From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 17 Oct 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 02:36:45 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 17 Oct 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: BUTOW Overplayage now... Re: Fairfax and Truly... SG tribute bands, or SG cover songs Re: i went shopping THE WRECK IS GOING DOWN tickets i went shopping Re: uuuhhhh..... newbies Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 5 Oct 1996 anyone w/concert info? What really bugs me Re: i went shopping stretch the skin over my head... Members Looking For Collective Soul List #1 song in Seattle nude ramblings with the garden... technical stuff my fault sweet water...sg poll... chris & guitars... Re: BUTOW Overplayage now... between your house and home... Re: between your house and home... Re: between your house and home... ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Cynthia Siragusa Subject: Re: BUTOW Overplayage now... Badmotorfinger@nrunner.mil.wi.us wrote: > > Has anyone noticed overplayage of Blow up the Outside World recently? I finally heard BUTOW for the very first time on radio in NYC (92.3 KROCK) only this past Wednesday! And I've asked people if they've heard it and no one had either. What gives NYC? cyn ------------------------------ From: phang Subject: Re: Fairfax and Truly... On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, mcinturff, dylan wrote: > "Blue Flame Ford." I do have to say that, in my opinion, Ben is a > much better bassist and songwriter than Hiro, and fits Soundgarden > much better. Hiro's not bad, though... I've got that Truly CD as well. It's pretty damn good. Very weird. It reminded me of the music in 60s TV series and films where somebody is being drugged up in places. I agree, Ben's influence on Soundgarden has been a blessing, and has certainly brought out a more eclectic side to the band which was not really reflected in the Hiro era, but he contributed with strange weirdness (some of which is in Truly now), which shows how each individual member of a band contributes towards making that band a whole... - -me ------------------------------ From: Szabolcs 'AnselmoCornellmajorthird' olah Subject: SG tribute bands, or SG cover songs Hi sommsters|||||| First of all, I'm feelin' very shitty that no one could help me about the SG co ncert (venues, ticket prices, etc.) in Coppenhage, Stockholm or Oslo. (I'm very very sad and I'm down on the upside-downside, I will comment my story in one o f the next digest - watch it|||) So, about the subject: 1. My band called bLUNTEd (my other band, called after@all plays progressive Dream Theater-like music) is not really a SG tribute band, but b/c of my SG fa natism we play several SG songs live beside our OWN songs, and -it will sound weirdy, but..., and lots of PanterA, and some Tool songs (every show we choose from the cover songs we learned, we almost never do the same concert... You m ay think that the songs of these bands can't come together, but I think the mus ic of bLUNTEd (and the wide-scale music, bands I love) requires it. -you wouldn 't have even thought that sometimes we play Led Zep, rarely noo Metallica and e ven we play a DT song (Caught In a Web)) So we played SPOONMAN many times (for the beginning of the concert..I'm a le ad singer, and a guitar player, but for the song I only play guitar behind the solos, and I 'just' do the lead vocals and the percussions on the rest of the s ong (I agree with everybody who says that singing Chris' vocal melodies, someti mes so powerful (and high) he does is a fuckin' hard and tiring thing|, but I d isagree w/ the ones who say that the hard thing in playin' SG song is the drum- first of all- b/c I think, that in Matt's playing the genius, great thing is t he rhythms and 'grooves' he writes and the perfect timing, but the rest of the SG song is not a really hard thing to play for a very good drum player, it's ha rd for its timing for playing the song accurate.) I do FELL ON BLACK DAYS alone (with one acoustic guitar) We play OUTSHINED, and played BALCK HOLE SUN (for one time only) That's all, but 4 months ago a couple of miskolcian (hungarian city where I liv e) musician and I funded a band called SHINE||| This is a band with two singers (like TOTD) and my 'role' is to act like CC in the band (guitar, lead vocals) We learned: (we'll play these songs on our concert, comin' on about dec.) Pushin' Forward back Hunger Strike and SG songs (my favs|||) DUSTY|||||| 4TH OF JULY JESUS CHRIST POSE||||| MIND RIOT (my all time fav along w/ spoonman, and dusty) HANDS ALL OVER SLAVES & BULLDOZERS and last but not least SPOONMAN So that's it for now from the newsroom , if anyone interested, or have an opini on, drop me a line ||||| ------------------------------ From: "stella" Subject: Re: i went shopping I dunno about ben being in skin yard but I think Matt was the only person from Sg to be in that band. > seth's question made me nervous...i now have doubts about my knowledge that > Ben used to be in Skin Yard before he was in SG...i think i read about this > tidbit of fact in the book New Metal Crown ...the insert from the cassette > says the vocalist is named Ben...just Ben, no last name written so either > there have been two Bens in the history of Skin Yard (one in vocals and one > in bass) or our favorite bass player used to scream on the top of his lungs > too, Chris style. > > any budding Seattle music historian out there who could lend a helping brain > on this topic? > > by the way, the first two songs of 1000 smiling knuckles are great > IMHO...reminds me SG's sub pop days. > > > Never_Named > ebora87@matrix.newpaltz.edu > > - --- srogers@fix.net http://www.fix.net/~srogers http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1534 "Not only is life a bitch, but its always having puppies" ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: THE WRECK IS GOING DOWN "Wreck" is a great word for the new webpage. Some of you may disagree with me. I'm not too excited about insects crawling over the screen; they're an annoying distraction. What the hell do insects have to do with SG anyway? That's more appropriate for Alice In Chains(Jar Of Flies). The intro to the page really sucks, too. Whoever designed that part needs a lesson in animation. They may not be done constructing the page, but they need to liven up some of the typography. Right now, some of it is "blah". I liked the old webpage, with the yellow in the background. Stella(a SOMMS member) said, "They're biting off the unofficial site!" That may be true. THE BASTARDS! I spend more time in Seth's site anyway, because it rules, and it's not commercial. I get lots of information about SG that I WANT, and I don't feel threatened with having to buy merchandise. I still haven't checked out the whole site, but I took eliza's(another member's) advice and checked out the SNL pics(they were really cool--thanx, eliza!). That was one of my favorite SNL episodes of all time, and I don't have too many favorites to begin with. Not only did they have SG on that episode, but they had Carrey! I was literally crying during that episode, it was so hilarious. I guess SG also thinks Hootie sucks; they did a skit on that with Carrey on SNL and it didn't air. If only I could get my hands on that skit... For all the "I-think-Chris-is-sexy-fans"--check out the SNL pic with the link labeled "preparing". I thought to myself, "If Chris grows out more hair, he'd have an Afro!" RoseeMisst - -- Orange Coast College Costa Mesa California ------------------------------ From: Whaleneck@aol.com Subject: tickets I got sold out of the NY shows for next month at Roseland. I have some connections which I'm trying to use. Do u have any tix for Roseland? Please let me know. Thanks, Monica whaleneck @aol.com October 16, 1996 ------------------------------ From: alexander ebora Subject: i went shopping hey fellow SOMMSters, look at what i bought at the local record store, a copy (used) of the motorvision vid (can't wait to watch it) which i have been looking for for a long, long time...i also bought the used copy of skin yard album (1000 smiling knuckles) featuring our favorite bass player for only approximately 2 bucks... i also found several interesting items back at the store...one is a used copy of Truly's vinyl titled Fast something (i can't remember) which is also under $5... i also found two copies of Sub Pop 200 (i think) the one with the black and white comic art...now if i can only find a cheap copy of BMF/SOMMS nearby... Never_Named "...little joe run for the border leave your home, leave your mother and father go to where the reptiles roam on the side of the border that is your home..." i voted for that song a dozen times last night and today on the official website's song poll that it is now ranked somewhere between 1 and 10 beating BHS and all the mainstream songs. ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Re: uuuhhhh..... newbies EXCUSE ME????? We are no judged on our age? Come on man. I'm only 15, and ya, I might have my little rebellious attitude sometimes, but all in all I'm known to have a 30 year old's wisdom. So what ever anyone has to say about putting down today's youth, talk to me, and I could show you that you are completley wrong!!!! The original preety noose ------------------------------ From: ALDA MARCONI <632565@ican.net> Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 5 Oct 1996 Is anyone here from Toronto? If At 03:19 AM 10/5/96 EDT, you wrote:If so, then where can I get some tickets to the show this Sunday at Varsity Arena??? ------------------------------ From: "Jennifer L. Kern" Subject: anyone w/concert info? Hello there fellow Sommsters!!! I was checking out the official page (which I have to add really is very unimpressive compared to Seth's)but anyway, my point being, that I was checking the tour dates and it seems like there may now be some problem with the Seattle shows. They still are showing the dates but for venues it only had TBA where they used to have Mercer Arena. Anyone know what's going on? Well, I'm sure my worrying is for nothing--because there is no way in hell that I would let them get away with not doing a show here! Well, that's all for now--Congrats to our sheriff and deputy!!!! So, if I'm voting Thayil for pres.--who's his running mate?????????????(heeheehee) JEN ------------------------------ From: Soundmetal@aol.com Subject: What really bugs me I REALLY hate it when all these stupid people at my school come up to me and tell me that SG sux. It's pretty obvious that I love SG since I have tons of shirts and pictures and have SG written on everything. Then the same people that tell me that will wear these stupid poser band shirts that can't play worth crap. It fun to make fun of them back though. Later---Me ------------------------------ From: alexander ebora Subject: Re: i went shopping > > ...i also bought the used copy of skin yard album (1000 smiling > > knuckles) featuring our favorite bass player for only approximately 2 bucks.. > > . > > ehh....what?? our favorite bass player, ben shepherd?? > > he plays on a skin yard record?? > > fill me in please. > > seth > seth's question made me nervous...i now have doubts about my knowledge that Ben used to be in Skin Yard before he was in SG...i think i read about this tidbit of fact in the book New Metal Crown ...the insert from the cassette says the vocalist is named Ben...just Ben, no last name written so either there have been two Bens in the history of Skin Yard (one in vocals and one in bass) or our favorite bass player used to scream on the top of his lungs too, Chris style. any budding Seattle music historian out there who could lend a helping brain on this topic? by the way, the first two songs of 1000 smiling knuckles are great IMHO...reminds me SG's sub pop days. Never_Named ebora87@matrix.newpaltz.edu ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: stretch the skin over my head... On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, alexander ebora wrote: > > > ...i also bought the used copy of skin yard album (1000 smiling > > > knuckles) featuring our favorite bass player for only approximately 2 bucks.. > > ehh....what?? our favorite bass player, ben shepherd?? > > he plays on a skin yard record?? maybe you are thinking of matt cameron, who played drums for skin yard before joining soundgarden. I read that matt actually wanted to leave the band (skin yard) because he was so much better than its other members, but that was probably a little tongue in cheek :) ben was actually in a band called march of crimes. to bone up on your soundgarden history, please read the band history on sgi.net, your one-stop shop for all your soundgarden needs :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Washagizig@aol.com Subject: Members Looking For Collective Soul List Forgive me for non-SG content, but a couple of list members were looking for Collective Soul list and I lost the e-mail addresses. The first issue went out today. To subscribe send message with "subscribe" in the Subject. Send to: "wgrisard@edge.net (Lynn Grisard)" List Admin. To submit, put submit in the subject. Peace Love & Music Celtic Indian ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: #1 song in Seattle Hey folks, The most requested song of the day at KISW is... Rusty Cage by Jonny Cash The Somms Sheriff and List Thug, Aaron "Those guys are crazy!"-Master of all that is good, Kim Thayil ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: nude ramblings with the garden... On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, stella wrote: > I never really payed much attention to the Official site before, so I > could be wrong about this, but Oh my god...They're biting off the > Unofficial site!! I noticed that everytime you are taken to the main > page, there's a quote from a song there. And it changes everytime you I thought the same thing when I had my first look at it, stella. there are a couple of pages (the news page in particular) which seem to be a just a little too derivative of ol' sgi.net and its white, red and black motif. other than that it is certainly a colourful site (some of the album pages have nice background colours), but I don't think it does much for the continuity of the place. they also have some stuff marked as 'new' which really isn't new at all and the lyrics section has some odd aspects. some of the songs are written in all-caps, while others are not. seasons is in there, but cold bitch and birth ritual aren't. funniest of all is their disclaimer on any of the lyrics from ultramega, where they are left to say "meister chris cornell won't tell us what the real lyrics to this song are - so here's what we came up with". sounds like the band is giving their full support to imusic's content efforts . add to that the handful of songs they actually haven't got there (if they can have cleaning my gun, why not put karaoke or she's a politician in there?) and the small error of having both new damage and drawing flies in there twice, and you have some bugs to work out. ooh, I just found something *funny*. chris said in an article that while reading an early typed version of his lyrics (which were to be included in the dotu liner), he found the line "I must be tame and cook" during boot camp. seems as though the boys and girls at imusic have pulled that first attempt out of the trash, because it is up there again in all its glory :) now that I'm done bagging it, there is actually some stuff there that I like; for instance the snl photos, the photos from the burden video shoot, the jason finn interview with kim (which is really cool) and the lyrics to the two new songs (ocean fronts and cleaning my gun). also interesting to note is the full lyrics to both burden in my hand (yes, it is 'god' and not 'gone'). just out of interest, both the official site and sgi.net have a lyric from 4th of july as "pale in the flare light". I always thought it was "pale in the frail light", which seems to fit a little better. what do you think? (more notes for imusic lurkers: black hole sun is written by chris, not ben; what the *hell* is going on with the lyrics to bleed together?; the music for drawing flies is by matt; while some of the insects are cool, what relevance do they really have?; and lastly, if you are going to add a bunch of new pages then maybe you should update the older ones instead of just leaving them as is? it would look more like one site than two or three joined together.) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "D. Murphy" Subject: technical stuff checked out some of those new articles that seth added to the page and noticed that in one of them (from the Rocket c.1990) chris and kim mentioned that the upcoming-Louder Than Love disc would be digitally-mastered. you know, that expensive-ass version of a cd that you see at the Wherehouse that never gets sold. but in the interview, kim claims that A&M wouldn't put that label on there for some reason. you only pay for the "regular" version but you're really getting the better-quality disc. is this really true? this may explain some of the so-called noise quality problems on BMF as compared with LTL if it's true. my dad's got one of those DMM discs (i think it's a jackson browne album) but it's gold. not that those discs would HAVE to be gold, but i know my LTL is not. what's the deal? secondly, my old man told me about a new drum head setup that is being made by some guy here in seattle (i apologize for all this vagueness) that's being used by sean kinney, and possibly matt cameron. it's apparently some hybrid electronic/acoustic deal that supposed to save the drummer from the wrath of carpal tunnel where you the amount of force on the drum does not change the volume on it. anyone know about *this*? and lastly, (this too, will be SG-related) i checked out that 'new and improved' SG site on imusic and in the interview with Jason Finn and Kim, Kim mentions that the band is considering the release of some of the extra material from the DOTU sessions for KOTS fanclub members. send in those checks, kids! this sounds like it could be a winner! dan danno@wood.net / levitan@u.washington.edu "i don't want to be a statistic on a government chart" - the police ------------------------------ From: alexander ebora Subject: my fault sorry folks for my mistake (i'm embarassed to post again)...confusion took over my mind (i easily get confused)...thanks for the people who responded quickly to straighten things up...so Ben wasn't in SY...now who was the vocalist named Ben? what do you people think if Matt read this thread? ------------------------------ Subject: sweet water...sg poll... From: soundgrdn3@juno.com (M R) Is there anyone here who can provide me with a review of Sweet Water's Olympia show? Please? Also, on that SG song poll on the official page, is there any way to tell if your vote has been counted? I can't tell if my (numerous) "Slaves & Bulldozers" votes are getting in or not! (Actually, I like "She Likes Surprises" better, but that's not even an option...). Thanks... ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: chris & guitars... for you technical people out there... i was watching some very old pj footage last night, and there was a MTV news report of the show SG played in toronto in 93, opening for Neil Young with Pearl Jam... what was interesting to me about the footage was the guitar chris was playing -- it looked like a fender jaguar (do i have that right)? is this common? has he used this one a lot? also really amusing was the interview with kim and the newly-shaved-head chris, talking about why they played that show -- that neil kept asking them and kept asking them, and they kept being busy, and they were STILL busy but figured if they didn't say yes, that he'd stop asking. ;-) on the subject of the imusic site, it STILL takes me a year to load, and those useless animations really annoy me (they annoy me about as much as the animated ad banners on addicted to noise). that black-and-white-and-red color scheme on the front page is such a blatant rip off that if i was seth, i'd kill 'em. and speaking as someone who just had sony blatantly rip off not just layout, but actual CONTENT off her pearl jam page, i don't get it. these people are PROFESSIONALS who are PAID and work on this part time. they had damn well better have more creative ideas than they obviously do/don't, or they'll be out of a job soon. what also really annoyed me about the page was their "SOUNDGARDEN FAN COMMUNITY". like we're all going to leave this list to post on the stupid bbs or chat rooms. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Cornell Subject: Re: BUTOW Overplayage now... Cynthia Siragusa wrote: > > Badmotorfinger@nrunner.mil.wi.us wrote: > > > > Has anyone noticed overplayage of Blow up the Outside World recently?Yes! I heard it on KROCK as well! Around 3 o'clock? I heard the tail end of it, saturated with static. Needless to say, I cranked it and sang my heart out! I'm excited now, but won't be when all the dicks in my school who said "Black Hole Sun" every time I wore my Kickstand T are singing BUtOW and saying "Soundgarden rules!!" Gregg > > I finally heard BUTOW for the very first time on radio in NYC (92.3 > KROCK) only this past Wednesday! And I've asked people if they've > heard it and no one had either. What gives NYC? > cyn ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: between your house and home... is anyone else getting a new picture on the second page of the imusic site? while I kinda liked the first one, the new one looks pretty cool (and different to what you might expect). it actually looks like matt is wearing one of those old guns n' roses shirts with the pistols and roses logo on black. kim is actually wearing a party hat, and chris is wearing some god-awful sunglasses. kind of cool, really. perhaps it is just a random picture, but every other time I've received the green one... ...but just to add to that fan community thing that so riled caryn, is the new setup a blatant dig at the list (and indirectly at sgi.net)? now they have four different bulletin boards rather than just that old chat board. the one that surprises me the most is the trading/selling board. I just wouldn't think the guys behind the site would have thought of that. but with the section's focus on the "fan community", it seems they may be a tad interested in tapping into what we have here. nice try, but no cigar :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: Re: between your house and home... From: seth > is anyone else getting a new picture on the second page of the > imusic site? while I kinda liked the first one, the new one looks pretty > cool (and different to what you might expect). it actually looks like matt > is wearing one of those old guns n' roses shirts with the pistols and > roses logo on black. kim is actually wearing a party hat, and chris is > wearing some god-awful sunglasses. kind of cool, really. perhaps it is > just a random picture, but every other time I've received the green one... the images on the front page are random (as are the quote above the image and the link at the bottom right), and there are 5 possible images. however, look closely when they load: there are 3 green ones and 2 blue ones, and the band's pose is just slightly different in each. you can go to http://www.imusic.com/soundgarden/sg3/graphics33/ and look at all of them (theguys*.gif) if you want. while you're there, you can look at all the other stuff that hasn't gone public yet, though is right there for everyone to see: the sg radio gif, the digital postcards ad, etc. :) while we're talking about the new site, i'd like to let you know what i think of it. - - the random quote and random link on the front page kind of bothered me at first, just because the unofficial site has had those things for a long time. - - i like the black/white/green color scheme on the main, directory, and search pages, though the bugs are stupid. - - the best-looking stuff on the site is definitely the snl section, though the cd+ section has always looked superb. - - the euro tour 96 feature (with alain of eleven) is crappy. (hint to web designers: that's what *not* to do) - - the discog is much improved, though i wonder about some of the color choices. [it was cool seeing the pyrrhic victory cassette, because i remember contacting c/z about scanning it and daniel house told me that the only copy they had was over at imusic being scanned for the official site. :)] - - in fact, i wonder about color choices on a lot of the site. exhibit a: the lyrics to beyond the wheel. my problem is that there's no continuity. when i first loaded it, i thought, cool, the whole thing'll be black, white, and green, i dig it. but then i realized that there are 100 different color schemes going on and i guess i don't like that too much. - - the interview feature with kim is great, though i'm again not fond of the color scheme (or the graphics on this one). anyway, that's about it. we have a search option on the unofficial site now, too. i actually worked that up about a month and a half ago and never got around to adding it to the site until yesterday (a friend of mine finally helped me with the perl code so the results are returned in alpha order). don't know if it's helpful or not. seth ------------------------------ From: stellar Subject: Re: between your house and home... Yeah I got that picture. I even saved it, it was funky :) Anyways, about that little bug animation. I don't get it. If you click on the thing, from what I can tell, its a random BUG link! What significance does it all have with soundgarden? I was just curious, and it took me to some Bee page about raising bees. And another link was some site that you would buy amber jewelry with little bugs stuck inside, a la Jurassic Park. It's all weird. At 03:38 PM 10/17/96 +1000, you wrote: > > > is anyone else getting a new picture on the second page of the >imusic site? while I kinda liked the first one, the new one looks pretty >cool (and different to what you might expect). it actually looks like matt >is wearing one of those old guns n' roses shirts with the pistols and >roses logo on black. kim is actually wearing a party hat, and chris is >wearing some god-awful sunglasses. kind of cool, really. perhaps it is >just a random picture, but every other time I've received the green one... > ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 276] ****************************************