From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 3 Nov 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 04:39:12 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Sunday, 3 Nov 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: A bit on Moshing.... ok wimp stand back! tour Re: the real other side of the moshing coin Attention Chicago show-goers Re: ok wimp stand back! Vancouver B.C. Tix Re: ok wimp stand back! Chicago every one likes a fight! From the official site... moshing squashing fopping n bopping 7/21/93 show Re: tour #18 Soundgarden Video Collection Wanted re: hater, et al ------------------------------------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: A bit on Moshing.... At 02:35 AM 11/2/96 -0500, AntiDog@aol.com wrote: >I've been reading the moshing thread bits and I have this to add: it used to >be that at the front of the crowd, pressed against the stage, were tons and >tons of screaming, prostrated girls. excuse me? isn't this a gross generalization? not to mention an insult to every woman on this list. as one of the women at the front of the crowd, i was there to experience the music. so were my friends. there was no screaming and no prostration. i think your adolescent fantasies deceive you. >Now, with moshing, I think it's >virtually impossible to get such a gathering chanting in front of the band. I >wonder if Soundgarden prefers to look at a bunch of whacked out angry men or >screaming girls? you're implying that that is the only choice? why is it that if women are down front they have to be screaming? this really confuses me, as i've never screamed in the manner you are describing in my life. i don't know any women who have. >My final say, and then I'll end this, is just that no one is MORE ENTITLED >than anyone else to be in their space to hear and see the performance they >paid for. no, you're wrong. those people who have RESPECT for their fellow concert-goers and are not concerned with causing as much damage and harm as possible *are* MORE ENTITLED to be there than those that are there to fuck shit up. period. "freedom" does not include the freedom to cause harm to others. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: fopp@naplesnet.com Subject: ok wimp stand back! first off, I have a masters in music history and last time I checked that means I spent five years at FSU so I guess that means I'm pretty ignorant. secondly, I'm turning fourty this year,and that would make me probally one of the oldest people on this list.and now that I've discredited your unwarrantable attacks(a sure sign of the highest level of maturity on your part) I'd like to mention that you have made an ass of your self by bitching and moaning about moshing when you watch football and surely you would say that they are not the same .well they are, just a bunch of meatheads haveing fun?right? and on the lighter side i'm glad to see that you are the only fifteen year old that had to make this frendly discussion into something ugly. and yes SG is wimpier oh wait, thats wimper, now than they were back in the old days when your mom was still wipeing your ass ,in fact she probally still does,but thats a diffrent issue for the list to discuss. fopp- oh yea, please spell and grammar check this for me and have it on my desk in the morning. thanks! (witch is nothing like moshing , ------------------------------ From: eliza Subject: tour If anyone is going to Salt Lake City on Wednesday (or Denver on Thurs.), PLEASE PLEASE post about the show....i am dying to hear how the U.S. tour is gonna differ before we hit the streets of Chi town.... thanks- eliza filling up my gas tank, grabbing the CDs and heading for the Windy City in 6 days! ------------------------------ From: "Jack Parsons" Subject: Re: the real other side of the moshing coin >I was sitting on the edge of the stage, badly shaken up, bruised >and crying -- and no one on that stage gave a damn. no one. I can't believe this, I don't know about the rest of the list, but Ben USED TO BE my fav member. I mean Soundgarden has easily become my favorite band, but I am so shocked at this I am speechless. They should have cared what was going on. And the fact that Ben owns the club makes it that much worse. >we are the kind of fans a band really WANTS at the end of the day >and i'm not so sure that soundgarden deserve us. This is truly a terrible, sad situation. Caryn, "Steal the warm wind tired friend." Every SOMMSter should ask themselves, "What kind of people make up this band?" Ben was WAY out of line. Jonathan 'I can't get any lower, still I feel I'm sinking.' 'I had a taste so sour, had to think of something sweet.' ------------------------------ Subject: Attention Chicago show-goers From: seth As most (or all) of you already know, all mailing list members attending the Chicago shows will be meeting the band if they want, thanks to Kathie [see the SOMMS digest of 10/25 for details]. Anyway, in some correspondence with Erin of Silver Management, she mentioned the Chicago show get-together and mentioned that she still doesn't have a complete list of the REAL NAMES of everyone who is attending. She says that in order to make sure that backstage/whatever passes are left for everyone at the ticket counter, she must have your REAL FULL NAMES, not just your email addresses or nicknames. So, if you want to meet the band in Chicago, please email Kathie RIGHT NOW (oponfam@cnsnet.com) with your full first and last name so you can be on the list. It would probably be a good idea to bring ID to the show as well. And have fun, everyone. seth ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Re: ok wimp stand back! ya know, i really LOVE posts like this. demeaning younger members of SOMMS and telling us what and how we think and do things. personally, i am 17. does that make any difference in my appreciation for SG? no, why in hell should it? and moshing is the biggest fuck up that the music industry ever created. it's annoying, and it totally disctracts me and takes away from the concerts. it's really really bad when people are surfing to "big me" by the foo fighters and yr worrying about getting kicked in the head by some nazi-boy there only because tickets were $5 and they need to fufill their injuries to others for the night. it's really bad. and this is totally sad that you compare moshing to Football. okay, one is a regulated, professional SPORT. the other is NOT a sport and serves only to injure and piss off everyone around you. how can you compare an organized sport to moshing? it just doesn't connect in any way... ooh, big you, yr 40? man, that really makes me feel like less of a person and less of a fan. give me a break, huh? there is no seniority when it comes to musical appreciation and there shouldn't be any of ths shit on SOMMS either. if you'd like yr note spell checked, use the functions on yr computer like any other human. a 17 year old is not yr secretary, nor are we yr plaything. so fuck off. mind riot (sorry guys, but this REALLY pissed me off...) << Start of Forwarded message via Prodigy Mail >> From: fopp Subject: ok wimp stand back! Date: 11/02 Time: 06:36 AM Return-Path: fopp@naplesnet.com Received: from MIT.EDU (SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.72.1.2]) by pimaia1y.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA30600; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 06:35:00 -0500 From: fopp@naplesnet.com Received: from websun.naplesnet.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA02716; Sat, 2 Nov 96 06:32:52 EST Received: from [199.233.75.107] by websun.naplesnet.com (NTMail 3.01. 03) id ka493802; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 06:24:21 -0500 Message-Id: <327B4003.4869@naplesnet.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 06:35:15 -0600 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: ok wimp stand back! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit first off, I have a masters in music history and last time I checked that means I spent five years at FSU so I guess that means I'm pretty ignorant. secondly, I'm turning fourty this year,and that would make me probally one of the oldest people on this list.and now that I've discredited your unwarrantable attacks(a sure sign of the highest level of maturity on your part) I'd like to mention that you have made an ass of your self by bitching and moaning about moshing when you watch football and surely you would say that they are not the same .well they are, just a bunch of meatheads haveing fun?right? and on the lighter side i'm glad to see that you are the only fifteen year old that had to make this frendly discussion into something ugly. and yes SG is wimpier oh wait, thats wimper, now than they were back in the old days when your mom was still wipeing your ass ,in fact she probally still does,but thats a diffrent issue for the list to discuss. fopp- oh yea, please spell and grammar check this for me and have it on my desk in the morning. thanks! (witch is nothing like moshing , << End of Forwarded message >> ____ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i'm tied within i'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Vancouver B.C. Tix For those of you interested... Vancouver tickets went on sale this morning for the Soundgarden show at the P.N.E. Pavillion on December the 7th. 1 week till the Chicago shows people!!! I can't wait!!! The List Thug and Somms Sheriff, Aaron Kim Thayil for President! Kim Thayil for President! Kim Thayil for President! ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: ok wimp stand back! At 06:35 AM 11/2/96 -0600, fopp@naplesnet.com wrote: >first off, I have a masters in music history and last time I checked that means I >spent five years at FSU so I guess that means I'm pretty ignorant. a piece of paper means nothing. your actions and statements on this list so far have been rude and disrespectful. >secondly, I'm turning >fourty this year,and that would make me probally one of the oldest people on this >list. wrong again, asshole. the people you ATTACKED are your age or older. many of the women on this list ARE the 'screaming, hysterical' ones you tried to use as a point earlier. >and now that I've discredited your unwarrantable attacks no, they were warranted, and no, you haven't discredited them. you're not the oldest, and NONE of us are impressed by college degreees in ANY subject. your statements were offensive. doesn't matter what school you went to or how old you are. >I'd like to mention that you have made an ass of your >self by bitching and moaning about moshing when you watch football and surely you would >say that they are not the same NO THEY ARE NOT! football is a sport. some people may consider it a stupid sport, but those gentlemen are on a playing field with other paid 'professionals'. NOT trying to cause as much harm to innocent bystanders as possible. get real. > and on the lighter side i'm glad to see that you are the only fifteen year >old that had to make this frendly discussion into something ugly. the discussion was never friendly. and i don't think it was a 15 year old who made the point, dickhead. have you bothered to go check out the member directory? i don't think so. and BESIDES WHICH, age has nothing to do with it. you've clearly demonstrated that you can be an arrogant, passive-aggressive idiot at any age. > now than they were back in the old days when your mom was still >wipeing your ass ,in fact she probally still does,but thats a diffrent issue for the >list to discuss. no, i think it's an issue for which seth can UNSUB your ass to this list. we don't need people like you here. >oh yea, please spell and grammar check this for me and have it on my desk in the >morning. thanks! like you didn't make any typos? ya right. you're not even brave enough to use your real name. - --caryn tired of whining, arrogant, pseudo-violent men with small dicks in any forum ------------------------------ From: CTTimber@aol.com Subject: Chicago What's this I read about meeting the band? Who is, and where? ------------------------------ [please note: mr. fopp/asshole below has been unsubscribed, so please do NOT reply to his message. -seth] From: fopp@naplesnet.com Subject: every one likes a fight! looks like I got under you skin!haha! you people are to easy,only one person actually challanged my claims. the rest of you ladies have penis on the brain, and how could say I have a small penis? does typeing words on a computer some how secretly scan my penis and put it on the web? and how the hell would you know what a penis even looks like? I can imagine you geting a guy to go to bed with you. seeing that you have just a wonderful personality. fopp- oh yea please disembowel this post and put it...well you what to do. ------------------------------ Subject: From the official site... From: seth CAMERON TO PLAY SCHOLARSHIP CONCERT Soundgarden's Matt Cameron will be in New York this weekend, performing as part of the prestigious 1996 Buddy Rich Memorial Scholarship Concert. Scheduled to take place Sunday, November 3 at Manhattan Center, Cameron will also be joined by musicians Billy Cobham, John "JR" Robinson, Sonny Emory, David Caribaldi and several others. All proceeds from the evening will go to benefit the Buddy Rich Memorial Scholarship Program. In a career that spanned seven decades, Buddy Rich established himself as a drumming legend. After his death in 1987, Rich's daughter Cathy started the Scholarship Program as a way to give aspiring young musicians who might not otherwise have the opportunity, a chance to go on to college and promote the Performing Arts. Since its inception, the annual award has helped many artists pursue their dreams. According to Rich, her father Buddy was a generous man who firmly believed that a person should give something back to the community. Each year, with the support of artists like Matt Cameron, the Buddy Rich Memorial Scholarship Concert does just that. In other Soundgarden-related news, the MTV world premiere of the "Blow Up The Outside World" video will take place Friday, Nov. 1 at 1 am. After that, the video will air at 6:00 am, 8:00 am, 2:30 pm, 4:00 pm, 6:30 pm and 10:00 pm. To see it on Sunday, check out "120 Minutes." On Monday, the video will go into heavy rotation. ------------------------------ From: Michele Subject: moshing squashing fopping n bopping Hi I have some comments on the following: Moshing. Isn't there a happy solution for everyone here? I think people should have their freedom at concerts but to the point where people start getting their faces smashed, teeth knocked out, getting beat the crap out of ect. If this is your idea of fun I think you are in the wrong place, you should be at the gym you need to go take up boxing or something. I just don't think it is fair espeacially thoose idiots who just goto concerts to mosh n don't seem to care who is playing. When the true fans are trying to watch the band but instead have to watch from being kicked in the head. Maybe they should get a trampolene for you all to jump on if you have that much engery. Maybe they should make it like seame place like provide balls you can in jump n you can all kill each other away from the people that would like to keep their teeth. Hell, why don't you all just get hammers n knock each other teeth out before the show? So does this mean maybe I should wear a helmet to my next show? Maybe we (us people who would like to keep our teeth) need some gear like a body suits, yeah new merchandise.....(yes, I am being sarcastic.) I sure if the bands can stand up their watching the crowd beat the crap out of each n not say anything we could come up with something nonvolient. That just makes me wonder do the bands really care about their fans? Or are they in like Mr.Poneman(Sub-Pop) once stated playing for the money n only the money? Look people my point being is yes moshing is ok as long as it is kept under control but when rights start getting voliated that is when we must step in before the venues do n say hey to keep this a freedom, We are going to keep it under control. I think I got my point across. Together we stand divided we fall. Not just a babbling fool anymore a pissed off babbling fool, Michele ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: 7/21/93 show someone (;-) ) has given me a poster for a SG/PJ show with a date of 7/21/93 from Houston. however, we have no record of this in t he pearl jam camp. was this show rescheduled perhaps? does anyone have any knowledge of this show? tapes, boots, etc.? anyone was at this show maybe? thanks, - --caryn ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: tour I'll be at the show on Wednesday & I'll be sure to post a full report on the first show of the American leg. It should be quite interesting too, because I GOT BACK STAGE PASSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geez, I hope I don't turn into a bumbling idiot and make an ass out of myself. Keep your eyes peeled fo the report. - -lance- P.S. Due to the negative feedback on moshing, I'll be in front but not in the pit this year. I don't want to ruin the show for anyone else. : ) ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: #18 #18 is the new Barry Manilow album.:) Actually, it is the Temple of El Perro cd. So if you don't have it, or really need the few bucks you could sell it for, this is your chance. The usual crap: email to enter, winner picked at random. Winner (only) must provide a shipping address. Once notified, the winner has 5 days to claim his/her prize. Entries taken until Wednesday, 6 November. ***Make sure you understand all of the above before entering*** Eric ...with a hole in his body where his life had been... ------------------------------ From: opiate Subject: Soundgarden Video Collection Wanted I was wondering if anyone on the list has all the full and uncut for the videos of these songs that SG has ever made up until Superunknown: The Day I Tried To Live My Wave Black Hole Sun Spoonman Fell On Black Days Superunknown Jesus Christ Pose Rusty Cage Outshined Loud Love Hands All Over Flower Temple of the Dog-Hunger Strike (original unedited version) I haven't seen all videos for all these songs, since MTV never plays any of them in regular rotation and it would be really be cool to see them. If someone can put tape them onto a normal VHS tape for me, I would gladly pay you shipping and the extra bucks for your time and effort! Thanks, Dave ------------------------------ From: AntiDog@aol.com Subject: re: hater, et al < < Hi, as im new here, let me introduce myself first. Im Rudo van Zanten, im 31 years old and i think Soundgarden is Great. I have visited the Soundgarden concert in Holland (11-10-96) and i had a great time. I am wondering if someone taped this concert, so i might get a copy and re enjoy the concert. If noone has a copy, i want to ask if there are soome good quality live Soundgarden bootlegs, which i can order? Please help me. Look at my lovely signature RUVAZ@XS4ALL.NL In my CD player Dark side of the moon : Pink Floyd Superunknown : Soundgarden Amazing Disgrace : The Posies ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 293] ****************************************