From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 7 Oct 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 11:14:30 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Monday, 7 Oct 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: BUTOW Overplayage now... Re: sadness Re: Overfloating in DC Re: Electric Factory Tickets Sold out Soundgarden calendar RE: Soundgarden calendar HUMPH, re: sadness one more thing... Re: sadness Re: our dear chris the lawyer guy Re: the lawyer guy (sniff) :( re: sadness Re: HUMPH, re: sadness Loudest Loves Re: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 6 Oct 1996 why you all must go to south carolina concerned fan Re: sadness Saddness, Skinny Chris Re: sadness Black Sun sculpture Re: Just wondering abt "grunge RE: Thingy - my quest for yet MORE E-mail RE: Kareoke RE: Kareoke ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Cynthia Siragusa Subject: Re: BUTOW Overplayage now... Misty Shaw wrote: > > >Has anyone noticed overplayage of Blow up the Outside World recently? I haven't heard it ONCE anywhere on NYC and surrounding area stations! NYC radio sux! Cyn ------------------------------ From: jcho@discovernet.net (Joshua Cho) Subject: Re: sadness >didn't I make it clear that I was a 29 year >old married lawyer? I'm pretty sure she knew that, but she was so >dumbfounded that I wasn't pierced and radical looking >Sadly ......Brian > > From a fellow 29-year-old SG fan: If you want to talk about dinosaurs: why do you think SG sounds a lot like Zeppelin or Sabbath???? The guys in the band grew up with those influences. How many of the "younger" generation can recognize this in SG's music, I wonder??? It's all about roots. When you're able to see where somebody's music is coming from, and relate to their experiences, that's when the music really means something other than how "cool" or trendy it makes you feel and look. Josh ------------------------------ From: UnknownFan@aol.com Subject: Re: Overfloating in DC Hi everyone- I am new to the list. I am going to the Washington DC show in November and I am psyched beyond words. The 94 Bender Arena/SuperUnknown show was one of the best I have seen, and I am looking forward to a repeat. What I want to know is this: are there other SG fans here in the nation's capital? (There must be :-) ) I am also on the Afghan Whigs list, and we get together once in a while for shows and even drinks. If anyone is interested in this--or at the very least--trying to hook up at the Patriot Center show, please e-mail me at UnknownFan@aol.com. Thanks, Laura ------------------------------ From: Shanna Moore Subject: Re: Electric Factory Tickets Sold out Yeah I totally understand. I went to SG concerts in L.A. and never once did they sell out on me, and I would never buy my tickets the day they went on sale either. Now all of a sudden, I'm going to school in Boston and bam, they were sold out. I am soooooooo pissed right now. Does any one know were I can get four tickets for the Brandeis show on Nov. 19? Thanx smokey5 ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Soundgarden calendar Several people have emailed me to ask where to get the *1997* Soundgarden calendar. So for everyone who must have Flaming June RIGHT NOW... I got mine from Esprit Records, which has a UK office and a US one (based in Seattle no less!) And yep, they'll mail to Aus, Japan and all those other far flung places. Their email address is 100307.3627@compuserve.com UK phone number is 01474 815010 US phone number is 206 323 1176 Have fun! the 'other' Deb ------------------------------ From: Eliza J Polly Subject: RE: Soundgarden calendar they also have it at www.cdnow.com.......just do a search for Soundgarden and you can place your order on line...takes about 2 weeks to arrive and btw, i am much more favorable towards February and October...*sigh* - --eliza ------------------------------ From: Eliza J Polly Subject: HUMPH, re: sadness This makes me really sad.....just the fact that this topic had to come up. There is already so much overemphasis on this planet on external appearances and it makes me sad that any of us should feel uncomfortable or "shunned" for not looking a certain way!! Brian, i can totally relate. I am 28 and a professional as well. On the outside, during the week, I look very normal and conservative, like I probably listen to Debbie Gibson.....that is a choice I have made because I wanted a career and to be successful. In the '80s and even early '90s in the high school and college years, I did not have that to worry about all the life stuff, i was wild and free. But my music tastes have not changed, my general attitude about the world has not changed, i am still "radical" on the inside, i have just matured and made a choice for a lifestyle and a look that fits where I am at right now. Whatever really happened last night, I don't know - i believe in two sides to every story. But regardless, I think it is sad that no matter what really happened, Brian felt uncomfortable and was self-conscious about the fact that he didn't fit someone else's expectations of what he "should" look like... I have to say (and feel free to flame away) that I notice a very big difference in *most* (my disclaimer) under- 23 year olds than in those of us in their late 20s, early 30s....it is not their fault, they are stuck in a generation that has very different sets of expectations, etc. But I have noticed that they tend to be very stuck on the issue of "looking the look" and IF YOU DON'T YOU MUST NOT BE COOL. I have received some amazing comments and looks when I have gone into some indie record stores after work in a suit....so because I have a professional career and need to dress for that, i can't be into "their" music? So if I have chosen, for myself, to not pierce my bo! dy! parts other than my ears, I am not up-to-par? I try not to let it get to me....i am older and have seen more and I know that how i dress and how i choose to not pierce myself, means nothing about my love for music, etc. Those of us who went thru the early post-punk era and the early "alternative" (when it really was....) days, I am sure can relate to the struggle of feeling that we no longer "fit' into this supposedly new phenomenon....but HEY, we were there when it was just beginning, when people said "Green who? Jane's what???" and Seattle was just another city on the map....to now hear and see that we are in some ways rejected by the "new" generation of alterno-kids, is disheartening....we do have to grow up sometime and make choices about careers and families, etc. - that is a choice that some of us have made, not all....and i refuse to be ashamed of it. Why the fuck does it matter how we look on the outside - what could that possibly really mean about our insides?!?! I will be meeting *a lot* of Sommsters in the next couple of months and i will be damned if I am made to feel uncomfortable about how i *choose* to look.....it is a choice, remember? not some law or dress code that we have to abide by if we like a certain type of music.... Whew, I feel better now... - --eliza, born in the '60s and proud of it..... and still wearing Docs on the weekends :-) ------------------------------ From: Eliza J Polly Subject: one more thing... >>Of course no one wants to listen to us dinosaurs, who did all the drugs and blazed all these tired old paths in the 80's . as i kept thinking, this disturbed me even more.....that Brian feels like he has to justify himself by saying he did the drug scene, etc. back then..... i have NEVER done a drug in my life, and i grew up in New York City with a wild group of people who were mostly all doing it but me...and i sang in an intense R&R band....so am i uncool? that is probably one of the saddest things i have seen in this new generation.....it is cool to be doing drugs, if you are not or didnt, you are an outcast. I don't want to judge anyone, we all make our own choices, but is this something we really want to loudly be proud of? Especially since it has led to the demise of so many we have loved.....it sickens me that we should feel like we have to say we were into drugs to seem cool. i am done. eliza ------------------------------ From: dbradsh@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: sadness This letter completly bummed me out. I read it this morning and pondered it all day while at work. I really hate labels. As much as it isnt fair to label for dressing conservatively, it isnt fair to label for being somewhat on the radical side. And that is the other side of this story. I am a 27 year old, pierced and tattooed individual...Individual...that is the key word. The fact that i am as such does not make me "cool" or have more in common with those around me that are younger and "hip"...it is all just external stuff...i catch a lot of flack because of the way i look too...because i am also a mother and wife, and i dont "fit" in with all the PTA moms... It really is high time we started accepting people for who they are, what they belief in, what they stand for...not some preconcieved bullshit idea of whats "cool" and whats not...there is nothing "cool" about judging people based on externalities...take away all the clothin and piercings and tattoos and anything else deemed cool today and you are left with just the person...judge that if you feel the need to judge... DeeDee ******************************************************************************** Dee Dee Bradshaw-Autry "Be careful with me...I am fragile. Im a bitch babe...and Im on fire" Garbage http://www.infochase.com/ent/deedee/index.html "The shortest distance between two points may be a straight line, but the longest distance between them is `life'." SubG "Sleep tight for me...I'm gone..." Sound Garden ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Re: our dear chris on oct 5, 1996 spierce@mpls.k12.mn.us wrote: >i was looking at the awesome pictures that vikki took in barcelona, and i >got this really sick sad feeling. i haven't really taken peoples comments >about him looking bad seriously. but he looks so sick. skinny. yeah, i am totally worried about chris. ever since i ran across that chris & joey ramone photo in RS last month, i think, i've been totally scared. chris (along with the rest of SG, not to take anything away from them at all) is a totally amazing person and i really care about him and SG. it'd really be heartbreaking and devestating for anything to happen to any of them. and no, it's not weird to have yr emotions effected by someone you don't know. when i opened RS, my jaw dropped open in shock and i almost dropped the magazine and tears came to my eyes. i was so scared. >that that one picture where he is smiling really big is the sweetes thing >i've seen in a long time. what a gorgeous man. he's absolutely brilliant, >i just wish he was as healthy looking as he used to be. as do i... mind riot ____ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i'm tied within i'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: the lawyer guy to the lawyer who mentioned somehting about being dressed nice and = making money, don't worry about it! i don't know about everyone here, = but i'd much rather see someone dressed up that has taste than some = little teeny bopper w/ colored hair going on and on about how great the = "new" nirvana album is.. (anyone else sick of seeing dead people milked = for more money?)=20 it's pathetic to dismiss someone b/c of the way they are dressed, or = what they do. a lot of the pierced/tattooed people are really fake, and = think theyr'e bad cause they're marked for life.. . ------------------------------ From: Dicknail@aol.com Subject: Re: the lawyer guy In a message dated 96-10-06 15:59:31 EDT, you write: > > to the lawyer who mentioned somehting about being dressed nice and making >money, don't worry about it! i don't know about everyone here, but i'd much >rather see someone dressed up that has taste than some little teeny bopper w/ >colored hair going on and on about how great the "new" nirvana album is.. umm... thats me... oh well, tuff shit... you just classified and labelled me yrself... no offense but isnt that just as bad as what yr saying everyone else does?? > it's pathetic to dismiss someone b/c of the way they are dressed, or what >they do. a lot of the pierced/tattooed people are really fake, and think >theyr'e bad cause they're marked for life.. . im not pierced cos you have to have parental permission and im underage...but i think it looks neat...and thats about as far as it goes in my opinion. its like wearing makeup...theres no statement always..sometimes you just like the way it looks or wahtever. ok..im a dumass and this made no sense but i hadda say *something* now..on the grote thing... im sad bout this too... specially cos i might have had the chance to meet shroom in the almost-near-future and im a fat ugly lil witch..now im scared... anyway....back to lurkerdom fer me i guess... ~severed lethargy~ "the last time i fell in love she had red red hair and a ring in her nose she called me jellybean while we played basketball it was so divine, but never like this you are my entity you are my dream" ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: (sniff) :( hey all... sorry to be such a stranger...i've been swamped and haven't kept up with list biz very well...ANYWAY...the normally jovial grote is feeling rather somber today, so brace yourself... is it just me, or did brian's message to the list (re: meeting shroom) this weekend really strike a chord??? i just read it a few minutes ago and i feel really strange. i don't think i've ever read a more powerful commentary on the "generation/culture gap" that unfortunately seems to be taking a hold of pop culture...even on our fine sg list. i'm not going to pass judgment on anyone, because i wasn't present for brian and shroom's meeting. shroom has been nothing short of an inspiration on this list since her arrival, and i've thoroughly enjoyed her posts and good-natured ribbing about hootchies and lawsuits and whatnot...but i can't help but wonder. shroom, i'd love to hear from you. as i said earlier, brian's post really knocked the wind out of me. i find it quite disturbing that he's received lukewarm response from younger members of the list...i'm 7 years younger than him, but we seemed to hit it off like gangbusters. and i can honestly say that if i were to meet him in person, we would continue to make a good connection. i don't look radical. i am not pierced, outside of a hole in my earlobe that has seen bi-monthly use at best since i semi-retired my earring collection two years ago. i'm in my fourth year of college, hold down two semi-professional university editorial jobs and look quite normal...partially because it helps in my professional development and partially because i don't feel the need to be an image-monger. and oh yeah, in case it matters...i love soundgarden. but i digress... brian, i'm assuming this all means that you'll be unsubscribing, my good friend (that is, if you haven't already...i'll mail privately to check up on you). if so...keep in touch. thanks for the kind words and the ongoing legal tutelage...i'll use every last conniving tactic, trust me. :) caryn...i think i remember you posting something last week to the effect of "what happened to this list?" that's a good damn question. it seems like the last month has spawned this influx of alterna-nothings that have accomplished little outside of making me less interested in the daily content of somms@mit.edu. don't get me wrong, i've seen some fabulous commentary from some new and unfamiliar names, but much of it has been pure fodder. as an original member of the list since its inception back in the cenozoic era, i've noticed this downward trend somewhat since the beginning...it's inevitable that the more people you add, the more chance you have of getting some garbage. but recently it's seemed out of control. i hope i'm wrong. i don't want to unsubscribe because there are great people on this list sharing great information about a great band. until that changes, i'm a bonafide sommite. but brian, your voice is heard...if by no one else but me. to the newer list members...welcome. please take the time to browse the web page or old digests to get a little background about the people and discussion on the list before you jump in and rattle your chains. it's just common courtesy. i want nothing more than to see this list grow and get continuously better, but this is not a process that comes easily. to fellow "veterans"...yes, things have changed. but i hope i'm speaking for at least a few of us when i say that we all welcome the growth and change and are willing to work and keep this list as fantastic as it has been. well, this is starting to sound like a fucking peace corps promo so i'll close... feel free to e-mail me privately, one and all, to talk about all of this...and flame if you must... later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Dicknail@aol.com Subject: re: sadness i made a boo boo..i said it was grote read the address wrong..it was brina..im a dumass...you all knoew that theo right? ; ) anyway, sorry for the mix up...later all ~ophelia~ ------------------------------ From: Lauren Simonis Subject: Re: HUMPH, re: sadness Hey, I thought all of this was about a love for music not a contest over who is better dressed and has more pierces or who is "cooler." As far as I'm concerned you can be from the moon, what we all have in common is our shared admiration and love for SG. Isn't that cool enough? LAUREN ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Loudest Loves Hey listers, I went to the local annual record collector's convention, and made a few finds. Actually, I made several finds, but only a few purchases due to funding constraints. First, I purchased the Loudest Love cd, brand-new in the wrapper, and a promo-picture-disc copy of Loud Love. But I also saw other goodies, including the 12" singles for Loud Love, Outshined, JCP, Rusty Cage; 7" singles for FOBD, Outshined. I also the 2 cd set for FOBD for $27CDN! and the Superunknown Singles Box for $26CDN!!! Ouch! That really hurt; I didn't buy it. Any comments on my purchases? Are any of the 12" singles I mentioned especially rare?? I almost bought the JCP 12", but technology won out to nostalgia. Ciao, Geoff ------------------------------ From: DiMarrzio@aol.com Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 6 Oct 1996 Anyone going to the nashville show? Im am so excited I cannot express my happiness in words or actions. So everybody around me is like, " Why arent you excited? SG is finally coming." And I say that I am and noone believes me and its a whole big mess BUT I digress. Back to the question anyone else going to the nashville show? oh and has anyone else had problems loading Alive in the SU on their computer? my cd-rom drive starts to scan it and just keeps scanning it and it never registers that its there. Hmmm? advice? Blake ------------------------------ From: "Joseph A. Burnett" Subject: why you all must go to south carolina i just got back from one of the most enjoyable excursions of my life.....I, Big JOe, chicago-dweller, just got back from a stellar weekend in charleston, south carolina, from seeing the PEARL JAM show. In a very general understatement, it was unbelieveable. the north charleston coliseum is an incredible venue. It is a hockey arena by structure, making the general admission area, well, the size of a hockey rink. The stage was only five feet high, all of these factors making for an incredibly intimate setting. PJ was stellar, they played incredibly, very social with the audience, took REQUESTS from the audience, switched positions frequently (eddie on tamborines, jeff playing behind the drummer, jeff playing a citar or some funny looking bass instrument)..shattering all the misconceptions........it made for an incredible show. i even ate at a waffle house!!!!(don't see any of those up north)! Now how, you all ask, is big joe going to pull a sg string out of his ass? please, challenge me. first, to see soundgarden at the north charleston coliseum would be absolutely amazing. for shroom and all the other hoochies, the only way to get closer to the almighty cc would be that TDITTL poster tacked on your ceiling above your bed. number two, eddie was commenting on how when he was a kid, he always wished he could see his favorite band on the last date of the tour, for it would be the best. Shattering the misconception, he says the second to last show is always the best (considering on the last night the band is out drunk in the streets till the wee hours, and feeling rather shitty the next day) so whoever is seeing the 2nd to last sg show ought to be counting their blessings. Third, my excursion for the weekend was an incredible experience, living and breathing the band of choice for that weekend, so y'all coming to chicago in november will have a kick ass time. Fourth and final string, for all the non-believers, that doesn't look like matt on the no code album..............................AND I'M OUT, NON-FLAMED, LIKE ONLY A SEASONED SOMMSTER COULD HANDLE IT!!!!!!!! cya in chicago, toni email me soon. L8RZ BIg JOe - --------O But it all makes such Sense to me i need room to breathe I work for the goals that i set Wasted time it weighs on my mind You can bet I can't wait one minute more - -----CIV ------------------------------ From: michele@waterw.com Subject: concerned fan Hi somms list members, I think there is something defintely wrong with chris as alot of people had said. I mean those picuters of him he looks like he has not being taking care of himself. It is so sad to be a fan n not to be able to do anything except wonder what the hell is wrong with him. I wish there so something I could do except complain to you people somebody tell him to eat. I think we need to start a charity or something like the make chris eat something corpartion. Forget about ferris Save Chris damn it. I mean it should be our knew sign Save Chris! somms@mit.edu or something. I seriously concerned, Matt? somebody who can talk to the guy? if you read this donate a pizza to the guy or something or just tell him to EAT for the sake of the worried fans n list members. Thank you that's all I have to complain about now.Bye. I am just a babbling fool really, Michele ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: sadness Ok kiddies, here I am defending myself once again. Brian, I know that I behaved badly last night, and that you were angry with me... but I don't understand why you felt it necessary to flame me on the list without even giving me a chance to explain myself first. I really do wish that you had e-mailed me privately about this, instead of making it into a list topic. Now I will explain my behavior last night... First off, I have to apologize. I know this excuse has been used way too much, but I was pretty drunk by the time our meeting took place last night. My usual drinking limit is one Hurricane, but I'd already consumed two by the time you'd gotten there because I knew that I was going to crash at my friend Droops house, and wouldn't have to drive myself anywhere. I really wasn't sure if you were going to show up, or not. I hadn't heard back from you since Mondy, and then when I wrote and asked you if you were still planning on going, you said "I think we are planning on being there, I'll look for you." I didn't know if that was a yes, or a maybe. I know it wasn't overly late when you'd gotten there, but I'd already pretty much decided that you were going to come. I wasn't upset about it... I just figured that something had come up. Therefore, I decided that it would be ok for me to have the extra drinks. My mistake, sorry. >I don't know where she was mislead, didn't I make it clear that I >was a 29 year old married lawyer? I'm pretty sure she knew that, >but she was so dumbfounded that I wasn't pierced and radical looking >that she just did not know what to say . . . really wasn't conducive >to conversation . . . anyway, I did the natural thing . . . I left. I really didn't know what to expect when meeting you, Brian. Yes, I knew that you were a 29 year old married lawyer. And I'm sorry if it seemed that I made a bit deal out of your attire... you're only the second person I've met off the list, and I really didn't know exactly how to act. And of course, being smashed didn't help matters. I wasn't 'dumbfounded' by you... I would have been shocked if you HAD been pierced and "radical" looking, but you were rather preppily dressed. I really had no idea of what you would look like, but I guess I was expecting an older guy. You know... lawyer-ish. You do NOT look like what I had pictured a lawyer as. You were young and attractive. Most lawyers... aren't. This is sounding really bad, isn't it? Damn me. I honestly didn't mean to come across like I was shunning you for the way you were dressed, Brian. I guess I should have told you a little bit more about myself before we met. I can be quite a smart-ass, and my humor isn't always taken the right way by people. You kinda have to get to know me before I don't seem so... caustic (for want of a better word). It's a character flaw, and I really try not to act like that most of the time. I'm usually quite successful at containing that unsavory part of my personality, but unfortunately when I drink, I don't always care to keep an eye on myself, and smack myself around when I start to get like that. It was truly rude and stupid of me. >So I guess the point is, I really feel shitty. I thought the point of this >list was to bring together different people who had a common interest, >no matter who they were or how they dressed. Mistake, I guess. I feel really shitty, too. I didn't realize that I was shunning you, and I certainly wasn't doing it because of the way you were dressed. My tact isn't the best in the world, obviously. This list IS for the purpose of bringing together people with a common bond. Last night was just a really big fuck-up on my part. >Trust me, I did the scene when I was younger . . . all these >wanna be alterna-rock bands are nothing but the new version >of Debbie Gibson. I don't mean to get off on a rant here, but >when my friends and I were into Jane's Addiction in 1987, it >wasn't because they were radio darlings. But now that this >shit is the shit, everyone wants to feel as if they are in on >something new and cool. Ain't the case. Of course no one >wants to listen to us dinosaurs, who did all the drugs and >blazed all these tired old paths in the 80's . . . this alternarock >thing is new and exciting!!!!!! Ummm... I feel your pain? I can understand what you're saying, but I don't see how it is relevent to last night. If you're implying something about my lifestyle, kindly just come out and say it, Brian. I won't be mad... after all, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I'd really like to hear more about this... >The point is, who gives a shit how I dress now . . . I make money >in the real world, and still know what's up in the so called >alternative world . . . No one gives a shit how you dress now. Last night was bad judgement and too much alcohol on my part. I really can't apologize enough for that, because in case you haven't caught on yet... I really REALLY feel badly about it. >therefore. I should be judgmental of you pierced, wierd fucking outcasts . . >but I'm not. Ok, can you be any more insulting, Brian? Through this whole fiasco, I have NEVER said anything like "you weird fucking 'normal' people." Since when did I become an outcast? And where in the hell have I been cast out of? Please enlighten me of this one, because I guess I really HAVE been living in the dark. Yeah, I'm weird looking and pierced, but so what? You should have known what I look like, because I have TWO pictures in the member's directory. As to the working part, I have a job just like everyone else, and I'm damn good at what I do. My looks have no effect on my job skills, whatsoever. Is this your way at striking back at me for my bad behaviour last night? Well, I hope you feel better now, kiddo. >I guess I just didn't expect such bullshit from someone I >thought knew better. My mistake. I guess neither one of us really knew each other at all. I came home tonight to drop you a note apologizing for last night (I wanted to call you today, but we never exchanged phone numbers) and try and make plans for another meeting, so maybe we could actually have a converstion, instead of having to scream at each other over really loud music (and I would be sober)... but then I found that you had flamed me on the list. So now both of us are unhappy, and so is everyone else on the list. >The list is overrun with teenage ignorant newbies >(flame away, juniors) Again, is this some kind of hint towards my lifestyle? Maybe it's not, but I'm assuming that it is because your whole post was directed at me. For everyone's information, I am out of my teenage years (I'm 22)... I have a 3.85 GPA... and I've been listening to Soundgarden hardcore since '89. I am NOT a teenager... I am NOT ignorant (I made a mistake last night, but I don't think that makes me ignorant. I'm just not good at handling myself in new situations with alot of alcohol in my system.)... and I most certainly am not a newbie. >I still wish I could be friends with Shroom, but maybe I'm just way off >I thought Nothingman was cool, so what do I know? Yeah, well Nothingman was my bud, too... so that makes two of us, right? Yes, you can still be friends with me, Brian. Kindly accept my apology, and let me meet you again in a better atmosphere. Maybe we can grab some munchies at IHOP, or something? I really would like the chance to show you that I'm not the prejudiced, flighty, empty-headed moron I came across as last night. I'm much better when I'm sober... I promise. And maybe I won't look so fucking weird in normal light. Let me know one way or the other, ok? Shroom ------------------------------ From: "Miguel G. Vrolijk" Subject: Saddness, Skinny Chris Just 2 bit from a lurker here.... Joining this list about two months ago really educated me on SG. Thank you Seth for the website and thank you all for making this possible.... About this appearance thing: how we look seems to be big deal in our society (or should I say societies?) I remember seeing something on CNN about men doing liposuction and getting hair transplants in order to be more "competitive" in the job marketplace... This is unfortunate, but that's the message we get while growing up. This list, gathering from what I've read so far, is a very diverse list of people, with a great range of age, occupations, interests, origins, and life experiences. We shouldn't expect the 600+ members on this list to be immediate soul mates. We shouldn't expect to click with someone immediately just because we share an interest in SG, or anything else for that matter (I dont't know the whole story, so I'm just speculating here). What I'm trying to say is; let us be more tolerant toward each other, and (getting corny here) let us make our diversity our strength and not or weakness. About the photo of Chris from Barcelona: he looks horrible. Look at that neck! I love the one where he's wearing that big smile! Reminds me of the Kerrang! article: "...Chris Cornell is smiling like a Cheshire Cat..." I'm worried about him, and wish him all the best. But he's a big boy now, and should know how to take care of himself.... Please excuse my English, but it's not my mother tongue.... Miguel ------------------------------ From: Neuromute@aol.com Subject: Re: sadness Shroom and list: The peirced, weird fucking outcast comment was a stereotype of what "normal" people think of the crowd you run with, not what I think. The statement was meant to be ironic, since I felt that I was being burned in effigy for being "normal", which is the funniest fucking thing ever, the more a think about it. I did not attack you personally in my post once. I' m not mad at you, Shroom. And you are right, I should have dealt with you personally first. But after slamming several beers at Trees during our uncomfortable meeting, and being really pissed at the time, it felt like the thing to do. Judging from the reaction, maybe it is something that needs to be discussed anyway. My later comment about the composition of the list membership had nothing to do with you...your posts are intelligent, informative and hilareous, and I look forward to reading them along with those of Grote, Aarron, Caryn and several others. The rest is usually crap. That was the point. period. paragraph. Later...Bri ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Black Sun sculpture I was leafing though a Seattle guidebook this morning and saw a reference to a sculpture in Volunteer Park. It's by Isamu Naguchi and it's called Black Sun. " Area residents call it either The Doughnut or The Black Hole." I was wondering if that's where Chris Cornell got the title for Black Hole Sun. After all, Soundgarden are named after a sculpture. Whadyathink? Deb ------------------------------ From: spazmatazz Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Joe Cennamo wrote: > No, but they music is orinated around a higher being, If soundgarden > thrashed and wrote about that higher being then they would be daeth metal. *sigh!* The more you write, the more ignorant you sound about music in general. I happen to be into Death Metal as well and would like to know what "higher being" all Death Metal bands sing about. I'd also like you to give me some examples of bands that do so. That is, of course, unless you're making a h-u-g-e generalisation... - -me ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: Thingy - my quest for yet MORE E-mail Dicknail said his favourite lyric of all time was: >>"the telephone is ringing, disconnect the line. the tension is = building but im alright. the stars arte colliding so you might as well let me go... somewhere somehow ive been denied." Can you please tell me who sang that? I like it.............. (extra note: I've just read your reply to this survey, Steve - who sang = the song you mention there? I have a feeling this is going to be = interesting to read all these replies! Can people please indicate the = band and the song the lyrics are from??) By the way, I like the survey you're doing, Guitarist! Can you please = have a long-term deadline for this? I want some time to think about it = (especially the favourite song of all time question - that would have to = be the most difficult question in the world for me to answer!), and I = still have 253 Somms posts left to read before I'm up-to-date! [sigh] Carolyn the Manual French-kisser I know this summer's gonna be the best - if I don't die from lack of = rest.....Violent Femmes ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: Kareoke Fett81 wrote: >> I was just wondering how many people have a copy of = the Launch CD ROM mag with Kareoke on it. I got it today and was surprised = to hear how good it was. =20 I have that CD ROM, thanks to my dear friend Jamesetta! I was very = impressed - with Chris & Kim on the Soundgarden interview also. And I = was interested to note that even a couple of Aussie bands made it onto = the extra audio CD that came with it. Carolyn the Man's Favourite I want it now and I don't care how??Metallica ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: Kareoke Heather Jackson also replied to this question: >>>> I was just wondering how many people have a copy = of the > Launch CD ROM mag with Kareoke on it. I got it today and was = surprised to >>I have that CD-rom..and I love that interview with Chris and Kim!! As = for Karoake...It really isn't high on my list of favorite SG songs, and the sound quality is terrible. (is that just Launch, or my copy?) Heather Heather, we must have great minds, thinking alike like that! = (mentioning the Chris & Kim interview). My Karaoke sounds great on the = CD Jamie sent me - maybe you got a dud copy?? I recommend that Launch CD Rom to the USAers out there - I don't think = it costs much, does it? Carolyn the Mechanically Fine Look at the crowd & tell me whether all are surrounded but none are = together......The Offspring ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 266] ****************************************