From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 2 Nov 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 04:53:41 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 2 Nov 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: BUTOW Video you wimps..get out of the pit Blowing up the video World... Re: Moshing &She'll never get out of here alive... FUCKING WEB HOGGERS!! Re: zippy and his vast army of pinheads to open for soundgarden! RE: FUCKING WEB HOGGERS Chicago Show BUTOW! chicago show RE: Moshing Moshing Re: FUCKING WEB HOGGERS Re: you wimps..get out of the pit Latest video Oh, and... hater, assholes and the real other side of the moshing coin hi Re: hi Re: BUTOW! Re: Re: Why is Cris being tortured? Kathie BIG WIMPS stand back for your own safety Re: BIG WIMPS stand back for your own safety Re: hater, assholes and the real other side of the moshing coin JCP: The Motion Picture They've arrived Down Under..... FS: SOMMS Re: zippy and his vast army of pinheads to open for soundgarden! A bit on Moshing.... ------------------------------------------------------------ From: bbecker@MECASW.COM Subject: BUTOW Video Saw the video last night after the KISS unpluged........COOL, did anyone notice that Chris is sportn' a Jesus Christ Pose??? ------------------------------ From: fopp@naplesnet.com Subject: you wimps..get out of the pit didnt chris say "if you cant handle a bloody noze ,then get the hell the out(of the pit)"? ------------------------------ Subject: Blowing up the video World... From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) Well I'm late for work - why!!!! Hey being an obsessed SG fan I had to stay home to see if the new video would be shown at 8:00 EST. WELL IT WAS!!!!!! Being as I never really cared for concept type videos I wasn't sure I would like this one. But I did.. The focal point for the video is the band simply playing the song. The concept is Chris tied to the chair. But the two are pull together nicely.. Chris does a nice job of acting (well facial movements acting). The point of the video is - what is correct the idea that home, parents, love and self are these nice images that we are taught should be or is it the "Ugly Truth". It gives you the impression that no matter what it really the truth you can change it. I also think the end of the video is very symbolic as the shadow of Chris on the chair forms a cross. Gives allot to think about. I give it a 9 out of 10 points... Jamie (Village Idiot/SOMMs Mom) 48 days and counting!! :-) ------------------------------ From: Monnica Lewis Subject: Re: Moshing &She'll never get out of here alive... I agree with you on this one. It's a great idea. T minus 8 days til SOMMSFEST CHICAGO! :-) ---------- From: danabt To: somms Subject: Re: Moshing &She'll never get out of here alive... Date: Thursday, October 31, 1996 1:48PM Ideally (well, in my little mind anyway!) the mosh pits could move towards the sides or a way back from the stage so the people who really want to SEE the band (how much of the show do you really see while you're moshing??) could get near the front, dance around and watch the band. (Not everyone, who doesn't mosh, sits in their seat like a zombie!) ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: FUCKING WEB HOGGERS!! Okay...I'm wondering if there is an SG conspiracy out there. Before I found Seth's website and joined SOMMS, I used the Excite search engine(my favorite) to find SG stuff. The first 30 documents consisted of web pages from fans and miscellaneous SG stuff. I was very pissed today because I was looking for SG stuff using the same engine, and lo and behold! It seems as if imusic is trying to get everyone to go their site!! what they do is put in a fake link, for example, [SOUNDGARDEN(Hater)]. They always put the word "SOUNDGARDEN" in caps also, so that you will get their entries first. What it is is a waste of web space. CORPORATE FUCKERS!! You know that those true fans with web pages will be shown last, the time when you get tired of searching through tens of entries. So far this is only happening on Excite, but could probably happen on Magellan or any other search engines. Any comments? RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: Re: zippy and his vast army of pinheads to open for soundgarden! At 09:15 PM 10/31/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hey there, > > I'm not sure about this, but I Thought I heard somewhere that >Spoonman is one of the fake song titles that Jeff Ament made up for the >Singles movie. Just like Seasons. Anyway, can someone verify that? I >think that's the story. > > > >Sachin > >> Yes, I heard the same thing. In fact, if I recall my Singles trivia, I think there was actually a whole "Citizen Dick" album that Ames faked, complete w/ titles. Is my memory serving me right, listers? have a weekend....deb ------------------------------ From: "Polly, Eliza" Subject: RE: FUCKING WEB HOGGERS >>It seems as if imusic is trying to get everyone to go their site!! I don't know the whole scoop, but I heard that when Silver Mgmt. called Kathie about our meeting the band in Chicago, Erin made some comments about the new imusic site, like trying to get us all to go check it out.....don't know the details, Kath? --eliza LEAVING FOR CHICAGO ONE WEEK FROM TODAY!!! ------------------------------ From: CAMPBELLCG@bvu.edu Subject: Chicago Show Just got my Chicago tix in the mail and am thoroughly and extremly stoked. Any word on the meeting ?????????? One excited Iowan biff also, I'm from Storm Lake and if there are any SOMMS partners in crime in this area, send me a mail, and we'll get together. ------------------------------ From: Fett81@aol.com Subject: BUTOW! Howdy! The BUTOW video is great! I just saw it today (Friday) at 8 am. I heard an sommster say that it was related to A Clockwork Orange. If it is, in what ways is it? I haven't seen the movie. -Fett ------------------------------ From: CAMPBELLCG@bvu.edu Subject: chicago show Is it true that they won't be allowing moshing at the Chicago shows? Or do they just kina say that? That's cool if the're not. I'm tired of having to watch my head to keep it from being cracked when I should be paying attention to the band. On the other hand I hope it dosn't get too strict. I went to a Pumpkins concert and there were all assigned seats and you had to stay in them, they were extremly strict. But I guess that might just be that venue. By the way, is there any word on what's going on in the way of meeting at the Chicago show, or I'm I just missing out completely? I'm getting really excited though. Only one more week to wait!! one psyched Iowan biff also, I'm from the NW part of the state and was wondering if anyone else out there is in this area? I'm looking for you..... ------------------------------ From: Valahovic Subject: RE: Moshing Stephanie Valahovic COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu Wrote: > I'm totally fed up with moshing and I am a 34 year old female > who still gets crushed but can take it like any man! No one > has the right to tell me to go sit in the back if I can't take > getting beat up just to see my favorite band. > I'm a 29 year old female 5'6" tall, and I hear what your saying Bonnie. The individuals who think that moshing and/or crowed surfing: 1. is just part of the show. 2. they have never been hurt so it's Ok. 3. just killing time. 4. it's fun. 5. it's an energy release. 6. The music made me do it. ...These are the same individuals... That drive their cars: fast, while drunk, and/or cut in front of you, because... 1. It's the rule of the road 2. They have never been hurt 3. They are late 4. It's a rush. 5. The music made me do it. 6. The alcohol made me drive my car back home from the bar. Being someone who suffered an accident while hiking (I fell 30ft from a leadge onto solid rock 5yrs ago) and has limitations in both my left arm and leg, I could end up serioulsy hurt by moshers and crowd surfers. I just wonder if people think about those people in the audience who can't take the bashing because of physical handicaps. AMMENDOZA@SCUACC.SCU.EDU wrote: > the music of the nineties is so energetic that concert goers need a way > to release this adrenaline flow; hence the mosh pit. i am really getting > tired of complainers!! > Hey, I almost lost my limbs once, not to mention my life, I'd like to keep them and I don't buy the energy thing. It's a matter of respect and restraint. There are ways to release your energy in a peaceful considerate way and still have fun. ------------------------------ From: Luck's Last Match Subject: Moshing Well, i'm of a mixed mind when it comes to moshing...i hate crowd surfers because i'm 6'3" and they always end up kicking me in the head when i'm interested in the show...but moshing...moshing is necessary...but its also dangerous...i'm old enough to know better but i'm still to young to care (hey, i'm in NC i can't help but hear country music--besides, all the great musicians will tell you that there is something to be learned from every type of music. ask SG...) But back to the point. I don't think i could have kept my bodily functions in order at Helmet if it wasn't for moshing. there was so much energy...just like at Lolla during SG. But i had to watch sg the whole time and because of moshers i had left my glasses elsewhere so i couldn't see as good as i would've liked. Moshing took away from that, but in the same day i moshed with Rancid during the Ramones, and that was a big high. Don't get me wrong, i never think that pulling innocent bystanders into the pit is a good thing (unless they are your friends and can take it), and i don't believe in trampling over people. Moshing is much more benevolent in Southeastern VA. If someone falls down, everyone stops until others help them to their feet. And the mosh pits are never near the stage...the people who want a good view of the band are completely safe. I miss that. Too bad SG is to big to play at the Boathouse. Maybe Hampton Colliseum word work. Shroom, after Chris wakes up, tell him to add that date to the tour. Jan 2, at Hampton Colliseum..... ok, i'm done now. laters. -j "Stand up and everyone will see your holiness" -Soundgarden. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: FUCKING WEB HOGGERS From: seth > >>It seems as if imusic is trying to get everyone to go their site!! > > > I don't know the whole scoop, but I heard that when Silver Mgmt. called > Kathie about our meeting the band in Chicago, Erin made some comments about > the new imusic site, like trying to get us all to go check it out.....don't > know the details, Kath? Well, it makes sense that the management and iMusic would want people to visit the official site. That's why it's there, no? It would be silly for the management to shell out money for a site if nobody visits, and I'm positive that part of iMusic's contract (and actually, part of any paid Web designer's contract) specifies that they have to advertise it to the best of their ability. Fortunately, advertising is not in my Unofficial Soundgarden Homepage Contract. I had to take a pay cut, but it saves me some time. :) seth ------------------------------ From: Toni M Roark Subject: Re: you wimps..get out of the pit At 07:08 AM 11/1/96 -0600, you wrote: >didnt chris say "if you cant handle a bloody noze ,then get the hell the >out(of the pit)"? All we're saying is put the pit in back. All you sexually frustrated young men that just want some physical contact with each other should stay and grope and fall all over each other in the dark towards the back of the venue. The rest of us that want to watch the band and dance( without hurting one another) can be up front! I wonder when the last time Chris has been in a pit? The ol boy isn't getting any younger and is problably leary of that bloody nose now!! What do you say ladies.......think I pissed em off???? Just kidding.... I know all our Somms brothers are studs in the first degree and aren't frustrated just energetic right??? Especially you Big Joe...don't want you kickin my old tired butt next weekend. wimpette #1 toni ------------------------------ From: JASNL@aol.com Subject: Latest video Hi kids, I'm back. Bet some of you didn't even know I was gone (I don't post much: too intimidated, you see). I just sifted through about five weeks of posts -- I've been really busy. I missed you all ! Anyway...thoughts on the latest video?? I am rather happy with it -- Chris is a better actor now than he was in "Singles"!! I do think some of the reaction shots are a bit contrived, in particular reactions to Hitler, Nixon, some Mother scenes. But overall, I think it's a pretty damn good video. Kim's hair in a ponytail!?!?!? Whazzup wit dat?! Another criticism is the blatant Christ reference with Chris(t) "nailed" (tied) to the cross (chair). MTV thinks we're all stupid and need an image pounded over the head to get it. My question is, to you 600 members of my family, for those of you who have seen "A Clockwork Orange", is it a direct lift from the movie, or different enough to gain your respect? I have not myself seen the movie, so I don't rightly know. Chris is lookin' pretty good. In fact, he looks like he's about 18!! Jailbait (yum)!! It's good to be back. <> (Kiss with big wet tongue.) Lookin' California (San Francisco is sunny today), Sally ------------------------------ From: JASNL@aol.com Subject: Oh, and... Did I mention that I am SICK with jealousy over those of you who get to meet them in Chicago?? SICK with jealousy. Happy for you; SICK with jealousy. Lucky you!! Sally ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: hater, assholes and the real other side of the moshing coin this should be a happy, enthusiastic post about what a great time we all had at the hater show last night. it's not. all of us got there very very VERY early last night and staked out the front of the stage -- and then spent the show fending off drunk assholes who took advantage of the fact that it was mostly grrrls at the front of the stage and spent the ENTIRE SHOW intentionally and deliberately "moshing" (read: run full into us from as far back as they could go, repeatedly). who kept yelling, 'ben, play something fast so these pussies in the front will get out of the way'. this wasn't moshing. i grew up in mosh pits -- black flag, the dead kennedys, the circle jerks, the clash. NO ONE behaved like the assholes last night did, or the *crowd* would throw them out, if the bouncers didn't first. and if that didn't happen, the band would speak up. (but that's another point i'll get to later) this was violence for violence's sake. licence to kill, practically. notice how all the pro-moshing posts are from guys? of course they are. no one's going to be putting their hands all over you, or rubbing their dick up against you. no one's saying, 'oh good, it's a girl. i can beat the shit out of her and she'll move', which is what was happening last night. misongystic assholes with small dicks. there was such hatred in their eyes and such glee when they would grab us and we would react. these are the kind of fuckheads who beat up their girlfriends. this one guy kept taunting shroom over and over and over again to the point where i almost beat the shit out of him. chris spent the show going back and forth along our line, trying to keep everyone from getting the shit beat out of them. aaron had to leave, i think because he probably would have killed someone. ryan almost did. and the assholes knew exactly what they were doing. the only way they can prove that they are men is to beat the shit out of someone in public. [*ahem* disclaimer--> i know not all men are like this. i know a great many of you on this list are not like this. no one i know is like this. so you walk around in this little bubble of equality and humanism, and then you run into people like this. it's *1996* for christ's sake. you'd think we'd have evolved beyond this... i guess not] this was not about energetic expression of enjoying the music. this was about 5 guys deciding that we didn't belong down front and them deciding to beat the crap out of us. that is what the mosh pit these days is USUALLY about. if you wanted to see energetic expression of enjoying the music, you should have looked at us. the evening began with some brainless fuck throwing shit at ben -- spitting, lit cigarettes, lemons, ice. so, ben spit at him (cool, i hear you say. so why did me and andrea and chris have to get spit on as well? i'm sorry, but it is NOT AN HONOR). and then a few songs later, ben got tired of it and jumped in the audience to go after the idiot. cool, right? no, because he (i mean *BEN*) fucking kicked *me* -- HARD -- in the nose and lip when he did it. it's still swollen, my lip is still swollen, and i couldn't breathe all night. and to make matters worse, he didn't even fucking APOLOGIZE when he got back onstage. i was sitting on the edge of the stage, badly shaken up, bruised and crying -- and no one on that stage gave a damn. no one. so why didn't i move, some of you probably are asking (aside from those of you secretly glad that i got the shit beat out of me)? because moving would have let the assholes win. i wanted to see that fucking show! i had a 102.5 temperature all day yesterday, i didn't go to work, and i dragged my sorry ass to the damn hater show because i've been looking forward to it since they announced it. i waited there since 8pm and i sat down front on the stage through some very sucky bands and i had EVERY RIGHT TO BE THERE. although, to tell you the truth, it was wasted. the whole thing was wasted on me. they were great. they played really well. andrea said that it was the best she had ever seen them. if soundgarden broke up they'd have nothing to worry about. i stayed down front to take pictures though my heart wasn't in it any longer, for seth and justin, mostly justin, who will never get to see hater probably. i was also so shellshocked and the crowd was so bad i wouldn't have known where to go, besides home. i was angry at ben and matt for letting the crowd continue. no other club in seattle would have permitted that. and ben fucking OWNS the ok! i was angry at them for letting macho dickheads fuck with their loyal fans, even if they happen to be women. i was angry at my own hypocricy for not moving, for sitting through the show. and now, without sounding overly dramatic, i don't know what to do. i am so unbelievably disgusted at ben and matt's behavior that there's no way it can't effect how i feel about soundgarden in future. i lost all respect for them last night. this is how much they care about their fans? if so, i really want nothing to do with this band. if eddie vedder can stop a stadium of 50,000 people, they could have taken two fucking seconds to stop the mess last night. andrea's seen them four times now and it has NEVER been like this. it should never be like it was. hanging out with everyone was fun last night. chris and i gave matt a copy of our recently-acquired 1st generation temple of the dog live video and got to talk to him about pearl jam. he actually answered a couple of really vital and long unknown questions and was really nice about the whole thing. (i'm going to write up what we found out and put it on my pearl jam page first gang -- i'm sorry, i'm not going to waste it here. we've been waiting for this for MONTHS, if not years ;-) ). i had a ramones button to give to ben but i didn't have a good moment and i didn't want to bother him and now quite frankly i'm glad i didn't because he doesn't fucking deserve it. real punk rockers give a shit about what happens in the pit. i know that dena talked to john mc bain and he specifically mentioned chris mackenzie by name. ;-) i also suspect that both john and matt are big who fans, because when matt asked us if we were going to watch hovercraft and chris and i told him that we've seen them a zillion times, he asked us if it was true that they opened for the who, which they did. they were really bummed. ;-) when john was tuning later he started playing a little bit of the 'overture' from tommy! it was great and i even yelled for them to play a who song later, in one of the few calm and enjoyable moments during the show. (chris yelled for 'sheena is a punk rocker' and ben gave him the strangest look...) but still... when i think about it it all makes me sick. this is the same band that printed 'NO MOSHING OR CROWDSURFING' on the tickets for chicago. it would have taken one word. one. this is a club that holds about 150-200 - -- you can't tell me they didn't see, VERY CLEARLY, exactly what was going on. so either they didn't care... or they thought it was okay. and that's something i'm going to have to think about very long and hard. it's certainly going to affect how i act as a fan. i'll probably buy the records, but they are in my eyes no longer worry of my extra money, devotion and energy. i'm not going to be checking seth's web page for typos/errors when i can't sleep at 3am (although i'd probably do it because i consider seth a friend). i know that shroom et al tried to stay after the show to give matt and ben their somms shirts. i don't know what happened because we didn't stay. andrea left as quickly as she could before i had a chance to remember that it was THURSDAY and therefore no busses at 2am. chris and i ran outside and managed to grab a cab. there was no way i was going to be able to stay without confronting the guys about their behavior, and i didn't want to ruin it for everyone else. we are the kind of fans a band really WANTS at the end of the day and i'm not so sure that soundgarden deserve us. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: hi hi, i'm new to the list. i love soundgarden.. they rock!!!!! does = anybody know if they're touring anytime soon? i'd love to see them, i've = never been to a concert before... that would be cool!!! ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: hi At 05:10 PM 11/1/96 -0600, infinite wrote: > > > hi, i'm new to the list. i love soundgarden.. they rock!!!!! does anybody know if they're touring anytime soon? i'd love to see them, i've never been to a concert before... that would be cool!!! > very funny kevin. you know, we all were newbies to soundgarden and the net once. we all went to our first concert at some time in our life. it's the fall. freshman account season. aol's new unlimited pricing plan. we're going to have new people. we all were new on this list once. perhaps one of these new people will become a great contributor to our community. i don't see the reason to ridicule or otherwise make them feel uncomfortable. then again, i guess this was probably a 'joke' that i didn't get, right? - --caryn ------------------------------ From: "Duksu Kim" Subject: Re: BUTOW! Hi! 'A Clockwork Orange' is made by Kubrick, Stanley in 1971. This film is set on some futuristic vision of director. It's famous for one of three future trilogy. One is '2001:A Space Odyssey', 'Dr. Strangelove or How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb' are the rest of them. I think it's pretty good movie. Chris Cornell is strapped in some chair and set to watch some screen in BUTOW music video. This situation is same to 'Clockwork Orange'. Alex starring by Malcom McDowell is obssesed in ultra violence but he caught and the government make new treatment on him. Like showing how violnce bad is. If you want to know more abouit this movie, please check out Internet Movie Database. (http://us.imdb.com) Bye. Duksu Kim ------------------------------ From: Valahovic Subject: Re: Re: Why is Cris being tortured? Kathie From: Stephanie Valahovic November 01, 1996 The lyrics to BUTOW to me have something to do with ugly truths that are willingly acknowleged but yet are not allowed to become part of the individual. However, there is the struggle between accepting the limitation of not being able to rid oneself of these truths, and yet wishing these truth didnt exsist. I've never seen it as an interpretation of a struggle with his creative nature. Depression or any mental conflict, tends to lend itself well to artistic creativity, but your idea is a interesting possibility. Thanks for the polite response to my message. Kathie Wrote: > I know what you mean about Chris' lyrics, and I was glad > to see your post. I've mentioned several times that I see > alot of frustration with the music business in Chris' music. > I think he feels that his creativity has been somewhat stifled > by the business, and I would say he would seethis as painful, > or "torture". > ------------------------------ From: fopp@naplesnet.com Subject: BIG WIMPS stand back for your own safety Hey man I didn't mean to get ya all fired up . im just saying that the front man of our favorite band thinks moshing is an important part of a SG show . I have noticed over the last 10 years that the fans at SG shows are alot wimper now ,than from the Ultramega age. and my guess why that is becouse of the SG direction change(music wise) towards the more "popy" sound ,geting away from the bone crushing riffs from there first four albums. and I'm truely sorry that a lot of you can't handle the front of the show ,in fact I can't handle being close to rail for very long,but thats just old age for ya. fopp oh ya the reason the pit is up front is becouse it would be a long stage dive if it were in the back. ------------------------------ From: Cynthia Siragusa Subject: Re: BIG WIMPS stand back for your own safety fopp@naplesnet.com wrote: > > Hey man I didn't mean to get ya all fired up . im just saying that the > front man of our favorite band thinks moshing is an important part of a > SG show . I have noticed over the last 10 years that the fans at SG > shows are alot wimper now ,than from the Ultramega age. and my guess why > that is becouse of the SG direction change(music wise) towards the more > "popy" sound ,geting away from the bone crushing riffs from there first > four albums. and I'm truely sorry that a lot of you can't handle the > front of the show ,in fact I can't handle being close to rail for very > long,but thats just old age for ya. > > fopp > > oh ya the reason the pit is up front is becouse it would be a long stage > dive if it were in the back. What an ignoramus! Many of us were moshing and slamming and diving while you were still in training pants. SG has not gotten "popy" (that's poppy) nor their fans "wimper" (wimpier, is that what you meant?, fool), but their (not "there" in this usage) music has evolved and we've evolved, which someday, you may or may not do. It's called maturity, not old-age. Maturity - wow, what a concept! Cyn ------------------------------ From: Cynthia Siragusa Subject: Re: hater, assholes and the real other side of the moshing coin caryn rose wrote: > this should be a happy, enthusiastic post about what a great time we all had at the hater show last night. it's not. That really sux!! I was so looking forward to reading about the fab time y'all had. THIS KIND OF SHIT HAS TO STOP!!!! > this wasn't moshing. i grew up in mosh pits -- black flag, the dead kennedys, the circle jerks, the clash. NO ONE behaved like the assholes last night did, or the *crowd* would throw them out, if the bouncers didn't first. and if that didn't happen, the band would speak up. or even jump in to assist in an out-of-control pit where someone was in great peril. It is a crushing blow to discover that these people we admire and devote so much time, money, energy, respect, etc. to don't give a flying fuck about us. > this was violence for violence's sake. licence to kill, practically The glee and hatred described in their eyes is truly frightening, and the groping and fondling demeaning. > so why didn't i move, some of you probably are asking because moving would have let the assholes win. i wanted to see that fucking show! and i had EVERY RIGHT TO BE THERE. Damn right you did! This is what it has come to; if you are female and wish to see a show which involves loud guitars, you need a personal fucking bodyguard. But poor Caryn et al had a few guys looking out for them and still. Women are NOT second class citizens, and I don't want to hear shit like we know its coming or we want it and deserve it because we're there and we should just go with it. THAT'S WHAT THEY USED TO TELL RAPE VICTIMS! We have every right to attend and more importantly ENJOY concerts! I feel so sorry and sick for you guys. Wielding a ton of rage, Cyn ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: JCP: The Motion Picture Well, I invested the 1.5 hours it takes to download the JCP video tonight, and all I can say is "Wow!" I've never seen it before. (Back in '91, I was still real into Zeppelin, Floyd, and Rush. I hadn't "discovered" this new generation of rock yet...) I have to admit, it was already my favorite SG song, and the video only makes it more so. So now I'm wondering... Geoff, where did you get this? Is it available on video, or were you fortunate enough to have recorded it off the TV? Now that I've seen the MPEG version, I must see the full size (and full framed) TV version. Too bad MTV doesn't have the guts to play it. Greg ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: They've arrived Down Under..... Dena, you little GEM!! :-) My hat & t-shirt arrived in Australia today! I can now see what all the = fuss has been about. They really ARE very professional. The hat & = shirt are good quality, and the embroidering and printing are first = class also. CONGRATULATIONS! Thank you sooooo much. Dena, please email me when you've returned from your holiday.......... Cheers, Carolyn the Marble Fruitcake And if you live you can fall to pieces and suffer with my = ghost.....Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu (Vasant Ramamurthy) Subject: FS: SOMMS binkado@aol.com is selling SOMMS for $30 ppd. And for god's sake, email him, not me!!! Vasant ****************************************************************************** THE REFUGE OF THE DAMNED - Check out lots o' music stuff here!! http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu "When new damage comes, it's a new word for plague, a new world order, a new word for hate" - New Damage - Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: zippy and his vast army of pinheads to open for soundgarden! In answer to your question: "Why does Jeff Ament get credit for the title?" It's because in the movie Singles, on the fictional CD for the fictional group 'Citizen Dick', Jeff Ament created teh CD & CD cover and on teh CD he made up asong called Spoonman. This is what I believe is behind the credit. I read it somewhere years ago, but I can't remember where now for sure. Lance ------------------------------ From: AntiDog@aol.com Subject: A bit on Moshing.... << > Although I agree that moshing is a unescapable fact of today's heavy > concerts, that does'nt reconsile the fact that people should be able to > get close to thier favorite bands without being injured. Your > philosophy of "if you can't handle it then go to the back" is exactly > the attitude people should *NOT* have. Personally, I am a rather big, >> I've been reading the moshing thread bits and I have this to add: it used to be that at the front of the crowd, pressed against the stage, were tons and tons of screaming, prostrated girls. Now, with moshing, I think it's virtually impossible to get such a gathering chanting in front of the band. I wonder if Soundgarden prefers to look at a bunch of whacked out angry men or screaming girls? I think FUGAZI handles it well: when they were here (in San Diego) for a show last year, they refused to play until the crowd had stopped surfing and pounding each other into the metal restraining fence. They would STOP playing as soon as someone was hoisted above for a little surf fest. It took them about 5-minutes to get their point across and it was a great, long show. Frankly, it was a much more enjoyable show this way, e.g., without the distraction and threat of the ever-violent, ever-enlarging pit. At a Fishbone show, back when MOSHING was really SLAM DANCING, it was still a more tolerable thing: the slamming generally wasn't right next to the stage. The slamming was more central in the middle of the floor. (And, if you didn't get too close to the guys with the razors in their hair, it was safer). My final say, and then I'll end this, is just that no one is MORE ENTITLED than anyone else to be in their space to hear and see the performance they paid for. The aforementioned attitude, "if you can't handle it then go to the back", suggests that physical size and/or interest in violent punching and moshing entitles some concert goers to MORE space than other fans. What are the options? A divided floor with a prescribed moshing section and an outlined not-moshing section? The freedom of moshing is mutually exclusive with my ideal version of concert freedom. ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 292] ****************************************