From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 30 Oct 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 02:04:08 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 30 Oct 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Why is Chris being Tortured? I LOVE SOUNDGARDEN FROM AUSTRALIA Re: TOTD Re: SoUnDGaRdeN Re: Brandeis Show What I bought Re:MOSHING Well I had a dream the other night... RE: LA Tix & Female fans RE: thread jumping..cover versions drown in alcohol RE: I'm the beast and you're the master sg parodies Seattle bound! Fett has an opinion too............ my feet are bigger (an oldie, but a goodie)... Meeting place for Chicago? outshined etc Finally back in action..... Re: MOSHING question Re: Strong SG women (maybe not) ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Valahovic Subject: Why is Chris being Tortured? From: Stephanie Valahovic (former lurker) After reading alot of the past posts on the BBS, and reading some of the archives from the Mailing list about the dark lyrics and the symbolism of the crucified jesus. Then I looked at the stills of the 'BUTOW' video on Seths page, and there it is again. Does anyone have any ideas on why Chris uses the symoblism of being persecuted? If you have seen the video or looked at the clips, what is your interpretation of Chris' in the chair watching himself and his band on TV, and at the same time being tortured in a business suite? ------------------------------ From: John Rudder Subject: I LOVE SOUNDGARDEN FROM AUSTRALIA I am from australia and i think soundgarden are a great band. I am looking forward to seeing them at the BIG DAY OUT here in Sydney Australia at the end of the year.If you talk to me leave Email for SPIDER. ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: Re: TOTD At 04:43 PM 10/28/96 -0500, you wrote: >did anyone else hear about a SECOND Temple of the Dog album? i heard >something about it in passing on one of the local stations last week, but >i didn't catch the whole convo, so i'm not sure exactly what they were >talking about. dare i dream it? > >another place to hide it all From all I've ever heard or read, there are no plans to ever do another TOTD album. It was a one-off, tribute album. Anybody else hear of or know anything else? usdeb ------------------------------ From: "Tocco, Johnna" <0022371@gpn.gp.k12.mi.us> Subject: Re: SoUnDGaRdeN I want to share some good news about Soundgarden. On November 12 I am going to their concert at the Palace of Auburn Hills, MI and I think it will rock. Soundgarden has gotten alot better and I think I appreciate them more than I did a few years ago. But after I see them live I'm sure I will have a much better appreciation for them. I'll tell you about it after I see them. Later, Johnna ------------------------------ From: Sachin Trivedi Subject: Re: Brandeis Show Hey there, That sounds good to me, since I'm, probably going to have to end up taking the commuter rail there anyway. Sachin On Mon, 28 Oct 1996 Fett81@aol.com wrote: > Howdy! > > Anybody going to the Brandeis show have any ideas on places > to meet? I was thinking that the commuter rail station down the hill from > the auditorium might be a good place. Any suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > -Fett > > > > ------------------------------ From: Tiffany S StClaireMefret Subject: What I bought I found one of those promotional cds (into the upside) at a used record store for $9.99. I like the picture of the band that's inside it. Kim acutally has his eyes open and is looking at the camera... ------------------------------ From: Paul_Faraguna@dbna.com (Paul Faraguna) Subject: Re:MOSHING Greetings fellow SOMMSters, Although I'm not a fan of moshing or crowd-surfing per se, and it wouldn't bother me in the least if it was banned, it's "presence" at the NYC LOLLA show, that I went to, did enhance the concert for me. This is probably because it was my first direct experience with the phenomenon, and it was novel. Before LOLLA I hadn't been to a concert in a while and not one by a group who's music inspired it. Either that or I was so far away from the stage that it had no impact on me. Be that as it may, I went to LOLLA with my buddy Mike, specifically to see SG. Just before they came on I said, "Lets get as close as we can, I want to seem them up close." We worked our way to within about 30' of the stage. There was a small mosh pit going on even though the band had yet to appear. We stayed at the perimeter of the pit just watching. All of a sudden SG came on. The crowd surged forward and at the same time the pit expanded. We were now just barely inside it! I wasn't scared, but I didn't intend to stay either. We pushed our way back. All of a sudden a hole opened in the crowd. I jumped in, thinking we were safe. All of a sudden, Mike yanked me back because he realized that it was ANOTHER pit. Anyway, the whole point to this is that, once we were semi-safely on the edge of the pit; watching the shear anarchy of the pit in conjunction with the force of SG's music and the occasional surfer being passed overhead, was INTENSE! I had never seen raw energy like that at a concert before. There is an element of danger in SG's music alone, which is very seductive. The added danger of being physically on the edge of the pit just added to it. At least that ONE time. I have no need to repeat the experience. But for a while, I have to admit, it was cool. This is by NO means an endorsement of moshing or crowd surfing. Just my own experience. Later, Paul "No mam, we're musicians." "Yeah, we're on a mission from God." ------------------------------ From: Seth Ward Subject: Well I had a dream the other night... Actually I had two dreams, and they both had Soundgarden in them! Am I lucky or what? The first one was last week after we were discussing an Unplugged show. I dreamed that it really happened, and a bunch of us from the list got to go. Pretty cool. They opened up with Searching with my Good Eye Closed and it was one of the coolest things I ever heard (or dreamed, I guess). After that the dream went off on a tangent and that was that. The second dream was a lot wierder and occured after I fell asleep waiting for the damn BUTOW video. I dreamed that the video came on and in my version, SG was playing the song at a dance in my old high school. Really wierd, everyone was dressed up in their country/western gear (northern redneck territory, if you may recall) and getting really rowdy. The band just keeps playing like they're really trying to get this message across, but only like six or seven people really even give a shit that they are there. This seems to distress Chris quite a bit, but the wierdest is yet to come. Right at the line: "Nothing seems to kill me, no matter how hard I try." (Which comes in the third verse in my dream) it's not Chris singing, but Kurt Cobain. Plus it was a real close up camera shot and he's just kind of staring out at these idiots in the crowd. I was pretty unnerved when I woke up, which was wierd because I was never really that moved by the guy, but it was kind of eerie the way my subconscience (sp?) set it up. But I digress. Freud would say that I dreamed this because they had played a Nirvana video when I was sleeping by the TV. Sorry for the ramblings, but I thought maybe someone might find it interesting. Later, A different Seth ------------------------------ From: Monnica Lewis Subject: RE: "Seasons" is on the Singles soundtrack. It's a great album, (with a couple of exceptions, imho), you should check it out! Monnica ---------- From: cs95ajs To: somms Date: Thursday, October 24, 1996 12:03PM Also, where can Seasons be found? ppl keep saying how much they like it etc and I have never seen it anywhere - it's driving me nuts! Andy ------------------------------ From: AvAndrea@aol.com Subject: LA Tix & Female fans Hey listers! I posted a few weeks ago about a pair of tix to SG's Dec. 1 show in LA at Universal Amp. I still have those if anyone's interested. I'd really like to get rid of them cause I can't go to that show (I'll be in Seattle!!!!:-) and I finally got tix to the Dec. 2 show(and better seats at that!!). So e-mail directly if you want one or both of the 12-1 tix. About the whole female fan thing. It's been interesting reading everyone's responses (yes, I've been lurking for a few weeks, shame on me!!) and I have to say I really don't know about the aggression thing, I've never really thought about it that way. Their music just makes me FEEL good. Ironic considering the dark nature of a lot of the songs, I guess. But it sometimes feels like they're speaking my mind before I even knew that's what I was thinking. And I don't just mean the lyrics either (although they are amazing!). It's the sounds, the arrangements, Kim's bad attitude, everything. I've been a fan since LTL and I've seen them several times and my love this band just continues to grow. I have several other female friends who are really into them but not in the borderline obsessive way that I am. And although I don't post much, I'm listening to you guys and I feel right at home:-) ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: thread jumping..cover versions Infinite (Kevin) wrote: >> best Sg cover song: probably Girl U Want... but if we count the = M.A.C.C. thing, go w/ Hey Baby...... =20 >> worst Sg cover: ...... uhh...... i'll disagree w/ ray and say into = the void.... just doesn't have the sabbath power to it... sounds boring = to me.. (plus i like homicidal suicidal!! hehehe) I've noticed a lot of people suggest Devo's "Girl U Want" as the best SG = cover song. Hmmmm, not to me, it's not. My reason for this is probably = the same reason Kevin has as disliking the cover of "Into the Void" - he = liked the original song first. I see what he means when he says that = version is a little boring - I myself like it, but it IS rather slowish = compared with the original. =20 I guess that's why I'm not so keen on "Girl U Want". Yes, I'm old = enough to have been there when this song was first put out by Devo - I = bought two Devo tapes at the time and adored that song! :-) So when = another band sings it (even if that band IS Soundgarden), I'm afraid I = don't like it as much........... Just my thoughts, Carolyn the Maudlin Fiasco I'm just the girl, just the girl, the girl you want! ------------------------------ From: "D. Murphy" Subject: drown in alcohol calling all nor'west sommsters! are we going to be able to do anything about this 'meeting the band' deal? given the chicago group's success, i think that we can really do it. the question now being, what the hell do i/we do about it. i know we have a message in at someone at silver, but is a formal letter in order? what the heck can we do? (caryn? bonnie?) also, if any of the seattle-area members are planning to get together this week while we have our distinguished guests from out of town (no, not matt and ben, tho i know they're here too) i would like in on it. ooh, could we even go out for coffee??? dan, sporting his brand-spanking-new SOMMS t-shirt, which no one understands around here.... got G.A. tix for 12/11 and waiting on a copy of BiMH from australia =========================================================================== danno@wood.net / levitan@u.washington.edu "I bet that if you are a young Mafia gangster out on your first date, it would be really embarrassing to be shot dead on the street." and if you don't vote, don't bitch.... ============================================================================ ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: I'm the beast and you're the master Blind Dog wrote: >>with regards to the recent thread on female soundgarden fans, I wonder if many female listers are offended in any way (but primarily in = a lyrical sense, I guess) by songs like big bottom or big dumb sex? not that I think you are all fragile, but these songs are generally viewed = as demeaning to women. in this case, however, I'm not so sure. Eliza replied (and I saw this reply before reading Justin's question!): >>>>good question, justin.....being a female and a lister, i will = answer..... i am not offended at all......... Eliza, I agree with you. As Justin knows, when he did a survey some = time back on the favourite song from pre-BMF albums, my immediate = response (with no thought even needed) was "Big Dumb Sex"!! I just love = it. It's just so, so, so.......WILD and fun with such a "who gives a = shit what you think - if you're too dumb to realise I'm poking fun at = other bands then that's your problem" attitude. And the melody and = sound and rhythm is so ENERGETIC! :-) So those lyrics don't offend me at all. HOWEVER, I'd be careful who I = played that song around, because if the humour wasn't noticed then I = guess I WOULD find the song offensive....... Carolyn (with NO more Somms posts to read - I've sat here for over two = hours now!) the Messed-up and Frizzed Yeah, I know what to do........Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: sg parodies http://www.twistedtunes.com/seattle.htm check out 'reignman' and 'asshole son'. (the others are prtty funny too, but maybe not so funny if you don't live in seattle) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: iawake@ix.netcom.com (Chris (SGardnGrl)) Subject: Seattle bound! Well all...Terri, Tim, hubby and I are off to Seattle... Here we come Dena, Shroom, Soundgarden, Hater and the rest of you Sommsters up there! We will get there about 10:30am and look forward to pounding the door down to Shroom & Dena's room, and wake their exausted butts up!!! If you hear pounding on your door Shroom, it's not the police, and it's not Susan Silver comin to hunting you down....it's me! Christy! All set to drag you both out of bed & party hardy in the Emerald City!!!! Will keep ya all posted via Shrooms laptop...:-)~ - -Christy (SGardnGrl) ------------------------------ From: Fett81@aol.com Subject: Fett has an opinion too............ Howdy! Upon reading one of the above entries about moshing I could only do one thing.....TOTALLY AGREE! Moshers are the stupidist bunch of morons an the face of the earth. They have ruined every concert that I have ever been to (with the exception of a Page/Plant show). At Lollapalooza I was simply trying to bask(que?) in the glory of Kim, when a fuck-up pulled me into a mosh pit during Ty Cobb. Anyway, to all guitar players, there is the greatest poster ever to be printed in this months issue of Guitar World. It's of KIM'S GUILD S-100!! Sure, Marilyn Manson may be on the cover just discard the rest of the mag. Also, I wonder if MTV banned SG's video for BUTOW. Maybe they found it too explicit for viewers. Hints of JCP? -Fett ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: my feet are bigger (an oldie, but a goodie)... this is a new post, rather than an old post, so everyone can ease up on their collective deleting fingers. now that I have that out of the way, this is a very small tidbit I found in guitar player (october 96). it is taken from an interview with gary lee conner, lead guitarist with the screaming trees. ...now his main tree ax is a '72 sunburst les paul custom he got from soundgarden's chris cornell, who co-produced the tree's '91 _uncle anasthesia_. "I traded him a silver-glitter gretsch. I *still* can't believe he wanted to part with it! but he's never asked about it since then...". good to see that even with all their busy schedules, some of the musicians in seattle still have time to do stuff together. even if it is just trading equipment :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: gwm@starnetinc.com Subject: Meeting place for Chicago? Any info on this? And, is it just Nov. 9 where you guys are going to meet SG? I just found out that I CAN'T go to the Nov. 9 show, but I've still got my tickets for Nov. 10. Crossing my fingers! And to think I was so close! That would suck. Forget about it, lay it to me straight, I can take it! Dave Miller ********************************************* *I like to trade bootlegs. * *Check out my Pearl Jam homepage at: * *http://pwp.starnetinc.com/gwm/pearl.htm * *You can find my bootlist there * *PEARL JAM AND SOUNDGARDEN RULE! * ********************************************* ------------------------------ From: UnknownFan@aol.com Subject: outshined etc hey guys-- just wanted to let you know that i heard outshined *twice* on the radio today. at 8:30am on dc101 (washington) (it was two for tuesday) and around 6:30pm tonight on 98 Rock (baltimore.) it is 11pm right now and dc101 is playing sg again--another twofer: black hole sun and burden. psyche! laura ------------------------------ From: southside@nwu.edu (Andy Hanacek) Subject: Finally back in action..... Hey everyone, After a long wait, I finally got my email back up and running, and I finally got back on the list. I was just wondering if anyone was going to the Soundgarden show in Chicago on Nov. 9th? I think it'd be interesting to meet some of you folks on the list. It looks like it's gonna be one hell of a show, that's for sure. So gimme a reply if you're gonna be thereand we can figure something out......Enjoy the show! Andy Hanacek southside@nwu.edu "The discovery of the chrono-synclastic infundibulum said to mankind, in effect, 'What makes you think you're going anywhere?'" --"Sirens of Titan" by Kurt Vonnegut ------------------------------ From: Lauren Simonis Subject: Re: MOSHING On the subject of moshing, I'd just like to say that being a rather small woman, I almost got killed (no kidding -- I feared for my life) by big, sweaty, smelly, muddy men who pushed, smashed, jumped, etc. themselves all over me. I was quite near the front of the large crowd at Lollapalooza this summer, and discovered that it's not about enjoying the music and the experience for many of these people. It's how many people they can hit and how crazy they can get. It kinda took away from the experience when I had to divert my attention away from SG to these crazy people who weren't even paying attention to the show. I can understand getting into the music and getting a little excited, but let's not kill anyone, okay? Lauren PS I must add however that the though did occur to me that if I died watching SG perform live it would probably be the best way to go . . . ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: question i wondered why MACC is MACC.... it's almost the same line up as temple = of the dog (minus gossard)... maybe they just didn't want to beat the = name into the ground.. i think there should be a MACC album. a cover = album, even... they sound terrific together.. i couldn't believe how = much chris sounded like hendrix. and i don't believe there is anyone = who can imitate hendrix's playing better than mike mcready. he is so = great... of course, if there was a MACC album, we might not appreciate = hey baby as much.. (nahh....) kevin (who wishes he had a frilly jacket like hendrix at woodstock) ------------------------------ From: Cynthia Siragusa Subject: Re: Strong SG women (maybe not) oponfam@cnsnet.com wrote: > I'm definitely a lyric person and respond > particularly stongly to Chris' lyrics. I don't know that I've come > across too many men who can write such emotional lyrics. The first time > I heard Say Hello to Heaven I cried. I had never heard a song describe > the feelings of losing someone you love so perfectly. > Kathie You said that so beautifully. On Wed. Oct. 16th, I was told I had to put my cat, Joey Ramone, to sleep - my beloved, constant companion of 11 1/2 years. When I first got sick, HE KNEW, even when my ex wouldn't believe me. Talk about perfect love, no human will ever love me as perfectly, unconditionally as the kitty I brought to the big bad city from the farm in the back of my dad's pickup when he was so tiny his whole body could fit in the palm of my hand. As I held him until my ex arrived to say goodbye, I tried to sing him that song (Say Hello...) through the tears, along with other dopey little songs I'd make up and sing to him all the time. When I returned home to this place that still seems like a tomb, I put the TOTD CD on, and lit a candle for my baby's soul. Now I often cry at this line, one of the most incredible imho, but when Chris cries out "If somebody loved you and left you for dead" I lost it completely and just bawled and curled up in a fetal position on the floor til I woke up an hour or so later. The emotion was already there granted, but god, I love music that makes me FEEL something, that can evoke that intense of a response. And that's what Chris's lyrics and music do to me. Thanks, UltraMega Genius. And I'm lighting another candle for the best friemd I ever had. I miss you Joey! Wallowing in the blood and mud with all the other pigs, I am Cyn ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 289] ****************************************