From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 23 Oct 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 01:42:52 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 23 Oct 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Hater show on Halloween butow single Opening Act Re: In a striking motion, trees fall down........a (new?) thread Do we have to just like Barbie or what??? Vicki's Tour Diary Re: Vicki's Tour Diary Re: new pics Re: Opening Act Re: In a striking motion, trees fall down........a (new?) thread Re: Opening Act CD NOW Re: Vancouver Show Re: In a striking motion, trees fall down........a (new?) thread Metallica F.O.B.D.??? Re: butow single Re: Metallica F.O.B.D.??? Concert Review (Finland) Unreleased songs (was Re: butow single) boys n girls...... RE: Quick question about the Vancouver show sg and ime Acoustic RE: Opening Act SG on the radio Holy Shit! SG Dream new pics the irc RE: boys n girls...... RE: Acoustic Re: Acoustic Re: Acoustic Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 22 Oct 1996 Re: Unplugged Set list hmmmm Jason Everman Re: Hater show on Halloween Re: Jason Everman Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 22 Oct 1996 the head of god, on the wall... In a striking motion, trees fall down........a (new?) thread Guitars and singles.... I've got some ghosts in my closet... Dark Lord somms my essay on SOMMS@mit.edu Chatter ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Jen Kern" Subject: Hater show on Halloween Here's a quick update for those who don't already know about Hater tickets. They are on sale now --$8 advanced or $10 at the door. They still have lots available (as of 10/21) and can be purchased at either the OK Hotel after 5:00 pm or at Cellophane Square in the University District. See everyone there!!! JEN ------------------------------ From: "stella" Subject: butow single Has anyone got the BUTOW single yet? I've seen it for sale for weeks now in mail order catalogs. I don't know if it was a special order or what. And in one of the catalogs it said there was a US version. But there were no B-Sides. Just the LP & edit version of the song. Does anyone know about that? And is there any word on when the video will make its premier? Also, does anyone know if the LA show is sold out? The one at Universal Amp? That was the one I was planning on going to. If anyone in the southland can give me a number to ticketbastard (gotta love that term) that would be primo. Or if it's sold out and can help me in finding tix..that would be ruley too. peace... stella ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Opening Act I was wondering how many different opening acts SG was using on this tour. I know Rocket From The Crypt is doing most, if not all of the shows, but the other slot seems to be used by several bands. It was announced that Pond will be filling the first slot in Seattle. Pond is from Portland, by the way, and pretty cool live if I remember correctly. Anyways, I was just curious, and tired as hell. Gotta love midterms. The Chicago bound SOMMS Sheriff and List Thug, Aaron KIM THAYIL FOR PRESIDENT!!! F ------------------------------ From: Dee Dee Subject: Re: In a striking motion, trees fall down........a (new?) thread i have only heard songs from SU and DOTU om the radio...being one of those that discovered SG during the SU era, if i had left it up to the radio i would have never given them a chance...my first exposure was to BHS and FOBD, both of which at the time i did not like, of course now i have a different appreciation for them...especially after hearing chris do BHS solo at lolla...recently i heard spoonman on the radio...i was so surprised that i called the radio station and asked the DJ if he ever played pre-SU stuff...the answer being no of course and leading into a 30 min discussion on why...the bottom line being that they cater to "24-40 y/o white males" and that just isnt the kind of music their target audience listens to...anyway, i do have a point here...even tho the radio only plays the more popular stuff here, it still gives me a chill to hear it...i guess because, if only for the commercialized stuff, SG is still getting recognition and i like that... on a side note....has any one else noticed that there is a deficite of female fans, not on the list but in the world in general...it seems like women just dont get into them like guys do and i wonder why that is... i bring that up in part because a friend of mine introduced me to his girlfriend the other day...and to my amazement she is into SG...and not the new stuff either...she actually *knew* the early stuff, her fave being BMF...and she *knew* TOTD and the origins of...i was really impressed and excited to meet another fan... ok...nuff outta me...everyone have a superfantastic day...think ill go back to bed... DeeDee ******************************************************************************** Dee Dee Bradshaw-Autry "Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing..." TOOL "This is what it looks like, this is what is feels like, this is what it tastes like...this is what you've done to me..." Stabbing Westward "Be careful with me...I am fragile. Im a bitch babe...and Im on fire" Garbage http://www.infochase.com/ent/deedee/index.html ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Subject: Do we have to just like Barbie or what??? From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On Oct 22, 1996 08:30:14, 'Dee Dee ' wrote: >i bring that up in part because a friend of mine introduced me to his >girlfriend the other day...and to my amazement she is into SG. This summer a friend's brother's stayed with us and I met his wife for the first time. I really liked her from the start and late the first evening she was here she said out of the clear blue,"Do you like Chris with long hair or short?" I knew she was good people. We watched Soundgarden videos, drank beer and had a great time!! Too bad she lives far away! As far as Soundgarden on the radio. One of our stations has free form friday and will play whatever people request. A couple of Fridays ago I had one of those mornings when everything went wrong, I had to work on my day off and I was stuck in traffic on the way to work. I was in a terrible mood. some caller says, "could you play Rusty Cage by Soundgarden?" My heart leapt when I heard the opening notes of one of my fave songs. I swear to you the traffic opened up and I was whizzing along at 65mph head bangin all the way(OK as much as my old neck muscles can head bang) Once again the Soundgarden gods had smiled down upon me! toni ------------------------------ From: Paul_Faraguna@dbna.com (Paul Faraguna) Subject: Vicki's Tour Diary Hi everybody, I tried sending this message directly to Vicki but it got bounced for some reason so I'll post it here. I just wanted to congratulate Vicki on what sounded like a most excellent adventure, and to compliment her on her reporting of it. Thanks for taking the time to share that with us. Also, I checked out the images you submitted to Seth's web page and I really liked the ones taken during the actual performance. I'm going to see SG in N.Y.C in Nov. and was just wondering what type of camera you used. I'm a bit of a shutterbug myself and thought I might try to smuggle in a camera. Since it's unlikely that a flash would have been allowed, what film speed did you use? And don't tell me you used one of those disposable cameras...HaHa! Once again, great job and thanks. Paul "No mam, we're musicians." "We're on a mission from God." --Jake and Elwood Blues ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: Re: Vicki's Tour Diary Hi! No, I'm not Vikki but you asked a question about something I have a bit of "expertise" on--photographing concerts. It's a great hobby! I'm going to post this to the list in case any other sommsters want to get brave and try the old sneak it in approach....which unfortunately has gotten more difficult! I love doing it and have (generally) snuck my camera in to venues since the early 80's. I've shot Sg a few times, but always w/ a photo pass, and yes, it's no flash, which I hate to use anyway and for the first 3 songs only. You asked about film speed....in my books, use the FASTEST (ie, highest) speed of film you can find. For color, if you can still track down 1600, it works wonders in dark venues, if not then settle for 1000. DO NOT go any lower if you can help it! 400 just doesn't cut it in these dark venues, trust me. I rarely do black and white, but again get thee to a reputable photo supply place and see what they have if you want B&W. Ilford is a good B&W film to use if you can track it down, b/c it can be used at any speed! It's a British film but if you go to an actual camera shop/photo lab they may carry it. And if I can offer a few more hints--watch what color of stage lighting you're shooting in as well. Red lights make photos go black! Green or blue is OK, try for the spots tho. Set your f-stop as wide as you can, keep an eye on your light meter tho when shooting and adjust a bit for brighter lights. OK, sommsters....do your thing! (Just don't get caught) ciao....deb ------------------------------ Subject: Re: new pics From: seth > Hi all listen if anyone knows about a site wich have pics > of songarden i mean realy new pics i want alot of new pics > for my page that will be open very soon!!!! I have a better idea, and you all know what it is. :) seth ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: Opening Act I thought Tool was opening most of the shows. Maybe I was wrong. Ross On Tue, 22 Oct 1996 ThNrthFace@aol.com wrote: > I was wondering how many different opening acts SG was using on this tour. I > know Rocket From The Crypt is doing most, if not all of the shows, but the > other slot seems to be used by several bands. It was announced that Pond will > be filling the first slot in Seattle. Pond is from Portland, by the way, and > pretty cool live if I remember correctly. Anyways, I was just curious, and > tired as hell. Gotta love midterms. > > The Chicago bound SOMMS Sheriff and List Thug, > Aaron > > KIM THAYIL FOR PRESIDENT!!! > > F > "It's 106 miles to Chicago. We've got a full tank of gas, half a packet of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses. Hit it." --Joliet Jake and Elwood Blues ------------------------------ Subject: Re: In a striking motion, trees fall down........a (new?) thread From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) Carolyn (The Midsummer Fireball): > Hearing those pre-Black Hole Sun/Spoonman songs got me wondering - what > is the most "unmainstream"/oldest SG song YOU'VE heard within the last > year on radio? 4th of July - The radio station played it on the 4th as part of the celebration here in the States. Shows you how much they listen to the words.. > And what kind of a buzz did it give YOU to hear it? Mild bee buzz!!!! Most of the time I get good feelings when I hear any SG song on the radio. Some song have more meaning than other as "FoBD". No matter when I hear this song I must stop and listen to each and every note. Brings tears of memories to my eyes... > Does any other band give YOU the same feeling as Soundgarden when you > hear their songs played in public? Led Zep and AiC always do it for me and there are single songs that give me happy buzzes - but it's not so much the band as it's the words (i.e., Wonder Wall is very special for me). Dee Dee (Writer of Prose & Poetry): > on a side note....has any one else noticed that there is a deficit of > female fans, not on the list but in the world in general...it seems like > women just don't get into them like guys do and I wonder why that is... Females are not the only deficiency in my world of music and Soundgarden. There not too many men either. I did spot of female with a SG tee shirt on in the mall once so I guess there must be a few in this area besides me.. It's a sad statement but I feel allot of females like SG because the males in their life (or who they want in their life) likes them.. This statement does exclude all the sexy, intelligent, glorious, personality plus females on this list - we are so great aren't we ladies!!!! Jamie (Village Idiot - who lives for Sunday nights) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Opening Act From: seth > I thought Tool was opening most of the shows. Maybe I was wrong. Definitely wrong. Though Tool as the openers would be *incredible*, it's not happening, at least not this time around (many of Tool's shows on their US tour are at the same venues and only days apart from SG's shows). Rocket From The Crypt will be opening for the entire US tour. Tenderloin will be on the bill for the first half of the tour, and Pond will be replacing them for the second half, starting with Atlanta, as best I can tell. seth ------------------------------ From: "Jen Kern" Subject: CD NOW Hey there everyone!! I know everyone probably already knows about the CD NOW thing-- but I just wanted to let you all know that within 5 days I received the SG calendar and the Burden in My Hand single (Part 2 w/ the poster). I had NO luck finding the CD single here--so it was very nice to be able to order it and have it here in under a week at a price of just $13!! They have some really great deals. For anyone who is interested: check it out -- http://cdnow.com or http://www2.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/ 49 more days until the Seattle SG concert!!!! The countdown has begun!! JEN ------------------------------ From: Cecilia Filiplic Subject: Re: Vancouver Show Hey! Does anyone know if the Vancouver show is still a go? I also called TicketBastard and they didn't have a clue as to what I was talking about. I'd also like to know who's planning to go and if anyone could acquire tix for me. Thanx in advance, Cecilia ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: Re: In a striking motion, trees fall down........a (new?) thread Dee Dee wrote: > on a side note....has any one else noticed that there is a deficite of > female fans, not on the list but in the world in general...it seems like > women just dont get into them like guys do and i wonder why that is... Yes, Dee Dee, I tried to bring up a similiar question a while back... and could only come up with this theory which all stems back to society's influence on human behavior concerning gender. Speaking very generally of course, it seems that society encourages male aggression and suppresses female aggression. Agression, and the release of it, is a natural human emotion and is not limited to males only. It's just that society teaches males to act aggressively whereas they teach females to be more passive and reserved. From my own experience (being a classic male), I enjoy Soundgarden (and music in general) for the purpose of helping me release my feelings/emotions... and since I am a very aggressive person, I love to use SG's music to help me release that emotion in a constructive way. I can only guess that most women, who still adhere to society's constraints, will not get into SG because they believe that SG is too aggressive... Personally, I think it is a great way to relieve anyone's (Male or female) frustrations/aggressions by blaring Rusty Cage in the middle of a traffic jam and trying to keep up with Chris's vocals. Without making a rash generalization, I would think that most women who really enjoy SG are strong in terms of expressing their individuality... but then again people are different in so many ways, who knows.... Later, Taylor ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Metallica F.O.B.D.??? I recently saw a new Metallica single (Until It Sleeps, I think) that included a track called F.O.B.D. Anyone know if there's any connection to SG's FoBD? Greg ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Re: butow single Stella says: >Has anyone got the BUTOW single yet? I've seen it for sale for weeks >now in mail order catalogs. I don't know if it was a special order or >what. And in one of the catalogs it said there was a US version. But >there were no B-Sides. Just the LP & edit version of the song. Does >anyone know about that? This sounds like the standard radio only promo... I strongly believe (& hope) that the 2 new songs that have been discussed here the last week or so will be b-sides that appear on the BUTOW single. All hunches, yes, but it all sounds sensible. Ray (c: ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Re: Metallica F.O.B.D.??? Greg writes: >I recently saw a new Metallica single (Until It Sleeps, I think) that >included a track called F.O.B.D. Anyone know if there's any connection to >SG's FoBD? I mentioned this back when the single came out, but it got ignored like most ideas I bring up do. I've never been a Metallica fan but I was stocking the imports at my store & I noticed the FOBD demo on the Until It Sleeps single, so I busted it open & played it. All it is is a 'scat' version of Until It Sleeps. Sounds like they had the entire instrumental track laid down & the frontman (Hetfield?) had a melody but no lyrics. I sorta think that since the 2 bands are friends the just stuck a generic title (borrowed from Soundgarden) on the demo tape before they developed words. Again, this is just a hunch (as my last post) but it all makes sense to me (c: Basically, no, it's not a cover of Soundgarden's song Fell On Black Days (I think it states that the Metallica guys wrote it anyway) but yes... it's 'possible' that it's a Soundgarden tribute (c: Can someone knowledgable about the Wellwater Conspiracy &/or Tone Dogs contact me? I have some various questions. Thank you! Ray (c: ------------------------------ From: Ilkka Ronkainen Subject: Concert Review (Finland) I decided to make this since there was a review of the concert in Stockholm. The playlist (not in order) From Badmotorfinger Rusty Cage Outshined Slaves & Bulldozers Jesus Christ Pose From Superunknown My Wave Spoonman Black Hole Sun(solo) Fell On Black Days Let Me Drown From Down On the Upside Pretty Noose Boot Camp Burden In My Hand Dusty Ty Cobb No Attention Blow Up the Outside World +Helter Skelter Few words about the concert itself: The Icehall was pretty empty, only about 2000 people, there could easily fit over 10000. I didn't have time to see Eleven, but I saw Moby, which I think was kinda good. I guess that Moby played mostly his own songs, but he did a very short version of Sepultura's Roots, Bloody Roots. Soundgarden started with Spoonman and played in the start songs from SU only Boot Camp before Chris' solo Black Hole Sun, which I think was excellent. After that they played Ty Cobb, and mostly from DOTU but there was Rusty Cage. Their encore tracks were No Attention and Jesus Christ Pose. Before No Attention Chris said that when I wrote this song I looked like a twelve year old, but now that I look like sixteen year old I think I'm old enough to play this, or something like that. After JCP they made very annoying sounds with bass and guitar which was basically feedback, and in one point Chris rubbed his guitar to the mic stand. That's about the concert in a nutshell, if you wan't to know more ask me. ------------------------------ Subject: Unreleased songs (was Re: butow single) From: seth > This sounds like the standard radio only promo... I strongly believe (& > hope) that the 2 new songs that have been discussed here the last week or so > will be b-sides that appear on the BUTOW single. All hunches, yes, but it > all sounds sensible. I assume you mean "Ocean Fronts" and "Cleaning My Gun"... but what of the as-yet-unreleased lyrics that the silly iMusic people forgot to include in their lyric index but which still reside on their server? (drum roll please) "Your Curse" http://imusic.interserv.com/soundgarden/sg3/discography/lyrics3/ly-curse.html "Another No Title" http://imusic.interserv.com/soundgarden/sg3/discography/lyrics3/ly-anothe.html Notice that both of these have links on them back to Superunknown, which makes me think they were part of the 26-song collection from which the final 16 songs were chosen. Also, "Another No Title" has many of the same lines as "Switch Opens," so this seems to me to be an early version of that song. seth ------------------------------ From: "Polly, Eliza" Subject: boys n girls...... >>Without making a rash generalization, I would think that most women who really enjoy SG are strong in terms of expressing their individuality... Yessir, i STRONGLY agree with this statement....hehe.....all female SG fans I have met so far (and yes they are few and far between) have had very strong personalities....Not afraid to cut loose and express themselves....and don't shy away from not only feeling the aggression, but relating to it. I must say though, that SG is not only about aggression to me. They are also about unbelievable imagery and expression of intense emotion....expressing things that we could not find words for ourselves.....I mean the emotion of the songs (lyrics especially) is something that I think most women would be able to relate and respond to (being the emotional beings that we are!).. however, since the lyrics are often paired with some harder edged r&r, many women shy away from their music, or have not yet allowed themselves to relate to it. Just my $.02.....and enjoying this thread (thanks DD!) eliza (with a strong personality....) ------------------------------ From: COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu Subject: RE: Quick question about the Vancouver show Greg Fox wrote: Subject: sg and ime i'm sitting here, reading about sg and listening to I Mother Earth. this summer, all i did was listen to DOTU and ime's album "Scenery And Fish". what a wicked summer. anyways, i think everyone here should check out ime if they haven't already. sg is the shit, but ime is pretty cool, too +jamie c.+ ******************************** "You and I are not the same.... you like everything." (I Mother Earth-"Three Days Old") ******************************** "two of us, that's dangerous" (Smashing Pumpkins-"Frail and Bedazzled") ******************************** ------------------------------ From: Seth Ward Subject: Acoustic Howdy! I was feeling all mellow yesterday, but I was still in a Soundgarden kind of mood (am I ever _not_ in that mood?) so I was sifting through songs like Seasons, Dusty, Like Suicide (acoustic) and so on. It got me thinking, has SG ever gotten the offer to do an Unplugged show? That would be interesting. Regardless of how anybody feels about these shows, I think it would be pretty safe to say that SG has the ability to kick the collective asses of anyone else who's ever done one. _Including_ Nirvana and Eric Clapton. This is all assuming that they're into that kind of thing (well...I guess we know Chris is), but if AIC can do it, so can Soundgarden. It would really interest me to see how they revamp the old songs to fit with acoustic stuff. And just think, NEW SONGS!! Anyway, that is my opinion, and I am quite interested to hear what the the rest of you SOMMSsters have to say. 1) Do you think SG would ever do an Unplugged show? 2) Would that make you happy, or would it dissappoint you? 3) What would be a good set list for such a show? This is not an official survey, just something to feed my curiousity. If anyone wants to keep track, feel free. All for now, A Different Seth "If the sky fell down on me, I'd be an astronaut" From 'Maybe' by Palindrome ------------------------------ From: "Polly, Eliza" Subject: RE: Opening Act >>I thought Tool was opening most of the shows. Maybe I was wrong. oh my oh my oh my.....can you only imagine? don't know how i would survive that show....well, i've got my Tool tickets in one hand and my SG tickets in the other, and they are definitely not in the same cities or on the same dates (Tool is headlining here) so I know this is not happening (tho we can surely dream....;-) Hmmm, dreams......time for another seafood goulash fantasy, maybe this time with Maynard ;-) -- eliza Sleeping with a full moon blanket Sand and feathers for my head Dreams have never been my answer Dreams have never been my bed Now I wanna cry about the storm But you can't grow feathers in the rain And this naked floor is as cold as you This naked floor remains -CC (does it get more beautiful than that?!?!) ------------------------------ From: CAMPBELLCG@bvu.edu Subject: SG on the radio Hi everyone, my name is Biff(yes it's just a nickname) and I just joined a couple days ago, and I just want to tell you all that you guys rock. In response to the radio question, the stations around my school, BVU, pretty well all suck, so any time they play a SG song I get excited, so I know how you all feel. But I also have a radio show here on campus with a really low power. But I have been known to spin a a ditty from BMF (faves are Mind Riot and Outshined), or the occasional Fopp. And it makes me feel cool to know that these songs are getting out to someone, and maybe I'll get them to realize that there was life before BHS. Also. I make a feeble attempt to play guitar, and if anyone has the tabs for Mind Riot or SWMGEC, I'd love to see them. play a song for me, Biff ------------------------------ From: Steve Koca Subject: Holy Shit! SG Dream Oh boy, did I have a weird dream last night. I'll just go right into telling it... Me and about 15 other listers were sitting on the front porch of this rotting old house. Most of the people were ones that have pictures in the list directory. But anyway, we were just talking on the front porch of this house, I had no idea who the house belonged to, or why I was there. Then, after awhile, Chris, Ben, Matt, and Kim come out of nowhere and go into the house. Everybody just seemed stunned. The weird part was everybody said Holy Shit! like 10 times in unison. Then, when everybody was all calmed down again some guy that I had no idea who was came to the front porch and told us we could go in and visit with the band if we like. So everybody filed neatly into the house and just kind of wandered around. Me, Shroom, and Caryn ended up in this big room filled with pinball machines, but it was the exact same on both sides of the room.(did that make sense?) Anyway, in the pinball room with us was Ben, he was playing the game Corvette, and was really getting pissed off at the machine. After he lost his last ball he put his foot through the machine and all the coins fell out. Then, after that the same guy who came to the front porch came in and told Ben to behave like he was his dad or something, the guy like scolded Ben, and told him to be "nice to our guests" So, me Shroom, and Caryn just sit there talking to Ben, I can't remember what we talked to Ben about, and that's the end of the dream. I know it's not as weird as some of yours, or as raunchy as some would like (who would that be? jk Shroom) but it's pretty damn strange for me. Especially the Holy Shit! part, that really freaked me out, I don't know why. Oh well, I'll shutup. temporarily insane, wait a sec, permanently insane Twinkie The Kid aka Steve Koca - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Make a move and take the fifth cause ya can't take the first" -Rage Against The Machine - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The hand of god has got a ring about the size of Texas" -Soundgarden - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: stimpy1@netvision.net.il Subject: new pics Hi all listen if anyone knows about a site wich have pics of songarden i mean realy new pics i want alot of new pics for my page that will be open very soon!!!! any if any 1 knows about some new pics of SG mail to the list ok??? take care now byebye then!!!! - ------------------------------------- E-mail: stimpy1@netvision.net.il Date: 10/22/96 Time: 2:28:33 PM This message was sent by Chameleon - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: stimpy1@netvision.net.il Subject: the irc Hi all again!!!! if any 1 knows about a channel on the mirc of SG tell me co`z everytime i`m like getting in somms i never see pep so mail to the list ok??/ take care now byebye then!!!! - ------------------------------------- E-mail: stimpy1@netvision.net.il Date: 10/22/96 Time: 2:33:13 PM This message was sent by Chameleon - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Monnica Lewis Subject: RE: boys n girls...... Hi. I wish I could agree with you guys but.... I think I am just the opposite. I think I like SG and a lot of the other bands that I like who play what I consider heavy aggressive music because I have trouble expressing my own aggression or whatever. I'll spare you the sob story but let's just say I think I'm very very reserved, (repressed), so SG music is a way for me to get those emotions and that energy out. I see the future, menopause will hit, I'll run amok (picture the movie Serial Mom), and everyone who knows me will say, "gee, she was always so quiet, and nice". Anyway, can anyone else relate? Guys feel free to share too. Hope I didn't scare you off with that "M" word. Monnica ---------- From: Polly, Eliza To: somms Subject: boys n girls...... Date: Tuesday, October 22, 1996 12:00AM >>Without making a rash generalization, I would think that most women who really enjoy SG are strong in terms of expressing their individuality... Yessir, i STRONGLY agree with this statement....hehe.....all female SG fans I have met so far (and yes they are few and far between) have had very strong personalities....Not afraid to cut loose and express themselves....and don't shy away from not only feeling the aggression, but relating to it. ------------------------------ From: Monnica Lewis Subject: RE: Acoustic Hi again. I don't think they will do an unplugged. I remember Chris kind of laughing it off as he said that he didn't feel that their music lent itself to acoustic performances. But then again, you never know. They seem to change their minds sometimes. And I agree if AIC and Nirvanna sound good unplugged, why not SG. Monnica ---------- From: Seth Ward To: somms Subject: Acoustic Date: Tuesday, October 22, 1996 2:46PM Anyway, that is my opinion, and I am quite interested to hear what the the rest of you SOMMSsters have to say. 1) Do you think SG would ever do an Unplugged show? 2) Would that make you happy, or would it disappoint you? 3) What would be a good set list for such a show? All for now, A Different Seth ------------------------------ From: Sachin Trivedi Subject: Re: Acoustic Hey there, I remember talking about this last year, and it seems pretty unlikely that Soundgarden would ever do an unplugged. I think someone called in on some radio show and asked them about it, and Chris said something like how their songs don't lend themselves to being played acoustically or something like that. I would personally love to see them do an unplugged type thing. The acoustic version of Like Suicide is one of my favorite songs. I also love Seasons. Soundgarden would definately be awesome unplugged. We can only hope. Sachin On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Seth Ward wrote: > Howdy! > I was feeling all mellow yesterday, but I was still in a Soundgarden kind of > mood (am I ever _not_ in that mood?) so I was sifting through songs like > Seasons, Dusty, Like Suicide (acoustic) and so on. It got me thinking, has > SG ever gotten the offer to do an Unplugged show? That would be > interesting. Regardless of how anybody feels about these shows, I think it > would be pretty safe to say that SG has the ability to kick the collective > asses of anyone else who's ever done one. _Including_ Nirvana and Eric > Clapton. This is all assuming that they're into that kind of thing (well...I > guess we know Chris is), but if AIC can do it, so can Soundgarden. It would > really interest me to see how they revamp the old songs to fit with acoustic > stuff. And just think, NEW SONGS!! > > Anyway, that is my opinion, and I am quite interested to hear what the the > rest of you SOMMSsters have to say. > 1) Do you think SG would ever do an Unplugged show? > 2) Would that make you happy, or would it > dissappoint you? > 3) What would be a good set list for such a show? > > This is not an official survey, just something to feed my curiousity. If > anyone wants to keep track, feel free. > > All for now, > A Different Seth > > "If the sky fell down on me, I'd be an astronaut" From 'Maybe' by > Palindrome > > ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: Re: Acoustic Man, I have seen this thread pop up a lot in the past year : ) But an unplugged performance would be absolutely mind shattering. The one thing that makes me think that they *might* do one is..PJ, AIC, and Nirvana have all done them and done them well. SG glaringly sticks out as the only Seattle band that hasn't done one. Maybe if there was someway to convey this idea to them..eh..anyway. Has anyone seen the BUTOW single yet? That's all I got for now. Thanks for reading. - -vincent ------------------------------ From: Amirah Noaman Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 22 Oct 1996 Hi. I've been on the list for about a month now, and figured I might as well post something. I saw Soundgarden in June of '94 in New york. Wow, what an awesome show. It was a few months after the release of Superunknown. They opened with Jesus Christ Pose. That was probably the most amazing thing I have ever see. (Those of you who have seen SG open with that know what I mean.) I was surged into the pit and it was the most exhilirating experience. I heard they were playing at Brandeis on Nov. 16 or 18, does anyone know if that's true? lateron Doc ------------------------------ From: KAISERVRBL@aol.com Subject: Re: Unplugged Set list I disagree with Chris! I think MOST of SG lends itself to Acoustic. I've been praying for a Soundgarden unplugged for about 2 1/2 years now! Anyway, I think a beautiful set list would include: Flutter Girl Black Cat Like Suicide Seasons Burden in my Hand Hands all over Mind Riot (imagine the possibilities on this one!) Holy Water Black Hole Sun Fell on Black Days (LP version) Room a Thousand Years Wide Cover Version of Dumb (by Nirvana) and how about anything from the Temple of the Dog collection? Did I leave anything out? Just some thoughts - -lance- ------------------------------ From: Cornell Subject: hmmmm Hey, I'm feeling seriously SG deprived here... 1. Couldn't get SG tickets for Roseland 2. Cannot find BIMH single Anywhere!!! (same goes for BuTOW) 3. BUtOW vid....where is it??? Sigh...Oh well....does anyone have any more photo tips? I'm going to see Tool at the Electric factory next month and wanna get some shots. One last thing, I was driving down a tree-lined road, no cars, the blue sky above me, and AIC's "Nutshell" playing on the tape deck...what a feeling. Gregg ------------------------------ From: Joe Cennamo Subject: Jason Everman Today at school I was talking to a friend of mine about Nirvana (this is very soundgarden related hold on) He started talking about all of the drummers that Nirvana had had, and he mentioned Jason Everman. This struck me because I was looking at a old issue of circus magizine,That was relised after Louder Then Love, jason Everman is in the picture as Soundgarden's bassist. Which brings up a few questions, Was Jason Everman in the Band? If so for how long, he wasn't on any of the albums, did he tour with them? Is it the same Jason Everman who played drums for Nirvana? joec ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: Hater show on Halloween where did you find tickets? andrea spent the weekend going to the ok and trying to deal with cellophane square. neither location had any tickets. and in any event, THIS SHOW IS NOT GOING TO SELL OUT. can we please all stop panicking ;-) (you know who you are)... - --caryn On Mon, 21 Oct 1996, Jen Kern wrote: > Here's a quick update for those who don't already know about Hater > tickets. They are on sale now --$8 advanced or $10 at the door. > They still have lots available (as of 10/21) and can be purchased at > either the OK Hotel after 5:00 pm or at Cellophane Square in the > University District. See everyone there!!! JEN > ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: Jason Everman On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Joe Cennamo wrote: > Today at school I was talking to a friend of mine about Nirvana (this is > very soundgarden related hold on) He started talking about all of the > drummers that Nirvana had had, and he mentioned Jason Everman. > This struck me because I was looking at a old issue of circus > magizine,That was relised after Louder Then Love, jason Everman is in the > picture as Soundgarden's bassist. > Which brings up a few questions, Was Jason Everman in the Band? If so for > how long, he wasn't on any of the albums, did he tour with them? Is it the > same Jason Everman who played drums for Nirvana? yes, absolutely. and, perhaps, now is as good a time as any to put in a quote for the wonderful FAQ on seth's web site: <<1.6 Who is Jason Everman? Jason Everman was the bassist who joined the band after Hiro left in 1989. This occurred soon after Louder Than Love was recorded, and just before the ensuing world tour was about to commence. Several bass players auditioned for the position, among them Jason Everman and Ben Shepherd. At the time, Ben didn't know the songs, and Jason did. So with the tour looming, Jason got the job. In the end, however, he wasn't what the band was looking for and was fired after only six months; appearing on only one song with the band (a cover of the Beatles' tune "Come Together"). Everman, also a one-time bassist with Nirvana, has since been enlisted as a U.S Airborne Ranger, recorded with Mindfunk and has now (from some reports) joined the U.S Navy. >> again, for all new people who have web access, please check out the page--there's a lot of wonderful resources there. (i am aware that not eveyrone has web access, hence the reason i quoted the relevant question above.) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Sarah Welch Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 22 Oct 1996 On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Amirah Noaman wrote: > Hi. I've been on the list for about a month now, and figured I might as > well post something. I saw Soundgarden in June of '94 in New york. Wow, > what an awesome show. It was a few months after the release of > Superunknown. They opened with Jesus Christ Pose. That was probably the > most amazing thing I have ever see. (Those of you who have seen SG open > with that know what I mean.) I was surged into the pit and it was the most > exhilirating experience. I heard they were playing at Brandeis on Nov. 16 > or 18, does anyone know if that's true? lateron > Doc Yes, they're playing Brandeis on the 19th, and I can't wait to go. I saw them about the same time you did in Fitchburg, MA, and they opened there with jcp too. It was an amazing show. It was a really hot night and about 90 in the crowd. Security was dumping buckets of water on people so no one would pass out. Ben even reached down into the crowd to hand us a water bottle (which was immediately crushed by dozens of groping hands.) I always thought that was a really cool thing to do though. Has anyone read anything about why they're shunning the larger venues? I guess it might make sense that they'd want to have that more intimate setting, but it makes it a hell of a lot more difficult to get tickets. Especially when they only play one night. One last question (and I'm new too so you've probably already discussed this) but what were they playing during Lollapalooza? I'm just anticipating what they might due this tour... Sarah ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: the head of god, on the wall... I was just listening to 'bleed together' on my trusty walkman while testing out the lyrics to same on the imusic site, and came up with a couple of odd features. the coolest thing is the last verse, beginning with the line "come away and come with me...". at first I had no idea what the hell it was, but it suddenly occurred to me that it is actually what chris is singing through the voice filter (in the right channel) during kim's outro. if you have heard the song, then you know how hard it is to understand what exactly is being said, so at least imusic has come through this time :) the words are different to the feel of the rest of the song. I can see a connection to 'mailman'; the words seem to imply some sort of religious or manic inspired violence. kind of cool, really :) what is weirdest about the transcription is that while they have the difficult-to-understand final verse, they have left out the chorus entirely. seems like imusic's left hand just has no idea what the right hand is doing. I mean, if chris *had* given the lyric sheet to whoever is responsible, why would he leave the chorus out? it doesn't seem improvised to me, and is no harder to work out than the rest of the lyrics . ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: In a striking motion, trees fall down........a (new?) thread Hi everyone, Today was a remarkable one, for a while, anyway. On the radio, sometime = around 1.30 pm, "Hands All Over" was played! (on Triple J, for Aussie = listers). This was the first time I'd heard a song from pre-BMF on the = radio. It really gave me a thrill to hear it, and to hear it announced = after the song. A couple of weeks ago, at about the same time of day, = "Rusty Cage" came on. I thought that was excellent too, it being my = favourite Soundgarden song and all. Hearing those pre-Black Hole Sun/Spoonman songs got me wondering - what = is the most "unmainstream"/oldest SG song YOU'VE heard within the last = year on radio? And what kind of a buzz did it give YOU to hear it? = Were you like me, feeling proud, as if this were a song you had created = yourself? Did you feel like saying, "hey - this band is just BRILLIANT! = This is MY band!" :-) I feel that way when I hear songs on the radio = by only two bands in this world - Violent Femmes, and Soundgarden. Does = any other band give YOU the same feeling as Soundgarden when you hear = their songs played in public? I'd be interested in some feedback here, folks! :-) Cheers Carolyn the la Muy Fuerte [welcome back, Urbano] Hands all over the words I utter - change them into what you want = to.....Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: Doug Iwachow Subject: Guitars and singles.... Hey everyone!!!! this is my first time ever to write to this list, so go easy on me ok?? :) first off, Soundgarden is the GREATEST band on earth... second, i'd like to say this list is GREAT!!! and seth, your page rocks dude!!! ive only been subscribed to this list for around a month, so i dont know if any of my questions have been answered before then.......but here they are anyways..... 1) Does anyone have any good sites (besided the unoffical) for Soundgarden Guitar Tablature??? (i'm looking mostly for B-sides as i have the books for DOTU, SU, and BMF....) 2)Does anyone have any info on the singles for Pretty noose, BIMH, or BUTOW??? track lists, versions, etc.... oh...and if anyone has an extra copy of BMF/SOMMS that they are willing to sell/give to a poor, deprived soul such as myself, please e-mail me... :) Doug CD's of the week - SG (of course:) - BIMH single Korn - Life Is Peachy Im givin blood tonight i dont care how, i dont care why..... ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: I've got some ghosts in my closet... On Fri, 18 Oct 1996, V. Anselmo wrote: > BTW: Erin denied us permission to tape the Hater show this Halloween, as > it would be bootlegging. But whether or not we'll be allowed to bring a > video recorder into the venue in case we meet up with Matt or Ben is > determined by the policy of the O.K. Hotel. I dunno what that policy is. I don't expect any replies to this post, but maybe it is worth our while for someone to take a tape recorder in? just wondering... ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Ben Wood Subject: Dark Lord I'm new to this here thing, so forgive me if y'all have already run this into the ground, but has anyone heard of Kim Thayil's side project called Dark Lord. They are going to be on a Guitar World or Guitar Player or some such magazine's CD that is either out or is coming out really soon. I would have to guess that it slays and all that, but I wonder if they have any other stuff out there. If anyone knows anything let me know. Ben W. ------------------------------ From: "Helsley, Scott" Subject: somms If anyone needs a copy of SOMMS, I may be able to get you one for around $20. I found it in a used cd store and I would be happy to pick it up for someone who doesn't already have it. If you need it e-mail me right away. If you already have one, please don't ask for this one. Later Scott ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: my essay on SOMMS@mit.edu this is something i should have put up a while ago, since the = list seems to have slowed down slightly, naybe this will fill some = space, or put you all to sleep.. ?? any typos or grammatical mistakes = are my retyping. I got an A on this....(go me) While much of the content on irc channels and various newsgroups = on the internet consist of flame wars and insults, there is one haven = for those who appreciate the music of the band Soundgarden. Based from = the unofficial web page ran by Seth Perlman, the mailing list, = SOMMS@mit.edu, reaches people as far away as Australia and Europe, as = well as those in the US. It is relatively free of the off-topic posts = and pointless arguements which dominate other mailing lists, and most = members are very good at avoiding irritating flame wars. SOMMS' posts tend to range from discussions of guitar tunings, to = never-ending searches for rare collectibles. There is a great deal of = self control among it's members, who always seem willing to help and = advise other members. This is almost unheard of on the IN, where a = popular motto to go by is 'trust no one'. The mailing list is not w/o it's problems, however. Recently the = list decided to make t-shirts for themselves, sporting 'SOMMS@mit.edu' = on the front and 'posting with my good eye closed' on the back, the = latter refering to a soundgarden lyric. Asingle design was chosen and = one person to do the printing and distribution. The problems arose when = the shirts were not sent out at the correct times. The shirts were set = to be finished during the summer before the Lollapalooza began. As of = yet they are still being sent, and Lollapalooza's final show was weeks = ago. What few members received shirts were upset to see different font = and color schemes then what were chosen, and bad quality printing. The = person responsible for production of the shirts has strangely been = absent from the lists for months. Another problem the list has had deals with the registration = of our irc(internet relay chat) channel. Once again one person went = about the process, with consent of several members including myself. = When the channel, #SOMMS, was finally registered, the individual who did = so promptly took it over and restricted access to invitation only. Many = members were outraged about this and withdrew their names from the user = list while sending complaints to the IRC server organizers. The person = who took the power trip was dropped from the list and sent several = flames (angry e-mail messages). Other than those afore mentioned problems, the list continues to = be a great place for musical discussion fom over four hundred members, = and has been mentioned as a favorite site by the band. September = 29(?), 1996 well... there it was... that was the rough draft, my teacher still = has the final one.. i'm waiting for my midterms.. argh... i tried to = write it to where someone w/o any experience with the IN or e-mail could = understand it, the final version was much better in that respect. i had = no corrections on it, except that Dr. fitch and i weren't sure whether = off-topic was hyphenated or not.. she said she thought it was.. ??? = have fun with it.. (c) 1996 ------------------------------ From: Terri Parks Subject: Chatter I was flipping through the latest People magazine (Madonna on cover) and the very last page it has a piece on Tom Hanks regarding his new movie That Thing You Do about a fictional band and the music anyway he says....."Its not like I as saying, 'Ah these kids with their mosh pits and their Soundgardens and their Pearl jamming ways,' Every generation finds its music" Just thought I would share that with you all. Terri ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 282] ****************************************