From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 9 Oct 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 10:09:02 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 9 Oct 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Newbies RADIO CHILL!! RE: Thingy - my quest for yet MORE E-mail Re: satanoscillatemymetallicsonatas Re: any bass lovers out there? Something actually interesting from The Guitarist? hmmm . . . "limited edition vinyl" shirts and what not. Hi My 2 cents Re: arguing about a label Re: the list, the sadness, etc. mercury in retrograde bellingham?? Re: SOMMS General Election Newbie + need tickets We got it goin' on ... registered SG IRC channel down under HELP ME||| anybody fom DENMARK, NL, concert tickets etc.. Re: "limited edition vinyl" Re: "limited edition vinyl" Re: Just wondering abt "grunge would you lie for me? Re: "limited edition vinyl" Re: SOMMS General Elections TO ALL THE JILL AND JACK SOMMSTERS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA... The times, they are a changin'???? Re: "limited edition vinyl" soundgardenland Re: SOMMS General Elections ramblings It's a good day in Soundgarden land!!! Re: Skinny Chris Re: SOMMS General Elections Re: ramblings RE: SOMMS General Election Re: tool Me, too!!! Pretty Noose & Burden In My Hand 7"s Crazy....? crazy 2 ------------------------------------------------------------ From: cgoodman@maine.com (Carole Goodman) Subject: Newbies Alright, all this shit about newbies is pissing me off. Yes I am new to this list, I may be a teenager but I am not ignorant nor am I new to SG. I have been listening to them since '90, even when my family thought I was satanic. Onto the ignorent thing. When people think of teenagers, they automatically think of ignorance. I am in high school but am taking 3 college classes and plan to get my PHD. I am either going to William and Mary, Washington and Lee or Baylor. All of which require some intelligence. I also scored close to perfect on my SATs and SAT 2's. I am not a braggard. I am just trying to get my point across that not all newbies are stupid. That was a rash generalization no matter how much beer you pounded. Yes I have pissed people off on the list but a lot of that was misconceptions. When I joined I did skim through the archives to get an idea of people. I have no tatoo. I do have earrings though. I think eyebrow rings look cool but would never get one because it is not me. Just venting, flame if you wish. Ivy "If you're tired of a whitehouse that's always smoking hemp. Vote for the future, vote Dole-Kemp." ------------------------------ From: cgoodman@maine.com (Carole Goodman) Subject: RADIO All of you were talking about BUTOW on the radio. I, personally have never heard it on the radio. Thr first song I ever heard off the album was Rhinosaur. Now all they play is PN. It used to be BIMH but now it is back to PN. Just thoght I'd share. Ivy ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: CHILL!! People people people. It's time for all of us to either smoke a really big joint or/and listen to some really great music and CHILL OUT!!!!!! in the words of a great australian althete I LOVE YOUSE ALL. ob Soundgarden: most underated song on DOTU, Dusty "Rock n' roll doesn't have a soul, just a dick and a wallet" --- Kim Thayil ------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: RE: Thingy - my quest for yet MORE E-mail At 07:13 PM 10/7/96 +-9-30, Carolyn wrote: >By the way, I like the survey you're doing, Guitarist! Thank you! > Can you please have a long-term deadline for this? I want some time to >think about it (especially the favourite song of all time question - that >would have to be the most difficult question in the world for me to >answer!), and I still have 253 Somms posts left to read before I'm >up-to-date! You (the collective conscious of the SOMMS mailing list) will have plenty of time, as this will be quite long term, because mid-terms are coming up for me, so I've been getting project after project and am myself a ways behind on my SOMMS mail . . . so people that haven't sent yours in yet, come on! It's not too late! I don't estimate a deadline until about the end of October/beginning of November . . . The Surveying Guitarist-2001 "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist" - The Usual Suspects Check out CORE - The Ultimate Site For Teens: http://members.aol.com/dczoner/index.html - Soundgarden=band of the month! (...any suggestions for a guitar page?) ------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: Re: satanoscillatemymetallicsonatas At 06:48 PM 10/7/96 +0000, Geoff wrote: >The list of owners includes: yadda yadda blah blah . . . hey, you forgot Michael B., y'know, the only real SG fan . . . yadda yadda . . . didn't he say that he had SOMMS? or does he not count because he was a jerk? ;-p (sticking tounge out and too lazy to capitalize the p...) (note: I am NOT - and yes there's a good reason why I can capitalize "not" and not a single dinky "p" - trying to start up another discussion about him, I am simply noting that he did at one point claim to have SOMMS...) Please don't kill me . . . Pleading for his life: The Guitarist-2001 "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist" - The Usual Suspects Check out CORE - The Ultimate Site For Teens: http://members.aol.com/dczoner/index.html - Soundgarden=band of the month! (...any suggestions for a guitar page?) ------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: Re: any bass lovers out there? At 11:08 PM 10/2/96 +0000, Jennifer L. Kern wrote: >I just wanted to write that it's great reading everyone's responses and >the only comment I have (or question I should say) is doesn't anybody >love the bass? Come on, there has to be someone out there that gets >chills everytime they hear the bass line on BIMH. Well, I've never really listened that closely to the bassline on BIMH, but there is one song on DOTU that I do truly love the bassline for, and that is: Overfloater. Just that bassline during the chorus ("I'm on the wire..."). For that part, the bassline really stands out. Otherwords, being my guitarring self, I just focus on the guitars. Oh, and I also think the bass stands out a bit on She Likes Surprises, but not as much . . . The Guitarist-2001 "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist" - The Usual Suspects Check out CORE - The Ultimate Site For Teens: http://members.aol.com/dczoner/index.html - Soundgarden=band of the month! (...any suggestions for a guitar page?) ------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: Something actually interesting from The Guitarist? hmmm . . . Ok, here it is: Anybody subscribe to Guitar magazine? If so, then check out November's issue (which I just recieved today), page 172. The review of No Code (don't worry, this IS SG-related!). Follow me down to the first sentence of the last paragraph. And here it is, for those of you who don't have it right now: "The band still rocks on "Hail, Hail" and the pounding, angry "Habit," which sounds like it could be Soundgarden." Do any of you No-Code owners agree/disagree with this? I myself don't see this similarity . . . Habit's probably my 3rd LEAST favorite song on No Code, after Around the Bend and Lukin . . . hmmm . . . Wow! Talking about Pearl Jam and No Code, while still focusing on Soundgarden! It's a miracle folks! How does he do it? . . . a m(ag/us)ician never reveals his secrets . . . ;-) Buy the way: 1 When/where/how do I get tickets for SG in SF?? I don't want to miss out! (of course, I don't think I have to worry about them selling out around here . . . but still...) 2 Keep the survey Thingies a'comin'! The Guitarist-2001 "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist" - The Usual Suspects Check out CORE - The Ultimate Site For Teens: http://members.aol.com/dczoner/index.html - Soundgarden=band of the month! (...any suggestions for a guitar page?) ------------------------------ From: Dan Murphy Subject: "limited edition vinyl" SOMMSters: In a desperate attempt to spur a new thread, i am wondering if this problem was ever solved: what's the deal on the "limited edition" claim on the vinyl pressing of DOTU? i once saw a clear vinyl version, but it had the same damned yellow sticker that I've got. i actually have two copies. one i play, the other i left unopened, like a small-minded, wanna-be vinyl lover. Of course, i have this on CD as well. (consider it an out-of-the-way contribution to the matt cameron christmas fund.) just how many of these damned things were made? i still see them around occasionally. yours in SG land, dan ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: shirts and what not. Hello Fellow SOMMS-sters!!! long time no post.... I just wanted to make a quick post about the shirts/hats. October 10th is almost here!!! If you are still planning on getting a shirt/hat and the check is in the mail Please let me know!!! That way I do order your items!!!!!!!!!!!!!. if you have any more questions regarding this.. please email me!!!! thats all for now! Dena :)~ ------------------------------ From: "Claire L Peers" Subject: Hi Hello everyone Mu name is Claire and I am quite new to the list. I have been reading the messages with interest, but am curious to know if there are any other brits on the list or am I the only one. I saw Soundgarden a few weeks ago in Manchester here in Britain and they were amazing. They are now touring the states, am I right? I love the new album, it is the best album release for a long time. Hope to here from you soon Claire ------------------------------ From: Michael Groark Subject: My 2 cents I have a really good friend that met the band and Jeff Ament at this year's Lolla in NYC. And his impression of the band was really cool. He said that they were just a bunch of really great guys who play really great music. He said that Chris was very shy and not the kind of person who you would even think twice about if you didn't recognize him as the frontman for this rock entity we call Soundgarden. This is all coming from one of the biggest Soundgarden fans that I know. I wish that people would stop trying to idealize these people as some kind of ultramega rock star image. That died in the 80's, let it stay there. I am posting becuase there is something that inherently bothers me about people who screetch at the top of their lungs and flash their breasts at the four guys on stage. The band gives us music and some of the fans try to take more than that, while comprimising the show for the people who want to see a great band perform. This is not to say that I have not met some of the coolest people at the shows(old school punkers, hippies, headbangers, and LAWYERS). It just seems that this form of music especially is becomming overrun by some who just don't get what it is all about. It is all about words, music, and a common ground. --Mike Groark I would love to meet all of you that are going to the Brandies show. I am planning on going to other shows, too but this is the only one that I currently have tickets for. ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: Re: arguing about a label At 03:19 PM 10/8/96 +1000, you wrote: >On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Mercyhurst Prep Library wrote: > >> >> Nate said it well when he said how up until 4 years ago it all sounded like >> so much noise to him. Nate, my man, well put, b/c I said the same thing >> back in 92 when a friend was trying to get me into PJam by playing Ten >> whenever she could. It was just so much noise to me... > > >Most of us have been throught that i think. I used to think all netak was about >satan and was just loud noises. Then i got into Faith no More Nirvana and >Metallica Exactly my point--we all had to learn to like what it is we like! It's not genetic, nor do I think it's even generational!!!! No one was born being a fan of anything, period. >> >> It's been raised on the list that Sg isn't a grunge band. Do any of these >> bands really want that label? It would be interesting to find that out. >> Yes, I agree it is an attitude more than a sound. If I had to come up w/ >> some other label for Sg I'd say metal, but w/ a difference. Maybe >> intelligent metal or something b/c of the lyrics and some of the music. >> >Yes, Yes YES. Finally someone who completely agrees with me. Soundgarden are >90s thinking metal (along with Tool, Alice in Chains, even Metallica). Agreement deluxe! Looks like today will be a good day! > >> >> A) we come up w/ a label and >> B)we even have agreement in some of this stuff? >Not really, its impossible to all agree on anything (unless it's if Soundgarden >is any good.) Which is what makes us all different, and should/can lead to good discussions, but everyone has to retain an open mind to what everyone else says! >> >> I say that b/c a few of these little discussions have been a tad disturbing >> in that there's a few people who come right and say someone's OPINION is >> WRONG. It's an opinion and opinions aren't things that are right or wrong. >> It may be different from yours, but since when does that make it wrong? And >> here's the usual disclaimer that all of this is MHO, think what you will, >> comments would be welcomed! have a day....ciao...deb >> >> >Said like a Soundgarden fan THAT is a huge compliment! Thanks! later....deb > ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: Re: the list, the sadness, etc. At 12:27 PM 10/7/96 -0700, you wrote: > > >On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Cynthia Siragusa wrote: > >> > >> > Wow, what a day today has been. I'mm still mullingover some of the stuff I've read, like the Bri/Shroom meeting and all the comments spawned from that,and I just got done reading a few more later postings on it plus Caryn's reply to a response to what has happened to the list. >> I'm also becoming very much aware that this list has changed. >> I'm starting to feel disconnected even tho I'm on the list; >> I don't feel welcome. >> >> Well put Deb. Caryn, that was my point-a lot of people are beginning >> to feel unwelcome. > >oh, and that's MY fault?? not bloody likely. hell, i even unsubbed last >week when i was on the road because the list content wasn't worth reading. >nothing like taking the time to log in to your personal email account to >find 10 one-line posts in a row from the same person saying absolutely >nothing. > >do NOT blame what has happened to the list on me. Speaking for myself, and I'll do so publicly, listers, I was not saying Caryn or anyone was responsible for any of the negative stuff on the list of late. I mentioned her name is passing yesterday b/c hers was the last post I read before I got on the list, and that is the only reason I mentioned her...by name! deb ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: mercury in retrograde Hey List! It's Tuesday, another day, let's try to forget yesterday! To make a little light of the subject of the heaviness of yesterday....does anyone know--is Mercury in retrograde???? I'm serious! This is something Karen Cornell brought ot our attention almost a year ago. My friend Lin had locked her keys in her car, something she'd never done. Her copier blew up at work, my computers were all misbehaving, my car acted up, and on and on. Karen called for a chat and Lin related all this to her, and she said Peter had locked HIS keys in his van, and all this other stuff had happened....then she said "Well, what do you expect--Mercury is in retrograde and it's really bad this time." That phemon influences machinery, she informed us, to break down or not operate properly, for one thing. There were other influences too....seems to me something along the lines of you just feel like you aren't functioning properly, out of sorts, etc. Friday I had a terrible day w/ my computers, Monday we were all grumpy and growly....I blame it on Mercury. It'll pass in a few days....in fact, I feel the fog has lifted quite a bit today. Test the theory! Besides...it's a great excuse for bad things happeneing and machines not functioning! Hope that brought a smile to your collective faces! ciao....deb ------------------------------ From: "Eshuis, Angela BHS" Subject: bellingham?? hey. i don't write on here a lot, but i read what you all say. i was just wondering if anyone on here, (besides me) lives in the bellingham, wa area. i want despratley to go to some concerts in seattle, but, not haveing a car is a problem which cannot be replaced. (except by some lovely people that are nice to you.) anyway, i've never been able to go to any sg shows, and it bugs me because none of my friends that do have cars will take me. even if i buy their tickets... -angie ------------------------------ Subject: Re: SOMMS General Election From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > The List Thug as your new SOMMS Sheriff: > 1. I've seen every Dukes of Hazard episode. Good, but did you watch it for the action scenes or did you just keep your eyes on Daisy Duke?? And who did you feel was more important to the show - Boss Hog or his dog (sorry forgotten his name)?? > 2. Instead of going to my Anger-Management class, I listen to Soundgarden. Which CD did you listen to the most?? Careful now the SOMMS Sheriff has got to have fire in his soul and the CD which shows more fire is _____??? > 3. I accept bribes. Well you can have the $50 bucks I gave to Nothingman and if he doesn't have it you can take it out in body parts... > 4. I have access to a small arsenal of weapons Water guns and Luke Skywalker laser sword don't count!! > 5. No one has the kajones to run against me. Not even your little brother Ryan?? One last question!! Do you think you can control flamers (is there such a word), crap writers, people who use the incorrect procedure for leaving the list, people who post unrelated stuff to the list, and most importantly can you control "OUT of CONTROL Hoochies" from running amuck when they see band members???? Damn they all sound like me except the incorrect leaving thing and after this post Seth just may make me do that one.. > The SOMMS General Election will be this Thursday, October 10, > 1996. So, cast your votes. I do so cast my vote for Aaron List Thug for SOMMS Sheriff - lets hope it's a life long held office. I know Seth not much SG related stuff, but after the last few weeks a little humor and fun is much needed out here in SOMMs land. Jamie (Village Idiot - writer of crap and supporter of List Thug for Sheriff) ------------------------------ From: atnadzri@vax1.tristate.edu Subject: Newbie + need tickets Hi all people in SounDgardenLand.. I'm very new in this list.Just finished reading previous digest. All i want to say is, I really hope I can make new friends who love the band as much as I do.And i can see that a lot of you guys has a lot of passion for SG.That's graet to know.To all the "veterans"( i'm not being rude for saying this..just respect) Hope,I can be accepted into this list and keep up the good work. On a different note, I've never seen them live b4, and living in a small town doesnt help..the nearest dates are in Chicago and Detrioit (3 hrs from my place)So, aanyone has got xtra tickets for SG's Nov 10 show in Chicago or Nov 12 show in Detroit? Please email me.... Thanx... Lo-Fi "And i hope it's a sweet ..ride..." ---------Chris Cornell-------- ------------------------------ From: redfive@ozonline.com.au (Hando ) Subject: We got it goin' on ... registered SG IRC channel down under Hey Ho, Boy oh Boy! Way too long since last post. Hope you're all well and happy. Keeping up ( although sporadically ) with da nooze. Anyway, just a quick word to announce that the IRC #Soundgarden channel I've been mediating at au.undernet.org ( basically a big ad for the mailing list and Seth's SG page ) has been registered, so a big invitation is sent to you all to come and chat and natter 'bout life, the universe and SG. Be good to chat not only with you Oz sommsters ( Carolyn, Lee, Stephen, Greg, etc.) but anyone from the list. I'll be there most weeknights at 11 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, or alternatively email me with when you'll be there and I'll try to meet you. Also got the BIMH single for my birthday - " Bleed Together " grows on you, but the " Birth Ritual " demo is a stormer. Take it easy - be good to each other Hando ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ------------------------ * Red - 5 Management * E-Mail: redfive@ozonline.com.au ------------------------ P.O. Box 1294 Hando - Head Honcho/Madman Fitzroy North, Victoria AUSTRALIA 3068 Ph 61-3-9-416-0917 Bands Represented: Boomshanka Cane Roger Constable PSSST!! Cane's 7-inch EP " Pure Self Contamination " out now thru Pop Gun Records ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Szabolcs 'AnselmoCornell majorthird' Olah Subject: HELP ME||| anybody fom DENMARK, NL, concert tickets etc.. Hi sommsters|||||||| Oh so much water has gone down the Danube since I haven't write to the diges t. In fact, I prefer readind the digest (for me it's the only REAL SG source i n Hungary) but now I have a problem (Houston, Houston...). I'm a big big SG fan (gardener haha), and also a university student and from th e end of august I could not get to any net-PC, because it was a tough beginning here at the BKE univ., and I've done a couple of exams last week too. SO I kne w that SG would come to Eu in autumn, but I 'miscounted myself'. Yesterday I co uld sit down to a machine (forever...) for the first time since august and I wa s shocked when I saw the tour dates and the places at Seth's web page. So my last chance to see them is on the 11th (NL) or 13th of october (Denmark) ('coz they're (Rotterdam and Copenhagen) not so far from my place, Helsinki, or any city in Scandinavia would be too far- I can't afford it-(neither Denmark y et, I have to spare a bit) So please if anyone who reads the digest and plans to go to Rotterdam or Denmar k (in 'emergency' Stockholm, Oslo, or Helsinki) please write to me the ticket price, how can I buy one? (before the show where it'll take pl ace, or via internet or any solution?) , and the correct, detailed place. I'll be very pleased if I could join someone , (or someone from the surrounding s of my country -PL, CZ, SL or A or D), but the most important thing is please write to me and answer my questions. Would you be so kind? Could you? pleeeeeaaaaaasssse???||| (may I? you first ha hahahahahaaa) So thanx in advance||| Olah 'AnselmoCornellmajorthird' Szabolcs of bLUNTEd and after@all (they're my band s - in bLUNTEd I play SG a lot, e.g DUSTY the best piece of artwork ever made, I'm a big BMF and FLOWER fan but for me DOTU's on the top (especcially the firs t 10-12 songs) besides Fell On Black Dayz, and Spoonman (my password was spoonm an for two years but now I changed it) P.S.: in Hungary there were only two Pretty Noose single NOTHING, NOTHING|| on VINYL, (I'm still looking for the PN single w/ Jerry G. F.) I still couldn't see the original PN video only the 'mock'-live version||| I th ink gonna never see it| And there is only one Burden maxi, how the other's lo okin'? Thanx again, I go now but I'm turning back around||| all over||||| ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: "limited edition vinyl" I don't think it has been cleared up entirely. I would imagine that if it says "Limited Edition", it must be, whether it is 1 000 copies or 1 000 000 copies. I have not seen a vinyl copy of DOTU in record stores around here in months, although I did see a copy at the music collector's convention I attended this weekend. It was priced for $10CDN more than I paid for mine. Does anybody remember the number of these vinyl's that was quoted by the fanclub? 60 000 or 100 000?? Or was 60 000 for the digipack? Anybody? Geoff On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Dan Murphy wrote: > SOMMSters: > In a desperate attempt to spur a new thread, i am wondering if this > problem was ever solved: what's the deal on the "limited edition" claim > on the vinyl pressing of DOTU? i once saw a clear vinyl version, but it > had the same damned yellow sticker that I've got. i actually have two > copies. one i play, the other i left unopened, like a small-minded, > wanna-be vinyl lover. Of course, i have this on CD as well. (consider > it an out-of-the-way contribution to the matt cameron christmas fund.) > just how many of these damned things were made? i still see them around > occasionally. > yours in SG land, > dan > ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Re: "limited edition vinyl" Geoff wrote: > > I don't think it has been cleared up entirely. I would imagine that if > it says "Limited Edition", it must be, whether it is 1 000 copies or > 1 000 000 copies. I have not seen a vinyl copy of DOTU in record stores > around here in months, although I did see a copy at the music collector's > convention I attended this weekend. It was priced for $10CDN more than I > paid for mine. Does anybody remember the number of these vinyl's that > was quoted by the fanclub? 60 000 or 100 000?? Or was 60 000 for the > digipack? Anybody? Down On The Upside (A&M, May 21, 1996) 1. Pretty Noose 4:12 9. Applebite 5:10 2. Rhinosaur 3:14 10. Never The Machine Forever 3:36 3. Zero Chance 4:18 11. Tighter And Tighter 6:06 4. Dusty 4:34 12. No Attention 4:27 5. Ty Cobb 3:05 13. Switch Opens 3:53 6. Blow Up The Outside World 5:46 14. Overfloater 5:09 7. Burden In My Hand 4:50 15. An Unkind 2:08 8. Never Named 2:28 16. Boot Camp 2:59 Notes: Album is self produced. Will be released on double vinyl May 14 in a 10,000 copy limited edition of black vinyl. It also was released in a UK limited pressing of 1,500 on clear vinyl. ------------------------------ From: Joe Cennamo Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge > *sigh!* > > The more you write, the more ignorant you sound about music in general. > I happen to be into Death Metal as well and would like to know what > "higher being" all Death Metal bands sing about. I'd also like you to > give me some examples of bands that do so. That is, of course, unless > you're making a h-u-g-e generalisation... > > -me I think you know who I am talking about, hmm... do I really need to make a list all most all death meatal bands sing about it, deicide, slayer, venom. to name a few. Not that this is a bad part of death metal music, it is just a charistic of it. To say that grunge is a style of music is dumb. The music like all music borrows from certain scences here in thier. Most of the earlier grunge was more heavy metal type. But it was nothing like the mainstream. To say that bands from seattle are rock bands is stupid. There are to many kinds of rock to say that. If grunge never was popular, and doesn't exist, why do christians feel a need to copy it? joec ------------------------------ From: "Jennifer L. Kern" Subject: would you lie for me? - --It's time to ROCK!!!!! Okay, I need some help. Maybe this subject has already been covered, but--oh well. A friend and I were debating over the lyrics in BIMH. He thinks that the song is about shooting herion, I don't know what to think and therefore decided to ask all of you for your input. Obviously we can never really know--unless Chris decides to give me a call and tell me all his secrets.......but I would still like to know what anyone else thinks..... Anyway------- I'm looking forward to meeting some of you at the Hater show on Halloween. It sounds like it should be a great time. That's all for now--it's time for me to lay back and listen to a little JCP!!! There's no better way to start off an afternoon, in my opinion. JEN ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: Re: "limited edition vinyl" The one used vinyl/cd place I frequent the most still has about a dozen of the black vinyl copies and one clear one. Last time I was record hunting in San Francisco/Berkeley there were at least a few of the black vinyl DotU's in each store I went to (4 in SF, 3 in Berk), so I would guess there are plenty still available. A&M wouldn't exaggerate at all about the limited availability of the vinyl, would they? Don't get me wrong, though, I don't care, I would still have purchased both vinyl and cd even if they pressed a billion of the damn things. Eric On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Geoff wrote: > I don't think it has been cleared up entirely. I would imagine that if > it says "Limited Edition", it must be, whether it is 1 000 copies or > 1 000 000 copies. I have not seen a vinyl copy of DOTU in record stores > around here in months, although I did see a copy at the music collector's > convention I attended this weekend. It was priced for $10CDN more than I ------------------------------ From: Paul_Faraguna@dbna.com (Paul Faraguna) Subject: Re: SOMMS General Elections On Tues, Oct. 8: ThNrthFace@aol.com wrote: >.....Here are some reasons why you should vote for me, The List Thug >as your new >SOMMS Sheriff: >1. I've seen every Dukes of Hazard episode. >2. Instead of going to my Anger-Management class, I listen to >Soundgarden. >3. I accept bribes. >4. I have access to a small arsenal of weapons >5. No one has the kajones to run against me. You've got my vote List Thug. Anybody who could sit through every episode of Dukes of Hazard is tougher than any SOMMster I know. Haha! Your first mission would be to hunt down Heather Miflin and bring her to justice. Who is going to be your deputy? On a more relevant note (and I hope this hasn't already been discussed) but it seems that all the venues that SG are appearing at on their current tour are in the 3,000 to 4,000 fan range. Does this reflect what their mgt actually thinks of their tkt selling ability, or is it a conscious effort on their part to play smaller more intimate venues for the benefit of their fans? I think they could definitely fill larger halls, but I'm very happy that I'll be able to get right up front because of the smallness of Roseland in N.Y.C. Vote List Thug SOMMS Sherriff "Well, we're not just going to let you guys walk out of here.: "We...who's we?" "Oh...Smith, and Wesson, and me." --Harry Callahan Paul ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: TO ALL THE JILL AND JACK SOMMSTERS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA... OHHHH SHIT!! Soundgarden's show is finally going on sale in LA! I went estatic when I heard about it!! The tix are going on sale on 10AM, saturday. The Irvine show has not been announced yet. For anyone who listens to that bandwagon station KROQ, they are giving away SG "party in the pit" tickets starting Tuesday evening at 6pm, when the DJ Carson is on. In addition, if you win the tickets, you are entered into a drawing to get a guitar autographed by the band. Too cool a prize for a bandwagon radio station, but hey--get the prize first and curse them later. RoseeMisst The-so-excited-I-could-shit SOMMSTER in LA - -- Orange Coast College Costa Mesa California ------------------------------ From: danabt@ix.netcom.com (Dana Born-Thomsen) Subject: The times, they are a changin'???? Blind Dog wrote: "I think soundgarden may be held back by something akin to what you say, kathie. but it certainly isn't corporate nay-saying or right-winging fundamentalism." Hhhmmmm...I agree, SG has some of the most open and diverse lyrics, attitudes, that we will hear today, but, what (if not the nay-saying or right-winging fundamentalists) would or could possibly hold them back?? Let's face it, people who hold those tried and "true" beliefs are still putting pressure on us (more specifically the artists) through record companies, television, radio, school, etc. I mean, why is it that my 17 year old nephew had to ask me to buy LTL for him?? Because he was too embarrassed?? Yeah, right.... I don't think SG would have had it that way. I'm not saying that SG is holding back, I have no idea about that. But think about it....have times changed that much from when Jim Morrison wasn't supposed to say "girl we couldn't get much higher" on national t.v. to now, when we won't even allow kids (specifically in the U.S.) to even purchase semi-contraversial albums?? It's just a new wave of right wing fundamentalism, to me anyway. I'm hoping that SG has managed to avoid most of it, but, I think every artist has to be influenced by it otherwise they may drift into oblivion. Dana ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Re: "limited edition vinyl" Geoff wrote: > > Thanks Steve, > Does anybody know if there is an external indication of the colour of the > vinyl? How does one know if it is a clear vinyl? I guess they usually > have stickers, don't they? # of digipak copies of DotU: unknown # of jewelbox copies: Everything released after the alloted # of digipaks (they exist...I've seen them) Regular vinyl copies of DotU contain a yellow sticker with black writing. From top to bottom, It says: Soundgarden Down on the Upside Limited Edition Vinyl 31454 0526 1 STO1 Printed in the USA Should be selling for $10-$15 (american) Clear vinyl copes of DotU contain an orange-ish sticker with black writing. From top to bottom, It says: Limited Edition Gatefold Clear Vinyl 540 558-1 Should be selling for $17-$25 (american) Note: the vinyl (sleeves) with the lyrics printed on them are made of a thicker paper than the american black vinyl release. ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: soundgardenland Ok. There has been a lot of buzz generated since that whole Brian/Shroom post. Even though this is probably overkill, I wanted to throw in my thoughts on this. Although that whole incident is a little depressing, its called life. Brian, with all respect, maybe you should have kept this between you and her. It is none of our business. I think that is why so many of us find it sad. As for the state of the list, I think some of you are going a bit overboard. The list is fine. Yeah it has some unexperienced newbies who tend to shout their mouths off and yeah it can get offtopic sometimes, but there are too many of us who care about this list to let it all go down the tube. I have been part of somms for about 2 years, unsubbing once. I have seen the list get *much* worse than this and it has survived. This is nothing. Look, we have something really special here. I know this is going to sound really Mr. Rogers-like but let's start concentrating on the great aspects (of which there are many) of this list instead of the bad. That's all I got. Thanks for reading. Vince Varkey UT-Dallas ------------------------------ From: DeeDee Bradshaw-Autry Subject: Re: SOMMS General Elections Paul Faraguna wrote: > > > On Tues, Oct. 8: ThNrthFace@aol.com wrote: > > >.....Here are some reasons why you should vote for me, The List Thug > >as your new > >SOMMS Sheriff: > >1. I've seen every Dukes of Hazard episode. > >2. Instead of going to my Anger-Management class, I listen to > >Soundgarden. > >3. I accept bribes. > >4. I have access to a small arsenal of weapons > >5. No one has the kajones to run against me. > > You've got my vote List Thug. Anybody who could sit through every > episode of Dukes of Hazard is tougher than any SOMMster I know. Haha! > > Your first mission would be to hunt down Heather Miflin and bring her > to justice. > > Who is going to be your deputy? > > On a more relevant note (and I hope this hasn't already been > discussed) but it seems that all the venues that SG are appearing at > on their current tour are in the 3,000 to 4,000 fan range. Does this > reflect what their mgt actually thinks of their tkt selling ability, > or is it a conscious effort on their part to play smaller more > intimate venues for the benefit of their fans? I think they could > definitely fill larger halls, but I'm very happy that I'll be able to > get right up front because of the smallness of Roseland in N.Y.C. > > Vote List Thug > SOMMS Sherriff > > "Well, we're not just going to let you guys walk out of here.: > > "We...who's we?" > > "Oh...Smith, and Wesson, and me." > --Harry Callahan > > Paul i am not cetain how many tickets are being sold to the atlanta show, but i would say that the omni is hardly an intimate arena...to bad too...id love to see them in a smaller arena... DeeDee ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: ramblings people love to talk about chris's (and everyone else's) lyrics.. i read = something on REM that is almost exactly what i feel about most of Sg's = songs..=20 it was an interview w/ peter buck (some g-tar mag) and he said = somehting along the lines of "most of the lyrics are just strings of = words that sounded cool together".. i never have understood trying to = delve a deeper meaning out of a band's lyrics. i guess you'd really need = to be deep in psychoanalitic stuff to try and get anything. what if no = attention was chris's reaction to watching a stupid tv show? (or mtv for = that matter) i feel this idea definately covers "never the machine = forever", i can't imagine those words for any other reason. ??? kevin ps ------------------------------ Subject: It's a good day in Soundgarden land!!! From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) Well here in Washington, D.C. capital of the United States of America it's raining (really, really, really raining) and it's cold, and it's dark, and it just plain ugly.. BUT!!!!! A ray of sun shine came my way via the postal service (thank you Mr. Mailman).. :-) 1. Oasis single with "Wonder Wall".. I know to you it's silly to me it's a treasure.. 2. Single "Burden in My Hand" with Karaoke. 3. Limited Edition Collectors slip box with free poster - Part 2 or a 2 CD set. 4. Limited edition red vinyl "Pretty Noose" and "Jerry Garcia's Finger" (# 0052). 5. Limited edition white vinyl "Burden in my Hand" and "Karaoke" (# 2690). 6. Tape of Swervedriver's "Ejector Seat Reservation" for Mr. Steven Russell Jr. :-) Ahhhh life is good - thanks to the greatest guy in the world - my darlin' Stacy.... Jamie (One Happy Village Idiot) ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Re: Skinny Chris Geez, after reading all the posts about how awful Chris looks my hands were shaking when I went to look! Yes he looks way too thin, but sick, I don't know. I was expecting much worse from what I read on here. What I found was a too thin, older looking, but still beautiful Chris. I'll probably get flamed for my lack of concern, but I think with the right food and some tender loving care he'll be fine. What a relief. I was expecting much worse. Kathie ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: SOMMS General Elections I do believe that SG is playing some large arenas.They are playing at the Palace in Detroit.this is a 20,0000 seat venue and DeeDee said that the Omni in Atlanta is not an intimate venue.I am going to speculate on this and say that they were not able to find a smaller venue for that date in detroit.But,I am probably wrong. Gonzo-chicago bound in November. At 04:38 PM 10/8/96 -0400, you wrote: > On a more relevant note (and I hope this hasn't already been > discussed) but it seems that all the venues that SG are appearing at > on their current tour are in the 3,000 to 4,000 fan range. Does this > reflect what their mgt actually thinks of their tkt selling ability, > or is it a conscious effort on their part to play smaller more > intimate venues for the benefit of their fans? I think they could > definitely fill larger halls, but I'm very happy that I'll be able to > get right up front because of the smallness of Roseland in N.Y.C. > > Vote List Thug > SOMMS Sherriff > > "Well, we're not just going to let you guys walk out of here.: > > "We...who's we?" > > "Oh...Smith, and Wesson, and me." > --Harry Callahan > > Paul > > ------------------------------ From: phreak Subject: Re: ramblings On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, infinite wrote: > > > people love to talk about chris's (and everyone else's) lyrics.. i read something on REM that is almost exactly what i feel about most of Sg's songs.. > > it was an interview w/ peter buck (some g-tar mag) and he said somehting along the lines of "most of the lyrics are just strings of words that sounded cool together".. i never have understood trying to delve a deeper meaning out of a band's lyrics. i guess you'd really need to be deep in psychoanalitic stuff to try and get anything. what if no attention was chris's reaction to watching a stupid tv show? (or mtv for that matter) i feel this idea definately covers "never the machine forever", i can't imagine those words for any other reason. ??? > > kevin > Well although I believe that people can read their own personal meanings into lyrics, I agree with what you've said. You do get these people who, having purchased a new album start dissecting and analysing the lyrics straight away, hoping to gain some sort of deep and meaningful insight into the writer's words. People that think that with their own superficial definitions and conclusions, and with a few healthy logical leaps here and there they can understand what was going through the writer's head at the time of writing which, is of course ridiculous. Nobody can ever get inside another person's head to know why they do something. A classic example is "Like Suicide". A lot of people thought it was some deep and meaningful song attributing the course of love to suicide and suchlike. I even read in magazines over here where people (and that is, music journalists) assumed the song was about Kurt Cobain's suicide!! Then, when you find out the song's about a bird that flew into Chris' window and lay half dead on his balcony, it makes you laugh at all the cod-psychologists and lyrical suregons (as in people who have to take every song apart word by word to find its true meaning - whatever that is). I happen to know what I'm talking about as well. I've written songs (I was in a band for a brief time), and some of the songs were ambiguous to say the least, but it didn't stop friends and other people reading things into them and trying to analyse my thoughts. I had people saying to me "Well, you say that's not what the song's about, but subconsciously, it may have been so..." or "Their may be the underlying subtext which is rooted deep in your subconscious...". Yeh, give someone a lyric and they suddenly become a psychologist. That's why I used to especially enjoy writing obscure songs which weren't about anything and watching people try to dissect them. They'd come to me with their meanings and I'd just say "Well, actually that song's about the time I sat on some freshly chewed up bubblegum and it spoiled my clothes and not a heatfelt cry for help at my supposed inner pain and suffering". Or something. - -me ------------------------------ From: Eliza J Polly Subject: RE: SOMMS General Election >There you go, five quality reasons why you should vote for me as your SOMMS >Sherriff. The SOMMS General Election will be this Thursday, October 10, >1996. So, cast your votes. Hmmmmm, who could be more in support of this than me?!?! Noone!! hehe ;-) I would vote a dozen times if i could, but, ummm, that is probably not too PC so I will just say once that I support Aaron for Somms Sherriff! May the best man win ;-) - --eliza Chi Somms Fest .....one month from today!! ------------------------------ From: "Michael Kruse" Subject: Re: tool I'VE GONE TO GREAT LENGHTS TO EXPAND MY THRESHOLD OF PAIN........(maynard) see you all at the ups fieldhouse...tool.... i got tix!!! i got tix!!!! A GOOD NIGHT....THE BEST IN A LONG TIME A NEW FRIEND INTRODUCED ME TO AN OLD FAVORITE NOTHING BETTER..THAN A DEALER WHOS HIGH ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Me, too!!! Ummm... first of all, thanks to everyone who's been so supportive of my "Soundgarden Art." I'm really proud of my drawing of Chris, and I'm happy to hear that most of y'all like it. ;-) As soon as I get back from my Seattle trip, I'm going to work on pieces of everyone else in the band. Heheheh... poor guys. Ok, and now as to the "me, too" part of the post... I was in CD Warehouse tonight, and I found this copy of Hater sitting there all by its lonesome... so I did what most any other obsessed person would do... I bought it. I already have a copy of Hater, though... so I'm gonna do a contest, too (ala Eric and Ang). I know a bunch of y'all don't have the CD, so e-mail me, and I'll do that whole names into a hat, pull one out, and mail it to the winner thing. But please people... only e-mail me if you DON'T have the CD. I've talked to a couple of sneaky people out there who have entered EVERY contest that's happened on this list, even if they've already had THREE copies of the thing being given away. (And you KNOW who you are). So all you Hater-less people, write me. And while your at it... tell me how much you like Chris Cornell's sexy body. =) It won't make me give you the CD, but I sure would get a kick out of it. Especially if it's the guys who are writing it. ;-) Heheheh... Ummm, I guess I'll take entries until Saturday, and I'll draw a name on Sunday. Winner announced Monday. Chris Cornell molested on Tues... oops, getting ahead of myself again, dammit. Heheheh... Shroom "Hey Shroom... I found a new use for baby oil, those styrofoam-packing-peanut-thingies, and a metronome! C'mere and let me show you..." ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Pretty Noose & Burden In My Hand 7"s I'm back again. It's me the unofficial keeper of the PN & BIMH number UK 7" list. If you or anyone you know has either of these, please contact me & include the number of the record. The BIMH list should be longer. I know for a fact Mr Steven Russell has one, just not sure the number. So if Steven or any other PN or BIMH owners that don't appear on the lists below could be email me I'd be appreciated. Ironic thing... they call them 'seven inch' records & they're from the UK. Shouldn't it be called a "17 centimeter" record since the English (like the rest of the World) use the metric system? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Pretty Noose" VINYL 7" UK single Jamie 0052 (jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org) Chris 0915 (mansfiel@nwlink.com) seth 2154 (saperl@MIT.EDU) eric 2218 (beavis@io.com) Chris MacKenzie 2219 (?@?.com) eric 2220 (beavis@io.com) Dena 2502 (Geek Girl@aol.com) seth 2807 (saperl@MIT.EDU) audrey 2791 (ALH@cglw.com) Vikki 3913 (ansel@morgan.com) ray 4626 (UnknMan@aol.com) SGardnGrl 4835 (iawake@ix.netcom.com) 0012 of 5000 found +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Burden In My Hand" VINYL 7" UK single Jamie 2690 (jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org) ray (me) 4129 (UnknMan@aol.com) 0002 of 5000 found +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thank you, ray (c: Coming soon to a store near you: "Blow Up The Outside World" 7"... just saw an ad in a Goldmine magazine! (c: ------------------------------ From: "Jamie C." Subject: Crazy....? i'm kinda new....although i subscribed last school year. what's up with some of these people? i mean, why worry about who dresses like what, and who is "ruining" the list. it's a soundgarden newsletter, for god's sake. not a space to settle personal vendettas, it's just a place to talk about music and stuff. if my theory is wrong, and this IS a place to fight, then that's pretty sad. Anyways....... anyone here dig I Mother Earth? they are the best Canadian band, next to The Tea Party I mostly listen to canadian bands, but sg is definitely the best american band around.....(that's my little sg-lover plug) ******************************** "You and I are not the same.... you like everything" ******************************** +jamie c.+ ------------------------------ From: "Jamie C." Subject: crazy 2 just a question..... because i am new to the list, i am a little kid, with no knowledge of the "internet"???? please...try not to flatter me too much. do i have to use the right "internet lingo" and stuff to be accepted here? do i have to agree with everything the "veterans" say to be accepted here? do i have to be a "normal" person, or a "radical" person to be accepted here? wow.......i got one word: shallow. there. my tirade is done. i'm here to interact with "people" and voice my opinion. i'm not full of angst or anything. i'm a 19 year old dude who loves music to the point of addiction (this is beginning to rhyme) i'm outta here...... ******************************* "You and I are not the same.... you like everything" (I Mother Earth-"Three Days Old") ******************************* +jamie c.+ ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 268] ****************************************