From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 5 Nov 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 03:28:29 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Tuesday, 5 Nov 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Video and Walpurgis night music RE: hater, assholes and the real other side of the moshing coin Re: drown in alcohol attention NYC sommsters HELP and a note to CLR BLOW DOWN THE INSIDE PLANET Re: HUNGER STRIKE Moshing Why? EVERYONE SEES A JCP Re: hater, assholes and the real other side of the moshing coin Hater show Chris who?? re:Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 3 Nov 1996 Soundgarden Video Collection Wanted Re: FUCKING WEB HOGGERS contemplate what I've been clinging to... contest for tickets to Seattle shows australian and new zealand listers/lurkers rejoice... BMF/SOMMS seemed to get me through... Brandeis Show Announcement Re: HELP and a note to CLR jcp mpeg, etc. moshing Rock and the environment Part 1 tickets for mass. show nov.19,1996 RE: Wahoo!! I could kiss you all.............. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: cgoodman@maine.com (Carole Goodman) Subject: Video and Walpurgis night music Alright I liked the video and all but some things struck a nerve, ie: when you see a piture of Hitler and it says "enemy" and then a picture of Nixon w/the same title. Nixon may not have been all that great of a guy but not evil to the magnitude of Hitler. Save your flames and DO NOT I repeat DO NOT bring up H2Ogate. I am not in the mood. All in all the video was fine, not exceptional. Walpurgis night is German and is celebrated on the eve of may day and is associated with a witches' sabbath. St. Walpurga's (or Walburga) feast falls on this date. "IF YOU'RE TIRED OF A WHITHOUSE THAT'S ALWAYS SMOKING HEMP, VOTE FOR THE FUTURE VOTE DOLE/KEMP." DOLE/KEMP96 ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Farley" Subject: RE: hater, assholes and the real other side of the moshing coin Believe it or not, Caryn, I think what happened to you sucks! That bullshit shouldn't happen to anyone. Just keep in mind that soundgarden are four guys, people, humans ect. They aren't deities. They can be pricks just like the rest of us. It sucks to find out that someone you thought was cool is a douche', but at the same time it isn't all that suprising. Try a little ice. 20 min on, 20 min off, that should bring the swelling down. Chris PS - Ben looks like he could be a dick anyway. - ---------- From: caryn rose Sent: Friday, November 01, 1996 6:00 PM To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: hater, assholes and the real other side of the moshing coin this should be a happy, enthusiastic post about what a great time we all had at the hater show last night. it's not. all of us got there very very VERY early last night and staked out the front of the stage -- and then spent the show fending off drunk assholes who took advantage of the fact that it was mostly grrrls at the front of the stage and spent the ENTIRE SHOW intentionally and deliberately "moshing" (read: run full into us from as far back as they could go, repeatedly). who kept yelling, 'ben, play something fast so these pussies in the front will get out of the way'. this wasn't moshing. i grew up in mosh pits -- black flag, the dead kennedys, the circle jerks, the clash. NO ONE behaved like the assholes last night did, or the *crowd* would throw them out, if the bouncers didn't first. and if that didn't happen, the band would speak up. (but that's another point i'll get to later) this was violence for violence's sake. licence to kill, practically. notice how all the pro-moshing posts are from guys? of course they are. no one's going to be putting their hands all over you, or rubbing their dick up against you. no one's saying, 'oh good, it's a girl. i can beat the shit out of her and she'll move', which is what was happening last night. misongystic assholes with small dicks. there was such hatred in their eyes and such glee when they would grab us and we would react. these are the kind of fuckheads who beat up their girlfriends. this one guy kept taunting shroom over and over and over again to the point where i almost beat the shit out of him. chris spent the show going back and forth along our line, trying to keep everyone from getting the shit beat out of them. aaron had to leave, i think because he probably would have killed someone. ryan almost did. and the assholes knew exactly what they were doing. the only way they can prove that they are men is to beat the shit out of someone in public. [*ahem* disclaimer--> i know not all men are like this. i know a great many of you on this list are not like this. no one i know is like this. so you walk around in this little bubble of equality and humanism, and then you run into people like this. it's *1996* for christ's sake. you'd think we'd have evolved beyond this... i guess not] this was not about energetic expression of enjoying the music. this was about 5 guys deciding that we didn't belong down front and them deciding to beat the crap out of us. that is what the mosh pit these days is USUALLY about. if you wanted to see energetic expression of enjoying the music, you should have looked at us. the evening began with some brainless fuck throwing shit at ben -- spitting, lit cigarettes, lemons, ice. so, ben spit at him (cool, i hear you say. so why did me and andrea and chris have to get spit on as well? i'm sorry, but it is NOT AN HONOR). and then a few songs later, ben got tired of it and jumped in the audience to go after the idiot. cool, right? no, because he (i mean *BEN*) fucking kicked *me* -- HARD -- in the nose and lip when he did it. it's still swollen, my lip is still swollen, and i couldn't breathe all night. and to make matters worse, he didn't even fucking APOLOGIZE when he got back onstage. i was sitting on the edge of the stage, badly shaken up, bruised and crying -- and no one on that stage gave a damn. no one. so why didn't i move, some of you probably are asking (aside from those of you secretly glad that i got the shit beat out of me)? because moving would have let the assholes win. i wanted to see that fucking show! i had a 102.5 temperature all day yesterday, i didn't go to work, and i dragged my sorry ass to the damn hater show because i've been looking forward to it since they announced it. i waited there since 8pm and i sat down front on the stage through some very sucky bands and i had EVERY RIGHT TO BE THERE. although, to tell you the truth, it was wasted. the whole thing was wasted on me. they were great. they played really well. andrea said that it was the best she had ever seen them. if soundgarden broke up they'd have nothing to worry about. i stayed down front to take pictures though my heart wasn't in it any longer, for seth and justin, mostly justin, who will never get to see hater probably. i was also so shellshocked and the crowd was so bad i wouldn't have known where to go, besides home. i was angry at ben and matt for letting the crowd continue. no other club in seattle would have permitted that. and ben fucking OWNS the ok! i was angry at them for letting macho dickheads fuck with their loyal fans, even if they happen to be women. i was angry at my own hypocricy for not moving, for sitting through the show. and now, without sounding overly dramatic, i don't know what to do. i am so unbelievably disgusted at ben and matt's behavior that there's no way it can't effect how i feel about soundgarden in future. i lost all respect for them last night. this is how much they care about their fans? if so, i really want nothing to do with this band. if eddie vedder can stop a stadium of 50,000 people, they could have taken two fucking seconds to stop the mess last night. andrea's seen them four times now and it has NEVER been like this. it should never be like it was. hanging out with everyone was fun last night. chris and i gave matt a copy of our recently-acquired 1st generation temple of the dog live video and got to talk to him about pearl jam. he actually answered a couple of really vital and long unknown questions and was really nice about the whole thing. (i'm going to write up what we found out and put it on my pearl jam page first gang -- i'm sorry, i'm not going to waste it here. we've been waiting for this for MONTHS, if not years ;-) ). i had a ramones button to give to ben but i didn't have a good moment and i didn't want to bother him and now quite frankly i'm glad i didn't because he doesn't fucking deserve it. real punk rockers give a shit about what happens in the pit. i know that dena talked to john mc bain and he specifically mentioned chris mackenzie by name. ;-) i also suspect that both john and matt are big who fans, because when matt asked us if we were going to watch hovercraft and chris and i told him that we've seen them a zillion times, he asked us if it was true that they opened for the who, which they did. they were really bummed. ;-) when john was tuning later he started playing a little bit of the 'overture' from tommy! it was great and i even yelled for them to play a who song later, in one of the few calm and enjoyable moments during the show. (chris yelled for 'sheena is a punk rocker' and ben gave him the strangest look...) but still... when i think about it it all makes me sick. this is the same band that printed 'NO MOSHING OR CROWDSURFING' on the tickets for chicago. it would have taken one word. one. this is a club that holds about 150-200 - -- you can't tell me they didn't see, VERY CLEARLY, exactly what was going on. so either they didn't care... or they thought it was okay. and that's something i'm going to have to think about very long and hard. it's certainly going to affect how i act as a fan. i'll probably buy the records, but they are in my eyes no longer worry of my extra money, devotion and energy. i'm not going to be checking seth's web page for typos/errors when i can't sleep at 3am (although i'd probably do it because i consider seth a friend). i know that shroom et al tried to stay after the show to give matt and ben their somms shirts. i don't know what happened because we didn't stay. andrea left as quickly as she could before i had a chance to remember that it was THURSDAY and therefore no busses at 2am. chris and i ran outside and managed to grab a cab. there was no way i was going to be able to stay without confronting the guys about their behavior, and i didn't want to ruin it for everyone else. we are the kind of fans a band really WANTS at the end of the day and i'm not so sure that soundgarden deserve us. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: drown in alcohol We definately need to get something going. Me and a friend of mine are flying in from Salt Lake for the 12/11 show & that would be the perfect topper to the perfect show if we could meet the band! If I can do anything, let's get it going. Lance ------------------------------ From: gjw10@yoknapatawpha.pols.columbia.edu Subject: attention NYC sommsters Two things: First, did anybody go to the Buddy Rich scholarship thing that Matt supposedly played at last night (11/4) in NYC? I saw a blurb about it last night on the Offical SG Web Page and then frantically tried to find out more. I looked for info in the Voice and Time Out but didn't see any mention of it. Did it really happen? Second, I have one (possibly two) extra tickets for the SG Sunday show in NYC. If anyone has extra tickets for the Friday or Saturday shows and would like to trade, please contact me. I may be willing to do a two for one deal (you give me one, I give you two). Greg _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ Gregory J. Wawro gjw10@columbia.edu _/ _/ Department of Political Science phone: 212/854-8540 _/ _/ Columbia University fax: 212/222-0598 _/ _/ 741 International Affairs _/ _/ New York, NY 10027 _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: HELP and a note to CLR Help, Seth, get this crazy thing under control! I was in here on Sunday and pulled off 62 messages, so this a.m. I thought I'd see maybe 20 new ones.....I wasn't looking as the download began but it musta been 170 or more! whew, my delete button is smoking! Is it someone's system on the list or the list server that's doing this???? side note to Caryn Rose--sorry Hater's show wasn't up to snuff for you. Is it at all possible that Ben didn't realize he'd clipped you? I mean, when alot of stuff is going down and if he was so intent on getting to some jerkoff in the crowd, there's only so much you can concentrate on. Just a thought... ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: BLOW DOWN THE INSIDE PLANET Hell, I had a feeling I'd be bombarded with mail when I came in this morning. 200 messages!! Hey, that's what happens when a good SG video debuts. Anyway, here's my denarii worth of BUTOW opinions, etc. This is one of the great SG videos of all time. I didn't understand the video too well, but I'm an artist, and I liked the special effects, the mood of the video, and the other "artistic" stuff. Whoever said that Chris was looking skinny lately was right. I said, "DAAAAMN!" He could be Kate Moss' brother! There were also things I didn't thoroughly understand--but hey, that's the trend in videos nowadays. For example: 1. Anyone notice that Chris would smile when things would blow up on the screen? 2. There were about 3 images of Hitler! What's the director's obsession with this German asshole anyway? 3. Anyone wanna comment on the images "Father, Mother, Me, and Love"? There are other things I noticed too. Ben always has his head down in this video. I thought about the other SG vids and photos, and I realized that Ben has his head down a number of times throughout the years. Anyone have any explanation for that? Also, this may sound a bit extreme, but I thought that Chris would be sending a big "Fuck You" message to eMTyV for banning JCP--he was in a Jesus Christ pose the whole time(sitting down). Yeah, I know--it's a bit out there! ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: Re: HUNGER STRIKE >pearl jam are playing 'hunger strike' live from berlin RIGHT NOW!!!!! > >arGGHGHGHGHGHGHHGHGHGHGHGHGHGH Hey Caryn, why the "arGGHGHGHGHGHGHHGHGHGHGHGHGHGH" ? RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: Adrianne Daniel Wilson Subject: Moshing Why? What is the purpose of moshing? I mean you can't be serously watching the band, or really even listing to them! What is the fucking point to go to a concert and get your ass kicked when you can get that done for free anywhere elese? I have heard of people comming out of there with seroious bruses, one of my friends went to a 311 concert recenlty and came back with black and blue breasts! This isn't right, the guys around her wouldn't even help her get out of there, she didn't want to be in the pit she just got "sucked in" ! They finially let her out of there once she said she was going to vomit all over them. Why do people do this to one and other? Adrianne (curious female fan) ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: EVERYONE SEES A JCP Hey, I posted my comments about the new SG vid before I read my email. I see I'm not the only one who sees the Jesus imagery in the video. RoseeMisst RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: Re: hater, assholes and the real other side of the moshing coin Sorry, I'm not going to include Caryn's post because most of you have read it , and it is pretty long. I have waited for the response of any SOMMSter who went to the Hater show. I was just flabbergasted to read Caryn's posts in regard to the show. I can't feel the same way she does, because I wasn't there. I can't say that I will not look at the band the same ever again. You have to wonder, what's up with Matt and Ben? It's really sickening what happened that night. Not only did they not take their fans seriously, but they don't take women seriously either. I may be going way off the mark on that one. Anyway, I think that Caryn's post will make SOMMS digest history. Any new members or web surfers who may see that post will have to think where those two members of SG stand. I am definitely keeping that post. Caryn, I hope you're feeling better. RoseeMisst RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: "Jen Kern" Subject: Hater show Hello everyone!!! I just wanted to say that it was great getting to see all the Seattle Sommsters on Halloween night!! Shroom and Dena--I hope you make it back up here real soon!!! I thought I would throw my few cents in about the show. I didn't know what to expect from Hater. I had never heard them before and the only comments I heard about them was that they sounded different than SG. I have to say that I was very pleasantly surprised. I thought they sounded great and was very impressed. Music-wise I would have to say that Hater has a new fan. I do have to agree with Caryn about the crowds being way fucking out of control. I'm short and was one of the ones in front. From this experience I now have atleast a dozen bruises on my arms and legs. I did have to spend a good majority of the time fighting off drunk assholes (and I am completely serious about having to FIGHT them off) which unfortunately took away from me enjoying the performance. Luckily (thanks in part to my bony elbows which can come in handy when someone is trying to pound you into the stage) I was able to stand my ground and remain were I wanted to be--up front. Aside from the mutilation that occured I overall had a great Halloween night. I even had the opportunity to have a brief conversation with Ben after the show and take a few pictures. It's going to be real interesting seeing how the crowd reacts at the SG shows at Mercer Arena. I know the only reason I was able to handle staying up front at the Hater show was because I was only fighting off about a dozen drunks, whereas with SG there will be much, much more. Hopefully, all will go well (though unfortunately I doubt it). Once again I wanna say that it was great seeing everyone!!! JEN ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Chris who?? Chris Cornell? Who? Who's that? Oh yeah... isn't he that guy who sings in the band that BEN SHEPHERD plays bass for? Kiddies... forget the wolfboy frontman for awhile. Just think, mmmm..... BEN. Oh c'mon, don't get me wrong...Chris is gorgeous. Everyone knows how I lust after the man... but you don't know the meaning of true SEX APPEAL until you've stood three feet away from Ben Shepherd while he's onstage with a ripped up shirt and a pissed off look on his face. I'm totally serious, kiddies. Ben is ALL that... PLUS a bag of chips. It's all him, man. (Heheheh, Ryan & Dena.) We actually met Ben at the bar in the OK Hotel many hours before the Hater show started. We also met Mattster (who has the handshake from HELL). =) Dena will be the one to share all the details of that stuff. I'm just here to tell you about BEN (ohmygoodnessgraciousthatguyisyummy!) SHEPHERD. All I can say is AAAUUUUUGGHHHH!!! It was an AWESOME night... with the exception of the moshers from hell. But don't worry, kiddies... the KTMS kicked serious bootie. Vikki beat the hell out of several people (including one guy that probably ended up with a concussion, hehehehe). Chris was absolutely great, because he was trying to protect ALL of us (and we love him for it, too). I tried to help, but after getting beat up buy my fellow SOMMSters, I decided just to hang back for awhile (watch out for Jen... she almost knocked the wind out of me once ;-)). Ben also got into a fight with a guy who was throwing paper at him, and he got his shirt ripped up ALOT. Picture Ben... seriously pissed, but happy to have just beat the hell out of someone... shirt ripped all down the front, and half off him... pacing around on this tiny stage. VERY SEXY, I must say. I was appreciating the chest shots, in a HUGE way. But on the downside of the evening, Ben almost KILLED Caryn while he was launching himself at the paper-thrower from the stage. That was VERY uncool, because he could have just stopped the show and dealt with it. He didn't need to hurt our Caryn to get his revenge on that guy. And the moshers from hell should have been kicked out of the show, but for some reason, there didn't seem to be ANY security at all. Something definitely needs to be done about that immediately. Caryn was completely right about that. I can also say that I've lost a bit of respect for SG for not paying more attention to their truly dedicated fans during shows (like PJ does). I never thought I'd be praising PJ over SG, but it's true. Vedder *is* a more conscientious frontman than Chris. And Ben, for that matter. Blah... it hurts to admit something like that. Aside from the lack of security and concern for fans... the show was excellent, and Ben makes an mesmerizing frontman. All I have to say at this moment is: "Chris who??" ;-) Heheheh... Shroomy "I don't like it when people are limp like that..." ~ List Thug/Sheriff "" ~ Ryan (awww, such a cutie) "MORE!! MORE!! MORE!!" ~ Caryn "THAT'S the movie I want to see..." ~ Vikki ;-) "How many people do you have to have in the car to drive in the double occupancy lane??" ~ Shroom the stupid List Hootchie "I have mastered this city. Wait... am I driving the wrong way on a one-way street??" ~ Dena "You're a psycho..." ~ The guy with the nice butt "You people are weird..." ~ Same guy ------------------------------ From: "Peter Castles" Subject: re:Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 3 Nov 1996 Two words for the guy at "fopp@naplesnet.com" Looooo zzzerrrrr! What a dong! A 40-(fourty!)-year-old self-proclaimed genius ("I got a master's degree in slaggin' adolescents"), trading verbal blows with kids young enough to be his offspring. Ooooh, that baby-boomer resentment surfaces again ("Hey, we INVENTED rock and roll! Don't you whining kids forget it!" or "When I was a boy, we didn't have MTV! We had to take drugs and go to rock concerts!"). Just plain weak. Kim Thayil has railed against this kind of narrow generational thinking on more than one occasion, so just bag the baby-boomer backlash, pal. ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Soundgarden Video Collection Wanted Me too, I want a whole video collection from soundgarden. Just any videos that they have made so far. I really wanted to tape the BUTOW one, but my VCR is dead now. So if anyone out there.... The original preety noose ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Re: FUCKING WEB HOGGERS Eliza wrote: > I don't know the whole scoop, but I heard that when Silver Mgmt. called > Kathie about our meeting the band in Chicago, Erin made some comments about > the new imusic site, like trying to get us all to go check it out.....don't > know the details, Kath? Actually Erin just asked me if I had seen it because she does the official site. It came up when I was explaining to her how the Chicago SOMMS convention came to be and she asked if Seth's site had bulletin boards. Then she asked if I had seen the official site and I was embarassed to have to tell her that no I hadn't and she just said I should check it out. It wasn't like she was trying to steal us from the unofficial site, though. No biggie. Kathie ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: contemplate what I've been clinging to... On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, caryn rose wrote: > the evening began with some brainless fuck throwing shit at ben -- spitting, > lit cigarettes, lemons, ice. so, ben spit at him (cool, i hear you say. so > no, because he (i mean *BEN*) fucking kicked *me* -- HARD -- in the nose and > lip when he did it. it's still swollen, my lip is still swollen, and i > and to make matters worse, he didn't even fucking APOLOGIZE when he got back > onstage. i was sitting on the edge of the stage, badly shaken up, bruised > and crying -- and no one on that stage gave a damn. no one. taken from alternative press, march '92. ...fragmentary conversation between Shepherd and the band's off-tour tour manager, Dave, revolving somewhere between the unrelenting vileness of MTV and standard record company rip-offs ends with Shepherd murmuring, "The fans are the real bottom line, though. They're the ones who get fucked, and they're the most important people." looks like it slipped his mind, doesn't it? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Jen Kern" Subject: contest for tickets to Seattle shows Hello everyone. I just wanted to let the list know that imusic has a contest giving away tickets to Seattle concerts (including Soundgarden (both shows) and the Smashing Pumpkins, plus lots of other bands playing at smaller clubs). So for anyone who is interested check it out at: http://imusic.com/free JEN ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: australian and new zealand listers/lurkers rejoice... On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, the hamburgler himself wrote: > Date City Venue > Jan 19 Gold Coast, Australia Big Day Out > Jan 22 Brisbane, Australia Festival Hall . now that it is official, I'm happy to see that we here in the southern hemisphere are not going to be soundgarden-deprived over the coming summer. I'll be taking a stroll down to festival hall this afternoon to take stock of ticket prices and the like. hopefully tickets will go on sale this friday (much the same as newcastle), so littlejoe and I have something other than study to do on thursday night. small things of interest - while on the web things all things appear equal, I'm told that all the non-big day out dates will be announced in australian local press *before* the band is included in the bdo lineup; the idea of course being to sell more tickets to the smaller shows. that won't work on me, however, because I'll make sure that I'm at *both* shows (and not moshing at either of them, to boot). also, I have it on fairly good authority that the support band will be none other than you am I. some listers may remember that it was you am I who first supported soundgarden here in 94, and then were asked by the band to come play with them on their u.s domestic tour. seems that neither band can get enough of each other, and I can honestly say that this will probably turn out to be the show of the year. look for you am I (a band that won 6 australian music awards a month or two back) to also be included on the bdo bill soon. perhaps while soundgarden pull out some old material for us , you am I will grace us with 'berlin chair'? lastly, an interesting coincidence comes to mind. soundgarden will be one of the few bands to play at two different lollapalloozas and big day outs, and will also be the headliners (for all intents and purposes) at the finals of both fetivals. neat, eh? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Mark" Subject: BMF/SOMMS Good Evening Sommsters, I have been reading the list for a couple of weeks, guess you'd call me a lurker. I have a question; are BMF/SOMMS cd's totally hard to find or is it just a matter of looking in some decent shops? I'd be very interested in finding one. Any info, email me back. Thanks for your help, and Caryn, I hope you are feeling better. Cathey ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: seemed to get me through... On Sun, 3 Nov 1996, Dan the man wrote: > what the heck is walpurgis night music? I found this in the list archive using the handy search icon (because I couldn't quite remember what the exact answer was). so in the interest of informing new sommsters and reminiscing over old posts, this is what lamont sanford had to say: "I just want to add something to the question about satanism in soundgarden music. Matt Cameron publishes himself under the label "Walpurgis Night Music". Look at the notes for "Fresh Tendrils" or (mostly) anything of BadMotorFinger. For those of you not informed about what Walpurgis Night is: I believe it is the longest night of summer and on the Satanists calandar it is the second most important holiday, after one's birthday." the list mother also felt obliged to add this (on halloween, no less): "It means that Matt is a very smart boy and he knows some trivia that may perk someone attention - like yours maybe. I don't know about the rest of you, but I love Halloween - does that make me a worshipper of the black arts (unless you understand that a witch can practice both white and black magic). All Hollows Eve is not a Christian celebration. In fact here in the United States, there are some religious sect that want to do away with Halloween - they see it as a pagan holiday. So, in a few weeks - come to my house and I'll give you some candy - I just love little monsters and ghouls, put them in the pot and boil, boil, turmoil and trouble, eye of.........." I also just did a little snooping around, and (interestingly) noted that there is a walpurgis website which concentrates on the "development and production of small scale and contemporary opera and music theatre, commisioning composers and artists from within the contemporary performing arts to write and create new works". the front page also (in a large coincidence) can be roughly interpreted as an upside-down forest... there is also a walpurgis nacht (night in german, I imagine) page, which deals with a bunch of vampire/horror sort of stuff. I wonder if there is a connection between matt's spooky choice of publishing title and his inclusion on the score to that schlocky-horror/comedy _attack of the killer tomatoes_? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Fett81@aol.com Subject: Brandeis Show Announcement Howdy! C'mon people! Let's get our act together! All SOMMSters going to the Brandeis show, we should find a place to meet before the show. I suggest the Commuter Rail Station nearest to the auditorium. PLEASE offer other places. I would really like to meet all of you before the show. Thanks a lot! -Fett ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: HELP and a note to CLR At 11:05 AM 11/4/96 -0500, Mercyhurst Prep Library wrote: >side note to Caryn Rose--sorry Hater's show wasn't up to snuff for you. Is >it at all possible that Ben didn't realize he'd clipped you? I mean, when >alot of stuff is going down and if he was so intent on getting to some >jerkoff in the crowd, there's only so much you can concentrate on. Just a >thought... sorry deb, but if ben didn't see it, there was no way that matt or john or whoever didn't see it. NO WAY. he chose to ignore it. he knew it happened. he didn't care. they didn't care. hang in there seth, i'm sure all of us who are getting this deluge of mail appreciate everything you're doing to get it under control. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Jeremiah Emison Subject: jcp mpeg, etc. a few days ago geoff wrote the list asking for feedback from those who downloaded the jcp mpeg. well, i downloaded it (it only took me about one and a half hours), and all i can say is i'm awestruck. i'm really not all that into videos, but i really like this one. besides the quality of the video itself, i thought that geoff did a really good job encoding it. on a change of subject, i am actually going to get SOMMS for free! thats' right-absolutely free. a friend of mine picked it up used a few years back, but i didn't know he had it until a few days ago. he said he never listens to it, so i could have it. what a friend! misguided, but a friend still. also, to add my opinion to the moshing thread, i think moshing just to hurt people sucks. if you're gonna do that shit, go to the restroom and beat your brains out on the fucking wall(better yet, bang your head against the mirror-it'll seem like you're hurting somebody else). it'll do all of us who actually want to enjoy the concert a favor. away from that, only 23 days until the austin concert. i'd really like to hear from those who are going to that one also, so email me if you are. one more thing, and then i'll be through. i recieved my somms apparel last friday, and it looks excellent. i especially like the cap. Thanks, Dena for doing such a good job.,Nix Jeremiah "I saw you today, and you were leaving" ------------------------------ From: "Michael Kruse" Subject: moshing i'm kind of neutral on the subject of moshing..but i really would hope the people on both sides would quit bitching...when i saw soundgarden in their hometown of SEATTLE chris acknowledged the moshers and said the pit looked like people playin football...in no way was he bitchin about it...mosh pits are like drugs- you can't stop them from going on at shows...... thanks for your time ------------------------------ From: Valahovic Subject: Rock and the environment Part 1 Transcribed by (Stephanie Valahovic) from imusics rebroadcast (in R.A. at 28,000 BPS) of Rock and the Environment. Please excuse my words in parenthesis (...). The transcript features Kim Thayil, and his viewpoints on: Ecological Models: Introduction: "Lets hear what Kim Thayil of Sondgarden has to say about how the Man species treats other species we share the planet with and what effect this has on the environment." Kim Thayil: "We live in a very species-less (?our narcissistic preoccupation withourselves?) society where we sometimes hold some of our own in high regard than we do other species. Its all very important because the ecosystem is very fragile, down to the algae to the largest mammal in a particular niche. They all play an important role in maintaining the balance of that niche. I dont think people understand that, the ecology or environmental biology is not something many people have easy access to (PBS, just a thought) Its not a subject of our popular TV shows, records, or movies, so, people have a poor understanding of these things. Its harder to explain to them that if you take one species out how it will effect the animal and plant species. They are like a very delicate little assemblage of puzzles. When you take one piece out, its like pulling out one can of a pile of cans ( I suspect he means from the bottom) in a grocery store, and the whole pyramid collapses. Its harder to explain or show how particular populations have to regulate each other (i.e.. the extinction of the pacific salmon and how that going to effectthe animals that depend on them for survival, or the introduction of ocean barnacles into the great lakes by way of the Saint Lawrence sea way.) how if one population diminishes in size that competing populations will grow larger (i.e.. in California, mountain lions have attacked and injured or killed a many small children because of our encroachment into thier habitat and our need to destroy there staple diet, rodents) that a simple way to explain it. I can still see how some would pick up on that." ------------------------------ From: Williams Subject: tickets for mass. show nov.19,1996 Hi! I'm new on here. My name is Bernadette, and I,m just wondering if anyone knows the address (or phone #) to get tickets to the Nov. 19th Soundgarden show in Brandeis Arena, mass. Saw them in Mass. last summer with Eleven, and they kicked!! Well, gotta go! E-mail me at bernadet@mint.net ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: Wahoo!! I could kiss you all.............. SOUNDGARDEN IS COMING TO AUSTRALIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :-) :-O :-} >>.......Jan 31 Adelaide, Australia Big Day Out I already have tickets to that! AND my hat and t-shirt ready to wear = (thanks, Dena!). Bummer they're not doing a separate concert in my state, but hell, = beggars can't be choosers! SOUNDGARDEN IS COMING!!!!! Oh my, I just can't get over this. I KNEW something good was going to happen to me today when the radio = played Violent Femmes' "Add It Up" this morning - and I was right! I'M = GOING TO SEE SOUNDGARDEN!=20 What a happy happy day............ Love you guys! Carolyn the Majorly Flustered Too over the moon to think of a quote...... ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 295] ****************************************