From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 5 Oct 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 03:19:07 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 5 Oct 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: WHAT ARE TICKETBASTARD'S PRICES? Re:(3): BUTOW overplayage... Images and other Web stuff Strained peas and related subjects Re: Overplaying Soundgarden Flaming June Re: Flaming June overplayer, pop crap, y otras cosas Hype! Hi from Belgium Re: Just wondering abt "grunge Re: Just wondering abt "grunge Re: In defense of "grunge" Re: BUTOW Overplayage now... Re: this whole grunge thing... Re: arguing about a label Re: Just wondering about grunge Soundgarden in N.Y.C. Re: Strained peas and related subjects SG Moments into a question... Why? Re: Images and other Web stuff (fwd) Re: Just wondering abt "grunge mlb Re: Flaming June Re: Just wondering abt "grunge Chicago... little SG experience... Sassy man Have a second helping Chris...please!! philadelphia show chicago Re: Have a second helping Chris...please!! Re: Chicago... Re: Have a second helping Chris...please!! !!!!!!!!!! STuFF =) Re: Images and other Web stuff (fwd) Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 4 Oct 1996 Re: STuFF =) somms 'no code' poll re: chicago Re: somms 'no code' poll The FINAL word.... Re: somms 'no code' poll RE: Have a second helping Chris...please!! Re: somms 'no code' poll Electric Factory Tickets Sold out RE: hater and Ben Shepherd RE: Have a second helping Chris...please!! Re: somms 'no code' poll (and more STuFF) Blowin into the windy city Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 3 Oct 1996 detroit? ------------------------------------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (RoseeMisst) Subject: WHAT ARE TICKETBASTARD'S PRICES? From info about the recent postings, some of you have already bought tickets. I would like to know the ticket prices so I can estimate the cost of going to Soundgarden's show. They still haven't started selling in LA yet!! I would appreciate it if you e-mail me with ticket price info. RoseeMisst - -- Orange Coast College Costa Mesa California ------------------------------ From: Badmotorfinger@nrunner.mil.wi.us Subject: Re:(3): BUTOW overplayage... Yeah, my Aunt is 40 now and since left L.A., but she was there during the 80's. Ill ask her about what you said. I used to tune into the sounds of Soundgarden, Rush, Megadeth, Ozzy, Metallica, Lenny Kravitz, Zeppelin ect.. All my favorites, and one day it was all brought to an end... ------------------------------ Subject: Images and other Web stuff From: seth As promised, I added the scans of the cover of the Hype! soundtrack and the photo of Kim in the liner notes to the Web page (that's www.sgi.net/soundgarden/images/hype1.jpg and hype2.jpg). I also added the cover of the Rockview interview CD that was mentioned here a few days ago and the photos from the liner notes (rv1.jpg, rv2.jpg, rv3.jpg, rv5.jpg, rv6.jpg). Dedicated pages with more detail on both CDs are forthcoming. The real gems in tonight's additions are a whole bunch of photos that Vikki took of Soundgarden in Barcelona. Some *great* pictures of Chris and Kim signing autographs, a couple of excellent stage shots, Susan behind the soundboard, and some miscellany. If you don't want to go searching through the image pages to find them, the filenames are barc1.jpg, barc2.jpg, barc-chris1.jpg, barc-chris2.jpg, barc-chris3.jpg, barc-chris4.jpg, barc-kim.jpg, barc-susan.jpg, and barc-map.jpg. I'll stick the photo of Vikki and Kim together on her member directory profile tomorrow. Last but not least in the images department is a photo of Chris at age 5 from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Museum that Vikki took. It's 1969.jpg if you're interested. In other news, full-length video clips of "Pretty Noose" and "Burden In My Hand" from Saturday Night Live are in the house and ready to go, courtesy of Geoff; I just haven't had a chance to update the video clip page yet, but I'll get to it tomorrow. Also, those of you who were waiting with baited breath for the October 4th debut of the FAQ, you'll have to wait a bit longer. I've assigned a team of monkeys to work on it 'round the clock, so hopefully it'll be ready to go early next week. :) seth ------------------------------ From: Candy Haun Subject: Strained peas and related subjects First of all I want to say that I was not offended by what BdMtrFngr said. It is true that the average 40-something does not listen to SG, Nirvana, or AIC and I understand that the point was not really age, but ignorance of a particular type of music. But since I am one of the list members that fit into the 40 plus category, I guess I will put in my bit about the age thing anyway. A few years ago, before the Seattle bands made it big, I played LTL for the 14 year old son of one of our friends. Because he was really into music and liked a lot of hard rock bands, I thought he might like Soundgarden. I told him that I really like this band which probably turned him off to them right away since I am easily old enough to be his mother and what the hell would I know about good music?! Anyway, after listening to only a few seconds of Loud Love, he pronounces with a smug little laugh, I think Ill stick to Guns n Roses. Well, what kind of music do you think he listens to NOW? You guessed it--SG, Nirvana, AIC, etc. and of course he loathes GNR! My point, if I have one, is that being closed-minded has nothing to do with your age. Yes, I lot of people in my age group consider SGs brand of music just so much noise. But I find that many young people are just as narrow-minded. Unfortunately, a lot of folks believe that the only good music is what THEY like and the rest is crap. I can understand this tendency, but I try really hard not to be that way because I know how annoying it is for someone to stand there and make ugly faces while you are listening to a song that you think is fantastic. Wouldnt the world would be a better place if we all tried to be a little more broad-minded? Candy PS: Toni, save some of those strained peas for me!! ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Re: Overplaying Soundgarden To all you people who complained about the 'wrong' type of radio station overplaying SG...Try living in Oasisland and you would be grateful that your radio stations overplayed BUTOW or anything by Soundgarden! We had one measly national rock show on Radio One and they've axed that; we had Noisy Mothers on TV - now that's gone. Luckily (!?) I have MTV so I can at least check out Headbanger's Ball. BTW, if anyone in the UK or anywhere in Europe has MTV and a teletext television, could they please look up MTV pages 281 and 289 and tell me (and the rest of us Euro-sommsters) if Soundgarden are scheduled for HB Ball in the next few weeks. Some time back they asked for people to send in questions for the band. My tv is being repaired, or I would look this up myself. Cheers. Deb ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Flaming June Re: The 1987 SG calendar.. yes!yes! June is RED HOT! Probably why CC is sooooo sweaty! It's always April in *my* house although I'm looking forward eagerly to December(if you've got the '86 calendar you'll know why!) But I wonder why March 1986 pic has turned up again as July 1987? Chris wrapped in tape is pretty exciting, but there are plenty of new pix they could have chosen for this year. Overall, I was a little disappointed. To whoever was interested in acquiring a copy, if you can't find the calendar in the US (or you are not from there) Oliver Books' fax number in the UK is 0181 879 0792. Deb ------------------------------ From: "stella" Subject: Re: Flaming June I just tried to order one from cdnow (http://www.cdnow.com). It is an import from the UK so I don't know if I'll be able to get it. It cost around $15 from what I remember, including the shipping and handling and tax. > Is there any other way we can find out how to get this calander even if > we don't have access to a fax machine???? > > Lauren > - --- srogers@fix.net http://www.fix.net/~srogers http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1534 "Not only is life a bitch, but its always having puppies" ------------------------------ From: Luck's Last Match Subject: overplayer, pop crap, y otras cosas First of all, bhs was overplayed, but i still turn the tv up to full volume if the video ever comes on....i also don't skip it when i listen to SU.. Now, butow, i loved that song ever since i heard a clip of it on the 1-800 number thingy. And BIMH, well, i used to not like it because i knew it would get overplayed, but now i don't care and i love the song anyway. It just sticks in your head. So i think i have to agree with the guy who says to forget the radio stations ("turn on the radio, nah, f#*k it, turn it off") because in this day of sucky music and over repetition, you can't let some boss dictated playlist choose your music for you. Be aggressive. Choose your own music. Second of all, there is a lot of poppy crap today compared to 2 or 3 years ago when at least half of everything was nice and HEAVY. Why could this be? Let's see, i'll wager that it's because radio stations are trying to get themselves played in certain places of business (including retail stores, grocery stores, etc.) and they intentionally keep the playlists soft to be "right" for the environment they are trying to be played in. Think of how many more listeners radio stations recieve if they are broadcast to all the people who entert a business.... Ok, on to otras cosas. I saw the HYPE soundtrack yesterday, but it was kinda expensive, so i didn't bother. Somebody tell me if it's worth $15. Also, i noticed there was a song by the U-Men. The other other place i've seen a U-Men song was on Deep Six, and i love that song. What i want to know is if anyone knows where i can find more U-Men music. I checked both the local record stores yesterday and found nada. So ayuda is very much appreciated. Gracias. laters. -j "I thought she looked pretty, but who could tell, with all that hair in her face" -John Gillespie. ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: Hype! This soundtrack definitely does sound like a *keeper*. Does anyone know if this movie is going to be playing in Dallas anytime soon? Thanks. Vincent P.S. - This is offtopic but...does anyone know of a really good and informative Pearl Jam webpage and Screaming Tree webpage? There are about a million PJ sites out here but if someone could point to the best (in their opinion) I would appreciate it....I couldn't even find one Screaming Trees website. Anyway, thanks a lot. ------------------------------ From: Danny Van Britsom Subject: Hi from Belgium Hi there, A small note from a new member on the list, from Belgium (are there any other Belgians on the list ?). Soundgarden will do a gig next Thursday in Brussels, Belgium. I'll let you guys know how they were, allright. Cheers, Dan ------------------------------ From: feelium Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, BdMtrFngr wrote: > Go on the street and go up to a old guy, you know a guy in his forties or > something(my apologies to anyone on the list who is 40 or older), and play > a tape of AIC and of Nirvana. To this guy, they are the same band. Then > show the guy a picture of both bands and he will say they look grungy. > Thank you Oh and that's it? So Grunge is exists because of some mystical fourty year old guy? If that is all there is to it, then it makes the possible existence of this musical form seem even less valid. - -me ------------------------------ From: feelium Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Joe Cennamo wrote: > They don't have any simitarities that no other bands have. They have a > similar ound in ways though. Mainly, no sappy love longs. Lots of Death Metal and extreme Punk bands don't do "sappy love songs", so are they Grunge as well? - -me ------------------------------ From: feelium Subject: Re: In defense of "grunge" On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, chris wrote: > I'm not usually one to defend the use of meaningless labels - my armchair > crusade against the FDA notwithstanding :) - but try this on for size: > > "Hairy Eyeball's" argument about the lack of musical similarity between the > bands typically called "grunge" was real passionate and made good sense. > > I've always thought of the term "grunge" as being used to describe an > attitude as opposed to a particular musical style. The "grunge" attitude > is the whole "I'm wearing what I want, personal hygiene isn't real high on > my list, fuck it all, my art is what's important to me, I'll do whom and > what I want and when I want and the opinion of the rest of the world ain't > all that important" kind of thing. What's valued is the quality of the > music (and quality referring to emotional content and expression rather > than technically perfect playing or stunning production values). And what > isn't valued is the show biz that goes along with it. > > That's why PJ stopped doing videos and Chris cut his hair, etc, etc... > because they were afraid that the music was being forgotten or > overshadowed. Granted I don't live inside their heads so I don't know if > the motives were that pure but in my heart of hearts I hope that's the > case. > > Definitely all the "grunge" bands possess - or at least are sold as > possessing - the above-mentioned attitude. Alice, Soundgarden, Nirvana, > PJ, Tad, Mudhoney, even Stone Temple Pilots to an extent. That they all > (except STP) come from Seattle is incidental. > > In fact, the press started referring to Neil Young as "the godfather of > grunge" not long ago. Not because his music necessarily sounds like any of > the "grunge" bands (forget Mirror Ball for a minute), but because he's had > the fuck it all, anti-corporate attitude forever. He's never (publicly) > given a damn what the critics have to say, he's never gone out of his way > to look pretty for the press, he doesn't often give interviews and when he > does he keeps his music the topic. > > So to me, to say a band is "grunge" means they don't go for all the > bullshit. Which is not such a bad thing at all. > > Sure the term got misapplied and overapplied (though not as badly as the > word "punk" or for that matter "alternative") and, like any term that > groups people together, became reductive and meaningless, so thank god it's > going away. But what it originally meant was actually a good and noble > thing. > Thank you very much for writing such an intelligent and well-written response on the whol Grunge thing. Out of everybody whose contributed to this thread, your words have been the only ones that have made any real sense. So far we've had "Grunge exists because some mystical fourty year old says so (or probably would say so, which is even worse)", we've had "Grunge exists because Soundgarden joined a major label before Nirvana" ; arguments and theories that have no real logical connection or root so it makes a change to read something that actually makes sense. Also, I agree with everything you've said about the attitdue being the determinant of so-called "Grunge", but wasn't this also the same attitude that determined "Punk" (in its true sense, not the diluted, repackaged trendy crap around these days) - as in no bullshit image, the music being the only thing that spoke? By that I'm not saying that all these Seattle bands are in fact Punk (although a lot of them were influenced by it ie Sonic Youth, Mudhoney and Nirvana to name but three), but when you look at it like that, it doesn't say much for the validity (or reliability) of labels, but what you say, however does have some relevance. Perhaps Grunge did exist, but it was an attitude rather than a style of music. I prefer not to use the label myself, whatever the theory - it's too stigmatised, and to my mind, "Grunge" will always be just another stupid tag-name given to a bunch of bands by the ignorant music press. The only real "Grugne" bands are the ones that invented the music by *trying* to copy all the Seattle bands by taking all their individual sounds and combining them to make their own. Plagarist bands like "Bush" or "Stone Temple Pilots". I know there are fans of these bands on this list and I do apologise if I have offended anybody, but that's just the way I see these bands. They have provided nothing worthwhile to the music world, they've just ripped other people off, trying to cash in on a popular trend at the time. Anyway, I'm going to stop now, 'cos I want to get on with reading the rest of my mail messages!! Again, thank you Chris for writing such a clear, valid and intelligent argument. - -me ------------------------------ From: feelium Subject: Re: BUTOW Overplayage now... On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Monnica Lewis wrote: > Lastly, Halloween's around the corner. Anyone have plans to dress up like > their favorite SG member? No. I plan to dress up as a girl for no particular reason. :> > > ok I'll shut up now. Monnica :-) OK, then. Being slightly humourous, - -me ------------------------------ From: feelium Subject: Re: this whole grunge thing... On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, GRRL NIKI FREER wrote: > guys, come on now. this entire discussion about whether SG or any > other band is grunge or not is silly and taking up a lot of space. if > you want to argue amongst yrselves about it, go ahead, but keep it > off the list. it's really irratating to have to go through a million > notes of which half are the same two people arguing. so, could ya > take it to private e-mail or stop? please? Anything for you, baby!! :) - -me ------------------------------ From: feelium Subject: Re: arguing about a label On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, BdMtrFngr wrote: > I am sorry for offending people, but my point was not really an age thing. > What i really meant was that to an ordinary, average person who is not > into metal or rock or alternative, Nirvana, AIC and soundgarden sound > similar. Just like if you played me different types of rap or R&B. That > just sounds like shit to me, but to the trained ear it is music > Thank you But that doesn't mean that because the untrianed ear cannot percieve any differences that there aren't any. To an untrianed ear, Nirvana probably sound the same as Napalm Death (exaggerated example), but it doesn't mean they're the same kinda thing. Anway, I said I wasn't going to write any more on this thread, so I better stop. - -me ------------------------------ From: feelium Subject: Re: Just wondering about grunge On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Paul Faraguna wrote: > Not to mention that many of them by their own words, trace > their origins to the two original Seattle "grunge" bands--Green River > and Malfunkshon. But if we're going to do that, one could trace the back to the root of those two bands and from that trace back even further ad infinitum until the definitive root is reached whereupon the so-called "Grunge" bands could be labelled in terms of that root. Did that makes sense? Thought not. Oh well... - -me ------------------------------ From: Paul_Faraguna@dbna.com (Paul Faraguna) Subject: Soundgarden in N.Y.C. Hello out there, On Nov. 17 I'll be at the SG show at Roseland in NYC. If any other SOMMsters are going to be there maybe we can hook up. Also, we were considering trying to scalp tiks for Sat. night's show. What do you think are the chances for success? See ya there. Paul "Dyin' ain't much of a livin', boy" --Josey Wales ------------------------------ From: feelium Subject: Re: Strained peas and related subjects On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Candy Haun wrote: > A few years ago, before the Seattle bands made it big, I played LTL for > the 14 year old son of one of our friends. Because he was really into > music and liked a lot of hard rock bands, I thought he might like > Soundgarden. I told him that I really like this band which probably > turned him off to them right away since I am easily old enough to be his > mother and what the hell would I know about good music?! Anyway, after > listening to only a few seconds of Loud Love, he pronounces with a smug > little laugh, I think Ill stick to Guns n Roses. Well, what kind of > music do you think he listens to NOW? You guessed it--SG, Nirvana, AIC, > etc. and of course he loathes GNR! Yeh. That just shows how people jump onto bandwagons and how young and impressionable kids like the one you described are such perfect fodder for MTV-control and motivation. I bet he's into Green Day as well!! > > My point, if I have one, is that being closed-minded has nothing to do > with your age. Yes, I lot of people in my age group consider SGs brand > of music just so much noise. But I find that many young people are just > as narrow-minded. Unfortunately, a lot of folks believe that the only > good music is what THEY like and the rest is crap. I know enough people like that. A lot of them are into Metal as well as consider anything that deosn't have a powerchord or a hateful lyric in it to be crap as well. Being into many forms of music (including Metal), I can't understand how anybody can be so closed-minded and not see it. >Wouldnt the > world would be a better place if we all tried to be a little more > broad-minded? A lot better. > PS: Toni, save some of those strained peas for me!! And me. I don't eat peas, but there's the novelty factor involved here!! :) - -me ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: SG Moments into a question... AHHHHH!!!! I just finished listening to Screaming Life... minus the Fopp remix... and I came to wonder... having Listened to 'Nothing to Say'... Right from the start... from the 3 prevailing "OOOHHs!" to the almost maniacal "Nothing!" that succedes the second verse... Have you ever heard a singer be that out of hand??? it's great... that is the spirit of Soundgarden... A couple of other "SG Moments"... !) when Kim lets loose at the begining of HandOfGod. 2) the third verse of JCP when cornell's voice is "Effected" 3) in overfloater, 2nd verse, prechorus when cornell screams 'wanna make it right...' into Kim's solo... 4) In Like Sucide, when cornell screams into Kim's solo... 5) the first verse of Room A thousand years wide's, "HEEEYYYY!!!" 6) the "whoa" at the very beginning of Full on Kevin's Mom... 7) and the "yeahh!!" at the end of Wooden jesus 8) and the bigger "YEAHHHH!!!" at the end of Pretty Noose... That is what SG is to me... those moments when you can stand up and scream... those moments probably share the same amount of adrenaline as it takes to charge a bunker in Vietnam... thank god, my generation has yet to experience a real ground war... but if I was on the battle lines... I'd have a walkman playing Birth Ritual... Later, taylor ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: Why? I was just pondering a thought... I can see why I like SG in many ways... but then my girlfriend complains when I play it constantly... she's likes SG sometimes, but is really into the sarah mclachlan/Sundays genre... although I like the Sunday's, I know it's really not like me... What I am wondering is as follows: Do men and women like SG for the same reasons?, I would originally give an opinion of "NO" to this question...but I know only a fraction of the intricate complexities of the female... and dare I say i will ever understand them? AAARGHHH!! Damn Pretty Nooses (or Neece? :)) Comments? ------------------------------ From: Taylor Holmes Subject: Re: Images and other Web stuff (fwd) I deleted your mail where you accused some men on this list who "wanted to tell women how to act". That comment just seemed to jump out of the blue to me... Then, directly succeeding your rant on racism, you perpetuated sexism with this comment...It just makes me wonder why, with all your seemmingly open mindedness, you so quickly take a couple of comments and derive some anti-caryn complex from the males of this list..... If there is any proof of this anti-carynism, then I will apologize... My, you must be a bitter person.... Later, taylor ------------------------------ From: BdMtrFngr Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge Some of you guys take stupid analogies a bit too seriously. On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, feelium wrote: > On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, BdMtrFngr wrote: > > > Go on the street and go up to a old guy, you know a guy in his forties or > > something(my apologies to anyone on the list who is 40 or older), and play > > a tape of AIC and of Nirvana. To this guy, they are the same band. Then > > show the guy a picture of both bands and he will say they look grungy. > > Thank you > > > Oh and that's it? So Grunge is exists because of some mystical fourty > year old guy? If that is all there is to it, then it makes the possible > existence of this musical form seem even less valid. > > -me > ------------------------------ From: "Michael Kruse" Subject: mlb MUDHONEY=GRUNGE BY THE WAY ...MOTHER LOVE BONE IS THE BEST.... A GOOD NIGHT....THE BEST IN A LONG TIME A NEW FRIEND INTRODUCED ME TO AN OLD FAVORITE NOTHING BETTER..THAN A DEALER WHOS HIGH ------------------------------ From: Lauren Simonis Subject: Re: Flaming June Is there any other way we can find out how to get this calander even if we don't have access to a fax machine???? Lauren On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Deborah Baker wrote: > Re: The 1987 SG calendar.. yes!yes! June is RED HOT! Probably why CC is > sooooo sweaty! > > It's always April in *my* house although I'm looking forward eagerly to > December(if you've got the '86 calendar you'll know why!) > > But I wonder why March 1986 pic has turned up again as July 1987? Chris > wrapped in tape is pretty exciting, but there are plenty of new pix they > could have chosen for this year. > Overall, I was a little disappointed. > > To whoever was interested in acquiring a copy, if you can't find the > calendar in the US (or you are not from there) Oliver Books' fax number in > the UK is 0181 879 0792. > > Deb > > ------------------------------ From: Joe Cennamo Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge > Lots of Death Metal and extreme Punk bands don't do "sappy love songs", > so are they Grunge as well? > > -me No, but they music is orinated around a higher being, If soundgarden thrashed and wrote about that higher being then they would be daeth metal. joec ------------------------------ From: Outshined Subject: Chicago... >> From: Lauren Simonis >> Subject: Chicgo shows >> I'm recently new to this, and I was just wondering >> if any of you wonderful people will be attending >> the Nov. 10th Chicago show? Sure am! I don't remember what the last count was, but there are a pretty decent number of listers going to one show or the other (or both)... SOMMS-Fest '96 : Chicago... I fear for the non-list fans in attendance, 'cuz if you're not with us, you're against us!! It could be chaos!! :) Kevin (Outshined) - - - - - - - ------ --- ------------ "Oh, everything's too damned expensive these days. This Bible costs 15 bucks! And talk about a preachy book! Everybody's a sinner, except for THIS guy!" - Homer Simpson - ------------ --- ------ - - - - - - ------------------------------ From: Outshined Subject: little SG experience... just a happening from last night... some of my friends and I went to see a stand-up comedian (whose name escapes me right now...) on campus... at about the middle of her routine she brings up music... she mentions Alanis, which earned a collective groan from the crowd... :) then she says, "what kind of stuff do you guys listen to? any Soundgarden?" I was thrilled that she mentioned SG, so I (of course) started to applaud... and then got to listen to my echo... out of a pretty sizable crowd, I was the ONLY one that was really clapping, but I didn't care... there was some polite applause from about one or two other people... Then she made a quick comment about how SG was her favorite band... she was pretty funny, but that comment just made the show... Kevin (Outshined) - - - - - - - ------ --- ------------ "Oh, everything's too damned expensive these days. This Bible costs 15 bucks! And talk about a preachy book! Everybody's a sinner, except for THIS guy!" - Homer Simpson - ------------ --- ------ - - - - - - ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Sassy man Hey sommsters, My friend just sent me this pic of Chris that was in Sassy! He was one of the sexiest frontmen in the mag poll. It's a good pic too. Well, let me get my points across. Has anyone been successful in getting backsatge passes? there was some system I heard of to get them, but it didn't work. I also need to know who's going to the Nov. 16th show in NYC. The original preety noose ------------------------------ Subject: Have a second helping Chris...please!! From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On Oct 04, 1996 08:36:24, 'Candy Haun ' wrote: >: Toni, save some of those strained peas for me!! I'll make my special recipe for chitown sommsfest96. We'll need our energy from greens to knock all those young whippersnappers out of the way in front of the stage. When Matt, Kim, Chris and Ben come over for lunch in November I think I'll do my favorite creamed spinach. Special menu for special people. And Lord knows Chris could use a little extra fat in his diet........that man is looking way tooooooo thin! Thanks for the pictures Vikki.........when is the full story coming?????? toni ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: philadelphia show ARGH!! mothers can play the MEANEST jokes on their children!! today i sent my mom out to get me my tickets for the Nov 21 show at the Electric factory in philly, and freaked out on any listening ears all day long. so, i get home and my mom is standing at her car. so i look at her and she makes this face and goes "i was there TWO hours and i was the first person in line, and as soon as i got upstairs and they opened the terminal, the concert was sold out." okay, so now i'm a combination of pissed totally and completely upset and sad. so i go into the house, ignoring a sign on the door that said something about "did i get them or didn't i? check the john" cause i figured she'd done that before she left. so i go in my room and rip down the little sign i had made in my excitement last month and then in curiousity go look at that sign on the door again. so i check the bathroom and there's another sign "well you don't really think i'm gonna make this easy do you? try the television." so i think "what?" and go up and check the TV and guess what? another sign: "OK- not here either- are you in a tizzy yet...no? well, try my dresser." so i go in my parents room and search for the tickets or a sign or something and it's on the mirror and this one says: "Now why would i put the tickets here? let me see now-- let's try the microwave." ARGH! now i'm a combination of "she'd really better now be fucking with me" and totally excited. so i get to the microwave and open it and yet again i find a sign: "Come on niki- do you think i would leave them here? suppose we had a freak electrical storm and the oven accidentally nuked yr tickets. so now try the one place in the house _other_ _than_yr_room_ that you spend so much time in! ask the mouse!" so now i'm totally spazzing out and i run into my computer room and i pick up the mouse pad and lo and behold there is a little white envelope with advertisements on it and i open it up just to check and make sure i'm not hallucinating and oh my god!!!! there's 4 tickets for soundgarden inside!!!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! i didn't know how to react so i ran to the door and yelled "that's SO MEAN! you don't play tricks on people like that!!" and then proceed to scream and jump around in a circle like a raving lunatic. woo hoo! i'm going to see my first SG concert on November 21, 1996!!!!! WOO HOO!!! why am i raving about this to you guys? well,cause my friends are totally tired of hearing about it and do nothing but roll their eyes anymore. you guys...well you guys know what it's like to be obsessed! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) I'M GOING TO SEE SG IN PHILLY ON NOV 21!!!! yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! mind riot! ____ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i'm tied within i'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: chicago who's got the latest list attendance roster? liza? i'm now NOT going to the bridge school shows (long story... VERY long story)... so right now it's looking like it's really going to happen that i'll be there (excuse bad grammar please). maybe i need to schedule a business trip to chicago! yeah, that's it! ;-) i managed to get to see both pearl jam shows in nyc this way... vikki,where IS that six page tour diary??? inquiring minds want to know... and that one picture of chris looking surprised is just PRICELESS... - --caryn ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Have a second helping Chris...please!! From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > I'll make my special recipe for chitown sommsfest96. We'll need >our energy from greens to knock all those young whippersnappers out of the >way in front of the stage. When Matt, Kim, Chris and Ben come over for >lunch in November I think I'll do my favorite creamed spinach. Special >menu for special people. And Lord knows Chris could use a little extra fat >in his diet........that man is looking way tooooooo thin! >Thanks for the pictures Vikki.........when is the full story coming?????? >toni Creamed spinach sounds nice, but from the looks of Chris in Vikkie's pictures I would say he needs more than that. Man looks really bad.. How about a fresh salad with blue cheese dressing to begin with, then a main course of Southern Fried Chicken, a baked potatoes, Toni's creamed spinach all washed down with a tall cool glass of beer. And don't forget the hot apple pie with a slice of cheese on top (Apple pie with out cheese is like a hug without a squeeze)!!! Hey MS. Silver your man needs some attentions, if you don't want the job I think there are more than a few on this list that will treat him fine.. :-) Must say Kim looked good.. Thanks for the pictures Vikkie can't wait for the story please soon!!! Jamie (Village Idiot - 76 days and counting) ------------------------------ From: Eliza J Polly Subject: Re: Chicago... actually, we have been holding steady at about 18 people (we are still the largest SOMMS Fest of this tour yet, tho Seattle may grow and grow...) - --eliza On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Outshined wrote: > > >> From: Laure Simonis > >> Subject: Chicgo shows > > >> I'm recently new to this, and I was just wondering > >> if any of you wonderful people will be attending > >> the Nov. 10th Chicago show? > > Sure am! I don't remember what the last count > was, but there are a pretty decent number of listers > going to one show or the other (or both)... > > SOMMS-Fest '96 : Chicago... > I fear for the non-list fans in attendance, > 'cuz if you're not with us, you're against us!! > It could be chaos!! :) > > Kevin (Outshined) > > - - - - - - ------ --- ------------ > > "Oh, everything's too damned expensive these > days. This Bible costs 15 bucks! And talk > about a preachy book! Everybody's a sinner, > except for THIS guy!" > - Homer Simpson > > ------------ --- ------ - - - - - - > ------------------------------ From: dbradsh@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Have a second helping Chris...please!! well, since i will be at Tonis for the sommsfest 96 slumber party and because i am a baker and from the south...ill volunteer to handle all the southern fried cookin and all the apple pies...:)...but im not so sure im up for any creamed and/or strained anything...:)... DeeDee ******************************************************************************** Dee Dee Bradshaw-Autry "Be careful with me...I am fragile. Im a bitch babe...and Im on fire" Garbage http://www.infochase.com/ent/deedee/index.html "The shortest distance between two points may be a straight line, but the longest distance between them is `life'." SubG "Sleep tight for me...I'm gone..." Sound Garden ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: overfloater@thenexus.com Subject: !!!!!!!!!! They have DOTU transcribed for guitar.. which is probably common knowledge for most of you.. but I have just found that they have it for BASS!!!! OH HAPPY DAY!!! BASS BASS BASS!!! (being a bass player, this is very exciting for me) :> :> :> ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: STuFF =) Deb wrote... (Not DEB Deb... the OTHER Deb) ;-) >Re: The 1987 SG calendar.. yes!yes! June is RED HOT! Probably >why CC is sooooo sweaty! Heheheh... 1987? Umm... if it were a 1987 calendar, I'd be 12 years old right now, and I probably wouldn't be very interested in Chris' sexy body. I'd be more like "Doesn't he have dreamy eyes? Look at how pretty his hair is! "... instead of "Does anyone have any pictures of this man naked and painted in whipped cream?" Heheheh... Jamie the village darling wrote: >Hey MS. Silver your man needs some attentions, if you don't want >the job I think there are more than a few on this list that will treat >him fine.. :-) AAAAAAUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!! ME ME ME ME ME!!!!! I'm the hootchie for the job, dammit!! I've got TONS of attention to lavish on him. ;-) I promise... I'll take GREAT care of Chris. Heheheh... now where did I put that leather catsuit I bought for him last week... =) Y'know, I think my favorite song on DOTU right now is "Never the Machine Forever." Damn, but Kim writes some groovy lyrics!! My mostest favoritest line is: "Forever means all is not seen, never means forever brings everything..." I LOVE that line! And I adore the way the music just reaches out and GRABS you! It's like it rushes at you, wraps it's hands around your throat, and shakes you wildly while screaming into your face "LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEE!!!!" Heheheh... I really hope they do this song in concert. And one more thing... I don't remember if this has been discussed and dismissed ('cuz my short term memory was destroyed a few years back by some really good hydroponi... oh never mind)... but what in the hell is Chris doing during "Never Named" right after the second chorus? It sounds like he's whispering and smacking his lips or something. Someone please enlighten me, because it sounds verrrrrrrrry interesting. ;-) Heheheh... I know!! It's Chris sending me subliminal messages again!! Dammit, Chris. As if you really needed to go to extremes like that. You coulda just called me. Heheheh... PROZAC!!! GET THIS WOMAN SOME PROZAC!!! Shroom Red Haired Devil-Hootchie, Proud member of the Kim Thayil Mercenary Squad, and Seattle-bound-obsessed-SOMMS-psycho (See you in October Chris, Kim, Ben and Matt!!!) "Chris, I'd like for you to meet your new mistress, Shroom Girl. See, she won the lottery just before she left for her Seattle trip, and she's offered me $10 million dollars for your sexy body. This coincides perfectly with my plans to give up managing bands in favor of moving to Wisconsin and opening a dairy farm, so I've decided to accept her offer. Shroom, here's his hairspray and styling gel (he can't live without it anymore). Have a nice life, kiddies..." ~ Susan Silver (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: Images and other Web stuff (fwd) > On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, seth wrote: > > > As promised, I added the scans of the cover of the Hype! soundtrack > > and the photo of Kim in the liner notes to the Web page (that's > > www.sgi.net/soundgarden/images/hype1.jpg and hype2.jpg). I also added > > the cover of the Rockview interview CD that was mentioned here a few > > days ago and the photos from the liner notes (rv1.jpg, rv2.jpg, > > rv3.jpg, rv5.jpg, rv6.jpg). Dedicated pages with more detail on both > > CDs are forthcoming. > > yes, the 'rockview' cd that seth snatched out from under my very nose at > newbury comics earlier this week. ;-P (i did get the 7" of 'BiMH', so > THERE) > > > The real gems in tonight's additions are a whole bunch of photos that > > Vikki took of Soundgarden in Barcelona. Some *great* pictures of Chris > > and Kim signing autographs, a couple of excellent stage shots, Susan > > behind the soundboard, and some miscellany. If you don't want to go > > searching through the image pages to find them, the filenames are > > barc1.jpg, barc2.jpg, barc-chris1.jpg, barc-chris2.jpg, > > barc-chris3.jpg, barc-chris4.jpg, barc-kim.jpg, barc-susan.jpg, and > > barc-map.jpg. I'll stick the photo of Vikki and Kim together on her > > member directory profile tomorrow. > > VIKKI!!! totally AWESOME photos!!! you are a LUNATIC!!! ;-) > > thanks to both vikki and seth for this stuff. vikki for taking the pix > and getting them scanned and to seth, seth for getting all this stuff up > for us to see. ;-) > > --caryn > ------------------------------ From: "Jamie C." Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 4 Oct 1996 "Greg Dunbar" wrote: "This isn't an intended 'slag-off' or 'flame' or whatever you call it, but I've been noticing people saying things like, "Oh I don't like Black Hole Sun anymore because it get's overplayed", and "I really like Burden In My Hand now, it's going to be bad when the radio starts playing it a lot because I'll end up getting sick of it", and more recently "Blow Up The Outside World is getting so overplayed". What the hell is the matter with ya! Don't listen to shit radio stations or don't listen to the radio full stop. If I listened to the radio all the time with the bullshit radio stations we have I'd go insane, so I listen to CD's or tapes and listen to what I want whenever the hell I feel like it." i Gotta agree with this.......radio sucks. we let dj's and the almighty(?) vj's control our lives. you wanna hear the good shit? listen to your own albums.... all the radio does is try to tell us what is "hip", when in fact all the play is the Cranberries and Primitive Radio Gods...... Video killed the radio star who killed music +jamie c.+ ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: STuFF =) On Fri, 4 Oct 1996 ShRooMGrLz@aol.com wrote: > Heheheh... 1987? Umm... if it were a 1987 calendar, I'd be 12 years > old right now, and I probably wouldn't be very interested in Chris' sexy > body. I'd be more like "Doesn't he have dreamy eyes? Look at how pretty his > hair is! "... instead of "Does anyone have any pictures of this man > naked and painted in whipped cream?" Heheheh... no, *chocolate syrup*. ;-P > Jamie the village darling wrote: > >Hey MS. Silver your man needs some attentions, if you don't want > >the job I think there are more than a few on this list that will treat > >him fine.. :-) > > AAAAAAUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!! > > ME ME ME ME ME!!!!! I'm the hootchie for the job, dammit!! I've got TONS of > attention to lavish on him. ;-) I promise... I'll take GREAT care of Chris. > Heheheh... now where did I put that leather catsuit I bought for him last > week... =) for you to wear or for him to wear, shroom?? inquiring minds want to know... is that what you're bringing to seattle to wear to the hater show??? - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: somms 'no code' poll okay, for those of you who own 'no code', (and ESPECIALLY those of you who own the LP), let's take a poll here: in the booklet/inside photos, there's a closeup picture of eddie sitting down against a wall, talking with a dark haired individual (who is out of focus and blurry). my first thought was: dave grohl, taken during the SPR session. my second thought (and chris' thought too): matt cameron. could *also* have been taken during SPR. if you don't know what i'm talking about, or don't have the album, delete this. if you do, lemme know what you think. ;-) - --caryn (hey, seth, did ya buy it yet??) ------------------------------ From: "Polly, Eliza" Subject: re: chicago > who's got the latest list attendance roster? liza? yup, that would be me......we currently stand at a whopping 18 Sommsters going!! (is vikki confirmed?) - definitely the largest SOMMSFest of this tour (tho Seattle may grow and grow...) I can't believe how close it is getting - need to make plans! -eliza, ready to hit the road I walk these streets alone, shadows hide my face My sins are etched in stone, never to erase My fears unshakeable, if I could believe I'd trade these wings of gold, for what I really need -CC ------------------------------ From: Sachin Trivedi Subject: Re: somms 'no code' poll It looks like it could be Matt, but my bet is that it's probably the producer Brendan O'Brien. Later. sachin On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Caryn Rose wrote: > > okay, for those of you who own 'no code', (and ESPECIALLY those of you who > own the LP), let's take a poll here: > > in the booklet/inside photos, there's a closeup picture of eddie sitting > down against a wall, talking with a dark haired individual (who is out of > focus and blurry). my first thought was: dave grohl, taken during the SPR > session. > > my second thought (and chris' thought too): matt cameron. could *also* > have been taken during SPR. > > if you don't know what i'm talking about, or don't have the album, delete > this. if you do, lemme know what you think. ;-) > > --caryn > (hey, seth, did ya buy it yet??) > > ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: The FINAL word.... Fellow list members, This is your List Thug calling. IT'S TIME TO WAKE UP!!! Why is *grunge* still being talked about. Who cares what it's called. I don't care, and you shouldn't either. It could be called NeoPostSabbath for all intents and purposes, it really doesn't matter. So, if you still feel compelled to discuss this "Overblown" subject any further, get it the hell off the list, and keep it amongst yourselves. After Bonnie tried to feed me raw meat, I contracted Mad Cow Disease, and will go psycho if this grunge thing goes any farther. Oh, and by the way, if anyone knows of a good hotel in Chicago, let me know. The Chicago bound List Thug and KTMS founder, Aaron "Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see armageddon soon. I certainly hope we will. I sure could use a vacation from this Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of Freaks"-Tool, Fnema ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: Re: somms 'no code' poll On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Sachin Trivedi wrote: > It looks like it could be Matt, but my bet is that it's probably the > producer Brendan O'Brien. Later. > > sachin *bzzzzt* wrong! brendan o'brien has long blonde hair and is a BIG guy. (see the inner sleeve photo of 'vitalogy'.. i've seen him in person) next please? ;-) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Eliza J Polly Subject: RE: Have a second helping Chris...please!! >> but from the looks of Chris in Vikkie's pictures I would say he >> needs more than that. Man looks really bad.. I agree Jamie....i was kind of scared when i looked at them. great pics vik, and it is cool how close you got....but man he looks emaciated! i made myself look back at some pics from the '90-'91 era just to remember how he used to look..... >>(Village Idiot - 76 days and counting) 76 days Jamie??!?! please, no!! that would be torture!! i think we are at 36 now... - --eliza (the counting bitch ;-) ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: Re: somms 'no code' poll >in the booklet/inside photos, there's a closeup picture of eddie sitting >down against a wall, talking with a dark haired individual (who is out of >focus and blurry). my first thought was: dave grohl, taken during the SPR >session. >my second thought (and chris' thought too): matt cameron. could *also* >have been taken during SPR. I think it looks like Matt... Those LooK like his cheekbones.. (Now, how stupid did that sound?) Erin ------------------------------ From: michele@waterw.com Subject: Electric Factory Tickets Sold out Hi fellow sommsters people, I was one of those people who showed up late n didn't get tickets. The lady in front of me said she reserved hers. Well, if anybody happend to get an extra ticket that they don't need please I beg of you please. Email me I will be happy to reemborse you. Or else I guess I will have stand out side n cry. sniff. This is always how it goes now if Soundgarden weren't so popular n everybody didn't advertise this I would have a ticket right now but people can't keep this a secert. Gee I have to start liking unpopular bands. Hmmmmmmm maybe I'll go get something done with my HAIR. That's it everybody who can't get tickets go get a Hair weave or a perm or something. My pathetic way of protesting. I am Just a babbling fool, Michele ------------------------------ From: COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu Subject: RE: hater and Ben Shepherd dumo13@erols.com wrote: <<1) I went to order the Hater CD and the wench at Waxie Maxies took my order... she just called a week later to tell me that it's out of print and they can't order it. Is this true? If so, where can I get one?>> I don't know anything about Waxie Maxies, but I just got a call that my special order of Hater came in today. I ordered if from Rainy Day Records in Olympia, I think just last week. So I was pleasantly surprised it was here already. So, it doesn't appear to be totally out of print, just wherever that store gets their music from maybe?? I don't know how it works. I'd suggest calling other music stores in your area. Bonnie ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Have a second helping Chris...please!! From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > >>(Village Idiot - 76 days and counting) > > 76 days Jamie??!?! please, no!! that would be torture!! i think we are at 36 now... > > --eliza Yes, there are only 36 days until Chicago SOMMsfest 96', but that's not the days I'm counting.. :-) Jamie (Village Idiot waiting for a special gift from Santa this year) ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: somms 'no code' poll (and more STuFF) >my second thought (and chris' thought too): matt cameron. >could *also* have been taken during SPR. Ha!! I thought that when I first got it, too! But then I started drooling over the little picture of Stoney on the other side, so I forgot about it. If it's NOT Matt... then we've got a Matt lookalike running around in Seattle somewhere. Heheheh... It's true, that person DOES have the same facial structure as Mattster. The cheeks, nose, and lips all look the same. The hair is the only part that throws it off. Matt usually doesn't let his hair get that long. BUT WAIT A MINUTE!!! If that's really Matt... WHERE'S his sideburns?!? Heheheh... okokok... I'll admit it... I have no fucking idea if it's Matt. But it darned sure looks like him. Back to "Never the Machine Forever." I was only halfway listening to it this afternoon while I was working, and I misheard the lyrics. Tell me if I'm wrong about this, but when Chris sings "Mecurial mind the fire..." if you didn't KNOW what he was singing... wouldn't it sound like "Kill your mother and father..." For a minute, that's what I THOUGHT Chris sang!! It really freaked me out, and I had to go back and listen to it a couple of times just to make sure that I was just hearing wrong. "Kill your mother and father." Hmmm... it's the drugs, I swear it. Listen to the damned song!! It sounds like Chris is telling you to kill your parents!! AAAUUUGGHHH!!! WRONG KIND OF SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES, BABE!! I'm fine... really. One last thing... I heard from Vikki yesterday, and she told me that Inflatable Soule will be playing in Tacoma on the night of Friday, October 25th. In case some of you have forgotten, that's when us Sommsters in Seattle are supposed to meet at the OK Hotel. BUT I'd REALLY like to see IS, too. I haven't even heard their music yet, and everyone keeps raving about them. So I propose that we meet early at the OK, and then take the 'party' out to the IS show. =) We need to do some planning people!! Only 19 days until I leave for Seattle, and I'm damned anxious!! I'M ON MY WAY CHRIS!!! I'LL BE THERE SOON MATT!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! Damn, I'm smooth. ;-) Shroom "So Shroomy... that's a pretty groovy rental car you have there. Mind if I peruse the back seat? Oh wait, here's an idea... why don't you give me a... guided tour of it. That way I'll be sure too not miss any of the... good spots." ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ Subject: Blowin into the windy city From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) Hey Chitown sommsfest attendees. I have made some calls regarding hotels. And the range in price is varied. The best location for someone visiting is probably North Michigan Ave. Lots of hotels, resteraunts shops, bars (singles bars) But the prices are steep. There is nothing around the Aragon unless you fancy staying in a transient hotel! I need to know what you require in a hotel. I will have a list of hotels and prices tommorrow afternoon. If you need some info e-mail me privately and I will send it to you. Still in the process of finding a location for us all to meet. I also need to know what kind of time frame we are talking here. How early does everyone want to get down to the Aragon??? toni ------------------------------ From: jsk@tiac.net Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 3 Oct 1996 1. Favorite SG song lyrically The Day I Tried To Live 2. Favorite SG lyric(s) "I know I'm headed for the bottom...but i'm riding you all the way." 3. Favorite SG song musically(overall sound) Like Suicide 4. Favorite part of a SG song(favorite guitar/bass/drum/solo riff, vocal effects, etc.) DEFINITELY the part in "Outshined" when Chris sings "Ohhhhhhhhhh yeah...aaahhhhhOUTshined..." Mmmmmmm. My neighbors must hate those few seconds...i turn it WAY up. That whole "So now you know who gets mystified.." part too. 5. Favorite SG song Outshined 6. Instrument (if you play one...or you can just list your favorite one you'd like to learn to play/admire etc.) Vox, Guitar 7. Favorite all time lyric "...and I can hear your voice in every footstep's passing sigh I go crazy some nights watching heartbeats go by..." ---Rickie Lee Jones 8. Favorite all time song "Chloe Dancer/Crown of Thorns" ---Mother Love Bone (plus many others...that's an impossible question) 9. Favorite SG album It varies. I used to like SU best, when DOTU came out it was my favorite for a little while, but now I'm really getting into BMF a lot. I will fully admit that discussions on this list caused me to go back and appreciate it more. So I'm a bandwagon jumper, i Guess. It doesn't bother me.... 10. Favorite pizza topping Onions and green peppers 11. Favorite ice cream flavor Mango 12. Advice for compiling the responses to this thing:-) Uhhh...demographics software? Voila. - ---Jezebel ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: detroit? anyone going to the detroit show? my friend's step-dad works for ticketmaster, and we got FLOOR SEATS! is anyone else going to be at the palace? i'm not sure if it did or will sell out, the palace is a big place. i may or may not be able to get tickets for anyone interested, let me know and i will find out. FLOOR SEATS! ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 264] ****************************************