, happen? they had total control there. they chose to ignore it. > to as the Aragon "Brawlroom". I find it hard to blame ALL audience > behaviour on the band (although Ben certainly should have taken > responsibility for his own behaviour). i never blame audience behavior on the band. i did in this case because they incited it and did nothing to stop it when there was no security. they certainly could have gotten the bouncers from the front room to come in an dbreak things up if they didn't want to step in or address the audience themselves. they didn't. hmmm, what does this say? (it also says something about the ok hotel, and i'll certainly take that into account when going to see a show there in future, IF i choose to). > I guess right now I'm pretty starry-eyed about Soundgarden and Silver > Management, considering how nice they've been to those of us attending > the Chicago shows. *humph* yes, and since we know that there are lurkers on the list, let us not say anything that might revoke our precious backstage passes. hey -- wait to see what you get from them before being so starry-eyed. do any of you really know what a 'walk-through' means? it doesn't mean you get to hang out backstage with the band like in some MTV contest fantasy. i could be wrong; i'll be interested to see. > I DO get the feeling that we matter to them, very > much, and I have been incredibly impressed at the effort made to > accomodate us. not to be jaded or anything, but have you ever heard of public relations? i'd like to think this was a genuine offer of appreciation. part of me knows better. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: estevez Subject: Re: Alive in the Superunknown On Wed, 6 Nov 1996 CAMPBELLCG@bvu.edu wrote: > > Does anyone have the CD-ROM, Alive in the Superunknown? I've seen it > at a music shop, but didn't have the cash at the time. So I was wondering what > it is like. It looked pretty cool though. > biff > > 3, count 'em 3, slow, dragging days to go as the Chigago-bound SOMMS > freaks count the hours. I know I can't sleep at night! > I have the Alive in the Superunknown CD-Rom and let me tell you it is worth every cent you pay for it. It is so cool. It has the video clips for BHS, The day I tried to live, Fell on Black days and two computer graphic videos for SuperUnknown. It also has a live video of kickstand and part of My Wave and it has an interview with all the band members, and much much more. I strongly recommend that you by it. I guarantee that you will love it. ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Ben's Guitar Ben was using what appeared to be a early to mid 60's Fender Jaguar. It was white, and has been used alot, according to it's condition. Aaron, the ever observant Chicago bound List Thug and Somms Sheriff. ------------------------------ From: iawake@ix.netcom.com (Chris (SGardnGrl)) Subject: SG @ Universal Amp. Any people that are interested in seeing SG in L.A play Universal Amp. should pay close attention to this: I have 2 tickets available *for sale* to the December 1st (sold out) show. They are 11th row ORCH. I am selling them for what I bought them for. Anyone who is interested in entering the drawing, please email me privatly. *They will be sold only by the pair.* I will draw the lucky winner on Friday November 15th. And will contact the winner privately by email. Good Luck! If you have any further questions, please feel free to email me. - -Christy ------------------------------ From: Cynthia Siragusa Subject: SG in NYC Attn: NYC bound SOMMSters The closest meeting place/watering hole to Roseland (West 53rd Street near 8th Ave.) is "Ye Olde Tripple Inn" at 263 West 54th Street near 8th Ave., next to "Little Bangkok" restaurant. Please accept my apology in advance. I know many of you already have told me who's going and what nights, but if you could please do it again and include real names along with your email. I'll compile the list and post it. I am Priority Mailing to our dear Sethmaster some pics of me (I know, took me long enough) so I'll be more easily identifiable. Seth should get them up for next week, barring an act of God, US Postal Service, or worse, MIT. 9 days!!! OHMYGOD!!! Wallowing in the blood and mud with all the other pigs, I am Cyn ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: up all night at kevin's... On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Soundgarden wrote: > PHOTOGRAPHY OF KEVIN WESTENBERG > Over the last eight years, Kevin Westenberg has created stunning photographs > of many of the greatest figures in modern music, including Soundgarden, > Bjork, Trent Reznor, PJ Harvey, Red Hot Chili Peppers, David Bowie, and many > others. His work has been featured on album covers, books and magazines and > has regularly appeared in the music press in Europe and the US. In this I'm sure everyone got this particular message from speakeasy, but if you have yet to sneek a peek at the soundgarden content, go and do it now. while there are only three pictures of the band (one of them difficult to even decipher, no less), they are pretty cool. you can probably discard the first blue one, which I think was taken as a promo for superunk (I've seen a similar one in yellow). but make an effort to see the second and third links. the second one is the black hole sun picture, which I originally thought was a drawing of some kind, but is actually a photo. the blurb that stands beside it is *excellent* material for the faq :) the third is an alternate to the cover of dotu. perhaps we may rekindle an old debate and argue about who is who? I wager that the figures from left to right are: kim, ben, chris (in a rather gumby-ish jcp) and matt. any takers? for those with fast 'd' keys: imusic.interserv.com/features/westenberg/soundgarden1.html ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: Re: lets take a survey From: soundgrdn3@juno.com (M R) My favorite "Chris voice" is in "Pushin' Forward Back" (Temple of the Dog) when he keeps repeating the word "drown"...does anyone else think that's cool? - --Mel "Who took your faith and replaced it with sanity?"--Sweet Water, "Win" ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: my heart's bleeding, I'm dying to leave... On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Lee Christensen wrote: > (BTW going to Byron stay at 'The Arts Factory backpackers lodge' it's a > groovy place :) I went down there recently with my girlfriend, and we found the camping grounds (called the sun something-or-other) downtown pretty accomodating also. just watch out for those coastal winds. they played havoc with our tent :) > I'm there :) Brisbane Sommsfest 97! since we get them early in 97 :) > Anyone heard from Jackhammer in awhile? maybe South Africa got the better of > Ok seeing as I have no idea where this info came from or what no, what did I have a feeling that silentjoe and I will probably be getting into town at around 4 or 5 am. since jackhammer hasn't subbed back on, you may have heard that carolyn has forwarded him the necessary documents. I don't imagine that there will be hordes of people getting there very early (not like the pumpkins or pj. for those not fortunate enough to live in this wonderful burg, tickets to pj - approx. 5000 from memory - actually sold out in *15* minutes), but just in case there are more sg fans in brisbane than I thought, we'll be in there earlier than most. like I said earlier, I'll probably be in my hendrix tshirt, but maybe you could take a look in the member directory to see what I really look like? I've seen jackhammer in there, but you are sadly remiss :( in more news to hand - I walked down to the ticket office at festival hall yesterday while waiting for my train, to see how things were. the show is definitely on for the 22nd of january and tickets go on sale this monday (the 11th). I have the very first press advertisment for same in front of me, interestingly the final lineup is not complete. so far the bill stands at soundgarden and you am I, but there is still one more band to be added. perhaps we will be graced with powderfinger, regurgitator or the superjesus? I realise that a hater/wwc support is out of the question, so maybe we will get one of those three :) small musing - the band must have really enjoyed their tour here in 1994. the above show coincides almost to the exact date (only two days out) with the corresponding show of 94, held at the sweaty, humid and alcoholic confines of the roxy. silentjoe tells me that at one point chris yelled "hey, give me my ring back" and looked like he was going to jump into the audience. apparently some buffoon in the crowd had stolen a ring off his finger as chris leant into the crowd. but I guess that hasn't soured the experience enough for them to pass us by this time 'round. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Kathy Toth" Subject: RE: Soundgarden Video Collection Wanted Dave Wrote,, I was wondering if anyone on the list has all the full and uncut for the videos of these songs that SG has ever made up until Superunknown: The Day I Tried To Live My Wave Black Hole Sun Spoonman Fell On Black Days Superunknown Jesus Christ Pose Rusty Cage Outshined Loud Love Hands All Over Flower Temple of the Dog-Hunger Strike (original unedited version) I haven't seen all videos for all these songs, since MTV never plays any of them in regular rotation and it would be really be cool to see them. If someone can put tape them onto a normal VHS tape for me, I would gladly pay you shipping and the extra bucks for your time and effort! Thanks, Dave I too would gladly pay money for shipping and for all the hard work if someeone taped it for me!! Please e-mail me if someone can!! Thanks,, Brian ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Moshing. Date sent: 6-NOV-1996 20:47:11 Hey, guys. I couldn't help but notice the talk about moshing at the Hater show, and what Ben Shepherd did, when that guy annoyed him. First of all, moshing is completely safe when you know how to do it right. Just keep your arms tucked in and slam around, and no one will get hurt. Most injuries from moshing occur when people don't know how to doit right and punch and kick their way through the crowd. Also, the possibility of death from moshing is greatly exaggerated. Only one death has occurred from moshing, and that was because a guy climbed up onto the stage to dive, and a security guy grabbed him by the back of the head. The guy fell short of the crowd and broke his neck. As for Ben's actions, I think they were great (except for the fact that he hit the wrong person. I'm sure that he'd feel bad about that if he knew. :( ) If someone is stupid enough to spit on an aggressive guy like Ben, they deserve to have their teeth knocked out. It's just unfortunate that the wrong person got hit. I've moshed at two concerts (Live, and Sponge) and I've never gotten hurt, other than small bruises from crowdsurfing. I respect all your opinions, but moshing is definitely NOT a serious problem. Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: RE: lets take a survey >>My favorite "Chris voice" is in "Pushin' Forward Back" (Temple of the Dog) when he keeps repeating the word "drown"...does anyone else think that's cool? Ahhhh, yes, Mel, that is one of my absolute favorite parts of ToTD, in fact I think the CD is worn out on that spot from playing that word over and over and over....Actually, I think the vocals on ToTD are some of Chris' best ever. And as much as I am in total awe of his high pitched "screams", there is nothing to me like his deep stuff, i.e. the beginning of LIMO WRECK makes me particularly breathless. "don' t ask me why..." trying to stay calm in Ohio, Eliza LEAVING THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW! ------------------------------ From: KJack35917@aol.com Subject: re: SG at Planet Hollywood Seth wrote: >I would strongly advise that anyone who is planning to do this think >twice. It's miraculous enough that Silver Management even acknowledged >this list in the first place, and even more amazing that they agreed >to set something up specifically for list members. >I'm very much of the opinion that we shouldn't push our luck. I >imagine they have more than enough to do right now without people >asking for more favors. If people write and say "You did it for the >Chicago shows, why won't you do it for X?" they're more likely to get >annoyed than to start granting all kinds of access to people all over >the world just for the sake of being "fair." I think it is wonderful, but really not so amazing, that they're doing this in Chicago. As I'm sure you know, most bands do meet-n-greets before or after a show with fans such as us in attendance, but I _certainly_ don't want to "annoy" anyone, so I won't pursue it. Karen ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: shave your head and burn your sheets... On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, KERAK wrote: > Currently I'm collecting info for a biography of Kim Thayil that I'm > writing. The Unofficial Soundgarden Site gave me more information than my > college's entire periodical database. You guys rock. :) > I can't seem to find much info on Kim's childhood or early band > experiences (like with Zippy and his Vast Army of Pinheads.) Does anyone > have any articles or anything on that? I also can't find out much about > his family or childhood. If someone could give me some info, I'd really be > grateful. for anyone who wants to read a quality article on kim, direct your attention to the articles published in _indians abroad_ (dec.2 94) and maybe even the _chicago sun times_ (may 19 96). there is some good material in both of those. there is also the story with kim from _guitar world_ (march 91). ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: al589553@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (Juan Pablo Gutiirrez) Subject: SG in Houston Hi Soundgarden fans, I'm going to the Houston concert but I live in Monterrey, Mexico, so i need information of good hotels near the International Ballroom and the rate per night. Thanks. Juan Pablo PD: German fans can please e-mail me privately I need to ask you a few things. ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Re: Hater show Caryn wrote in response to my post: > > I guess right now I'm pretty starry-eyed about Soundgarden and Silver > > Management, considering how nice they've been to those of us attending > > the Chicago shows. > *humph* yes, and since we know that there are lurkers on the list, let us > not say anything that might revoke our precious backstage passes. OK. I suppose you wouldn't want to protect YOUR chance to get backstage. Besides, that has nothing to do with my post - I didn't have to respond at all, but I honestly think its sad if you hold it against Soundgarden that Hater did something you didn't like. > hey -- wait to see what you get from them before being so starry-eyed. do > any of you really know what a 'walk-through' means? it doesn't mean you > get to hang out backstage with the band like in some MTV contest fantasy. > i could be wrong; i'll be interested to see. > > > I DO get the feeling that we matter to them, very > > much, and I have been incredibly impressed at the effort made to > > accomodate us. > > not to be jaded or anything, but have you ever heard of public relations? > i'd like to think this was a genuine offer of appreciation. part of me > knows better. > You know what Caryn, sometimes I wonder why you're even on this list. You don't seem to care much for Soundgarden anymore. And no, just because Ben and Matt are in Hater I don't see how that relates to Soundgarden. It does say something about THEM (Ben and Matt) but not about Soundgarden. You have no idea what I've been discussing with Silver Management because I have chosen not to put on the list things that only concern a small segment of the list. Of course I've heard of public relations, it happens to be the business my husband is in. And Erin made it very clear what a "walk-through" was. However, since then there have been further developments that those of us who are going will be sure to share with the list after the show. Perhaps I'm naive, but I DO believe in the sincerity of Silver Management and I don't know why you feel the need to try to lessen what those of us who are involved find to be a very exciting thing. I think part of you wants to know better, but I know you are wrong. Kathie ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Re: lets take a survey >i was listening to soundgarden the other day, as i usually do, and >really realized for the first time that chris cornell has two different >voices he sings with. there is the deep voice (fell on black days, black >hole sun), and then there is his more high pitched voice (jesus christ pose, >pretty noose). i was just wondering which voice you people out there >preferred. >anthony wow, that is a TOUGH question. on songs like "beyond the wheel" with out the stratospheric vocals, i think the song would lose the impact is has. on "FoBD," without the crooning low register, IT would lose the impact it has. i really can't decide. i love his voice up and down, high and low. it's just amazing and i'm EXTREMELY jealous of chris. one of the thing's i've always wanted to be able to do in my life was sing, and to sit and hear him ripping those high notes off in the song "SU" and then dipping down to the harmony part behind the bridge ("get yrself containted..."ect.) i just go "damn...i wish i was half that great." so, to answer yr question... i just love chris's voice in entirety. sorry if that was the weak way out... :) mind riot ____ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i'm tied within i'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: KERAK Subject: Re: shave your head and burn your sheets... Date sent: 6-NOV-1996 22:17:51 Thanks for helping me out on this one, blind dog. It's appreciated. >On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, KERAK wrote: > >> Currently I'm collecting info for a biography of Kim Thayil that I'm >> writing. The Unofficial Soundgarden Site gave me more information than my >> college's entire periodical database. You guys rock. :) >> I can't seem to find much info on Kim's childhood or early band >> experiences (like with Zippy and his Vast Army of Pinheads.) Does anyone >> have any articles or anything on that? I also can't find out much about >> his family or childhood. If someone could give me some info, I'd really be >> grateful. > > for anyone who wants to read a quality article on kim, direct your >attention to the articles published in _indians abroad_ (dec.2 94) and >maybe even the _chicago sun times_ (may 19 96). there is some good >material in both of those. there is also the story with kim from _guitar >world_ (march 91). I haven't heard of Indians Abroad before. Is it circulated in the US? Do you know if it has an online achive? My university's library doesn't carry the Chicago Sun Times. Is the Sun Times online? Michael Apple 60C Wilson Hall SUNY Plattsburgh Plattsburgh, NY 12901 appl1115@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Hater show At 08:51 PM 11/6/96 -0600, oponfam@cnsnet.com wrote: >Caryn wrote in response to my post: > >> > I guess right now I'm pretty starry-eyed about Soundgarden and Silver >> > Management, considering how nice they've been to those of us attending >> > the Chicago shows. > >> *humph* yes, and since we know that there are lurkers on the list, let us >> not say anything that might revoke our precious backstage passes. > >OK. I suppose you wouldn't want to protect YOUR chance to get backstage. if i was in your postion, i would. undoubtedly. but let's just call a spade a spade, then, shall we? >Besides, that has nothing to do with my post - I didn't have to respond >at all, but I honestly think its sad if you hold it against Soundgarden >that Hater did something you didn't like. how can you ignore that fully ONE HALF of soundgarden are in hater? it's not like john mc bain was an asshole and so i decided to be angry at soundgarden. i'm angry at soundgarden because of the actions of half of the band! why is this so unthinkable? >You know what Caryn, sometimes I wonder why you're even on this list. oooh... kathie, are you now judging soundgarden-worthiness? i mean, i guess i'm not a real soundgarden fan because i bother to question the morals and standards of two of the group members, or because i decided not to go to chicago. oh well. until seth throws me off, or *i* decide to leave, i'm here. >You don't seem to care much for Soundgarden anymore. and gee, this turn of events has been since when? ....since, let's see, hmmm, the hater show was October 31. it's now november 6. it hasn't even been a week, and suddenly, I 'don't seem to care much for soundgarden anymore.' no, not at all. i only: - --sat up last night after logging off to send in the info on the 'hype!' boxed set, detailed info, so that anyone else on this list who might want it wouldn't lose out on the chance - --ran into the 'hype!' contest on the web while doing work research this morning and took time out to send it to the list so that listers would know about it - --sat up with the rest of the gang last friday night making video captures for *seth's* web page (once we were done making some for my pearl jam page, admittedly; but we did stay up late to get this stuff) just because i am going to dare to question the band that so many of us respect doesn't make me a lesser fan. don't you dare tell me how to judge my appreciation of this band. this is unlike you, kathie. >And no, just >because Ben and Matt are in Hater I don't see how that relates to >Soundgarden. It does say something about THEM (Ben and Matt) but not >about Soundgarden. i don't like everclear -- although i think they used to be a damn fine live band who worked their asses off to get where they are -- because the lead singer beats his wife (or did in the past. let's not get into this debate here). i think it says something about the band. i won't buy their albums or go to their shows any longer. i think it's morally reprehensible. i think ben and matt's conduct towards their fans at that show was reprehensible. they had many courses of action they could have taken and they chose to do NOTHING. their attitudes as private citizens most certainly DO carry over into their band affiliation. >You have no idea what I've been discussing with Silver Management >because I have chosen not to put on the list things that only concern a >small segment of the list. okay, here we go: "i know something but i'm not telling" "aren't we ALL so special that we get to meet the band and the rest of the list doesn't". that's bullshit and it's disgusting. what elitism. how unfair to the rest of the list to wave this in our faces like this. make us all feel like shit. no wonder you don't want anyone else to contact silver management (although i have to say that i agree with you. however, i don't think that we're entitled to any special treatment whatsoever) >Of course I've heard of public relations, it >happens to be the business my husband is in. oh, like i'm supposed to know this? it's not exactly in your member profile, kathie. >And Erin made it very clear >what a "walk-through" was. ...but everyone on this list who is going is acting like it's 'party with the band' time. i just don't want to see more people's expectations get shattered when it's not what they think it is. i didn't say anything earlier because i knew this is the kind of defensive, protective reaction it would receive. >However, since then there have been further >developments that those of us who are going will be sure to share with >the list after the show. oh boy... here we go again. 'we are all just SOOOOOO special and we have this BIG SECRET that we can't tell you!' really, kathie. i know you're excited but i do think this is uncalled for. it's great that you stepped up to the plate and actually contacted silver management, instead of being like other people who expect someone to do it for them. you wanted this to happen so you took steps to make it happen. but this does NOT make you all more special than the rest of us, or more of a soundgarden fan than the rest of us. >Perhaps I'm naive, but I DO believe in the >sincerity of Silver Management and I don't know why you feel the need to >try to lessen what those of us who are involved find to be a very >exciting thing. I think part of you wants to know better, but I know >you are wrong. you don't know anything yet, now do you Kathie? i just might know more about what's going on than you know. and since you're not going to share your special little secret with the rest of us who are so unworthy, I can't possibly debate anything further. i am happy for you and jamie and toni and andrea and aaron and liza and the people that i know who will be at the show who are excited about it. i am excited because they are excited. if i was going, i'd be going with the rest of the gang. it is not something i would want to organize for the shows here, but again, i totally admire and respect you for getting this together. but i do think it is out of line for you to question why i am on this list and my soundgarden 'fanness'. i will question this band and any other band that i care about if i choose to. that is my right and personally i feel it is my duty as a loyal fan. can we not let the fact that some people are getting backstage passes cloud our vision? the band did not suddenly become saints overnight. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: congrats to seth ...on reaching over 200,000 hits on the page. ;-) great graphic, btw! so, who was the 200,000th? and what did they get as a prize? something to rival chris mackenzie's prize for being the 100,000th, i'm sure. ;-> - --caryn ------------------------------ From: "V. Anselmo" Subject: Hater set list They didn't play all 17 of these songs but this is how the set list reads: Fever Saint Wish On Zombie Otis & Mike Curtis I Want You Uncontrolled Who Do All Good Walk Alone Circles Down Undershoe Down Pour Bad Boy Nancy Convicted Whatsever - -Vikki :) ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: doh!... I forgot to mention that tickets to soundgarden at festival hall in brisbane are only $38. pretty excellent since you don't normally get tickets to these types of shows here for less than $40. also, thanks to vikki for getting the hater setlist onto the list proper. last question, and then I'll shut up so your wounds can heal: was the new material much the same as the ten songs from their first record, or were there a couple of curve-balls in there? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: Re: congrats to seth From: seth > ...on reaching over 200,000 hits on the page. ;-) great graphic, btw! and thank you to everyone. seriously: you have my sincere gratitude for making the site what it is. i'm more proud of it every time someone new steps up and offers to contribute something. (the graphic is... well... sort of my fooling around with the new type mask tool in photoshop 4.0. i cut it out of a collage i did a long time ago. glad you like it.) > so, who was the 200,000th? and what did they get as a prize? something to > rival chris mackenzie's prize for being the 100,000th, i'm sure. ;-> there's actually a (somewhat) interesting story behind the 200000th. i got home from work, loaded up the page (as i always do; hits from my machine are not reflected in the counter), and noticed that it was much closer to the big 200k than i thought it was going to be. so i reloaded it. and reloaded it again. and i realized that someone was intentionally reloading it somewhere else just to bring it to 200k. in about 20 seconds, there were more than 100 hits, bringing it to about 199890. so i logged in and removed the counter from the page. :) i hadn't yet modified the counter script so that it would do something special when it was at 200000. i put the counter back after about 5 minutes of toying with the script, and about two minutes later, the 200000th visitor emailed me with the necessary secret code to claim his prize (he chose a copy of the rockview interview cd [which was snatched out from under caryn's nose at newbury comics -- that's what you get for grabbing the bimh vinyl :)] from the options i gave him). i believe his name is scott goss, and he's not on the list as far as i know. and i suppose i owe mr. mackenzie something cool for 100000... :) wow, what a boring story. sorry about that. seth ------------------------------ Subject: Ben and the OK Hotel From: seth Just a word from Silver Mgmt: "Ben does not OWN the OK Hotel - not even a little bit." Doesn't make what happened at the Hater show any more excusable, I just thought I would pass that along. seth ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: watch out, flame bait At 10:38 PM 11/6/96 -0800, Jamie C. wrote: >for those of you who didn't deduce this earlier: >i have a feeling that ben is an asshole. >he doesn't care about anything or anyone, >especially the people on this list and beyond. >so if he beats the shit out of you, it's probably because you annoyed >him, right??? > >but of course, I WASN'T EVEN THERE (according to caryn), so i have no >clue to what happened at the Hater show. so i'll just speculate for now. well, smart ass, you've just blown it. because i didn't say word one to ben shepherd all night. not one. so if you're trying to allege that you WERE at the hater show (ya, from winnipeg. us stupid americans DO know our canadian geography... you'd be surprised), no chance now. i didn't bother ben, i kept yelling at everyone to stop gawking at the poor guy (or at least to do it subtly!). so there ya go. on the other hand, without calling anyone names (get the feeling that poor jamie is just starved for attention up there in winnipeg? i bet you do), i will say this, a theory i voiced tonight while cooking dinner: [DISCLAIMER: shroom, dena, vikki, you know i love you to death. do not take this personally; shroom & vikki, i even told you t his in person. so please don't get upset] let's say you're ben shepherd. you recorded an album, then went out on lollapalooza, came home, went to europe. got home and are looking forward to hanging out in a bar you like to frequent and going to have fun with your FUN side project. you get to sing and play guitar and do stuff you don't normally do as "Ben SHepherd of Soundgarden". it's your night to kick back and have fun. hang out with your friends. *relax*. a little side item: Seattle residents are very respectful of the local musicians no matter how fucking famous they are. it's not the locals that go and hang out in front of eddie vedder's house, it's fucking tourists (trust me, you should see some of the email five horizons has gotten). and when they go to shows, people just don't bother them. THIS IS THEIR HOME AND THEY ARE ENTITLED TO PEACE WHEN THEY ARE AT HOME. so you're ben, and you're looking forward to yr relaxing night at the ok. and you walk in and there is a large bunch of fans from your internet mailing list camped out at the venue starting at 5pm (for a show that starts at 9, and everyone in seattle knows not to show up before 10 or 11). they're turning up at your manager's office asking for PHOTO PASSES to the show. it's not so much the autographs and the handshakes, it's the fact that you can't even walk to the men's room without heads turning every time you do. people who are just hanging out at the ok hotel because it's in pioneer square, an area with a lot of clubs, or even because the damn place was in 'singles' cannot help but notice and then they probably start asking, 'who are those guys' and everyone has heard of soundgarden, so now THEY start staring. in short, your every move is now being accounted for, and what's more, it'll be broadcast all over the world within 24 hours time. and then some local wannabe musician (and with all due respect to brian wood, but if we saw more talent and less attitude, he might get somewhere) shows up and starts hassling the shit out of you. this, too, you know is going to be everywhere in a matter of minutes. so you react -- badly. instead of having a good time and not giving a damn what happens, suddenly you have to be "Ben Shepherd of Soundgarden". this doesn't excuse his behavior; it's just the only explanation i can come up with. and yes, i spoke with matt, but i did something very different than the rest of the group: i wasn't camped out at the front gawking, i approached him directly and politely, *GAVE* him something (not just taking, giving), had a short conversation, thanked him for his time... and then i *LEFT*. backed away. guys... did you REALLY think that matt wanted to hang out with us? c'mon. really. yeah, maybe in chicago they do. but here in seattle? he wanted to hang out with his friends, with the grrl in the mermaid costume that showed up (were chris andrea and I the only one to take that hint????). not a bunch of fans. but jamie, you're wrong. shroom is not a psycho; dena is not a psycho; vikki is not a psycho. a little overzealous at times? perhaps, but that's hardly a crime and is no one's business but their own. perhaps you're just jealous that they have the courage to act on their desires. - --caryn ------------------------------ Subject: compilation for sale From: seth If anyone is interested in picking up the Program: Annihilator II compilation (SST bands), it's available on vinyl for $5.90 at: http://www.rockfetish.com/roundflat/590lp.html If you want to know what's on it, go to: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/releases/annihilator.html seth ------------------------------ From: "Jamie C." Subject: Hi People!!!! Apparently, "I'm too much of a coward" to fight with Caryn on the list. This comes on the heels of me being verbally abused by my good friend shroom for taking our little love-fest onto this fine mailing list. But I'm not here to argue.......I'm here to talk to all you kindred spirits! Yes, that's right, my new name is "new-leaf" Jamie C. Here's my sg content: If i were in a band like soundgarden and I had a bunch of wacked-out psycho fans like some people out there (hey! i'm not naming names!), then i wouldn't go out of my way to worry about them at shows. In fact, i'd lay the boots to their lame-ass heads, too. (but that would never happen, right?) for those of you who didn't deduce this earlier: i have a feeling that ben is an asshole. he doesn't care about anything or anyone, especially the people on this list and beyond. so if he beats the shit out of you, it's probably because you annoyed him, right??? but of course, I WASN'T EVEN THERE (according to caryn), so i have no clue to what happened at the Hater show. so i'll just speculate for now. You can't believe everyone..... "NEW LEAF" +jamie c.+ (i'm dedicated to telling the truth) ******************************** "You and I are not the same.... you like everything." (I Mother Earth-"Three Days Old") ******************************** "two of us, that's dangerous" (Smashing Pumpkins-"Frail and Bedazzled") ******************************** ------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: Re: BLOW DOWN THE INSIDE PLANET > There were also things I didn't thoroughly understand--but hey, >that's the trend in videos nowadays. For example: >1. Anyone notice that Chris would smile when things would blow up on >the screen? Yes. This is kinda' the theme of the video. Blow up the outside world? He wants it to blow up, so when it does he smiles :-) >2. There were about 3 images of Hitler! What's the director's obsession >with this German asshole anyway? I'd tell you but I haven't talked to the director lately . . . >3. Anyone wanna comment on the images "Father, Mother, Me, and >Love"? Not really. I can't really remember the images for Father, Mother, and Love, but I do remember all the "me"s being images of people isolated: one in a prison, another that just seemed to show a person alone in the middle of nowhere (well, it's probably somewhere, but I don't know where, so to me it's nowhere), etc. Images of people isolated from the outside world, once again, "blow up the outside world" . . . >There are other things I noticed too. Ben always has his head down in >this >video. I thought about the other SG vids and photos, and I realized that >Ben has his head down a number of times throughout the years. Anyone >have >any explanation for that? "head down . . head down . . . head down hide that smile . . . " .. . just a thought . . . ;-) >Also, this may sound a bit extreme, but I thought that Chris would be >sending a big "Fuck You" message to eMTyV for banning JCP--he was in >a >Jesus Christ pose the whole time(sitting down). Yeah, I know--it's a bit >out there! I doubt this, at least that it's from Chris, since that other guy (from the Ramones was it?) generally "created" the video (you know what I mean) . . . not Chris . . . unless the other guy was sending the "Fuck You" . . . folks that have seen "The Clockwork Orange," was the guy in this position in that? "and again, don't believe anything I say..." - my religion teacher The Guitarist-2001 "He had a lot to say He had a lot of nothing to say We'll miss him" - Eulogy, Tool, Aenima - -- Check out CORE - The ultimate site for teens. Featuring Music, sports, computers, hobbies, alternative, and more! Check it out, submit articles or other things, even get your site referenced. Featuring Quake review, Soundgarden for band of the month, and and all new Core Daily section! Also election 96 coverage! -CORE http://members.aol.com/DCZoner/index.html ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: australian and new zealand listers/lurkers rejoice... Blind Dog suggested: >> perhaps there will be a brisbane sommsfest 96? jackhammer? >lee? are you out there?>. And Lee (DefSonic) responded: I'm there :) Brisbane Sommsfest 97! :) since we get them early in 97 :) Anyone heard from Jackhammer in awhile? maybe South Africa got the = better of him. Hi folks. Jackhammer is around - he just hasn't resubscribed to the = list since his trip to South Africa. I've forwarded the posts re SG = coming to Australia to him, and I'll forward this one as well. I'm SURE = he'll be in a Brisbane Sommsfest 97 if there is one! Hey, how about you = all coming down to the Adelaide Sommsfest 97???? I'll even offer you = all free accommodation!! Am I the only South Aussie on this list? =20 [sigh] Oh well, I guess that means I get to have Soundgarden all to = myself................ Still grinning from ear to ear, Carolyn the Musical Fettish I'm sittin' in my chair, wearing a smile......Violent Femmes ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 297] ****************************************